/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

So should I read Perspective Made Easy before Keys to Drawing, the other way around, or both at once?
How will I know if any given particular skill is good enough?
How do I know if I'm holding my pencil/drawing from the wrist properly?
How should I develop and stick to a study schedule?
Thanks.

>>1789833
Questions generally go in the question thread.

-Keys to Drawing looks to be an introductory drawing book. I'd go through that before perspective made easy.

>How will I know if any given particular skill is good enough?
Question doesn't make sense. Define 'skill' and define 'good enough'. You should also state what your long term goals are.

>How do I know if I'm holding my pencil/drawing from the wrist properly?
If you can draw with the whole arm when needed, your wrist doesn't deviate from the neutral position, and your hands and wrist aren't tight, then it's a fine drawing position. If you experience pain or soreness, then you're doing something wrong.

>How should I develop and stick to a study schedule?
Start gradually. Don't try to schedule 8 hours of drawing if you've never done that before. Start with half an hour or an hour a day, and keep it consistent. Same time of day, everyday (unless you want a break day). After some time, increase the length of that session, or add in more sessions like it throughout the day. Either way it should be a slow process. The best way to stick to a schedule is to just do it.

>>1789833
>read

There's your problem right there you just don't read you practice the theory you are reading.

>know if any given skill is good enough

As long as the Artist you are studying has their fundamentals down you may benefit from their teachings; study Masters of old.

>drawing from the wrist properly

No such thing, you draw from your shoulder otherwise you'll end up a Lefty. Develop a healthy habit for drawing, unless you want Carpal Tunnel.

>develop and stick to a study schedule

All day erryday to learn to draw is to draw draw draw.

>>1789833
1) Read KTD first, it also explains basic perspective in one of its chapters. You can work on both books at the same time if you want to, but I'd still recommend practicing through some chapters of KTD before doing anything else.
2) I'm not sure if I get what you're asking but be critical about your work. You can also post your drawings in here to get feedback,
3) Watch Peter Han Dynamic Sketching videos and do as he says. You don't have to draw from your shoulder all the time but try to avoid drawing only with your wrist.
4) It really depends on how much free time you have, but try your best to practice a couple of hours a day.

>>1789842
>>1789843
>Read
I meant work at the same time, sorry.
>Wrist
I meant shoulder. Ah dear.
>>1789851

By "skill is good enough" I should've said,
>"When do I know I've done enough of an exercise to move on to the next?"
Thanks for answers, sorry for wrong thread. I need to proofread more.

>>1789863
>"When do I know I've done enough of an exercise to move on to the next?"
You keep doing it till it looks good.

life drawing 1/2, whats right and wrong?

>>1789926
2/2 same again

Been doing these nightly sketches for almost two weeks now. Just to test the waters. See if this art thing is a thing for me.
Animation is what I'm really interested in, but 2D animation is pretty much dead in Finland (it's either 3D which is pretty cool too, or stop motion which I consider to be pretentious shit 90% of the time) which makes it all the more intimidating for me to get serious with this because there are no schools here that provide what I'm interested in.

>>1789938
There are some animation courses in my country and most of them are complete shit and a waste of money, consider yourself lucky. Get signed to a good online course if you're really serious about this thing.

critiques, pl0x

>>1790018
reference?

DOYOULIKEMYPRETTYPICTURE?!??!?

>>1790057
here

>>1790059

Very handsome
Chisled. Like a noble roman statue

>>1790062
Thanks anon! I just wanted to check if I was on the right track.

here are some gesture studies I did today, sorry about the fuckhuge canvas, I just do it so I can just draw for a long time without switching canvases in sai.


Can I get some critique on these? They aren't good, but I think I'm getting better.

/ic/, I just got to ch. 3 of KTD and now im confused as fuck about sighting. I mean, the only thing I get about it is that you're getting the proper height of the the figure. But I dont get how you're suppose to use sighting to get the proper proportion of body parts and getting the width of the figure.

>>1790250
So first you find the midpoint, you know that whatever is there, is going to be in the middle of your paper. This alone should help your proportions, since now if something goes past the midpoint in your drawing, even though it doesn't do that in real life, you will notice it and will be able to correct it. One other thing you can do, if it helps you, is to find the midpoints of the lower and upper half of the figure you are drawing. Then you'll have him/her cut in 4 easily digestible parts. Have fun with it.

>>1790254
alright, ill try it. it thanks

Hand jobs - just about 1000 more and I think I got it. Only 4 and 5 are my hand, the others are from reference.

I always start the same, too much detail initially, then I have to force myself to dial it back to reduce the shittiness.

Let's make a big ol' chains group to keep the habit of drawing and make it feel like a big family.
It's basically where you can set a goal you need to meet every day and if you don't we can publicly shame you.
chains.cc/groups/fVwNCQIBHQnz5JO

Never give up.

>>1790334
I don't need this gimmick to draw

>>1790334
yeah, fuck that, ur not my brotha.

>>1790336
It's fun to see how much effort you've put in, and trying to find patterns in the days you draw a lot and the days you don't.

>>1790337
k bra

>>1789826
can we make a tumblr group where we can submit work and group it all together? kind of like unmotivatedlosers but without the bullshit

>>1790334
I don't get it.

>>1790345
Why? This board is slow enough, and to be honest, I don't think every 5 minute practice needs to be uploaded to another website. If you want to keep track of d/ic/ks, use the archive.

>>1789928
Foreshortening and a little bit of perspective goes along the way. It looks like this guy is standing instead of laying on a bed.

>>1789833
>How should I develop and stick to a study schedule?

Your goal should be to post your exercises on the beginner thread everyday. I try to do it before I sleep. It is like fishing, in the morning when I wake up, I see if I snagged any responses.

whats all dis tumblr shit? Fuck that, we have to shitpost /ic/ with our newness.

>>1790618
so, you're basically saying all your posts are b8?

We could start an art study group, that wouldn't be so bad. Something a bit more personal than this. I like the idea of that, it could help with motivation and it's useful to have some people to talk to.


Honestly here you are lucky if you get any critique besides "stickystickysticky". Would this be something more people would be up for?

>>1791055

Not a good idea, if anything it will only demotivate you. Think about it like the Hunter exams, in the beginning there will be about 120 people (yes there are that many lurkers) in the study group who will friend you and stuff and as the months go by those numbers will quickly dwindle because most of them will quit until there are only ~16 of you left. By that time you would just stay on tumblr.

>>1789843
What is that? It looks kinda cute.

>>1791097
baby platypus

>>1791055
no, its fucking retarded and gay. If you wanted to circlejerk so much, just become a tripfag then. If we create a tumblr group, then I wouldn't be anonymous anymore which would DEmotivate me cause I would have try to set an impression. One of the big reasons for posting on /ic/ is that you can produce the shittiest art in the world, and still move on like nothing happened.

>>1791092
also, thanks for spoiling it you douchebag!

drawing for 3C of KTD. Took about 15 mins.

>>1791092

I didn't spoil anything, they make it clear from episode not everybody will pass the exam.

>>1791415
*episode 1

>>1791415
its funny how I read it as episode 1, even though you didn't type the 1.

How many blooks should I do before I move on? It's real easy when I copy them, but when I have to do it myself I can't come up with any faces. I'm not really interested in drawing cartoons anyway. I practiced 33 spheres, too. This chapter is just.. so tiresome. I don't think I can stand it much longer. Is it really necessary to master this part of the book first?

>>1791434
You're missing the point, blooks are just a tool to make you understand that everything can be built upon basic geometric shapes. If you understand this and know how to rotating those shapes in your head (Seeing in 3D), you're ready to move on.

>>1791449
Ah thanks, just as I thought. I knew it was about basic geometric shapes, I just wasn't sure if that was all there is to it. I'll move on now, thanks!

>>1791099
>8 legged
>mammal

its a tardigrade

>>1789826
How long did it take for you guys to finish Keys To Drawing?

>>1791517
You shouldn't be worried about finishing a book. You'll be stuck perfectioning most of things KTD teach for a long long time.
Most likely you'll never finish it, since there is books out there who goes deeper into specific topics like anatomy, perspective, etc.
Don't restrain yourself to one book if you feel you didn't get some of the subjects, go and find another source, expand do not constrain.

This will be an one fucking weird question. When I'm drawing something from refs etc while listening to music I just can't analyse subject. Everytime my finished piece is fucking different from reference, I can draw it with somewhat good proportions etc. but I'm always missing important things like twists and I'm making my own instead. Please tell me I will get better after some time because I just can't draw grind related things like poses etc for hours without music background, it's boring as fuck. Save my soul /Ic/.

>>1791579
Don't listen to music when you study. Do it when you're doing line control practice or when you try drawing something from imagination, but when you study it's important to keep your mind focused on the subject. If you get bored, just take a break.

>>1791593
science says you need a stimulus to memorize, so music can be one.

>>1791596
If you're trying to draw the same thing over and over, maybe.

>>1791596
I don't think so, at least not in my case anon. My fucking brain everytime seems to be more interested in music than drawing and I'm making a shittone of mistakes. It's a different thing when I'm drawing from imagination tho.

>>1791599
are you listening to fucking metal or other shit noise? no sherlock shit that distracts you. i'm talking about something chill, like piano concertos or anything without human voice.

>>1791606
>. i'm talking about something chill, like piano concertos or anything without human voice.

I'll give it a try.

First landscape I've ever done from life. On the right track? Not completely finished obviously.

Guys what am I doing wrong. This thing looks way better when it's upside down

>>1791634
Ive seen worse from people in art school, dont get cocky

>>1791669
Egg head. Go and review construction and/or anatomy.

making the switch to digital, my lines look like crap with the stylus. i cant seem to accurately put down the line i want without it being all shaky and shit. is this normal? do i just need to keep practicing for my digital to catch up to my traditional?

>>1791763

If you can get good lines on a traditonal medium it should just take you a bit of time to get used to making clean lines on the stylus. I know it took me awhile.

So my mother bought me a bamboo tablet, and this is nigh impossible on my first day. I cannot, for the life of me, create a single straight line. But, it's just a matter of constant practice, right?

>>1791823
I recently got a wacom intuos pen tablet. I drew complete cancer for about 5 days until I got the hang of it. You get used to it relatively quickly. I felt really ashamed when I first started using it. Don't worry, you'll get better.

>>1791763
what tablet?

>>1791826
Wacom intuos 4

>>1791825
Well hopefully I can git gud then, thanks.

>>1791671

Thanks man, means a lot.

Phew, this came as a massive relief. I have up on fun with a pencil when it got to the 3d heads to focus on just drilling line control because attempting to draw shit was just so frustrating when my hand would shake and I would weakly seismograph horrible lines (I still suck but I am improving) so I felt like I hadn't improved at all, I even thought I had gotten worse.

Anyway the two pictures are about 20 days apart, the first from my second or third day picking up a pencil so it's great to see real improvement even if it's miniscule.

>>1789843
>Or you'll end up a lefty

But, what if you are a lefty?

>>1792120
Then you'll become a righty.
>what is common sense

>>1792121
But then what if you can draw with both hands?
What do you become then?

>>1792120
>>1792121
>>1792125

He doesn't mean lefthanded, he means Leftykun, a tripfag who used to post here.

>tfw summer

>>1792127
>Paying attention to tripfags

Anyway, what was this guy ass or some shit?

>>1792127
Everyone ITT are beginners at drawing. Did you honestly think we've been on /ic/ for more than year?

These gestures, I just don't feel it.

I don't feel anything.

>>1792138
I think the backs are screwed up. The upper one looks to thin and fluid
The back of the lower left drawing is too pointy and too low and her right arm is broken. But I could be seeing it wrong as I'm a beginner myself,

>>1792138
those dont look like gestures. Only focus on themovement, not the conturs.

>>1792138
Also, can you tell us how many minutes you do each gesture in? Some of these d/ic/s might be able to help you more.

>>1792175
The drawings were done in about 3-5 minutes.
A majority of the time is me contemplating where the heck to start and how to try and capture the gesture itself.

>>1792173
How do I go about doing that?
I have some drawings where they have less details than the ones I posted, but I have no idea what the hell is going on with some of them.
Some don't even get finished due to the timer.

>>1792187
Try reading Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton.

There are a lot of other resources out of there about "gesture", but almost all of them are more focused on doing gesture from a reference. Also, the book is easy to follow.

>>1792199
Alright.
Does the book mainly talk about construction of the body? Cause I need some help in that department.

Any tip about drawing freehand ellipses? (I've watched Peter Han's demo class and Robert Scott vid about the topic).

I've been practising for two weeks and I haven't got consistent. I only improved the first three-four days. I've tried changing angle of the pen, speed of the motion, etc, but anything seems work.

/ic/, is it normal to get stuck on a drawing book problem for a few days? I was going through KTD easily, but I finally found a project that I wasn't able to complete within a night. Sorry if it sounds like Im showing off, but I just haven't been stuck like this before.

>>1792208

>>1792203
It does. The gesture is only the first step.

Although I'm still in the first chapter: gesture drawing, but for what /ic/ says, its construction chapter are also good.

More info about the book here www.figuredrawing.info (I guess you can find a copy somewhere and decide for yourself if it's worthy to buy it)

Alright, I don't know where this belongs but my guess is either here or the questions thread.

According to the sticky I'm an absolute beginner. I know how to draw, but not from imagination. When I use realistic references, my drawings turn out okay at best. Though when recreating a cartoon, I'd say it turns out like an exact copy. Therefore I assume my linework is not the problem here. However, I suck at shading and drawing faces. And as I said earlier, I'm not able to draw anything from imagination.

I started with 'Fun with a Pencil', because the sticky said that'll get me started. But so far I'm breezing through it. I spend a whole day doing spheres and blooks, but I'm not having any difficulties copying and building the blooks. Drawing the head from different angles doesn't seem to be a problem either (thanks to Proko). I'm already at page 55 now.

Am I doing it right? Am I going too fast? Is this not the book I should start with?
I'm so insecure when it comes to my drawing. I just want to git gud as soon as possible after wasting so many years.

>>1792228
Rather than copying Loomis' blooks have you tried creating one of your own?

>>1792230
Yeah, I did a few yesterday. They turned out okay. I guess I improved a little. I hate the blooks though. I will give it another try today.

Went through Vilppu and Hampton the whole week. These are all from imagination, so I know the anatomy is probably really off. Started each one with a quick gesture, then went over and blocked out the major forms. Gave myself 5 minutes for each one, hence why top right isn't finished. Overall, how did I do?

>>1792212
Yes and if you're stuck because you didn't understand the subject, try another book or a video explaining it, maybe it'll finally "click".

Don't get too hang-up in one book most of them have ups and downs, explore, the way an author explain something may be easier explained by another.

>>1792256
thanks for responding anon. If you're wondering, it was the portrait part of KTD. I think I overreacted a bit, but Its the first I ever got stuck. If I cant get the hang of it today, ill try some outside sources

>>1792187
what course are you following?
im working with proko/hampton and they explain this shit pretty well
proko is free over at youtube if you didnt know
imo its abit introductory, but well made.

>>1792208
try ghosting the movement before you put the marks down,
also try not only doing this kind of practise each day, drains your willpower and you dont get you apply it. try working at construction and forms

>>1792252
Actually working with the same shit atm, it looks to me like you need to focus more on construction/forms.
have you looked at peter hans course?

Do I really need to practice on blooks or can I just move on? I get the idea and I can draw some from imagination.

>>1792297
If you get it then move onto a different topic and cover that.
Don't think you need everyone's confirmation on that bro.

>>1792268
I already do. I'll take some breaks then. Thanks.

I ask that because in Peter Han's video he says he uses the wrist and the arm, but synchronising both movements makes the outcome much more random (I'm only using the arm), and I was wondering if there were some trick...

Btw, is it a good practise try to make more than one pass to the same circle?

>>1792268
WTF dude, you should practice these kinda of exercise everyday, especially if you have parkinson's ellipses and bad line consistency.

What he shouldn't do is spending more than 15-30 minutes doing these exercises, they're supposed to be a warm up before you start drawing.

>>1792321
Keep doing them, expecially if you can't do straight lines, it gets progressively better with time plus it's a good warm up before a drawing session. Ellipses exercises can be put aside if your lines are smooth and a circle resemble a circle, if you want perfect circles use a compass.

>>1792316
Th-thanks s-senpai.

>>1789843
Tardigrades can withstand temperatures from just above absolute zero to well above the boiling point of water, pressures about six times greater than those found in the deepest ocean trenches, ionizing radiation at doses hundreds of times higher than the lethal dose for a human, and the vacuum of outer space. They can go without food or water for more than 10 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.

>Bitch don't play around.

>>1792343
my straight lines are ok. I think, but with the ellipses it depends on the day.
Today was one of the worst, so I ask because I can't say I see any improvement.

guise i'd love some critique on this. did the construction as the good ole Proko said and then used the drawing he did upon it as reference. how'd i do?

How did I do? I have no idea how the neck works yet.

>>1792373
why are you worried about how necks work, when you have no idea how 3d works

>>1792438
Is it that bad?

Finally started to understand this shit.

>>1792447
yes its bad because you are forcibly telling your brain "ok i need to understand how every little thing in the body works independently " when thats not true. you need to train your brain on a broader view such as when i look at a 3d object i know there is one side(s) that i can visibly see and the other i cannot, so if you look at a sphere there is one side you can see and other you cannot and you know that a sphere curves. when another object acts on it you know exactly how it should because first the side you cannot see is visible to you now because you drew transparent lines to indicate the sphere.

understanding 3d is understanding how it appears in different angles of visibility

Forcing myself to watch tutorials (Sycra atm) and grind out studies. I'm sure everyone here can relate to this feel but,

>everything says it takes time/persistence to make progress
>going so slow
>wonder if I'll ever make it

Been working on pic related for 4+ hours.
>mfw absolutely hopeless

>>1792128
>>1792131

For your own education and inspiration, motherfucker got carpal tunnel so he learned how to draw with his left hand.

does anyone know why my eraser is acting like a brush, and if theres any way to make it just erase everything evenly?

>>1792652
Are you erasing on the background layer with your background color set to anything but white? Did you check your transfer settings in brush properties while the eraser was selected?

The eraser tool doesn't 'act like a brush', it is a brush and is subject to all of the brush properties and settings that you're used to with the brush tool.

>>1789826
Tried out india ink in a brush pen. The darker valued area was supposed to be an ocean and a crashing wave, how does one achieve better control? My lines were too thick and inconsistent and do not express water at all.

>>1792600
You need to check your horizontal placement.

For example, if you draw a vertical line from the tip of the chin to the ground, the reference's chin goes completely past the knee, whereas on yours it goes right through the middle of it.

>>1792607
That's inspiring. I probably won't be able to do it since I have a problem with the right side of my body, can't even hold a pencil with my right hand. Must avoid CT at all costs.

>>1792600
>update

>>1792664
I see what you're saying, m8. Good stuff.

>>1792664
I should probably put the ruler tool to use but you said good stuff, m8.

Is it okay to go through Hampton and the same time as KTD?

>>1792734
yes,

Leaving this as is, asshole ripping encouraged. I hope the next study won't take me so fucking long. Getting my speed up will be my first big step.

>>1792712
What's the point of drawing out the Reilly Abstraction if you aren't even using it in your drawing? I suggest you stop worrying about the lighting/shadows for now since you are just complicating it for yourself and not breaking it down well. Focus on the Reilly Abstractions flowing through the forms, and focus on the simple forms constructing it (ie cylinder for the thigh).

>>1792758
I kept forgetting to remove that layer. Was practicing it in between study breaks while I watched some sycra vids.

>>1792607
thats very inspiring anon. I want to draw lolicon one day too. You most certainly were NOT a faggoit, my good man.

>>1792482
Alright, thanks.

I'm trying to make loomis's blooks and heads but I am having trouble putting the elements in perspective. Specially the nose and jaw/chin.
Any exercises/books/tutorials on this?

This is the first time I have ever posted on /ic/.

I know my drawings are really bad, however I would like to know how bad they are.

>>1793049
are you stuck in the 30's ?

>>1793079
I am just following the guide.

>>1793084
dont waste your time on loomis. learn about gesture and anatomy and do normal figures. protip: watch various resources and take what you like from everybody.

>>1793088
>learn about gesture and anatomy
Yeah that's all you need to become an artist :^)

Don't give advice if your life depended on it.

>>1793110
shut the fuck up.

>>1793113
no u

>>1793113

Step the fuck off my turf scrub.

>>1793014
Also interested.
I'm working on it now by drawing simple forms (sphere, cube, cone, pyramid) from different angles

So I started drawing three days ago for fun, and this shit is hard. Kudos or whatever to you m8s for doing it. But making everything fit together is something I'm struggling with, how do you do that?

How do I draw folds on T-shirts and other clothes? I'm guessing I don't need to draw every single fold to make a convincing drawing, but I am not sure what's the best way to make it look good.

>>1793192
post something you've tried so we can see your skill level

>>1793166
just try to to do it. you'll fail terribly, but try to do a better job with every try

>>1793224
Thanks, babe. I'll just keep at it. For some reason, it takes people saying I should keep at it to make me.

>>1793088
>Don't waste your time on loomis
I tried Loomis and I really don't like it. For some reason I can't get into it. Why is /ic/ praising him so much?

>>1793288
>>1793088

Ok. What's a better basic book for basic anatomy and basic gesture.

>>1793292
Vilppu is good

personally I wish I started with Vilppu or Hampton

>>1793295
This, also I wish I started with videos instead of books.

>>1793293
>>1793295
>>1793296
Is there anything Loomis covers that Vilppu and Hampton don't? Is it safe to start with Vilppu or will I lack in fundamentals eventually if I do so? The sticky is pretty clear on reading Fun With A Pencil first if you're an absolute beginner.

>>1793302

Only thing I can think helped me a lot with loomis is his "8/7.5 head talls proportions". Other than that I would of still rather done Vilppu or hampton first.

>>1793302
>>1793305

I forgot to also say is head building I find it much easier than hampton or Vilppu.

I have a question. I'm studying Loomis "fun with a pencil" and I understood he recommends deconstructing your reference into geometrical shapes to get a better understanding of form. I'm doing that with slowpoke here but I'm strugling with his mouth. Wat shapes could you deconstruct that in?

Also, what are good excercises to master form in general?

>>1793386

Draw boxes and cubes tumbling in space and overlap spheres and cubes and triangles anything that can help you see the bigger picture of the forms. And I would simplify slowpokes mouth to a a oval shaped sphere.

What kind of pens should I get for basic outlining? Will any pen do? Brands?

>>1793386
Try thinking of the upper part of the mouth as part of the skull, while the lower mouth is a bowl shape on a hinge. Hinges will take you some time to get used to because they take some time to understand the locking in place and accurate guessing of size (when the hinge moves the jaw, it would have to realign with the upper part of the mouth). Loomis covers this slightly, but not in detail.

Am I feeling the form? Is it too lifeless?

>>1793558
Why u no flip

>>1793288
>Why is /ic/ praising him so much?
Loomis is the gentoo of /ic/.

i cant figure hair out for the life of me. pic is supposed to be a german shepherd ear.

i cant figure out hair for fucking anything. this is supposed to be a german shepherd ear.

>>1793685
reference pic from the book im using

>>1793685
Not dark enough. Too gray

>>1791669
>das it mane

>>1792138
try draw something really loosely and small, like around 3 inches tall. if something grabs you then try to enlarge that. better than drawing straight into a large version and worrying about a lot of things, losing the drawing's fluidity in the process

>>1792373

>>1792600
don't give up anon. that 4+ hours time you're putting in is called the learning curve. it's supposed to take a long time. don't give up and it will only get better, i assure you.

pic took me like 12 hours i think

>>1792471
funky, i don't think it's intentionally but due to the angle you took the photo it looks like the body is underwater, like you just happened to get the refractive angle right.

>>1793288
it's good for a complete jackshit beginner. i'm talking like stick figure quality. it builds that precious initial confidence that a complete beginner lacks and approaches drawing by giving them the 'hey maybe this isn't so difficult at all' feel

Is there a digital download for the Michael Hampton and Vilppu books I have the Vilppu videos but I think I'll learn it better from both the book and videos.

I feel like I suck and will never be able to construct my own fucking heads

>>1793821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

>>1793845
>2 million views
This is my first time watching it. God, I feel so left out from the internet.

>>1793821
Are you actually constructing them? Looks like you're just drawing the outlines

>>1793859

Yes, I do all the steps in hb, erase a lot and go over the finished head in a 4b pencil so it's way darker.

>>1793744
Oh, thanks! That's great.

>Take a 'break' from doing practice drawings out of my comfort zone to improve
>Take one day off where i just draw simple shit i know how to do
>Return to practices
>Suddenly massive Line confidence
The fuck happened? Even if the drawing here is not that good, it got no chicken scratching

> My first 3h sesion on www.artists.pixelovely.com
> Everything going better than expected
> Suddenly break for a cigarette, coming back, next drawing will be 30 min one so changing shitty printing paper to a nice sketchbook.
> After hours of drawing on shit literally can't draw on better paper.

WHY.

>>1793960
because everything can be simplified by simple forms and your brain knows this

same thing will happen with color don't worry

>>1793999
Probably because you adjusted your technique to work on the shitty paper. Lower quality paper tends to be smoother, so there's nowhere for the pencil to grip to and the pencil leaves a smoother line. If you draw on better quality / rougher paper, the paper is a little more grainy so you can brush your pencil on it and it'll scrape some of the graphite off without making a solid line. Then if you press harder it'll did the pencil into the surface and leave a more ingrained line.

That's what happens with me anyway. You basically just have to readjust to how the paper reacts to the pencil.

Unless you're using pen, in which case disregard what I've said and I have no fucking clue.

>>1793960
um it's worth remembering with lines, and this advice isn't just for you, but for others.

there's a temptation when you're getting better at drawing in general and better at line specifically to use as few lines as possible. and avoid a 'sketchy look' even in your sketches.

the problem can be that you may well be still NEED some of that sketchiness to help you explore form and shape properly.

so don't, out of pride, rush into being super neat and pretty with your lines at the expense of the drawing.

i'm not claiming to be an expert this is just something i discovered about my own drawing to my disadvantage.

not to say you should be chicken scratching, but repeating a line is fine, ye old masters did. [although pic is sargent]

Should I be drawing very slow as a beginner, or go at my own comfortable speed. It kind of feels like I'm drawing too fast, but I'm just drawing speed that is normal to me.

anyone here ever skipped days of class just for drawing practice? If only I could do the same for work.

>tfw I can't get paid for drawing all day

>>1794025
At your own speed but have in mind that sometimes you'll have to backtrack and review some concepts.
I see a lot of people in here using Sonic speed while learning and just completing books like there's an achievement waiting for them, they end up not improving at all and since they "completed" the course they just hop into a new a book.

>>1794062
>tfw you don't know this feel
I'm NEET for the next 6 months.

>>1794075
I used to wonder if a NEET life would me, but then i found out that staying indoors for too long gradually saps my willpower. Even the most trivial shit like microwaving pizza rolls becomes an epic internal struggle. Not even coffee can keep me awake long enough to warm up for a study session when I'm like that.

Then there's the fact that I need to make my own munies.

>>1794106
plus how can a person live without women

>>1794108
I'm assuming many people here (4chan in general) can easily give insight on that.

From personal experience though:
>never socially develop during early years
>be worthless to everyone, especially to opposite sex
>grow up bitter; later becoming indifferent
>gain responsibilities; pursue passions

Aside from sisters, I never did, anon.

>>1794127
i wish i at least had a sister, anon. you are lucky. i would sniff her panties every day.

>>1794132
Even if she was into niggers? Not normal black folks nor even the bruthas. I'm talking about straight up degenerates with police records.

She was no fucking imouto-chan, anon-kun.

>>1794127
iktf
>never socially develop during early years
>awkward and shy to everyone
>my comfortzone goes as far as the door of my room

>>1794127
i see i see. well i'm black. black people don't not have sex, you just get stuck with the hood rats. i suppose that's why you don't get brothers calling each other virgins.

>>1794219

I'm not your 'brother', pal.

im so fucking lost on how to paint in color. im trying to copy master paintings to get a sense of color, but i just cant wrap my head around it. anyone have any suggestions?

Alright I so I haven't drawn in his head, hair, or hands yet but I wanna get to those later. What worries me right now are the coattails. I'm sure you can tell the general direction the wind is supposed to be blowing them but I wanna know if that's being done right.
Also the gesture isn't anything powerful, I wanna make him go for a sort of passionate/manly handshake type thing. But if you have anything to add to that matter, or any other matter, please let me know.

>>1794249
Just stop. You're symbol drawing like mad. Read the sticky, you fucking retard.

>>1794249
not good man, not good.

>>1794260

Can you redline his drawing or do you like calling people retards whilst you can't do better?

>>1794268
>>1794260

Some details would be nice

Am I doing these gesture drawings even remotely right? These are my first ones so I know they're going to be shit but I just keep getting a feeling I'm doing them completely wrong, am I even going in the right direction at all?

Not my blog, I know, but you know /ic/? Today two marvelous things happened.

>be at work, in a meeting
>my brain started on its own to imagine gestures, rip cage positions and so on from the people where there


>be at home
>depressed
>think: I'm not feel like drawing today, I'll break for first time after a month my schedule
>after five minutes feel like if something was missing
>been doing gesture for last hour

Did I win procrastination?

>>1794249
Stop chicken scratching. Draw your lines with confidence and in one stroke. If you can't do that, practice it till your hands bleed.

>>1794249
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but as I see it:

Regardless of skill level, you're looking for critique on a WIP. That's what Draw Thread is for. >>1793462

This is more for beginners trying to study and get advice on improving skill sets based on reviews on said studies.

Chances are, though, that the people in draw thread will link you here, for reasons.

>>1794293
You are drawing contour, feel the flow.

>>1794249
Here's a redline I tried.
I think you should study more on muscles. The deltoids on his right shoulder should be bulging since his arm is raised. Also I had a guess at where the horizon line would be, it's always helpful to keep that in mind.

>>1794301

Will do, thanks a lot. Although I thought it was for lineart only but no complaints. I'll do it.

>>1794303

Yeah it's an obvious WIP, but thanks for the direction. I haven't been on /ic/ in a while, so forgive me.

>>1794293

I think I've done enough anatomical studies to help you out here. This is my first time critiquing someone on /ic/ so...

I think your biggest issue is that you're starting in the wrong place. I think you should learn anatomical composition before you start getting into the bigger stuff like dynamic posing. It's easy to tell mainly because of how disjointed things are. For example

1: You're clearly trying to draw a curved back but that gets thrown off by the gluteal muscles just popping out drastically.
2: When the arm is stretched out, the shoulder muscles kinda go along with it, try it out. They don't scrunch up like a shrug.
3: More or less the same issue as 1
4: And here the shoulder just kind of sinks in rather than being connected to the forearm as it should be
5: I'm confused by this
6: Same problems as 1 and 3

So basically your biggest issue is that you don't know how to compose the human body as one, fluid set of muscles that are connected rather than trying to pile together to fight each as their own entity.
tl;dr: Go back to the anatomy fundamentals and learn'em, good luck

>>1794300
You were doing great until you posted here about it. I was doing great until I replied to you. No one ever wins. Welcome to the ride.

>>1794313

Wow that looks significantly better, thank you so much. I'll take what you said into account.

>>1794293
Gesture drawing isn't for the viewer, it's for the artist. It's supposed to give you information about the energy and the distribution of weight, don't think about construction and contour, think of the flow, balance and the energy.

>>1794332
>>1794317
>>1794306
Thanks for the help, learning how to draw is kinda hard when you don't have someone to bounce stuff off of. Also for the anatomy guy I'm just trying to follow the Hampton book and it just throws you into gesture drawing but it has a section for anatomy in it should I skip gesture until I'm through anatomy and then go back to it or should I learn anatomy from another source then come back to the book altogether?

>>1794350

Without gesture you can't progress through the book. You keep practicing it everyday to get better but don't let that stop you not progressing through the book. Also, what >>1794332 said, you don't need to be showing us your gestures because it is for you, your thinking process. When actually drawing illustrations your thinking process will be all over the place so it will look like a mess to us but to you an understandable road map.

>i have no idea what im doing

>i have no idea what im doing

>>1794426

My current perspective study. I enjoy it a lot.

>>1794426
http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tutorial--draw-hair.htm

Don't try to draw in the hairs on the face. Just shade it in normally and add some texture in the shadows.

>>1794501
thats a really helpful tutorial thanks!

>>1794489
you did't even follow your lines you goof

I was wondering if anyone could help clarify/explain vilppu's method of Blocking in the form with spheres during the gesture phase. This is what I got but it doesn't feel right to me, blocking things in with spheres feel kinda nasty.

>>1794501
>>1794426
>>1794427
well here's my progress.

>>1794545
jeez

MOAR STUDY! Because I'm sure someone here gives a shit, right? Right.

2min sketches

2min sketches

>>1794643
Am I posting too much?

>>1794679
You should stop drawing those lines and try to imagine them as you're drawing instead, if you're not doing that already, and then just overlap the image when you're done to see if everything lines up approximately.

>>1794680
Thx for the suggestion. Although I'm fucking up more without it, I noticed that I gradually get used to eyeballing and spotting mistakes. Also it's speeding me up considerably.

Friendly reminder that "Fun With Pencil" is not just drawing weird heads with only circles, and that it actually goes into other areas if you power through it.

>>1794769
People really should take that book more seriously. Loomis' only real failures in this book are teaching the reader to make marks (like Scott Robertson does) and "drawing what they see" (like Betty Edwards does) to begin with which are so key to getting started. Otherwise the book itself is damn good for learning construction. I'm actually trying to trudge through it myself as well. One of the most important things is at this stage I feel is to try and separate yourself from your ego. Of course you probably don't want to draw a lot of the shit Loomis does because it's not an elf chick with rockin' tits or a wizard-warrior with over the top proportions, but if you go through with it and draw every retarded fucking thing he draws you will definitely be that much better by the time you reach the back cover real talk.

>>1794770
>make marks
>"drawing what they see"

what do these mean?

>>1794770
loomis a shit

his technique is old and outdated and his blooks look like shit and barely teach you anything useful. i had much more success with hampton's figure drawing.
loomis uses references for his drawings, hampton does not. loomis doesn't even understand how to teach you anything useful, he often skips important parts of the process as if everything was self-evident(probably because he uses references). loomis whole "start with a sphere and them build spheres on another sphere" thing really isn't helpful if you are a beginner that needs to understand form. cubes are much better and easier abstractions that you can build on.

>>1794770
>and draw every retarded fucking thing he draws

copying != understanding

>>1794802
They mean what they sounds like they mean, Loomis never once suggests that you practice drawing a ellipses or lines; he doesn't teach you how to hold your pencil properly etc., these are very important manual skills.

>>1794806
Blooks rock fag, take that shit back or I'm going to slap you in the dick with my butthole you piece of shit

>cubes are much better and easier abstractions that you can build on.

I disagree. That's such bullshit bro, a cube is a far more complex shape than a circle with a line going across it, obviously.

>loomis whole "start with a sphere and them build spheres on another sphere" thing really isn't helpful if you are a beginner that needs to understand form.

I'd think that the plurality of the book is teaching form should be self evident to anyone that's even read the first few pages.

>>1794807
It's through repetition and DOING that we come to this understanding. You can't just hoard learning materials and speed read every third paragraph and think that you're doing shit to advance yourself, you have to be an active participant in the learning process.

>>1794830
>I disagree. That's such bullshit bro, a cube is a far more complex shape than a circle with a line going across it, obviously.

If you want that line to go across it accurately itll be much harder then just doing a simple cube with 2 point perspective.

Sure a circle with a line across it might be easier but if you're really thinking of it as just a circle and not a sphere you're doing loomis wrong.

>>1794834
I just KNEW somebody was going to give me shit for using the word "circle".

>If you want that line to go across it accurately itll be much harder then just doing a simple cube with 2 point perspective.

How could one line across a sphere conceivably be "much harder" than 12 lines lined up to a vanishing point?

The simplified sphere is given depth and mass by the center line drawn through it and that is the means that Loomis teaches form intuitively throughout the book. Perspective is an unnecessary abstraction for the type of beginner that the beginning of FWAP is meant for and is a subject he reserves for the latter portion of the book.

>>1794830
>a cube is a far more complex shape than a circle with a line going across it, obviously.

you meant a sphere because loomis isn't using circles, he is using spheres and he does that right from the beginning. spheres are much more complex than cubes

Seriously what is happening, in the last 2 days i never chicken scratch and have massive line confidence, i have no idea what is happening to me, i've only been drawing seriously for about 1½ months now, and before the last 2 days i chicken scratched everything.
The gif here is about twice as long as it actually took me to draw.

>>1794842
If you want someone to jump right into construction before learning to apply perspective, isn't that putting the cart in front of the horse?

>How could one line across a sphere conceivably be "much harder" than 12 lines lined up to a vanishing point?

Depends on how far you want to take your lines and sphere. Pic related.

I'm arguing from the point of accuracy and simplicity.

A cube will give a beginner more consistent results as well as an easier way to relate what they're drawing to a horizon line and eye level. A cube is easier to manipulate and rotate with its harder edges.

>>1794842
keep preaching loomis and sucking his dick while ignoring tehmeh's advice. i am sure you know more about drawing than the guy who did this(pic related).

and to quote tehmeh:
>that d/ic/k (Loomis) was once a meme of the trolls

>Beginner thread
>Every pic is fucking awesome

So, like, are some people just destined to suck at drawing forever?

>>1794842
note how the head is build from a cuboid

pic is from hampton btw.

>>1794849
So what you mean to tell me is it would be far simpler and more effective for a complete beginning artist, i.e. the audience of FWAP, if Loomis drew all of his simplified characters perfectly ensconced in a cube drawn to perspective?

>>1794850
Nice false dichotomy you insecure little queer, the fact is you can finish a Loomis book in a few short weeks if you push yourself you dumbass (In far less time if you're a NEET who isn't a directionless, lazy piece of shit). Keep sniffing Tehmeh's jockstrap though I'm sure it'll do wonders for your improvement.

>>1794867
>So what you mean to tell me is it would be far simpler and more effective for a complete beginning artist, i.e. the audience of FWAP, if Loomis drew all of his simplified characters perfectly ensconced in a cube drawn to perspective?

Your missing my point. When I say a cube is easier I mean its easier to understand.

Loomis provides no explanation to how the ellipses are angled, he doesn't mention how the minor axis of it comes into play.

When it comes to FWAP, the absolute beginner will:

step1: Fuck up the circle shape
step2: Apply the contour ellipse wrong
step3: Apply flat ovals for "forms"
step4: Fail miserably as they try follow Loomis' inking.

Give the average noob two vanishing points and some lines and they can get cubes at a variety of easily distinguishable angles that they understand. Give a noob a bunch of blank circles and ask them to draw an accurate cross contour at a variety of angles and they'll fail miserably. This becomes even harder when you're asking them to depict the 3 different axis on a circle.

A cube is solid and easier to work with. The point isn't if its useful for the FWAP method, the point is the FWAP method is shit.

am i suppose to start somewhere?
Should I jump to perspective or anatomy. Im confus

>>1794867
>Nice false dichotomy

that's not a false dichotomy. i am just saying that loomis is shit. also if you actually read tehmeh's post you would know that he specifcially talks about all the possible sources you can learn from. however, loomis as a source is shit because loomis has no understanding of how a beginner thinks, he himself heavily relies on references(aka. even though he is trying to teach you how to draw from imagination he can't do it himself lol), he barely explains anything and figuring it out yourself isn't helping a beginner as a beginner has no understanding whatsoever of what he is trying to do, etc.

>>1794869
i see most people who try to learn from loomis just copying his pictures and thinking they've made progress while in reality all they learn is how to copy a comic book character.
i think one of loomis major problems is that he does the whole "draw a circle, now draw the whole owl" thing, expecting you to understand every step he just skipped.

just look at hampton's sketches: >>1794853
there is so much information in them on how he drew the heads. you can see it's build up of cylinders, cuboids, spheres, etc. you can see how he keeps describing the form and therefore reinforcing how important it is to have an understanding of said forms. his drawings make sense and in his book he not only tells you to draw a ball and then add features, he tells you how to build the head and talks about each feature individually.

>>1794869
>When it comes to perspective the absolute beginner will:
>step1: Fuck up the horizon line
>step2: Apply the ground plane wrong
>step3: Apply crooked veins for "orthogonal lines"
>step4: Fail miserably as they try and follow Hampton's crosshatching

It looks like you missed a step, though. Don't worry I'll cover for you.

>step5: THEY KEEP TRYING UNTIL THEY FUCKING GET IT RIGHT

>>1794874
>just look at hampton's sketches: >>1794853
there is so much information in them on how he drew the heads. you can see it's build up of cylinders, cuboids, spheres, etc. you can see how he keeps describing the form and therefore reinforcing how important it is to have an understanding of said forms. his drawings make sense and in his book he not only tells you to draw a ball and then add features, he tells you how to build the head and talks about each feature individually.

Are we still comparing Hampton's pure anatomy book for intermediate artists to a beginner's resource book that covers the basics of multiple rudimentary drawing subjects in a completely light-hearted way?

>>1794869
>When it comes to perspective the absolute beginner will:
>step1: Fuck up the horizon line
>step2: Apply the ground plane wrong
>step3: Apply crooked veins for "orthogonal lines"
>step4: Fail miserably as they try and follow Hampton's crosshatching

It looks like you missed a step, though. Don't worry I'll cover for you.

>step5: They keep trying until they fucking get it right, nigga

>>1794874
>just look at hampton's sketches there is so much information in them on how he drew the heads. you can see it's build up of cylinders, cuboids, spheres, etc. you can see how he keeps describing the form and therefore reinforcing how important it is to have an understanding of said forms. his drawings make sense and in his book he not only tells you to draw a ball and then add features, he tells you how to build the head and talks about each feature individually.

Are we still comparing Hampton's pure anatomy book for intermediate artists to a beginner's book that covers the basics of multiple rudimentary drawing subjects in a completely light-hearted way?

>>1794893
>Are we still comparing Hampton's pure anatomy book for intermediate artists to a beginner's book that covers the basics of multiple rudimentary drawing subjects in a completely light-hearted way?

yes because hampton is very suitable for beginners too. you fail to get behind how much better his stuff looks than loomis and ignore the essential fundamentals hampton is teaching.

>>1794902

Not him, but no it's not even close to beginner level. There is very little actual instruction and most of the teaching is left up to the student's interpretation of the provided drawings. This is something any beginner with struggle with. On top of that, Hampton breezes over the important anatomical areas like the arms and legs and, again, forces the reader to identify the muscles and the muscle placement, rather than walking them through step-by-step.

Should I be sticking to drawing & studying from realistic/real life images as a beginner, then move on to stylization later?

>>1794902
>>1794904
>>1794893
You guys realise it is possible to read BOTH books right?
Linking to Wikipedia like some smug shithead:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_white_thinking

>>1794893
>Implying its just as easy to fuck up 2point perspective as it is to mess up a sphere with cross contours.
>Implying this level of retard is even possible

And this is where we're divided.

You know what, I'll stop. Sorry for shitting up this thread with trying to convince you that cubes are easier to handle than spheres for your average beginner.

Different things work for different people, but to me, FWAP will always remain shit.

>>1794908
1 million times THIS.

You're already studying by yourself, using only one book you'll be gimping your learning curve even more. Most of those books have good and bad subjects, you should only be using the good chapters of each book.

>>1794913
>Muh team Loomis
>Muh team Hampton

You guys reached Twilight fandom tier.

>>1794914
>Thinking my post has anything to do with Hampton, or Loomis books outside of FWAP.

Drop the artbooks and study some english comprehension instead. I haven't mentioned Hampton once.

>>1794908
you realize that i offer hampton as one of many alternatives to loomis? also my whole point is that loomis is shit. this has nothing to do with black and white thinking.
his shit is just objectively bad.

also refer to this post, that again explicitely states, to use more than one artist's tutorial, whatever works for you. however, again, loomis is shit.

>>1794806

>>1794918
>Muh ellipses
>Muh cubes

Potato potato

>>1794921
Kek. Better start hitting those books son.

>>1794512
Yeah, I fcked up real wheels...

>>1794679
Yes, because this >>1794643 is done in mere seconds. Finish your study or post when you're stuck, you don't need to post every minute attempt in my opinion, it's not worthy of critique.

>>1794905
Yes

>>1794872
Read Keys to Drawing and do the tasks then move on to Prespective Made Easy.

Hey /ic/, I was wondering, is there any website good alternatives to the sticky? I dont mean some type of drawing shortcut, but something exactly like the sticky, but just recommends different books. (e.g. recommending a different perspective book than perspective made easy)

>>1794830
>dat pic
literally me in ten years

>>1791593
mah nigga

>>1794830
the first one is better

>>1794954
>>/ic/thread/S1781967

>>1791579
>>1791593
>>1794977
Weird, i get more focus when i listen to music.

>>1791634
Good but the off perspective on the pier is driving me nuts, study things in a logical order

>line
>simple forms
>perspective
>construction
>rendering
>composition

>>1795000
>Trips
k then Imma keep going, its a sign.
How To Stop Being a Beginner:
Step 1: Set a goal
Success isn't a destination, it's a journey, the destination just gives you a direction. If your goal is just "To get gud" then try to narrow it down. "I want to draw waifus on /a/" or "I want to be tumblr popular". Even if its autistic, having a goal sets a direction for study.

Step 2: Do your fucking Fundies
Art Fundamentals (fundies) are vital, now WHAT fundies to study changes based on what you want to do, I'll link a video at the end that should help. But in short, drawing characters doesn't require composition, drawing landscapes doesn't require anatomy, so don't waste time studying it. This goes back to having a goal, it outlines what you can avoid wasting time studying and focus on reaching your goals faster.

Step 3: Mileage is King.
Look at >>1792217 , do that, every day. At least a page, also check out "Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han", you can find it online for free if you look hard enough. Those exercises help build confidence and are good for warming up, no matter what you study, straight lines, elipses, and curves are NOT optional.

Step 4: Fun Exercises
The most important thing is to never forget why you started, to create things. Take a break from studie every so often and do some fun exercises. One of my favorites is to put on an old anime or movie I've seen before and redraw designs or ideas that seem cool. Another one is to go to /lit/ and ask the writefags for descriptions of things and try to draw them (they will like it no matter how shit and most of them will jump to post their wrtiting and see it visualized)

Now get out there and get gud fags.

Have a wallpaper.

>>1795008
>I'll link a video at the end that should help.
you didn't

>>1795025
Typing is hard, heres a bunch to make up for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4 (What are the Fundies)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2IN9jPcC7CyTmGCzf1Mo1Q (Technical Dave)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25x7MuSrQGU (A good guidline for getting Better)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3BE843C2DE5DC6AC ( Playlist of tutorials by SinixDesign)

I like posting wallpapers

I'm so fucking lazy. I had a rush of like three weeks study, practiced every day almost, now I'm still forcing myself to try and draw everyday but I just draw anime shit and stupid crap just for fun, no studies. I don't know what happened. What do? I can't improve like this ;_;

>>1794995
you only think you do.

I feel like giving up, I'm never getting past this symbol drawing bullshit

>>1795090
>>1795042
Then give up, you won't be missed, neither of you. Only you can push yourself. By a friendly reminder, when you feel like giving up, remember why you started in the first place.

>>1795090

Do not give up my friend for I can see the future and I can see u giting gud the stars and the gods tell me of this.

>>1795095
Nah I just feel like it, because it's getting incredibly frustrating by this point in time. I think I just need lot more patience and to relax about it a little. But it's just as a beginner and I don't feel like I'm making progress, you know?

>>1795099
we all know that feel anon

>>1795099
Everyone goes through it, more words of encouragment, winners look at where they're going, not what they need to go through to get there.

>>1795095
Where the hell did I even imply that I'm giving up? I just don't study enough and it frustrates me.

>>1795101
That's something, at least.

>>1795103
Yes, I suppose. Loomis has been okay so far but I don't feel like I get enough explanation out of it. I suppose, then, that I'll have to go digging for extra helping materials. But thanks, really, thank you.

>>1795104
Posting about it in 4chan won't make it feel better, and theres no advice anyone cna give beyond "just keep at it l'il nigga" and some words of encouragement, its up to you to reach inside yourself and find the strength to keep going, if you can't do that then you may as well stop.

>>1795106
Venting is nice, too. For what it's worth.

>>1795115
why not setup a fap schedule? You can only fap, after doing your daily drawing requirements. Not that im going through that hell

>>1795120
It almost seems like an invitation to condition myself to get boners to poorly drawn butts.

>>1794913
You're over-thinking it you obstinate fuck. Period.

FWAP is a fun little mostly informal book that happens to extrapolate into more depth including your fucking precious 2point perspective and cubes later on. For fuck's sake, man.

>>1794919
>Loomis is shit

Whatever you say, anonymous internet contrarian fag. Your dismissive comments don't overrule the endorsement of someone like Alex Ross and neither does your Tehmeh jock-sniffing.

>Tehmeh
>believes himself to be intimately familiar with the process and workflow used in each individual piece by an artist that died 20 years or more before he was born

I don't even.

>>1795042
>What do? I can't improve like this ;_;

Apparently you can, because "Tehmeh"® said you can! Just keep drawing shitty forever and as long as you know it's shit and are "critical of it" you'll get just as good as he did when he was grinding studies for 12 hours a day. LOL

How much restating is recommended/when should one restate?
I've seen some people doing it almost never, but others seem to do it constantly and even multiple times.

>>1795138
There's no real answer to this question. Just focus on what you're drawing and fix when needed. The point of restating is so you would feel fine with making mistakes and not erasing them. Don't make too much of a clutter and you'll be fine.

Ref: http://artists.pixelovely.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/figure-8-1303874927.jpg
First time doing a proper figure drawing since starting Vilppu. Lots of mistakes, but it was an interesting process compared to just straight sighting.

>>1792758
What should one use it for, then?

>>1794242
Start with simple thumbnails, then go for the details.

What kind of pencils would you recommend for a beginner? What are some good brands?

>>1795277
if you're a beginner just focus on gittin gud, don't worry about brands or some fancy ink pen
I started off using a shitty ball point pen I found laying around

>>1795159

That's really not bad at all, anon. You may want to reconsider your valves and maybe invest in some white chalk for contrast, but otherwise, you did good. How long did you spend on it?

>>1795327
Thanks anon. I do tend to struggle keeping values consistent throughout a piece. I'll use white next time, the newsprint I use isn't really dark enough for it to show up. I think it was at least 2 hours.

Where should I start with Vilppu? I feel a bit over whelmed after grabbing a ton of his videos.

What's the absolute BEST way to learn how to draw figures? I have a moderate grasp on it, lots of time, but I really don't know how to improve. How do you choose between fun with a pencil/figure drawing for all it's worth/drawing on the right side of the brain/any other books? There's so many and I don't really see how you're meant to pick. I wouldn't call myself and absolute beginner, but I still needs a shit tonne of work. Are there any modern equivalents to these books? Shamed to say it but I skimmed through a few Loomis pages from the sticky and it all seemed kinda... Old. At the risk of sounding extremely shallow, I wouldn't mind something a bit more modern.

>tfw realizing I've been holding my pencil like I've been writing and it was causing my gestures to be extremely stiff
>however, still used elbows and shoulders to draw long strokes
>change how I hold my pencil and gestures start reading a lot better than before
Feels good, man.

Too bad I'm still shit at doing them.

I think i'm going to dedicate the next few days on drawing nothing but the hands.

>>1795442
How do you hold it now?

>>1795042
Take a long break.

>>1795042
Believe me, you won't get better forcing yourself to draw boring shit all day long either. Just draw what you like, look at with with a critical and analytical eye, and you will improve at drawing. People forget that this is a hobby for most on this board, not a job. You don't need to bust your ass and hate your life all day erry day. Chillax.

>>1795475
I've done it overhand like Proko shows, and I've been experimenting with different positions to see how they feel.

Am I retarded for finding fwap really difficult? On the next page with the 3d head I just failed badly.

What supplies should I get, other than sketch book and pencils?

>>1795536
kneaded eraser

maybe some charcoal

>>1795537

> buy kneaded eraser
> dab it on my line
> absolutely no erasing at all, on any line of any strength

Well okay then...

>>1795550
This has happened to me too, although I have a kneaded eraser that's not really new. It erases charcoal quite nicely, but when I rub it on my pencil lines, nothing happens.

>>1795551

I shaded a reeeally light tone and blended it and the kneaded eraser picked that up ez, for literally eery other drawing ever it has had absolutely no effect.

>>1795441
You can check Hampton's book, it's great.

I gotta make something clear here: there's no such thing as a magical book that will explain everything to you. When you're studying a new thing and something doesn't click with you, just search for other resources. Videos, other books, whatever, do it until you get it.

>>1795551

Because kneaded erases lift stuff off the paper, you don't rub 'em.

Some stuff I did today.

>>1795505
You're not retarded. Read >>1794874

So I'm almost finished with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. What should I read next?

>>1795583
yeah, but I was trying to imply that it did nothing regardless of how I touched it against the surface.

>>1795653
Perspective Made Easy and RapidVis.

New >>1795711

>>1794850

> ignoring tehmehs advice
> guy who drew this is good, so everything he says is true

So what happens when a good artist recommends Loomis? I can't disagree with proko or tehmeh even though they have opposite stances, does some logic black hole just emerge?

I am going through the book How To Draw by scott robertson on my tumblr.

I started with absolutely no drawing history (not even doodling) and it has been like 2 1/2 weeks and I have waves of pride and then sadness about my work haha. I guess that is what being an artist is like?

http://breezetreesme.tumblr.com/

>>1795743
Good job man

>>1795743
Hey you look like you got way better. This is actually pretty inspiring. I am still doing 'drawing on the right side of the brain'

I want to make space ships

>>1795743
Takes balls to post some of that early shit haha

>>1795550
>>1795551

I seriously hope you guys are trolling.

>>1793748
looking pretty smooth

Can you tell what is going on in this rough sketch?

Hey /ic/, Im having trouble drawing portraits of faces from reference. Can you recommend me a video?