/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Please rape me with red line

>>1788543

it's complete utter crap

>>1788546

Worst critique if you can even call it that, iv ever seen

>>1788557
you must be new.

>>1788560

nope.

>>1788546 is just shit posting if that's all the he has to offer

>>1788566

Telling you your drawing is crappy isn't shitposting.

>>1788543
I don't feel like redrawing the whole image. You'll get a head.

>>1788573

Then its the most lazy and easiest way of critiquing.

>>1788543
Why do all noobs draw the far eye so small compared to the near one? I did the same thing. Eyes are not far away from each other enough that there should be a noticeable size difference.

>>1788577

I can critique you however I want, you aren't my boss.

>>1788588
Not him but I always did it ecause I wanted to go for a fisheye perspective effect. To say the least I had no idea what I was doing and it never looked like that.

>>1788606
If you are going for the fisheye effect, then you have to apply for the entire image, not just the eyes.

>>1788589
Stop calling it a critique, its a shitpost.

Somewhere along the way through touch ups, lining and rendering I feel like my drawings lose their "life".

Any tips for preventing this? It's like the longer I work on something the worse it looks.

Pic related, something I just started working on. (I am aware of the severely broken foot, I just noticed it as I was putting the image comparison together.)

>>1788614
Figure drawing and gesture drawing. Shit's obvious, dude.

>>1788614

You can't fucking paint. Learn to properly draw first.

>>1788614
Her pose is like it's encased in eyes. Try to make it more dynamic.
Look up "line of action". Then practice.

>>1788614
Thats what happens when you draw from a shit game with generic characters.
Your art becomes shit because the characters are shit.

>>1788620
>eyes
Ice, dammit.

Trying to get somewhere with this and failing

>>1788614
What I'm beginning to find is that during the construction phase, you always lose life, emotion, and feeling. It seems the only way to get by this is doing what they do in animation drawings and simply go for truth rather than construction, anatomy, persepective.

Where the gesture and the final drawing are one. Sure when you ink it you'll lose a little life most of the time, but it's a lot less when coldly calculating everything and making it a correct. I wonder, if the slight imperfections in our art is what makes them unique, and interesting.... Perhaps 2 or 3 forms and a line of action are good enough when it comes to creating a successful drawing.

Of course, this is all just my theory from watching certain artists I like, and I do still believe a solid foundation of anatomy, form, perspective, gesture, and construction must be built... but when going for life and stylization, I almost wonder if the calculations and construction do more harm than good. That not trusting yourself and having confidence in your skills makes it look a little lifeless...

Anyways, I'm rambling on. Just a thought that I've been playing around with.

Trying to get somewhere with this and failing.

>>1788629
I think his body should be more defined through shading and lighting. The direction of the light is also a bit odd.

>>1788616
>>1788620
Thanks guys. Now that you've mentioned it I noticed that the sketch lacks movement too, it was just being masked by the sketchy lines.
Working on things by yourself all the time, it gets hard to notice these things sometimes.
Thank you very much for your help.

>>1788627
This is a very interesting thought. I think I'll experiment more and play around with those kinds of things. I obviously don't have a strong grasp of the fundamentals right now, and I definitely lack confidence and it shows.
These things will hopefully all come with more practice and experience. Thank you for your input.

>>1788634
>his
>clearly he drew a girl with a dick

i was going to do this really quickly but then i started painting and it got out of hand and is taking forever

i like the face on the sketch a lot better, so im going to try and fix it more like that. but any suggestions/ red lines before i do anything else?

>>1788666
Just some form and design suggestions, nothing major. I'm digging this, I would finish it if I were you.
The green is just me figuring out the form, the orange lines are my suggestions.

It only gets messier as I keep on working. I can't seem to get that under control even when using a lot of layers.

>>1788684
you can always clean up

>>1788614
Exaggerate your sketches. Vary line weight.

>>1788684
The man at the background is built like a Titan.

Ie. is a fucking brick and has no concept of a waist, go fix that.

>>1788680
i do like what you did with the hand, feels more natural. i also had the arm cannon more like you orange lined it, but i lined it up with the side of the picture so i could get straight lines. i probably would have forgotten to change it back, so thank you for that

ill post more progress if i get around to working on it soon

>>1788610
I know that, I just didn't know what perspective or foreshortening was at the time so it led to people with wonky faces and tiny lower bodies. I think it just became a bad habit and carried onto my other work. That's not the case now anyways.

Not very experienced, how does it look? Anything I should change right away?

>>1788745
Move her belly button a little bit to the right, it's off of her centerline at the moment. I have some problems with the proportions but that's probably just the style.

>>1788629
That neck is too thin/ broken as fuck and the head along with it looks wrong, it also looks like you've neglected to shade the chest, which makes it look like a cylinder. It is such an exaggerated pose you would probably see some rib cage at the very least.

I can't fix it, but for the next time what should i keep in mind?

>>1788774
I dig it.

I think the face would look much better if the nose wasn't so long and the octopus isn't sitting on her head very convincingly, too floaty. just ground him on her head a bit better next time. The shading on the tit on her right is very heavy handed. distracting. why didnt you just leave it like the other one.

>>1788645
I've got some bad news for you...

>>1788758
You mean to her right side correct, not to the right in the picture?

>>1788774
I really like your dedication anon. I think its really great you tried your best and even finished this piece. I think, however, it was a little doomed in the construction phase. Your very first part of construction and creating a drawing is to do a gesture within a composition. The composition is pretty simple so it can't be considered that bad but keep in mind its kind of like "anime girl standing there" style, its just a little lackluster. But I think that you would make the MOST improvement if you fixed the girl's gesture.
Realy I don't know why she has her hand on her eye like that, or why she has two fingers out. Its very unnatural. Also arm is twisting at a very awkward angle.
I think that the best course of action for you on your way to improvement would be to study gesture drawing. Just go on pixel lovely's gesture tool and do lots of 30 second + a few 10 minute gestures and you'll improve a lot. (The OCOTOPUS'S gesture is really good actually. Try to think more like that, natural and full of life)
One more thing- The feature's on her face arn't matching up correctly. Try the Loomi's head construction method. If you can't do that, just try putting lines down BEFORE you draw the features. Don't just freehand them one by one.
All in all its not a bad piece, I like your choice of colors a lot, enjoy the octopus and it has my curiosity.

>>1788793
>pixelovely
I've never heard of that page but is exactly what i need, thanks

>>1788780
Thanks to you too, i just can't seem to know when to leave a tit alone.

>>1788666
Skin looks pale, perhaps on purpose? Sorry, poor edit for suggestions. Feel free to ignore, especially since WIP.

>>1788787
the belly button is inbetween the bottom of the ribcage to the top of the pelvis
right its sitting on top of the pelvis line

>>1788840
*the belly button is sitting on top the of the pelvis line

>>1788680
hooo

>>1788845
almost

>>1788745
where are her nipples/areola?

Anyone got a word on this so far? I'm sure I'm missing something big that needs a fix.

>>1788892
The face looks like the Alien from American Dad, unless that's what you're going for...

>>1788840
I have a hard time following you, are you saying I should move the belly button up now? I don't think what you saw was the pelvis line. I tried to draw the way I see it, am I missing something?

>>1788882
eh I just draw them during coloring, I'm not gonna use any hard black lines for them but I'd reckon the position would about here in the picture.

>>1788894
Guess I could've mentioned she's a bird, but it's not that relevant considering the overall figure.

>>1788959
draw a spine on her and youll see how far you set your masses apart
if you cant do that i can redline it. i just dont have the time right now

>>1788892
The legs are my biggest issue with that picture, they look really bad and confusing, it's almost as if she is just raising her right leg at a broken angle. I also think her left leg's thigh is too long.

The chair doesn't seem to fit her pose that well, maybe try to turn it slightly to the viewer. Her right upper arm looks too short. I'd consider redrawing the connection between her left arm and shoulder, and the way that would bend over the chair.

>>1788977
After a quick google of "female skeleton" and looking at some references, yea I'm pretty sure you're right. But I like the long body look, so I'm gonna try and keep it as long as possible. It's supposed to be a blood elf, and they kinda have that look to them. Is the one on the right any better?

>>1789017
well the ol' mannerists were into the long body look too, you're not alone. it also happens that teenage girls often are a bit longer proportionally. or rather they look that way.

>>1788892
I feel it's gone shit, so I'm going to start over. Might as well see if any of the fixes I made actually did anything for it.

Working on the commission, it's of the New Ghost Rider, trying to do some justice to good ol' Tradd over here.
The arm and hand are off limits for re-working, though general critique on them is welcome.
Happy to rework any egregious errors in the rest of the sketch.
Also, progress shot conveniently shows the difference between my sketch and inks

>>1789610
Shit, sorry I didn't even think about how big that fucker is, it's just a camera shot.
The sketch is digital, thought I was going to go all the way this time but fuck that tablets are weird.

>>1789017
regardless of what you are aiming for there has to be room for proper proportions
so try different approaches to define her skeleton better instead of making her major masses longer. The arms and legs can take that place while you adjust the major masses to different sizes

>>1789619
also if you have not noticed her head is the size of her ribcage

does this count as studying?

>>1789728
Did you learn anything?

>>1789728
where is 5 a study of? I have a feeling I know but I'm just not sure

>>1789733
I learned that airbrush->eraser looks somewhat nice

>>1789736
pic related

>>1789728
Yes. You can learn different things as you need them.

>>1789705
you might consider making more progress on this for anything more useful but:
symmetry on the face is off
it's boring thus far
don't be dumb and put that fucking text over the image.

>>1789768
It's a sketch, and the text is part of the comp

>>1789795

>>1789754
Is that the artbook or just mishmash images ? I've been searching for the complete thing for a while now.

>>1789841
definitely not the art book, I found it off of google images...

could someone redline this pls? :3

>>1790030
here you go friend :)

>>1790035
But does it really display the character that i drew?

>>1789949
>taurs

I'd like to see more but only after you learned how to properly draw horse/deer/etc. half right

please help me with hair. I understand everything else is shit but i would like to focus on the hair.

I know it looks like shit, but please tell me why.
I personally spent the most time and got the least pleasing result form the skin, I can't get it to get the glow I wanted.
If there's a practical method for studying values then by all means let me know.

>>1790245
what's going on with that pose? Her arms are behind her back? But there are things sticking out of her hips? Is she stepping forward? Is that meant to be her thigh?

>>1790186
>I understand everything else

>>1790264
Yeah, Its supposed to be like that one pose she does in the game alot where she takes a step while slightly leaning over a bit. I guess I made the tilt of her upper body a bit to subtle. I tried making the hair imply a bit of motion but I guess I should take these things to a bit more of an extreme. I'll touch it up a bit so theres a little more clarity.

>>1790264
My memory of the game seems a bit hazy and this was the best I could find but this is the pose I mentioned.

Okay, I tweaked a few things to try and imply a bit more motion. Does this make more sense now, Or is the overall pose just trash?

>>1790279
Sorry for the sloppy edit. Try to understand the things I have done. The changes I made are not important, the reasoning behind it is. Some changes have no reasoning behind them, some could be plain wrong. If I were to go through the painting again, I might make different changes in different places such as the background/dress to try and keep original composition.

>the glow I wanted
Question I have for you: How do you see a glowstick glow?
Don't give me an answer, I don't care about your answer. What's important is that the answer makes sense to you. Transfer that reasoning to the canvas.

That answer alone is more important than my edit.

>>1790286
holy fucking shit either kill yourself or stop posting

Work in progress

>>1788774

You've got the makings of an interesting style.

Okay I'm done with this I've been working on it too long and I'm gonna call it a day. in all honesty it didn't come out the way I wished for but it still came out better than expected.

>>1790705
if you want something to shine you must put it behind something darker you dubble nigger holy shit.

>>1790733
Like this?
I dunno, I kinda like it a bit more but it just feels like my mistakes are more obvious now.

shit guys i can't do fabric i do studies but when in use on my painting those look wierd

help me

>>1790786
well you wanted the skin to shine so the triforce should be darker. When you squint your eyes you SHOULD be seeing a clear separation between light and shadow get some reference work it out more. I like the face and boobies.

>>1788629
>>1788634
I can see the neck thing, but when I try to thicken it its a little too masculine to me, sorry if it sounds like I'm just making excuses. For the ribcage, I left that little indent in the contour, but actually defining the ribs isn't really sexy to me, sorry.

No excuses on lighting, went for a general top-ish source with some more ambient light but somehow turned it into a shiny mess. shouganai ne, I'll give a more dedicated focus to it next time around.

>>1790812
how about you do something like thos to the neck

>>1790466
What's wrong with the post?

>>1790838
Don't mind him it's just a grumpy Anon, you did something right which in return causes massive butthurt for some reason. If somebody gets upset at you on /ic/ for no reason it means you are doing something right.

How to draw without lineart? I just hate doing lineart. Request guide/tips/video tutorial.

>>1790812
Tail looks like a slug

>>1790854

>>1790854
Block a rough sketch in with a dark color, then just keep putting down colors and refining the outline with the eraser. That's really it.

kinda like this:
http://youtu.be/aNS94CY_CRo

>>1789728
What program is this, anon?

>>1790854
Think like a painter. Big shapes to small shapes. A thorough understanding of color and form is very important as well

>>1790854
do a sketch- paint over. Lineart means doing proper linework, not sketching.

Took a break from studies and made a massive shitpile
what do

Alright d/ic/kheads RL the fuck out of this and tell me why it's shit and what do I need to improve on?
>inb4someoneassumesthatidon'tdrawrealism

literally spent 999 hours looking at pictures of deers and horses on google today

>>1790884
Sorry for sloppy edit. Learn more about the color and light in the context of painting. It would help to define a light source instead of pillow shading. The value range of your colors is currently very small and thus the painting looks flat. Push those values and as a reminder, colors usually do not shade with black.

>>1790901
>literally spent 999 hours looking at pictures of deers and horses on google today
Sorry to hear about that.

>>1790901
I recommend increasing the size of the deer body to be more proportional to the size of the human body. Either that or the foreshortening looks off. Minor comment.

>>1790901

>>1790915 Has got a good point, right now it looks like you've forgotten to take into account the much larger weight of a human torso compared to a deer head and neck, the lower body looks to small to support that weight and the front legs should be a bit stockier too to bear the brunt of it.

>>1790901
Maybe this could help you out?
Sorry for the shitty human leg, learned zoomis before loomis.
red line later

>>1790890
Nice, you've drawn a classic, stylized anime face that's pretty much as generic as you could ask for.

Now go draw some bodies on her and give her some fucking character m8.

>>1790901

>>1790901
spend 999 more those legs are too thin and look broken

add more meat closer to the body and even a bit on the lower too, looks like she's on stilts

Deer half pose looks unatural and unblanced as fuck, if you want to make her cutesy leave the upper half for that shit

>>1790595
keep it up

>>1790936
>fell right for it

>>1790941
you are disgusting human being. don't ever give out advice, you piece of shit.

>>1790936
That's not constructive criticism m8. It's just you bitching about Anime, in an anime thread.

>>1790960
I'm not bitching about anime at all, friend.

>>1790958
>>>/gaia/

>>1790901
>hours spent researching
>end up with a potato with sticks in it
How BAD do you even have to BE to draw those back legs coming out of the asscheeks of the horsepotato like that.. is what i was thinking before I looked at the rest of the creature. It makes sense now. I forgive you.

>>1790901

>>1790890
yukiko?

Hi animango, I'm trying to stop drawing only heads.

I actually made a separate thread for this for I am a huge faggot and neglected to find this one.
ANYWAY

What books do you guys recommend for beginning character design and stylization for people interested in animation?

>>1791086
If you have to question who it is then it's obviously bad... AUGH I've been drawing for as long as I can remember and I'm still shit...

>>1790812

I tried to make it anatomically correct at least.

>>1791144

The anatomy below the waist is weird. Especially the butt region . The shading there is just confusing.

i have to say, why the fuck does /ic/ attract all the weird ass artists who draw sissy boy dildo shit, its not this one its like all the time, more so than any other art forum, that and little boy rape art

>>1791172
>4chan

wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

>>1791173
on /ic/ not /d/?

>>1791144
Freaking fix that ugly tail!!!!

>>1791175
If you lurk /d/ you will find many d/ick/ks there. Literally.

>>1791172
What are you? A faggot?

Joking aside... why does it matter? An artist honestly looking for help should not be turned away. Regardless of content you can just hide the post. I don't like the stuff either but I'll respect their right to post especially since this is a NSFW board.

The probable answer to your question though is since this is an anonymous image board one can post without the stigma attached to it. A pretty big reason why 4chan is anonymous in the first place.

>>1791181
Yet on an art board that later point of yours tends to hold lesser meaning, as style is recognized and an anon becomes distinct not from a name but the content of their posts. Then again we're also a smaller board.

>>1791172
Really? All I see is oppai/ big butt lolis, that or just chunky/fat animu gorls. speaking as someone who likes shotas and rape, I think I would take notice if there were all these artists posting. I'm tempted to believe you're new.

>>1791181
i dont totally get the anonymous thing, i think any forum is as anon as you want it to be. the reason i personally come here is for a quick answer to something where i know a lot of people are about art. other forums can generally be more slow or certain art subject oriented, here its like the ask jeeves of art forums.

>>1791184
True, it saddens me whenever people attack an artist instead of the artwork. I don't participate in those shitstorms. Attacker or defender it's all shitflinging in the end.

>>1791188
I assume those other forums require registration so with an online handle, reputation/etc. builds up over time and people will definitely begin to change the way they communicate with one another. If you say something stupid, that sticks with you as long as you keep that online handle. Making a new account all the time isn't too beneficial as longer time posters will eventually squash newer ones. New users may have their points disregarded and mods might abuse power to silence opponents.

When anonymous only the content of the post matters, not who they poster is, what they have done, or said in the past. Everything is judged based on the content of the present post.

I'm not saying anonymity is the panacea because it has it's own set of problems I don't need to mention, but it's definitely a fresh change. Other forums have their own place as well, use whichever one you prefer. Just don't expect everything to conform to what you like especially with anonymity concerned.

Since you say you only come for quick answer usually, I recommend having an open mind and leaving behind your judgement of what's considered normal every time you come here.

That's my theory on the matter at least. TL;DR my bad.

>>1791200
there are many hentai art boards where users would happily judge someones work, and probably not worry about semantics. i know coming on 4chan is well, 4chan, but this after all is mostly just an art forum, and i just still find it odd why there are so many of those posts. and i know you mention having an open mind, but little boys and such being raped just isnt within what i think is any sort of normal, not a matter of open mind. yea one say say its 4chan deal with it, but that doesnt address the arguement very directly

>>1791203
Normal is relative which is why I suggested leaving that judgement behind. Same as for what's problematic for you is not for others which is why it doesn't address what you consider a problem directly since it's not considered that by others (kind of circular reasoning). What you say about other websites is likely true, I don't think you're wrong about that. Though with the nature of anonymity, one can worry less about mods/past/reputation/etc ever becoming a problem. At least that's how I consider it.

Once again the content in question is not my cup of tea but I'll respect the right to post it, might even give critique, and hide if I dislike it much. That's what I consider having an open mind. This is all I'll say on the subject now since this is getting meta/off-topic and I should be drawing instead of possibly starting a shitstorm.

>...why the fuck does /ic/ attract all the weird ass artists...
I hope your original question has been answered.

TL;DR People are different, anonymity can help.

>>1791172
We are the first generation that could share all of our fantasies with like minded people due to the miracle of the internet. No matter what, from birth, there's always someone who will say "Yeah, I agree that's pretty hot" to every fetish that will ever exist from now on.

Little cartoon boys being raped by horses was deviancy to our parents, slightly weird to us, and will be vanilla casual shit to our kids.

>>1791203
But that's the whole point, anon. Most people think it's not normal to draw the kinds of things we draw here. Yes, even on a hentai board. But when we're all anonymous there's no such thing as personal insults (even if a faggot anonymously insults you personally, it's more easily to disregard them, because it might be a top tier artist or a fat non-artist neckbeard just as easily, so it's safe to assume the latter). On a non-anonymous board people see both your opinions AND your art, so the opinions of bad artists are often disregarded even if they are right. And vice versa - shitty opinions of popular artists are listened to. Look at what happens to mostly everyone who attaches their name to everything here - lefty, teal (and greydeath is off to a great start here), but mikufag and rinfag are only known when they post a drawing in their signature style. I know both of them post without images too, but since they post anonymously there's no reason to attack them personally - what would most definitely happen if they posted with a name. Same for weird ass shit porn - nobody will disregard your opinion if you draw these things. It's great. The only "forum" I go to nowadays is 4chan (I've tried non-anonymous forums too, trust me) because I like the anonymity so much.

Also, if you get popular, it's because of your artwork, not your opinions. Mostly people try to get popular by licking everyone's asshole and saying great things to them. That's just 60% of a normal forum and we really don't have it here. I love it. If that's not for you (and for most people it isn't) go to a hugbox forum of your choice. It will be better for everyone.

>>1791231
>vanilla casual shit to our kids
I wonder what future fetishes will be. They will probably be so abstract we wouldn't be able to comprehend.

>>1791236
>Porn circa 4100

>>1791244
I'm hard

>>1791144
its good enought.

Thy is is my first time really trying to think about color temperature. What's good? What's bad? Also, how to render leaves? I made the leaf brush myself, but I don't think it looks good.

>>1791550

needs more deep blues. needs more contrasts in general.

Any help with this would be appreciated.

>>1791602
legs too small and her right leg is misplaced.

>>1791602
needs moe

>>1791602
Everything is so stiff man. And it looks to me like you weren't even trying with her skirt.

>>1791644
you just traced over it and thats not how skirts work

>>1791651
Traced over what?
About the skirt, I didn't use reference so I took liberties with the folds. Anyhow I think it looks acceptable for a stylized drawing.

>>1791653
>Muh style!

>>1791653

>>1791604
>>1791623
>>1791644
How about now?

>>1791660
Witty b8. Wittier than your previous attempt.

>>1791691
lower arm is too short
keep in mind you can and should make a variaty of line thickness ( i can see you tried some but its too little)
the face is unapealing
I think the feets should be placed differently on the ground, also the lower legs are too short.

all I can say is that it is nicely clean.

>>1791651
He redrew most if it. Crappy bait.

>Worked on a piece for several days
>Ripping my hair out because of it
>Nothing looks right
>Nothing I do is working
>The more I work on it the worse it gets
>Take two weeks off from drawing, other than my daily life studies
>Come back to it
>Notice all my mistakes
>Fix the piece and knock it out in a day

Feels good. I feel rejuvenated.

>>1791713
why not showing.

>>1791717
because he's lying

y/n?

>>1791729
no, it's true. it's easier to spot mistakes when you look at your work with fresh eyes.
truths are absolute, but your perception of truth is relative. i think that is why we become slaves to our creation.

>>1791745
Nothing a mirror/camera or image rotation wouldnt solve.
We just dont believe what you did is any good.

>>1791754
i'm not him. maybe he didn't flip or rotate. maybe YOU are so experienced that everything you do comes out perfect with some flipping and rotation.

Thanks for all your help so far. Trying to keep it loose, as well as keeping all the other crits in mind. Before I dig into this anymore, can I get some help on the skirt and her bow tie?

Feel free to point out any other blatant shittiness as well.

>>1790979
> a potato with sticks in it
made me lol

>>1790925
>>1790939
Thank you fellow zoofriends, this is a one off thing and I don't plan on doing anything with more than two legs any time soon so your advice is really useful.

grabbed some ref too

Anyone feel like redlining?

I'm starting on something after putting off doing anything except studies for ages.
But i can't get the front figure, especially the raised arm right. Any ideas? The initial sketch was so dynamic but then I tried to fix it to be more possible and now it looks flat AND wrong. The back figure should be easy enough to fix by using a reference myself, I'm just fixated on the front one.

>>1791766
i'm not gonna help someone who spends no more than 10 minutes on a sketch.

>>1791771
The raised hand is pushed too far back. It's hardly possible, and even if it is, the strain is too painful to be reasonable. The wrist on the bottom is turned in a way that is unecessarily difficult for that pose. Also, the perspective on your bat is off, making it look curved.

>>1791665
style thread posted on sun
draw thread posted on sat
nice try

>>1791769
Don't forget that the belly should stick out a bit and cover part of the thigh

Rei

>>1791969
Appealing to look at. Figure looks convincing enough, might want to watch that left arm though. Have a quick alternate composition I made for fun.

>>1791969
isn't that a little bit confident for rei, as a pose.

>>1790856
studied this.

>>1792048
yeah i had a hard time getting the expression to look right with the pose.

sketches

Can I get a redline please?

>>1791740

Fucking no. Your anatomy is a shitpile, especially the pelvis and everything below that. Loomis that shit or go home.

>>1792107
Read sticky. noone could possibly redline that without drawing an entire new sketch.

>>1792107
>chickenscratch

topkek

>>1791786

In any way, posting aime reaction faces as 'critique' is not a really convincing face way to point out flaws.

>>1792107

That belt crossing the chest being makes it difficult to see if he carries the sword on his back or infront of his chest. Irks me for some reason.

>>1792122
When you say Loomis that shit, do you mean fun with a pencil or figure drawing for all it's worth? Which one is the most helpful?

1hr

>>1792159
I like it, though the back part of the hair around the ear seems kinda unnatural.

>>1792159
brush pls

>>1791144
the shading around the butt area needs to be changed. A bent over butt is mostly flat. there shouldn't be such a dark shadow below the butt cheeks when in profile.

>>1791144
the shading around the butt area needs to be changed. A bent over butt is mostly flat. there shouldn't be such a dark shadow below the butt cheeks when in profile.

more nge

>>1792269
edit

>>1792156

He has no clue what he's talking about. Loomis is becoming a buzzword for kids that want to belong to the /ic/ crowd these days.

I'm not saying Loomis isn't bad, but most people who recommend Loomis without any further info are usually either trolling or have no idea what they are doing.

>>1792309

*is bad

fuck

4 hour stuff. Any crits at this point ?

Specifically on value distribution, composition , and colors.

>>1792339

I guess if I had something to say myself would be the surface material on the arm look more fleshy than fluffy/fur.

>>1792339
really lacks details in some areas, those effects aren't gonna mask the simplicity of those areas.

>>1790854

>>1792339
with the composition you set up, it makes it very difficult to see what you are displaying because its so cluttered

>>1792339
Yeah, your RGB channels appear to be misaligned.

Any crits so far? Would practice coloring with this.

Work in progress

>>1792277

I like the style on Rei, the perspective on the pavement is messed up.

>>1792622
make the water react a little to the blob's flight

>>1792399

I'm intrigued about the distribution of detail, as I remember about simplifying unimportant elements so that the viewer focus on the things we want them to focus. Please enlighten me further.

>>1792597
Guess I got a little trigger happy with the lens correction.

>>1792433
Any inputs on how to avoid further mishaps? Could the distribution of values be messing things up ? After all, the most distracting element at the moment would be the screenshot in front of the character. But it also serves as context/story and something to look at.

>>1792195

uhm block in was all 1 brush from sergei kolesov sketch brushes, rest were from a pack called "FineArtsBrushes_Vol1.abr" idk where i got it from.

>>1792608
Line quality is pretty disgusting, what program are you using?

Trying "water tool" brush in photoshop.

Someone please help me to fix his body.

>>1792608
lower hand looks terrible. Thumb looks broken
>>1792706
study more anatomy

>>1792706
do some lifedrawing, you honestly shouldn't need to ask critique for obvious stuff like this.

can someone redline this, i fucking love red lines
they help me so much

>>1792727
>wants someone to waste their time redlining that shit when you have all these good resources in the sticky to learn anatomy and construction

Is this passable or is it still unpleasant to look at? I might just have to reference other artists again if I can't figure out how to use a real reference honestly I don't know where else to learn Moe proportions.

>>1792855

You tilted the chin up but not the rest of the head+facial features.

Construction, my nigga.

>>1792855
If you're actually trying to copy that angle you haven't done it correctly at all. That shading under the chin just looks like a beard or something because the rest of the features arent properly placed. Raise those eyes and stuff.

>>1792855
The centre lines of the mouth and nose should still match regardless of the stylization.

>>1792859
>>1792858
Thanks for keeping it real

>>1792869
and eyes*

>>1792855
Kinda like this basically, the key to this angle is the fact that the ears remain at the same height but the rest of the features move up if you catch my drift. Obviously in your case the ears would now be more covered by the hair, but hopefully you get what I mean.

>>1792855
>I don't know where else to learn Moe proportions.

-how to manga books have guidelines and proportions.
-look and study good artist on how they draw, solve stylization problems and how they approach unusual angles.
-get some figurines and dolls if you can
-get 3d posing programs and load your favorite MOE waifu, even just rotating the camera around you tend to see 3d and think 3d.
-continue studying the fundamentals on how to construct and manipulate forms.

sketch from imagination

Sketch from imagination

Hope isn't that bad.

I will continue it later.

>>1792914
Why did you delete and upload that like 3 times?

>>1792914
pretty big neck for a tiny body

>>1792915
Looks like he's still working on it and deleted the older ones. Does /ic/ not have the 10 minute delete restriction?

>>1792888
What's the best how to manga book? Is there one that's quite clearly superior? Inb4 mastering manga mark crilley

>>1793011
there's no really best one, each of them has something to offer but they are quite useless if you're not really aware of the fundamentals as they are like "tips and tricks" to help you gain better mindset and process.

but I guess the best one overall is sketching manga style vol.1-5. you should get better books when it comes to anatomy though like goldfinger or bammes or any others as those how to draw manga books doesn't touch up on them greatly.

>>1792104
I adore your use of colours!

>>1792231
>delicious ribs
>but adding on breasts

>>1792704
It's not appealing at all. The softness of the shading doesn't match the lines and it makes it look kinda deviantArt-tier.

>>1792704
idk if it's something about your image or the style in general but that animu face looks like a mask.

>>1793040
Now that you've mentioned that, I can't unsee it!

shirt design for a contest, could i get some critique/tips? more used to painting, new to lines and stuff but enjoying it. can't quite figure out how to shove a face onto the top figure and something seems off about the other faces. needs moar loomis?

>>1793064

>>1793074
could you elaborate?

>>1792309

Loomis is probably a catch-all phrase for any anatomy resource to people these days.

How bad am I doing?

>>1793064
please take your tumblr elsewhere

>>1793107
what?

>>1793117
>being so clueless and new

>>1793081

Sometimes its so bad that reading 'Loomis' throws up a red flag for me and I have to reread the comment not to dismiss it out of hand. I have the impression many people who recommend it haven't even looked into it once.

>>1792887
Oh yeah I see now those ears really help you tell what the head is doing thanks.
>>1792888
>3d posing program and load favorite moe waifu
That's awesome
>>1792914
I'm proud of you, one thing I noticed that works with the neck is that the neck is about the size of one eye.

>>1793090
absolutely horrifying you should quit art forever and never look back.

>>1793064

Ditch the rednose. It adds literally nothing.

>>1793153

Well maybe it's for a tumblr

>>1793064

The guy's face on the bottom right looks really unpleasant. Make his eyes smaller/farther apart, and make them more evenly sized, or learn how to draw different facial angles. Everyone's hands are fucked up, look at your hands in a mirror if you need a reference that bad.

The guy in the back looks like an afterthought. You can't even see the rest of his body behind everyone else's, it's like he's a floating torso. He's in the very back, his face isn't showing, and you displayed almost none of his body. He has so little emphasis compared to everyone else, that you might as well just take him out.

The girl's right arm (our left) is foreshortened terribly. Why is she standing on everyone else's feet? You also managed to fuck up her shoelaces. If drawing criss crossing lines is too difficult for you, you should just stick with laces that go straight across.

The composition is sort of diagonal, but your eyes are lead to the back of his guy's head, who looks really half-assed. These people aren't planted on anything, so you have the freedom to change scales of the characters and the composition to make it more interesting. I think this is fanart for a game that I've never played, so I can't say anything about which characters to emphasize since I don't know who they are.

>>1793090

What >>1793152 meant to say is that it's an okay start but you need more practice. Also lacks detail which makes some poses hard to see properly.

>>1793076
tumblr rednose/ear

>>1793090

I'll assume you're doing gestures, so remember that capturing the 'action' of the pose is far more important than drawing the outline itself. Takes a little bit of 'feeling it out', but you'll get there.

If not gestures, then seriously consider some anatomy resource. Most of these aren't very good in that department.

>>1793145

I know this guy from another forum who keeps throwing out fun with a pencil for beginners and I really don't know what to say to them.

Just take comments with a grain of salt as with everything on /ic/, and replace loomis with the appropriate resource where applicable.

>>1792309
>>1793081
>>1793145
>>1793204
>being this new

Loomis is like what 'Install Gentoo' is too/g/, or 'SS+GOMAD' is to /fit/.

It basically means read the sticky/your fundamentals are shit.

>>1793204

Yeah. For some reason the stylization threads seem to attract worse people than other stuff in that regard.

>>1793208

lel

I always come here for porn. but there is no porn
wtf guys

>>1793231
>>>/e/
>>>/d/

Whats wrong wih Loomis? I've been working with Fun With A Pencil for the past couple days and its been fun.

>>1793234

Nothing's wrong with it, there are often just the wrong people recommending it for the wrong reasons.

>>1792156
god no! forget about loomis, i recommend you figure drawing and invention by Michael Hampton, the vilppu drawing manual and constructive anatomy by Bridgman. these are the books i'm using and i'm doing just fine. also you can download a series of video tutorials called the structure of man from the pirate bay.

>>1793240
>structure of man
>thinks he is good

You have to be underage if you can't tell he is God awful. Fuck out of here kid, stop giving terrible advice for the last time.

>>1793244
>Fuck out of here kid, stop giving terrible advice for the last time.

>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>1793267
fuck off memeshitter

take it to /b/ or reddit retard

Sorry to disappoint, senpai, but I think I've stayed on this piece for long enough.

I'll definitely start working hard on the skeletal structure and the connection between the neck and head especially.

>>1793279
>skeletal structure and the connection between the neck and head especially.
i told you that months ago.

>>1793279

They look...squashed

>>1793282

I focused way too much on the rest of the body as opposed to the neck area; I now know that I need lots of work around that region. Sorry it took so long to settle in...

>>1793279
The faces look very unnatural, especially the eyes, they don't match the style the rest is in. They also look rather flat.

>>1793279
You know what would fix everything and instantly make you a hundred times better? Stopping to draw animu shit. The bodies look decent, but the heads ruin everything, it is simply not aesthetic. We are not telling you this because it's cool to hate anime or anything, I've actually watched a few and I regularly watch western cartoons, but you can't mix the two and you can't get a job this way. Do you do porn commissions? That's the only way I'd see you making money, even successfully perhaps, if you have no dignity.

>>1793314
>Muh style

>>1793284

Also they look fucking built for highschoolers.

>>1793333
This isn't really a 'muh style' since it's content rather than the picture itself, but that's sort of his thing.

>>1793318
I kind of have to agree with this, at least with the kind of stuff he goes for. It would look a lot better if he had at least semi-realistic faces rather than moe ones.

>>1793318
The thing is that he is very good at drawing/painting monsters/animals and environment.

It seems like when he starts thinking about "anime style" his brain just fucking forgets everything.
He is comparable to Mark Crilley in that sense since Crilley is very good at still life/environment drawing but prefers animu over everything else regardless of how terrible he is at it.

>>1793343
Do you think if he studies from Wokada maybe he'll find that golden ratio between moe and his /fit/ girls?

>>1793351

Her shoulder position on that picture looks really really weird. Maybe its just the collar but something doesnt add up.

>>1793351
samefag here, it kills me every time I see this Artist I am filled with such envy and am jealous I admit it.

>>1793318
>Stopping to draw animu shit
b-but SaejinOH said the opposite

>>1793351
>>1793354

>>1793357
You have terrible tastes, despicable.

>>1793358
terrible tastes
yah totally

>>1793361
3dpigu go ho-oh wait a sec oh my oh my what a dish! I stand corrected though I prefer the lesser kind of drawings this is a whole different level.

>>1793244
you're right he sucks. still the michael hampton videos are pretty god tho.

>>1793279
actually, you've been getting a tiny little bit better compared to before.
you should try to draw more facial expressions. it's fun, trust me.

>>1793374
i mean
*better at drawing faces

>>1793375

>better at drawing feces

fixed

>>1793378

>>1793381

0/10 shit anatomy loomisloomisloomis

>>1793279
Tried to fix it...failed miserably. Posting for some laughs

>>1793395
Why

>>1793395


It's jsut a quick dirty doodle but the overall face shape actually looks better this way.

>>1793395
take away the boobs and we got a guy

>>1793279
Damn, Yukari has been lifting.

>>1792915
see
>>1792921
Besides it will be annoying for others and detrimental to the thread to leave so many images with so few changes.

>>1792918
Noted. Hope this is better

>>1793151
<3

I made her neck shorter and thinner, thanks!

>>1792622
It looked like an .gif for a moment, with the water moving

>>1793395

>>1792915
see

>>1792921

>>1792918
Noted. Hope this is better

>>1793151
<3

Thanks for the support!

>>1793488
you've been slacking, correct?

>>1793314
Do you think adding stronger values to the face might work?

>>1793318
But I work at a game company already. I think I still have a long ways to go from making it work like Wokada >>1793351 does.

>>1793395
Thanks for this, I'll try reducing the overall volume of her fluffy hair. Not too sure about the face though.

>>1793470
It's even stated in her official profile that she lifts. She is dedicated cute fluffy loader

>>1793537
Sorry for the sloppy edit to the figure on the right, changes I believe would suit the picture better. You seem to have trouble making the details of the forms on the face in tandem with each other into something appealing. Also I have the impression you have an odd choice of hues (things like skin) and extremely saturated colors. Or perhaps you don't seem to be able to use your palette well. Might just be my imagination though. Other people seemed to have critiqued enough already. Anyways, feel free to ignore whatever you don't like.

>>1793523
If you could tell me why you feel this way, I would appreciate it.

In the past few days I've finished a traditional portrait, almost full body digital piece and some Bargue's plaques. I'm still working on two portraits (one traditional and another digital) which I've not posted here yet. Moreover anime/manga style isn't something I usually do. It's something like once in a blue moon thing for me.

Not trying to excuse myself, I know my stuff look off but I just can't identify the reason, that's why I post here, hoping that you guys can help me and also to help others in the very few things I know for sure.

>>1793571
Not him but by now you would think you shouldn't take everything seriously here.

Riddle me this /ic/

If the nose is just a dot how would it account for the clipping of the eye that's farther away when viewing a face in 3/4 view above the horizon line?

>>1793599
Oh hi Teal

>>1793603
So Teal had discussed about this matter before?

>>1793608

>>1793608
dat dere Loomis construction, mirin

>>1793608
You use value to seperate it instead of a line

>>1793608
Tried digging in the imgur album, but I guess I was mistaken. A lot of his heads do show clipping though.

>>1793619
It's supposed to imply the shape of the nose without having to put an ugly line through the face and making the character look like they have some kind of jew nose

>>1793564
Hope to make it to your level one day... the only thing that seems off is the hands seem a bit too small?

>>1792608
Study more anatomy D:

>>1793653
Sorry , wrong image u.u

Anatomy help ?

>>1793656
why didn't yo fix the other hand, you bum?

animu girl

>>1793671
Too much trouble, i would have to redraw the whole thing.

>>1793665
Don't bother to render something that's wrong like that, you won't get good that way. Do that side pose literally 100 times with a pencil and then look to start painting it. You shouldn't think, okay, I'll paint something THEN think about anatomy. Anatomy first always.

>>1793488
Hello, a sloppy edit for you. The forms of the body should be more accurately conveyed or maybe you just haven't rendered it enough for the forms to be evident. If it's the latter case then my edit won't be too useful (especially since the it's off model with more mass for emphasis and few of it's own problems). Either way I hope it helps in some way.

>>1793624
That depends on the questions you ask yourself and the answers you arrive at.
If you think that hand is too small then just make relative measurements to find out or make it bigger and see if it's better.
Otherwise the form of the hand isn't defined as clearly defined as it could be so it appears smaller than the mass really is.

>>1793679
you lazy bum, i'll have to do it for you.

New Thread:

>>1793724
>>1793724
>>1793724

>>1793700
nigga, his is better. aside from horrible shading, the face and hand are much worse, especially the cheek. you ain't got no clue about animu proportions, do you?

>>1793726
Can't say I agree with you. I like the edit better. Even if it's anime art it always looks better with correct proportions

How to get better at basics? I've been drawing pokemons to get better understanding of form. Anyone has any better ideas? Also, I can't draw straight lines for shit on a wacom tablet. Anyone else has this problem? How to draw smooth confident lines?

>>1793912
some more. I thought pokemons would be good to practice dividing complicated shapes in basic geometrical shapes.

>>1793912
Practice and draw lines swiftly.

>>1793912
practise tracing line work