/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

penis

Guy:"So I he told me at starbucks the other day that he wanted to quit drawing because it's too damn hard."

Girl: "So he gonna be a starbucks boy for the rest of his life?"

>>1784478
I would never tell anyone not to utilize a tool to better their drawings, measuring is a great way to establish proportions when you first begin a drawing but you shouldn't use it as a crutch. Work on developing an eye for proportions.

And as far as what methods to use for construction I would say go with whatever you feel comfortable with and gets you results. Personally I like to use the crazy art teacher method of imagining running my fingers over the form as I draw contours.

>>1784775
>Then he showed me his concept art portfolio...

>>1784799
Im fucking dying LOL

>>1784780
disgusting

Boring square-ish toy drawing anon again, still can't shake that chicken scratch even with pen.

>>1784864
draw something more interesting

>>1784870
Not until I git gud.
No original ideas anyway really.

>>1784883
you are here to entertain me.

>>1784883
Bullshit

Draw interesting things after your regular effort spent of drawing boring things

Alright, new motivation. I want to one day draw me smacking the living fuck out of the bitch who is in charge of coming up with the thread titles with his very own tablet.

>>1784978

#8 describes how I fuck OPs mom

>>1784998
ooooooooooooooh snapcracklepop

>>1784999
>ooooooooooooooh

>>1785003

heh

>>1785013
faggot

>>1785017
Bitch move out of my bitch ass way.

>>1785021
Dont fuck with me bitch ass motherfucker, or else, prepare for my buzzer BEATer

>>1785029
ooooooooooooooh~

>>1785033
Huh!

>>1785063
lmaooo!

What's going on in this thread? :^(

>>1785071
im fucking your mum's ass off

>>1785076

You can have me mum m8 shes old and sagging.

>>1785078
guess what? I dont even want yo mum, m8.

clean up...

>beginner's general
This shouldn't fucking exist. Generals are terrible on their own, but mixed together with shitposting amateurs? Recipe for disaster.

You're all killing /ic/.

>>1785099
kill yourself irl

>>1785099
If they create 50 new threads everyday asking for help, they are the cancer killing /ic/, if they band together and merge all those beginners threads in one place, they are the cancer killing /ic/...

It seems like you think only material aproved by you should enter /ic/.
I take the second option anyday over a spam of beginners threads plus now if i see a beginner asking for help outside of here, he is shitposting or attention whoring.

Kindly get >>>/out/

>>1785099
this

>>1785120
>If they create 50 new threads everyday asking for help, they are the cancer killing /ic/
No, they are easily ignored posts.

>if they band together and merge all those beginners threads in one place, they are the cancer killing /ic/...
Yes. Before the thread was cleaned it was literally all shitposting.

>It seems like you think only material aproved by you should enter /ic/.
Naw

>plus now if i see a beginner asking for help outside of here, he is shitposting or attention whoring.
No he isn't, because posting in shitty generals isn't a fucking rule. These "spammy" threads will still exist because they are not against the rules. The only thing that changes is that we have a general here where a bunch of retards shitpost about each others mums because they're too incompetent to critique and discuss art.

It's only downhill from here.

>>1785099
You are not the vanguard of /ic/. You do not represent /ic/. Go get laid.

>>1785120
>>1785125
>>1785127
>>1785154
don't take the bait...

>>1785170
samefag here, bottom left girl's left nipple is in wrong area, left hand also. Top right girl's boob is iffy

>>1784978
Alright, you make the next one.

My first attempt at project 2-3 of KTD. I feel like Im doing something wrong here. I know that my contour is stretched too long and the tonal bar is too small, but is there anything else /ic/ want to say about it?

Also, please excuse my crappy resources.

>>1785187
try harder

>>1785190
okay. It seems after I upload it to /ic/ I start to notice how lazily it was made. ;_;

>>1785187
The first mistake you made was picking a bright red ballpoint pen for that shit.

>>1785099
it's a containment thread.

>>1785187
this >>1785197

beginners underestimate the importance of clean crosshatching.

take just as much time for your hatching as you do for the construction.

>>1785197
>>1785203
thanks anons, lil' embarrassed about this

I want to git gud at drawing to make a comic I've got in mind.
I've got no idea what to practice on and am stretching myself too thin, I think.
Should I just work on construction until I can make a person that don't look like a blob-- THEN focus on scenery drawing?

>>1785230
welp, im a beginner too, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I think any specific goals we have like illustrating a comic, we just have to forget about. Because, it looks like its gonna take us years before we can actually take on something like that, anon. And I think that if you have the thought of trying to complete that comic ASAP over your head constantly, itll just make our experience less enjoyable and rushed.

>>1785255
> Because, it looks like its gonna take us years before we can actually take on something like that, anon. And I think that if you have the thought of trying to complete that comic ASAP over your head constantly, itll just make our experience less enjoyable and rushed.

This depresses me so much.

Have any of you guys tried this?
drawpaintsculpt.com/the-basics/figure-drawing/

>>1785265
yep, Ive actually written some full scripts for comics myself. Literally, the only thing left would be to illustrate...

>>1785273
If you are more into script writing than drawing, maybe it's better to just write. You can always pay for illustrations or collaborate with some goyim if your scripts are truly good.

>>1785255
Illustrating comics is very, very demanding, especially if they're colored. You have to pretty much master every fundamental.
It's a good goal, it pushes you to work on everything, even if you lose interest down the line, you'll be pretty safe for any other career in art.

I may be overthinking this but it seems this shit is easier said than done. When I try to draw a box in front or behind another box it always seems wrong, as if the boxes are "touching" each other, as if they're merging. It never seems right.

Perspective is so confusing.

>>1785314
you dummy, not the whole box is visible if it's behind another box

>>1785314
Are you making sure to draw the back plane of the box as well?
This shouldn't be the confusing part, mate.

some gesture drawings I did, I need so much help with proportion

>>1785330
>>1785331
I kept drawing boxes in perspective this past hour and I think I'm starting to get it, thanks for the tips. When I started I didn't draw the back of the boxes.

>>1785335
that's not gesture, that's contour

>>1785314
Shading will help you there, as will using different line weights to help imply that something is closer to the viewer.

i post this drawing to /v/ drawthread but one anon seems not like it
can anyone point up wats wrong with it?

I'd like to get into oil painting. I've never painted before nor can I draw very well, but Iv If been watching bob Ross and other tutorials and it seems really fun. I was thinking of buying a starter kit and working on some landscapes, but my friend who is much more artistically inclined than me says I should get the basics of sketching down first and then move to watercolors. Is this good advice? Should I not try to jump into oil painting? The tutorials don't look so hard, though I'm sure it's not easy.

>>1785449
Drawing is the base. You might find the tutorials for oil painting easy but they'll mostly deal with specific painting techniques instead of the basics like perspective and colour theory. For landscapes perspective is a must and since you'll be painting, values and composition will come in hand.

Start with the basics, skipping things now could cripple you later on.

how is this coming along. i know the hands/arms need a little work. i cant do hair and faces yet.

>>1785492
Draw them anyways.

>>1785448
that ass and thighs are just wayy, wayyyy too big for the body and the shoulders should be farer apart

Ok, starting from tomorrow I'm on my long awaited vacation. What's the best way to utilise my free time? I've finished most of beginner related books from the sticky but obviously I'm still sucks with almost everything so it's not that easy to pick something for studies etc.

>>1785551
What do you mean by finished? You mastered the basics?

If you did, you can move on to anatomy or anything that interests you. Scott Robertson has books and tutorials on how to draw planes and cars for example.

What ball pen uses Scott in his Basic perspective video?

In his book How to Draw suggest using a ball pen, but all the ball pens I know don't seem suitable for drawing.

Also, what pen do you use for this kind of sketches where you draw grids and so?

>>1785596
jimnie light zebra

>>1785596
Pilot Hi-Tec C pens.

I use plain ballpoint pens or felt tip pens. Good and cheap.

>>1785596
http://scottrobertsonworkshops.com/h2dr/materials/

Grinding perspective studies today.

Just made this random drawing. I know this is bad, but am I going in the right direction?

>>1785578

>What do you mean by finished? You mastered the basics?

According to sticky - yes.

I just want a specific plan to complete in 2 weeks. Some course or more advanced books. I'm practicing drawing from refs etc. but I like specific goals, I'm more motivated that way and it won't hurt to know what to do. So I'm looking for something like complex book about drawing heads, hands etc. (Loomis pls go).

You fools are underestimating how much 'basics' you have to learn. You won't learn all the basics in a few weeks, or 6 months. At least 1 year.

>>1785627
This.

>>1785281
meh, my scripts arn't that good. So, I always try to look for some writing partner. Just like guys who did South Park.

Yeah, I think I do have more fun writing than drawing, but its just... "if there are people like Egoraptor who can write funny scripts AND draw, then why can't I?" i ask.

btw, these arn't professional formatted scripts, they more look like really long greentext stories that your read on /b/.

>>1785627
So ? Tell me why It's better for example to not learn more about drawing hands just because I don't know shit about colour or composition yet.

>>1785606
thanks

>>1785602
>>1785605
But, those two are gel based, aren't they?
I though that gel != ballpoint and with gel you got a constant flow, so they were not good for that.

For cheap plain ballpoints do you mean bic-alike pens? Because I tried with bic and I didn't like them (I've been using felt tip pens so far).

The first step to getting better faster is having a routine of practice that is superior to most others.

There is little mention on these boards or with really any hobby or craft in general of carefully creating a superior plan of improvement that would purposely improve you very quickly

I see so much of "Just do this random exercise. Just draw something. Etc"

What about targeting your weaknesses in the drawing processs from qualified critical eyes and creating routines devised to get those weaknesses figured out. Things like this.

Been working a lot on facial proportions . these are with no reference. Took my first stab at crosshatching on the top right.

Any tips on my facial construction. Still all looks a little wonky to me. Been using Reilly planes.

>>1785968
It'll be easier to draw faces that don't look, uhh, mentally deficient if you draw them bigger.

I have a hard time sketching rotated spheres (as in, split in half along the three axes, like Loomis heads). I have little to no problems doing it with boxes and perspective but this way it all becomes too crowded with lines. Should I just practice until it clicks or is there theory behind it that would benefit me?

Been working on a lot of dynamic poses to get a hang of non-static proportions. Proportions have always been my biggest demon and its my biggest focus right now.
Thoughts?
Apologies if the pic gets rotated

>>1785255
>>1785230
>>1785265
>>1785273

Do it now, just try one page if you can, or maybe even learn a bit about composition by drawing up some thumbnails or a storyboard. You have years to improve, a day or two of direct dedication to what you want to achieve won't hold you back. You can test everything you've learnt up til now by giving it a shot.

Pic related

>>1786101
Already attempted making a comic. Realized that I should just wait longer so I can improve my writing and art skills. Sad, but happy too, more influences the better.

Ugh, it is like I have to start all over after I take a break for a few days. Finally remembered what I was supposed to do on face #15. Too much detail is fucking up the faces - need to spam basic construction for a while...

Anybody else feel like if you do heavy right brain activities for a few days that it is hard to switch back?

Had to redraw gestures a couple times too. Tried something new on the bottom right - I fucked up the gesture, then I just blacked out the extra lines. Feels like I am cheating. Should I just leave the scribbles next time? Is what I did in anyway beneficial to my learning? Or am I short cutting something?

I'm currently reading "drawing on the right side of the brain" and just reached chapter 6.
In chapter 5 the author told me what i learned in the previous tasks but that is not the case.
I'm not reading the english version so i'll try to translate what should happen in the "R-mode" (the drawing mode or whatever) when i copy a pic upside down.

>don't relize how time goes by
that is indeed the case
>hear when ppl talk around me but don't understand what they're saying
But i do
>have big trouble to "wake" up while drawing
no i'm ready in the second someone talk to me
>don't think in words but in pictures
No FFS, i'm thinking non-stop, singing songs in my head, thinking about life, why it is so hot in here, what i dreamed last night
>after finishing a drawing you're not tiered but "fresh"
I am slightly tiered after "leaving the R-mode"

Okay help me out please since i am doing shit obviously wrong
How do i enter the mode correctly?
I never read a book about drawing before or took lessons

>pic related it is the third example to copy upside down in the book (the kinght looks like shit in real life too, it is not only my painting but also the artists fault)

>>1786377
Here is the original

I am on my phone so I can't rotate the pics, sorry for that and my bad english

>>1786377
don't worry about that shit, just draw. ignore pseudoscience

>>1786389

>cant rotate on phone

waht kind of shitty phone do you have? and change the settings and resize that shit.

>>1786403
iphone and ipads rotate the pic.

mine does too. see
>>1785492

>>1786447

but you can edit, rotate, and decide what size pictures youre phone takes by default on iphones and most androids

>>1786449
wat really. im going to look that up. thanks for letting me know.

What needs fixin' before I start putting some ink wash on this?

>i brought the contrast way up so you can actually see the lines

>>1786529

ref

>>1786377
i think im more glad I chose KTD after reading this...

>>1785099

>>1786533
Good choice.

>>1786529

>>1786544

Thanks. I'm mostly concerned about the anatomy of the face though.

>>1786544
eww gross redline

>>1786552
please inform me of the proper critique tools, anon.

>>1786554
No, I think he is ok with the actual critique tool of redline but he is not ok with your implementation of the redline

>>1786671

this

it looks like you did your redlines with a laptop trackpad

>>1786679
Thats because I did do the redlines with a laptop trackpad.

my first attempt at a realistic portrait. at least she looks somewhat human. ref pic next

>>1786706

>>1786706
no, flip that fucking photo pic nest

>>1786710
its from an ipad i dont know how

>>1786706
>>1786708

>>1786708
This is literally the worst possible reference you could use for a portrait. Blurry, pixelated, lens distortion, blown out lights, etc.

Protip: You need to actually be able to see what is there in order to draw it.

>>1786721
yeah i realized that but this bitch shops literally every pic ever amd i really want to draw her

>>1786721
would this work or not enough contrast?

>>1786725
It's better, but still difficult for a beginner. Try to get something with a strong single light source coming from a direction other than straight on (like a camera flash). 3/4 lighting is great because the cast shadows and form shadows help you define the form.

>>1786727
ill look around. thanks anon

I just tried gesturing for the first time. Man that felt fun. I know that won't improve my anatomy but I hope to draw comics one day, so just feeling the body in different poses was really great

i like being an art critic

a friend requested this...

>>1785975

I've taken your advice. Came up with this? Any other advice? Should i just keep drawing faces from.imagination? Or tackle some actual faces?

Also, Any hair tips? I can never seem to make it look right.

>>1786733
what is a symbol drawing?

>>1786736
Drawing what you know instead of what you are seeing. Like how you knew that a human face has to have an eyebrow above the right eye, but in the reference, the eyebrow was covered.

>>1786736
naturally humans reduce visual data to symbols to process them more easily. when someone without any training draws they tend to draw those symbols, whereas one should draw the light falling on the form. hence people draw a for a simple face whereas it should be b.

I apologize in advance for the extremely shitty feet and hands. I still have yet to study them at all

>>1786738
>>1786740
oh got it. well you could sorta see her right eyebrow. thats why i did it. alright how about this one?

>>1786743
You are the next Hajime Isayama

>>1786744
Draw what you see, faggot

>>1786744
Draw this too

>>1786735

Any cross hatching advice as well?

>>1786759

Oops forgot my pic

>>1786760
niqquh, show us your reference.

>>1786744
i don't think so given your level. according to my calculations the foreshortening is quite deceiving.

>>1786764

I didn't use one. Completely from the imagination.

Should I always be using a reference?

>>1786773
baka

>>1786778

Anyone else have advice besides this animu faggot?

>>1786787
Have you considered using a reference?

>>1786787
If you're still learning proportionality you NEED a reference. Even seasoned artists struggle to get good proportions without a reference; Michaelangelo used live figures when he was painting.
What you've done is learned how to draw "a face". You know roughly what shapes = nose, what line directions show contours etc etc. You have something that's recognisably a face. But you're not going to improve in skill until you look at real faces and spend a long time drawing them.
How long did this take you? I want you to try drawing a face (not even shading, just basic linework) and I want you to use a reference, and I want you to spend at least an hour drawing the reference. Not drawing "a face", but genuinely looking at the shapes and relationships between them.

>>1786787
Ok, first of all, you really need to start practising with a reference so you end with drawing symbols (You can see it clearly in the eyes).

Check Proko's video on drawing hair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ

And finally, the hatching needs to follow the form of the object, the face has curves, its not polygonal at all.

>>1786773
USE REFERENCES DUMMY

I seriously need help with my eyes. Can someone gimme a hand? I'm just really unsure but they don't look right.

>>1786770
fucking saved

>>1786806
His left eye is a little up.

>>1786529
>>1786530


anything else on this?

>>1786796
>>1786797

Thanks anons

>>1786810
>his
I guess I need to work on my gender differentiation as well
But other than that, are they of proper size/proportions to the skull?

>>1786815
Shit, I was actually hesitant with the gender. sorry, anon.
Since it's kinda anime stylized, it's tricky to talk about the skull. Anything in particular?

>>1786818
Well even though its anime styled it still obeys proportions and perspective, right? My main concern is their position and whether its proportional and inline with perspective.

>>1786823
Anatomywise not always, one example is the ears. The bottom of the nose usually is in line with the bottom of the ear (lobe) and the eyebrowns are in line with the top of the ear. That measure is not exactly precise but is a good refeerence. Since some anime styles use big as fuck eyes, the proportion of the ears can ger big too, so if you want to get a kind of realistic approach, check the measures of the head. "Drawing the Human Head" by Burne Hogarth has some guidelines if you are interested in approaching a realistic style.

>>1786826
Thanks. I'll check that out. I know lots of anime skews the proportions a lot but I tried to take my style from semi-realistic styles like in Ghost in the Shell for example

>>1786829
No problem, anon. Just have in mind that studying from nature/reality can help you in a long run.

Regarding the perspective, check the eyes, since they are in line, that can help you with perspective, and more when doing anime stylized characters.

The best advice I think anyone can give you is to practice everyday. Good luck!

how will you know when you are as good as you want to be?

>>1786836
When you start telling artists they should have used more Loomis
At their gallery opening

Practicing

Please kill me

>>1786836
If it's more about yourself, until you're satisfied with your work looking it mirrored and a day after working in a drawing/painting/whatever.

If it is about showing it and having it scrutinized and making a living, probably until you can get into the industry? That's a personal question since if you practice consistently, you will never get satisfied with your work, there's always something.

Would you wear this shoe?

>>1786840
No.
You do not yet have my permission to die.

>>1786840
You'll get there buddy, just continue to work hard.

Make sure you've got your perspective correct, it's incredibly important when constructing objects and such.

>>1786844
depends, do you have athletes foot?

>>1786865

No worries. I only get athletes hand. Hope you are a size 1024x646 cuz thats my shoe size.

is it aesthetically appealing enough for you to sport it around?

I have no idea how to paint. I've just recently started doing digital art using manga studio. Is using manga studio for painting a good idea, or should I use some other software?

>>1786875
Maga studio is perfect for everything BUT linework, in my opinion. I use it for every piece with color or shading

>>1786745

Are ya trying to say its poo poo?

>>1786725
Nope.
The best ones for studying planes and forms have two lights: one main light (light side) and one fill light (shadow side).

Read this:
http://www.freshdesigner.com/good-figure-drawing-reference-guide/

>>1786881
He's saying that the proportions are off, kinda like the Colossal Titan. Check some references, anon.

The length from the palm of your hand is similar to the length from your chin to your hairline, usually.

The sternocleidomastoid (That muscles from your neck) connects from the back of your ear to your clavicle, the one in the drawing is floating and going nowhere.

Arms are thicker and deltoids bigger too.

Check some anatomy books for artists and references so you can get those proportions right.

>>1786892

Thanks mate I'll work on my proportions more. and with the neck muscle, I actually noticed that when I finished it but I couldn't quite figure out how to fix it.

>>1786743

Where are you learning your anatomy from?

>>1786745
>>1786892
Theres an SnK faggot lurking around this thread...

>>1786895

I'm using hampton and loomis. I was attempting to do a picture without reference to have it critiqued but ehh you saw how that went heheh

>>1786895

And I'm also trying to get better at using my eye to figure out if the proportions are right other than measuring

>>1786853
Thanks I'll keep working at it.

>>1786897
>>1786898

It's not a bad attempt, and you've got the general shape correct, you're just off on the proportions and some of the more complex areas. Loomis is a better of the two for proportions as I don't think Hampton really touches on it and more expects you to grasp it purely from eye. That being said, I strongly dislike Loomis' 8/7.5 head tall crap, but that's more personal preference, and it's still a decent method to work off,

When I was going through Hampton I remember drawing almost every single figure on every page, and then doing my own variations of a slightly different angle next to them. This really pushed up my mileage and later on you can instinctively grasp proportions straight away. It does take a bit more time and can be tedious, but if you have the concentration and motivation it's a very effective method.

My other suggestion is to strongly consider working with pencil and paper instead of tablet. Whenever I'm learning something I always find that I progress faster doing it on paper, and I feel as though I can go through more things faster. Pen tablet surfaces can be a bit slippery and you have to constantly adjust your canvas when you start a new figure. My Hampton sketchpad is around somewhere and it's jammed with figures, gestures, anatomy studies, etc. because the process was so much faster. I suppose this is more personal preference, but I still strongly recommend you give it a shot.

Anyway, good luck bud and keep it up.

Is there anything fundamentelly wrong with this face aside from the fact dat heez ugly?

>>1786908

Thank you so much man, I'll try doing what you said with hampton and pencil and paper, I was also switching to pencil and paper because cross-hatching to indicate muscle and other details on or below the skin are much easier for me to illustrate with.and what not.

>>1786909

The fact that you think he is ugly has to do with your brain registering that his proportions are unnatural, and so they are off. Someone who is unnattractive still has proportions that your mind will register as 'sound', even though they are not appetizing in a physical way to you. Someone will never look irl like this drawing, no matter how ugly they are, because the fundamental proportioningis notcorrect.

i want to be able to shade better.

>>1786909
His eyes look a bit too close and his ears are not the same height

Tried some different pens today

Top Left - obligatory shit faces (work on these tomorrow)

Top Middle - the prisma color sucked, it was too slow, and could keep up with the line speed

Bottom left 2 - the pigma micro was much faster, but incredibly thin, it was hard to emphasize some of the lines

Right 2 - the Japanese pentel was very fast, but kinda thick, so I couldn't get any detail out of it.

Any suggestions for some other fast pens? I have only drawn on copy paper so far.

I also practiced some line work, but the circles were boring. I tried to copy a robot, but I am probably getting a little ahead of myself...

>>1786961
nigguh, were you serious when you said you started drawing like 6 months ago? Cause I dont think Ill be able to draw stuff like that for a long time...

>>1786963
He's copying photos.

>>1786955
So are my

>>1786977
oh.

It. Is. Not. Working.
In this task you have to draw an object (pic is my hand) without looking at the sheet and the pencil
If you're doing it correctly the "left side of the brain should shut down"
You recognize this, when
>you think in pictures, shapes and colors
>you don't hear people talk
>after "waking up" you're supposed to be confused

No Betty Edwards, just no I'm definitely feeling this stuff or feeling different than usual

>"Some pupil might need 2 or 3 attempts to push the left side of the brain back"

6 attempts so far, still not working
Next step is drawing 20 minutes in a row instead of five
I don't think it will work, tho

Help me please

>>1786987

Are you not complete horseshit at copying photos or drawing from life? If so disregard the entire book or just that section if it doesn't click with you. If not then look for other methods, the book is more of an introduction to drawing and blind contour exercises always seemed like a joke to me. As a beginner I've found using negative space, establishing relationships between points and focusing on the overall shape of the thing I'm trying to draw is much easier than any "left brain" bs.

>>1786977
>>1786963

But you still need the mental understanding of form and line to produce good copies. All he needs to do now is using this knowledge in sketches from imagination.

>>1786987
Friend, please try your best to ignore all the bullshit in that book. All you need to do is draw what you see. If that doesn't work, I recommend picking up Keys to Drawing, most of the tasks in Right Side of the Brain are also in KTD but with less use of tools and much less bullshit. It's a better beginner book.

>>1786994
Too late m8' I'll go through this pile of shit, test my skills after and decide then whether I should buy ktd or not right now I definitely tend to buy it

>>1786989
>are you not complete horseshit at copying
Sadly I am

>"After switching into the drawing mode you will feel better and you will find everything you draw interesting"
-Betty Edwards

Yeah indeed Mrs Shitwards I felt like skinning some newborns while drawing this INTERESTING piece of paper for 30 minutes. Futhermore I whistled for 5 mins while drawing and laughed 6 or 7 times out loud
I. Felt. So. Fucking. Great.

I'll skip this topic then like you recommended, thanks anon

I start to think B.E. means "conecentrating" by using the "right side of the brain"

>>1787007
Board doesn't use spoilers, I'm sorry for this Fauxpas

I've been trying to figure out how to get the most accurate quick sketch method going. I'm ideally trying to establish the proportions from the beginning without measuring but the oblique section makes this very hard. I just hate having a long, retarded and inaccurate looking gesture under my drawing even if I can build correctly over it.
Is what I have here the best way to do it?

>>1786909
Flat. Seemingly no construction.

>>1787030
more or less. different people do different things. for me i would have more wrapping lines, and more internal lines just to show volume and movement a little, but that's just me.

>>1787046
Don't you often get an inaccurate under drawing though? Often My obliques will be too long and that just extends the whole thing and it ends up looking like an unnatural bunch of loose lines. Makes me wonder why I don't just use a single rhythm line and cut straight to two oval shapes for the rib cage and pelvis.

>>1787058
not really. maybe thinking about space would help you. how much do you consider perspective and things like that?

Holy shit loomis' "Fun With Pencil" just completly changes at page 31 (Where you use other things than spheres).
I'm glad i went for perspective before loomis.

>>1787098
Not much in a quick sketch or gesture. I feel like my shapes and placement aren't accurate enough to consider anything besides the angles, tilts, and directions of smaller shapes. How do you usually proceed? How do you break it down and when and how do you analyze perspective?

This picture is an example, I feel like I start inaccurately and the rest becomes pretty hopeless. Even boxing it in as I go along just confuses me. It's only at this point that I might throw in a confident ribcage and pelvis shape and then build on those, but then I still had a useless gesture phase.

>>1787108
It'll become easier and clearer once you understand more about forms and anatomy, just keep drawing.

>>1786963
Got serious like 9 months ago, but it is not as if I never picked up a pencil before that - should probably integrate 20 some years of on-off drawing as well...

>>1786977
Yup copy pasta fag over here

>>1786993
Any tips for drawing from imagination? I've only copied pictures up till now - how should I work this into my exercises?

>>1787108

There's a twist in her torso that you didnt convey. Stuff like that is the enitre point of gestures.

>>1787139
If you wanna start drawing from imagination more then start doing gesture drawings and anatomy studies, learn the basic forms and proportions of the human body and build on top of that.

>>1787152
Should I attempt an imagination draw along with the studies? At what point will I know when I can start imagination drawings? Are there some critical tasks that I should be able to do?

>>1787179
>At what point will I know when I can start imagination drawings?
When you can draw from your imagination, silly. When what you have on your paper looks more or less like what you are thinking then, shit, bob's your uncle.

The way I look at it is when you are fresh and starting out then you should make it a 9/1 ratio where 90% of what you are drawing is academics working with form, perspective and gesture and the rest of the 10% is whatever you wanna draw applying what you've learned. As you get more proficient in your mastery of the basics then the ratio starts slowly shifting to where your mastery begins to show in your personal works.

I can't tell you exactly how that ratio will progress for you since everyone is different but just don't forget to draw for fun.

I feel like the legs are pretty off, though I am happy with the feet so far.
I could need some constructive advice

>>1787187

Kill it with gasoline and a cig lighter.

>>1787190
At your service.

>>1787187
It's pretty grotesque, both in technical and subject wise.

Please practice faces more.

>>1787190
>>1787193
>4chan
don't know what I did expect

>>1787108

You skipped the gesture stage and went straight to construction.

>>1787179
Once you feel pretty confident with anatomy and perspective.

How important is gesture? Do you really need it?

>>1787282
Gesture is the difference between a guy posing with a bat and a baseball player swinging at a ball.

>>1787179
You can start right now, dumbass.

Unless you are absolutely-fucking terrible, you shouldn't shoot down your imagination just because you don't think it will turn out wrong.

Take a few minutes to have FUN and draw WHATEVER even if it's SHIT so that, when you are finally good, your creativity doesn't end up a stunted mess.

I practiced, went through drawing exercises and books for 4 hours today, this is a new record for me.

>>1787311
Adding to this Anon, the best way to learn more efficiently is actually applying your studies to shit you want to draw. Only doing studies (or mainly studies) is only going to do so much.

For example, I like to draw superheroes using the figure drawing and anatomy knowledge I've learned, with some photo reference. I construct the figure using imagination, and if I ever get stuck/feels wrong I go back to my Hampton/Hogarth/whatever and check.

>>1786735
Holy symbol drawing Batman!

Eyes and eyebrows never look like that. Just saying.

>>1785448
Nobody likes flaps.

It's aesthetically boner killer.

>>1787311
btw, klk sucks dick and people should feel bad about liking it.

>>1787186
>>1787275
>>1787311
>>1787315
Thanks for the tips! The feedback on the beginner thread is usually so focused on the fundamentals, it is easy to forget why you wanted to draw in the first place.

Sometimes it feels like we are being trained like the karate kid in here.

There will be lots of draw tonight...

i am doing right bout gesture drawing i can easy find the line action should i concern about proportions ?

I'm completely going over perspective right now. I keep progressing too fast and realizing that I need to go back and get better.

Can anyone tell me or show me to what point I should be with perspective before moving on to anything else?

>>1787410
I 2nd this. I would like to know the kind of things I have to be able to do in perspective before I can move onto figure drawing.

>>1787435
3rd.

>>1787410
>>1787435
If you do not progress to the next uncharted territory sooner you are hindering yourself, but that's just my opinion.

Try and create a systematic approach to drawing a figure, give yourself an immersion of figure drawing while at the same time going over what you are doing right now with perspective.

TL;DR - Take chances, make mistakes and git gud.

>>1787444
thanks for the response, m8

What's a healthy amount of time and way to approach a schedule to draw.

I'm still going over fundamentals. I currently have a plan to set an alarm at 1pm ever day and draw at least an hour.

I know it is subjective but I would like to hear others experiences so I don't drown myself in drawing.

>>1787475
An hour isn't a good amount, unless you don't mind slow progress.

If you can, I'd say the least amount of hours you can do (if possible) is three.

>>1787475
An hour is honestly the bare minimum you'd want to put in. Go in full steam ahead, do your best and shoot for 3-4 hours a day.

First time working on landscapes. Still far from done, and more of an experiment.

Si far, I understand that it is not meant to be as detailed as figures, with simple, wide strokes for the background doing, while the foreground takes a little bit more importance.

Then there's tones and values, which gives more shape to the picture.

And then there's stuff like perspective, lightning and shadows to give it life.

And then there's Hard Lines, Soft Lines and Lost Lines which I don't fully understand and would like a brief explanation of, if you would.

Is there anything else?

>>1787475

I try not to put a hard limit on when I stop. It feels better to just naturally stop drawing. I am also pretty excited to start drawing after work.

My schedule, probably not healthy
>>1783551

>>1787475
I don't limit myself on how much to draw each day, but I do force myself to start drawing something even if I don't feel like doing anything. Even if I'm just drawing lines and ellipses for half an hour to practice line control is better than not drawing at all.

Anyway, my max so far has been 6 hours. Avg is 2 hours.

>>1787496
Do you even sleep

>>1785187
This may help you - it's called an Asaro head. It displays the planes of the face. From your picture, it doesn't really look like you have a good idea where the planes lie, so use this to your advantage. Also, you need more variation in your tone scale. Have it gently gradate to darkness instead of having only 3 variations of shading. Keep it up, anon!

>>1785230
Just do it, anon. Even if it's shit, do it over again when you've gotten better at drawing.

>>1787512
thanks anon. You are very kind.

>>1787105
I cant wait to get there. So tired of these "blooks"

>>1787506
I have a 2hr commute to work so I sleep on the bus = 4hrs total while in transit. I am rarely awake for more than 8 hours. I am also rarely asleep for more than 4

>>1787622
Have you tried drawing without loomis gazing upon your shoulder?

Loomis' methods are meant to become natural and automatic, given your own methods and modifications.

If you keep worrying too much about the method and drawing stuff you don't like, you'll just find this more painful than it should.

Try drawing something without loomis, see how much you've actually improved.

I have nothing going on in my life, so I figured I might buckle down and go iron-man style going through the various art tutorials in the sticky.

However, I don't want to go completely insane in the process. What's the best place for making friends that are at the same skill level as me (ie complete shit) and are also trying to be somewhat serious about improving?

>>1787746
art school. it's the smelly guy who won't do what the teacher says.

>>1787766
Thank you for your input, but I should have done better to mention that I meant places on the internet.

t. poorfag

>>1787772
k, /ic/ is that very same smelly guy only he's too poor to attend art school. so here's pretty much your only option. the rest of the internet is too laid back.

>>1787776
>make friends
>on /ic/
Thanks anyway.

>>1787781
>make friends on /ic/

It's not hard mate.

>>1787784
shut the fuck up

>>1787786
>>1787784
See, he made a friend already.

>>1787784
>>1787786
>>1787788
I'm starting to think killing myself and hoping to Vishnu that reincarnation exists is a better bet for getting out of this shit.

>>1787792
vishnu doesn't have fuck all to do with reincarnation. l2hindu you fucking pleb.

I cant into 3D objects.
Picked up Loomis and Im stuck with the "box" that must be attached to the ball.
Any good tools for checking stuff like this in 3D? Should I just go download SketchUp or some shit like that?

>>1787804
Start learning working with perspective, it'll help eliminate the guesswork.

>>1787804
there is quite a good program. but anyway it's a mental thing, checking won't help. just try to see it in 3d and blunder along your merry way.

>>1787804
Use this for cubes:

http://www.flashandmath.com/flashcs4/cs4simple3d/

Get a ball, preferably a styrofoam ball and draw the 3 axis like Proko did:

http://youtu.be/PgK90TpV5fA?list=PL39135B8D190B7C97

His entire playlist on heads is really good and of course like this anon said: >>1787817

so, any other beginner here downloading these? We'll probably forget about them after all the years of powering through sticky, but at least it'll make one bitchin' book shelf

Late night at work, only drew a little. Found some neat robots to copy, I grabbed the general shape, and made up the middle parts.

Also tried to fill in the shaded parts - need to learn how to shade...

Didn't feel like practicing faces today, maybe tomorrow.

Doesn't look much like Serge himself, but it was fun to draw.

>>1787918

>>1783845

>>1787784
How the hell can you make friends on a anonymous imageboard?

>>1787934
tripfags, also, I think d/ic/ks can recognize each other by their artwork.

like this >>1787918
for instance, I recognize this guy by his artwork and already know a little about him form his older posts

>>1787914
where's the link?

>>1787953
See
>>1784988

i drew my 3ds to get better at coloring and lighting

>>1787804
Try to do head studies with sculptris.

>>1787958
How long until he uploads everything into a .zip?

>>1787989
why the fuck would I know more than you?

>>1787930
Saved

I feel bad posting on general, everybody seems to be focused on one drawing, i'd probably be yelled at for spamming them with nightly studies - but I guess there is no harm in trying!

>>1786716
It's not that bad.
Keep in mind that the facial features must adhere to proportion.
Her left eye ought to be smaller than her right, when drawn-- because it's farther from the viewer.

>>1787312
Keep at it, ya' big faggit.
Which books?

Could someone please re-post the "Dynamic Sketching" videos from the last thread?
I only got through one video.

It's not terrible I guess. Glass visor looks flat as fuck.

>>1788609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFVggG7ajXM

>>1788678
Thanks mane.

uh, so I'm completely lost on her forward punching arm.
If anyone is willing to do a red line or the like, I'd really appreciate it, because I'm lost at the moment

>>1788739
I also think you might of drawn the head too small too. btw, what inspired you to draw this, anon?

>>1788739
Head looks mad weird, maybe its just the hair but i cant imagine how she would look with no hair.

>please don't rotate

The Betty Edwards Fan is back with a simple question to all non-absolute beginners
Aren't those shadows just window dressing? (Hope I used the right word)

>>1788753
Fuck you iOS

>>1788753
Hmm, ever try varying the thickness of your lines? It'd make the distinction between hard and soft edges more clear.
Other wise, her index/pointer finger is too small. Remember that it's nearly the same length as the ring finger, but placed higher up.
The thumb feels a tad too thin as well.

>>1788756
What. The. Fuck.
I'm sorry for this, won't happen again

>I hope

On a scale of hugbox to /ic/, how good is Reddit for beginning artists?

>>1788763
As with every reddit, depends on the subreddit.
Most of the mainstream ones, I'll rate to hugbox.
The few, obscure sub reddits that actually care about being critique are as cruel/honest as /ic/

>>1788759
>ever try varying the thickness of your lines?
Mrs Edwards didn't tell anything about drawing techniques so I didn't do it
Thank you for the advice

The Index finger isn't too short but too thin, so is the thumb
Thanks m8, any help is appreciated

>>1788765
Alright. How are /r/LearnArt and /r/ArtBuddy in particular?

>>1788773
why the fuck do you want to hang out with redditors instead of us you nigger?

>>1788676
Nice

>>1788676
proportions are a bit off
helmet is the wrong shape if you measure from the nose in the refrence its the same distance from the nose to the side and from the nose to the bottom lip off the helmet, in your drawing its way shorter from the nose to the side then from the nose to the bottom.

eyes are to small, bottom lip isn't large enough + shading on the face needs to be a bit darker overall + shading on the lips and nose is off e.g. you have a massive light patch on the nostril where their is a dark patch in the reference. In regards to the 3d shape of the helmet that's achieved with a better shape and more complex shadows in the glass

overall your drawing is good on its own without looking at the reference closely, proportions and shading seem reasonably good but you just need to keep drawing and practising to pick up on the mistakes you make in the rough drawing

P.S. still good enough to move into general population you're probably just as good as most people on /ic/

>>1786987
Anon, I fear for you.

Brand new to drawing with a Tablet. This is far from finished, but does anyone have any suggestions or critique?

Is it bad to practice with mechanical pencils?

>>1788739
Head is fucked up. Too long at the back, slightly tilted as well. Looks like an alien. Also, too small.

Nose is too low, but might be forgivable if she is supposed to be a monster girl.

Hair has no physics. I do understand all too well where you were trying to go with it, but even then you could improve it.

In general, not enough motion. More gestures.

Foreshortening could use some work.

Right shoulder is fucked up.

Why didn't you draw the feet?

Ears could be bigger and more exaggerated, you should also try connecting them to the skull. Make it look more organic. Could be through a hair-clip, or to root it to the skull.

>Boxing glove is clipping through her torso.

You need to shade. Otherwise, her lef t boobs disappears into the horizon. She looks like she has an uniboob.


But still, you have the basics of form construction down, your lines are clean, you can draw something which the general public will appreciate. It's pretty, it's fun, shows some effort and improvement.

Next step should be shading and anatomy. And it's much, much easier than you think, so don't be overwhelmed.

>>1788859
No.

>>1788859
Why would that be bad? Some professional artists use mechanical pencils.

>>1788773
/r/learnart is has too many n00bs and too little people who can actually draw. There's also no sticky to point them to

>>1788813

Thanks a bunch man. I asked about proportion earlier in the thread but nobody said shit really so I just moved on to applying the ink wash. I'll probably stay in the beginner threads for a while longer though, no sense rushing anything.

>>1788773
If it's anything like the art boards I've seen on that site, then stay the fuck away. Too many people caring about feelings and intent with pieces that show a clear lack of basic fundamental skills.

I feel like the proportions are off

I just want every one of my beginner comrades here to know, that once when I become an pro artist with lots of fans, Im gonna make a tribute to all of you's!

>>1788901
Is that Master Chief?

The helmet looks off.

>>1788913
No. It's just a head a made up.

so long does it take to get good at portraits?

>>1788936
jesus

>>1788936
>>1788937
WOT R U DOIN M8!?!

>>1788938
fucking iphone pics turn when you post them. when i tried to flip the phone and take the pic it came out upside down.

>>1788936
Why are you rushing it?

It can take days, weeks even to make a good portrait, especially when beginning.

The more important part about good drawings? Time and patience. Prepare to grind. It is a million times better to do one good drawing than a bunch of bad ones.

>>1788936
Draw what you see, not what you think you see.

So I started reading Keys to Drawing, and I did the hand exercise. I haven't drawn in a really long time and I'm just starting to take it seriously so I'm kind of proud of this one compared to my old drawings which were really bad.

>>1788949
>It is a million times better to do one good drawing than a bunch of bad ones.

Then how do you explain this?
http://creativeethos.net/2011/11/10/quantity-over-quality/

finally a thread i can post in

>>1788944
When shooting pix with apple devices, I try to tilt the camera up just a few degrees to help the accelerometer know which way is "up"

>>1788987
well the issue is when you post it. it my phone its right side up but when you post it it flips 90* for some reason. for the two pics i posted i attempted to turn the phone to compensate but i turned the wrong way and it just came out upside down.

>>1788993
Are you holding the phone in portrait or landscape? Do you have rotation lock turned on?

I am going to try posting to see if my small angle method actually works...

Took 1/2 with iPhone held in portrait and rotation lock turned off

>>1789000
Hahaha fail let's see what 2/2 looks like

Held iPhone in landscape with rotation lock off

>>1789001
Just curious now... rotated the image 3 times CCW in the Photos app

>>1789009
Wtf faget phone... Last try then I'll stop posting.

Rotated it once more CCW - read on Google that it is supposed to kill the orientation flags in the metadata

>>1788993
Resolved through empirical trials
>>1789012

When holding the phone in portrait, rotate the image in Photos four times CCW then save it to kill the image orientation meta data.

If you shoot landscape no rotation necessary - enjoy posting from your shit phone :P

Loomis justs jumps into this and it seems I wasn't ready. The jaw looks really fucked up to me.
Any help?

/ic/, does there come a time when an artist has to spend over 5 hours on the same painting? Or can you actually produce quality works like under 2 hours if your skilled enough? And Im talking about drawing things like generic hentai pics on gelbooru.

>>1789018
It depends on the medium and the artist. Also depends on the complexity of the work.

>>1789023
oh like details? Im just wondering, cause I think some people have way more of an attention span on a single piece then others, and, someone on /ic/ could probably draw a dobson comic faster and better too cause there more skilled than dobson.

Also, just curious, could you estimate how long it would take you to draw something like this pic?

>>1786931
current wip
don't care if my proportions are off
i'm very proud of this.
please knock me down a peg /ic/

>>1789107
>no penis

>>1789114
Can't fap with no arms

>>1789118
This guy must have gotten penis removal surgery because his dick was a reminder of how he cant fap with no arms. ;_;

>>1789107
It's flat, because you can't into tone and somehow you managed to completely fuck up the anatomy in a simple front view.

But that's fine, because you're a beginner. Just don't attach extreme emotions to your drawings. Because they look like shit, they are shit, and they will be shit, and that's completely fine. Just never stop improving and working hard.

>>1789107
Quantity over quality. What I mean to say is, hopefully you didn't spend too long on that. A gross example would be if you spent an hour on the paraplegic ken doll , the hour would have been better spent on 5 ken dolls with heads, arms, and feet.

I hear the expression "polishing turds" thrown around here a lot.

>>1789131
Are you saying POO is thrown around here a lot?

>>1789131
the goal really wasn't to draw a human figure.
it was to practice shading
i've done shapes like spheres and cones before, but i wanted to try something more complicated

oh god i cant fuck this shit fuck shit shit fuck

I'm depressed /ic/
I used to think I was good at drawing until I came here. Now I'm a beginner again and everything I try fails.
I- I don't think I like to draw anymore.

>>1789164
yeah, ur a fucking retard.

>>1789166
nobody the beginner is even halfd way there to being good. nobody in the beginner thread actually likes drawing. Were only doing it to draw hentai.

>>1789164
That's good, move on to the next task.

>>1789166
The don't draw. What do you want us to say? You can do it? Words won't matter if you don't believe in yourself. Pick a pencil and draw, faggot.

This thread is dead, gotta go on a business trip for two weeks - no time to draw. By the time I get back we'll all be pros :)

Best of luck to us all! See you on the other side

(Is 4chan banned in Japan?)

>>1789191
I liked seeing your posts in the morning before you went to work. Im sure youll find time anon, just buy some crappy notepad and pen at some convenience store. Sorry, I dont know if its banned in Japan, maybe you should just spam 2chan.

ps. Make sure to say a bunch of KAWAII, GOMENASAI, SUGOI, DESU, BAKA, OMAE, BOKU there

>>1789191
>(Is 4chan banned in Japan?)
Hang yourself

>>1789290
forgot the irl at the end

>>1789290
He might just mean "has moot unbanned 4chan IPs after getting too much traffic from them back in '04-'05".

See? He's not retarded, just a slowpoke. Nothing to worry about. Everything's fiiiiine.

>>1789290
>He might just mean "has moot unbanned Japanese IPs after getting too much traffic from them back in '04-'05".See? He's not retarded, just a slowpoke. Nothing to worry about. Everything's fiiiiine.

>>1789290
>He might just mean "has moot unbanned Japanese IPs after getting too much traffic from them back in '04-'05".See? He's not retarded, just a slowpoke. Nothing to worry about. Everything's fiiiiine.

>>1789147

Start studying hard lit objects to begin with, you need to understand light a little better.

I can tell I'm improving and it feels great. Started taking art a bit more seriously these last couple weeks, doing studies regularly.

This is the first time I've experimented with this weird cell shading shit that I did, does it look awful?

>>1789016
at that angle you would see underneath the jaw wouldn't you?

some critique c vu play

same guy as >>1789742

>>1789742
First of all, fuck you for butchering french like that
Second of all how long have you been drawing/painting?

>>1789761
seriously for the last 4-6 months but been drawing since i was a kid

Just finished this sketch. Any critique?

>>1789774
to many hard lines for a sketch think about tone

>>1789776
I was bored on the bus and spent to much time on it. I'm kinda looking for anatomical critique?

>>1789789
pretty good proportions, eyes maybe to big

>>1789774
There is something wrong with his left thigh, looks too thin

OP here, made a new thread >>1789826

Decided to drop the silly titles since that one anon got a little mad.

>>1789774
youve hidden the arm behind the gun and its confusing for the eye in terms of proportion and the arm arm seems a bit short

oil painting of boots, tips please

>>1789834
...the arm arm?

life drawing 1/2

life drawing 2/2

>>1789871

We can't give tips if you delete the file you doofus

How do I make my colours look more "alive"?

bump

>>1791446
Add highlights/midtones/darktones.
Study colour theory.

>>1788760
Do it on purpose every time, make it your gimmick