/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I can't ;_;

>>1809852
These objects make sense. Now make them accurate to hands. Good job, man, keep going.

>>1809867
>That hugbox mentality
>dat ass patting

Stop it.

>>1809852
Use a reference goddammit.

>finally satisfied with hands
>everything else sucks

damn it

>>1809908
What even is that?

>>1809922
i think its a ninja turtle carrying a body bag, i think?

>>1809852
Why does that hand second from the left have 6 fingers?

>>1809925

>>1809922
i dont even know i just let my hand run free

it was my ''morning startup'' sketch

i took a trip into tumblr and got into the crowd's way of drawing like a year back and now i'm here with this shit. I really need to just get back to the hardcore fuckin basics. i'm a little nervous posting here not gonna lie, but i'd really like to make up for lost time.

- - - Public Service Announcement - - -

Before you start, warm your arms and hands up with basic exercises

Take breaks often. Ideally every 30 minutes or every hour for 10 minutes. Walk around. Stretch your legs.

Getting carpal tunnel and heart disease is much worse than gitting gud a little bit slower .

>>1809942
Thank you anon

>>1809942
>Getting carpal tunnel and heart disease is much worse than gitting gud a little bit slower .
>implying
>mfw

>>1809946

what is wrong?

>>1809951
Inbreeding is bad mkay.

>>1809951
If it's not intended to depict a homo sapiens sapiens it might be p good

>>1809967

I was reading bram stoker's dracula and felt inspired . I might have over exaggerated the chin, nose and brow just a Little too much fuck ton.
I was using model David gandy for some reference

>>1809981
i like the doodle, just the anatomy is off is all. bought the old dracs just last week but haven't started it yet

Would you guys be interested in doing a study? (ex: I post a picture and we all try to draw it the best of our ability).

Here's the first picture. Going to try drawing this tomorrow.

Guy from the last thread, is this any better?
>>1803934

How do I draw an anus?

Does the perspective on this look ok?

>>1809942
Any good related exercises please?

Why did no one tell me painting was so much fun? Seriously, I missed out not leaving my comfort zone for so long.

Any glaring, fundamental problems with this? Otherwise I'll keep on experimenting with this medium.

>>1810107
fapping

>>1809852
read the sticky before posting here and please refrain from using emoticons

>"Allow yourself 30 minutes to complete this exercise"

stupid question, but does that mean i should take about 30 minutes to complete the exercise or the minimum time to work on the exercise is 30 min?

>>1810129
I think it's both, but you should try to reach the time because if you're under you are probably rushing it. Earlier doing a 30 minute exercise I spent 1.5 hours and it's no skin on my back.

>>1810129
would have to see the context first

>>1810095
your value range is off (maybe your screen sucks)
proportions are still off
but it is better

>>1810129
30 min to complete.

>>1810135
those exercise in RSOTB and KTD

What to fix

What exercises should I do to get better at perspective?

I feel like drawing architecture or mechs would be a good place to start.

I understand the techniques on how to build different shapes but I just don't know how to exercise them muscles.

>>1809939
I'm sorry for your loss

>>1810160
Don't follow any rules, just draw what looks right and always think about where in space the camera is.

>>1810150
proportions are off, eyes should be lower in the head and are to small + alot of other thing's wrong with proportion either read loomis or watch some proko videos if you're lazy to get an idea of basic proportion,

also dat chicken scratch and wire hair, i know hair is hard to draw and fix but you can easily fix that chicken scratch, it will make your drawings look 100x better

>>1809840
>draw picture
>wow this is my best attempt yet
>finish think its pretty good mabye im no longer a beginner
> fall a sleep wake up next day see drawing
>mistakes everywhere, everything is out of proportion,
>oh god why does feature x look so retarded . did a fucking child draw this? what the fuck was i even thinking
>repeat x100000

life is suffering

>>1810186
i know this exact feel except mine are worse

>>1810211
Stop drawing Anime.

Anyone feel like commenting on the shit I posted in the last thread? I can simply post new stuff I did today too. Probably will later. After dinner.

>>1810162
thanks anon.

Practising painting in general. Been a really long time since I've done any work, no confidence about it but crits welcome.

Where in the sticky should I start if I want to draw females?

>>1810220
Very nice, you should start learning about colours now.

Following, "Fun with a Pencil." I am truly a terrible, "artist." Going to keep practicing but I doubt I will make that much progress throughout this year.

>>1810109
It's really nice! It's really impressive for a first painting, especially if you didn't color pick.
My only suggestions would be to use some harder edges on the stem, as it's fuzzy right now, and shorten the shadow a bit because the light doesn't seem to be coming in from that angle.

Is a lot of life drawing really helpful when I just wanna do figure drawing?

>>1810258
Have you done keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain yet? You might find them more helpful to start

>>1810176
how fix chicken scratch

>>1810281

Not yet, which would yup suggest more?

>>1810284

Draw with a pen for a bit, focus on making clean lines. All you have to do is concentrate on not going over your lines multiple times, and making lines where you intend to make them.

>easier said than done.

>>1810292
Drawing on the Right Side of the brain I found had better exercises, but requires shit like a viewfinder etc.

Keys to drawing if you don't have those.

My 5th day in Photoshop along with my 5th day studying and practicing painting. I've been taking my time studying Sangrede's eye tutorial. It's not finished but I'm looking for critiques.

>>1810300
>*Sangrde on Deviantart

>>1810227
the beginning

>>1810217

>>1810315
these will be da vinci studies btw

>>1810316

>>1810317
Don't know if I'm getting anywhere with this. The important thing is to just draw, right?

>>1810319
http://www.drawingsofleonardo.org/
All my references. Kind of want to study something else.

>>1810100
Where is your horizon line?

>>1810323
I am actually pretty discouraged. I think I am too fixated on making an exact copy. But I know that's not what an artist should strive for. So I don't know what I'm really working for. I'd like for someone to offer some advice.

>>1810332
>I think I am too fixated on making an exact copy. But I know that's not what an artist should strive for.

If an artist wants to study some work then they're going to fucking strive for an exact copy. Or something close enough that they can learn from it. Just try your best m8

>>1810332
You got some nice lines

Go ahead and study something else if you want, what kind of stuff do you want to draw?

>>1810294
I love that aesthetic

why the fuck does this look so much better in person? is it my scanner?

does the cityscape look 'star warseque'?

i need some hints on rendering the city scape

>>1810332
if your really trying to make an exact exact copy. like with perfect photographic effects and noise and digital scarring then it's very artistic. if you're just being too lame to try and explorer and converse with the subject then that's a different matter.

>>1810353
because graphites a bit shiny it means scans always turn out lighter and patchy. you can get better results by messing with the scanner options.

>>1810353
because y ou have drawing dysmorphia. it looks better to your eye than when the colors are slightly changed in the scanning process and you get to see your real image, you then realize whats wrong and your mind was distoring before.

>>1810346
It doesn't matter. I think I am just trying to draw with the purest of intentions or something like that. Always criticizing myself every step along the way. Thanks >>1810336 >>1810354 I'll just keep drawing.

>>1810356
>>1810361
ah okay that makes a lot of sense. thanks.

anyone got another for my city scape questions?

This is a face i did today from imagination, i used a reference for the Rembrandt lighting. I would appreciate any critique. Thanks

The faces, they haunt me.

Also, trying to break my bad habit of using animu refs, went to /s instead... Such an embarrassing post today. I deserve every bit of shame and humiliation right now.

Drew some mech looking stuff as consolation. Made up the last pic (bottom right) - was kinda happy with it so I drew on some goggles so I wouldn't ruin it.

I had some more practices that were even worse - I'm saving you a lot of pain and suffering by not posting them.

>>1810448
Don't worry if they look bad or good, just keep drawing.

>>1810365
to me, it looks like a bunch of penis shaped syringes, they are too flat brah

>>1810449
I'm hoping my tenacity inspires others to draw, otherwise my frequent postings might as well be shit posts

>>1810457
You can't be in the beginner thread and not be tenacious

Not for long anyways

You worry too much, just keep drawing

>>1810332
Da Vinci?

nice idea, I pan on studying him too don't give up so easy pussy keep drawing you think Da Vinic got good over night? no he worked his ass of and didn't bitch

get to work

it's not even like you had a horrible start

>>1810258

Just finished hand exercise from Keys to Drawing, probably not gunna Loomis again till I finish this book, also thanks anon for suggesting this and Right side of the brain before Loomis. I am truly an absolute beginner, thankfully my job does not require me to be creative in an art sense in any way.

I am very much impressed by all the art that is in this beginner thread. I can only hope to be a beginner one day.

>>1810448
Love the mechs!

>>1810353
Nice Boba!!

>>1810220
If you're a beginner, I need a new title. Nice skull tree.

>>1810516
Good luck friend.

>>1810516
I'd suggest you'd try doing this exercise a few more times.

how do i keep my motivation up, ic?
getting a lot of practice isnt simple when im doing a computer science bachelors
wah tempting to drop out at some points

>>1810107

I use WorkRave and have it set to make me take a 10 minute break every 50 minutes. It makes you do a couple exercises that are meant to prevent RSI.

Before I start I go through these hand exercises from one of my brother's jiu jitsu mags. Before my wrist would start aching but since I started doing these the pain hasn't come back in a while.

Also I do a couple of these stretches during breaks
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/08/05/undo-the-damage-of-sitting/

>>1810107
http://www.eatonhand.com/hw/ctexercise.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

I'm getting really stumped with the whole "blind drawing" that came up in Keys, everytime I try it my lines go AWOL and doesn't even remotely find its supposed place.

Is it as important as the author make it to be? Should I continue practicing it?

>>1810643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

>>1810516
>>1810643

Hi beginner buddy. As you can see that hand drawing is mine and its pretty bad. And with that comes some pretty low motivation to continue...

However to keep up motivation, I usually take a break, or remind myself of my goal. Us humans are really shit at willpower and we have a really low reserve, what we're better at is distraction. So do an exercise or a few and take a break doing something more enjoyable and come back to drawing later. Besides we have a whole lifetime ahead of us so enjoy the drawing, you're not majoring in it anyways so focus more on that CS.

>>1810262
Thanks man, I will put your suggestions to good use next time I paint.

I didn't colour pick, but the colours are way off from what I saw, though.

I just wanna draw shit like this. Do I follow the sticky and books and draw stuff from life, or do I just keep drawing stuff?

>>1810471
s-stop yelling at me

>>1810677
Do both.

>>1810667
>>1810666
<3 you two are great

>>1810643
Don't be a faggot, finish your CS degree. Then you won't have to live with you parents like a fucking NEET.

CS degree is probably the easiest degree you can ever get with the highest return on investment, any idiot can write code and get paid for it. If you intend on living on your own one day a CS degree is about 100x more useful than an art degree (or no degree).

You have the rest of your life to be a d/ic/k.

>>1810677
Both.
The sticky helps with fundamentals like construction, layout, form, control, conceptualizing and so on. Just don't mindlessly copy the tutorials. You gotta know what you're doing and why. Far too often I see people copying loomis' sketchings line for line. You gotta make your own faces using what you learn you know?
You can't use formulas as a crutch for ignorance. You gotta know why the artist does what he does.

>>1810186
see
>>1810211

>>1810814
well, at least i've improved past this point

Any advice on this (as far as shapes go) i'll focus on learning more about shading and hair ect when i get my shapes down but did i fuck up heavily on anything here?

only thing i can notice really is that the inner eye shapes are slightly off place, nose tip is off a tiny bit (can't seem to fix), eyes are slightly off line but it fits the tilt of her head (the way i made it at least).

thanks in advance

>>1810855
shit, forgot pick

>>1810855
I found this happening to me while beginning as well. You're drawing at a different perspective than the grawing, (looking slightly down) which is hurting you because you're either interpreting the position of face parts correctly for this perspective, or how you see it in the image which is wrong because you set up your perspective different to the image.
Just look at angles of eyebrows, distance between eyes, and chin width and angle. Also the shoulder's angle.
Not the worst but read some Loomis Drawing Head and Hands for some construction tips. Skip Fun with a Pencil

>>1810856
Your shapes are way off. You made her head/hair tiny.

>>1810863
i don't like trying to copy it exactly but i feel you are right. i have been using loomis's approach to drawing heads but the thing i keep getting off which ends up distorting the whole picture (aside from making the side of the head circle too big) is the line that connects from the top of the ear to the eyebrows, than to make that curve follow around the head. as you can see it was slightly off from the original, i realized that late so instead of erasing it all i just went with it and attempted to compensate.

i'd call it a large improvement from my other drawings, at least i got the facial shape properly this time.

i'm also going to start practicing drawing hands because i might do better without being distorted by pretty faces.

see:>>1809418

>>1810868
as you can see it is not an exact copy. i realized i made the eyebrow line slightly angled down so i went with it and drew the whole face that way, attempted to compensate the rest of the picture to match, i think i did an OK job of that for someone who sucks terribly at faces.

>>1810871
>i don't like trying to copy it exactly
you couldn't if you wanted to. You couldn't draw a still life that were right in front of you either. Get over yourself.

>>1810872
don't gotta be such a dick about it.

>>1810872

Dude this is the beginner thread. Don't be an ass.

Is it fine to use rulers while doing perspective?

I don't want to use it as a crutch, so I'm practicing my free hand shapes and lines too.

>>1810876
Thats prefectly all right and will help you in the long run so you don't need the ruler, notusing it will probably discourage you because your drawing won't end up looking as good as it could be,.

>>1810876
pretty much everyone uses a ruler when they want their shit to look good

Still studying da vinci. Quick question. Did Da vinci exaggerate? Did people really look like they do in his drawings of the grotesque people? It's bothering me. Pic related, one of his grotesque drawings.

I'm 20 now and have absolutely no creative skills. Just started following the sticky and my PnP art is like 10 year old tier, hell they're probably kids that draw a lot better than me. All these hands and brain can do is set-up and secure networks.

I fucking love comics and art in general but I've always sucked ass and my family pushed me out of my dream so I just went into the tech field. Is there any hope for me?

All the progression images I find are of people starting when they're in their teenage years, not 20-21. I don't wanna career out of it, I just wanna be able to draw what I think about.

>>1810128
";_;" is used everywhere on 4chin you fucking retarded cunt

>>1810897
practice practice practice

>>1810935
What did you say you cocksucking nigger?

>>1810935
Check yoreself you fucking cunt

>>1810897
Well nigga, you're in the same boat as I am. Although I started when I was 19, in 2012.
I still suck cock at drawing, but that's because I got lazy and stopped working for the whole past year and have only now (a few days ago to be precise) started practising again.

Do not stop. Keep drawing from references, and you'll get better.
It'll take a lot of time and patience, but if you want to git gud, there is no other way.

If you give up, you're a faggot.

>>1810951
Fucking newfags

>>1810977
Ey shitstain, no one asked you worthless son of a whore, keep your head low jewish gaylord.

>>1810972
Lol like i am reading about myself. The same fucking exact story man, wtf.

>>1810897
It is never too late to git gud.

>>1810897
I started when I was 25 last November and only now am I really seeing the results of my labor. If you don't start now you'll only regret it later on in life when you realize where you could have been if you had knuckled down all that time ago.

I know this from experience because my mom tried to get me to do the exercises in drawing on the right side of the brain back in high school and I'm kicking myself every for not following through.

>>1810897
>>1810993
Ha barely got you beat - I'm 27 now, started when I was 26. I gave up when I was 13 like a faggot

good thing about being old is no school and more dosh, also you appreciate your hobbies more if you have to suffer through work everyday.

I feel like i'm starting to get better
not good, but better.
please kill my optimism

>>1811011
face proportions are very good, so you got that going for you, much better than me

>>1811008
Thankfully I'm past the edgy teen phase, the massive weeaboo stage and soon the embarrassingly bad beginner phase. Drops in the bucket, broseph.

15 min warm up.
Subject is my chubby crooked fingers.
I am guilty of focusing more on the face in my art rather than other specific areas or even composition.

>>1810677
>Pug Ammi

10/10 would adopt

>>1811029
You should use larger brushes

In this one I think the rug below him ended up a little off but i'm not sure where I f*cked up exactly

Have anyone else tried using syncronized swimmers as ref? they're fun

>>1811037
This looks like she has three legs.

>>1811040
Because she has.

>>1810977
le j-list ad :3 ;_; xD

fuck you idiot

Switched to overhand grip, it feels awkward, am I holding the pencil right even?

>>1811051
i always use overhand for shading large areas

>>1811055

But am I holding it right?

>>1811048
That ad was up on 4chan while you were still in elementary school

>>1811056
it's preference nigga

>>1811040
yes, they're fun!

>>1811061

Every good artist I've seen do a demonstration video (with pencil) has used the overhand grip.

god bless loomis holy hell

I'm not even good yet or anything but goddamn does loomis know how to keep you goin

>>1811064
It's still preference. I mean nobody's stopping you from sucking dick. People can prefer that, too.

I just wanna be able to draw porn.

What do

>>1811243
just draw people from the back side. and learn body shapes and ezpz

>>1811243
Are you old enough to watch porn? If not, unfortunately you will need to wait until you are 18 to access any of the reference material.

Otherwise, I recommend watching some first if you've never seen it before. There are a lot of great resources on the web if you have trouble finding inspiration.

I heard that /hc and /gif are recommended for enthusiasts.

Is perspective the most important thing a beginner should focus on? You know like the base of every drawing

>>1811350
One of the most important things, yes.

>>1809951

Better?

>>1811385
he went from Australopithecus to Homo erectus
that's an improve.
But really, that's a lot better

just got done with this I feel sorta satisfied for the first time ever

Anyone else just unable to sit down and read books about art?

I can read fiction all day, no problem. I've read countless novels, plays, VNs, even a lot of historical nonfiction, but I just can't read books about drawing and absorb them.

I drew my first self portrait today after drawing everyday for a couple weeks. I've just made sure to at least get some sort of drawing in whether it's just practicing perspective, gesture drawing, or head templates. I know I have a lot to work on but i'm pretty pleased with my results for this being my first portrait. Any thoughts anybody?

Trying out "Fun With a Pencil", am I doing alright so far?

>>1811421
You shouldn't be copying the pictures.
Try making your own heads using the techniques.
Remember to think in 3D. You're putting shapes on shapes.

>>1811405
I find it helps to make sketch notes on every concept they introduce. That way you practice while you learn, and you support the knowledge for better retention.

>>1811394
Evolution is a magical thing

>>1810041
>do something the other day that I think is actually decent for my skill level
>get cocky
>this happens
No use crying about it, onto the next drawing

Motherfucking faces! We full on symbol drawing now. I have all weekend to get this right.

Can't stop, can't stand failure anymore, it is so painful to look at my drawings

Does this shading look terrible?

>>1811556
yes and no. it doesn't look like it's supposed to be any kinda real light. but it is kinda pretty.

>>1811558
I think I was trying to go for a vector sort of look but didnt really commit to it and didnt know where to stop.

Anyone have any tips for shading with ink drawings?

>>1810041
This is about as far as I've gotten with Hampton.

>>1809840
I've been working on my Zodd doodle every now and then, Its been one of my first attempts at dynamic angles, I've been having trouble with the chest at this angle, and the head/neck connecting point, and everything else.

>>1810109
what program is this?

When people mention drawing from references, does that mean that I'm trying to copy someones style from one of their artworks or are references something else entirely?

>>1811723
I hate you and your fucking question

>>1811727
use it as a refrence to influence shaps/body position/posture that will heavilty influence your drawing.

this CAN mean copy directly but it doesnt have to.

Is perspective the more important thing a beginner should focus on? You know like the base of every drawing or something

>>1811765
There is no single most important thing, the fundamentals work in conjunction to make a good image.

>>1809840
What and how to fix this?

>>1811723
I used Krita

I think I'm going to buy some charcoal sticks today, do I need to get sandpaper to sharpen vine charcoal or can I just use the sticks as they come?

>>1811421
Yes
make more heads

>>1811426
I think copying them to start is a good idea
You learn how and where loomis puts objects onto the ball shape
After copying his using your own shapes makes more sense

>>1810421
Nice job.You're doing well. Watch out for these-
proportions
confidence in line quality (btw the skull doodle has great lines imo)
arrangement of values (the reflected light esp.)

You're on the right track just keep going. Good luck

>>1811790
The skull is in a different perspective to the face

I can't grasp this sphere division axis angle thing. Is there a fundamental I can practice to be better at this?

>>1811851
loomis a shit

>>1811830
I thought so, even after all those months of practicing head i still dont know which perspective is good. Ehh, fuck this.

>>1811851
No wonder when your circles are so fucked up.

Make a perfect circle, copy it around, and try with those.

>>1811860
It's as this anon said >>1811830

The skull is as if it was inclined upwards but the face is as if it was inclined downwards

I tried to point it out but I'm not even good myself

>>1810897
I'm a 28 and started this April with KTD and charcoal classes. If you start now, when you reach my age you could have a good level, even if you work full time as I do.
Don't give up and practise!

>>1811851
>>1811870

I still feel like I'm missing something. They just don't look right. Is it that I'm curving my lines wrong? I really can't tell.

>>1811908
yes your line are parabolic, they need to be a smooth curve. you need to draw through the form. watch vilppu

>>1811908
Try drawing the wrapping lines the whole way round the sphere like it's made of glass/see-through.

another day another face practice.

any glaring issues here with shape and positioning of the facial elements? that's all i'm really trying to improve on at the moment, shading is improving slightly but mainly i just want to know if the face position and shapes are appropriate

>>1811931
realized the ear is not tall enough and the shape is slightly off, but that is much easier to fix than eye and mouth positions

>>1811909

Which Video?

https://www.youtube.com/user/vilppustore/videos

my first ever time posting here on /ic/
I got really really bad artists block and havent touched pen to paper in over a month, and I just decided to follow suit with a hand exercise. Its also a half-blind exercise.

Thing is I really did break my hand so if its accurate to my hand, which its as close as I could get it without looking too much at the screen, it would look wierd anyways

>>1811931
>>1811934
That, and the ear is too far in the back of the head
But still, thats great. Everything else is pretty much right, and I also have a hard time on ears

>>1811910

Like this?

Could someone fix these so I know where I'm going wrong?

>>1811946
you are making the veritcle pole wrong. think about it as a straight line that pierces through the ball. it IS NOT the guaranteed start and end points of the curve you make on the circle.

also you are getting there but near the edges of the sphere, remember it is a sphere, there are not sharp changes in angles. so 3rd row, you are not conceptualizing the circumference properly. also the point of intersection should always form a perpendicular cross. 2nd row far right is perfect.

>>1811943
well thats great, a huge step up from my previous attempts. i'll work on ears a bit now since i never put much thought or effortinto them before, and poistioning of the ears.

do you like him?

>>1811946
i'm garbage with a mouse so don't take every line curve literally but i've fixed the first 9.

you seem to keep starting the lateral line too far up or too far down on the head. your verticle poles are wrong as stated above, and remember, the closer you get to the edge of the curve, the wider the longitudinal line gets.

>>1811946
to go further i'll expand on what i'm saying with the curve positioning and pole positioning.

again, i'm really shit with a mouth but this is what i'm saying. there is a straight line passing through the middle of the head, and the start and end are the start and end of the curve. the lateral line should be perpendicular to the axis line (the 2 poles on top and bottom

>>1811962
mouse*

>>1811962
oh shit i can see this going the way of that animu thread thing which ended up with teal doing like 6 pages of sphere geometry

>>1811965
nah thats the extend to which ill go into circles

>>1811954

I'm going to get this shit right if it takes me all week.

>>1811962
>>1811978

I really appreciate the lengths you're going to, to try to teach a hopeless cause how to art.

>>1811978
you are still making the lateral curve too high up on the sphere. lower it down. make a dot in the center of the circle and work around that

>>1811979
i like to help people

>>1811858
dae loomis suck xD?

>>1810295
You can make a viewfinder with cardboard or use glass from a picture frame

>>1811978
dude go buy a ping pong ball and a sharpie and draw some lines on it - it feels like you've never seen a sphere before

>>1811988
i also support buying ping pong balls and drawing on them.

>>1810856
Try reading Keys to Drawing. At one point it talks about taking measurements (Chapter 3)

The book talks a lot about drawing what we see as opposed to drawing what we think that we see.

Loomis is good 'n all but I don't like it as the go-to book for beginners (Speaking as a relative beginner myself)

>>1812007
i did that with almost every alignment line i could think of. the ear - top of brow line. the width of node to corner of the eye line. the line from other references ect.

>>1812007

Ball guy here. I second the notion that Loomis probably isn't that great for a total beginner. I've never really ever drew anything and find it really hard to grasp some of the stuff in the book as well as how to keep lines straight and shit, my brain has trouble conceptualizing 3d images and I just suck at angles and what not. I'm only using Loomis because I'm waiting for my copy of Keys to Drawing to arrive.

>>1811988

I have a hard time imagining a sphere for some reason. Like I know what it looks like and how it moves or what not, but I just can't figure out how to put lines on a 2d image to make it look 3d. So this seems like a good idea, and I'm going to do that.

>>1812015
>>1812007

oh, disregard that reply i thought that was for the ezri drawing. yes i realized that with that picture and i realized where i distorted the lines. my mistake. the alignment lines are a bit off.

Last try till I go get a ping pong ball, draw on it, and study the damn thing. I feel like I'm getting closer but I'm still having trouble visualizing it.

meh

Something's wrong with my gestures.

>>1812026
no son i ment a dot in the direct center. like the red dot i made earlier. so you have something to build around

>>1812039

>>1812026
You still missing basic geometry thing. Here, I tried to make step-by-step guide. Sorry for handwriting and possible english mistakes,

>>1812051

This is fucking perfect! Thanks a bunch!

>>1812039
Don't worry so much about the contour and proportions and think more about weight and balance. Try drawing the whole figure.

>>1812054
That's cute

Is anyone here doing Rapid Viz?

I think it is just what I needed but unfortunately there are no solutions to compare what you have done with the correct answer.

For instance I'm in the part where one should construct a 3D form based on the 2D views and some of them are a bit confusing

>>1812079
That's right though?
Put in the missing diagonals and it might make more sense to you.

>>1812079
if they're confusing then you aren't visualizing them in your head. shit's easy, firez, try harder.

>>1810041
here is my rough sketch
I did this after watching sycra's tut on proportions
will post my progress later
What do u guys think so far?

>>1812089
He's dumb.

>>1812079
Don't over think it. Scribble out what you think the answer would be ahead of time and draw using all the information you have on hand. Do it on paper and use a straight edge until you better internalize the principals if need be.

Excuse the terrible example but this is what I did and it helped me a lot.

>>1812089
its some stupid ploy to hoard attention

>>1812101
>ploy to hoard attention

That's so fucking cute oh my gosh

>>1812082
Yes, I guess the idea is there, however I fucked up royally the dotted line, it should be higher

>>1812089
>>1812100
Nevermind, I think it's a vestigial response for solving so many formal education books (calculus, physics, circuits, etc...)

And yes, I find it easier to solve with the pencil but I didn't bring any with me today.

Thanks for posting that pic for some reason 3 point perspective made think I only had to create cubes contained in a single column

>>1812101
>being so butthurt over a tripcode you actually believe this

>>1812118
>samefagging this hard

2

ez

>>1812120
No, It's not inconceivable that that post really was that dumb

>>1812120
>Being this incredibly buttdevistated over Firez

Everytime someone gets ass blasted I like Firez even more.

Should I be practicing by free-handing even if looks bad or by tracing?

>>1812212
Freehand, always freehand

Am I doing this right? Going to start building Anatomy on these bad boys.

>>1812212
>tracing
No.

Stop.

It's gonna look like shit for a long time but you have to keep drawing. Every fucking day.

>>1812216

Then, should I practice by drawing the same thing over and over or by drawing a variety of things even if they're mediocre? Cause sticky says I should draw stuff from life but I wanna draw cartoons and shit.

>>1812221
Cartoons are just life drawings with vastly exaggerated proportions, everything is bound by certain rules (I.e. anatomy, perspective). If you want to accurately portray this, you need to know and understand what rules you are bending.

>>1811099
it forces you to draw from your shoulder, something many people struggle at.

>>1811051
the point of the grip is to stop your ass from drawing from your wrist and fingers, is the way you are holding it accomplishing that? if yes than you are doing it right.

>>1812220
it depends. i trace my sketches. you need to have good coordination and steady hand. so what i mean is, er trace your sketches, not the reff. it's how manga assistants get good. they ink pencil drawings that manga artist gives them, which is basically tracing, but it's not mindless if that's what you're thinking.

Can you guys critique whatr I have so far? Everything I do at this point is an exercise, I've pretty much forgotten how to draw since I haven't done it in years. Trying to relearn all at once, this has taken me probably 10-12 hours just to get to this very basic point in the pic.

>>1812221
Drawing isn't a set of dichotomies, you learn the fundies and you can apply it to anything and arguably the quickest way to learn the fundies is to learn from life.

>>1812227
>arguably the quickest way to learn the fundies is to learn from life.

are you retarded m8

What do you guys do while drawing?

i'm watching through star trek voyager episodes at the moment. reference picture on main screen and Star trek on the other

fag

>>1812231
That'd be too distracting for me.. I tend to listen to music I'm doing studies, and if I'm doing 'fun' drawing for myself, I'll listen to rain sounds.

>>1812231
All sorts of shit. Currently listening to old OPie & Anthony broadcasts. Also been known to watch ATLA, Zim, The Critic, Freakazoid, or just listen to music

>>1812228
Form, gesture and perspective, nigger. Your brain is more simulated when what you're drawing is right in front of you rather than as a photo.

>>1812240

>ATLA
based

>>1812242

My point is emphasizing the importance of drawing from life without first seeking guidance from books is fucking retarded.

Just telling someone to go out and stare and draw shit to work out 'fundies' is absolute garbage.

You're asking someone to derive a whole bunch of technical knowledge themselves, when its much easier to just grab a book and study from that instead.

I'm not saying drawing from life is better or worse, or that you should only work from books, but your advice of:

>the quickest way to learn the fundies is to learn from life

is fucking retarded.

http://oldredvan.deviantart.com/

please help me I'm lost

sometimes I'll just draw and I can't figure anything out

I know I'm missing about ever mark ever but where do I go from here?

please don't tell me to fuck off I'm seriously trying - didn't everyone start somewhere?

>>1812273
another abomination

>>1812275
just more shit from request threads that I use as an excuse to practice, please help me

>>1812226
Really, still no takers on a critique?

>>1812277
i'm still a beginner myself see >>1811931
so i don't really have much positive input to add on technique or where to improve

>>1812226

Its gud. Get outta the beginner thread.

>>1812284
If you want to soften up her face, use less lines in areas like the cheeks, nose, and lips. Try to use broken lines for lips and shading for cheeks. And definitely try to get the proportions more accurate before shading.

>>1812288
helpful

A year of practice for this. I never felt so depressed.

>>1812305

Dude thats hella good. I wish I could draw that. Very stylized and neato.

>>1812315

>>1812305
Take a hard look at what consisted as practice. Look at where you wanna be, look at where you are now and adjust your workload to reflect so you can get there and think about the time you waste when you're discouraged and depressed.

The important thing is to stop stroking your depression boner and get back to work.

>>1812315
No one grows in a hugbox.

>>1812322
The problem is i was at the same level year ago. It's really painful to watch that i make no progress at all, like what should keep me going if i make shit like this again and again?

I am not even finding joy in it, since i cant visualize my thoughts in any form because of lack of skill. I really wanted to make some good art, but this makes me mad and sad.

>>1812328
>I am not even finding joy in it, since i cant visualize my thoughts in any form because of lack of skill.
Hurf durf then do some studies and practice your fundies. Everyone deals with that issue. It's becasue they suck and the only way to unsuck is to keep drawing sucky shit until it stops being suck. Wan mirrian twoops.

I'm still using Loomis' and ?forgot his name? construction method. I'm doing the cntrl alt paint thing and doing 100 studies.

Last study is trying to use 4 values before only to depict the face.

>>1812360

>>1812360
It's not a problem to study, it's a problem why after that amount of time i should be still motivated and interested? Believe me or not, doing shit over a fucking year makes you depressed as fuck.

>>1812383
This is pretty sick dude, I can actually tell who a lot of these faces are. Is that Robb Stark and Jon Snow at the top?

>>1812394
That is a problem that has a different answer based on each person. You have to ask yourself that one, I believe. Ask yourself why you draw and wonder if you are bullshitting yourself when you answer that.

If someone is interested in Rapid Viz it's got a huge discount on BD right now, I'd say it's worth its price. Pretty good book for beginners.

http://www.bookdepository.com/Rapid-Viz-Kurt-Hanks/9781598632682

>>1812397
Yep lol. My worst faces too...

>>1812322
>No one grows in a hugbox.Nothing wrong with Positive reinforcement is a very good tool for development. You do still need critique sure, but there's noting wrong with a pat on the back.

That example of exasperated dick sucking is a bit much though.

>>1812231
>WHILE drawing

Nothing. I can't focus on two things at a time.

>>1812407
Maybe it's weird, but i am keeping up because i want to make a high quality fanart from my favorit games. It sounds pretty autistic, but it really is important for me. Overall i would like to make interesting things of course on my own.

>>1811871
>after all those months of practicing head
was that intentional? i giggled

I can't find people to draw and I gobba practice figure drawing
Is pixelovely my only hope?

>>1812217
Be sure to leave room for your hands, nig.

>>1812468

>>>/s/

>>1812471
Oh lawd I'm a moron for not thinking of that

Can somebody explain this to me, please? What's going on there?

>>1810258
>Making drawings that you should know will be ugly from the start
>Not crumpling up and throwing away these unlikable ugly cunt drawings the moment you were done with them
>Thinking you'll make it

>>1812651

Whoa man. Don't be a dick. Also that's a lot of projecting man.

>>1809840
Is there anybody who follow vilppu book? I started to draw gesture and I have feel that i don't understand he's concept. Also i feel that I don't improve at all, do I need to draw them all the time to get better?

Anatomy before perspective or perspective before anatomy?

>>1812697
Get his dvds as well, or watch some tutorials on youtube, like proko's
>do I need to draw them all the time to get better?
This should be pretty fucking obvious

>>1812701
Perspective before anatomy, you won't be able to convey the form of muscles correctly without it.

>>1810186
At least you finish your drawing if you were me you wouldn't even attempt to draw because when I draw I always see those mistakes and my motivation is gone.

>>1810258
>>1812705

This guy here. No matter how crappy it is, you just gotta keep truckin. Its the only way to improve, even if its just a little.

the amount of whining and self-loathing in this thread is unbelievable.
you've just barely started, and you're already fastening the noose.

When drawing from life should I be closing one eye when looking at the subject?

Or is that bad?

Today I learned to stay the fuck away from colour for at least another year.
Jesus Christ.

>>1812755
focus on value nigger

>>1812470
Will do! I'll post a couple updates once I feel like I understand anatomy of the torso a little better.

Probably start some hand studies after that. Any tips for studying hands or literally, draw my own hands, draw pictures of hands, just fucking hands all day.

>>1812712
When I see mistakes in my work I feel that I will never be better and just waste my time. Those thoughts is so demotivative that I don't draw at all.

>>1812712
>>1812834
I just want to be gud. Not having the skill yet to create what you want to create is some major blue-balling shit.
I'll keep going in the hopes I get there one day.

After reading the immediately relevant parts of Keys to Drawing and a few dozen hours of practice, I actually manage to look at lines and then draw the lines with moderate accuracy! It's near-incredible progress. Feels good. </blog>

>>1812852
Guess I'll try that book next, then. So far nothing helped me to do that.

>>1809951
that forehead is is nearly 45 degrees, the haircut is extreme

>>1812651

Do you just go to beginner threads to bash beginners? Everyone has to start somewhere. Being an ass helps no one.

Slowly working my way through Hampton. On Landmarks right now.
Any tips\pointers?

>>1810897
, even old guys git gud when they retire and take some classes.

you better practise though

>>1810944
come fite me fagot

>>1810993
>>1811008
I'm almost crying right now. I'm 24, I thought I was at least five years too old to start at this point (I drew lots but always failed at consistently practicing so I dropped it without any results). I've got this urge today again so I went to check /ic/ and now that I see this... Maybe not all hope is lost.

Just maybe...

>>1812860
Nice.

>Any tips\pointers?
Consider these- perspective, line quality, proportion & balance. Also flip canvas.

You're doing good, just keep going.

>>1812852
Quite impressed with your line quality. Nice drawing too.

>>1812870
You can do it nigga. Remember, Where there is a way there is a will. Or sumthing like that ...

>>1809852
use a reference, and read the sticky

>>1812728
anyone?

Getting back into trying to learn to draw after giving up around two years ago. I didn't get far at the time, I picked up Loomis and turned out twenty pages of practice before wandering off. Should I consider getting another book like "Keys to Drawing" or something, or should I keep going over Loomis?

>>1812901
Some more Loomis, along with some doodles on the side there that show I found it hard to apply what he was teaching to actually drawing.

>>1812904
Whoops, wrong one.

>>1812875
T-thanks, I should go download Keys to Drawing right now.

first time in a while attempting a good posture drawing.

How'd i do? any glaring issues. ill continue to shade and hard line it but i wanted to make sure the proportions were right/positions/shapes ect. looks good to my eye (he is slightly turned to the side more in the refrence)

>>1812933
damn i forgot pic

New: >>1812962

>>1812940
league of legends splash anatomy is usually terrible, dont study it.

>>1811931
>>1811931
you exaggerated her right eyebrow so she looks like she's "S=^)" whe she is actually just "/=^)" and so that made her forehead end round and too long compared to the ref and I think that's why you ended up with the whole ear area wrong. As for the face details you got them right m8

>>1812873
Makes sense, thanks.

>>1811952
Yes he's very creepy and unsettling which I like