/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Taking a break from anatomy to work on this again

-really- trying not to draw them overmuscled

will this teach me how to draw filia

>>1786372
How do you get your lines like that? One big brush? Or go over it with a small one several times? I'm really interested in the corners between your hairspikes

>>1786373
If you're starting from nothing, no. If you've got a little bit of anatomy and perspective exp, sure.

How is it so far? No reference, just a random sketch. Corrections and suggestions welcome. (Sorry about posting in the old thread)

>>1786379
i know how to draw head and hand a little but body noo

>>1786392

>>1786392
>those lines

Holy shit

Anyway, the stage-right elbow is too far down (the elbow lands at about where the ribcage ends) and the legs are too short. One thing to remember is that both thigh and calf ending/beginning at the knee are around as long as the body from shoiulder to hip is. When a person sits on their ass on the ground with their knees pressed against their body their knees will come up to just under their shoulders.

>>1786392
now THAT'S chicken scratching. unbelievable.
learn to make continuous lines, motherfucker. you can retrace them, but not like this.

>>1786399
Yeah, those lines are pretty fucked. Thanks for the critique. I am quite the amateur when it comes to drawing anatomy.

>>1786392
>lines
One or two lines is fine, even if they are wrong. Are you on a small tablet/small computer desk?

>>1786408
Yeah it is a small setup. It's just my laptop and a Wacom bamboo. I'm a lot better with lines when it's on actual paper

>>1786419
For example

>>1786419
1. Your chicken scratch is mostly a skill/ tablet familiarity problem right now. You don't have to grind line exercises for a month, but do try to practice more line economy. One wobbly line looks better than a really hairy mess.

2.You might want to look into Paint Tool Sai or MangaStudio if you don't already have them. They have a stabilizer that helps those afflicted by index card sized tablets and tiny desks.

3. Your picture is not that bad, so don't be discouraged. Make sure the hip and shoulder lines go to the same vanishing point (her right leg should be higher. If we're looking down at her, her right shoulder should be higher too).

>>1786392
4. Always try to draw the hands and feet. It's more noticeable when they're missing than when they're shitty. Plus, you will save yourself a lot of pain later if you commit to drawing them in every picture now.

>>1786434
Thanks a lot, I'll be sure to work on that. Also, thanks for being polite

im practising and experimenting. I hate how i render but maybe i will improve. I prefer my linework so far at least i can say i improved it a little and draftsmanship is the most important thing.

>>1786446

keep workingon that rendering.

the way you did the bottom girl's right shin looks like its concaving really unnaturally

>>1786448
aye, I got lazy there.

i also started useing charcoal recently to render some stills, I heard its a good way to learn how to light,shadow and rendering works but god i suck at those too i want to eat the charcoal stick and die.

>>1786372
Nice! Noses are lower too, good.

>>1786372
what happened to my tank abs

halp

>>1786523
This is my best advice.

Ok, I cleaned up the messy lines and I think I corrected the perspective. If there is anything still incorrect like visibility or proportions please tell me.
Thanks for the critique, the information I got today was quite helpful.

>>1786523
wanna show your sketch underneath? predictions: needs sum more vilppu/gesture studies for silky smooth poses.

as for painting, it needs stronger values n shit.

just be glad you're painting at all. seems to me a lot of people stick with sketches and give up on painting altogether.

>>1786600
I have found that I seem to retrace my lines constantly when I don't feel quite confident about what I'm drawing

>>1786589
>>1786523
maybe rude but i would give the same advice. Also, maybe grow up a little. It's worse than generic 13 y old girl design. Multiple angel wings, demonic circles, halo, corruption, heterochromia, and cringeworthy quotes. You wanna know the secret to why this will always look bad? Less is more. It's too much. Tackle each one of those ideas one at a time if you like them, and alone they won't at least scream look how keewl and awsum this half-demon half-angel i made is!! It's just bad taste, you'll grow out of it. Hopefully.

>>1786600
I'm definitely going to change the hairstyle

>>1786376
Both a big brush and an eraser.
>>1786496
This is reassuring, thanks...
>>1786512
Yukari can keep a little, but not on Erwin.

>>1786649
fuck you give them back their abs

>>1786600
Breasts aren't aligned correctly. Collarbones are too high. Still, this looks much better. Hands are decent enough for this, legs are curving all the right ways.

There's no need to change the hairstyle. You're better off just calling it finished and drawing something else.

>>1786656
How would I go about fixing the breasts? I at least want to do that before I call it finished

sup guys may drop this drawing for now ( i satitifed with i wanted to do initially (the boob and knee rendering ( maybe he need more fat ))) and fact you guys complaining about the legs.

Just asking. To improve My rendering can a just paint over over a drawing and study with a reference ?

>>1786658
nipples follow a line parallel to the shoulders

>>1786661
Ok thanks

Do I have to post shit here to get better because naturally I am anti-social and hate criticism. I know that I am making mistakes though. Should I just get some fucking self esteem and post anyway?

>>1786690
Yes. Don't take criticism as a personal attack. It's guidance on how to improve. Unless it really is shitty criticism, in which case you can tell people to fuck off.

>>1786690
>I am anti-social

You. I like you already :3

>>1786691
Yeah but I have no self confidence so basically its just going to crush me I am afraid.

>>1786700
Stop fucking bitching about it and looking for validation and what you want to hear. Grow a spine or just go away, believe it or not honest critique is actually meant to help you but if you take it as a personal attack or someone trying to bully you then you might as well give up.

It's an anonymous image board on the fucking internet, get over yourself and deal with it.

>>1786446
PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE
you need a lot of work, you got time to post why the fuck aren't you practicing?

What's wrong with it, I know there's gotta be a million things.

>>1786700
nobody gives a fuck about you, your glass ego or your shitty drawings
get over yourself you self important faggot

>>1786777
fucking saved. this is beyond pathetic. beyond shit. the sides of her face exist in different dimensions. the top and bottom halves look like they are disconnected. that right hand looks like the trademark deformity of a horror movie killer. Fucking shit how can you post something so bad with confidence. Please just delete it and go back to basics.

>>1786790
Lucien Freud's self portrait also exist in different dimensions, is he shit as well?

>>1786792
Yes. Degenerate trash like him belong in the shit bin as well.

>>1786807
agreed

>>1786792
#rekt

still working on this

>>1786831
Those nipples bother me, the only thing I can relate to is pic related, use as a reference perhaps.

>>1786777
You're creeping pretty damn hard on your friend bro. Should probably quit that.

Also is anyone else bothered that the captchas seem to be identifying addresses? We NSA now?

>>1786831
Yea dude fix those nips. Then finish your shading on the body.

>>1786831
The lower portion of the head-dress-thing is looking really flat.

>>1786831
It's not even just the nipples that are the issue.

Those breasts as just levitating, what the fuck man?

>>1786790
It's not like I'm trying to draw realistically, what I've presented is basically a cartoon. I'm not sure why you're being so hostile over a very simple image.
>>1786835
She's actually incredibly flattered that I'm drawing her. She's rather... narcissistic. I draw all sorts of people, especially my friends, all the time. But I have been presenting this one girl here, no reason why.

the funny thing is that the nipples being up high like that is pretty common for young girls, like in their teens with big boobs. so unsurprisingly the animu thread reveals it's lack of experience.

>>1786873

The nipples might be high on the breasts for young girls, but come on, look at those boobs. There is a use to nipples, you know, and that is to let out milk that's secreted in the breast. In >>1786831 it looks like they're on top of the breasts near the ribcage, and that's just plain wrong. Just move them a half inch lower and then it can be acceptable.

Can you please spit on this image. Critique pls.

>>1786904
reference

>>1786904

lel

>>1786904
Jesus Christ I'm in tears.

>>1786901
all shapes and sizes dude

>>1786971 the shape and placement of fatty tissue on an organ doesn't change the organs core anatomy.

Hello first time poster wasnt sure which thread to put this

Anyway please feel free to tear my anatomy to shreds. Theres lots that feels off to me . . .

>>1786867
MUH STYLE

>>1786867
do you actually want to learn how to draw or not? If yes, sticky's up there, read it.

>>1787025
i love how /ic/ will come at a guy like this poor fellow being unless and insulting then when he seems nonplussed /ic/ shrugs and says, "what's this guys problem?"

>>1786523
Lucifer?

why everyone here draws porn

>>1787062
because they are underage babies with raging hormones and no holes to fuck

>>1787065
go back to your constipation art.

>>1787065
Why are you mad though.

>>1787068
what about that post makes you think anon is mad? feeling addressed?

>>1787062

Real answer: They think all there is to art is drawing humans. They are pin-up artists, every single one of them.

>>1787071
lol

>>1787071
shut the fuck up.

>>1787070
Yep, I am a "grass eater" who needs no Womyn living in the glorious waifu age.

>>1787074
>facebookulous

No big game company (excluding Illusion, they are testing the waters) will ever take that thing seriously, it's indie trash.

>>1787076
The free market will fix it, there will be alternatives. Genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership soon.

>>1787073
>>1787072
>>1787071

But seriously now, look at /ic/, most of what is displayed here is some form of portrait, character art, or study of the human body, with the occasional concept piece and rarely landscapes (which often fit into the concept art category). The only real exception is the occasional still life, largely posted by beginners.


I'm not making an argument, or critiquing the board, just making an observation.

>>1787080
>rarely landscapes
>rarely

What are you talking about landscape paintings is the most common thing I see on /ic/ it's like that's every d/ic/k's fucking comfort zone or some shit.

>>1787082

Photobashing / "look at me I'm using a big brush to block out this scene" concept art doesn't count.

>>1787086
lol
hitler didn't hate jews!

jews living in europe don't count.

>>1787096
When I see something at least like in the pic from this thread only with a character walking, holding a bag from the konbini store or something to that thought will be the day I say "hallelujah Jesus it's not a fucking pornography pin-up".

>>1787080
In that regard lets look at some of the major threads on /ic/.
Beginner general, draw thread, sketchbook thread, and this general.
Specifically at the user created art, not counting updates on the same piece..

Beginner
12 portrait(s)/bust shots
1 still life
13 sketches of people/person
2 random scribbling

This thread
9 people/person
2 still life
2 portrait(s)/bust shots

Draw thread

7 animal/ creature
37 people/person
2 portrait(s)/bust shots non-human
19 portrait(s)/bust shots
10 landscape
2 anatomical study
2 still life
1 vehicle
1 tattoo
1 value study with no major subject goal

groupings based off of most prominent subject matter, and deliberately put into smaller categories because I'm already putting more effort into this than I should be. Also got board so I'm not counting sketchbook thread anymore.

Draw thread wins with 15/82 things that aren't the absolute majority of what /ic/ makes.

>>1787101
what is 'value study with no major subject goal' out of curiosity, i cant pick it, but i also didnt look that hard.

>>1787102

That would be this >>1784268
I suppose it could be lumped into landscape based off shapes, but considering the file name I gave it its own listing.

>>1787101
I can see why you skipped the sketchbook thread.
It has the highest density and the most variety

>>1787101
Well, I created a discussion .
Keep it up guys, we may discover what we need to move on

>>1787101
i don't see the problem?
people are interesting, especially in cartooning, where it's all about expression. we can relate to people the most (duh), so it's a preferred topic to draw or study. it's not like they don't know that other topics exist.

>>1787189
But it's always a nude girl or a school girl image; for Christs sakes you didn't grow up in Japan why are you drawing school girls in Japanese uniforms, JAPANESE UNIFORMS, when the fashion sense should be from what you recall being in school? Asians will always be better than you drawing that same crap, at least make it interesting. And don't get off on me by saying "I can draw Japanese school girls if I want too" those nips clearly prefer white women in their cartoons so why should you pretend what you are drawing isn't a stylized white girl?

Same shit. Drawing 1 character on a white background.

Work in progress

>>1787238
You see what I mean? Well grats it isn't a uguu school girl.

>>1787237
>people drawing what they want to draw
Oh nooo

>>1787250

>never inching to become a professional

Oh yesss

>>1787238
i love the lineweight.

>>1787238
The lines are making me hard.

>>1787240
It's the anime thread man. Come on. Go to the sketch book thread. You'll see you're wrong.

>>1787237
Look where you are. You don't go to a pizzeria and complain that they don't serve steak.

>>1787256
Have it ever crossed your mind that people stylized because they want to draw things that the can't
professionally? rinfag is a professional and he only posts rins.
I draw cute little sexualised girls on the internet because i can't do it professionally. Gray death draws dirty pair all the time even
though he is a professional, how you came to believe that if you draw for money you have to stop drawing for fun i can't understand.

>>1787285
>rinfag is a professional and he only posts rins.
You have an odd definition of "professional" here.

>>1787237
guy you replied to here.
you're going off on a huge tangent. so you don't like weeb artists, but i don't see anyone drawing japanese schoolgirls or anything of the sort.

but i'm kind of curious, what does someone like you draw? edgy cartoons? space marines? everything can be categorized. you wouldn't stop drawing either just because we don't like a certain thing.
the problem here isn't the subject, the problem is just that the drawings aren't very good.

>>1787279

What a stupid analogy. If it helps you not want to realize you're drawing white girls in a fantasy universe where the axis powers won and not pure blood Japanese characters then be my guest. Keep drawin' your school girls.

>>1787285
My point has slipped past your train of thinking. If you can't get what I'm saying then ignore me, continue doing what you like "professionally", that is doodling generic crap.
>>1787270
I meant only this thread not the entirety of /ic/. That still does not give you guys a free pass.

>>1787297
>That still does not give you guys a free pass.
You could not be any more self righteous. Go away.

>>1787296
>but i don't see anyone drawing japanese schoolgirls or anything of the sort.
>>1786372
from und panzer
>>1786446
>but i'm kind of curious, what does someone like you draw?
I like to draw anime just like you guys. What I don't do is pretend I'm Japanese. Besides the point all I'm saying is make the drawing interesting. I am going off on a tangent.

>>1787301

>things you don't want to hear

>>1787302
>You are only allowed to be drawing certain subjects if you happen to be born in a certain nation.

This is the stylisation thread, it was made for people to post their stylised art and receive critique, if you are
unable to do those things you can leave and create a discussion thread for your needs outside of here, there is no
need to fill the thread to the bump limit with nonsense.

>>1787237
what's wrong with her faaaaace

>>1787302
>from und panzer
i don't get it, but that's fanart then, no? same with the op.

>I like to draw anime just like you guys. What I don't do is pretend I'm Japanese.
like i said, who's doing that? you have some issues. do you say that japanese people are trying to be european when you see them painting academically?
also, what do you draw then? i can't imagine how it looks like, with all your restrictions and such.

also you're wrong on the white people stuff. some characters are clearly white, but some are also clearly asian. i could tell you WAY more about this topic, but let's not go on this tangent. it's a minefield.

>>1787314
i think this faggot is a tumblrtard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USsMKUFd4c&list=UUWB0dvorHvkQlgfGGJR2yxQ

>>1787305
>You are only allowed to be drawing certain subjects if you happen to be born in a certain nation.

Not what I'm saying at all. Also the 10 drawings posted in this thread is hardly stylization, more like carbon copy. But that is another tangent.


Let me see if I can spell it out for you and others here...

You draw WHITE girls in stereotypical Asian fashion i.e Sailor seifuku

Bad enough that:
1) composition not interesting (usually on a white background)
2) does not convey a story
3) lacks style (ironic for the stylization thread, right?)
4) and worst of all you as an American or from another country completely throw away your own heritage, pretending you are drawing Japanese characters when in fact they are white, succumbing to generic drawings when you have a full array of new fresh ideas using your own culture using the anime style

Korean artists draw roots from their culture, so do Taiwanese and Chinese.

This >>1786446 is a carbon copy; it shows no sense of pride from where he is from, he decides to draw school girl #358509305. Why not draw your high school crush in different set of clothes that isn't a sailor uniform? No you want to pretend you grew up in Japan.

>>1787314
Look at Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance or Free! or hanayamata and tell me if they look asian. Hell in Seirei Tsukai the only Japanese is the MC and even he doesn't look asian just his name is Japanese.

>>1787319
Remember when drawing was about having fun?

>>1787322

You can have fun dude, just saying...had to let that out of my system.

>>1787319
I draw what i draw because i find it aesthetically and thematically pleasing, it has nothing to do with where i am from
where the original style came from or anything of the short, please leave your political and nationalistic paranoia out of
my art. People adapt to what they like and find pleasing, you might as well start complaining why i still dont wear my countries
traditional clothing.

>>1787319
This would've worked better for you if you had posted it to your tumblr instead.

Don't you tell me you don't have one.

>>1787326

Okay weeb. Indeed Japanese uniforms are the best, and I'll admit we don't have a dress code in America (or it hardly is ever followed), but variety is all I'm saying. Also pic related.

>>1787329
I technically do but I barely post anything on it.

>>1787332
Yes people stylize their drawing to what they find more pleasing instead of what happens in the actual world,
are you also one of those people that complain about unrealistic armors?

>>1787336

>people stylize their drawing to what they find more pleasing instead of what happens in the actual world

But the anime stylized art is based off the real world? Do you think before you type or do you not want to admit being a weeb?

>>1786372

I spotted a ton of bone and muscle problems, and tried to explain them for you (also moved on top of white to make it easier to read). I've given you a really long lecture before on studying muscle groups and bone structure, and I'm pretty much going to keep saying the same thing over and over again. Before you can tackle muscles, you have to understand the human skeleton. Muscles wrap around, and move every single bone in your body, so you have to understand how those bones function before you can even begin to muscle out your characters.

When you start a sketch, it's a really good idea to draw the skull, spine, rib cage, and pelvis. Those are the biggest bone landmarks, and will dictate the rest of your drawing. Once you have those down, then it's easier to attach other bones and muscles to them.

The clavicles of both girls are fucked up, and I think you should study them more. Either that, or your perspective is wrong (I'm too lazy to make corrections for that right now, but if you really want me too, I can try to redline your drawing again while focusing exclusively on perspective).

I noticed that your centerline was practically nonexistent, so you should really make sure that you establish that in your sketch so that every single muscle you draw afterwards isn't completely wrong. I tried to explain where the abs should start, and where the back muscles end. Also, I outlined a few muscles on the arm for you, since you were contouring in some weird areas.

>>1787319
>Seirei Tsukai
just googled that. it's all loli-moe type of stuff. none of them look white at all.
they look white to you because you are white and your world is white-centric. japanese people don't see that many white people. and their minds aren't filled with white people.

it depends on the artist, but most styles are derived from many different things (even animals). there are a few artist that use western features more than others, like the jojo author, but the styles you are talking about are mostly a mix.
the hair colors are different simply because of variety. you don't want to be limited to shades of black and brown.

1) did you know?: if you show a stick figure to asian people in an asian nation, they will assume that the stickman is asian. this is what you're doing right now. drawn characters are representative, it's abstract. rather than saying "they all look white", it's more like they all look the SAME.

2) decent shaped eyes, and decent shaped noses are a preferred feature in other countries as well, not only for white people. i'll post a few photos of nice looking women in comparison later.

you're barely scraping the bottom of this issue. believe me, i've been through this. it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be, and it also depends on the artist.

>>1787342

>>1787343

>>1787344

>>1787339
Yes it is, and they choose to draw like that because it looks better, what's your point that they should make their
characters look japanese and sacrifice the aesthetics?

>>1787342
>it depends on the artist, but most styles are derived from many different things

It derives form Disney animation, which is white characters (princess). The artist will always naturally draw them with white proportions unless it's one of those super realistic manga.

>>1786372

(cont.)

You also draw the girls' stomachs completely flat, and almost concave. Nobody has stomachs like that. Everyone has skin, some muscle, and in most females' cases, fat. When they're sitting, or bending in a certain direction, their skin/fat/muscle will inevitably fold. I find that simplifying torsos into a cylinder helps me figure out the bending/stretching thing. Also, studying muscles/photos of actual people will help you understand how bodies look when bent in different directions.

I tried to explain things, but my writing is absolute shit, and my thought processes probably aren't being conveyed very well, so if you're still unclear on anything, just tell me and I'll try to explain it better. You're not doing too badly, and I think you can really get better.

>>1787347

So you just admitted white features look better. I rest my case.

>>1787343
>>1787344
>>1787345
They are stylized, Asians have round faces like anime characters, whities have lumpy faces. Eye colors and hair colors come from differentiation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCH-s10taBE

>>1787343
first one is completely retarded
>>1787344
this one is still wrong
>>1787345
this one is a almost right

you don't purposefully make characters look retarded. you have to make the right comparisons if you have to. i'll show you a few examples later

>>1787350
Of Cures they do that's why we use them in pretty much every stilastiation art, whate where you even complain about?

>>1787353

>whate where you even complain about?
you know

>>1787357
the left person looks better than the right person.

you cant into objective comparison

>>1787357
again, completely retarded. you can't use ugly features and compare them to decent ones.

like i said before, asians have their own types of faces that are considered good, and you'll see that the features are not that different.

now i'll start dumping a few images that happen to illustrate my points, they are all from the same photographer

1. straght chin and straight teeth are a good feature regardless of country

>>1787360
2. well shaped eyes and nose are a good feature regardless of east and west.
(and i already said this before)

>>1787360
3. asians look different you dumb shit. there are normal, decent and bad looking ones over there too.
in a country where you are surrounded by asians, and see them every day, you're not going to be obsessed about white people. though like i said, this depends on the artist and his influences.

>>1787362
it's almost as if symmetry was a sign of good health/genes and we are genetically predestined to find symmetry attractive for that reason exactly

>>1787363
4. some styles are based off children. some are based of youth in general. some are even based off animals, you've surely seen the type of style where the profile kind of reminds you of a snout of a cat.

muh style
/thread

mfw this happened to this thread just because i posted some schoolgirls.

>>1787344
>>1787345
Naruto and Sakura were meant to look Caucasian.

Doesn't make the cherrypicking in these images any less stupid though.

>Meanwhile, on /pol/...

>>>/pol/32812458

Which one of you faggots did this?

>>1787365
actually, i think most styles are bsed off children.
also notice this in the image you posted >>1787332

and last one
5. this is a white girl
you may notice something, and this effect would be many times stronger if i showed you asian people for an hour, but: you'll notice that this girls features look oddly angular and "strong" now in comparison. almost a bit alien. this is how the average japanese person perceives white beauty.

>>1786446
go more bold with the lighting and shadows. practice with clear bright light and simplify the form when you are coloring it.
Heres an example you can see crisp solid shadows. Make your edges hard in the correct places and soft in other places and use a references if you cannot picture it in your mind.

For now i think your biggest problem is light and shadow. go do harsh single direction lighting and it will give you more confidence. (sorry if my post is unclear)

>>1787374
5.1) another white girl
if they were actually trying to draw white girls, they would look very different. trust me, i tried it before.

remember the stick figure example i mentioned before? what it means is that anime characters aren't trying to be anything in particular. ESPECIALLY with more abstract styles. there are many exceptions, but like i said, it's not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be.

also notice this: when a manga plays in different country, the characters will look the same anyway. because they are not all white, they are all "stick figures".

Anime characters are literally symbols.
People will see what they want.

>>1787374
>i think most styles are bsed off children.

Okay here is a comparison between a young Japanese girls face and a white girls face compared to naru (14 years old). Spot the difference? I think you do, but you still want to be in denial.

>>1787379
thanks ! i understand. Im trying to do this "2 value rendering" that i saw in steave hutson video but i guss i keep on loosing this clear light and shadow separation. will do this harsh lighting next time .

>>1787365
>some styles are based off children.
>>1787388
BTFO

>>1787391
np

I use this site for reference https://www.anatomy4sculptors.com/?menu=8&sub=15#body
(click each body part and then go to the block-outs tab to see the body in easier to comprehend shapes) but use it only as a very rough guide.

The best thing is to have an actual model or photo because thats the only way to memorize how the the skin bends and colors change from different angles.

Unrelated but: For a specific style coloring you have to reference the style you want (I would have a picture of my fav artist in the background open while drawing and try to imagine what im drawing in that lighting. It might take weeks but you get it eventually)

>>1787332

Thas Rite!

Your argument reminds me of one of that black Israelite making that Jew cry when he realizes the truth.

>>1787429

>>1787388
Not all Japanese and white girls look like that though. Anime girls are just girls with cute features like big eyes and small noses. People with features like that are found in both races.

The vast majority of white women look almost nothing like anime girls, but the same could be said for Japanese women too. It's just a simplistic style depicting people with very attractive features.

>>1787403
you'd understand once you actually do some drawing.

>>1787388
again: the sick figure example. the drawing really could be any of them it only looks like that to you because you're white. it could be any of the two kids.
for example, do you see the chin protruding like with the western girl? or is it smaller, like with the asian kid?
like i said before, anime characters would look very different if it was based on the more angular western folks.

in any case, no matter what you say, they are japanese people if the setting says so, and they are white people if the setting says so. that's all there is to it.
to think that they are obsessed with white people is just dumb.
all i'm trying to say is: you don't know shit about this. stop being such a simpleton. i cringe every time those images are posted on /a/.

>>1787431
>>1787429

>>1787319
What is this faggot going on about?

>>1787434

That Japanese girl I posted is literally the same age as the fictional one.
>again: the sick figure example
What about it, why do you keep bringing it up? Anime is based off Disney's style not a stick. You probably got that idea off of some Jblogger off youtube who knows nothing about anime culture, going around showing kids a stick figure.
>in any case, no matter what you say, they are japanese people if the setting says so
http://myanimelist.net/anime/20509/Fate/kaleid_liner_Prisma%E2%98%86Illya_2wei!/characters
Mostly white sounding names, regardless all drawn with Caucasian features because white is beautiful period.

>>1787443
the truth

>>1787348
>It derives form Disney animation, which is white characters (Donald Duck). The artist will always naturally draw them with human proportions unless it's one of those super realistic manga.

Fixed that for you. Although I suppose Donald is technically white.

You know, there have been some terrible "alternative art/stylization" -threads,but this one takes the cake

>>1787384
>/thread

>>1787445
>Picking the token German girl as evidence

How's that drawing you're working on?

>>1787453
I made and use this image to troll /pol/ in their anime threads for shits and giggles to derail the thread when they ruin a good thread, however I stand by the opposite argument which is the trolls argument that anime characters are white.

It's sort of reverse trolling, but they can't tell the difference because they don't watch anime. No it isn't true they are 'symbols', they follow logical proportions.

>>1787463
>I made and use this image to troll /pol/ in their anime threads for shits and giggles to derail the thread

I knew it I fucking knew it you had /pol/ written all over you. How about we make a /pol/ thread and discuss matters there?

>>1787463
So you're confessing that you're a shitposter and should be banned from all boards immediately.

>>1787465
Not right now maybe another time.

>>1787445
>>That Japanese girl I posted is literally the same age as the fictional one.
how is this even relevant? what?
what about the chin i talked about? also do you see that knub on the nose? do you see how pronounced the profile of the white girl is compared to the asian one?

>Mostly white sounding names
you never heared japanese names in anime before?

this is why i didn't want to get into this. people who believe things like this don't know shit about drawing in the first place. (which is why you see so many of these posted on /a/)
the "truth" is, that all these are only very loosely based on real humans. any artist can fucking see this.
i bring up the stick figure because it is relevant.
have you ever considered that even though anime eyes are huge, they still are just normal for the japanese? japanese people see their own eyes as "normal", shouldn't it be obvious?
have you considered that asians also have very white skin as well?

that stick figure example is actually a well known bias. obviously you will see what you can relate to the best. but as an artist, you should know better than that.

>>1787468

No. You see I knew people will post that anime is symbol drawing. I've been in these kinds of arguments hundreds of times and can combat anything you throw at me, that is white I made that image. The fact still stands, they are ideally white.

>>1787471
>and can combat anything you throw at me
By shitposting.

People suddenly stopped drawing to argue with this faggot.

Successful trolling. 11/10.

Get back to work.

>>1786446
More BDSM is never a bad thing.

>>1787470
>what about the chin i talked about?

You aren't going to draw a flab of skin under the neck for anything and you know that because it isn't cute.
>you never heared japanese names in anime before?
Those are white sounding names written in katakana for japanese pronunciation.
>have you ever considered that even though anime eyes are huge, they still are just normal for the japanese?
You know what every japanese thinks or you just get that information off of Gimmieaflakeman or random Jvloger off youtube?

Okay I should stop talking. I think I wasted 4 hours.

>>1787481
>You know what every japanese thinks or you just get that information off of Gimmieaflakeman or random Jvloger off youtube?
i know that because i used to live in an asian country. white people stand out like a sore thumb, why do you think that is?

>Those are white sounding names written in katakana for japanese pronunciation.
you didn't even get it. what about all the sakuras, askua, and every other funky japanese name and surname you come across in anime manga? how the fuck did you not get that?

>You aren't going to draw a flab of skin under the neck for anything and you know that because it isn't cute.
it's not the flab. i'm talking about the chin. itself protruding. ..but of course you don't get it. you don't get shit. because you don't draw.

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/

found this post that explains pretty much the same shit as i posted.
quote:

If I draw a stick figure, most Americans will assume that it is a white man. Because to them that is the Default Human Being. For them to think it is a woman I have to add a dress or long hair; for Asian, I have to add slanted eyes; for black, I add kinky hair or brown skin. Etc.

The Other has to be marked. If there are no stereotyped markings of otherness, then white is assumed.

Americans apply this thinking to Japanese drawings. But to the Japanese the Default Human Being is Japanese! So they feel no need to make their characters “look Asian”. They just have to make them look like people and everyone in Japan will assume they are Japanese – no matter how improbable their physical appearance.

end quote.
there are a few other points with marge simpson and such, as well as 600+ comments.

>>1787484
>it's not the flab. i'm talking about the chin. itself protruding. ..but of course you don't get it. you don't get shit. because you don't draw.

Come on now you can't be this stupid. When was the last time you saw the chin move in an ANIME that isn't legend of korra or boondocks? The mouths are stamped on the side of their faces, it's a budget saver. It's slanted that way to simplify there is no need to draw the chin protruding like that. You said nothing about >>1787445 as if you think it's something completely different which it isn't.

>>1787489
just end yourself already
i'm only posting to get rid of this myth. and i'm done with you

>>1787489
>Come on now you can't be this stupid
>legend of korra
>boondocks
>ANIME
What are you niggers even arguing about anymore?

>>1787495
I don't know, but it's entertaining to spectate while drawing just let them continue in their quarrel.

Love you /ic/

Jesus fucking Christ guys, just shut the fuck up and post your stylized drawings like the fucking thread says to do. Who gives a shit which race anime/manga characters are based on, just post your goddamn drawings

>>1787495

Korean animation it doesn't make a difference since most anime is animated in Korea.
>>1787493
You truly are an idiot. Totally ignore the eye sockets too. I'm done with you too.

>>1787493

Did this nigger draw a straight line over where the lips should protrude?

>>1787503

Yeah apparently he think he won by drawing 1 line underneath the nose and one line right against the nose in a slant. Don't worry he just logged off to cry about how retarded and wrong he is.

>>1787500
you think asians don't have eye sockets that can throw shadows?
you just don't get it do you. of course it is less than with whites, but that difference doesn't actually matter to the japanese. it only would once you compare them. and they don't. they see japanese people everywhere. to them, a japanese human being is "normal".

you say
>they have smaller noses
but they say
>they have larger noses
do you understand the difference? the difference is the viewpoint.

have you realized that when they do want to absolutely make sure you understand it's a white person, they give them blond hair and blue eyes, every single time?

I read somewhere that you shouldnt draw with you hand but isnt drawing details more difficult with your arm or shoulder?

>>1787511
They are, and you shouldn't draw ONLY with your shoulder. If you're drawing on a small scale or just want to add small details nothing wrong with using your wrist and fingers.

>>1787511
They say to draw with your shoulder so you can get bold, confident lines since your wrist has a much smaller range of motion. There's nothing wrong for using your wrist and fingers for small detail work but you will suffer if you use your wrist exclusively.

>>1787463
What is the text on a pink background from?

>>1787510

>have you realized that when they do want to absolutely make sure you understand it's a white person, they give them blond hair and blue eyes, every single time?

Every eroge in existence am I right? left is 音無 宙美. Or what about toshino kyouko? For the last time I don't want to keep posting, they are drawn to look like white people. Have you heard of the 80/20 rule? That is adult sized female anime characters with an 80% adult figure and 20% baby face? Purely Kiss is an example. They are still drawn the same way. http://cdn2.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/userstorage/000/006/252/833/25b410dab0.jpg

>>1787522
wrong image...okay
>>1787521
from a magazine imagefx I think I'm sure some guy in that other thread will upload it

>>1787310
Plinket pls go.

>>1787522
are you that fucking /jp/ neet from last time who constantly told people to stop trying and give up? because this is about the same kind of level of annoying stupidity right now.

>http://cdn2.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/userstorage/000/006/252/833/25b410dab0.jpg
notice the color schemes. lots of other other hair and eye color is present as well. i said this before, but some people don't want to be restricted to shades of brown or black.

just think about it for one second. look at the leftmost girl with the black hair. imagine she is the only person in the image.
is she asian, or is she white?
if she is asian, what makes you think she is? she has the same face and the sams skincolor.
please, just use your brain. even for one second

>>1787466
OLD SCHOOL

Officially by far the worst alternative draw thread.

>>1787539
i've been in way worse and way longer arguments around here before, newfag.

>>1787530

Look at the character list:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/18655/Koikishi_Purely%E2%98%86Kiss:_The_Animation/characters
>Havens, Elicia

You say they have the same face. There is a foreigner among that set. The skull features resemble that of a Caucasoid for both the girl in black hair and blonde beauty, however the black haired girl is of Japanese descent.

Now there is the argument that all the girls to the left have similar hair color but that is for animation and the artist isn't sitting there saying to himself "Oh this girl has pink hair but in reality she has black hair because she is Japanese, yeah". It is after all just fantasy.

>>1787545
maybe you should stop posting

>>1787545
>I'VE BEEN HERE FOR MUCH LONGER THAN YOU HAVE, NEWFAG!

Yeah, please leave.

>>1787463
le epic trolling m8

>>1787546

Oh and I only lurk like 2/3 threads on /jp/ these days. I don't think I'm the person you are talking about.

>>1787487

Wrong. It's because the Asian knows instinctively they are inferior to the white man, and this is reflected in their art.

>>1787566
Sum sik trolling on in this thread. Bravo.

>>1786777
Don't draw the teeth.

>>1787539

This is the most entertaining. It's hilarious to watch the weeaboos stumble desperately over their anime pillows to defend their shit tastes.

>>1787578
muh trolling

>>1787581

It's okay, let it all out.

/gives you a hug

You can't outwit an expert in anime culture.

>>1787581

Not trolling. This is legit some funny shit.

How about you faggots come along to the draw some time? Time to upgrade from shitty symbol cartoons by now.

whats kyle's tumblr again

>>1787586

sup kyle, you know your own blog URL but for reference google chickenoppailoli

kairunoburogu.tumblr.com

>>1787341
>>1787349
You're a saint for taking the time to do this. Thank you so much.

If the soul purpose of this thread was to have somebody provide Rinfag a critique and the redline above then it was worth it.

>>1787586
Kyle I am 50/50 on you. Like your talented, but shit I hate the fat thighs but thats just preference. Can you please make a video of you drawing? I would really like to watch your process.

>>1787604
>kyle
>ever being helpful in any way shape or form

>>1787605
>still butthurt

>>1787349
Oh, and I'd maybe like to post this in case I'm doing anything wrong in my studies...

>>1787611
not butthurt at all, and I don't know exactly what you mean by "still" butthurt.

I still stand by my earlier remark though. Kyle, even though he is a good artist, adds nothing to /ic/. I mean originally he would even get pissed off that he wasn't getting the proper critique he "deserved". What exactly does he expect or want from this board? The guy's got his head so far jammed up his ass it is not even funny.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one responsible for a lot of the shit posting that goes on in these threads.

>>1787625

>>1787612
nice
practice making your drawing more fluid. Right now the gestures look too stiff. A fun thing to do is to draw the same pose twice: one detailed and rigid and one fluid and focusing on the general pose rather than the parts

>>1786867
> autism

>>1787588

going there looks like a good way to get v&. what the fuck is wrong with some of you autists

Christ, the autists are at it again. Anime/cartoons don't have to be realistic, jesus fuck.

>>1787647
>>>/v/

>>1787646
sup redjuiceguy. Watch that neck.

>>1787647
B-b-but all stylization stems from muh realism...!

>>1787504
Kek

>>1787647
Yes they do. Fuck off DUDE

>>1787647
Realistic =/= believable newfriend.
The universe follows some rules, for something to be believable it has to follow those rules, yeah you can claim "muh style" and "Well what if it's not the SAME universe?" but it stands that if it doesn't follow those rules, it is objectively wrong.

>>1787612

I had to lower the opacity a lot so that you can read my handwriting. I tried to make a lot of corrections, but my formal muscle understanding isn't exactly top notch. I think the back and the torso should be fairly correct, but the arm diagram might be a little inaccurate. Either way, for the arm I tried to make a simpler diagram for you to look at, since human arms have a shitload of muscles in them and it's impossible to study all of them. I drew the ones that I know best, and the ones you can usually pick out in a person's arm, just by looking at it. I also tried to make corrections to your shoulders/clavicle area. You definitely need to study those more, look at some photos and try to get an idea of how they sit under the person's skin. The clavicle and scapula are how a person's arms are attached to their rib cage. They connect the deltoid to the arm, so that you can even move them at all. Remember that all bones and muscles have a function, and if you can remember what they are, I find that they really help you remember the bones and muscles.

All in all, not too bad, could certainly use some work. You have a lot of the muscles down, just not their placement or proportion quite correct. And for the 50th time, study bones. Keep a reference photo of a skeleton or something on you, so that you can connect each muscle to the appropriate bone they lie on.

abs

>>1787699
forgot pic

>>1787466

>>1787646

You drew her pelvis a mile away from her rib cage, and her arms don't reach past her hootch. Her left shoulder (our right) sticks out less than her right shoulder (our left), despite her left shoulder being farther away, and pointing back into space. Also, her left upper arm (our right) almost reaches her belly button. Also, her legs are really uneven, and ridiculously far apart.

>>1787701
Take a quick look at how the pecks and lats attach to the arm before you go any further. Your arm is all fuckered up because of your muscular systems on the torso. This needs to be corrected before final lay-down of lines. That was the first thing that stuck out to me.

Also, your pelvis has too many rough edges - especially for a female. Females store their fat around the pelvis, resulting in the more hour-glass figure, which divulges into the muffin and cupcake tops. Until they're several overweight, the pelvis still exists - and when they're underweight/overly fit, they severely start to lose the figure. Also, abdominals taper.

Focus on the arm for now, though. The others will be easier to correct with practice.

>>1787566
oh my god

>>1786279
so...white people see animu characters as white? that is odd. do you see like..jackie chan as a white guy?

>>1787703
WOW TRASH SYMBOL DRAWING SO BAD WTF.

Seriously though, these are pretty nice.

>>1787770
What are you still doing here.

>>>/v/

>>1787771
Same as you. Being a nolife faggot, essentially.

>>1787735
so, in layman's terms what you're saying is that the connection of the arms to the torso seems weird due to the way the armpit (or in this case lack of) is drawn which usually show how they are connected?


this is what i could do from what you told me

>>1786372
>same
rinbro is getting me into muscle girls

>>1787806
damnit kyle

>>1787806
the added bottom teeth make it looks so dead

>>1787806
>muscle

just stay with big hips and ass kyle or big tits your anatomy is definitely not ready for muscle definition yet

>>1787805
not the guy you're replying to but to me there's just a bit too much detail. BUT an arm doing that will always look weird if you focus on it too much. what you have now is more or less fine especially if you're going to paint this or something and i think indicating the armpit or that sort of junction where the muscle meets just above it with lines would be a mistake.

>>1787806
wow you're really the boogeroh of the anime thread

>>1787813
i mean the bump is shaped more like that..like an rightsideup egg not an upside down egg. i didn't mean it should be out there. i just drew it next to it instead of on top.

>>1787341
shit and i wanted to learn muscles.
man, i might just fucking stop. i thought i'd figure this shit out in a year or two of practice, but it looks like it'd take 5-10 years. i wanted this as a fun hobby, but if its going to take as much dedication as working then i'm out.

>another weeaboo thread turned into shit
Color me surprised

>>1787806
Excuse me for tampering with the face you drew, the mouth just bothers me

>mfw values ruined

>>1787774
The Nosferatu Homosexual

>>1787820
not the same anon, but honestly you're not far off at all. with some more studying over time you should get there without needing to kill yourself with anatomy studies. The issues with the ribcage and proportions that were pointed out aren't terrible. id say keep at it, you're on the right track.

>>1787832
im not OP.

>>1787814
I'm confused, what does this mean?

>>1787842
That he's pretty good.

>>1787832
i'm not >>1787820 , i think that might have been directed at me instead, I'm really working on as much as I can at home, as I posted in >>1787689. Drawing all day at work and then coming home to... draw some more is really impossible sometimes

>>1787827
>>1787806
I wish my values were as good as yours, to be honest. Dat yukari

Yo /ic/,
Not sure of the pose, just looked forward to doing a mech suit of some sort.
All is welcomed, thank you

>>1787332
Are you shitting me with this?

>>1787546
>>1787522
>>1787530

A mangaka has explicitly said that anime characters don't have huge pig noses like Caucasians, so they aren't white, (notice how westerners draw their cartoons with big noses most of the time)

>>1787891
Quit biting the bait.

>>1786279
yay! this has got to be the stupidiest animu thread for a while, good job everyone. too bad you can't have a thread for stuff like this and another separate thread where you can post images you need help with like people try to do in here.

>>1787888

I've posted multiple images all proving the same point including one with a child comparison. Be in denial all you want, but don't bring it up again when you don't have a solid argument to refute my argument.

>>1787808
>>1787808
Its suppose to be the hi light on her lower lip but I made it too bright and big

Sorry for butting in as I always do, but when a mangaka wants to differentiate the races of characters, they do it pretty well already.

Example 1: Kaiji. You can obviously see that the characters are japanese and also the anime is taking place in Japan and it's pointed out regularly.

Example 2: Persona 3 (game with anime style). The person on the left is japanese while the person on the right is french. You can tell it not only by his blonde hair and blue eyes, but also by his facial features.

While in other anime presented in the examples in previous posts it doesn't really matter if the characters are asian or white. If in the context they are japanese, then they are japanese. If there's no context (like in naruto - the anime doesn't even happen on planet Earth for all you know) it doesn't matter. Seinen and josei manga artists tend to draw their characters more japanese and realistic. Shonen and shojo manga artists tend to draw them like aliens with no apparent relation to humans as we know them. And no, the western look is not popular in Japan. Up until a few months ago, the most fashionable thing for girls to be were traditional japanese cute and childlish, but now because of the rising popularity of many half asian half white celebreties it's stylish to look like half asian half white. I know, weird, right?

>>1787965
Kaiji is my husbando.

>>1787965
> If in the context they are japanese, then they are japanese.

This is last resort conclusions when you realize you are wrong. I've read it all man, every single excuse.

The fact still stands the boy to the left is drawn with white features in mind as if he gone through plastic surgery, a common practice with asians. I don't think I said ever about "what the script says", I'm clearly stating the artstyle, which changes periodically due to otaku culture influenced mostly in the west, that stays true to Disney no matter what you or the rice nibbler in nippon says (although they already admit it by default).

this thread is 80 % shitpost.

>>1787997

>lalala I don't want to hear the truth

This thread went into a landslide all because of >>1787062

>>1787997
i didn't even read. it's just another guy who just discovered anime and trying to make sense of it.

>>1788003

How do I just discover anime when clearly I know more than you?

>>1787062
because it's money

>>1788016

disgusting

p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶ trannys pay for that crap?

>>1788004
yeah bro, you did your research. good for you.
you could just copy the style until you get it right. wait, do you even draw?

>>1788022
>wait, do you even draw?
>>1787302

>>1788032
dont worry I dont have a job so thats how I can stay here all day if thats what you're wondering

>>1788016
That cock looks bent, in the broken kind of way.

>>1788034
maybe its floppy.

>>1788033
you could stay here all day on the job if you used smart phone.

>>1788047

I can't gather images and draw them over like i've been doing all thread on a smartphone, dummy.

>>1788034
in my mind it isn't fully erect, guess I didn't make it well enough.

>>1787711
I see it now
didn't help the girl in ref was a noodle people

anyone has some tutorials, resources on how to distribute lineweight ?

>>1787990
Please just shut up. You are ruining this thread

>>1788211
look at it this way, when you get nitpicky advice on /ic/ you know it's probably coming from someone insane like this dude and you can safely ignore it.

>>1788214
Well, he's not entirely wrong, but the fact that his sole mission is to disprove everyone on this thread like he's trying to prove something of himself is just so fucking annoying.

>>1788160

When using a photo as a reference, you're supposed to break it down to see where the bones/muscles/how they look under skin, and THEN use it as a guide for your drawing. Unless you already know those fundamentals, you're going to make a ton of mistakes when trying to copy your reference because you don't actually know what's there, or what kind of anatomical landmarks you're looking for to replicate in your drawing. Also, photos are photoshopped all of the time, and can be incredibly inaccurate anatomically. Photo references should help you place where a few things are, but shouldn't be followed very strictly in my opinion.

>>1787820

I'm the person who did the corrections, and to be perfectly honest, this is all knowledge from a semester of life drawing I took at community college while I was bored. I don't know if other life drawing classes at other community colleges emphasize anatomy and bone structure, but it's definitely something you can study on your own. Muscles and bones seem intimidating because there are so many, but in actual drawing application, you only need to know the main muscle groups, and a few bones. My understanding is quite vague, but it's enough so that when I see a photo of a buff guy flexing, I can spot what muscles are supposed to be there. You can definitely learn it in a year or two, you just need to have a solid understanding of gesture, proportions, and perspective.

>>1788222

I take pride in otaku culture, not winning the argument is a failure on my behalf.

>>1788232
you literaly just made a 1h redline that redline everything the same fixing one fucking line on the stomach you have super autism.

>>1788247
Please stop

It's tits and cum guy! Yup I never left

>>1788267
There was no need to reply to me.

>>1788261
It's okay Anon just because nobody pays any attention to you or your drawing doesn't mean you are not worthy of any redlines or acknowledgement from another.

>>1788273
You've achieved nothing.

>>1788272
oh your face improved i think. I like it.
>>1788275
you
have
a
massive
autism

>>1788275

I've achieved everything. Disprove me otherwise.
Oh wait--you can't!

>>1788278
I'm not the guy you're responding to by the way. Post your drawing and maybe just maybe you'll get some form of recognition.

>>1788272

Gross.

>>1788279
You can't argue with autism

>>1788285

That outfit is very familiar, I got to remember where it's from...

>>1788279
I hope you stay here, clearly you are not from /ic/ you may be from /a/ or possibly /jp/ but whoever you are you're one cheeky cunt.

>>1788287
I'm telling you I am not the guy you where replying too initially.

>>1788292

I'm from /jp/.

>>1788283
holy shit its not about recognision you massive autist, its a fucking fact you made this fuckhuge redline wchih is baisicly nothing, made those fuckhuge comments over one fucking line on stomach, posted how kyle hurr durr cant into anatomy even tho noone gives a shit, have this weird fetish for muscles. are you stupid or something ? did you jerked off to those anatomy lessons ?

and then theres this guy who calls himself otaku and argues for a day about stupid shit. You both have massive autism.

>>1788295
At the very least post a drawing if you take so much pride in this Otaku culture surely you have at least attempted in the craft.

>>1788299
I can't believe you get this buttmangled over some Anonymous artist helping and giving advice to somebody else who you know nothing of; you know this is the same exact shit you pulled on Teal am I right?

>>1788299

Excuuuse me I don't call myself otaku, I said I take pride in otaku culture. Only weebs like yourselves call yourself an otaku. onegai dakara...

>>1788304

I don't post in /ic/, in the drawthreads on /jp/ and only once in a bluemoon.

>>1788304
how many times have i seen this picture
on the same thread and previously
>samefagging

>>1788299
Exactly

>>1788272
ah, another pedophile, nothing worth looking at

>>1788306
You are one pompous nigger

>>1788317

more posts so you can make a new thread, ok.

>>1787546
they are not caucasian features, you just perceive them as such. i keep telling you about the stick figure example, that literally explains it all.

i think i'll make a fucking infograph one of these days for dimwits like you.

also:
>/jp/ trying to talk about art.
>outsiders tumbling into /ic/ trying to talk about anything.
this makes me sick to my stomach.
this is literally the worst thing about /ic/ for me: people who don't draw giving out strong opinions.

>>1788312
That's just Mikufag

>>1788321
>people who don't draw giving out strong opinions

>>1788306
^This faggot^

>>1788321

I do draw. I'm not posting my art. Nobody posts their art when ' talking shit ' and you know that. So stop asking.

> i keep telling you about the stick figure example, that literally explains it all.

And I keep telling you about the origins of Disney animation, why do you ignore that God only knows. Go blow your stick figure out your rumhole, you have no solid argument.

>>1788272
And while everyone talks about how anime have white features comes someone to post a loli
with an asian face. Those thighs bother me though, i know that you tried to make them look like they
have volume but its like her blood would be cut of from the tightness.

>>1788331

>>1787990
>>1788331
that article talks about animation, a subject you understand even less.

like i said, i may make some drawings for you later.
everything revolves around the stick figure example. it explains the entire issue. now if you would just scrape your remaining braincells together and try to understand what it is about. it's not that fucking complicated.
later i'll show you what japanese stylized art would look like if they based it completely on western people.

>>1788343
This article?
>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/
>Julian Abagond is a middle-class, West Indian, New Yorker; he is also a computer programmer who enjoys ancient Greek.

Sure but does he know anime thoroughly extensively as I do? No.

You take the word of some no name journalist as fact? Don't you see it's a G̲u̲e̲s̲t̲ ̲b̲l̲o̲g̲g̲e̲r̲? Even I can go on there and write an article and post it there (and I will after this thread is purged). That's like taking the word off some kotaku journalist moron when they don't know what the they're talking about.

You are so retarded you don't even know. Go and make your doodles, using what this no-name journalist told you because you can't think for yourself.

>>1788362
it's actually my own opinion. based off my own experiences and drawings as well. (which is why i'm the only one arguing with you to this extent anyway)
i actually found that article WHILE we were arguing yesterday. they just happen to make very similar points (because they are arguing from the same source, the stick figure).
as it turns out, anyone with a brain would come to a similar conclusion.

only sheltered dumb fucks like you would assume that japanese constantly have their minds on white people when their nation, their daily lives, friends and the people they see are nothing but japanese people.

>Sure but does he know anime thoroughly extensively as I do? No.
but do you understand anything about drawing, AT ALL? obviously not.
my opinion is based on way more than just
>they "look" like white features (to me)!
your lousy "expertize" doesn't compare.

the truth is, anime characters are based of all finds of ideals.
to give you an example: HEIGHT.
not only western people value height and a good build, everyone in the world values that. as a FEATURE, it is valueable regardless of race. now people in the west are much taller on average. but that doesn't actually mean anything to japanese people. whites are rare, they are like aliens if they do see one. this is exactly what i wanted to say with >>1787374

it's about having different VIEWPOINTS.
when you see a drawn eye, you recall a image you have seen, or a certain friend/family member etc, but when an asian person sees it, THEY WILL SEE THEIR OWN FRIENDS, FAMILIES and whover looks close to the drawn picture.
and that's especially true when it comes to those abstract generic VN styles you've been mentioning.

>>1788327
Ah makes perfect sense

>>1788403
#rekt

>>1788403
>the truth is, anime characters are based of all finds of ideals

The truth is anime characters are based on what is selling in otaku culture. You draw Japanese cartoons but don't know a thing about their industry.

There is a loli season (i.e 80% of the anime aired that season is loli), there is a catastrophic season (i.e most anime aired that season is post-apolitical) and so on.
>ut do you understand anything about drawing, AT ALL?
You keep bringing this up because you are getting really mad that I'm not posting my art.

>when you see a drawn eye, you recall a image you have seen blah blah
Now you're really talking out your ass.

Your opinion completely discarded, don't even bother doodling those doodles, have a good day. Peace.

I swear some people in these threads give themselves way too much credit about how helpful they and their criticism are.

>>1787813
ah, thanks for the help

Things will get better next thread.

>>1788468
Hopefully

>>1788468
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New Thread:

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>>1788450
you have to be that /jp/ faggot. didn't know jack shit about drawing, but talked endlessly about the anime industry.
but we are talking about "style" here. you don't know what goes through an artists head when they create. or what they consider. it's not a s simple as "trying to draw caucasians". like i said, real caucasians appear very "foreign" (in every sense ofthe word) to the average japanese
i said this before, it's about ideals. you try to draw some kind of ideal. ideally, japanese people try to draw the "ideal japanese person", and that is still ways off from just "white". understand the difference.

look, i'm more of a manga guy, so i came across more different styles than you ever will. if you at least used different examples, i'd be more willing to concede. but as it is, you're completely mental. that vague generic style is a perfect example for the "stick figure".
blonde hair/blue eyes is an obvious sign of a caucasian, but none of the other traits are such. a girl with pink hair and green eyes isn't trying to be white, period.

you can't make a single point as to why such a girl should be considered white.
>large eyes don't mean anything just because caucasians think they have "larger" eyes BY COMPARISON.
>"white" skin doesn't mean anything just because caucasians have "whiter" skin BY COMPARISON.
>even the upturning nose doesn't mean anything whatsoever because of the simple fact that the lines flows better.
you don't understand anything about this issue at all. these artists aren't always directly trying to draw real people. there are many styles that take more caucasian features, but that is definitely not the truth for the ones you are talking about.

>>1787990
Your image proves nothing besides the fact that you're grasping at straws. The white guy's eye looks nothing like P3's MC.