/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1804688

this is where i'm at now. lol it's so stupid...

>>1804688
>red and blue "3D"

that shit is old grey is the new in 3D

>>1804690
your brushwork is great, fix the ocean though, its just one gradient and also its like to straight of a line which is unnatural, you could probably fix that by adding some rocks on the horizon line

Progress from >>1802600

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>>1803085
>>1803100
>>1804373
Thanks for the support guys! Seriously :)

>>1804736

How's my rendering?

>>1804736
could you post the photo your copying

>>1804758
Heh

>>1804767
It was posted in the 30m study thread, exactly here >>1795145

Btw this is the progress from >>1802678

>>1804798

>>1804736
>>1804794
These turned out great, honestly (I could fall for that lady). Congratulations.

Do you have a website or something?

>>1804799

>>1804736
>>1804794
Great feeling but it's rather disheartening that you just aimed to make an identical copy of a photography, instead of using it and elaborating on it to do something really yours.

doing a study.

drawing a scrunched paper bag from life.
fucking mind torture.

its not even 1/3 done.

>>1804800
Thanks, I'm still working on both though.

My sites atm are.

>firez-tbr.tumblr.com

It contains finished, wip and incomplete works, sketches, language study notes (mostly Japanese and French) and my attempts at making music.

>firez-da.deviantart.com

Just finished stuff.

>>1804806
I strive to understand the underlying form, how the light falls and why the composition works by rendering as far as I'm able to. I think I've never done a study just to understand a single aspect of the reference.

However pic related is original. I was going to wait a bit more to post its progress but since you brought the topic...

Last revision was posted here: >>1801251

I changed the pupils and made the eyes considerably deeper, it has some other minor changes too.

Overall I think(hope) it looks considerably less uncanny than last time

MOUNTAIN IS FOR TROLLS; TAKE SILLY TINY SWORD AND LEAVE

>>1804690
its not stupid, its 10 times more interesting than it was without that pearl :^)

now when I look a it, my brain poses many questions, why is it there, whats in it, who put it there, is it an egg.. etc etc. That's what art is, tickling the viewers brain.

It needs to drop shadow onto the ground bellow it, or to create a feeling of being grounded there in some other way

>>1804799
I like

>>1804806
>FiRez
>creativity

Ayy lmao.

>>1804894
I think he has really low testosterone levels, as many others here

>>1804840
>>1804799
>>1804815
see these guys have high testo

>>1804690
Pearl Highlight is inconsistent with the shadows cast by the wall.

>>1804896
What does testosterone even have to do with this?
>inb4 pseudoscience

>>1804907
I have no scientific proofs, but my own experiences only.

When my testo is low I tend to be less decisive, meek, which results in weak pieces, you can feel it in everything that firez shows, passionless scratching and mingling for hours, inability to care of obvious mistake in fear of ruining what he already put into it. This anemic approach of firez results into slow skill progression.

>>1804920
I think this is the most stupid post I've read all week.

>>1804736
nice STUDY

Man I still have trouble starting a painting I don't want to use lines because I ain't that good with them [spoileron/ic/] I'm not saying I'm good at painting either[/spoileron/ic/]

>>1804946
>don't want to use lines because I ain't that good with them
So, in short you can't draw. You won't get absolutely anywhere if you can't draw.

>>1804955
painters dont need drawing

>>1804958
. . .

I'm speechless.

>>1804833
lololol thats maria isnt it

>>1804962
prove me otherwise

>>1804958
"Painting is drawing, any Anon who says painters don't need drawing is full of shit" - Robert Henri, The Art Spirit

>>1804955
I'm trying to learn both obviously but I just want to do that whole "starting without lines" painting kind of thing

>>1804967
I can confirm that that is a real quote from the book

>>1804966

Its not that you'll need it, its just that its a lot easier to work with lines beforehand. The fact that you said you're having trouble painting could probably be alleviated with using lines.

>>1804966
No, it is you who has to show even one capable realistic painter in history who doesn't display drawing skills. You're so incredibly lost it's unbelievable. Descriptive drawing, understood as a trompe l'oeil artifact based on lines (and, derivatively, shades) that collapses a 3D input into an 2D convincing equivalent, is the very foundation of image as the specific problem of the art of painting (sculpting is different, though drawing also helps to it immensely). It's pathetic to see that people who don't even get that pretend to ever become competent artists, and even take pride on it.

Unless you just want to do Bob Ross formulaic iconic crap, you absolutely need to be able to draw in order to paint.

>>1804958

lol...

>>1804979
>people actually believe this

>>1804840
this is incredible

>>1804981
Prove him wrong with you awesome drawless work, mate.

>>1804761
DISNEY TIER!

>>1804761
fucking sammich and the bird on top

This are some of the concept sketches I used for a past commission.

>>1804990
This was the final result, after several proposes I did for them. It was meant to be the poster for an indie movie. The director said he liked it but for some reason it wasn't used in the end. That felt bad.

>>1804992
did he at least pay you?

>>1804993
Yeah, at least. Not much though (about 230 USD)

>>1804990
that smiling girl

you are amazing

>>1804992
it was a pedo movie, wasn't it?

>>1804999
its a movie about two brothers, when they grow up one become a tranny and they love each other. Film delves into moral and ethical difficulties that arise between them.

>>1804981
Drawing is not just the process of showing form with lines. If you were to paint anything with any sort of structure, that exists in 3 dimensional space, you need drawing to do so. Painting a house in perspective, correctly defining its edges etc is also called drawing. Even when you do it with a brush instead of a pencil. Without drawing, you can't do anything that requires structure and perspective. You might get away with not being able to draw by doing only naturalistic landscapes where no object has vanishing points, but that hardly makes you a good painter.

>>1804998
Wow. Thanks.

>>1804999
>>1805000
lol, no. Actually it really was a movie about two brothers in a trip looking for their suicidal mother. It did involved incest, but not between the brothers.

>>1804981
>being this retarded

>>1805004
>being this retarded

>>1805003
>It did involved incest, but not between the brothers.
i didn't think it was between brothers when i asked. i saw the little girl on the poster and in your sketches, that usually implies cp.

>>1805002
you couldn't be misinformed more

>>1805013
I'd like to hear how so.

He (or they) are absolutely right: disregard the specific plastic media the final render is made through, drawing is the basis for the groundwork/structure needed to make any realistic piece, as it is what allows you to organize your 2D topology as a 3D emulous.

Have these threads always being so decadent? This polemic is pitiful even for a beginners thread, which this is supposedly not.

>>1805013
His opinion while badly stated is still correct.

Painting is drawing, there is no realist painter who can't draw just as well.

>"But I can paint real and my drawings sux dig :DD"
Com'on anon your art is probably subpar

drawing was invented so that art schools could make more money by teaching something really hard and time consuming.

>>1805026
0/10

>>1805026

haha. would be an interesting hypothesis if they actually still thought it. but they don't. nerd.

>>1805039
>thought

in east europe they do

Just pooping all over the canvas, because of lack of inspiration.

>>1805042
Go outside then, nerd

>>1805043
Oh, look, the summer is showing.
It's over 30 C° outside and impossible to breathe, so no, nerd. lel

>>1805046
you are a nerd because your body is weak, it can't take that temperature because it never had a chance to adapt. go outside you fucking loser.

>>1805046
>>1805042
you must have very low testo

>>1805046
That's the dumbest excuse.

Go outside anyway, just wear a pair of shorts only.

>Tan Gains
>Art Gains

Unless your body image is shit because your flabby in this case try exercising your body, get a gym membership and start lifting. Having a good body will result in a better brain. This is fact

>>1805047
Also this lol

>>1805049
low testo faggies always looking for excuses of why they cant move their fat butt.

>>1805057
>>1805051
>>1805049
lolwat. Are you samefagging? Get your confidence in getting gud instead of convincing others that they're bad.

>>1805059
It's some /fit/faggot trying to force their stupid as shit meme onto this board.

>>1805042
see why you guys have to learn to draw?
that sucks in every possible way

>>1805059
nice try, commie

Thoughts on this?
btw 3 has the "hood" to generate more heat when on land

>>1805064

give a nigga a break. making bad art is a prerequisite for making good art.

>>1805069
cant read the text
why you spend so much time on finding the prettiest font + textured background when the concepts are pretty dull and pretty weak in technique

>>1805068

thefuck are followers?

>>1805075
>being this new

>>1805078

fucking say fag

>>1805073
thats 5 min work vs the 5 hours i spend on the design.:\

I'm quite new to design, so for now im just trying to make it function instead of making it look unique.

And i don't want to put in time making it look good if the designs arent good enough or critiqued yet...

1 is amphibian species 2 mammal, 3 reptilian.

>>1805080
fag

why he wore pants, no one knew, being a robot and all.

But yeah, sketchybusiness.

>>1805088
nice, high testo levels here

>>1804946
Copying the shadow shapes and negative spaces is a good way to approach studies. You definitely don't need to use lines, however try to imitate the angles between landmark points as you go which is part of the reason why people do line work beforehand.

>>1804964
I think I can see some ressemblance but it wasn't intentional.

ugh

>>1805164
It's a good approach if you want to be a better photocopier. Construction is the best approach if you want to learn to create your own works.

>>1805187
Giraffe neck
Tumblr nose
Fat head

>>1805193
>It's a good approach if you want to be a better photocopier
where does /ic/ get these ideas

>>1805187
kek

>>1805204
Few are qualified to teach, so all they can offer is either anecdotal for based off a small sampling of approaches.

My guess is the fear of accurate observational drawing comes from some mix of:
-People being afraid of being labelled a photocopier
-People thinking using a reference is cheating
-People who recently learned about construction and form, yet forgot about the importance of accurate observation
-People regurgitating tehmeh when he said you can copy photos and never learn anything
-People who are bored and trolling

>>1805253
>People regurgitating tehmeh when he said you can copy photos and never learn anything

He's right though, time much better spent doing the same from life

>>1805256
I didn't mean to imply he was wrong, just that people take that and extrapolate too much - i.e. that you won't learn anything involving direct observation.

Friend requested drawing her riding a octopus.

Rarely draw animals or females so this ones a challenge. Just doing the basic sketch now.

Friend requested a picture of her riding a octopus.

I rarely draw animals, or females, so this should be a challenge. Just working on the basic sketch now.

Friend requested a picture of her riding a octopus.

I rarely draw animals, or females, so this should be a challenge. Just working on the basic sketch now.

>>1805208
10/10 would irrumate

Critique me gents

Sorry for shitty photo and really sloppy hatching. I'm most interested in errors in construction, perspective, and how the light is hitting the figure (it's meant to be above, to the right, and behind - really had trouble with shading the tails). Thanks. I used some pictures of Scorpioness Najka from dark souls as reference, if anyone is familiar. Was gonna do a female torso but I couldn't get the breasts to look decent.

>>1805287
octopus's left eye looks too low - like it's not wrapping around the head.

>>1805301

Thanks, Il fix that.

>>1804688

direction im thinking of going now. probably will chicken out of painting the dude in the fg, and will just add props in foreground and the 2 silhouettes praying infront of the sphere

thx for all the help so far

>>1805316
That's pretty neat, except that it would really help you to finally learn to draw. You need more than nice colors to make a good painting.
It will be 100 % better if you don't remove that guy and make his values darker, please try it.
I also think that the composition is slightly too heavy on that second third part, maybe add another little yellow hill to the left.
Please study some more and I will be a big fan of yours.

>>1805253
Copying shapes (2d) is useless unless you understand the three dimensional form.

If you want to be a concept artist, understanding form is the most important thing other than design ability. You won't build your ability by copying, you build it by interpreting and recreating 3d forms. That is the main thing. If you want to use shapes to set this up, be my guest, but copying alone will get a beginner nowhere.

The structure of the mask is really giving me trouble. That shadow on the left side of it (our right) just doesn't seem right. I think I'm trying to imply angles in the mask that might not actually be there. I dunno.

Any thoughts?

>>1805391
I like the style, but for me the blue light is the hardest one. Maybe its too strong, but it doesn't create the illusion straight away. Also mask has so different tone, that I didn't even realise it first.

I'm not the right person to talk about that mask, but I could point out that our right-side ear doesn't have a shadow at all. Yet left has against the light coming from left. I don't also get the shadows on the base of the ears, they're bit like nowhere, like blobs.

But keep working on it, I do like it.

>>1805316
The lack of unity in the elements that make up the storytelling of the picture is what really kills it for me.

Its a warrior salesman person standing inside what looks like a part of a city but it appears to be at the edge of the world. There is a pope type and a close enough guy looking at a gigantic orb that has a highlight that contradicts the shading of the foreground as far as I can see.

I don't know if you spent forever trying to recreate the Shaddy method on the landscape in the background or if you slapped a picture in there. In the end it all looks disconnected and the design of the elements as a whole lacks a unifying element.

I like the orb but as a element of the picture it does Nothing. it just makes it look like students work because you implemented a fundamental practice.

Experimentation

>>1805088
Solid, though the comp is a bit cramped is it a crop?

>>1805387
Just draw from memory, go and look and then go and draw from memory, go back and forth a bit spend more time looking less time drawing.

>>1805391
Do you have a kneaded eraser? Try and sculpt what your doing and then get the lightning information from that. Your approach is so brush heavy that to redo and area takes a long time. Maybe spend more time planning before you jump in.

Neck stands out the most, it's a very odd shape (perfect straight line) compare to the rest.

>>1805400
Thanks a bunch, that was really helpful! The lighting in this one is really wonky and your feedback was just what I'm looking for. Thanks again.

>>1805404
Redoing anything is no problem really. It's just a brush setting with low flow that I go over stuff with. I'll try and look for some sort of reference which I didn't really do.

Calling it done.

>>1805418
nice.

tumblr?

Wish I knew how to paint.

>>1805420
agentmelon on tumblr

>>1805427
or how to post pictures for that matter

>>1805418
Very nice. I can only suggest that it could use some more contrast though, it looks a bit washed out. Pic related, upped the contrast levels a bit.

>>1805297

One of the most easiest and forgiving boss fights in dark souls 2.

>>1805443

>playing vidya (except for dota)
>wanting to make it in art

NOPE. NOPENOPENOPE.

>>1803505
sorta done

>>1805445
What are you

>>1805448
4chan plz upload my files ...

>>1805445
But dota is shit and so is the community

>>1805253
Within the maremagnum of legitimately idiotic comments and trashy pics, did you just really call the advocators of drawing bored trolls?

I'm outta here.

>>1805452
lol that is one huuuuge file, it's 1500x1500 max.

and nb. in general you shouldn't be making a file of that resolution freely available, you don't suck and if you're unlucky someone will steal it.

I did this yesterday updating a drawing I did several years ago.

>>1805462
total crap

>>1805467
wow, thanks. dick.

>>1805468
Sorry for not liking your total crap

>>1805469
which one did you do?

>>1805470
You wanna see my work?

>>1805475
I'm just going to call it crap, so it's up to you. Even if it is genuinely good, I'll say it's crap.

>>1805476
That won't deter me from not posting it. Too good for you vuv

>>1805441
Your monitors contrast must be dreadful.

>>1805452

great piece. what most hurts it imo is perspective issues and a certain high-contrast-yet-muddy rendering of the slain knights armor

>>1805477
you're such a dork

>>1805326

thanks man, im actually as shit at drawing as those doodles make it look. i just never really bother with drawing things nicely when trying to find a composition. thanks for tips and man... reading that feels all kinds of amazing. i'll never stop studying, i hope.

>>1805401
yeah i see what you mean. trying to handle that atm. i paint object after object so not only do they initially feel copy pasted but are almost always rendered/painted completely differently, which is pretty terrible imo. the idea was that these are sort of inca/maya/aztec dudes in awe of some alien looking artifact.

>>1805404
awesome. i would feel a strong urge to drop a cold rim light on that, just to see what happens.

Sketching out the central character for a gallery piece I'm doing

Any thoughts so far? the final piece will be charcoal
How can I make her look more realistic?
this is a figure without a reference and it's my first time attempting to create someone from imagination

>>1805486
The eyes are off

>>1802246
try draw landscape

>>1805486
id make the nose more pointy
and that one lock of hair needs to settle somewhere else

>>1805462
I like this

>>1805489
What program did you draw this with? I like it

once again i realize how badly my lack of thumbnailing and establishing a strong composition prior to painting hurts my image. find myself pushing around levels everywhere to keep the contrast from exploding all over the place.

>>1805493
Yeah man ur skills are bomb but that's a fuckin' eyesore of a composition. You'll remedy that quickly though since you're competent.

This is probably a waste of time, but I drew this skink dropping LSD and then scanned it in and played around with it on photoshop, I kinda liked it and started considering making some more in the same vein (tamandua snorting coke? sloth with a joint? japanese spider crab on dmt?) with different colour cues other than blue for each. Do you think it's a visual idea worth anything?

>>1805489
What's the point of doing a landscape study if you aren't even bothering with any kind of edge control, observing the colours, nor capturing the forms?

Something about this looks incredibly wrong, but I can't tell what, help?

>>1805486
>>1805488
>>1805490

These little issues are symptoms of a general, and serious problem, which is a lack of construction - that is, the placement and description of the features and the hair are not sensitive to the volume and orientation of the head. I did a crappy redline to show how the features are misplaced on the head according to the head's orientation (left). If you draw the head according to the current placement of the features, you'll see that it's pretty much head-on, and you can see that the head in your drawing bulges way out to the right.

>>1805518
forgot the pic..

>>1805508

this. clipping masks are awesome but it's too early for you to use them so abusively. find joy in painting, as if you were working traditionally. set your brush to 95% opacity, and set transfer to only affect flow (via pen pressure) with a minimum flow of ~40%. this gives you a nice amount of pressure control without making the brush very transparent, which imo hurts rookies quite a bit (and increases risk of tendonitis). and then just take your time, and tackel the image in stages. don't try to figure out a fast efficient workflow just yet.

it's hard, we know. you want to get it to look good fast, we've all been there.

>>1805493
Your first idea was pure and good. If you're really going to keep that absurd pearl or whatever it is, smooth its edges conveniently and decrease contrast/saturation so it actually looks far away.

>>1805521
Thanks anon this helps a ton

>>1805489

A crazy frenzy of strokes and masks probably helped you get a loose impression of it in no time at all, but if you want to continue the painting you have to work around, paint over or undo all of those strokes since it's a very poor base. I would have started with the darkest values on that arch, and then build it up and make it pop with where it's catching the light.

>>1805514
It's muddy and flat because it doesn't have a groundwork structure. It's always the same problem with all you guys in denial here who idiotically insist not to draw. But go you way. DA people might love your shit.

>>1805492
photoshop
>>1805531
>>1805508
>>1805523
Thank you, guys.

still very early on this. i plan to actually, you know, do the lineart properly and stuff, it's just that color test went a bit too far.
i like the composition, but i'm still not too sure on the colors

looks a ton better, thanks

I'll never get how artists (especially the Japanese) keep their work clean when it comes to exterior buildings and the like. It's extremely frustrating to me, especially with the all the lines and not knowing if I need to have them in the painting or not.

How'm I doin /ic/?

>>1805441
I agree about the contrast, but this is just way too much.

>>1805452
shemale

>>1804688
Would like to hear what I am doing right/wrong.

>>1805567
Lasso tool. At least that's my guess. Check Algenpfleger's livestream or whatever.

>>1805574
The hip area bothers me for some reason. It doesn't seem natural.

>>1805287

Progress.

Womens faces are incredibly difficult for me. Decided to just use a placeholder until I render it.

>>1805574

Her eyes are too close, the one on her right should be further out, generally the tearduct lines up roughly with the outer edge of the nostril.

>>1804688

its fun

>>1805631
is she supposed to be cross-eyed? it almost looks intentional to me

>>1804688
Sansa hitting a bong
please
please

>pic related

>>1805667
>3. Requests for free work of any sort are forbidden.

I drew a dumb tree and a bunch of lines.

>>1805673
I apologize I didn't read the rules,
is it okay if I post a painting?

>>1805683
lines look great.


do i perhaps detect a bit of mignola influence in that tree?

>>1805687

Probably. I like heavy drop shadows and enjoy Mike's art.

It's an unintentional influenced addition.

>>1805654

Ha, no I just didn't align the pupril/iris properly so its looks crosseyed. Il fix it.

Yup still goin. Yup, it's still drivin me nuts. I think everything's the right color, then I flip back to the real painting and one patch of grass is actually more yellow than green, so I go back to make it green, flip it between my study and the real thing and suddenly it looks too green. This has all been hard round brush, save for the gradual, subtle shift in hue on the big cloud from left to right just above the horizon line.

>>1804992
>>1804990
absolutely gorgeous do you have a site?

>>1805729
dont worry, that struggle means that your eye is learning

hey everyone im a dumb idiot who does dumb things like stare at a wall and play with my own poo and I was wondering if you could teach me how to draw. ill give you my address and you come over and we spend the entire day drawing. yes or no? if not that's ok. ill find someone.

Been tinkering with this in between projects for a while.

i need a lot of depth in this cloudscape and heavy value use for a bg for an illustration, can anyone point me in the right direction because i have no idea what i'm doing?

>>1805802
i'm trying to make almost like a tunnel effect.

that's a cool horse painting. I would add some wings if that looks better. its like an evil unicorn or something. good job even without the wings.

>>1805804
hahaha Horse painting! now I can't see anything but an evil buck-toothed horse!

I remember my first drawing. It was a stick man version of me and I also drew a couch, tv, a little dog I always wanted but never got and a bird I never got and a mouse because I always saw them around the house and a sandwich because that's my favorite food of all time.

once I drew an entire farm with all different animals and I remember looking away and standing up and had a really bad headrush and I guess fell and woke up in a hospital. I had to get surgery on the back of my head to neck inbetween area and was apparently almost dead because I fell and smashed my head on the corner of a table behind my chair.
so that really happened and the drawing was good but I don't have it anymore.

>>1804688
Not sure how I feel about this

Just got my new tablet and it works SO Great but I'm having troubles with sensitivity and the crispness of the lines and colors so I don't know

hopefully I'll learn over time

and yeah I know the background is probably hard to look at, just didn't like giving it a plain white background so I messed around a bit

should i even continue?
1st time drawing without any refs in a long time.

what do you think of my creature?

>>1805833
yep looks good

what type of pencils are best for a beginner who just decided one day 'im going to learn to draw' and is willing to if you can help me. list the best ones and ill get started. I was always amazed by nature paintings anything to do with nature so if you can tell me the ones I use for that I would appreciate it. thanks.

>>1805838
what does your creature think of me ?

>>1805802
That looks like absolutely nothing.
Watch some actual clouds and draw them to practice.

>>1805844
It likes you

Any help will be appreciated

feels like im loosing all values , any help?

good job on the paintings everyone omg the detail and perfect shading and unfinished sketches of dragons and so much talent omg this is amazing how can anyone be so good at this and so much constant inspiration and so talented so nice and kind and a serious thinker so much imagination with endless ideas and so much time devoted to art so wonderful I wish you well on your journey to becoming the greatest artist in the history of the world and be the best ever. youre so gentle and kind.

Is it a good thing to trace over your own work? Does anyone else do this? I did this

o man so much talent inspiration is the greatest joy in the world and makes me wish I was this talented so I could be cool like all of you.

>>1805860
one day anon, hugs all round!!

how do you draw so good its amazing to me its so detailed its incredible and so much talent that it almost makes me sad because I know ill never be that good and thinking is hurting my brain now

I heard you need a steady hand to be able to draw really good and obviously makes sense and is there a way to make the hand more steady. maybe some exercise that can improve the hand sensitivity so I can finally draw and not suck.

I usually masturbate really fast. does this help?

>>1805872
freehand straight lines and perfect circles and ellipses help.

its gone full mud ..has'nt it?

>>1805880
clean whites and colors help againstmud.

if no save, just flatten and try again

yesterday I called an art supply store and I was like I need pencils and a meter of paint and he was like what a meter you mean a liter and I was feeling stupid at this point because I realised it is liter and not the way I thought a meter so then I went over there and I got my liter of paint and that was it.

>>1805884
it's litre and metre.

now I see true art

I cant draw its frustrating and eats me alive not knowing how good I could've been if I started a long time ago and im so sad.

>>1805890
its not when you started its how much you do a day.

art is the best i love art and im glad i started because i know how good it feels to draw something youre proud of and looks nice and without art i would never feel this way at all and that's why arts so amazing.

>>1805890

Doesn't matter if its a day or ten years, you'll go no where without the right attitude m8 , keep your chin up and enjoy the improvement you make instead of getting angsty over what could've been.

The art-gains you could've made over a hypothetical 5 year early start could probably be made in a year of dedication.

progress,
also, is there a limit on how many progressions i can post??

>tumblr worthy now i think

>>1805899
I find it interesting with the constant updates, besides its better than letting that rambling anon shit up the thread.

What direction are you going to take this in? The clouds look stylized yet the trees and his rendering are a bit muddy.

Also its not tumblrcore until you get some more red on that nose.

>>1805901
well, the idea is a warrior wearing one of them red masks, gotta make the mask more..masky.
and i dont know how to un mud the trees...

ok ill try but im not expecting anything great to happen but ok ill try ill give it about a year of everyday practice and eventually ill be probably good and then ill post the drawings on here and see if you like it ill never forget this moment because now i feel inspired and ready to go. thank you.

art is like a pleasant and incurable disease that feels like the greatest feeling you can imagine whenever youre thinking about what to draw and to be an artist is to have this disease and forever feel its need when creating my vision.

the more you draw the better you get makes perfect sense thanks

can anyone donate money please i need new supplies and have no job and come over donate please i need all the help and i need this so bad

ill give you my email and well meet so you can give me money and then ill be able to draw please and thank you

>>1805924
>>1805922
how much is a cheap sketch pad and a pencil?
like...10 US dollars tops...
just dont buy smokes for one or 2 days..

>>1805930
dont talk to that weird soft troll man.

>>1805899
done with this... dont know how to save trees without chopping them out completely.

>>1805938
coolio, looks like something you can revisit later when you're a little more experienced.

not that it's terrible, the drawing especially was good.

looks good the way it is. leave it so you don't destroy it and end up with an even worse drawing or maybe a throwaway all together just don't touch it for now.

why is there poo all over the trees? trees are not like that and this drawing is terrible. please leave the site sir. nobody wants to hear you explaining your corrections. goodbye sir.

sorry i meant read your explained corrections im used to talking not typing on a computer

Designing my chest tattoo. No where near finished.
Give 100% honest feedback.

>>1805964
>roses and crosses
cliche.

>>1805965
Thank you.

the cross is cool. you should also draw in jesus dressed in a sexy womens outfit with a stripper pole on the top point of the cross with random men throwing money at him and laughing like theyre having a good time.

>>1805972
You should try quoting the posts you're replying to, you fucking retard.

find a good tattoo artist if that much detail is to much for whoever youre going to get your tattoo done by.

don't swear im only 13 im a child don't you have feelings? just because you grew up to be an enormous failure doesn't mean you need to also pull me down with you and grow up to be a rude person and swear like you.

youre an adult you should know better than to swear around young boys and girls and turn them into failures. your life is shit and if you ever saw a mentally challenged person you wouldn't call them a retard because what theyre going through is serious and carelessness is something i take very serious. don't ever swear again or i will come over there and teach you some manners.

little bitch complaining about swearing what a pussy hey pussy fuck you

>>1805942
>>1805950
thank you both for input, as you can prob tell i am new to colour theory.

no problem anytime. post more incase you need more evaluations since youre in desperate need of criticism and a guide to provide instructions for artwork improvement. like i said anytime just ask.

>>1805964
I work as a tattoo artist, and I am only saying this so you have someone who has seen this kind of thing, being 100% honest and direct to you about this stuff. Do not bring that into a tattoo artist. It's just not good. I understand you want to do something you thought of and you probably put your best into it. But this shit is going on your skin. Leave the designing to the professionals. Just find an artist you really like, that specializes in the things you enjoy looking at, and ask them to draw you up something. It will save you alot of time and money because you will end up getting that shit removed in a few years.

can anyone paint something like this? but right now really quick. is there anyone here that good?

yeah don't do it yourself youre just going to mess up your skin and spending money is worth it because not having a shitty tattoo is obviously better than not doing it yourself or not having one at all. its a difficult choice but if you insist you can do it alone then go for it. post results.

sorry i meant doing it yourself

>>1805990
idk man, if he wants a rose and a cross how much better could a simple design really be.

>>1805994
for 100 aus dollars i can

>>1805960
>dont know how to save trees
stay pleb

>>1805994

>>1805645

Good tip, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.

depends where it is too. if its on your opposite arm than youre ok because the only problem you have then is looking into a mirror and a further reason to just pay an artist and have it done properly unless youre really good.

good job on your painting looks like some blurry photoshop effect but its art either way you did your best and that's all that matters

>>1806019
no i didn't, i scribbled out a tree and then fucked with layer effects until all the original marks were gone, so it looked like a filtered photo. thus implanting the idea of a photo into your mind, thus making it 'photorealism'. is trumps all round.

wow sorry that must of took a long time and not photoshopped wow and can you draw one that's identical to the picture and also can you draw it normally and not have the like i said blurry water running through my eyes but im trying to keep them open look to it and also make the clouds detailed and not looking just simple.

make sure to shade in the tree sunlight relationship with detail but not too bright or it will look horrible

don't worry about time just make it as detailed as possible. the thread will most likely be here so you can post results anytime so don't worry take your time just make sure you end up with a nice drawing. goodluck i must go to sleep.

>>1806025
>>1806028
>>1806030

Not him, but are you fucking retarded? That guy was clearly fucking with you. No one is doing your stupid request as this is not a request thread. Pay someone and it will be done.

>>1806032
don't get all upset. it's just a troll. every move is calculated to annoy.

i already told you im 13 don't swear or im going to end up just like you. huge giant enormous failure in life with no manners and proper behavior and be looked at as a moron loser who nobody likes.

do you want that to happen to me? do you have any feelings at all? youre looking as good as nothing right now because you just destroyed a 13 year olds hopes of having a normal life. whats wrong with you?

>>1806032
>being this low testo
im sorry for your LOW TESTO ):^(

theres a difference between saying swear words that are bad and the ones that are really bad and you just typed the really bad f word and one that's not so bad but still an insult to mentally challenged people and that's the r word so don't say either one anymore unless youre cruel and want to pull me down into a troubling spiral full of depression, sadness and broken dreams you call a life and forever ruin my innocent life. i don't deserve this.

>>1806043

tfw confirmed high test
tfw naturally lean and muscular
tfw huge dick, insane sasquatch body hair growth
tfw balding since age 16
tfw acne, acne everywhere
tfw prostate cancer risk increased
tfw gyno since age 18

anyways im going to bed ill try not to think of this nonsense even though im pretty sure im scarred for life just reading the f word and might make sleep much more difficult than i thought

I have lots of fun with photoshop filters.

>>1806052
all i see are phallic shapes
do i have low testo?

So, I've been practicing anatomy and mixing ink into drawings. What do ya think?

>>1806059
Another drawing, still in progress tho.

>>1806059
his right leg is a completely different size than his left.

>>1806062
You mean his thigh or..?

>>1806061
And the last one I'm working on

>>1806065
no, the entire leg, feet included.

>>1806075
Ok, thanks, I'll fix that

i just hope i'll get better.

wat do

Shitty phone picture

>>1806145
Put some people/robot/liveforms in there.

>>1806103

you wont get better by just hoping.

>>1806145
Dude, that is just fantastic!
My advice is to put less contrast and details in the objects that are further in the picture and add more of in the foreground (I hope it's understandable, I'm still kinda struggling with English)

>>1806103
I believe in you anon.

>>1806145
Add a walkway or figure something to give it a sense of scale? I'm not sure if its a closeup of futuristic technology or some architecture and although I'm a complete pleb (pic related) I hope my opinion is still helpful m8

Anyone have any advice for mine?

>>1806163
starting with anatomy kills the idea, you should have started with a loose sketch; considering the gesture, clothes, hair and background

pic related: this progression should only really be used in practicing/training/studying. There is really no need to highlight muscle insertions and bone like that, when its all going to be covered by fat and apparel. Simple forms would have been enough as a start, then you would proceed to develop the image as a whole, not just the figure.

Its more a problem of draftsmanship,
illustration =/= anatomy practice
illustration = anatomy application
You're treading on a grey area between
>i need to do anatomically correct studies
>but its boring and I want to make it interesting

I suppose that doesnt fix anything now, but keep that in mind next time

starting to hate this

>>1806224
I can see why. It's boring. Where is the story?

Make something happen, anon

>>1806220
Cheers m8 i'll definitely keep that in mind next time. Although it was all from imagination going full retard for the anatomy first did stunt it.

I was always wondering how people started an illustration properly, thanks.

>>1806224
You are adding random cap to a painting that had no purpose or idea behind it. Naturally it's gonna look like shit. Just stop working on this and next time THINK before you paint. Design a good composition and have a story and idea in mind. Adding a focal point as an afterthought will always result in crap. The rest of the painting is supposed to be created around the focal point, not the other way around.

holy shit at how much of a difference the guy in the foreground makes... dat dere sense of immersion. i feel like that's one of the big things that were missing. feel like i'm on track now

>>1806228
what story. who needs that shit :O :0 :o :| all about dem values and painterly brushstrokes

>>1806231
>no purpose or idea behind it
word. it's your fault though /ic/. you did this to me. not being entirely serious here...

>>1806238
Echoing anon: In the future you want to start with a clear idea, then develop thumbnails. What you're essentially doing now is rendering and altering a sketch. It's possible to end up with something that isn't terrible, but that's an approach to set you up for failure 9 times out of 10.

Read up on thumbnailing:
http://pastebin.com/fZM8NdBr
Don't let luck play a factor over something that you can and should have complete control over. Being mindful is key.

>>1806241

on the other hand this way anon ends up with a series of progress shots that can be made into an interesting as fuck process gif

>>1806238

First of all, sorry for butchering ur piece. I just think it has potential but has some major compositional issues. Try to add elements that lead the eye to the guy holding up that plate. Playing around a little with the light and shadow can help lot leading the eye.

>>1806238
It just feels empty, and begs the question 'Why?' in many different ways. Why is this stone patio out in the middle on nowhere? Why is that guy holding up his bowl? What are the people in the distance doing? What are the people close to us doing? And finally (of course), why is that big orb on the mountain? What is it?

See - there's a lot of stuff in your drawing that seems like it's trying to imply some sort of narrative or story, but it's just not happening right now. Nothing feels really unified, and the things happening in the scene are confusing.

I think this biggest issue is just how disconnected the scene on the stone patio is to the rest of the image. Also, add some shadows underneath the figures. They're just floating there.

I agree with >>1806231 , and I hope you see why. I agree with starting over on this one, and being more loose at the beginning and really fleshing out a scene and focal point, and to focus on an idea around that focal point before you in and tightly render the environment.

Hope that helps!

>>1806252
>>1806252
>>1806252
>>1806252
>>1806252

As this guy ( >>1806254 ) I was going to suggest a more vertical structure like this for the people to be in. This is a good paint over on how to make this piece more unified, dynamic, clear and interesting.

>>1806163
>>1806158
>>1806156


Thanks for the crits guys! I'll be doing that in a min..
Here's something ive been working on in the meantime..Crits and/or suggestions are more then welcome!

>>1806259
I can tell it's a WIP, but I've gotta say - keep on eye on that perspective. Some things are really wonky right now.

Other than that, this is my favorite piece in the thread. The orange + white structure is amazing, and the piece has a really unified feel to it. Great work!

What's that thingy in the background?

Brush pen practice. Haven't messed with these things in a while.

>>1806259

this is fucking awesome. who are you? why don't i know your tumblr

Anything wrong with the anatomy, specifically the legs before I start actually painting?

>>1806288
nice

>>1806313
I think the calves are too short, but other than that looks just fine

>>1806313
Heads don't look like that

>>1806339
you never know just how you look through other peoples eyes

>>1806352

0_0

my last piece of art

>>1806313
feet idk the heels make them appear smaller than what they are in length. oh that and the arms seem a bit uneven in size though it seems the anatomy is right as far as my knowledge. maybe add a little more detail to its left arm and make the wrist a tinny bit wider. othere than that seems fine.

>>1805574

still learning rock textures!
crits?

>>1806397
The pose is very awkward and stiff. It's lacking energy and momentum; the subject is walking forward, yet she's not tilting forward at all. The feet don't really looked grounded either. And the gesture in general could be better/

Overall you've got some nice anatomy and shading though. The neck could be a bit shorter though, and the face could use more shading so that it doesn't look so flat.

I hope this helps. Keep it up, anon.

>>1806444

Thanks.

>>1806397
There's something wrong with her hips... Her upper part is going left and her legs are going right, looks strange

tinkering tinkering

?

>>1806456
his pose is retarded.

>>1806452

True, I should've used reference I guess.

>>1806464

he is a 90's video game character.

>>1806458
All the love for Jamie Hewlett but how about you draw something you came out with yourself?

>>1806456
really nice composition, the brushwork looks laboured and unnatural. The guys pose is fine, its weird but i like it. Also the figure merges with the foliage behind when i blur my eyes, there need to be more of a value difference.

>>1806468
dosent matter what he is. why would he run up the stairs with sword and shield spread like he wanted to fly ?

>>1806469
I did tho.
Just trying to get the tank girl feel in a redesign.
can't get any better than Jamie but i can at least try to make it somewhat more function able.

>>1804690
really interesting but work on your edge control. pay attention to the color of an edge, and how the form turns and the quality of the light... every edge here is sharp and has no actual "edge" its just borders... when i look at the edges the picture looks very flat but when i tear my eyes away from them and look at the masses your rendering gives good form. get the sphere to not be so pasted in too and get it in the same light key/light direction and maybe consider opening the canvas up to the right just a tad to give the sphere room to breath.

cool picture overall

>>1806259
Big fan. Got a tumblr or something?
I'd actually love to the process of this.

>>1806456
y u never finish anything? Study the parts that make you stop working on a painting every time. And yes, change the dudes values and colors.

Was meant to be a colour study but ended up struggling with the poses for ages. Guy on the left still looks fucked but hey.

>>1806145
remember that light coming through holes gets refracted and gets dimmer, the smaller the hole the more refraction, so those little holes where we see the light of the sky between the pipes and junk on the left should be much dimmer. as a result, to the eye it looks like it is part of the mass instead of a hole in it, you have to darken it slightly to get it to recede the way it should. also the tubes spiraling up the pipes on the right are completely out of perspective and flat and i think its kind of a dumb idea anyway, a spiral just doesnt fit in with the other shapes you have going on imo. the perspective of the structure up at the top could be reinforced as well good job tho man the colors are pretty spot on for the most part, you got the light key established pretty damn well/the shadows and lights are separated cleanly and clearly and the design of the structure is cool. works as an concept enviro but if you want it to work on its own maybe a figure or two or something extra for interest

>>1806417
Looks very cartoony. Is that what you're going for?

birds.
why do i do these stupid long compositions.

>>1806584
woops, heres a smaller one, that can actually be viewed on a screen.

>>1806547

Thanks for the extended critique man, really really helpfull!
I'll put some more time in it, And yea, ur completely right. The ppt is super wonky and needs te be put in a proper grid.
I'll dump those spiraling things as well.. was playing around with smudge tool but it looks pretty shitty. I'll also add in some figures like other ppl suggestedand dim those little holes (not sure if its gonna work tho)

>>1806397

Thanks for all the crits so far, I'm just gonna finish this and try to do better next time.

>>1806585

REMOVE THE MAN ON THE RIGHT, HE RUINS THE SHOT, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY INTERESTING WITHOUT HIM THERE
soz for caps, you gotta work on your composition but the boats are helping with that slightly.

>>1806630

done.

>>1806545

is that the movie stealth?

god i want jessicabiel on my dick so bad id do anything

>>1806238
I'm loving this shit, don't stop, anon.

i usually never draw sceneries, so i thought ide have some fun, and crits/ suggestions are welcome, not done yet with it.

>>1806584
beautiful pallet :o

Having trouble decided on which color scheme to go with. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>>1806702
Really liking the middle one.

>>1806702
definatley middle. i would change the inside of the jacket color though

heres a smaller one, my bad.

>>1806702
>lunarcore
/fa/ pls go

>>1806702
middle

>>1806728
noh

>>1806706
>>1806709
>>1806735
Thanks, middle it is.

Takin a break from drawing a comic, feel like doing some watercolor. What should I draw?

>>1806742
A BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLY

>>1806742
porn of your comic characters.

crit?

>>1805187

halfway through i realised i shoulda used a softer brush rather than a textured one but..o well...thats how ya learn

>>1806787

Is that armor meant to be metallic because it lacks the reflective-ness of actual metal. It doesn't have to be mirror-shiny but having higher contrast on it might help.

>>1806810
it's reflectivity you fucking idiot

>>1806238
>what story. who needs that shit
Annnd, you killed it.

>>1806810
>>1806811
this wasn't me, and yeah, it's based on this pic but I am just learning to draw. I don't really know what I am supposed to do now. or if I did something out of order.

>>1806787
Stiff and boring. You should do a loose gesture drawing before anything else and then start blocking in the anatomy stuff. It looks so fucking dull, holy shit.

>>1806816
>>1806815

http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>1806813

he was obviously kidding you mong.

>>1806821
he was obviously kidding you faggot.

Am I going in the right direction on this one? Any tips? Everything is still pretty rough and sketchy but I might try to bring this one up to a decent level of polish just for fun. Looking for any fundamental problems that are fixable within in the context of the image. Composition might be fucked, but is there any way to alleviate it without starting from scratch, etc. Thanks!

>>1806827
looks okay. i don't know why people use a round brush in digital stuff, went out of fashion about 200 years ago in oil painting.

>>1806827
I'd up the darks a bit.

the bottom of the staircase is all dicked up but crits beyond that?

>>1806829
I actually guessed I might need to but my question would be where do I up the darks? I was really scared of putting more darks on the cliffs below the temple because I didn't want to bring them into the foreground and there aren't a ton of places that fall into shadow in the foreground.

>>1806565
yupp!

>>1806831
what you could do is go full frazetta on it in another layer and use that to help you decide.

>>1806830

Start paying more attention to the way things are positioned (particularly angles) and proportioned. Especially if you aren't intending to take liberties with the reference.

Basically, be more careful, note spacial relations/overlapping, and measure.

>>1806830
Looks like you got the angle on some of the stairs in the foreground wrong. All of yours look right about 90 and there is a slight slant in the reference picture, screws up your perspective. In fact a lot of the angles are off, the landing stairs ought to be more tilted too.

Please critique shoulders, neck and head or anything else that looks off.

>>1805625
Study the planes of the face to better decide where there should be light and shadow.

Something looks wrong, I don't know what it is.

>>1806831
A good place to start might be the inside of the temple. I'd play around to try making the focal points just stand out more.

Is taking a colour picture, trying to guess the values and then checking them against the actual values a good way to learn value?

>>1806863
can't hurt. although photos aren't 'the actual values'

>>1805734
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=2477953

Thanks.

>>1805734
Thanks.

Please just google 'elemile pixiv', cause for some reason my profile is now a banned URL here.

>>1805764
I like it, rendering so far turned out pleasant looking, and thumbnail looks good. Can't give any advice but I can say I like it.

Quick paint of a friend

>>1806909
yo boys a pinhead. a pinhead ass nigga

>>1804799
>>1804798
>>1804801


Looking for crit. Gonna dump more

>>1806913
eh, what makes you think that?

>>1806917

>>1806920

>>1806922
Today's stuff.

>>1804736
>3 threads to do a study
How many days did you spend on this?

>>1806923

>>1806925

>>1806926

>>1806927
alright I think that shows enough of where I'm at "now"

Drew this today. it's not really much, but I really liked how my hatching turned out.
(sorry, I haven't got a scanner, and my camera isn't the best.)
Also the character has horns, that's why there are bumps on his head.

>>1806919
oright because I didn't show where the shoulders ended?

>>1806928
Theres a smoothness to your brushstroke that's really nice, and you seem to have a good grasp of using color to create depth?

But the blurring looks pretty tacky. Your work isn't photorealistic enough to get away with fake photography effects.

>>1806847
shoulders are way too small compared to the size of the head.
I also recommend finding some reference pictures for her butt and starting over on it.

>>1806932
one of the things i get horribly obsessed over is getting down to a very fine pixel-level and getting in details at the low level aliasing level for some reason.
I suppose I don't know how to block out values and form properly enough to go beyond OCDing a bunch of details until it looks sort of presentable.

Photoshop by the way

Wip

>>1806723
It's bad. There are only two different values and hues, everything is muddy and blurry, I have no idea what's going on.

>>1806855
You'll know what's wrong after studying anatomy.
The head is terribly twisted. Her whole body and neck are suggesting a different direction of the head. Use some refs.

?

what do you think ?

>>1806929
>oni/10

I feel like the hatching works against the picture tbh or maybe the lines are just messy overall. You should clean it up.

>>1806458
??

metal gear

maybe this belongs in the stylization thread but w/e.
Work in progress, any advice would be extremely appreciated

What defines having "good values" (shading) in art?

>>1806538
>>1806252
>>1806241
>>1806254
>>1806697
>>1806813

thanks guys! apreciate all the feedback and suggestions, and paintover very much too!

I can't critique for shit.

>>1806989
Ah, that's the problem. Thank you.
I usually do use reference and I didn't with this painting to see what I need to focus on more closely. Apparently it is making the head and face pointing in the same direction.