/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

posting just because someone will cringe about this

haha nope!

>>1782970
Doesn't he have actual autism?

>>1782979
yes.

>>1782970
>>1782977
These make me more sad than amused, to be honest.

>>1782966

>>1782999
That last one is sick though.

>>1782979

he does, it's fucking sad that he became this memelike /ic/ thing where everyone goes HAHAHAH HE SO BAD HAHAHA.

>>1782999
got a name?

>>1782999

this saddens me everytime it's posted.

>>1782970
>>1782979
>>1782996
>>1783004
>>1782983
Can we all agree not to post this guy anymore? Out of respect and human decency?

It would be great if the mods and janitors could go along, too, like delete this pic whenever it comes up or maybe even ban repeat offenders.

>>1783008
>muh feels

How about no. I don't care if the dunce has Autism of not he is a perfect example of the hugbox mentality and muh style attitude and the consequence of these. I've tried to invite him here but he was helpless so I am the least to give a crap.

>>1782966
>Good efforts on composition and seemingly good research in stylistic-graphical approach to his art in 2009
>Drops everything he knew in 2010, pieces look like they are done by a complete amateur with barely any grasp of values, colors etc.
>Continues his fall in 2011, tries to go for some sort of photorealism but fails miserably. Metal looks like plastic, 0 study put in because he's already in the industry and think he can do whatever he wants
And that's how you regress.

>>1782999
I wanna know what happened between '67- '96

>>1783012
>I tried to invite him here
Yes, let's invite someone with autism to fucking /ic/ so we can then most likely drive him to suicide. Great idea!

>>1783020
It was a guy with Alzheimer's, his condition getting progressively worse.

>>1783021
This pampering attitude of yours is what's retarding (holding back) him in the first place. He is not a special little snowflake, stop spoiling him. It is crucial that he or any of us grow a thick skin, tune into the critique however harsh it may be and acknowledge the flaws.

Stop this pampering.

>>1783027

thick skin by /ic/ standards = rage and dispair induced murder rampage and suicide on live tv while surrounded by helicopters and swat team irl

/ic/ is too harsh. it's like people take pride in being dicks. even when you give an honest, harsh critique you can make an effort to not make someone feel like shit.

>>1783012
>>inviting someone with actual autism to be made fun of
>>on 4chan.
Are you insane?

>>1783023
Ohh, that's horrible.

>>1782999
still it's kinda good tho

>>1783033
calm down, he probably just wanted him to take a look at the sticky

>>1783030
>/ic/ is too harsh

If you consider /ic/ as too harsh then maybe Deviant Art is for you. I've given critique here and though I sometimes lash out at someone by d/ic/k standards you give reason instead of mindlessly pummeling someone.

Furthermore /ic/ is like a pussy cat what are you talking about? I've gotten critiqued here countless number of times even though the majority of times is harsh it comes with reason not just mindlessly pummeling my drawing.

If it wasn't for /ic/ giving me reality checks I wouldn't of gotten to where I am today, I guess what I am trying to say is it depends how you use this place and how you take in the critique.

>>1783033
No I was legitimately trying to help. 4chan may be used as a source for information, we have /pol/ for current events and news for example and we have our sticky. It's not just about fapping to /d/ all the time and shitposting on /pol/

>>1783008
lol wow
>>>/tumblr/

>>1783016
youre fucking retarded

Are these threads supposed to motivate us?
If yes then it's not working I just feel like killing myself everytime I go through one these

I'd like to think I did okay.

If anything, I at least learned to understand some concepts behind drawing, and I think I finally understood what to work towards and how to do it.

>>1783008
If people deserve praise they will get praised, if they deserve humiliation they will also get it.
Maybe he will stumble upon it and come to a realisation.

does anyone have that 6 year progression pic where it looked pretty much the same if not worst?

>>1783571
How often did you draw each day?

>>1782966
I don't know what to feel when a guy that sucks so much gets jobs. This is way below my standards.

>>1783092
I don't care how much time you spend on /v/, making fun of somebody with actual autism for there literal lack of capability to improve is beyond fucked.
Also people post these pictures in every progression thread and right now the only actual progression so far in this thread is

>>1783571

If anything mods should delete it because it discourages actual contribution.

>>1783030
/ic/ is full of people who don't draw who come here to to gawk at concept art and give angry and incredibly vague (read: useless) advice.

I seriously think the mods need to crack down on shitposting.

>>1783683

Yeah.. His studies are good, but in the most recent works he is all over the place. The 2011 works looks worse than the 2008/9.
I wonder how he is today, probably a lot better than this.

>>1783666
Not nearly enough.

In the beginning there where whole weeks where I would barely touch my pencil. I just didn't feel like drawing.
However, sometimes I would just draw the whole day, so perhaps that balances it out. I guess, on average, 15-18 hours a week, but that doesn't form a really accurate image, though. With the irregularities and all.
Very recently I've been getting into the groove and drawing consistently.

Also, nice satin trips.

grinding

>>1783704
Cool.
What do you think was the most difficult thing to learn, and what did you do to understand it better?

>>1783716

I don't get how you can regress going into 2014.

>>1783749
I might have gotten some things from 2013 mixed up, but sorry you feel that way. I'll work harder...

>>1783716

I like how over the years Rin just gets buffer and buffer

>>1783738
I'm still very much in the learning process, so I can't really say too much about this, but I had the hardest time understanding gesture.

I've pretty much watched every video on gesture drawing, I did a shit ton ton of gesture drawing, and I tried everything I could to truly understand it. Even then it only clicked like a month ago. It's all a matter of analysing and trying to understand +time.

>>1783798
Those Anatomy studies really show.

>>1783716
Really good progress for 4-5 years.

On a side note: how was the army anon? Did you CO ever found out about your secret sketches of chinese cartoon girls?

>>1783716
>army
are you russian or what?

>>1782970
6 years of drawing and it still looks like they were made by an 8 year old.

>>1783806
Shit nigga I'm stuck on gesture too, I just started drawing about a week ago but at least I can see some progress in the gestures I started Tuesday, I've tried my hardest to understand it, I watched proko, read about it on Vilppu, Hampton, Burne and Loomis books and I've only just started to get the hang of it.

Pic related, my progress, not the best I could do but you get the idea, I'm still incredibly shitty, but hey, all good artists were just shitty artists that never gave up.

>>1783863
You're not going to notice any change in less than a week. Why bother to make this?

>>1783874
Really? I thought there was some amount of change in it, I mean it's still eye cancer but it's less painful to look at don't you think?

But yeah, you're right, was't a good idea

>>1783874
There was optimism in that post, don't take that away from him.

>>1783877
I didn't mean it as a swipe at you, but it's a dangerous precedent to set measuring you progress in days time. you will NOT get good in that short amount of time.

Seriously, keep it up for a month at the minimum and look again. Make sure you make a lot of mistakes and then correct them.

>>1783878
...and I don't want their optimism eroded by setting unrealistic standards and never meeting them. Seriously if >>1783877 is still here, be patient, take your time.

>>1783883
I don't know what you mean, I never had any standard set at all, I know you can never get good in less than a week, I just wanted to show what improved in a short time.

>>1783891
And I'm saying that the fact you want to show how you improved over a 4 day period is unrealistic.

To be honest, you haven't really improved between the two, AND THAT'S OKAY! If you really had started a week ago, you're gonna need a lot more mileage anyway.

I'm not trying to kill your enthusiasm, rather trying to save you time and frustration. Look at the other progress images, their measured in YEARS. It's gonna feel like you're moving at a glacial pace if every week you look and realize you have gotten that much better. You shouldn't even be worried about time at all, you'll get there when you get there.

>>1783901
Ah, thanks man.

>>1783891
>I just wanted to show what improved in a short time.

Think in terms of months and years. Sure you may improve in a month or two but that's wishful thinking. Yes there are some who learn faster than others however we all learn through repetition and doing mistakes; lots of them.

You are in for a roller coaster ride, one which never ends full of emotions of shame and regret and frustration that only an Artist can experience. You will be proud of your work on late evening and the next morning you will hate it and may feel embarrassed at the fact that you where so proud.

All in all it's a fun ride.

>>1783903
No kidding, I just thought drawing would be a simple "okay just do this 1 gorrilian times, practice 30 mins a day and i'll be good forever!"

Now I feel like my very well being depends on being good at drawing, if I can't even see a good amount of improvement in 3 years, I don't think i'll ever forgive myself, but if I just stop drawing altogether, that'll make me feel even worse. Not only that, if I procrastinate on my drawings, I feel like shit, but then I actually do get around drawing for a few hours and then I still feel like shit because my drawings are also pure shit, it's a lose/lose situation until I actually get good at drawing, hence why my well being depends on it.

This is what happens when you find love and inspiration in life, and yes it is indeed one hell of a ride.

>>1783912
Drawing for it's own sake is a nice thought, but it's far more motivating when you have an end goal. What do you want to do when you get good. Specifically, not just concept artist/illustrator/animator, what is the one dream project that you'd spend every day working toward?

>>1783918
I already had a goal in mind before I started, and it's probably what brings me to draw every day, I just didn't think it was necessary to post it because only I can make it happen.

But if you really wanna know how I decided to get into drawing and what I aim for, a tl;dr version is to be as good as doomfest (see: http://doomfest.deviantart.com/art/Juniper-s-Knot-Screenshot-295762547 ) in 3 years. I know the answer is probably "not likely gonna happen" but fuck it, i'm gonna try.

>>1783922
Nah, their work is achievable, it's just japanese influence and fundamentals.

But what I'm getting at is what are you gonna do when you're that good (or better)? You want to make "Kinetic Novels" (whatever the fuck that is) like them? Wanna make a comic? A short film? Even if your reason is to just draw fan art of someone's waifu for commission money, a clear mission statement will be far more useful than all the pep talks and inspirational images you'll come across.

>>1783922
>Doomfest

Ehh

He's good if you like that style but the further you progress the more you can see that he can't into perspective and that it becomes pretty obvious that he learned all he has from anime.

Do yourself a favor and grind the fundamentals now so it won't become a glaring issue later on. Draw every day for as long as you can find the time for and always keep your goal in mind.

>>1783926
Honestly? A lot of things actually,do commissions as my job, participate in draw threads, make a few comics (one I have in mind is a full story on how I became an artist), get some nice reputation, and generally have a good time with my art and the communities I participate in. I just get a mind boner every time I think about the possibilities once I can draw pretty much anything in a aesthetically pleasing manner, then I look at what my art is now and well... let's just say I don't wanna fail at my "mission".

>>1783931
You better have some proof before you go and diss Doomfest you nigger.

>>1783940
Godspeed then

>>1783943
Thanks, I really appreciate the talk we had, gonna draw now.

>>1783940
He's fine for what he does, anon, I've actually met him and he's a cool guy but he has issues with placing his figures and objects in his environments.

>>1783945
Care to show some examples? Sorry for the hostility.

>>1783948
This was from his tumblr, take a look and try to find the different perspective lines he uses and you'l see that they don't converge at correct vanishing points. It looks pretty and I don't think he meant to invest too much time into it but it's kind of fundamentally flawed is all, this kind of improper perspective is in quite a few of his works.

I'm not trying to discredit him as an artist, I'm trying to point out how important it is to learn the basics to include perspective before you take on stylizing your stuff.

>>1783824
>>1783831
Nope, it was the reason I progressed so little during those 2 years as I could only really settle down and draw during the weekends. I'm Singaporean.

And yes, my OC found out I drew chinese cartoon girls and actually used them to our advantage in stupid "Army Safety Notice Board" competitions and stuff...

>>1784009
Maybe it's because I don't know much about art but I barley see the problem, a redline would help.
But don't worry, I promise i'll learn what's needed before I start doing a stylize take on my art, the last thing I would wanna do is draw "AM I KAWAII UGUU" shit like pic related, you must learn to draw "normally" before you draw your cartoon waifus.

>>1782966
I wish I'll get to be as good as the last images.
Fuck, now I even suck at drawing hands.

(By the way, this is my first post in /ic/)

Ok but seriously, someone please post some good progression, pic related.
>Dat massive jump in quality from 2006 to 2009

>>1784009
you don't need to use linear perspective for everything. all kinds of effects cause different moods. warping the space is fine. linear perspective itself is not all that naturalistic, irl we don't keep our pupils fixed to the front , we look around all over the place which creates a bigger image with lots of perspectives, just as when we look from one object to another our eyes change focus, so whatever we look at is always in focus.

some people even think linear perspective caused the eventual death of pictorial fine art. if your picture is made to fit fixed-point perspective the viewer can no longer decide what to look at unaltered on his own. which makes the image imposing and claustrophobic.

>>1782999
Really sad.
http://www.emergentuniverse.org/#/inside

>>1783571
You...played tic-tac-toe between sketches?

>>1783940
I think you were present in the "what do people mean when they say weebo art", didn't you?

Am I on the right track? this is around 3.5 months total

>>1785008
Simply stated? Eh. Perspective on the head is all wonky and everything is muddied. Learn proper forms of the head and learn to communicate an idea/story within your characters. I've tried looking at the face for a while and i still don't know wtf is going on. Keep at it friend.

>>1785018


thanks
Could you clarify of the term "muddied"?
as for perspective I know how to draw boxes in 1pt,2pt, and 3pt and I understand we are supposed to form the ehad inside the box but I cant reallt find any guides or text that clarify on that idea.
are the feautres supposed to be angled to convrge at the same VP?

> I've tried looking at the face for a while
yeah, I didn't really put to much thought into the overall concept.

thank you for the critique

>>1785008
Hm, your perspective looks a little off, as 5018 said. His nose for instance appears to be at full profile, but his mouth is closer to 3/4ths. Your light source seems.. Indefinite, though that might just be chalked up to bad shading. Don't fall into the trap of elaborate design = good drawing! Do you have any earlier progress shots? Or a picture of a different drawing altogether?

>>1785040

>His nose for instance appears to be at full profile
yes, idk what the fuck happend with his nose. It got raped in the drawing process. at first it look a little off so I tried to fix it, repeat 3x and its a lost cause.

>Your light source seems.. Indefinite
I was trying to convey it coming from the front. I was trying to have dark local values of the fleshy face. but yeah need to work on shading

> Don't fall into the trap of elaborate design = good drawing!
I get carried away with detail sometimes. I get compulsive when i see empty spaces

No I only have the finnished shot. the other face is the first face I tried to draw

.thanks for the crittt

>>1785008
It looks fine to my eye, never listen to supposed knowitalls on ic

Always remember that most people who look at art have never been to an arts school and generally don't examine every minute detail in front of them.

>>1784452
the floor, the pillars, her dress, try to imagine her standing on an actual surface, and besides, rendering is easier when you know the simplified forms and basics anyhow so it's a logical progression. if you just wanna draw 2D waifus, you don't need fundies but feng zhu put it well.

"When you learn to draw from your eye, you'll look back after 6 months and be like 'wow, that sucked', when you learn fundamentals first, you'll look back and be like 'thats not bad, could be better but no real mistakes either'."
so if you wanna get gud(tm) drill your fundies m8.

>>1785079
>It looks fine
>Always remember that most people who look at art have never been to an arts school and generally don't examine every minute detail in front of them
Stop posting

>>1783716
you envy me.. I wish id have the motivation to work this hard :>

Anyways here is mine.

>>1785206
dude I really like your style and imagination, saved it for motivation

I dunno, drawing is suffering. At least I'm encouraging my little sister to draw more, may be she'll make it.

>>1785221
Noice progress, mate. Keep it up. The way you're going you might be there in a year or two.

>>1785221
thats some quick improvement

this is maximum cherrypicking tho. also only creative work.

>>1785233
that swimming pool thing looked kinda nice when I saw it in draw thread even thou I have no idea what it is.

>>1785221
what the hell happened between february and june?

>>1785248
I literally didnt draw, but still thought about it and observed from life so say (I still made little doodles from time to time thou). I was in need of writing diploma and other shit but I just draw instead of it so I decided to cut it for a while. It is studies, so it may seem like somewhat relatavly shiny, but it is not, honestly. Stuff from imagination sucks ass like there wasnt half a year of drawing.

Overall I'd say my abillity to draw something from ref has grown, I started spend more time on each piece trying to make it look right and fixing things. I remember on /ic someone said one common saying somewhat like "beginer draws quick, novice slow, mediocore slower, journeyman is the slowest and master's quick" (sry for gramma). Welp, I try to follow it ever since.

>>1785239

thanks! yeah it's kind of abstract. at one point i tried adding a fourth tentacle/snake with a head to reveal what you are looking at, but i felt like it ruined the whole image. so now i guess the viewer gets to fill in the blanks.

>>1785233

why not include the years before?

Updated version...

>>1785321
this is nice, I like such "No matter what" stories. what you do for a living?

Updated slightly.

>>1785333
Working with mechanical engineering. Although I don't have a degree in the field, my father has a company in the business, so I work with him for a few years already. I work with CAD programs such as AutoCAD and Solidworks and do some projects, and also manage the production process.
In the end I don't have much choice anymore besides keep trying. You see, I'm almost 26, no degree, working with my father(which means I don't have any way of confirming my skills in the field to work in other companies), so I'm kinda locked with him until I can make at least as much money with art as I make now.

>>1785342
on the job training > degree

>>1785341

>mfw I gave up on art from the exact same time period and was at a comparable level/potential back in 2000~2002

I'm studying again and moving along, but it still feels bad that I lost my passion for all those years. If only I had proper discipline and knew about Hampton & Loomis earlier.

>>1785351
Yes, it's true. But to apply to a higher spot in big companies you need a degree.

>>1783716
can you upload 2013 right upper corner dude in better res? He is fuckin awesome

great progress, exp gained

Here's the best I've ever seen in relation to progression charts or whatever. Surprised nobody talks about this guy here. He's fucking dope.

>>1785604
It cuts off right when he became good.

I like this one. Does he still post here?

>>1785001
No.

>>1785097
Nah m8 I really don't see it.

>>1785629
Oh wait, yes I was.

Beep boop. Here's mine :o

2010-11: Had no clue how to compose, didn't really take my art seriously.
2012: Started putting actual effort into my stuff.
2013-14: All of these were for school. Still nowhere near where I want to be. Also, self portraits out the fucking wazoo.

>>1785630
>>1785097
And yes I have been studying my fundamentals a lot, I'll get there some day, now with that i'll fuck off from making too many single posts in a short time.

>>1785624
I wonder what people like this do. How does one learn to paint?

>>1784993
Gotta get that mileage in, brah.

>>1785657
redline

>>1785642
Sorry but there is no progression

ages 3-24

ages 3-24

2 years of drawing cat girls

>>1785717
more please

>>1785435
This? He's a piece I did for work, so I'm not entirely sure I can upload the full res, but here's what I can do. Thanks, although I still feel I have ways to go with anatomy...

>>1785717
Overall a lot better, but the eyes still seem a bit "floaty" inside the face. Watch out for symbol drawing; the form of the head should tell you exactly where they need to be, so don't just guess.
(obligatory >>>/fundamentals/)

>>1785624
I <3 you

I added a few more from the last thread. I also just dug through some REALLY old drawings from around 4th grade to about 7th or 8th. So much DBZ, I can upload them if anyone's interested...

>>1785757
Here's a taste

>>1785765
B-buu? Majin, is that you?

>>1785765

HIS POWER IS MAXIMUM

>>1785765

>>1785622
I know its somewhat old :/

>>1785771
Age 11, somewhere around 2002

>>1785622
It's Mr. Jack!! http://mr--jack.deviantart.com/

>>1785775
>Blue Eys

How could you be 11 and not spell Eyes.

>>1785342
it is funny i do the same shit, and my mom helped me to get a job at the company she works. job sucks thou

>>1785739

haha fuck that is awesome.

yeah, i did this chart pretty fast, sorry for shit res and everything

>>1785925

omg omg omg are you the guy that painted that cat wearing pajamas? plz tell me you are because i've been looking for tha timage for ages.

>>1785775
please post moar

>>1785757
ughhh bro love your stuff

>>1785757

I remember you. Did you say you started attending an atelier or something? Did you study academic drawing (Bargue casts and all that stuff) or did you jump straight ahead to painting?

Your progress is very impressive.

>>1785757

how many hours did you practice per day?

>>1785784

Classic Alex.

>>1783687
>there literal lack of capability

,':^T

>>1785950
Sorry to say that, but its not me probably, or maybe it was quick doodle i dont remember :<

All pics from previous year were lost with my pc, i have only these that i uploaded on web, didnt found anything like that tho </3

>>1786067
Thanks y'all and no, someone made a joke about that haha.
>>1786075
I think it was last summer that I progressed the most, I probably drew like 3 hours a day maybe? Definitely not extremely consistent, but I had a part time job that was less than 30 hours a week and it was the perfect amount of structure to keep me drawing in most of my free time.

This summer I have almost no responsibilities and it's totally up to me to put in the hours and I'm finding it a lot harder. But I just made an actual schedule with time and I think it's going to help... Striving for six hours a day but I don't think that's going to happen :I

Doing this made me realize i have to stop being so lazy.
I started taking it seriously on the summer of 2013 but i have been on and off since then.
Now im trying to follow an schedule but man its so hard, and i dont really know what to focus on.

>>1786532

awesome progress! how long did you practice per day? I mean the whole sticky in a year

Not sure if I got worse... but at least I color now.

>>1786547
I'm also new to /ic/ just started going through sticky in the last 2 weeks.

>>1785624
Yes. I think he just doesn't paint that much.

>>1785757
Awesome! What happened in 2013?

>>1786532
Congratulations for trying. Keep it up!


I posted in the last thread already, but what the heck. I'm just like most of you guys, too lazy and unmotivated.

>>1785624
Yes. I think he just doesn't paint that much.

>>1785757
Awesome! What happened in 2013?

>>1786532
Congratulations for trying. Keep it up!


I posted in the last thread already, but what the heck. I'm just like most of you guys, too lazy and unmotivated. The charts begins when I first got a tablet, I started being more "serious" at the beginning of this year and it looks like I'm stagnating again.

>>1783027
>Having hope for a degenerate
autism

>tfw little brother has autism and no friends and you've observed how little hope there is for him based on people's 4chan comments

These are pretty depressing. I had no idea it takes tens of years before you're decent. Spending 5 years hating everything I draw seems like quite a doozy. I wonder if 20 is just too old of an age to begin.

>>1786627
Fuck all of those notions, if you want it bad enough then you'll work for it regardless of your age or your current situation. Either knuckle down and start working towards it now or stay on 4chan wasting your days shitposting with strangers, watching anime and playing video games only to realize how far you would've been if you had started when you originally said you wanted to.

Just how badly do you want it?

>>1786630
I want it a lot. I want to have this one thing to be proud of in my life. Something I can contribute with towards society.
I might just try again. 3 years ago I gave up after a week of failures and depression. But fuck me I need this.

>>1786635
Then stop sulking around on 4chan and do it.

Set a realistic goal, think of where you wanna be with your art in 3-5 years, figure out exactly what it's gonna take to get there and start working towards it every single day. Keep in mind that the only way to improve is making mistakes and learning from those mistakes and that progress isn't measured in days and weeks but months and years. Keep working at it and never forget why you started it in the first place.

>>1786635
>after a week of failures and depression
>after a week
>a week
oh boy, I have bad news for ya.

>>1786639
I wish learning to draw was as easy as getting buff.

>>1786627
There's no such a thing like "too old of an age to begin" in drawing unless you are a 80 years old walking corpse with alzheimer.

How do you guys do it. I see my terrible art work and then the magnitude of how horrible it is kicks in realizing I have to invest in years to get to any decent level.

>>1786668
Steps
>Get off of 4chan
>fucking kill yourself
>practice
>want it badly
>cry
>fucking kill yourself
>try harder
u can do it l'il nigga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgmVOuLgFB0

>>1786668
Make sure you are really enjoying drawing and learning new things anon. Remember that an artist is never truly happy with his work and the ride never ends. If you like art - every year spent on drawing etc is just a year of doing what you like. If you not - it will be a fucking torture and there's no point for doing it.

>>1786695
Samefag here.

>No point for

And I was trying to sound serious.

>>1784009

New to /ic/ here, I heard from /v/ this is where autists gather so I decided to come take a look

lmfao

THIS fucking drawing is flawed?

The autism is real

Later, freaks.

>>1786703
I bet you think Dark Souls is a masterpiece

>>1786703
>THIS fucking drawing is flawed?

From a fundamental perspective, yes. It takes a trained eye of an Artist to see.

>>1786627

it doesn't. 2 years to be decent is more realistic.

>>1786709
I have a burning hatred of /v/ but Dark Souls is one of the best games released on a console last gen.

>>1786739
Like that piece by Doomfest, It's okay to like something despite some glaring flaws

>>1786749
It is definitely a very flawed game, but I stand by it being one of the best of last gen, which is really more a statement about how bad the last generation was than anything.

>>1786751
more of a statement about you being a retard

>>1786754
Oh, I thought the guy from /v/ left, sorry. You should head back now

>>1786754
I think the bigger indicator of retardation is how one can think the last gen was anything but shit

>>1786703
Fuck man, stop being so proud of your ignorance.

>>1786703
>later
>implying you actually left :^)

>>1787106
>tfw had I put in more effort I would have been much better than I am today
So many people here started before me and are now much better
I guess it's good motivation to know that if I don't try harder I won't get better and seeing people younger and better will be more painful the longer it gets

>>1786445

nice! thanks a lot

>>1787242
did you draw these with a toaster?

>>1788364
No I scanned them with one

http://www.artstation.com/artist/Victor_Harmatiuk

Posted this in the last one, but whatever.

>>1785707
>>1783716
>>1782999
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>>1782966
>>1785757
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>>1788939

You are all talented. Thank you for sharing.

>>1790137

oh so im not talented you little shit? i know where you live

>>1790148
There's no such thing as Talent.

>>1785739
cactus moustacho
this is fuckin genius

Here's mine.

photoshop kept crashing so i had to finish it in sai with a touch pad. and it was like 2 years old so i didnt have the original file anyways

still kind of mad about all the time ive been wasting not drawing and studying

>>1790172
Jimmy, you need to start learnin' fakin' structure on them bodies, ya hear? Ya be pissin' against da wind try'na make some wicked designeroonies, but you just maken ye feet wet. Feels like yer go'in for the goods, but yer legs're bro'ken, eh? Bless yer loins, Jimmy, keep truckin'.
>>1790194
Then quit bein' mad, ya blubber muncher, and hop to it. Lookin' at yer crap is like avin' a muse shit in yer eyes. Could have been pretty, but all it ended like it did. A meeby I ain't feelin yert toonies, eh? Meeby try some more life stuhdies, 'cause your toonies look loose like an old whores vajini, 'stand?

>>1790148
It's okay he left me out too, it just means we're not trying hard enough

This thread could be evidence in a study as to how buying a tablet stunts your growth as an artist. Every last one of you needs to drop the tablet fantasy and work on paper.

>>1790394
>every last one of you
How's skimming the thread working out for you?

>>1790394
More like this thread makes me want to kill myself because I'm an adult and I suck at drawing.

>>1790451
well there's like 2.

hardly worth mentioning them though, because given the time span and how bad they were at the beginning..

Yep.

>>1785233
i want to see that pool thing. Name or link to image?

>>1790967
sure, its on samefag.com

OK here's mine, June-July 2014. just started drawing this June i'm really liking it and ic is really fun.

>>1791187
Excellent improvement there; how many hours a day? That's pretty significant for one month.

More importantly though, do you have any imagination/non-studies? That's where your improvement really shows.

>>1791192
No, I really haven't done any drawings of my own, just the "robot" you see in the picture, and i posted it on the drawing thread and some anon told me to spend more time doing studies than drawing from my imagination to improve faster, that's what i did, I've been studying for like 2 to 5 hours everyday.

>>1791198
Not him, but that's one thing that majorly helped me as well. I got so into studies I pretty much did it exclusively until I burned out. I just do sketches though, but if I get good enough by the end of this year I'm going to try digital. Then we get to do the worst relearning process ever and finally start coloring things.

>>1791198
You definitely have to put those studies to use on your imaginative works, though.

You really do learn the most from personal works than just doing studies (not to say that you shouldn't be doing studies, but there's no problem solving or anything)

Need to do way more studies this year.

>>1791225
how did you regress in 12

>>1791225
you're cool man. I noticed you have a lot of military based studies, that's interesting. where are you from?

>>1791230

muh style

>>1791225
Just a change of what I wanted to do I guess.
My actual drawings from 2011 were still pretty bad though.
>>1791232
The US, just always had a thing for the military side of history.

>>1783027
Wow dude, do us a favor - don't get kids. The world has enough of shitty attitudes.

>>1791225
Love your stuff nigga

>>1791230
2013 was studies, so he used compositions colors etc from master artists. Read.

>>1791225
lol when i was doing a self portrait for the first time, i looked at yours as a reference, i wanted to paint like you, never thought i'd see it again

>>1791225

How much of the shekels have you made from your art so far?

I am very slow....

>>1791294
Thanks man
>>1791952
That's awesome, hope you found it useful!
>>1791973
I have made roughly zero of the shekels so far.

>>1792078
That orc girl looks really nice and noticeably better than anything from that year/next year.

>This thread
Bottom face is mfw.

I don't even know where to start when it comes to doing studies on art.
I just got into doing gesture drawing but that is about it.

>>1792078
anime is stopping people from progress

>>1792115
thanks I made that when i wanted to make a portfolio but then i worked as a kg teacher instead. Im prolly too old now/2late to get into industry.

>>1792139
anime is love anime is life

>>1792148

that grumpy orc girl is fucking amazing. saved into my best of ic folder. also it's never too late to get into the industry for someone whos got the skills brah. unless you are like 40. are you like 40 ? can always freelance and put up a picture of your muscular chiseled 20's body.

>>1792148
Dude, stop fucking drawing animu. This orc is really good, everything else is typical deviantart shit. No one would hire you, except if you're japanese and even then I don't know who needs such a style. So if you want to get into the industry, this is the only thing blocking you from doing so. I really hate you if you're going to continue with this crap.

>>1792113
How the fk are u not getting money yet. Are u just not lookin for it ?m8 whathefuk ,9

>>1792148

Employers don't care how old you are, as long as you have the skills. Most of the top-tier talent is in their 30s or 40s at least, anyway. That's how long it generally takes to reach that level.

If you want to work in the industry, keep working toward that goal.

>>1792139
Implying there aren't some realistic/anatomically correct figures in there. I'll tell you what REALLY stops progress, and that's believing that you have to constantly draw shit you don't wanna draw and take all the fun out of the process of improving. I think that person has a nice balance of doing realistic studies/ drawing what he actually fuckin likes to draw.

>>1792139
So many of these are: drawing animu shit for 2 years, then sudden massive progress the following one of actually looking at humans and real life shocker

>>1792184
>>1792176
>>1792157
Thanks for the encouragement. I think the orc one is similarly sloppy though and the only difference is its not as anime as the rest.
Maybe its seeing 18 year olds the same level as me and part of how its really hard getting into illustration. It's much easier to just give up get another job and do it as a hobby.

Does anyone work in the industry and is it really worth the effort? is it really paint day and night like i heard from t****h

I made this recently enough so I guess I'll post

>>1792193
I really like that boat from 2012 for some reason.

>>1792190
>is it really paint day and night like i heard from t****h

ofcourse it is. but isn't that fucking awesome? not only do you get to paint all day erryday, you get paid too!!! fuck yeah. oh you mean about having a life? haha fuck that shit. not for me. art took it's place a long time ago.

>>1792182

Seriously. If he can't even make money, then the vast majority of /ic/ is completely fucked.

>>1792202
b-b-but burn out...

>>1792210

Burn out? More like: job, education, family / social life, responsibilities... Unless you're NEET or Asian, this fucking shit is nothing more than a pipe dream for most of us.

>>1792213
You just need to make the decision to be exceptional in this one area instead of unremarkable accross many.

>>1792204
afaik thdark's never made a portfolio because he doesn't believe in himself

>>1792218

Not really a decision to be made. It's a time issue, and the other's are hardly escapable. I mean sure, you can quit your job, drop out of school, etc., but that's not exactly very smart is it? The problem with art is that it's not like you're throwing all of your life savings and efforts towards an entrepreneurial venture or something where you either come out the other end broke or rich as fuck. Instead, you're throwing all your life savings and efforts towards becoming borderline broke on an artists' salary.

Like I said, it's a pipe dream, albeit a nice one.

>>1792204

i guarantee you by both my hairy nuts that if he put some effort into getting work he would be.

>>1792221
That's a fair point. Probably not surprisingly, I have an old friend from high school who works professionally now, but he had the luxury of taking 2 whole years off under his parents support to fully dedicate himself to his art. It's unfortunate that not every has the opportunity to really hash out what they want from life like that.

>>1792221
>>1792225

how can you guys have so little faith in yourselves? man that's depressing. and who gives a fuck if you won't make ceo money doing art for a living. that shit is overrated as fuck anyway.

>>1792235

Nothing to do with faith, all to do with a realistic outlook on life. Usually I have a more positive attitude with things I do, but art most certainly isn't one of them. You're trying to enter a highly competitive industry which already has very, very low pay, so the risk is extremely high and the reward is mostly intrinsic: you get to make art for a living. Without dedicating 8-12 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, you're going to struggle to even get your foot in the door. If you've got a job, a family, and working towards a degree, that shit is not realistic. Definitely not about not having faith in myself - I could probably do it if I had that much time on my hands, but, like many of us, I don't.

>>1792241
Make that much time. I quit my job and became an artist, and haven't gone hungry yet. I certainly didn't spend 12 hours a day to get here either.

>>1792241

take out 40k loan -> 2 years of nonstop dedicated art studies -> get art job -> pay back loan

and it's a little cheaper than going to art center too!

>>1792273

Well then you must have gotten exceptionally lucky, incredibly naturally talented, or live in a third world country where a very low Western salary = high roller wherever you are. Or you're full of shit.

>>1792284

You're joking, right?

>>1792221
>Instead, you're throwing all your life savings and efforts towards becoming borderline broke on an artists' salary.

You're exaggerating a lot here. Artists in the entertainment industry make as much money as any other profession you'd study for at college. A top businessman, surgeon or lawyer doesn't make more money than a top concept artist working in Hollywood. Same how a low tier office worker doesn't make more money than a low tier freelance illustrator.

I agree though, for people like you it is definitely a pipe dream. There are too many better artists out there who you will never surpass.

>>1792284
40k loan just to study at home?

You might as well go to an actual school.

>>1792288

Key word: top. Most artists will never get to "top" positions. And you have to be absolutely joking yourself if you think a top lawyer making 7 figures, a top investment banker making 7 figures, and a top surgeon making middle to high 6 figures, are making the same as a concept artist. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're a fucking idiot.

Also, keep up the passive aggressiveness, it's cute. Jesus Christ, I've heard of the delusional artist but there are some seriously naive people on this board.

>>1792285
Just curious, but where do you get the information that artists get a low salary? Every single skilled professional I have heard comment on this topic says how they can cherry-pick jobs they want and make more money than they have time to spend.

For some reason, it's always the hopeless amateurs without any work experience whatsoever who apparently know everything about the salary in this industry and how bad it is. Weird, isn't it?

>>1792286

no. it's what i did. and i'm going to be the best in the universe eventually so obviously it was the right thing to do.

>>1792289

well yeah but you won't learn anything there. the arthermit lifestyle is hardcore. only for the big boys. plus if you took out a bigass loan you better believe you will get shit done. it's a fantastic motivator.

>>1792288
>I agree though, for people like you it is definitely a pipe dream. There are too many better artists out there who you will never surpass.
i wanted to take you seriously, but then you insert that childish comment. now i think that everything you said up to this point is a load of bullshit, a hypothetical fantasy that you created in your head.

>>1792298

post work

>>1792285
I live in America, natural talent is a joke and even if one is talented they still need to work hard, and I'm not lucky, just moved to a city with an art scene.

Stop making excuses for why you aren't where you want to be.

gyhett outta ere' you cockknobblas

We'll all make it we just have to BEEEEEEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEVVVVVE

>>1792241
you debbie downer quit your shit
you're already screwing yourself over with that attitude

>>1792293
Your posts are oozing with frustration. You know you will never make it, so now you do two things: Try and convince others they will never make it either and try to convince yourself that you aren't missing out anyway because the pay is really bad yadda yadda.

Fact is, there are thousands of artists in this world who do make a comfortable living with it, not just the best of the best. You are not one of them, you will never be one of them, but not because of the industry, not because of the salary, but because you are a loser. You will always be a loser in anything you do. There is nothing wrong with the dream of becoming a professional artist, the problem is that you were the one who was dreaming it.

>>1792293
>And you have to be absolutely joking yourself if you think a top lawyer making 7 figures, a top investment banker making 7 figures, and a top surgeon making middle to high 6 figures, are making the same as a concept artist

he said 'as a top concept artist'. don't change peoples wording, then attack them for what you wrongly claim they said.

you bet your damn ass syd mead gets money shoveled through his kitchen window for his work faggot. craig mullins and jaime jones too, although not as dramatically as syd mead.

>>1792301

lets see some of that professional artwork that you are living off anon

>>1792306
You ain't gotta be Michelangelo to pay the bills with art, just have a little experience and a lot of motivation. Right now I'm focussing on mural projects and supplementing my income with pixel art commissions when necessary.

>>1792300

i maeketh this >>1792270
rest is confidential :V but alot of my work is floating around here somewhere

>>1792304

This is hilarious. How juvenile are you?

Why would I want other people to not try and make it? If you want to try and be a professional artist then absolutely nothing is stopping you and I encourage you all the way. I'm saying from MY position (try scrolling up and actually read how this started) as someone with not a lot of free time there is very little chance of becoming professional.

As for the income, I'm basing this off my countries median income for an artist. Totals out to around US$33,000. Sorry, that's not liveable in a country with a higher cost of living than the US.

>>1792305

Missed the word "top", relax. And yes, I will repeat myself, a top concept artist will still not make anywhere near any of the 3 other professions listed. The median wage for a surgeon in the US, not a top surgeon, is over 300k. I would be willing to bet that that's where the absolute "top" concept artists flatten out. That being said, I'd love to see some figures for all this "money shovelling" that's apparently going on.

>>1792303

Time is an attitude? You think I wouldn't be doing 8+ hours a day if I could? Of course I would, but not everyone gets that sort of opportunity.

>>1792307

Cool stuff. That being said, my posts are geared more towards the standard industry jobs (illustration, concept art, etc.). Unfortunately those sorts of niche works don't interest me, otherwise I'd probably have more opportunity than I do now. But again, good stuff and keep it up.

>>1792308
ur fuked. you took out a 40k personal loan for that? if ur work is around stop with the confidential shit just post some of it anon

>>1792317
>Missed the word "top", relax. And yes, I will repeat myself, a top concept artist will still not make anywhere near any of the 3 other professions listed. The median wage for a surgeon in the US, not a top surgeon, is over 300k. I would be willing to bet that that's where the absolute "top" concept artists flatten out. That being said, I'd love to see some figures for all this "money shovelling" that's apparently going on.

you are sort of right. absolute top concept artists make about as much as good surgeons/lawyers. absolute top surgeons/lawyers make significantly more. i think. i'm gonna go ahead and declare that i have no idea about the industrie wages/salaries, and just sort of puzzle it all together from tidbits of information here and there.

concept artist is definitely not the job for somebody who wants to make big bucks.

were all gonna make it brahs
-vilppu's last parting words

>>1792323

nah i'm not worried at all. also gotta add that it was a student loan, not a personal loan. very low interest. and i can delay backpayment for 2 years.

also a ton of the cash from the loan is chilling on my bank account, providing me with a safety net to ease into the freelancing world when time comes. i know i won't regret the decision.

i couldn't study art knowing that i'll have to go serve coffee in 5 hours... i could never focus. i think you really need the peace of mind, of knowing that you have zero obligations, and can use 100% of your time efficiently.

i'm even considering taking out another loan to buy myself another 6 months. but that depends on what feedback i get once i start applying to studios and reaching out to freelance clients.

not only did i learn art, i also learned how to learn art. the progress i made in the last 6 months was quite juicy. so... i'm pretty confident atm.

>>1792308
>put himself in debt just to make mediocre studies

>>1792331

i-it's a good study you heartless cunt.

>>1792193
Hm interesting. I have feeling you just didnt find your way, brah, I dont know. Skill jumps in each direction, but you will be there I hope. Saw drow ranger vs. creep picture in /vg/. "Hm, nice picture" I thought back then.

>>1792335
Sorry, it's not good. Mediocre at best (imo it's lower end of mediocre), as the other anon said. Your shapes are all sloppy as hell, and a lot of your marks aren't conveying any useful information. Plus the colours are really off, probably from a combination of using a bad reproduction as reference and from you poorly observing the colours.

Think more, paint less. Really consider every stroke and put it down with confidence and clarity.

Btw, a better quality image of the original than whatever you used: http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/12470

>>1792284
at which point are you currently?
Did you get an art job?

>today's captchas are fucking hard

>>1792357
He linked one of his sketches in this thread. He's not at a level to get pro work for a couple years at least, never mind work that pays well enough to pay off his loan with any ease.

>>1792348

feels like you are tryhard critiqing, but thanks anyway. the beauty of sargent is in the lose strokes, and 'sloppy shapes'. perfect to pump out a quick study in 30 minutes, focusing on what matters. which is values, edges and color temperature (in my opinion). don't care much about reproducing the shapes accurately, there is no point in doing/attempting to do so.

>ref

really wondering how you can tell i'm not at a level to get pro work for a couple of years from this sketch/study?

>>1792357

no art job yet. will start to work on that soonish.

do you think at 27 there is still time/hope to improve from being mediocre/shit to be something

>>1792368
the strokes in the original are fresh and loose but they inform about the shape and texture. In the study that was done some of it look like chicken feathers or something fluffy. Needs more careful picking of colors and observation of forms.

>>1792368
Lol what an attitude. If you think 30 minute scribbles are adequate to learn the intricacies of Sargent then you need to think again. I think you should spend at least an hour on it, but if you spend closer to 4 or 5 you are even better off (although obviously not every study will be that long). You need to slow down instead of trying to hit that timelimit. You think Jaime or Mullins or Sargent painted quickly? Nope. They all have a very slow method. Watch Mullins' Gnomon vid, read up on Jaime's posts and what students have said about his demos, read the Sargent Notes.

And while Sargent did have loose brushwork, his shapes and strokes were NEVER sloppy. They were highly calculated and very intentional, which is something I am not seeing in your study.

Based on the brushwork and your attitude, I am guessing you are that kid who's been posting his sketches around pretending to be Jaime and stuff for laughs. Even if you aren't that guy, the study shows me well enough your level, and it tells me you aren't professional yet. I've seen enough art and seen enough people develop over time that I have a decent idea of where you are and how long it will take you to turn pro. I say at LEAST 2 years before you are getting any jobs worth anything, and even then they probably won't be a steady stream. With a change in your attitude, ideal training, and a very high volume of effort on your part, you can be very good in around 3 years or so...but honestly the chances that you will do all that is slim.

Sorry if I'm sounding negative, I'm just trying to get you to see things more realistically. I am at a higher level than you and work professionally, and I'm not making much money or getting many good paying jobs.

>>1792372
Min Yum started around that age, Brad Rigney started even later. It's possible, but you need to make greater sacrifices in your schedule/life in order to put in enough hours to catch up on those missed years.

>>1792335

>>1792331, here

Consider this:
If you borrowed 40k and did this kind of work in a university, you would at least get some real-time feedback from professors and/or art major friends, plus a degree (no matter how worthless you think it is) and some industry connections at the end of your 4 years.

Instead you're fumbling around hoping that you'll pay this all off on your own without any help. Yes, solid portfolio is always worth more than a degree, but don't think all of the top artists working now just got in on that alone. They knew people, whether it be art directors, professors, fellow artists, etc. who got them into the industry. With so many people clamoring for the same jobs, art directors don't have to time to leisurely browse through the hundreds of submissions landing on their desks. You better be damn fucking good if you want to make it all on your own. And judging from that little 'study' you have a ways to go yet.

>>1792374

you are right anon

>>1792375

nothing to do with attitude. we can agree to disagree, i'm not trying to be cocky on purpose but i'm pretty confident in myself.

>posting his sketches around pretending to be Jaime and stuff for laughs

never did that. no worries about the sounding negative thing. would you mind posting your work to give me an idea of what level the professional that is calling me 'kid' and then apologizing, pretending not to be condescending, is at?

>>1792193
>chihayafuru
motherfucker, i love you

>>1792377

i can see where you are coming from, and i'm not gonna pretend that i'm not terrified. but i chose this path, and stand 100% by my decision. the worst that can happen is that it takes longer than i would like it to, and i have to get a job while i keep studying until i reach a level where i get hired. would suck, yeah, but where there is a will there's a way.

>>1792383
At least take some of that money enroll in some kind of class (IRL or online) where someone can critique your work and challenge you.

I'm 18 and parents think pursuing is art is a joke. They want me to be completely finacially stable and hve enough money to support myself and a family In my 50s and beyond.
So I'm getting a stem degree.
Honestly I hope on getting a comfy lab job and then spending my spare time cultivating art. Maybe do some freelancing down the road.

I truly wish I pushed myself to continue with art as a lil kid cuz I would have been at an acceptable level to get into a good art school. But no use regretting things in the past, just hope to get better and to better potray visions of my imagination.

Jealous of you guys who are NEETS or somehow find a way to draw 8+ hours. I work and school and can get maybe 26 hours a week.

Best of luck tho to whoever is following thier dreams :)

>>1792391
tfw parents pay for everything and yet i do nothing but browse the net all day

>>1792383
not one of the other anons, but i agree with them.

i think the issue is this: you mentioned in >>1792284
>nonstop dedicated art studies
but what you posted isn't even close to cutting it. i can tell from that study that you aren't studying very much. either that or the quality of your studies are really, REALLY low. you aren't paying attention at all.
you need to step it up, i hope you realize this.

and another thing: stop abusing brushes

>>1792396
internet and computer addiction is real. believe me.
i also thought it was silly at first, but once i stood to that fact, i realized more and more how much time i am wasting on the net.
since then i've cut back on it majorly and found it much, much easier to draw every day.

>>1792390

no worries brah. no worries.

>>1792391

best of luck to you too brah. hope you never regret playing it safe (you probably wont)

>>1792397

can again see your point. very valid point. but no worries. done all kinds of studies, all over the face of the planet back and forth. i've overrendered, underrendered, overconstructed, underconstructed, painted sloppy shapes, used ridiculous (been laughed at on here lol) methods to achieve shapedesign etc etc. i've done it all.

only a fool would look at a lose a study of sargent and point the finger yelling (ha! i can tell from this study that you are 5 years away from getting pro work). don't be that foolish anon.

a study doesn't 'cut it' anyway. you get hired based on a portfolio full of creative work. what point is there in overworking the shit out of studies? to avoid some selfproclaimed, frustrated 'professional' like this guy >>1792375 from judging you harshly? let him judge lol. my studies are mine. what people think i learned doesn't reflect what i learned. the arrogance of some people on here is pretty offputting. and there is a difference between being confident and arrogant.

as overconfident as i may sound, i don't run around pointing the finger claiming to be able to deduce everything about someone else based on a single 45 minute study. jeez.

>>1792405
Well considering you have had multiple people tell you that the study indicates you aren't at a very high level yet, maybe you should take another look at your work and honestly see how well it holds up. Confidence can be good, but misplaced confidence is bad. It is a good idea to understand where you are with your art, and how that level compares to others.

Also as you say, studies aren't always a good representation of finished creative work. A study will betray some degree of your level, but to fully understand you would need to post your finished stuff.

So, post your finished work then. Let's see how creative it is and what level it is. And I don't want to hear excuses about it or you saying you don't need to post it or something--it is very relevant to this discussion.

>>1792403
not that guy, but how did you manage? The internet is really the bane of my life.

>>1792406
>it is very relevant to this discussion.

there is no more discussion. i asked the guy who started acting like a douchebag to post his work to back up his arrogance, he chickened out. only discussion i had was with him. the people chiming in from the sides i reply to politely, but i won't turn my head your way and try to prove something to you.

>>1792413
There's a program called Cold Turkey that will block websites of your choice for a time period that your specify. Get it, block all the time wasting sites, and then you will be bored without the internet to entertain you and you will draw.

>>1792415
Alright, I'll post my shit then. I'm a low level professional with terrible design skills and mediocre painting, barely scraping by with my art. I'm not gonna pretend to be some big shot or anything. Here's a character I did recently. I'm more of an illustrator really, but can't show my illustration stuff.

Okay, now it's your turn to post your work.

>>1792417

are you that tek guy?

>>1792419
Nope I dunno what/who Tek is.

>>1792413
i don't know about you, but other than checking my email every once in a while, there is nothing that i MUST do on the net.

the way i did it is by just not turning on the computer after getting up. (i also limit the usage time to 1 hour max.)
don't do digital as much now but i've really been making progress in my sketchbook thanks to that.
with the computer turned off, you'll suddenly realize
>huh. it's so quiet.
>usually i would be sitting in front of my computer, doing absolutely fuck all.
>it's so boring ...so what do i do now?
and then you realize that you can actually use your time to go draw.

>>1792420

well, listen brother... i respect the fact that you actually backed up your barking. greatly. i really really do. and i'm afraid i'm gonna have to dissapoint you. i won't post my work. i take the freedom not to, from the fact that you really went out of your way to talk down to me (for no apparent reason) so i don't feel morally obligated to play fair at this point. regardless, once again big props for manning up. not gonna crit your work but the face looks very nice. i have my opinion now, i won't share it with you because your jimmies would get rustled into overdrive.

i shall now retreat and harvest the fruit of this conversation.

>>1792422
Yeah, I saw that coming, people on /ic/ have a tendency to never post their art when called upon.

In any case, realize that I wasn't trying to be a douchebag...maybe I came across like one though. I am just trying to be realistic here man, I have been at this art game for years and only recently working professionally, and struggling a lot. It's not super easy to make it in this industry, and 40k is a lot of money to casually assume you can pay off with some art job you will get from 2 years of studying. This year I've probably only made like 10k or so (not sure exactly). And even Algenpfleger took more than 2 years to get to a point where he could get steady work. I urge you to re-read what I wrote in the other posts and set aside any emotions or feelings of being talked down to. Just read it and take the info I say, either agree or disagree but try to view it rationally and don't dismiss my points immediately based on a gut reaction. It takes time to learn art, and it takes time to break into the industry. That's all, not a personal attack on you. All I had to go off was one sketch, which yes, believe it or not, says a lot about your skill level, regardless of how quickly it was done or what you believe.

>>1792405
>only a fool would look at a lose a study of sargent and point the finger yelling (ha! i can tell from this study that you are 5 years away from getting pro work). don't be that foolish anon.
i don't think you realize just how bad that study looks. you really are deluding yourself right now. there isn't much in that study that shows us that you know how to do it properly.
color is just utterly wrong. brush technique, edgework aren't very thoughtful either.

let this be a wake up call for you. like i said, these things aren't cutting it at all. you can't "churn out" studies like that, they're worthless. you need to pay more attention to your piece you are working on.

It looks like the proper thread...

I studied something I liked but the four jobs I've got so far have only frustated me. I'm planning to chase some of my dreams for first time in my life and becoma an "artist".

I started drawing last month -I'd never drawn before-, and I've been studying at least three hours every day (having full time job and so). If in six months I still feel the same I'll quit my job.
I have some saves 40k euro, and I'd always be able to make money with a normal job.

I'm planning to enroll to CGMA Dynamic Sketching and do Bargue plates and typical How to Draw sektches during fall.

My preferences are: fine art > comic >> comissions (furry or whatever) >> anything else.

Any suggestion, tip, recommendation? Is my short-term plan ok?

>>1792423

i'm gonna swallow my pride and set aside all the assholery and assume we had this conversation like respectful adults. anonymity does terrible things to people, i know that. but i put effort into not being a dickhead. i really do. my confidence pisses people off left and right though, and i get into this kind of argument aaall the time. i can't help but wonder why you would make this claim though.

>All I had to go off was one sketch, which yes, believe it or not, says a lot about your skill level, regardless of how quickly it was done or what you believe.

how can you possibly believe that??? that is so stupid man. maybe you live in a world where you carefully curate everything you put online, i don't. check out pic related. it's absolute garbage, yeah. i learned alot doing it though. it's most certainly not a reflection of my skill level lol. thank god. i'm doing another sargent study to post here in an hour or so.

>>1792424
don't think i need a wake up call. gimme a minute, i'll show you something.

>>1792424

do you think you could achieve this closeness in value and grain in a sketch of sargent you do in 30-45 minutes? i don't think you could, you are free to show me.

>>1792426
The thing is though that the skill level of an artist is always shown in his art. Even if it is a quick sketch or not taken seriously. Maybe the level of that piece will be slightly lower than usual, but it still will show ballpark range of his level. Look at any professional's doodles and quick work, and it will still obviously be a professional, just in the decisions they make--what they decide is important to show in it, how the shapes and marks are laid down, use of colour/value etc etc etc. Look at Mullins, he posted every piece of crap he did online, and there are some pretty "awful" sketches of his, but you can still see a tremendous amount of skill and knowledge behind his quick scribblings.

Obviously a more accurate assessment can be made with more than one piece of artwork, but you can still tell a lot from a single image.

>>1792432
Your drawing is off at a very basic level.

I'm not that anon, but I'd suggest taking his suggestions.

>>1792426

Also you posted this previously in a thread called "your best drawing ever"


Does it really cost 20k a year to sustain yourself a year? Why not get a part time and then draw in your free time. Would lessen the blow of your debt

>>1792435
>The thing is though that the skill level of an artist is always shown in his art.

disproved your statement right there.

>>1792439
Intentionally symbol drawing and trying to make crude art obviously doesn't count. Stop being an ass.

>>1792435
>Obviously a more accurate assessment can be made with more than one piece of artwork,

or with just one, but one piece of artwork that is creative and brought to a certain level. not a 30 minute studysketch.

>but you can still tell a lot from a single image

yes, if it's the right kind of image. such as the one you posted. hardly any image, as this proves >>1792439 ... this is simple logic man, you can't possibly deny what i'm saying here.

>>1792436
>Your drawing is off at a very basic level.

don't think so. specify. i studied values and grain. it's pretty close in terms of value and grain to the sargent image. close enough for me to consider it a succesful study atleast. do better, would like to see it (not even being spiteful)

>>1792432
actually, it's off.
and when i said color, i wasn't talking about values.

also, >>1792426 was about what i expected. i actually expected better.
you even NAMED it clusterfuck. you know it is one, so why? do you think it looks kinda interesting and that's what'll get you through? you and me, we both know that you wouldn't be able to make that thing into a proper finished piece even if you tried.
because it's already not making any sense.

i told you: you really need to step it up if you are taking this seriously.

that's also why i told you to stop with the brush abuse. you are using them as a crutch.

>>1792426
Why not post something better, anon?

>>1792444
You are pretty cute, I hope you have success.

So have you made anything since the other painting or is it still the best drawing ever according to it being posted here:
>>/ic/thread/1629420#p1629522

>>1792445
>actually, it's off.
>and when i said color, i wasn't talking about values.

studies and grain is what i was studying. what i was trying to nail. not the shapes, not the perspective, not the hues, not even color temperature. not edges either, although i always mind those to some degree.

again i challenge you to nail value and grain of a sargent painting better than i did in 30 minutes. come on, try it. it's only 30 minutes.

>i told you: you really need to step it up if you are taking this seriously.

i'm way better than you though, so i'm not too worried lol.

>>1792446

maybe i will. too much arguing to keep painting.

>>1792448

i'm sure i will but thanks ;) i have made lots lots more no worries there brocycle. i posted that absolute shit image to further prove my point.

>>1792449
>I posted a shit image to show that I know what I'm doing xD

>mfw

>>1792445
>we both know that you wouldn't be able to make that thing into a proper finished piece even if you tried

here's a deal. i prove this wrong, and in the meantime you study some sargent eh ;) ?

don't cheat and study in greyscale though, that's what a fag would do.

then we post both images here after around 45 minutes, and not only will you see how my sketch of sargent is way better than yours, you will also see how i take the clusterfuck image and turn it into something quite nice and presentable. entirely from imagination. not even using reference.

how does that sound big boy? let's put on the boxing gloves yes?

>>1792452
you sound butthurt, child.

>>1792452

to add insult to injury i'm a girl. so you will feel humiliated tenfold. however since you 'know' for a fact that i'm so bad, and you are so much better, you'll humiliate me. right?

come on anon, agree to this. i really want to win this internet argument.

>>1792457

maybe i am. maybe i'm not. who cares. doesn't matter. i'll start on the cluster fuck image now. better start working on that stargent boi.

>>1792452
>>1792459

>>1792452
>>1792459
First not willing to show any work once genuinely called out, and now wanting to art battle it out (but with an anon other than the one who posted his work). All my wat. I'm hoping this isn't the same dude and it's just some troll pretending to be him.

>>1792452
sorry, i have other things to do. but you go ahead and prove me wrong :^)
you and me, we both know that you can't draw a tree to save your life. especially without reference.
maybe put a electric screwdriver in its place since the shape's pretty close.

>>1792452
>>1792449

Large claims being made here

My bet.... anon will not deliver.

>>1792464
Why would he? He has nothing to win and nothing really to loose by being absent. It's his own fault for not standing down when called out on his shit.

>>1792417

you ever painted something this tasteful and serene? nope.

>>1792479
fucking troll

>>1792479

>>1792479
How is that at all relevant? And that sketch is decent, but very flat and relies on texture brushes more than anything else.

>>1792485

well the human that made that made this too
>>1792439
>>1792426
>>1792432

pretty big difference between all of those eh

>>1792488
>pretty big difference between all of those eh
Not really. There is some difference, but none of them are all that great and they all fall into roughly the same skill level.

>>1792490

god this entire thread was nothing but a huge trolling job. and a huge waste of time. a mediocre entry level professional who overrenders the fuck out of his work and has zero understanding of surface, value or color temperature talking shit to me for hours.

and now what? now i get to make a tea and get on with my life i guess.

>>1792485
see, it's the fault of people like you.

>>1792491
>muh painterly sargent strokes
>rendering is the devil
Chill out mang

>>1792491

>>1785707

you look cute got any more pics?

>>1785707
i wish the whole thread was like this

http://breezetreesme.tumblr.com/

I am posting my progress through the book How to Draw by Scott Robertson.

It's been two weeks and my life has changed.

This is my progress so far, I'm turning 19 this december.

>>1792792
shit man that is a pretty big change, looks like you started to understand that rushing it wasn't going to work

>>1783023
Anon, please.