/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

1st for general insults with no specific advice

>>1797054
i advise you to fuck off.

>>1797058

0/10 post, loomis this shit

I need to fix this, but I'm not sure where to start.

honorable sensei say that loomis can fix your drawning, not your attitude.

I haven't been following these threads. Anyone got an archive of Teal's non-ic shenannigans?

>>1797097
I don't think stars should appear over the buildings, for starters.

>>1797105
Yeah but my style...

>>1797102
>>/ic/thread/S1582276#p1582653

>Teal posts a redline giving his words of wisdom and advice
>Bitter oldfags catch wind of it
>Shitstorm ensues

>>1797105
It's meant as some sort of evocation of the two robots discussing philosophy. The buildings turn to sky, the lights turn to stars. It's shit and uncreative, but I want to finish this and move on.

>>1797111

This is why /ic/ is shit and will always be shit. It's ruled by bitter failures in their own bitter circle jerk who've never known success who can only be happy by attacking the new people who're brave enough to post their art.

>>1797117

Well that's /ic/

If a picture was to get 10 advice, 7 would be straight out wrong/trolling, 2x advice along those lines of 'you should draw it more like I would do it' and maybe one comment would be factually right and helpful.

>>1797117
>>1797121
TDF is still around, I see.

>>1797111
Normal communication while providing redlines for /ic/ is a common mistake.
Failing to avoid it will inevitably result in shitstorms by bitter shitposters sooner or later.

Just drop the redline and let it do the talking. The only valid replies to your redline are the ones that are redlines themselves.

>>1797129

An artists response to redlines should be "thank you" and that's it. It's up to them to follow it not the redliner to complain if they didn't. If the artist won't grow it's his fault.

You shouldn't consider anything that's not a criticism or a redline as a valid form of human communication on /ic/ and that includes blind compliments. It encourages Autist McAutistics who literally shit themselves in impotent rage on /ic/ nonstop >>1797126
like this kid.

>>1797121
>Well thats /ic/
I'm tired of this

Lets change. Lets stop being faggots to eachother. It doesn't HAVE to be like this.

>>1797135
The only possible way to do what you are proposing is to relinquish our Anonymity and begin using Tripcodes but I honestly don't see that happening.

Though there is a chance of losing Anonymity when you post a drawing, the issue is when it comes to giving feedback the Anonymity is there and we don't know who or what level of understanding the Anon is at and for all we know they may just be shitposting or parroting kernels of information.
.
This is where the term "Pictures speak louder than words" makes sense as a drawing will depict at what level of understanding you are and I personally would like to see drawings or at least sketches posted when giving a Critique that addresses the issue with the drawing you are Critiquing in a visual sense.

One might argue that if we spend time and effort giving a visual aid we would be spoonfeeding or the guy we are giving a critique wont listen and its not worth the trouble but get this by providing that visual aid at the very least you did an exercise drafting an example of how to correct a flaw and you learn better that way.

There's good and bad here learn how to filter the shitposting, I personally hate to see this place go to shit since I've seen Anons improve here and learn from each other we got a good thing going on here.

You're all still faggots, though.

>>1797170
>You're all still faggots, though.

This

But at least it's easy to separate the butthurt shitposters from actual thread content, just sucks that they take up so much space that could be used better.

Why did you even make this thread? The last one was literally 24 hours ago and it's still there.

Are you autistic?

>>1797097
>>1797113
The biggest problem with this is the confusing value structure. You have a nice, simple and kind of contemplative idea for this painting, but the execution is in direct contrast very noisy and hard on the eye because everything is bright and contrasty and competing for attention.

Tone it down, structure the values in a simple, non-confusing way and use your idea of the stars merging with the lights of the buildings more subtly so that it doesn't distract from the main focal point, but instead tries to enhance it.

Obviously, that's just one way to possibly fix it, if you want to have a really starry and bright night sky, that can work too, but you still have to create a better value structure for it.

>>1797097
Yeah the buildings are definitely too distracting.

>>1797102
You mean the CP shit?

>>1797132
Calling out you guys' balant idolism of Teal and Kyle isn't being angry. I am glad they rarely post here anymore though, as It shows these threads true colors when you don't have artists to circle jerk over. Plus it not like you guys actually applied their advice either.

Also people have the right to criticize redlines, nor do they have to make one themselves in response to another one. In Teal's case anons questioned why he would criticise using a particular confortable angle for a face while he does it as well in his own drawings, and that he redlines art in his own style instead of considering the design the original artist made.

Who did the OP's pic? digging the style.

>>1797323

>Telling people not to act like a Mega Faggotzord filling every /ic/ thread with mega faggotons of nuclear fallout whenever someone posts a picture on a DRAWING board is the same as idolizing some random fucking drawfag.

Man, I hate people posting art.

Let's keep arguing about stupid semantics.

>>1797259
>CP
You keep using that word.
I hope this is bait. If you're serious, you need to go back to /anywherebuthere/

crits please

>>1797352

wrong image, how embarrasing

How's my Cock Boxer, /ic/?

Whats the best ratio?

Practice 25% Study 75%

Practice 50% Study 50%

Practice 75% Study 25%

>>1797488
Where's the category for Finished Works?

>>1797488
The last one.
>>1797491
Finished works are essentially practice, assuming that Anon is using what he's learned/references/etc.

>>1797488
>>1797498
I'd say it's a sliding scale. Starting out spend more time on studies of all kinds, and less time on pieces with no direct reference. As you get better, decrease the amount of time on the former and increase the amount of time on the latter. The logic is that you need to improve your mental library, observational skills, and motor skills before you can get much use from trying to create things on your own. Yes it can inform you of where you are weakest by testing what you know, but early on you'll know next to nothing about everything.

Just my opinion though.

>>1797510
thanks for that advice.

>>1797491
I am still so crude I would hesitate to call anything finished. I just fill sketchbooks and pitch them and will probably keep doing that until I have achieved a level of proficiency that I like? If that makes sense.

finished that thing i was doing on the last thread!

>>1797571
Nigga that's kawaii.

>>1797571
on second thought that right arm is freaking me out. It's too thin son.

>>1797577
hotfix inbound v1.02.01

also does it look better with or without the blue filter?

>>1797097
I give up. Thanks for the help, but this is sucking up so much time and frustrating me beyond my capacity to not punch things.

>>1797580
>>1797571
Don't use that dark color to shade skin, it looks really weird and unhealthy.

>>1797597
by 'dark color' do you mean the airbrushing under sleeves and skirt?

>>1797620
Yeah, it's also a bit in the elbows and hands.

>>1797627
>>1797597
turned the skin parts to red. is this any better?

>>1797633
fix the neck and arms. boobs are also wrong its like her second boob grew in the middle of her chest.

>>1797633
you've got inconsistent shading, like that one part on her left arm under the sleeve is way darker than the rest of her body and there's like this one blob on her left leg of red

this is as good as it's gonna get tonight, I'm going to bed. I'll go at it again tomorrow morning.

>>1797647
keep it up bruh

>>1797647
That is a really long torso, man.

Ok. I don't want to be "that guy", but not only does this dirty nigger in OP not fit the topic of animu, but it is also so fucking obvious that this thread was created by some tumblr bitch, it is painful.

Please, avoid that in the future.

>>1797675
>it is also so fucking obvious that this thread was created by some tumblr bitch, it is painful.
It's exactly the same, just using a picture that a few people said was alright last thread.

>>1797675

Woah, people love to complain about anything.

>>1797675
I just want to throw it out there that this thread isn't just for anime

>>1797675
off to >>>/pol/ buddy

>>1797704
>le "everyone who doesn't enjoy tribal monkey shit in the OP of animu and cartoon - related thread is /pol/" meme

>>1797706
>le shit in animu thread becoz lulz meme

>>1797675

>be buttfrustrated
>try to shit of other peoples stuff to boost ones ego
>not much art posted in thread to shit on yet
>try to derail thread instead

>>1797706
You need to go to /pol/ because your getting assblasted about a stylized pick being in the OP of the stylized art thread.
>if I dont like it your not allowed to post it

>>1797706
>fucking niggers, I, an idealistic 20 something year old that has never gone hungry in my life contribute so much more to society than they do
Take your persecution complex somewhere else

>>1797675
pretty good post. especially the "don't want to be that guy" part, because usually you expect some kind of minor technical correction, not some racist sexist tirade. the juxtaposition is delicious. the hank hillesque, "please, avoid that in future." maybe a little much. you've already pulled the switcharoo, you don't need another punch line.

all in all i think it was a good attempt as all the buttmad replies attests too. but i think the "unaware bigot" angle is a little played out, so i can't really give you points for originality.

a solid 2/10

>>1797712
Hungry people don't contribute shit. Art, human rights and science have always been moved by well fed people.

I mean, look at yourself. Are you busy searching food to survive? Nope. You waste your life creating or defending pictures of hungry(?) monkeys because this shit boosts your righteous ego.


>>1797716
>sexist
There was literally nothing gender-related in my post. The fact that you still felt the need to mention it pretty much solidifies my point about pretentious SJWs hijacking this board.

>>1797725
Your here exusing someone of being an sjw for submitting a drawing of an Afro American ( literally calling it a dirty nigger)

post art, don't feed the troll.

>>1797675
>never draw black people
>if someone ever draws black people, it's because of social politics
>anyone replying to you is probably doing so because of social politics, and not just because you're a dumb little shit
You're dumb. Simple as that.

>>1797725
bullshit, hungry people do heaps of cool stuff. i know you live in some kind of white palace in heaven or whatever, but perhaps if you want to come down and be hungry with some hungry people you'd see that they don't just sit around listening to their bellies rumble.

>>1797728
No. I am only accusing (this is the word you need to use, Le-a) people who use "muh hunger guilt" as an argument and see sexism in a post that had nothing to do with gender.
>>1797734
I don't mind you drawing blacks. I mind you putting monkey lip bullshit that is pretty fucking realistic if you don't mind pretentious coloring in the OP of anime and cartoon thread.


>>1797735
Yeah. They don't sit around listening to their bellies. They stand in the lines for free monkeybuck listening to rap.

ITT: One troll talking to himself

>>1797744
>I don't mind you drawing blacks. I mind you putting monkey lip bullshit that is pretty fucking realistic if you don't mind pretentious coloring in the OP of anime and cartoon thread.
this is why i called you a dumdum. OP is obviously heavily stylized. but you can't even see that. you're just blinded by /pol/ shit. either that or you are a babby who doesn't understand what stylizing means.

most likely, you just can't stand seeing black people mentioned in any way, because your head is so chock full of /pol/ garbage. normal people don't get that kind of reaction when they see that image. only dumb fucks like you do.
now i couldn't give a fuck less about black people, but guess what i care even less about: your dumb shit. get outta here with this shit.

>>1797748
>you are a babby who doesn't understand what stylizing means.
NO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT STYLIZATION MEANS
YOU DONT
YOU THINK ITS JUST SOMETHING AS MINOR AS CHANGING COLORS AROUND
ITS MORE THAN THAT YOU DUMB TROLL
ITS MORE THAN THAT

>>1797748
Yeah. Good thing OP itself explained what kind of "Stylization" this thread is about.

>Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread
The animal in OPpic is neither of those.

>>1797751

>>1796958
>>1796969
hey manga dude. i'm pretty much on the same path. i'm no master myself, but here's a few tips:

>basic drawing ability
to put it in simple terms, that just comes from drawing a lot. quantity is just as important as quality, especially if you are a beginner.
as for what to practice: learn how to draw your characters from different angles and perspectives. make character sheets, refine your style.
judge your own level by the kind of poses and the kind of angles that you are able to draw. as well as your expressions and designs.
as for how to do that: maybe +25% will be fundamentals like learning anatomy, practicing sketching people, gestures etc. But the large majority of it will be pure raw learning by repetition. draw until you get it right.

>more specific advice relatng to manga:
INKING. this topic is very underrated. but imo it's one of the most important things. study inking, study various artists, you can also practice inking without actual ink by paying close attention to the type of pencil marks you make.
in my opinion, this topic is so criminally underrated, it's probably one of the top reasons why weeb manga looks so shit. inking is a deep topic, and very good inking can make for a very polished look.

another thing is learning to make manuscripts. it's basically storyboarding.
here as well, you can learn a lot by studying other artists. personally i've studied this topic quite a bit, and there is a lot to say, but for now just try to focus on your basic drawing skills. study paneling and such things while reading manga sometimes.

so to summarize, you need to learn how to do:
>charactersheets
>all kinds of poses and angles
>expression and style
>inking
>storyboarding
and to do that, refer to fundies, repetition and studying other artists works.
hope that helps

>>1797752
>>1797751
see, >>1797748
>..or you are a babby who doesn't understand what stylizing means.
dumb fucking shits.

>>1797752
>Good thing OP itself explained what kind of "Stylization" this thread is about.
yeah, good thing it says cartooning right there, you mental midget.

>>1797763
what part of OP is cartooning, you subhuman negro cunt?

>>1797771
>y-you must be black!
that the best thing you could come up with, you uncivilized peanut brain?
and what part you say? you're an artist, right? use your fucking eyes.

Black guy here, I don't like OP pic either. I don't know why whites try to defend bad taste to feel less guilty.

>>1797795
Black girl here I think to looks ok not really anything yo fuss about I guess a lot of people got mad because the guy was calling it "animalistic" mad used "dirty nigger" and such

>>1797783
Why won't you explain then, you dumb cunt?

The form is not exaggerated at all and colors are the only thing that makes it non-realistic.

So I guess all those impressionists were cartoon artists too, right, Jamal?

ITT: autism

>>1797795
you nigger baboon, nobody was talking about how the pic looked. learn to read.

fact of the matter is:
-the OP is clearly stylized
-anyone who is not a fucking newfag knows that this thread has never been STRICTLY about animu.
-and again, drawing blacks doesn't mean it's all about social politics.
there is no point to make for the dummies.

on a side note, the op isn't anything complicated, but personally i don't dislike the style. it would be interesting to see a white or asian version with different colors.

>>1797801
it's simplified more than enough to call it stylized, little weeb.
you think those western comics that use more realistic proportions aren't stylized you shit for brains?

>>1797809

It still is a shitty picture. Please stop leaking your white guilt.

>>1797817
i literally wrote the reply to that it in my first sentence. you want me to write it again you illiterate monkey?

the initial post we are talking about is >1797675
and it's dumb. end of story.

>>1797824
I obviously saw that post retard. What are you trying to prove? I said >>1797795 I don't like the pic period, not about the looks like you said.

>>1797827
>I don't like the pic period, not about the looks like you said.
....and what, in the flying fuck, is supposed to be the difference between the picture itself and how the picture looks? you do know what a picture is, right?
but NEVERMIND. that's beside the point anyway.

in the end, what i wrote entirely due to this part
>I don't know why whites try to defend bad taste to feel less guilty.
to which i replied, "learn to read the thread".

>>1797795
>>1797799

Black transsexual here, I hope you both leave this thread

>>1797830

It's not anime nor is it stylized. It's a shitty line drawing with exclusion filter sprinkled on top to mask the artists shitty painting abilities. You want to keep defending shit to look less racist be my guest.
>>1797832
Kill yourself. You are a disgrace to God and you will never be a real girl.

>>1797843
you're wrong dumdum kun :^)

>>1797843
>you will never be a real girl.

Jokes on you, niqqa. I am FtM.

>>1797847

Disgusting.

>>1797848

Just like ur mom but I still gave her the clit-dick

>>1797849

My mom would put a bullet through your head for being shemale then chop your body parts up into a garbage bag. She won't even sell your organs because you're that disgusting.

OP here, first of all don't send idiots like >>1797675 to /pol/ since we have enough storm faggots who think they're in good company in there already but we're tolerant enough to deal with them.

Secondly, I picked that image on OP simply because it looks interesting, someone even mentioned it would make a nice Album cover and of course it is stylized enough for the thread. You seem to forget that these threads are not just about cute girls doing cute things.

>>1797809
These threads were pretty strictly anime until your kind decided to come along and cry about it always being moeblob shit.

>>/ic/thread/S1438123

based mods/jannies

>>1797647

The skin looks much better that way, what needs the most work is the right arm now.

Did I copy dis gud? It's at 5/10 at most, right?

>>1797928
Find a better reference, one that is not trying to save Shekels.

>>1797929
>trying to save Shekels.

lol'd

>>1797358
Very amusing, I like it

>>1797929
Well, also I drew mickey mouse and the robot duck guy from ducktales. I also 'ave ze original do not steal contents if you wish to see that garbage. Am I doing good or what? I've been dicking around for weeks not really knowing what the hell I'm suppose to be doing.

>>1797960
yes, oc pls.

>>1797960
If you look closely you can see that the artist accounted the perspective of the ellipse being the farthest eye, it's foreshortened and yours is not.

It's nice that you have all these drawings but you want to draw smarter not harder, if you want to make a believable figure remember to take into account the perspective involved and the same goes in all good drawings.

Look into Loomis's successful drawing and perspective made easy and take perspective into account while you construct the figure.

>>1797971
Ew, books. I have those but reading isn't the American way, pal. I'll take your advice about perspective though. I'll be back, I'm going to draw something incredibly lewd for you to critique.

>>1798018
otanoshimini

>>1798018
Eh, reading is really helpful and you'll make more progress if you take time to think about what you're doing.

>>1798020
fuck off to gaia

>>1798025

lold top kok

>>1798025

make me desu zo

yo what the fuck is google now asking to solve captchas using images of cartoons?

god bless america

>>1798196

>>1798196
the fuck kind of gun is that?

I know I need to push the values more but first I wanted to create a more interesting composition from afar. .

>>1798203
shitty m4 custom

I know I still have to push the values but I wanted to add some elements in the bg/fg and change the eyes in order to do so.

>>1798254
I still have those eyes just in case.

has anyone ever thought about creating an irc channel for these threads? the draw threads have one and it would be cool if we had our own, just thinking out loud.

>>1798260
I've never used an irc channel before, it would be nice to have something like that though.

Well, this is the finished product from last night. Thanks, /ic/. You've been a huge help this time around :D

>>1798297
Where are her teeth? She looks like an old granny.
She doesn't look grounded in 3D space either.

>>1798260
Would join.

Though this always looked kinda neat and might be something fun to share. I have one layer where I break down different body parts and muscles so I can quickly select and isolate them for rendering

I mean yeah, they aren't all that accurate (muscle wise) but helps keep the image clean.

>>1798568
looks interesting. dunno about the face though. too many lines on it.

>>1798568
That's an interesting workflow I never thought of, thanks for sharing.

I can't do backgrounds to save my life. Any advice?

>>1798568
WIP? the light grey on top of the head makes the head look small, make it dark grey too? Or outline it?

>>1798611
it's some kind of hat you hobo

Another photoshop practice

>>1798614
The hat is out of perspective and should be facing frontwards, they seem really out of place.

>>1798615
the tits should be*

>>1798607
Done I suppose. Thoughts?

>>1798631
awesome. a bit tooo scribbly here and there.

>>1798614
looks pretty good

Which size was the original you scanned in?

>>1798614
>>1798615
>the tits should be facing frontwards
I don't agree. When the head turns that much, the torso should follow the rotation to some extent.
Also with the shoulders stretched towards the back, the breasts should be facing outwards away from each other even more.

>>1798634
The original was about 2000x3000p but my scanner is old, I need to replace it.
This is the higher resolution that I have it

>>1798631
Sweet, looks nice. But I think it would be a lot better if you bothered to define the hands and feet.

>>1798639
I meant the paper, did you use the whole sheet for the drawing? If yes, then your outlines are all weird. It looks like you used a brush instead of pens.

>>1798635
you're absolutely right anon.

>>1798642
I got it.
Maybe the lines looks weird because I made all the lines with a zebra G pen, I need to practice more.

>>1798644
That's how it's meant to look. Maybe use a larger sheet of paper.

>>1798644
Outlining black is probably a bad idea if you want to colorize, using the cleaned up pencil stage is a better start, because pencil allows you to keep different shaded outlines and much finer outlines, because no bleeding.

Look at e.g. http://g.e-hentai.org/g/643502/b798eaa764/ for how some professionals paint.

Otherwise, as someone said, use the whole sheet. And lots of different pencil sizes.

>>1798658
>Photoshop 5.5
That's some really ancient shit right there.

let's make a monster!

>>1798663
And?

>>1798666
While the concept surely stays pretty much the same overall, much of the actual instructions are obsolete when all the menus and functions are something from 1999.

>>1798669
Not much changed since 5.5 regarding these tools, which are what you need (layer blending modes, masks, hue/saturation, contrast, basic pen(cil) control). And these tools are similar across most programs.

>>1798671
Someone not experienced with Japanese language or such art software features might have harder time figuring the stuff out.
You know, the ones who really need the tutorial.

>>1798673
True. Any better sources?

>>1798658
>moetan
heh

>>1798568
cool

>>1798665
Where's the style in this? Wouldn't this fit better in the normal /ic/ drawthread?

>>1798641
>>1798632
I agree with the comments, I'll try and make my next piece a bit more polished. Need to find some kind of workflow that looks good but doesn't require hours of rendering to look nice.

>>1798761
>hours of rendering
Keep it to b&w? Is there even one that is fast in color? Except you have a style fit for animation.

>>1798774
Maybe I mean style rather than workflow. I like to work with color a lot, greyscale stuff isn't that appealing to me. I'm actually pretty glad you think my style is fit for animation, I do want to branch out into the field once I really get my figure work down.

>>1798791
>I'm actually pretty glad you think my style is fit for animation
? I didn't mean to imply that your style is fit for animation, just that it is easier to color fast in a style developed for animation.

>>1798798
o-oh.

>>1798802
well don't worry anon i think your style is fit for animation

WIP - critiques?
also can't decide which side looks better...I have this problem a lot lols

>>1798820
>tumblr nose

>>1798820
>japanese mango as drawn by an US American who draws it with techniques and mindset for super hero comics, thus fucking up the style
it hurts to live

>>1798820
Style looks fine to me, but tone down the red on the nose. I'd recommend reevaluating that hairline, shit's flying off her skull.

>>1798820
The line work is okay, but the coloring is absolutely awful. It's an eyesore. Did you never learn how to color? You should practice it more. Also the changes in color and value in the hair make no sense. It's just blobbed in there.

Check your values, and ditch the super red nose. Tumblr nose is not the worst thing in the world, but you are not doing it right. The subtly in the line work is much more appealing.

>>1798826
asian, not japanese tho lol. also british.
>>1798828
Hairline on the right is what I first sketched out, tried fixing it on the left. Will tone down the red~
>>1798829
Nope, I NEVER learned how to color. I literally only use it digitally, or try to which is why the line art looks a lot better - its really the only thing im sorta good at.
I played with the curves levels for the hair because I didn't like how it looked before.

This was first time posting here, thanks for critiques, hope to hear from you again~

>>1798858
youre a very disappointing asian, your parents would not be proud
:^l

>>1798858
That about the style wasn't so much about you, but whoever created this mix first.

Otherwise, not much to say, it's WIP, so everything is fair game including the goals and the rules. And you use fake colors at the moment anyway.

ehm she was born with that weird left leg

>>1798958
I realy realy like the face but the vagina is totaly wrong.

>>1798820
Better? Or worse?
Fixed hairline, removed red nose and hair color mess but left a little there.
also changed hue if thats ok with you

>>1798958
good job on the breast falling to the sides ( most people forget that ) cute face but your vagina is off it goes under not on top

>born with that weird left leg
no stop being lazy fix that shit

>>1799000
her hair and left ear don't feel like they're attached to her head at all

where do pkmn belong

>>1799010
thanks

>>1799039
Body has some kind of form but the face is completely flat. Do more face studies instead of just making shitty animu.

>>1798958
Better redraw everything except head and breasts, its fucked from the shoulders to... except the feet.

>>1799039
The face is fine, it just lacking in shapely shading.
>>1799116
>instead of just making shitty animu
Congrats for invalidating your own critique.

Nearly done

>>1799039

Good stuff. I like the angle and you have good color sense. The joining area between his arm and torso looks a bit too thin/flat I think.

kinda supposed to be a self-portrait. i've taken to drawing myself noselessly with this kind of muzzle recently, kinda in imitation of shmorky's stuff i guess. anyone else working on animation? I'd post this on the gif boards, but, y'know.

>>1799189
>Congrats for invalidating your own critique.
Just because I said something you disliked doesn't invalidate.

He should be working on his face studies than just drawing and painting anime shit all the time. This is very evident on his other works (terrible face and head structure, despite having somewhat decent body structure.)

Grow a pair.

>>1799204
>kinda in imitation of shmorky's stuff i guess.

You're a transgender furry with a diaper fetish too?

>>1799213
actually, no! i'm pretty standard 4chan fare. i just find their comics really funny and i like the pudginess of the characters.

>>1798997
>>1799010
>>1799122

yea, thanks for the tips. the face is the only reason why I didn't give up the picture

thoughts?

>>1799279
I like your expressions

>>1799279
Sweet, i'd like to see it more refined.

The girl's face on the right has some slight problem with the gap between her eyes.

That is all.

>>1799000
Nice trips. The hair looks more like a wig, but this is easily fixed. See how when the hair is moving around, the hairline is more prominent? I'd rotate this photo for you, but I'm on my phone. Just draw in the hairline, and the hair will look like it's one with the head.

done quickly while taking a break from a bigger project

>>1799204
>that animation
Looks pretty good.

I studied loomis for a long time, then I watched two vilppu videos and noticed a massive jump in my abilities. I have only started drawing again recently. Wow.

>>1799454

Same here and that's because vilppu is superior, it's just that /ic/ doesn't want to admit that their le maymay for long years is dumb

>>1799468
Honestly I love Loomis and think he is great and his method works, so I dont want to bag on him.

What happened before if that my loomis drawings (faces) looked like tubes with stickers that resembled faces on them. Now with Vilppu I really really understand the skeleton and plane changes etc. I am more confident with my shading and people are telling me they have noticeably more depth.

>>1798568
I've always liked your stuff. Tumblr? Deviant art? Blog?

>>1799468
>it's just that /ic/ doesn't want to admit that their le maymay for long years is dumb
You're an idiot and new if you think "Loomis" literally means "Loomis" and not 'study your fundamentals.'

Please teach me how to cartoon and create my own characters.

>>1799496
Or you could just say 'study your fundamentals'. Talking about Loomis only leads to useless drama.

>>1799496

Problem is that at this point half of the people mentioning Loomis are le ebin troles just shitting on people to belong to the crowd, or clearly haven't even read it.
Seeing Loomis mentioned should throw up a red flag and you have to reread the post and look if you can actually take it serious.

was practising line quality and poses and cloths recently.

>>1799468
>not knowing Loomis = Read the sticky

SS+GOMAD and install gentoo you newfagit.

>upload an image to FA
>immediately two requests sent to me and three new watchers
>upload an image to dA
>no requests sent to me, 1 in 3 chance I'll gain one watcher

Why is life so cruel, I wish it was the other way around.

>>1799692
are any of these timed? whats the duration on those gestures (bottom middle)?

>>1799703
nope, nothing was timed. The bottom middle one was a torso construction practise.

>>1799700
post your fa work

>>1799726
W-why? Although I suppose my FA work is better since I can experiment more and whatnot.

>>1799737
so we can masturbate to it, duh

>>1799758
Here's an older one that I've already posted here, I think.

http://i.imgur.com/alGKsZN.png

Blazing Heart drawing I just finished! Been about a year since I last drew, and I only have mechanical pencils, no fancy art sets :/

>>1799765

ebin

>>1799772
T-thanks.

>>1799768
Looks traced.

>>1799787
None of my lines are perfect, I added a few things that arent even in the original picture o.o

>>1799768
Looks like you just copied someones anime drawing

>>1799798
It's from an MMO Elsword. Just decided to draw Blazing Hearts skill cut in. Saying someone traced something because you can't do it is like saying someone is a hacker because theyre better than you in pvp. Just wanted to post a drawing a worked on for a few hours, didn't really expect the negativity.

>>1799793
So what did you learn from spicing up your trace?

>>1799802
I mean....The point was for it to look as close to the original as it could. You act like because something comes out similar to the original it's traced. The point of doing it based on the original is because I cant do OC very well. You can clearly tell from my uneven lines that it's not traced. The eye is fucked up. The reason the shading looks the same is because I was looking at the original while drawing it. I worked hard on it, is it that hard to just be fucking nice to someone.

>>1799806
I think the "problem" here is that nowhere did you say that you were drawing it from reference. (and no this is not the same thing as using reference when doing figure drawing for example).

You presented the drawing as if it was one of your own, which it really isn't.

>>1799806
Always hilarious to see tracers get upset when they get called out

Instead of whining, why don't you actually learn how to draw?

>>1799810
That was my mistake I didn't know I had to put that I drew from another picture, I figured if I put Blazing Heart people would know what im talking about.

>>1799812
My God, you can literally look at it and tell its fucked up, I cant trace on a touch screen computer ffs. I dont understand whats so fucking hard about being nice to someone

>>1799818
Fuck off.

>>1799819
Fucking assholes like you are the reason we live in such a fucked world. People can't even express themselves without someone being a fucking dick for no reason.

>>1799820
Not all of us want to live in an overprotective nanny state like you, idiot.

>>1799820
grow some balls you bleating cunt

>>1799825
What does that have to do with kindness towards another human being. There's no reason to be so fucking rude to a complete stranger.

>>1799768
>>1799802
well that was pointless :^l

>>1799768
Mechanical pencils aren't good for flat shading big areas, hatching would have been better. Also outlining shadows with a fine line before filling the area is a nice effect.

You didn't construct the copy. It looks like you copied the lines, not construct volumes and objects the original consisted off, so you lost detail.

>>1799816
There are probably no Blazing Heart people here.

It was pretty obvious you copied, but it is annoying that you didn't post the original from the beginning (best if you put them side by side in one image). Also, iqdb/google can find bigger versions of the original image for you.

>>1799828
It's even worse to compliment and be overly nice, especially if the stranger is a whiny dumbass.

>>1799820
>>1799828

This sound like a personal problem of yours, blog about it somewhere else and kindly piss off.

>>1799833
I guess I made a mistake thinking that I could get away from the assholes if I went to the art board. I figured i'd find some decent people on here. Just found more 4chan asshole neckbeards. Kill yourself fucking cunts. Your mothers should've done anal then produce you fucking assholes. I hope you piece of fucks don't reproduce more fucking neckbeard fucktard mongoloids into this god forsaken world.

>>1799836
Kek, be careful not to break your keyboard.

>>1799836
You lost it after *one* person said it was traced. And you let it out against an unrelated anon.

Decent people? We aren't your social support group.

>>1799836
listen, newfag. nobody likes copies or traced artwork on this board. and you can expect the same for any other art board or thread.
it isn't really your own drawing, and there isn't much to say/critique about it since it's just a halfassed copy in the end.
it barely counts as a "drawing" as /ic/ understands it. you should've known better.

>assholes
/ic/ might as well be the harshest board on this site.

Sorry to bother you guys,but I wanted to make a drawing to post.But I am just not sure how to go on from here,so I figured that you guys maybe could help me.
I'm not sure about how this looks.It's supposed to be that her pinkie from the right hand Is near here lips (which I both sketched out with low effort to just clearify a bit what I mean) ,but I'm Insecure about how I'll make this look right.

Any thoughts?Again,sorry If bothering so directly for help wich by It's actually drawing what I'm told and not working It out and fixing my mistakes.

>>1799856
Scrap it and start over, forget whatever you picked up from any how to draw manga book Christopher Hart violated you with and start working with forms and perspective on fun with a pencil.

Get yourself perspective made easy, study linear perspective and keep drawing those "blooks" you'll know what I mean when you find that book.

>>1799856
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>1799854
>tracing is evil
? That is just pretentious bullshit from kiddies. And kiddies should keep their mouth shut. Nobody wants to listen to their crap.

Anyone with experience can look at a copied/traced piece and say where the artist is lacking. A copied piece of art makes it easy to assess what went wrong, because only an experienced artist can understand another experienced artists intents enough to make a good copy of their work. And there is no guessing left what was intentional and what wasn't unlike in an original piece, were mistakes could be intentional or accidental.

IMHO, it would actually make a very easy test in school to see how far an aspiring artist is, because they will fail at copying things they haven't understood yet.

>>1799856
What do you want exactly
Just go for it you pussy I aint drawing it for you
Find a fitting reference photo if you're unsure

>>1799860

Thanks for thr advice,and I don't mean to be ungrateful for any word you said,but I've had myself practice and work with perspective.Neither am I just drawing over some picture of a "how-to-draw : manga" book.

You're right tho,I should practice more.

>>1799861
>I abuse foxes by how loomis It Is

T-Thanks for the books,anon.

>>1799864

You're right,but I was on the thread anyway,so I went to ask.

It was quite unnecessary but I was just too pussy about It and I have seen some nice art on the thread.

>>1799856
Constructing like this doesn't work with manga. This is okay if you go for action heroes, because there you actually construct real people. It is only secondary in manga, because you show impressions first.

Also, you should look at "sketching manga-style", its a good introduction to the topic.

And don't use too much pressure with a H+ pencil. Use HB if you want better visible lines.

>>1799856
Oh, and draw the parts like they should look finished right from the beginning. you can always erase and fix up and fill up the places where you didn't know before. No need for this silly mouth line. Or the weird ear.

>>1799862
>Anyone with experience can look at a copied/traced piece and say where the artist is lacking.
wat.
no. the thing is, there is no real point to doing a copy like that. it's what hobbyists do for fun.
and beyond that, like i said, the issue is that there isn't much to say about it. what, are we supposed to give you advice on how to refine your copy? i don't see any point in that. i mean what do you expect us to say?

i didn't say tracing is evil, but POSTING tracings is quite obviously not popular on any art forum. if you are surprised that anons are shitting on you, then you're an idiot.

>>1799856
don't overcomplicate it.
use very simple shapes and use negative space.
don't construct, because as a beginner, you don't have a single clue about the form of the structure anyway.

again, use negative space and very very simple shapes to start off

>>1799884
>no. the thing is, there is no real point to doing a copy like that. it's what hobbyists do for fun.
Starting with a copy is a good start as anything else when getting into art. If you think it matters if your first pieces are copies or 'originals' then you are wrong. At least a copy won't make the beginner feel like utter trash after seeing their failure or go off with wild/stupid ideas for a few years (and not learning anything at all because muh style, muh original artz).

>and beyond that, like i said, the issue is that there isn't much to say about it. what, are we supposed to give you advice on how to refine your copy? i don't see any point in that. i mean what do you expect us to say?

There is a lot to see. A copy shows where an artist is lacking, because they will have problems reproducing parts which need something they haven't understood yet. Be it usage of tools, perspective, volume, color/shading, anatomy, style, techniques, or message.

Pointing out these flaws is easy and goes far.

And you can always tell someone they should try more original art.

>i didn't say tracing is evil, but POSTING tracings is quite obviously not popular on any art forum. if you are surprised that anons are shitting on you, then you're an idiot.
Obviously posting copies isn't popular with the kids.

>>1799903
Not that Anon, but a copy is just that. A copy, i'll play the devil's advocate here for a moment but the only possible thing you may learn from copying is maybe a stylized proportion that works with one specific genre or character. However there is also the possibility of learning a bad habit if the Artist you are copying from doesn't have their fundies down; the sure way of avoiding this is copy from masters of old, a master draftsman or an Artist who has strong fundamentals.

However when it comes to stylized works a copy does not reveal what someone is truly missing, the problems have already been solved for you when you are copying stylized work and if you really want to know what you are missing use a real figure for reference, stylize it and then see for yourself.

I'll give you my reference for you to work with that's if you are up for it, try it for yourself.

>>1799911
why don't you just look at >>1799768
and see if you can see mistakes?

And I don't need your reference, you seem to be mixing me up with someone.

>>1799934
Okay, for starters it's flat. There is no indication of form or perspective and it is incredibly stiff. It is void of any gracefulness as if you traced the drawing which further hinders gesture and though you shaded here and there that doesn't help the fact that it is missing forms.

In other words it's shit.

>>1799903
>There is a lot to see. A copy shows where an artist is lacking, because they will have problems reproducing parts which need something they haven't understood yet.
no, you don't understand shit.
copying lineart is easy, much easier than life drawing, but actually drawing something is in a entirely different league of difficulty. but the main point is, absolutely nobody wants too see that shit. which is why nobody encourages it.
like you said, you CAN study it to get some small insights, but it's not all that useful.

suppose i told you how to make it better, what would happen?
personally i don't even think it's possible for you to get a copy polished to a high level without understanding how to draw at that level.
and even if you DID manage to do it, at the end of the day, you still wouldn't be able to actually "draw" original work anywhere close to that level.
it's pretty much all around useless for anyone wanting real progress.

please, just take a look at your own original drawings.

>>1799934
have you ever wondered why people can always immediately tell when an image is copied?

>>1799934
That image is traced. The haphazard line weight is a dead giveaway. Why would anyone give feedback to traced images? They're worthless.

why are we doing this?

>>1799998
nooooo I nearly missed it!!!!

wtf :D

>>1799999
clearly traced, time for 40 more 1000 words posts about it. oh and this is my first time on /ic/ so make it super mean pls.

>>1800003
I don't understand your post

>>1800003
things can always be referenced but that doesn't look copied. it would look a lot better if it was a copy.
but faggots like you can't even tell the difference.

i swear, this thread is just about the only thread where noobs will act like know-it-alls despite not understanding shit.

>>1800000

>>1800009
>>1800003
seriously, I drew this from my imagination.
also I'm high

>>1800013
you know it is. there's no need to pretend.

Does anyone have any tutorials for making manga using both traditional and digital means? For example, I saw a very brief interview with Inio Asano where he drew a character and then superimposed it over a background he had photographed. Any information of creating backgrounds from photos, meshing hand drawn with digital, etc. I've spent a few hours searching but I'm not really sure what terms to use.

>>1799999
why are some posts deleted?

>>1798297
Draw hands! Those are flabby.

>>1800082
janitor finally gave the animu thread it's daIlly flush

>>1799194
I think It looks pretty,Anon.

>>1799870
Sorry Anon,but these results aren't that helpful.

I'm not trying to have much of a manga stylization In the drawing,as found.

>>1800128
and? What do you want?

>>1798297
To be honest, this is a really nice looking picture. The only problem is that the hands look like blobs and she looks like she is falling over.

(Also, where are her teeth?)

>>1800217
do you not like deer gummers?

took a break from 4chan for like a month and a half, what's happened in d/ic/k land, still filled with thirsty hapless dorks?

how do you guys pick an art style to go default with? I see so many styles that I want to emulate.

>>1800290
I would like to know as well.
I want to make a mix of a few artists I admire, but I don't want to spend too much time worried about style and not enough on actual studying and creating.

>>1800290
I would worry more about the basics rather than muh style. You will develop it through observation and application based on knowledge you've picked up through studying.

Fuck, you guys are scary. I was just about to post that OC I promised too. The spaghetti is over flowing, I can't.

>>1800310

nothing ventured, nothing gained anon

>>1800290
If you can't decide, just draw still life and realistic stuff. No style needed there and you can concentrate on the tools and basics until you are good to just pick a style for something or learn one fast.

>>1800310
>I was just about to post that OC I promised too. The spaghetti is over flowing, I can't.

Do it faggot.

>>1800290
why limit yourself to one?

>>1800290
>default
some kind of "default" style will come naturally if you just draw a lot. at least that's what happened with me.
it's not really something that you just "choose" like that. the main style will always be the style tat you are most comfortable with. you try things out, and what works for you will stick.

and you can always try and transform your style. and it's not like you can't have several styles.

Anyone got a link to the vipplu anatomy vids?

>>1800343

just search vilppu on pirate bay

First time in a long time i drew from "imagination." It's better than only drawing stickmen, but how the hell do people do this?

>>1800363
by reading the sticky

>>1800293
>>1800317
>>1800325
>>1800340
Thanks for the advice guys, I decided in the end to just learn them all and see where it takes me.

Did I do good massuh?

>>1800290
There's a style I usually draw in when I'm just sketching that just came naturally I guess. When making an actual drawing or painting I use a style that fits the feeling I'm going for, if that makes sense. Emulate other styles for fun and experience but don't force yourself into another artist's style, just mix and match and develop naturally until it's your own. Just do what you like and don't worry about it, really.

>>1800363
>First time in a long time
Well that's your problem. Lots of practice is what keeps your imagination up to par and allows you to recall what you know. Please don't restrict yourself to only studies, freely drawing with no sort of guide outside your mind encourages creativity and reinforces the remembering of knowledge. If you rely on references all the time you won't be able to draw without them, and doodling whatever you want is a fun no artist should miss out on. It's important to study and learn but it's just as crucial to practice and keep up your personal artistic strength. The drawing doesn't look that bad, mostly just the arms that look very stiff and like you didn't know what to do with them, and the bulbous cloth and nonexistent feet. Stop reading books all day and take some time to just freely sketch and try to recall what you've learned and apply it. That's how you learn something.

tl;dr practice moar

late night darkstalkin

>>1799870
Thanks for suggesting the book sketching manga style. It's surprisingly much better than what I expected. I was having a hard time using Loomis' ball method for drawing manga characters and now I understand a little better why.

>>1800208
Well,something that looks rather realistic,but I can search them up myself ofcourse.

>>1800525
The eyes should probably be were the eyebrows are right now. The hair needs much more volume.

The thorax is detached from the pelvis.

Your step by step method to draw figures sucks.

i dont know was draw anymore
only sketch :^(

>>1800591
second from the left is giving me tingles

>>1798958

>>1798997
>>1799010
>>1799122

I reworked the body. thanks for the ref

>>1800607
the rib cage has no volume

>>1800601
is that a good thing?

>>1799279
Do you have a tumblr?

>>1800642
getting less tingles now. the doodly look really did it for me

>>1800607
I like where this is going. Please remember to share the finished piece.

i don't know how to continue, how do I make this guy hold a sword upright like it's a rapier? and the right arm seems too short, as well as the left forearm being fucked

>>1800697
Try the pose yourself, you literally cannot hold a sword upright in that position, wrists don't bend that way. Look up some references of people holding swords upright.

>>1800703
i understand trying it myself, the thing I tried to draw was the rapier salute. I didn't even know the term for it.

tried it again with a shitty reference on bottom left, now the pose looks wrong fundamentally

and then I tried relaxing the left arm and lowering the right front arm, it sort of looks normal.

>>1800607
could somebody redline this for me?

>>1800703
i can

>>1800730
grab a ref m8
>>>/s/

Quick generic thing to attempt to apply values. I have no idea what I'm doing.

Critique of anything else is also appreciated. I'm beginning to see fewer flaws in my own stuff and concerned I'm becoming delusional.

>>1800607
torso looks flat, you need to model them forms.

>>1800774
ha thanks for the ref

>>1800774
Just curious, did you model that pic as a reference or is this a random pic you have in your "reference" folder?

>>1800799
modeled it, program is called xnalara, you can find tons of models in DA such as
http://xnalara.deviantart.com/gallery/31744518/Characters-Downloads

and if you're lazy like me just go download tons of pose pack, load them, ???, profit!!! instant 360 rotatable posemaniacs.

working on it, today gonna nail the maids (hue). any mistakes on them ?

>>1800824
T-Teal?

>>1800827
anon dont be silly i need another 300 years to be teal. I did read some of his redlines recently tho.

>>1800730

>>1800857
wow
tumblr?

>>1800642
>>1800835

nice

>>1800714
a few things i noticed:
it looks like your idea for the drawing is still to vague, you don't really know what KIND of pose you're trying to draw. at the very least, you should have an idea of how the pose feels, in terms of atmosphere. is it aggressive? is it supposed to be direct? what are you trying to accomplish?

for example: for some reason, i think you are trying to bring the rapier close to the face. i assume you have some kind of vague idea as for why. but the thing is, maybe having the grip at chest height would be better. (the reference is about chest height as well)

also, there is no reason why you would lift your shoulders like that. try to hold anything in your hands and move your hands around. you'll notice that your shoulders are never lifted, ever. it would actually feel really unnatural to lift your shoulders.
remember this: normally, the only time you ever have to lift your shoulders is when you are shrugging, or when you are trying to get your elbow up or above the height of your shoulders. try it out.

>>1800835
I laughed
someone has the 'it's too big to be a bait' pasta?

i think i unclogged a mental block while rendering this
will continue refining it some other time

I have no idea how to draw faces in lineart, and it's killing me

help

>>1800891
wouldn't say it's too bad. you just gotta keep practicing.
challenge yourself with unfamiliar angles, expressions or strong perspectives.
also experiment with proportion. caricaturize people etc

>>1799495
made a tumblr for just things I'm postin here

Just-one-art.tumblr.com

>>1800973
dayumn thats too good.

I asume the rendered ones are very hard referenced right ?

>>1798257
these eyes are less flashy but they look soo much deeper. TBH I like these more

>>1800973
>just one art
>art subjects are all of the same thing
What a fitting name.

>>1801031
i was thinking the same thing.

>>1800973
This the first time I've ever felt such fierce art jealousy. You're awesome.

>>1800973
Bout fucking time.

>>1800973
Bloody hell, that rendering. I'm literally salivating.

>>1800973
muh dick

>>1800126
Thanks anon!

Done. Would be grateful to hear any thoughts or critiques.

>>1800867

>>1801059
thanks

Wow I am on my 300th or so gesture and I am starting to not look at things and make them flat but really see the rhythms in form and feel the true perspective. Thats amazing.

>>1801047
I tried, but I can't find anything I don't like. Good job.

>>1801031
>finding things to bitch about rather than realizing composition, lighting, design, and mood are all more important than subject

>>1801047

looking at your stuff your lineart and flats look really soft and smooth, what are your brush settings/ workflow like?

>>1800973
You draw the best tits.

>>1801063
Let's see it then, anon.

>>1801047
I get the feeling you haven't looked yet at materials/textures

>>1800973
>Just-one-art.tumblr.com
>mirin that paint skill
>rendering

fuck why you wasting time with these plebs? you ain't no novice

>>1800824
>that girl on the left
oh fuck yes

>>1801047
bretty good I want to see more later

>>1800607
yeah HUGE improvement don't stop here though

you need to slim down her right thigh so it matches the size of the left one

just add in the arms in whatever pose later and this'll look pretty good

>>1801128
only in the animu thread will you hear self deprecating shit like this.
do people say this when they see good artists in the drawthread? no.
only here.

>>1797049
just Biro on stickies

>>1801121
それは恥ずかしい.

>>1801068
>>1801131
Thanks
>>1801122
Because of the smooth surfaces? Too homogenous? Too flat?
>>1801111
Just basic hard round and airbrush hard round. I get that effect by putting down a hard line and carefully softly erasing parts. I use the pen tool for bigger curves.

>>1801157
ohaiyo! ore wa ganbarimasu
誕生日 おめでとう!

What's your guys' method for drawing a figure from scratch?

Help me please oh god.

>>1801157
自我を捨て。恥を忘れ。後は/ic/に任せておけ、愚か者よ。

Still working on this pic and I don't know how to continue. I thought in warm her skin a bit more to make contrast with the cold scene, as well add or delete some feathers. Thoughs?

>>1800973
What brush do you use in coloring?

>>1800883
i like the torso. face needs work

>>1800973
Thank you.

>>1801169
That's amazing O_O what are you talking about?

>>1801176
Placement of the neck, the entire pelvis thing. I have trouble drawing children.

Is this better?

>>1801179
learn to simplify more. notice how your neck is at an angle when it doesn't need to be.
also, the knees are bending backwards..

other things, some of them specific to drawing children:
>ears too high
>jaw too angular
>head too large
>neck sticks out too much
>kids don't have a strong waistline

generally, you are overthinking the anatomy. like with the shoulders. try to follow your sense of shape more.

>>1801171

I like it, it's very close to being a complete image and it's not porn.
What I would recommend is broaden the value range on her skin and the robe. You seem to have some ok contrast on the hair, but the rest of the features don't reflect that light source. To add to that maybe introduce some pink/red tones to her skin, right now it looks a bit gray/yellow, but again it might just need a push in value to make it pop.

>>1801189
Thanks a lot. I see what you mean by 'overthinking the anatomy', lately I feel like I'm becoming a slave to a set of rules while I think I should be working on 'feeling the drawing' if that makes sense. Hope it's better now.

Also, I don't get what you mean by "the neck doesn't need to be at an angle".

>>1801197
before your neck came down from the head at an angle. now it's better, but you can actually just make it come down completely vertically.
that way, you'll get even more of an impression that he/she's standing straight.
like i said, simplifying.

trying to work with warm and cool colors, but I think I ruined the value structure here.

>>1801171
how about learning the structure of a human face for a start? Perspective exercises would help too.

>>1801192
I used an olive skin palette, hence it looks yellow except in her cheeks (where I used the same orange tone of her lips). Wouldn't a pink/red tone clash too much on her skin?

>>1801213
Now that you mention it, her face were bothering me too, but didn't realize it. Thanks for pointing out, anon.

Doodling for the morning.

some baseless emo shit that i don't really feel like finishing or posting on my da but you guys might like it.

i finally downloaded every single vilppu video so i got a full night of edumacation to look forward to.

So I went past the point of stagnation and hit I'm worse than I was before level. Please help me. I used to be able to draw a pose like this in under 30 minutes. Also I'm really sorry for this phone picture. I'm not at my own place, so I'm without a scanner right now.

I can spot out a lot of mistakes here, but I'm not sure how to fix them. For example, the legs and neck are seriously wrong but I don't know where to start on fixing them. I'm also not sure if the torso is too long. I know the arm on the right side is too long, though. I'm shit with shoulders, so I'm not sure if they look alright or not.

Sorry for all of the text. I haven't been able to receive a good crit on any other art site I've been on, and /ic/ ripping me a new asshole years ago helped me get to where I was earlier. I'd just like to keep progressing.

>>1801227
>>1801235
alright

>>1801216

I didn't really know what you were going for, so I proposed pink/red since you said you wanted to make her skin warmer. Don't think too deeply about it, just keep your palette that you have right now and work with pushing values. Here is a quick paintover to give you an idea. I made the lights lighter and the darks darker, while also adding structure to the face.

I think >>1801213 is also right

>>1801243
Everything is too long. She's like a praying-mantis-woman.

The gesture also looks pretty stiff and uncomfortable for what looks like it should be a relaxing position. Did you use a reference? You should.

Watch Proko's figure drawing videos. Anons may disagree, but I think they're solid and the most accessible.

>>1801254
>She's like a praying-mantis-woman
I chuckled.

Thanks, anon! I'll check those videos out.

>>1801250
there's something off about her face that i can't really put my finger on, like there's no volume. it resembles a slanted doorstop sort of.

>>1801243
>For example, the legs and neck are seriously wrong but I don't know where to start on fixing them.

They aren't really wrong, but you are drawing without goal.

>>1801243
you're not at the point where you should worry about stagnation yet.

you are also focusing too much on anatomy. when you talk about problems or spotting mistakes, you are talking nothing but anatomy.
..don't forget that there are other things that are more important than anatomy.
like gesture, or the ability to understand 3d structures. both are very basic things that you lack.

without gesture you will have a hard time making coherent poses.
and without 3d thinking you won't be able to progress in your anatomy studies anyway.

for now, focus on one minute gesture drawings. because 30 min is too much for something like that. don't waste your time. just draw a lot. focus on quantity.

>>1801218

eh.. whatever

i tried redlining it for you not sure if it'll help much

>>1801111

Thats the reaction my diabetic dad had when he found out thorntons did Diabetic chocolates.

>>1801265
Don't forget that the neck can not turn like an owl's neck.

>>1801264
Thank you, anon. I'll go practice gesture drawing after watching some videos and hopefully I can start a new version of this drawing after some practice.

>>1801267
awwww shit nigga tanks for mah new reaction face

>>1801173
Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep working on figuring out how to work with the values on the face

>>1801218
Maybe this helps?

>>1801284
what the fuck is up with those eyes nigger is she a bushbaby

>>1801227
website?

>>1801289
To be fair, the original has huge eyes.

>>1801289
HOLY SHIT JESUS YOU'RE RIGHT

>>1801259
I think its because her right cheek looks plain. I need to draw and paint her cheekbone using the values like other anon pointed out.

>>1801271
I took refference from this photo. If wasn't for her hair covering her neck it would had the skin curves. That's why I had a problem with her eyes, as well.

Thanks all for your feedback, anon. I really mean it.

>>1801268
brillant.jpg

>>1800987
Thanks, I'm afraid I've since then fused the layer, fixed somewhat the shape of her head and some other stuff but I feel like I'm starting to lose hope on this one.

Thanks for the feedback.

>>1801314
You wouldn't be able to see her right eye in this picture.

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>>1801324
>>1801324
>>1801324

>>1801290
None.

>>1799911
That thing is fucking adorable! I want to hold it and feed it a leaf!

>>1801478

>>1801824
look at the eyelids. You can't have the same expression if you have squid girls eyelids wide open with a thousand-yard stare. Her eyebrows shouldn't be so neutral either. look at the picture. she has a bit of a natural frown going on there.