/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>numbering the thread
Autism level expert

>>1806162
>giving a shit about some people numbering
Autism level double master

>>1806162
>>1806170

>shitposting this hard

>shitposting by pointing out shitposting

autism grandmaster ultrawizard

I've never taken an actual art class or anything, although I've drawn fora long time. I started on my first study book thing the other day, The Natural Way to Draw by Kimon Nicolaides.
I think I'm doing alright so far.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for books?

Does anyone knows a smart Tablet that is really good for drawing in with a pen?

I have heard people drawing on iPads, but most seem to do it with their fingers, and iPads are overpriced pieces of aluminum too.

>>1806310
The note tablet is the best option if you need it to be a fully functional computer tablet, but it will still be vastly inferior to an actual graphics tablet

>>1806312

Those are the tablets that come with a pen with them already, right?

Are those pen capable of pressure sensitivity? I've seen a few second market pens that say they do, so I am guessing Samsung just sells the tablet with a stylus tier pen that doesn't register pressure.

>>1806173
what does that make you?
..what does that make me?

>>1806319
It does register pressure.

If I recall correctly, I think they licensed some tech from wacom for their tablets. I have the note phone, and it's alright, but I couldn't do any serious drawing on it compared to paper/real tablet

>>1806331

So long as I get to practice my fundamentals, I think I can manage with it, and I want it to study college related stuff too.

Thanks for the input.

I can build up human forms using cubes/spheres/etc. and get the basic shape it's trying to give but how the hell do I make it look like a human from there? I don't quite get how to turn the polygon man into a human man.

>>1806437

The polygon man is made so you get your perspectives right, and have a solid anatomy to work in.

You still need to learn where the muscles go, how the skin creases in joints and bents, etc.

>>1806445
I see, any retard proof anatomy books/videos you recommend? Every time I see an anatomy book my mind just goes blank for some reason and I just drop it entirely.

some thumb nailing/perspective exercises

Did I do good?

>>1806583
You missed the values.
His face should be slightly more elongated than what you have.

>>1806592
Yeah, now I see that, thanks.

First life drawing ever... it's a statue... I'm never going to make it :(

Also lol are blind contours supposed to be totally horrible? I hope I'm not the only person whose blind contour lines are alllll over the place.

>>1806600
Be proud of yourself, while you were busting your ass drawing I played pokemon for the entire fucking day. Keep it up, you will get better.

I have recently started practicing line control. I can draw nearly perfect lines and circles, but when I go to a tablet it sucks. Do I just need to practice more on the tablet? I use Manga Studio and turn off the stabilizer

Is there a good collection of figure drawing references out there that focuses mostly on the spine?

>>1806600
keep learning to see bruh and putting in effort. you should've seen my first pieces of shit

is there a point where you can feel you've improved?

i mean, besides being able to compare then and now?

i never know if i can draw pictures of the same quality consistently. i may not be improving or just don't know how to tell if i am. is this normal for a beginner?

>>1806785
yep.

>>1806795
to which question? :^)

>>1806797
all 3

I'm not going to work on this anymore, but any feedback would be great. I'm new to digital drawing and I have a lot of difficulty rendering. I feel the values need to be pushed further and there's something wrong with the right thigh/hip/groin area. All done on one layer with a simple hard brush with 100 opacity and flow.

>>1806290
>lined paper

>>1806805
poor couch.

>>1806805
this is the funniest picture i've seen in weeks. thank you

I know it's not good, but I just made this yesterday and it is literally the first thing I've ever made that even resembles a human.

1/2

>>1806946
I didn't make them at the same time and was lazy with matching colors so I just eyeball'd really quick-like.

2/2

>>1806947
cute, kinda looks like she peed herself in the second one though.

Hello /ic/ here to get completely ripped on and ready to take it in and start improving my art. So I guess I should post my last piece I drew.


Ok /ic/ I'm ready

Any tips

>>1806966
ur ignoring the reflection of the gravel. If you look at your ref in thumbnail view you can see the clear streak of grey in the middle of the lake.

All I got to say bout dat tho

For whatever reason, I was really tired last week didn't draw as much as I wanted to - kept falling asleep.

Can't shade, any tips are appreciated. I think I need to study more anatomy so I know where to shade the bones and muscles.

Also realized today that I can't hair - tips for this also appreciated

>>1806966
The trees and grass are a bit too green, I think. plus what the other guy said.

>>1807010
Your gestures are very expressive.. I hope you're using actual people pictures to do them.

>>1807010
Impressed by the robot. That's pretty neat.

>see an eagle picture on facebook
>try to draw it
>fail
>you know what
>end up with this

>>1806805
It's all I have.

I'm the hairiest.

Babby's first tablet.

>>1807128
You need to flesh out some more of it of course, but try to draw the eyes to something in the final, because I can't make out what it is.

Babby's first tablet scribbles.

>>1807153
you're on your way.

>>1806583
It's a good picture.

It doesn't look anything like the thing its supposed to.

I like drawing and painting and I always wanted to be good or learn how to, but I'm really lazy. I cut out stickers from vinyls but to make some progress I also want to learn some basic drawing and stuff.
Once I sat down and took some old tempera paints and created this. I had photo of this bird in pc. When I look at something I created after some time I start to think it is bad and just stop trying for some time. I don' know what to do with my laziness. What do you think about this bird?

This is how good I was back in late April of this year.

>>1807223
It's pretty good really, has a sumi-e feel

>>1807231
This is How good I was in late May.

>I get gud

>>1807235
Good job, now draw one from imagination

I want to do gesture drawing, but I don't have an idea of how to draw gesture. I have watched the same video of Proko over and over and still can't get it.

>>1807223
I like it

>>1807231
for some reason i love painstaking drawings with fucked up features.there's something, idk, cute about them.

>>1807237
Get gud

I don't quite get how to build up a human form from gesturing and basic shapes. Even with studying anatomy I don't get how to do it. I get how to shape the basic bone structures and all but how the hell do I actually combine everything I've learned?

>>1806162
>Practice makes Perfect.
This is the real autism

>>1807269
>>1807269
You don't have to combine them on paper. Gesture and anatomy mannequins are practice for you, actual drawing process may vary. For example, if you're good at arms and you can just slap down the contours no sweat, do it. But if you get to legs and they're funky--start building that anatomy skeleton.

Gesture is really extremely useful, but most of the time you really only have to put down your line of action if anything. The rest can become a subconscious process. Or, you might draw your figure right on top of a full gesture.

Shaping your own workflow comes from practice, and it's unique to you. Start safe by drawing the gesture, putting the skeleton/mannequin on top, and then sketching on top of that. As you progress, you'll see which parts you can skip be because you know them so well.

>>1807233
>>1807247
thanks very much, just found out about sumi-e and it looks awesome
now I have something to study at least

>>1807067
>using actual people pictures
Shame on me for not using real people.

I'll try some reals tonight. When I have long spurts without draw, I go back to animu comfort zone to build momentum

>>1806962

Hah, no she's crying :'(

>>1807235
what books, practice, etc. did you use to get to this point? i'm at about the same level as the first pic.

I suppose this is a good thread to ask: can someone recommend a good pen to draw with? I've come up with Staedtler pigment liners, SAKURA Pigma Micron and Prismacolor Premier Markers. are these all as good as each other?

what pen ought to be the "main" thickness? .3? does it come down to personal choice?

>>1807394
Still a beginner, but I like to use the Sakura pigma micron 005 because it is really fast (it can keep up if you sketch fast) upper right picture was done with it
>>1807010

The 2 bottom right were done with a Japanese pentel pen (pen pic attached) which I also like because it is so fast but you can vary the thickness. I think it is called a signing pen, and it has a plastic nib.

I have the prisma color pens but they are too slow and scratchy for me - I use them as fillers.

>>1807430
If you don't mind me asking, how exactly do you go about drawing the human form like the bottom two characters. I'm sort of stuck and don't know where to fucking go in my drawings and seeing what another beginner has to say might give me some perspective on things.

Here's an old drawing of a deer head I did two years ago. It was one of my first attempts at realism. What does /ic/ think?

(I wanna try my hand at drawing again because my tablet, which I bought specifically so that I could learn to draw, has been collecting dust for the last two years. Feels bad man. I'm gonna go find it...)

>>1807483
>two years ago
Irrelevant, post something recent.

how does that one look. i kind of rushed the doge on the right which explains his derpy eyes.

Re-visiting my drawing basics. This one's drawing my own feet, 25minute. The project is in Bert Dodson's 'Keys to Drawing.'

>>1807489
That's the most recent I have. I gave up on drawing after a month due to a combination of work, laziness, and having other hobbies. Haven't drawn anything since.

Here's another old drawing, probably the most recent I have. I'll try to scribble something once I find the tablet.

What are you guys' thoughts on those Art Academy "games" on 3DS and Wii U and stuff? I just got the Art Academy Sketchpad thing for 4 dollars and I think it's fun as hell to mess around with.

>>1807495
Pay attention to fur direction.

>>1807504
don't give up, looks neat

>>1807514
I'll try not to give up so easily this time, thanks.

>>1807447
What specifically do you feel stuck in?

I kinda took a bad route to drawing. I've committed every cardinal sin /ic has advised against. I "gesture" off of 4chan animu refs for about 80%, then I'll do 20% real to rebaseline my anatomy.

I am not sure if what I do can be considered a gesture, but I draw the line for the shoulders, a line for the hips, dots for where I want the knees and elbows, ellipse for a head, and then I fill in the contours. I used to do about 10-15 poses a night, now I do maybe 2-3, but they are more detailed.

I am never committed to any one drawing, I spend 30min max. If I can't fix the errors in that time, I move on. I do quantity over quality. I have about 700 sheets of paper stacked up from the last 10 months.

The best advice I got was to draw in pen and not pencil, this will force you to learn line confidence. When you fuck up, there is no undo...

>>1805851
I wrote what I noticed here, any tips?

>>1806964

Not terrible.

Waist is too small compared to shoulders and makes her look buff and top heavy.

Lines are ugly. You can go over your lines a few times but you should
go the full length. Short strokes make chicken-scratch.

Her the armpit and sideboob area give the appearance of a large left lat, contributing to the masculine buff look.

>>1806600
Blind contour, gesture and a lot of other exercises aren't meant to look pretty like a portfolio piece, they're meant to help you learn to see better by beating it into with blunt force and repetition almost like practicing scales on a guitar or a basketball player doing suicides on the court.

Also, everything you draw will look like complete ass for the first however-so-long while. Keep drawing every day and you will improve.

>>1806290
Keep at it, anon,it seems like bullshit after the first 5-6 schedules but it'll start dawning on you why you did all those exercises. Are you looking for a book on anything in particular?

>>1806805
Do you have any fucking clue how much paper you need for the natural way to draw? Using lined paper is saving him a lot of money for the amount of exercises it has you do.

>>1807575
You're not up to snuff to drawing figures yet, anon, get a feel for form and perspective.

>>1806964
Shaky chicken scratch lines. Make your lines more confident and don't use 100 little strokes to draw one curve.
Her eyes are very 2d and flat. Make them curve round the face, think of them as a 3d shape.
The leg on the right looks longer than the left one.

Other than these problems it's good. I like the design, the body has a nice shape.

>>1807583
aww anon I believe though, What should I practice form and perspective with? Like how does that practice work?

>>1807575
He looks bubbly hehe so cute. Go through Loomis's figure drawing book! It helped me so much!

>>1807586
Get a copy of perspective made easy or rapid viz and get an understanding how perspective works from a technical level. Apply it to whatever you draw and try to envision the basic shapes and how they correlate with each other. It took me a good while before I could start getting a feel for form, it's something that you really have to build up to. Don't get discouraged, keep on drawing erry' single day.

picture from a month ago. Any suggestions?

>>1807640
I suggest you read the sticky

>>1807510
what parts were you referring to? i basically copied from a pic

>>1807392
Watched shitload(and I mean shitload like foreign videos of art time lapsed Yes they're on youtube. youtube videos about pastel portraits and paintings time lapse videos. Mostly just portraits and not much landscape.

Have competition. Like some other fag that does portrait I can stalk and copy his techniques and shit. It feels gud. Idol why but it' motivates me a whole lot.

Study videos really carefully and buy projector and transparent paper.

Trace over any desired photograph. You know get the outlines and small details using the transparent paper.

Project transparent paper using projector.

Copy it on big paper.

Color it in with pastels and hats when the fun shit happens

I start with the eyes at first when doing a portrait and I talked forever enhancing them from the photograph and make them as good as possible. Takes like 6 hours nonstop for me just to get one eye just right. Then from the eyes it's like a virus. You just spread apart completing the drawing. I always go for the human body first then do the background(backgrounds fucking easy). Then always save the hair for last cause it's awesome and fun and challenging. I have my own way of doing the hair. Thinking of starting a youtube channel of pastel tutorials. I mean shit I got good in one month and I'm shit at art. But hey it's fucking easy doing it my way and it usually takes me like a day if I take almost all day on it. The 2nd drawing I did. The bitch it's the touch black eyebrows tool me around 20 hours. Didn't sleep at all but shit it's all worth it once it's all done. And those portraits sale really easy. Pic sold that one for 300 dollars. It's so easy and shit it's easy money and pastel drawings are fun as fuck.

Yes /ic/ I know I'm cheating but fuck you it's fucking easy and it's easy money and fags can't do shit about it and people hire me every day. Just to trace their shit photographs and recreate them using pastel lol

And all it took was one month for that to happen.

>>1807708
Yes, you're cheating but if your goal is to do this kind of art, well, you've made it. Everyone has different goals.

Being a photocopier sells amongst normal people but i would say that if you're in /ic/ and most important in this thread, you don't want just to copy but you want to create your own art.

Another thing is being able to sit wherever you want, including outside and just chill drawing, which doing what you're doing i guess it's not possible.

Anyway, keep the good work if you enjoy what you're doing, as long you don't lie to yourself and try to pass your technique for something it isn't, like those people trying to pass photobash as original art.

>>1807581
Anatomy and perspective, more essentials and basics pretty much

>Taking pictures of myself for drawing references

I feel so ashamed

>>1806290
>>1807581
buy / steal a ream of copy paper - lined paper is way too thin and cheap - plus it has lines so everybody will think ur a faget high schooler if you use it

been drawing shapes. I think this one is fucked up, could anyone point out where I messed up? thank you

>>1807799
the three parallel lines you draw need to meet at a single vanishing point

>>1807803
thanks, I see now. I appreciate the help

>>1807811
a few hours over a few days, a T-square, and a perspective book should be all it takes to be able to see what's wrong with perspective in any picture you do.

i highly advise you set some time aside and go through one. i found it quite enjoyable, moreso the more difficult the perspective was to get right. you don't need to do it if you're just starting but it's pretty fun if you get bored of construction.

Do you guys find that drawing from life helps you with consturction?

>>1807815
thanks, I'll definitely do that, since I want to improve. it'll probably be much better than practicing shapes at different angles before I even understand perspective

I think I'll read Perspective Drawing Handbook by D'amelio.

>>1807818
yes

Just a quick thing I did tonight, Why does it not look crisp at all though? Also, I'm new to digital painting and art can I not use a fill tool with outlines like this? Every time I do it leaves grey squares around the borders of the lines and I have to go back over it anyway.

Sorry for this mess of lines but can I get some help, directions, advice, red lines, or whatever with this? I'm trying to draw a little girl putting on a bandage. I can't figure out the left arm; I want it to be sort of angled 45 degrees toward the viewer, with part of the elbow pointing towards you. I can't seem to do that without making the upper arm look short, though. I wonder if it'll look better once I put clothes on her. Also, I'm not sure how big the head should be for appropriate anime size. If you spot anything (or everything) else wrong, please point it out. I'll take anything even if it's not specific to what I asked.

I just ordered a skull for life drawing, but I wanted to get started anyway. Construction a shit, values a shit, can't wait to have a proper reference. Once I get the actual skull I'm going to work from scratch doing pen drawings/construction.

Also, does anyone have advice for defining lines better while rendering? I can't for the life of me do it.

Posted this in thread 11, didn't realize that was ded.

>>1807708
>Trace

>>1807881
Did you buy a real human skull? The ones i found were all like £500, i just got some accurate model for £30, i'm really pleased with it though.
Really helps the anatomy sink in when you can physically hold the skull

>>1807888
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271457214148
In case anybody was looking to get one i guess

I drew another doodle today. What does /ic/ think?

>>1807888
>real human skull
What, you don't buy dead bodies to draw their poses?

>>1807895
I would have but they are DAMN EXPENSIVE, really, its not like they need them anymore, and theres hardly a shortage of dead people, you'd think they'd be cheap but nooo.
I can see why Da Vinci was a grave robber

>>1806946
>>1806947
>>1807640
>>1807851
>>1807894
Just a little reminder.

You don't need to draw realistic but you do need to know the fundamentals, i'm talking construction, perspective, values, etc..

A lot of Western manga suck so much because people try to copy the animu style without understand why they are that way, this results in flat, boring and lifeless drawings.

Hit the books, you don't like drawing realistic? Endure till you know the fundamentals. This doesn't mean you shouldn't be drawing your cute girls eating cocks, draw them but only after a study session, think of them as dessert. Bonus point: try to incorporate what you just learned into your animu, this way you can improve both styles at the same rate and please for the love of god don't fall for the "this is my style", you don't have a style if you don't know how to draw.

Sory for being kinda rude, but lately there's been a constant flow in here of drawings by people who seems to not have read the sticky or aren't trying to learn.

tl:dr Ready the sticky, learn the fundamentals collect drawings.

>>1807903
I'm this guy>>1807851
I have read the sticky and I'm CURRENTLY working on my fundamentals as far as anatomy and actually improving a bit recently, I posted this because I have general questions about shading/painting in photoshop and this is a beginner place

>>1807894
I really wanted to give you some constructive criticism and useful advice, but every time i see those inner elbow skin flaps i burst out laughing.
On the flip side, no worries, plenty of the better artists on this board were at this level, probably a year or two ago at the age of 27 or something.
Practice and become amazing!

>>1807907
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/

Tried to pick some harder poses today with more perspective, and stranger limb positions, they were too hard, had to pencil them...

Might migrate over to the anime / stylization thread - see you guys over there?

>>1807903
by the by, construction isn't a fundamental it's a technique to help you map volume. volume is the fundamental and there's more than one way to model it.

>>1807888
I bought a pretty good looking plastic model for medical students.

Well how is this?

- - - Public Service Announcement - - -

Before you start warm your arms and hands up with basic exercises

Take breaks often. Ideally every 30 minutes or every hour for 10 minutes. Walk around. Stretch your legs.

Getting carpal tunnel and heart diseases are much worse than gitting gud a little bit slower.

I don't know what this is, but it was a fun pastime.

>>1808083
Thanks doc

Made this today

WHO THE SALLY BUTT FUCK OF THE WORLD IS DRAWING ON LINED GOD DAMN PAPER?!

Moving through Keys to Drawing
Original: http://i.imgur.com/uZH0pDv.jpg
Pretty certain his head was drawn at first too wide, but I decided to roll with it. It became evident once eyes had too much space between them and the edge of his head.

>>1808149
From earlier in the book.
Original: http://i.imgur.com/15tsOg4.png

>>1808147
People trying to save money buying large amounts of paper? Lined paper is fine for practice, you should be going through notebooks like water.

>>1808149
>>1808150
Loomis

>>1808158
To learn facial construction? Okay, thanks.

>>1808152
WHAT IS THIS I AM HOLDING IN MY HAND RECRUIT? IS THIS PRINTING PAPER? TELL ME, IS THIS PRINTING PAPER. DOES YOU WOMANY ASS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PRINTING PAPER? THEY COST LESS THAN 1 CENT PER PIECE, AND CAN YOU SEE ANY LINES ON THIS?

>>1808162
Ok sorry

>>1808162
Can I buy notebooks full of hundreds of sheets of printer paper to take to work for less than a dollar apiece?

>>1808167
Just take a shopping bag full of printer paper and you'll be fine

>>1808167
WHY WOULD YOU WANT SISSILY AND POORLY GLUED TOGETHER PIECES OF PAPER WHEN YOU CAN BUY 500 PIECES OF INDEPENDENT PAPER, RECRUIT.

>>1808147
>>1808162
>be the lined paper guy
>take a gander back at thread
>mfw

>>1808175
So I can carry a notebook to and from work in a bag without having to worry about organizing individual papers or keeping everything flat, you dull fucknut. I'll draw on lineless paper at home but for practice books to carry around who gives a shit, seriously.

Where would you say I am skillwise, /ic/?
Am I still stuck in beginner mode or am I starting to finally break free?

>>1805851
I was told to only draw in pen as a beginner since it will teach me to not erase my mistakes and only draw meaningful lines.

>>1808206
>Tripfagging
>Not drawing it physically

>>1808211
It's a start. You're just copying here though.

>>1808221
I've got my huge sketchbook in the other room but I have no cameras in the house and my 13 year old scanner broke down a few years back. It's hard to ask for critique when I can't show any work. Besides, I need to get sharpen my tablet drawing in particular - that skill is what pays my bills.

If I were to draw it, I sure as hell wouldn't draw it on lined paper. Scanning art in is a big enough pain in the ass before such unnecessary complications.

>>1808234
No shit.

>>1808244
that's not just lined paper, it's musical notation paper, the cadillac of lined papers.

>>1808245
So don't. You're not going to learn much by copying someone else's constructed form.

>>1808206
stop chicken scratching and think a little more about composition. The background doesn't make much sense here.

Underneath the scribbling that's a pretty good cartoony figure, though!

>>1808206

who is he punching?

>>1808257
Scratching is an old bad habit I'm trying to break away from, as is always posing my figures statically. I guess if that's a decent figure then it's alright to finally start focusing on composition, anatomy, and making my linework more confident. Thanks, anon.

>>1808265
Air, presently. I considered having someone being knocked off their feet in the left third but I wasn't confident I could pull it off.

>>1808206
>>1808257
>>1808267
This is way past mere chicken scratching. These lines are all over the place. Hell, some of them have hooks at the end.

>>1808278
The less confident I am that I've captured a shape correctly the more times I go over it to try and correct it.

I'm not incapable of doing cleaner linework (pic related) but while i'm sketching my lines tend to get super-messy as I redraw and redraw and redraw particular parts of the body.

So it usually winds up looking like that pic when I try to figure out my figure's anatomy - I'm almost never confident I've gotten a part right.

>>1808285
You are definitely in the beginner zone m8, start from scratch

>>1807852
Your legs are too long, and the further leg is being pulled off. It would also help to draw the parts of the figure that are hidden by clothes/legs/hands. Just to get that torso and pelvis right. Also, adding cross contours helps you understand the forms and foreshortening better.

That's also pretty hard pose to get right, mainly because of the legs. It's easy to find references from google (incase you didn't already use one).

Haven't touched pencil in two months now (like that would matter), sorry for the shit example.

>>1808296
Have been. Started over with Loomis and the Structure of Man series but it's a long road yet to where I'd like to be and I've got some 20 years of bad drawing habits working against me.

am i a genius?

>>1808309
Did you even read the sticky?

Quick question, I just started with digital drawing and im having trouble finding the correct canvas size for making small perfect lines.

I tried 2000x2000 but I still end up with blurry lines around the eyes/mouth tho im using a brush with size 1. (artrage.)

thanks guys

>>1807237
why bother drawing anything from imagination unless you are going to be a concept artist? even then I don't know why you would draw a face from imagination; seems like an almost useless skill to develop

>>1808315
>why bother drawing anything from imagination
Anon, take a second to think about what you just posted

>>1808201
I use a clipboard with printer paper. This way you can swap out finished drawings for fresh paper. I stack my finished drawings at home, and when the stack gets high, I get all my pages bound at a copy center (optional - it is like 3.50 to bind 200 pages)

Printer paper is nice cause you can steal reams from uni or from work

>>1808080
Some of the limbs look a bit noodley, but I like the poses that you picked

>>1808319
You must be quite insecure if you have to dodge the question instead of explaining what's wrong with what he's saying.

>>1808315
why bother trying to be a copy machine or a camera?
1/10 bait

>>1808325
>insecure

Anon, pls.

What he's asking is kinda like saying why draw in the first place when there's an abundance of computer software to do the work for you. Some artists might not want to have to rely on finding photographs to copy from or having to lightbox something every time they want to draw a certain pose.

>>1808297
Alright thanks. The legs are going to be the focus so I'll try to adjust them. I haven't tried cross contours yet, thanks for telling me about them.

Yeah the example isn't really helping me, or more like I don't know what to gain from the example.

>>1807576
The nips always make their tutorials look hilarious

>>1808315
except for the people who only do portraits, every other type of artist needs to draw from their imagination. it's not just concept artists.

>>1808315
There is literally no reason to draw from anything but imagination. Do you know what a camera is?

>>1808297
Are you sure the legs are too long? I know the right leg is a little off. But every time I look at them they look fine. Help me out here?

[]signing in 7:10PM 8/12/14

>>1808305
with the batman punch, get your ass off the chair and throw some punches, and take note of what moves, all else fails, look at boxers. all i see there is batman strikeing a retarded pose.

>>1808312
go with a 2000x2000 and use a 13point brush, than when you are done, you shrink the canvas...

bigger is better, but this is the beginner thread, and having a fuck off huge canvas isnt going to make you better just because the lines look prettier.

>>1808367
Please be trolling. You can use a reference without painting photo-realism. The old master painted from life, Lucian Freud painted from life, even Bacon used photos.

Well I got better at least... my standards are going up faster than my ability.

always doodled, but first year of trying more seriously

Fundamentals may not be great, but does it look alright?

Srry 4 Shiz Rez

how do i get better at faces

i literally, LITERALLY can't figure out whats wrong when i'm drawing but when i look back 30 minutes later i realize the mistakes.

like you know what body dysmorphia is? I get that with my drawings. i look at my refrence and then back at the drawing and see absolutely nothign wrong. or i see it in the wrong spot. it just looks exactly the same to me. then when i post about it or look at it at a later time i can clearly see the issues.

is there any way to stop myself from fucking thinking its right aside from overlay the 2 pictures to visually where it's wrong?

once i'm like an hour in to drawing whatever it is i can NEVER figure out the problem. my mind makes it look right when it's not.

I call this one "Bear riding a motorcycle saying 'this summer is unBEARable'" lol what do u think?

>>1807799
I opened the perspective book but I feel super retarded right now... I will keep up the work and post again once I finish a cube

>>1808608
I am the CUBE KILLER!!!

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>>1808607
Looks like he is bearly able to ride that bike in his bear feet

>>1808083
Is fapping a basic exercise?

Considered me all warmed up

>>1808659
I genuinely think my athletic build is purely a result of fapping like damn i don't do any other exercise that must be it.
To be fair, its tiring work doing that same motion for an entire hour or two

I've had a lot of trouble positioning the eyes and making them look like they belong to the same person.
Any tips?

>>1808678
measure more

>>1808678
Remember that the space between the two eyes is equivelent to another eye. You could fit exactly 1 eye between your eyes

Working on studying anatomy for the sake of cartooning. This is the sort of thing I do for practice.

Same fag.
I know I'm not very good yet, but I'll get there. I've only been seriously doing this a couple weeks yet.

>>1807852
Did some... whatever-you-call-it to make it look a little better. How does this little girl look now? Is the head size/shape good? How do the legs look?

She'll be wearing a long sleeve shirt, skirt and shoes, so I won't bother too much with the feet, lower back, and arm size.

>>1808297
Yeah sorry, I don't see how the legs are too long. Can you show me how they should look?

>>1808687
If cartooning is your goal, gesture is probably more important than anything else, be prepared to fill sketchbooks with 30second stickmen with circles for head, torso and hips
Btw, nobody understands gesture until it hits them, then it all makes sense and its really easy

>>1808690
Well... cartooning and animation, actually. I want to work up to digital art, but my more immediate goal is animation and webcomics.
Gesture, huh? This is sort of what I'm practicing now- looking at new poses. These all started with circle/stick figures, for the most part. I'm just starting to work on really rough conceptual art for what I want to make.

pre beginner here
which would be better for skill development with illustration
old fashioned pencil and sketch book or digital?
by better i really just mean faster

>>1808710
Traditional, especially for things like gestural drawing.

Doodled for years but only starting to take drawing more seriously now, focusing on the face lately.

Did this from imagination this morning, cross eyed but a step forward from previous attempts. Thoughts?

>>1808711
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I asked this in the question thread yesterday but it seems pretty dead so I;ll ask my question here sorry/ I've heard a lot of stuff from instructors saying I should always do gesture drawings and go through the process gesture, forms, proportions, anatomy. And I've been following that and always doing my figure drawings and studies like that, but I've read and heard a lot of things about when I do a actually illustration that I shouldn't draw the gesture but just be aware of it. Is this wrong or are both right?

>>1808714
those are some big eyes she has there

I found some prisma color markers, but halfway through they all dried up - immediately discouraged me from drawing

Lots of fuck ups today, just couldn't close the deal on anything...

>>1808719
I think there's a Proko video that addresses this.

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Ahh, thanks I'll look.

I fucking hate this. After 2 months of drawing for 6 hours a day, reading a shitton of books I've obviously learned a lot but the problem is - every fucking day I'm discovering something I should know from the get go. I'm talking about fundamental things like how to hold a pencil, how to arrange a drawing space etc. One day I've found out that drawing on a flat desk with fuck up my perspective and more important - my back. Later I was struggling with a proper way to hold a pen because my usual grip was literally killing my wrist. I know Drawing Academy is covering topics like these but I can't afford it right now because I have to eat. Damn nigga, self teaching is hard.

Starting out in 'Drawing with on the right side of the brain'.

I'll probably benefit from these exercises.

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Any advice based on this crap already is welcome.

>>1808915
The book's good until you're told to use those stupid tools she talks about, just jump ship and start Loomis or Keys to Drawing after that.

Also skip all the walls of text, they're all pseudoscience feel-good bullshit, but the exercises are good.

Id like some feedback on this. Please dont mind the dinosaur's proportions, as its not supposed to be a t rex, though I do need to work on that mouth.

The sticky has been quite tedious so I figured I should ask around where will I start seeing new things, based on this thing.

Well I'e been practicing for about a month and a half now, doing line drills and circles every single day as well as drawing for at least three hours and my hand and arm are still weak and shake as fuck and I can't make nice lines... at all. Am I just genetically fucked?

>>1808920
Start with your line quality., its too hairy and fuzzy, hard to tell whats happening.

>>1809029
If its just that hard then use a ruler, thats what eveyone uses for the cleanest lines anyway

Can I get a critique on the anatomy and construction on this?
It's based on a picture of Natalie Dormer, though not a direct study.

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It's not just straight lines... it's every line, if I go to draw an ellipse or a curve somewhere it won't come out how I want, or where I want.

>>1809029
It takes time to develop fine motor control. You say you've been doing it for a month and a half - are your newer exercises at least better than when you started out?

>>1809086

A lot better, but it feels sort of like I've just learned how to manage a line easier, my arm and hand doesn't hand I still shake. I switched a few days ago to using an overhand grip after watching Villpu draw and being inspired by that, I feel that my arm is just really not able to perform the motions I need to and if I rest my pencil over a dot or something in mid air I can see it shake pretty badly. If I try to draw a straight line I have to press really hard to make it work, if I try to go lighter my hand shakes, and if I go slowly at all my hand shakes a lot, especially going in certain directions.

I know my dad has like, really shaky hands.

>>1809081
Dem symbols
Read Loomis' Head and Hands on female heads. Seriously, it'll help

>>1809101
>Dem symbols
Where? I've been trying to construct everything as good as I could. It just gets murky after going over it so many times.

Not trying to be defensive, I actually don't really see it.

>>1809049
Indeed. Thank you.

>>1809096
All about speed. Don't draw lines slow or hard. Try fast and light. Your straight lines might start out as arcs, but gradually tune your arcs until those arcs become straight lines. You should be able to fill a page in about 45s.

Once you can draw fast straight lines randomly, you can try to slow them down to place them on the paper where u want them.

>>1807294
good fucking thing he wrote what it is or we would never have realized

>>1808714
you have to start fixing mistakes early if you want to be a successful anime symbol drawer

Feel like I'm done with it

>>1809158
do you not see a problem with your head shape?

>>1808714
that's really not to bad at all. the expression in particular reads very well. most of the shading is in the right place, describes the form pretty well. the hair is really the big let down. gj.

>>1809161
I don't know, it's probably a head owner's problem.
Damn, numeric captcha is gone.

>>1809175
no, you elongated and flattening it out. but if you had done it on purpose it would of been really cool. making this weird guy look kind of like a tribal mask to emphasis something or other.

Going to post studies now.

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>>1809202
I actually do have a question. Right now I'm just drawing the contour and then scratching in the volume. Plus my study schedule is nonexistent. I just draw whenever I have 'energy' to. Is there a practice schedule that is more rigid and more focused that I can take on?

Does anyone else have like... a rage problem? I find that when my drawing isn't turning out how I want it to I just get angrier and angrier until it's totally impossible to keep going... it's really hindering my progress.

>>1809221
i get that sometimes, i scratch the picture and start again.

Does anyone know of a book that really helped them grasp how eyes work? I'm having a lot of trouble drawing them

can anyone redline this for me? i have no idea where to fix it but it is obviously wrong, no matter how hard i try i can't seem to find the issue.

i'm so fucking bad at faces

>>1809232
this helped me
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/05/draw-eyes/

>>1809255
You can redline it yourself with the photo.
Your biggest problem aside from that is Lines vs. Values. Start shading things in instead of drawing them and they'll look better. This works especially on lips.

>>1809263
i dislike doing that simply because the line edges start to fade and if i harden the edges it becomes a lot uglier if i had to errase them to find the issue. this same suggestion has been requested before but i want to make sure things like the mouth,nose,eyes ect are the right shape before shading them because i shade based on the lines already there and contour lines i make, which coincide with the basic position lines of the nose mouth eyes ect.

>>1809263
redlining it myself and looking back at my old pictures it seems i have a nack for constantly making the face too long. Now that i have rescaled the redline to match the drawing making the face widers and shorter helped immensely.

>>1805851
Value study. Besides fucked up anatomy and shit, how bad value here is? How to fix it?

>>1809286

Does your ref have a full white background?

>>1809289
No, but fuck this.It was all black.

>>1809255
dunno man, what makes face look like someones face are distances between eyes, nose and mouth. Don't shade if you have it wrong. Also focus start with most contrasty parts.

muh poor atempt

>>1809298
i have no idea what you just tried to say to me.

>>1809300
Proportions, anon, what makes all our faces different is the subtle variations in them.

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divine. godly. rebirth of an old master?

I've been using Photoshop for 4 days (and making shitty cel shading art for a few weeks on and off.) After wondering why my brush isn't painting like those I see in tutorials I noticed my brush presets weren't set to pen pressure. After I fixed it I saw a huge difference in my work. Anyway is this a good start for painting skin shades? I know the proportions are a little weird.

>>1809300
1) Draw most contrast parts of face first (fig 3.)
2) Do it until it feels right (scan it, overlay it with photo,see what is wrong and fix it)
3) Find mid tones (shade it or outline it)
4) Blend midtones with black part from step 1
5) Blend midtones highlights
6) Polish

>>1809315
good base

add high lights and shadows (whiteish, depending on light you want to have it, but blueish complements the redish skin) aka widen your value range, also eyes are bit off

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forgot the file

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Really cool, thanks

>>1809286
Someone respond, please. I spent 3 days on this shit (2 hours each) and i feel utterly depressed knowing, that i wasted 3 days for this shit. Help me fix this, i would be very grateful bros.

>>1809348
You need to emphasize the shading within the planes of the face better. The nose seems flat in both perspective and shading.

>>1809348
post original, also why the fuck are you refining eyes if youre not done with mouth and nose?

Oh fuck no what the fuck

I was drawing a girl how did this happen

Am i supposed to draw big all the time or indulge myself with a billion thumbnail sketches

>>1809384
zoomed out big should read as good as thumbnail

>>1809380
I'm legitimately curious how this went so wrong

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>>1809394
Look at how her body parts are built.

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Thanks a ton

>>1809387
thanks

Tell me this, Captain, if the Federation is so great, than why am i so bad at drawing?

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>>1809418
Because there has to be a balance.

from some WWII pic.
fast little thing, rifle looks like shit, dont remind me

which loomis should a total beginner start with?

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andrew

>>1809435
fun with a pencil

>>1809255
Your biggest problem is the shape on the face. Keep practicing, and you'll learn to see the difference between what you're drawing and reality.
I remember I used to hate drawing teeth, but I've gotten better at it. Make the lines a little less defined or use more shading to define the varying degrees of white. The lines on the teeth stand out too much, especially considering that a shadow is cast on the teeth.
The eyes could use work. This partly has to do with how attentive to detail you are, but if you look, the eye closest to you is squinting very slightly, given that the eyelid is just a little lowered.
The eyebrows are not defined well enough.
The hair needs detail work.
Mostly though, it's the shape that's off. Loomis can teach you a lot about faces, if you read just about any portion of his work. He defined the skeleton we use for facial shape. You generally want to use that to start out with, and really all the time. Part of understanding how the shapes of faces work is understanding how the shapes deviate from basic shapes, like circles. This allows you to more accurately reproduce the lines that define a face's actual shape.

>>1809348
If you are working, you are not wasting your time. Even if you are not doing it as efficiently as you could, any practice is good practice.
So don't feel bad. Pat yourself on the back for trying.

>>1809418
It's good practice. Keep working with it, and try not to put yourself down for being bad. Everybody starts somewhere. You already draw better than the majority of people who don't have hands, so you're already golden. Just keep at it.
I'd suggest looking at Loomis. That name pops up a lot, and for good reason. He can help you work with faces.

>>1809439
i chose not to go into any details like shading and more detail on the eyes/rest of the face like hair because i knew the shape was not right or something was off, so i dont bother shading and details on something i know i have to change.

i'm following proko's guide on face shapes in order to start off the face but this method leaves me with an elongated face 90% of the time. which i never really realized till i overlayed that picture, redlines it than adjusted the scale of the redline. see: >>1809418

>>1809443
I commented on that one too. If the method is leaving you with elongated faces, I still suggest Loomis. He suggests starting with a circle, and building from there, which should help you somewhat with your elongation issue.

>>1809444
i do start from a circle if you went and looked at the person i mentioned's method. I just rewatched the video and thats the EXACT technique i'm using. here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

every single time i end up with a face thats too long because i guess i'm making the outer circles too big. and to maintain the face being broken up into 1/3rd portions, the face is longer because of it.

>>1809443
The reason why the face is so elongated is because you are forgetting that hair is not a hat. The very top of her hair is also the top of her head. I can tell because the eyes would be about halfway up on the head (not the face). The way her hair sticks out in front and her low hairline makes it easy to get confused.

>>1809448
no thats not the reason at all and i proved that myself by redlining the drawing. its because i make the jaw too far down which in turn forces a longer nose and a lower mouth and a long chinline. do it yourself. redline the original, overlay that onto the drawing, scale the height properly and you will realize the chin mouth and nose were fucked up.

>>1809452
If that's not the problem, then why is the face you drew the same size as the girl's entire head? Of course the nose and chin would be longer as a result of making the head too long.

>>1809452
This is a critique thread.
For future reference, you don't get defensive when somebody offers you a critique. That is *not* how you grow.
You politely accept or deny criticism. But you don't imply that everybody is stupid except for you.
You're not seeing progress? Keep at it. But don't put down the people who try to help you.

>>1809458
>you don't get defensive
but i will correct someone when they give me wrong advice or advice without any evidence to support it.
>imply everyone is stupid
read up. i asked for initial advice and the first response told me to do it myself and figure out whats wrong so i did. i figured out the underlying problem which was making the side of the head circle too big. but saying fix the hairline is just bad advice.

>>1809459
>but i will correct someone when they give me wrong advice or advice without any evidence to support it.
Why even ask for critique in the first place if you're already keen on what you messed up on?

>>1809459
Wasn't my advice though.
Sorry if this is confusing... maybe I need to go by a name... but you're getting critiques from two or more different people, not one.
Regardless, it's good that you have a good idea of what you need to fix. The facial shape is your problem, and that takes work. There is presumably nothing wrong with the method, if it's the same as Loomis's. It's just going to take a lot of practice.
You can ignore shading now if you want, but it will be extremely important later. There's only so much you can do in shades of grey and black, and that shading creates depth, which is extremely important in faces.

Probably jumped the gun on this one, but I drew without any references today. Unsurprisingly difficult. There was a lot of staring at blank paper...

>Anatomy is shit without reference
>Chicken scratch because I have no vision for where the drawing will go
>Gestures a shit because I have no visual dictionary.

Feeling absolute beginner today - skills have been declining lately...

Any tips on drawing sans reference?

>>1809549
draw from life

>>1809549
Gesture drawing actually helped me a lot with my figures and drawing from my imagination.

And speaking of beginner, I did some studies from atlas of human anatomy for the artist and I used charcoal for the first time.

>>1809562
Does life count as a reference?

I guess a better question might be, is it beneficial to practice drawing without a reference?

It feels like I am testing myself without a cheat sheet. Should drawing without a ref be part of "training"?

I almost feel like at the end of the day you can combine any subset of references (which may or may not be in your visual dictionary) to complete your drawing.

>>1809564
Take some time and fill a sketchbook with nothing but drawing from life. When you draw from life you have much more information for your brain to process rather than just a photograph and it's much more stimulating. It's not detrimental to study from photographs but you will learn more and faster when you draw from life.

>>1809564
I actualy painted/drew mostly without reference, because it force you to think and figure out how does human body works.

It is really like taking a test without cheat sheet. You will get much worse grades, but it will be more beneficial in a long run than taking a tests while looking at notes cuz you will learn shit

Day #1 of gestures


No idea where that pink light came from

>>1809591
its your face

>>1805851
OP, don't listen to this >>1806162 humongous retarded, keep numbering them.

>>1809614
i actually OP'd this thread but not any of the others, i just kept the number cause the last one had it :p

>>1809594
teehee bcus anon is blushing

>>1808657
Well he is a bear after all. I'm proud that he got the bike upright lol

>>1809616
Well, thank you anyway, the numbers help me keeping track of the threads I missed.

Did the feet exercise from Keys to Drawing.

>>1808144
keep it up man

>>1809563
I might sign up for a charcoal figure drawing class this weekend - nothing else to do.

>>1809566
I sleep while I am in transit during prime draw time - gotta stay awake! Has anyone ever been caught drawing people during a meeting?

>>1809569
Imagining original gestures is kinda tricky. I spent 2/3 of the time trying to think if what I wanted to draw, but I'll work this into the practice rotations

New >>1809840

>>1809759
I like your grid, keep at it

you fucked up a little in the middle of the page but still a good grid

anatomy and proportion practise