/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1790676
You can spend a billion dollars for shit like that, but it will never make you a good artist.

>>1790689
how is that related to OPs question?

Read the rules

>>1790690
Because either you just go and buy it because your pockets are overflowing with cash, or you're tempted by the thought that it will help you git gud.

>>1790734
yeah, or you have the money but dont want to just waste money and are looking for opinions on the pros and cons of cintiqs. its like saying you shouldnt ever use anything other than crayons because pencils wont make you git gud.

>>1790736
Pencils don't cost several thousand dollars.

>>1790738
for some people, several thousand dollars isnt so much that you only want to buy it if you think youll magically become mullins.

>>1790690

If you are shit, buying anything, even if it is an over priced gadget or the most economic piece of hardware created by man, you are still going to be shit.

>>1790690
>>1790734
>>1790742
>>1790769

I work as a Visual Art Director in an Entertainment and Media company and we are probably going to upgrade some hardware and there's some extra money for equipment.

I've been looking online for good reviews however I couldn't find that many that gives an objective, unbiased review. So I thought, hey, why not /ic/ but then I remembered that the place is filled with lulz.

But still, just asking for people's opinions on whether it was a good investment - or if they've tried it before what were the pros and cons.

I'm thinking the 22HD version. Tne reason for this is because I never got around to testing it.

I'd get a second hand older one. I'm using a Cintiq 17SX which only cost £400 on eBay.
The only problem with that is the lack of support.

>>1790797
I had one of the original small cintiqs once and it was absolute shit. Can't speak for the bigger/newer ones tho.

Painting at a vertical surface requires a change of technique and fatigues your arm. Painting at a horizontal screen kills your neck.

Here's my experience with the small one:
There was a huge gap between the screen and the pen, which was really disorienting, especially because it's physically impossible to calibrate the screen properly for that, unless your head is always exactly in the same place in relation to the screen. The screen was slippery as fug, and the backlight was not bright at all. My cursor started shaking when I brought it near the edges, and I required a glove to use the tablet because of the surface. The cursor has lag, which I also found extremely disorienting. It happens with normal tablets too, but you don't see it because it isn't connected to the tip of your stylus. The cables and shit didn't make it feel any better or more convenient.

>>1790806
>>1790798

Thanks a lot. I'm looking into the newer models so everything is upto date.

>>1790676
I got on of these for free because my uncle co-owned an electronics store that got shut down, so I can safely say I have no bias in terms of the "oh shit, I spent thousands of dollars on this, I'll force myself to like/enjoy it" sort of thing.

Overall I really like the cintiq, I use it every single day. All this elitist shit about IT WONT MAKE U GUD aside, I think it's a quality product and absolutely blows traditional tablets out of the water in terms of work quality and speed. Obviously there's a bit of a learning curve, like with every single tablet ever, but in term of the end result there is no comparison at all between normal tablet and actually being able to draw directly onto your medium.

Funnily enough, getting one of these really helped my drawing skills as I was able to blast out a million gestures/ studies at a time without a single care in the world. The price is steep as hell, yes, but they really are amazing things.

I have a 13HD, didn't think it was so great at first but now I couldn't go back to using a regular tablet. It does help a lot being able to draw directly on a screen. There are a few brands around but I'd stick to wacom because their build quality is good even though they overprice everything.

Here's my unbiased review: I don't have a cintiq and I'm happy as fuck with my Intuos 4L. I did try to draw on screen with Samsung Galaxy Notepad and I can honestly say that while you do feel more control over your lines, the cons of a hot screen, hand in the way and unavoidable scratches and body oil on the screen far outweigh the benefit. You can develop as good hand eye coordination with practice, but i guess some people are too ADD for that.

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>>1790982
that takes care of one problem, leaving hand in the way, hot screen (now with warm sweaty glove) and scratches. but i know that artists get used to even that. people are capable to get used to anything. so i'd say that if you REALLY need that line control, get the fucking cintiq and also buy a mount or a reclining table.

>>1790986
As a cintiq owner I can confirm the screen doesn't get hot (at least not on the latest models) It also has a solid unscratchable screen.

>>1790986

THIS.

I got an Ergotron arm for my 13 HD. I had to mod a tablet bracket with a dremel, but it gives me no back pain at all while drawing.

obviously not as good as a cintiq, does anyone have any experience with the Thinkvision LTP1423p?

>>1791063
is the hybrid worth the $400?

>>1790736
the pro is they are the best penable display...
the con is they are severely overpriced, and uc logic displays are catching up... they are just attached to shitty monitors right now.

really its a tossup between the two...

the recommendation is that you get a tablet and try for the life of you to get use to that.

i have never used a cintiq, but i have used penable displays, for me a tablet never feels real, it doesn't feel right... no mater what, i have used tablets for the better part of a decade... but they never felt natural...

than i tried a phone in a store with a pressure sensitive pen (i think wacom) and it felt right.

for me i could really benefit from a penable display, but i cant accept wacoms prices and i cant accept uclogics shit they attach it to.

>>1790738
pencils aren't digital.

>>1790797
ask you artists if they are comfortable with tablets or not... not everyone is the same.

if it gets work done faster and better, than go balls deep, but if its not going to improve much, or if people would prefer normal tablets, its not a good inverstment...

this is more a case by case basis for being better or not. like i said, personally, i cant get use to tablets and penable displays feel right to me but everyone isn't the same.

I recently got a Wacom Companion, and drawing on the actual screen feels waaay better. Really patched the gap between the quality of my traditional & digital artworks.

My only complaint is that the pen and cursor don't line up when they're within an inch of the edges, which makes it hard to click small buttons. (Though I'm not sure if that happens to other models and sizes)

>>1790676
>>1790797
I have the 22HD. Overpriced? Yes. Is it good though? Definitely. The materials used makes it feel like a quality product (even if they may be cheap materials, I woudn't know). Painting on it is smooth and makes everything feel more natural, there's some kind of intrinsic quality to it that compels you to work harder/better, although it's not a cure for lack of skill/knowledge and won't help you git gud. If you are a professional artist and for some reason have the dosh to spare, go ahead and get it, you won't regret it. If you're a hobbyist and don't plan to make a career out of art, don't bother as its overkill. Get the Yiynova instead, as the price to performance ratio is pretty good.

You will need a desk arm and a desk that's some slightly high than your waist though - otherwise you're not going to be able to get a good drawing angle on it.

>>1791189
i think most desks are slightly higher than your waist. that's like, the standard desk height. otherwise you wouldn't be able to fit your legs under it. ...:P

>>1791164
>the pen and cursor don't line up when they're within an inch of the edges
This has always been an issue with all of Wacom's tablets - it just so happens that it's easier to spot on panels that include a display.

Unless they've recently discovered a way around this limitation, your tablet is functioning normally. I'd definitely take the time to confirm from other sources though.

>>1791189

I bought the Cintiq13HD - in complete agreement with everything this anon has said. Bought an intuos pro large not too long after, and I'm much happier with it than the cintiq.

>>1791193
I've used cintiqs in two places - mine at home and in class. At home it's a combination of my retarded desk and chair, the cintiq sits at about chest high for me. I still use it regardless, but in class the desks were much lower and more comfortable to use as a result.

Maybe I should get a new desk/chair or something.

Buy it only if you're serious about art as a profession or if you have plenty of money to spend on your hobbies. You should probably get the 22" or 24" versions if they're fairly priced where you live. The smaller ones are too small.
I have a 12WX and while it served its purpose well (overambitious graduation film), it's severely scratched and is hard to work on in the summer. At work I have a 22HD which is really nice. I want to buy one for home but that shit is like 3000$ here for the non-touch version.

>>1791248
>>1791212
>>1791202
>>1791189

Thanks folks, this actually gives me more of an insight compared to all the shitty-ass reviews I've been reading so far.

I think I need to try it out for myself as well to see how it feels.

>>1790676
I switched to my old intous 4 after 6 month of using 24HD.

>>1790676
What is the best position of the cintiq to draw(angle, height etc)? I tried several postions and all of the feel unnatural

>>1791498
It varies from person to person, I like mine angled slightly.

>>1790797

Unrelated, but I want to be an Art Director. How did you get in the field/what should I do?

>>1791515

step 1: get moderately competent at art
step 2: suck executive dick
step 3: you are now an art director

>>1791495
may i ask, why?

>>1791521

not having your hand infront of your canvas is a little valued luxury.

>>1791527
Was that the only reason? Doesn't that happen anyway when working with most traditional media?

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>>1791005
Is it important to get a screen protector or do the nibs not damage the screen over time?

>>1791531
Traditional media has a billion handicaps that digital art does not have. That's the reason most people prefer digital instead. Why is this handicap any different.

>>1791539
Because it's so minor that I have trouble even calling it a handicap. Plus the benefits of having an easier, more intuitive way of placing your marks outweighs that disadvantage, especially if you do any linework.

Also, couldn't you solve that problem by just mirroring your canvas to a second display. That way you can always have a full view of the entire canvas without having to adjust the zoom on the screen you're working on.

>>1791544
I would most definitely consider a quarter of your view blocked being a handicap.

>>1791544
>Plus the benefits of having an easier, more intuitive way of placing your marks outweighs that disadvantage, especially if you do any linework.

it's really the same

>couldn't you solve that problem by just mirroring your canvas to a second display.

sure but then why get a cintiq in the first place. you can always rent one and see how it feels.

I'm gonna paste this other anon's comments on various tablets and laptop/tablets (from /co/):

>Pro 1 and 2
basically older Cintiqs. Hardware is made by the same company, though the drivers and hardware are different. Pro 1 and 2 are identical as far as drawing goes, just different specs. Used Pro 1 for a year and a half and liked it a lot. Works with everything if you install Wacom's "Feel" Drivers. The Wacom Bamboo Feel Pen works great on it and is preferred, though the one in the box works just as well.

>Pro 3
uses N-Trig instead of Wacom. Less parallax, but waaaaay less pressure levels (SP1&2 = 1024, New Generation Wacoms = 2048, N-Trig = 256 or something crazy low.) The pen also requires bluetooth and a battery. Do not get the Pro 3.

>Galaxy Note (both the phone and tablet)
Wacom Feel technology again. Android is pretty limited as far as drawing software goes, but using the phone to sketch is really neat for commutes. It beats trying to draw on an iOS device.

>>1791547
A hand in a drawing position does not cover a quarter of the screen, even on a 13".

>>1791548
I use a tabletpc myself, and couldn't dream going back to my old intuos. I'm just surprised because my experience with drawing directly on the screen feels a lot more natural and pleasant. To each their own I guess.

Out of curiosity, are you bothered by your hand when you're drawing in a sketchbook too?

>>1791572
>Lenovo
I'm not crazy about the actual casing/spine/etc, but I'm certain the ones that are "penabled" are all Wacom. At least some of themare, anyways. Same performance as the Surface Pro 1&2, but I prefer my Pro1 because you can fold the keyboard over/remove it. It's still real nice, though!

>Cintiq Companion
It's kinda big and heavy, so it's not terribly portable, but it's got an i7 processor whereas the early Surface is running an i5 (Pro 3 offers more options). This is a full fledged current gen Cintiq, meaning you're getting 2048 pressure levels instead of 1024.

Not terribly familiar with other brands as far as specs go. The Surface Pro and the Lenovo work well as far as speed goes, but they'll chug if you're working on a 98"x48" vector with 14 layers (I seriously had a coworker hand me a 14 layer AI once...). If you're a student or on a budget, I think they're excellent products. The Cintiq Companion is for someone who is working professionally on big products (and can use it as a tax writeoff).

OH! Before I forget, 99% of these can output to a second display.

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I think Cintiqs are out of many of our budgets so this guy's comments made me start thinking about laptop/tablets (I need to replace my laptop anyway).

>>1791574
>Out of curiosity, are you bothered by your hand when you're drawing in a sketchbook too?

no, not at all. strange... i've never thought of that. one would expect it to bother me but i never even noticed. maybe it has something to do with the different workflow of digital where you zoom in, and out, and just move around/over the canvas in a different way.

is it true that a cintiq 22hd feels like your writing on paper?

Bit unrelated but i had a huion h610 pro and, truth be told, i never got the hang of digital art coming from a very long traditional school background.

However, just today, i was fooling around with it in photoshop and a trial from manga studio and noticed it was running very slow and laggy on the mac so i installed newer drivers.

All i have to say it became so addictive and fun that i immediately bought the new manga studio aka clip studio pro with the 60% discount and well the huion h610 works flawlessly, zero input lag, very precise, lots of fun.

I recommend it, if you are looking for a reliable drawing pad.

Feel free to ask further questions.

>>1791782
it is COMPLETELY unrelated, it is a common tablet. not a fucking screen tablet like cintiq.

>>1791753
lolno, it feels like glass for the most part. Not slick glass as there's a slight texture (like, 10% texture), but its barely noticeable.

>>1791534
Don't bother getting a screen protector. The screen is made of solid plastic that wouldn't scratch unless you took a chainsaw to it.

>>1791824
It smudges easy as fugg though, so wash your hands.

>>1791539
most people i know would rather work traditionally, but time and money prevent that.
paint costs money, and mistakes cost time, something in digital you are free of, mistakes are far easier to fix if they are small, and programs are fairly cheap if you look at how much you use them vs what the cost would be traditionally.

>>1791544
because of problems with wacom's bigger monitors, and price, ill most likely get a uc logic based penable monitor, and use my current monitor as a mirror when i draw. it skirts around the issue of the uc logic monitors being shit (panel quality wise) compared to wacom

>>1791547
considering that any part of the canvas that my hand would be covering, is not a place i'm working, it wouldn't be an issue to me.

>>1791574
a 24 inch monitor here, i would say my hand on the monitor takes up about 1/8 to 1/10 the screen if i'm working in the middle, is i stretch it to reach the top i would say possibly up to 1/5th

>>1791824
one day, you are working, and somehow a grain of sand gets on the tip of your pen, just as you are making a cross screen stroke... now your 2 grand+ monitor has a scratch, one you cant buff out, all because you didn't get a screen protector.

look, you are making a large investment here. getting what is literally a 24$ protector is worth it.

>>1791833
>one day, you are working, and somehow a grain of sand gets on the tip of your pen, just as you are making a cross screen stroke... now your 2 grand+ monitor has a scratch, one you cant buff out, all because you didn't get a screen protector.
THIS
also a screen protector can change the surface feeling of the screen, got the anti reflection for the cintiq 13 hd from atfolix and the screen now feels more like the surface of a normal tablet which is a lot better compared to the normal glas. whats a bit anoying is a slight glittering effect that occurs when using anti reflection protectors and screens with high ppi.

>>1790676
We have this model at my [spoilers]art school[/spoiler]. They are addictive as fuck and extremely intuitive. I use it whenever i'm there but i have a regualr tablet at home.

I emphasize the fact that buying WON'T make you a better artist but it does give some nice control over the medium.

I'd recommend sticking to a regular tablet if you are just beginning to work in digital. exercise the ability to draw without looking at the actual surface and look at the screen. It helps a ton with hand eye co-ordination.

They are expensive but I think for an advance user it's desirable if you can afford it. for the love of god don't max out your credit card on this

Im looking for something that doesnt have a distance between the pen and the picture (so you actually feel like your drawing, not transmitting)

>>1792852
Paper or Canvas might be something you might want to try

>>1792852
Even the Cintiq has that shit.

Just go traditional.

>>1792856
>>1792853

then whats the point of the high quality ones?!

>>1792852
>>1792856
My Cintiq13HD has no noticable parallax, only a bit near the edges. Just calibrate that shit properly.

>>1791189
Agree with this Anon. If you're already a professional - that is, you make your living off digital art - it will help your workflow, provide quality feedback and is worth the extra $$$. If you're still learning - just get the Intuos or Yiynova.

As someone who got a digitizer after 10 years of regular tablets I'm glad I made the switch. It doesn't make you any better, though maybe a bit faster/steadier, but the comfort of work is so much better I'm far more inclined to just sit down and work whenever I have time to spare.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Yiynova MSP19?

>>1793019
>Yiynova MSP19
1 VGA Input, 1 VGA Output

i don't have first hand experience, but i do know people who have used them.

when it comes to a penable display, wacom and uc logic based ones have problems, wacom may have finally got around to fixing their problems (hardware ones at least, they never fix non critical driver ones) but here is the thing, these monitors are usually 1/4th the price...

if you have a good lcd already, than half the problem is over, you can use the penable display as the tablet and look at the finished result on the better display.

there are lemons when you get these, so be aware you may be sending them back, but they aren't bad... its really hard to explain.

im considering getting one because i just cant get use to a tablet, 10 years of using one and it still feels wrong to me... this is a solid choice if you cant dive into a wacom, and even if you can, its still an option because there are problems on both sides of this coin.

is it easier then drawing with a mouse on Microsoft paint?

because
if it is
I will pay a lot of money for it

>>1793070
Same anon with 22HD here, I owned the original MSP19 so I can only comment on the first version.

The price - performance ratio was amazing, and if you're on a budget/hobbyist, it's almost a no-brainer to get the MSP19U, which is the current version. The MSP19U switched out the shitty Waltop digitizer for a UC-Logic one, the Waltop had an issue with being unable to properly track lines due to its weird low-resolution grid system. UC-Logic fixed all that, and arguably has better line quality than even the Cintiq (although not by a huge margin). Painting-wise, Yiynova VS Cintiq is no different.

The Yiynova feels notably...well, cheaper. It's heavy and sturdy as hell, and feels like it's built to withstand some punishment, but the plastic screams "generic". Luckily the hardware makes up for any physical shortcomings. Although the MSP19U is not 1080p and does not come with any color profiles or calibration, which is why they made the 22HD although that's significantly pricier.

tl;dr: Yiynova is pretty good, get it if you want a tablet monitor and don't want to/can't shell out for a Cintiq. You won't regret it either way.

>>1793501
>budget
>$619

>>1793506
Your other option is the Monoprice, which is terrible with its tablet monitor. It's all relative.

>>1793506
thinkvision lt1423p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2_7VpjOKGc
http://surfaceproartist.com/blog/2014/6/10/lenovo-thinkvision-lt1423p-the-poor-mans-cintiq

looks promising

>>1793506
a penable wacom monitor starts at 1000$ for 13 inches, to get roughly the same size work space you need to shell out 2 grand. in that context about 500$~ (you can find them about that price) is reasonable and a budget alternative.

problems that old cintiqs had made the 500$ monitors a toss up as to which is better quality wise. more recent ones may have changed that but i haven't looked into it for the better part of a year.

>>1793831
id like to see how that handles on a real pc, because the lag i was seeing may have just been because the laptop wasn't handling it good or possibly even a lazy mouse setting in that program to smooth the lines.

God, why 24hd has fcking glint effect? Is it because of IPS? It seems like a soft glint or glimmer on the panel surface, or when you wet your tv/monitor

The surface pro has been mentioned, anyone else have any thoughts towards using touchscreen laptops/laptop-tablet hybrids? I'm keen on the idea, certainly cheaper than a cintiq and a bit cheaper than a new laptop + yiynova/monoprice.

i've been using the companion hybrid for a while now and have recently switched it to intuos mode, drawing on monitor with companion on my lap. there is an anti-glare filter that completely distorts your colours with a rainbow haze of noise up close, so subtle colour and edge work is impossible. I've been told to take the device apart and scrape this off the screen but it's way too expensive a gadget for that.

It's also too small to use at home as a screen tablet, my hand covers half of it when painting (frustrating) and it makes so much more sense to use an intuos with a decent screen until you have that perfect coordination (which really doesn't take long to get). its far too heavy to paint outside with, there's so many cheaper and better tablets these days for that. for line-work, the innacuracy is also too frustrating for me, i'm more accurate with an intuos.

having a tablet high up on your desk isn't the best thing for guys with frequent RSI or other arm problems, and the companion in particular has a terrible stand so you'd need to purchase another.

i know this isn't the cintiq, but just some considerations to combat the 'if you're professional and have dosh to spare, definitely buy one' posts. that goes against what all the incredible artists i admire swear by.
i have used cintiqs and much of the same problems for that nonsense pricetag. some of those cheaper non-wacom options sound much more reasonable if you just do lineart.

>but waaaaay less pressure levels (SP1&2 = 1024, New Generation Wacoms = 2048, N-Trig = 256 or something crazy low.)
if you're just using photoshop, you should know it's not picking up more than 10-20 levels per stroke and averages those. just make a brush with size to pressure and see for yourself.
when we realised the int4 and 5's needed constant nib purchases and had cable problems, people who didn't paint often defended their more expensive purchases over the int3 with the '2048 levels of sensitivity' - it's just marketing.

>>1793957
a regular laptop with an intuos is much more comfortable and efficient to paint with en plein air, or even just at a coffee shop.

>>1793831
http://www.animationinsider.com/2014/06/cintiq-killer-the-thinkvision-lt1423p/
>thick glass and parallax
>"Eraser and second side-switch functionality do not work on this device, even if the stylus has those features itself."
and it all sounds not too difference from my Galaxy Note which is cheaper and total crap for drawing because of said issues.

>>1793974
then again, lugging it around is annoying and you need space for that. A sp2 you just put in your lap and sketch. They aren't really fit for serious work, but they work well for getting mobility, not just for drawing but for a laptop as well. In the future there will be better options available, everything on the market right now pretty much stinks in some way. I could use my sp2 well if the calibration wasn't impossible to fix completely. Adobe with old tracking tech, wacom with poor driver, microsoft with bad build quality, and windows with bad calibration software.

>>1793501
how much parallax has Yinova vs. Cintiq? Does Yinova heat up? because that and working buttons on a pen are all that matter to me.

>>1790797
Go to frenden.com, he makes good reviews of cintiqs and derivatives.

OP, I've used a Cintiq companion and it's pretty nice. It will take some time to get used to it, though, since there's always a bit of cursor lag and you have to calibrate it first (I only used it on a wacom booth at an animation convention and it was awfully calibrated, but I could get what they're aiming for with the hardware).

Older Cintiqs always felt too weird to me because the glass was a bit too thick, it's weird to explain. Also, colors used to be garbage, so it was difficult to paint.

>>1793957
I have the SP2, I personally found it a fantastic device when I have a purpose for it. If you're outside a lot and want to carry your digital work with you, an SP2 is terrific not to mention its capabilities as a kind-of laptop. If you don't have the time/need to draw outside all the time, it's pointless as the price is fairly high, a Yiynova would be a better option in that price range. Personally nowadays I use my 22HD more than my SP2, but when the need arises It's handy to have around.

>>1793993
They have about the same level of parallax, the older model Yiynova had some slight parallax, the pen tip was always slightly above the brush by a couple pixels, nothing major. Same with the Cintiq, although to a lesser degree. I believe the current Yiynova models have this fixed. Also yes, they both heat up. Yiynova less so as the heat is concentrated at the bottom of the screen (where your hand wont be resting) while the cintiq's is kind of spread out. The heat is a negligible issue on both though.

>>1794113
its not a kind of laptop. it is an ultrabook.

>>1794200
you dint have many friends, amirite?

>>1794230
you don't have many brains in your head do you

>>1794113
I'm hesitant about a surface pro 2 because it seems a bit small to be my only device (i havent a laptop or computer). I wonder if it would be a good companion to a regular laptop, hooked up in place of a cintiq or yiynova. Its more expensive than a yiynova but you get a drawing tablet and a full fledged machine that can be used apart from the laptop while the yiynova's only function is as a drawing tablet.

In your opinions (experiences and or expertise ) what tablet would be best for someone looking to get into digital art? for about $70-$80 price and performance wise

>>1790734
>>1790736
>git gud
shut the fuck up, jesus christ
it's bad enough on /v/

>>1794282
Scrub detected

what makes a cintiq 22hd better then a cintiq 13hd?

>>1794259
Dont do that. Get a regular laptop and an intuos. If you dont even have a computer you have no business looking at rice.

>>1794200
Wouldn't even call it an ultrabook, since it lacks a physical keyboard bundled in. It's a tablet, but can serve in the same role as a laptop if needed.

>>1794259
>>1794326
This. If you need a way to work digitally, building a desktop for less than a grand then buying an Intuos (pro) is still going to be cheaper and better than getting an SP2. The SP2 is really only useful as a niche thing. The screen size also depends from person to person, I got used to it fairly quickly but some others I know couldn't, your mileage may vary.

>>1794278
I accidentally bought the bamboo for the same reason it seems like a nifty little tablet but like everyone said the drawing space sucks, using the wrist hurts, if you are used to it keep it, for better work upgrade right away

>>1794315
>what makes a cintiq 22hd better then a cintiq 13hd?

Work space

I'll need to stick to a laptop since I dont have the room for a desktop (i havent a desk nor the room for it other than the dinner table) but the thoughts were otherwise appreciated. I went to look at some laptops today and admittedly balked at the price. We'd always gotten our desktops free through my father's work and I bought my first (now dead) laptop in some sort of flash deal where I saved about five hundred dollars on it so I've never had to spend so much on a piece of tech. I was kind of hoping the SP2 could cover all the bases but its rather small.

Meant to reply to

>>1794341
>>1794326

>>1794690
thats it?

the cintiq 22hd is just bigger?

>>1794278
Assuming you don't plan on using SAI or an Lenovo laptop (not sure about Thinkpads), a Monoprice or Huion.

>>1790689

But it can certainly help you grow as one. I for one never dealt in colors before I bought my tablet because I couldn't afford copics. 3124

>>1790797
I'm studying game art and I intern at an AAA studio during the summers. I still use my intuos 4 large but my friend who draws commissions all day every day got a RSI from that and bought a cintiq. Says it is wonderful and is giving her better posture, accuracy and overall painting is more comfortable and accurate. I'm guessing there is a reason this device is marketed towards pros. Get this for seniors and such I guess. Then again I know there are entire studios who use intuos 4's and still push out good stuff.

Either spend money on cintiq or use it to kit out the lounge so employees are happier and rest better.

>>1794691
I got myself an asus n56jr or something. Fantastic screen, I can use large canvases in photoshop and paint as good as my desktop ad it is light, tiny and looks good. Keyboard is weird tho.

>>1791189
I heard the 22, unlike the 24, has terrible color accuracy. Like, 80% at most. Isn't that a problem for you?

Surface PRO 1/2 or Sintiq 13HD?

New Cintiq 13HD, used Cintiq 21UX or new Surface Pro 1/2?

>>1794694
Yes. The workspace affects the way you work and your comfort level though.

>>1794864
The color accuracy isn't that bad, it's definitely not calibrated for print but the color accuracy I would say is somewhere between 80-90% correct, the things that look different tend to be minor or negligible. Unless you have a monitor with a custom color profile, then I can't do anything there as everything will look different.

>>1794886
21UX for home use, SP2 for outside use.

>>1794704
I use a Huion with SAI and haven't had any problems. I thought the only problem is if you have multiple monitors.

>>1790689
This

>>1790676
Git gud nerd
Pic related, it's me and my bitch

>>1795064
what are you working on? post pic.

>>1795034
do you have to constantly start and stop to resize the picture for the cintiq 13hd?


also do they do that thing like other tablets where you have to move the pen like a cm off the screen to move it around
and if you move it any farther away from the screen it disconnects?

I just want a tablet that's as close to real drawing as possible

>>1795089
you'd have to get a 12x9 or huge LCD screen tablet like OP and they aren't cheap

>>1795091

well does it feel like real drawing?
I have the money

what is it called if so

>>1795114

if by "real" you mean comfortable and you can actually see what your drawing while you draw it and not (having to draw and stay focused on a monitor with nothing on the tablet) then yes

I hope you have $1000-$2000

>Cintiq 22 HD

>>1795089
>also do they do that thing like other tablets where you have to move the pen like a cm off the screen to move it around
>and if you move it any farther away from the screen it disconnects?
That sounds like a tablet in mouse mode, not pen mode. The pen shouldn't be detected when it's more than an inch away from the surface, but it shouldn't affect any marks you make.

If the cursor is in the bottom right corner of the screen, and you introduce the tablet pen in the top left corner of the tablet, the cursor should jump to the top left corner of the screen. The cursor is always wherever the pen is - if it's functioning like a mouse where you have to drag the pen repeatedly in a direction to get the cursor to move across the screen, then there's something wrong with the settings or the driver.

Are you the same anon that asked about this last time?

>>1795089
I don't have the 13HD so I can't comment about it specifically, although I have a Surface Pro 2 which is even smaller than the 13HD, and I never resize my image. I always work larger then scale down into a JPG when I'm done.

I'm not sure what you mean but if you move the pen off the screen about a centimeter to an inch, the cintiq will still track it. It's only when you move further away that it stops detect it, however if you bring it back the cursor will by right where your pen tip is. It is as close to real drawing/painting as you can get digitally. Looking up videos of people working on cintiqs would probably serve you better as it's kind of hard to explain.

>>1794794
>not developing color literacy through painting and mixing paint

I kickass at color because of hours and hours, and hours of forced oil and acrylic painting. Mixing on the fly made me so much better than before I started painting. It really helps you develop how colors mix with each other and associate with one another. It's much better to learn this traditionally and then apply it digitally than learning digitally alone and playing the color picker guessing game.

>>1795121
does the cintiq 22hd have a noticeable parallax

>>1790689

It will make more it feasible to do digital inking without considering suicide, though.

>>1795401
Inking is pretty easy on normal tablet as well once you get used to it. Which doesn't take long at all. Maybe a week or two.
Just have to get that initial hand-to-eye coordination established.

>>1795995
Not that anon, but i really never get "used" to my tablet.
idk if its just cause i have a fuck small tablet and use a fuck big screen but it just.. it doesn't feel right., mainly curving lines

Get the Monoprice. Yes, it's viewing angles aren't great but it works like a charm and it's about $400. I love mine.

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=10707

>>1790676
Sorry to piggy back on your thread but I'm torn

I CANT FUCKING DECIDE WHAT TABLET TO GET

my budget goes up to prolly about 7-800 right now I have 650 so I'd LIKE TO BUY SOMETHING as soon as possible but I'm torn between all these tablets

Cintiq 12HD (Used)

Bosto 19in (Monitor Tablet)

HUION GT 190 19in

now the Monoprice (Thanks to the anon above me)

and the Yiynova MSP19U


Help please anon's I'm dying here

>>1795401
>>1797678
Inking on regular tablet was always a huge pain in the ass. I sometimes had to redo a line 3-4 times before it looked the way I wanted, especially more flowy, curved ones. And it wasn't the shitty hardware, since I worked on Intuos 4 M, so both very responsive and decently sized. 4 years and it never gotten easier.

No issue with inking on Cintiq though, the lines are far more steadier, land exactly where I want them to land and the pressure is more accurate.

it's your looking to blow some money think about getting one or more of the alternative pens. the one with proper direction detection must be fab. and the airbrush one is probably what we'd all use if we weren't attached to using something the same shape as a stylus

>>1797696
>>>/g/

>>1797696
Samsung 7 Series Slate

>>1797680
did you get the new drivers to improve the viewing angles?

http://surfaceproartist.com/blog/2014/6/24/monoprice-interactive-pen-display-now-worth-a-second-look

>>1793489
you could also just buy a normal tablet for much cheaper and get Manga Studio or photoshop

thinking of getting the companion hybrid especially since it dropped to $1400

My reason for wanting the hybrid over the windows companion is because over time both will be obsolete in terms of hardware
with the hybrid, at least it can still be used as a cintiq

yah or nah

Is anyone going to get the new Huion GT-220? Its got an IPS display, 21.5" 1080p and dvi/hdmi for $900.

Frenden is going to review it soon. I'm contemplating preordering it because there is a discount and it seems like the best of the cintiq alternatives so far.

>>1794825
Where do you study? link to website pls

are we always going to have these fucking threads around or is the fucking janitor going to do his job

>>1800379
why do these threads bother you so much?

>>1800382
they're specifically against the rules for one thing. and for good reason, in the old days most of the threads on the front page would be tablet threads.

>>1798393
I think I've always had those drivers. I can't imagine what it would be like without them. The viewing angles still aren't great but It's not a big deal to me.

>>1798393
>http://surfaceproartist.com/blog/2014/6/24/monoprice-interactive-pen-display-now-worth-a-second-look

>$397

BASED MONOPRICE I bet a used one would be even more affordable (now to find someone dumb enough to actually get rid of it)

>>1800447
how bad are they?
Thinking of picking one up

do you have to have close to 90 degrees?

>>1800858
kinda