/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

7/10. I never made a single piece, it's just grinding the basics for months now.

>>1806243
>The enjoyment axis is broken
>Enjoyment just magically appear at some point and disappear after another.
>Enjoyment skyrockets at exactly ONE point and plummets down immediately after
>directly proportional to skill as shown by this graph
>directly proportional
>this graph
Dear god what are you doing?

6/10
Bought pastels a month ago but haven't touched them because I have a rule of only working on two projects at a time so they get finished.

>>1806270
Yikes, did you do that to one side of his face on purpose?

>>1806271
Here's the reference. I drew what I saw.

>>1806274
Lmfao

>>1806274
No you didn't. Look at the symbol drawing you did with the eyes, while at the same time doing excellent with the hair

>>1806274
>I drew what I saw.
oh boy. it's like you're asking for it..

My latest piece. Enjoyment was very high.

>>1806280
what do u mean

>>1806274
The world through your eyes.

>>1806289
see >>1806301

>>1806303
I'm sure he couldn't have seen that post that is directly under his post quoting him without you pointing it out.

>>1806307
He did it because /ic/ is so fast that you can easily miss a post.

>>1806307
>>1806311
b-but he asked me

I'll participate OP, currently working on this mediocre piece of shit.

Enjoyment is certainly not a perfectly smooth curve but I think on average it probably is somewhat similar in some sense to your little graph.

I'm at like a 5 or 6/10 most days, gotta push through.

>>1806270
>The eye farther away is bigger, because you spent more time on it

Dem symbols

0/10
for me, enjoyment is equal to staying in comfort zone
when I am going out of it, I struggle, it still looks like shit and I am angry

I still try to leave comfort zone as much as possible, even if its so frustrating

>>1806351
>He doesn't like expanding his skills and improving

Why did you even start drawing? Post something for us

>>1806351
The first step of going out of your comfort zone is actually the hardest. After that it's pretty fun. What the hell are you doing? There is no time for refinement if you permanently switch your subject.

>>1806356

No I kind of see where he's coming from.

>>1806351

You're pretty much a beginner, no?

>>1806356
But I do enjoy that immensely, but the first few times when trying something new are a torture. Pic related I just sketched an hour ago
>>1806368
Yes, a beginner. About a year in

>>1806343
ey nigga, I dig them hatches. Please post progress in the draw thread so I can lick that shit with my eyeballs later

>>1806378
oh lawd..
I'd suggest you do some female nude studies, they help a fuck ton with construction, plus it'll help you get away from the generic animu style.
As for specifics, her hips aren't pointing the same direction as her torso- make sure the core of the body is aligned in the same direction as she's facing in this pose.

8/10 on a good day.

5/10 on a bad day.

This was a bad day.

I feel similar to >>1806351
But it's not about wether drawing is enjoyable or not. The act of drawing itself has no meaning whatsoever.
At this point, all my enjoyment is directly tied to the results i get:

Good results = I'm enjoying myself
Bad results = I'm suffering

And it doesn't even necessary have to be good-looking results. What matters is wether i've shown SOME kind of improvement, no matter in what area. If i can see that, then i'm satisfied and generally in a good mood.
I don't ever remember it being any other way.

Pic isn't my latest piece but it's related. i remember being happy about her expression. this is maybe a 7.

>>1806243


0/10

Been doing 350 gestures per week (40 figures per day, 30 facials per day).

It frustrating how easily you can forget your visual library. I used to do some military stuff but I'm absolutely clueless about drawing them now.

>>1806410
>It frustrating how easily you can forget your visual library.
i know. it's horrifying how quickly you can lose your edge.
but if it helps: i found that i can always get back to the peak by just revisiting the subject for a few hours or days, depending on how long i slacked off.

>>1806387

Will do negro. I haven't worked in pen in earnest in a couple months, I forgot how much I like it.

>moar

>>1806415

>>1806410
That's why you are a pleb. You learn strong fundamentals to eventually gain some strong as fuck scanner eyes. Through this strong sense of form you will be able to draw everything by merely imagining the most memorable points like material, shape and color.

when things dosent go the way it should i always get so hot and i sweat i need to take a shower. lel.

>>1806243
I agree with your theory. I think I'm slowly inching past the midpoint of complete dissatisfaction with my own art. No samples because reasons.

>>1806419

How would one become strong with fundamentals? I do form and perspective exercises daily (rotating cubes/cylinders, drawing prisms, doing peter han exercises), but I'm wonder if there's additional exercises I could do?

>>1806442
What exactly did you forgot to draw? If you're good enough you can break apart everything.

>>1806442
don't listen to that faggot, he's living in a dream world. seriously, "scanner eyes" is a huge exaggeration.
it's normal to forget things. that's the reason why people use references as well.
let's say you study leopards intensively, and you get really good with them. of course you will forget some details if you don't keep drawing leopards. these are all complicated structures.

of course you will forget the details of a tank if you don't draw them all the time. that's just normal human memory. you won't ever completely forget it, but it's normal to lose your edge.

>>1806268
I don't think it skyrockets and plummets, I suppose that's the axis of symmetry .

>>1806457
You're a huge faggot.
For more complex structures you learn the whole construction of the subject. Learning them in depth will wire them hard into your brain, it's great for your drawings and your memory.

Also a Leopard and a Tank belong to a general structure, so you only have to learn it once to make a believable drawing.

If you're a fag who only studies what he sees instead of an in depth study about the material, mechanics, parts, color, shapes etc. it's obvious that you will forget it. But if you don't do half assed studies you will see that it will eventually pay off.

You will add the very basics to your visual library like material. shapes, mechanics, forms and structures and eventually you will have a good grasp of everything around you. If you're a retarded slacker who always just draws shapes with some basic form and light you will never gain the most valuable skills as an artist.

Don't underestimate drawing, faggot. It's because faggots like you that have a false sense of fundamentals that you practice only the things people parrot all the time, instead of exploring and observing the things for yourself. If you would think just for a second you would realize that you forget things because you half assed them. Keep believing that doodling is good enough instead of drilling down to the very bottom of the subject. Everything is logical and has rules to it. Scanner eyes are no exaggeration and I can't believe you never experienced it.

>>1806495
ok.
i do feel like i'm neglecting my study of different materials. sounds interesting.
still don't really buy the scanner eyes though. well, we'll see. thanks for the advice.

>>1806498
Take anatomy for example. Do hardcore studies about the skeleton, the muscles, the skin, the eyeballs etc. Learn the whole framework of the human body, how it grows, how it changes, how it varies.

Try to look at any human after that. You will scan them, it will come as natural as breathing. Every single layer of the human body depending on your studies. I'm sure you experienced similar cases before.

>>1806495
This.
I actually learned more from copying out of anatomy books than with copying diagrams like loomis and proko teach. Only brigman and Hampton come close to emphasizing the structures of the body in their diagrams without making it too complicated

>>1806506
no, i do know that, especially about anatomy.
but i still believe that your skill degrades if you stop practicing. it has happened many times with me. of course it's never permanent, it's just that i couldn't keep my best level like that without doing anything. anatomy is complicated so i always had to review before i got the feeling back after i lost it.
that being said, i am very messy in my studies as well as drawings, and my knowledge of anatomy isn't complete yet, so maybe that's just me.

>>1806506

Anatomy works for me since I practice anatomy 24/7, I'm just hoping that my knowledge of wouldn't reduce due to studying other subject matter extensively.

>>1806495

Yep, i agree with that guy. Or at least it worked for me but it's probably bylfar the best way to learn something.

Example how i was learning to draw rosses:
I have opened 2 or 3 images of rosses and word document.
now here is the trick: you don't draw what you see. You observe as good as you can, look at the basic shapes and study how rose mechanically works. Instead of drawing, you are putting down notes.
so i have:
- described basic shape of whole rose
-count leaves (i have probably spelled that wrong)
- described basic shape of leaves
- described how they are placed on the outer side and how in the inner/center
- WHY are they placed like that
- how do leaves act when rose is getting more and more open
...
...
More in details you describe, more details will remain in you memory.
to this stage, i didnt draw.
THEN i've closed the images, opened PS and start to draw. My memory is poor, believe me. My focus is even worse (i have sort of ADHD shit) but i was able to draw that fucking rose in any position i wanted. And in case i ecer forget how to draw any detail of rose, i open WORD file with rose description and then draw it.

This is just example for rosses but whenever i did study that way, believe me, it remained in my fucking head for ever.

it takes time. It can take you an hour or two for a fucking rose and 5 or 10 hours for skull but you will be able to draw and paint that rose or skull for the rest of your life without opening any references.

i am one of the guys who have all day time for drawing and i can copy anything what i see prety decent. But all that copying didn't learn me a shit except how to copy.

i don't ever do a copy. Even when i do a master study, i do a STUDY, not copy.
I spend an hour or two on a painting just to descri e it like that rose, then close the painting and do my own with that knowledge/thinking.

again... if you really want to fix somethi g in memory fir the rest of your life, OBSERVE and STUDY things.

What the fuck are you guys even doing all day when you don't do detailed subject studies?
I thought this was common practice. Do you fags honestly just draw from life or from any reference without questioning why things work like they work? Do you just pretend to construct things without knowing about the structure?

So first we got symbol drawing, people eventually learn to observe, and that's it? No, because they never learn to observe. Observing is the most important skill for a reason. Sit your ass down, don't immediately pick up your pencil, don't just draw some gesture lines, don't pretend that simply doing this over and over will improve your skill.

There are no cheats or shortcuts, that is true. It's just hard enough to go the straight way, use your head to find the straight way. Don't just mindlessly draw one line after another. Put some thought into everything you do.

>>1806539

I'm not here to judge but judging what can be seen on /ic at least 90% of people do just what you have wrote, putting down linesmindlesly. They sketch and scribble in hope it will "work out" so when it does work out, you can only call it happy acident.
I'm not talking about drawing skill (line quality) but about knowledge you have about shit you draw. And it seems most of them don't have a fucking idea what they are trying to draw and how wi they achieve it.
they don't even have a story or a damn reason to draw. They just sit down and scribble.
and that leads to frustration. And this is a fucking reason why there is new "motivation", "should i stop drawing" and threads like that every single day.
and that only leads to one thing: QUITING.

no i structional books or even books like "art and fear", "the art spirit" won't help you.

Guys are waaay to focused on style. Copying others. And then they hate themselfs because it's not original,they become copycats and that's all they can do - copy

>>1806539
you may want to step off that soapbox. what you're saying isn't anything new at all.
but apparently you think that knowledge will stay fresh in your mind forever even when you don't use it. which i don't quite believe. but hey, good for you.

>>1806564

I'm not the guy you are replying to but as far your answer goes i can only suggest you to read a thing or two on how memory work. How short and long-term memory works

>>1806568
just curious, but can i see your figures?
or anything?

>>1806539

The workload becomes bigger depending on the medium you do. Ever wonder why most concept artists don't bother with traditional animation at all?