/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1775555
neat

My post from previous thread. >>1775508

>>1775598
I feel like she`s leaning forward too much. She`d probably fall over forward like that.

>>1775598
I dont really think calves work like that. Maybe the taper starts higher or maybe your used to drawing fatties.

>>1775421
view > uncheck area selection launcher

What do you guys do daily to get better? I am doing a life drawing and around 20 gestures.

I feel I am stalling so I need something new to push myself, what would you suggest?

>>1775785
depends on what you want to get better at, I'm juggling between anatomy and stylization atm, but mainly anatomy.

Try to figure out what the muscle looks like under the skin and what it looks like when there is skin over it.

As for gestures, try not to do a certain "number", but aim for sets instead; Do 15 30 seconds, 10 60 seconds then finally 5 2 minutes, etc.

>>1775590
Whoever OP got that from that's an amazing piece of work.

I will now submit my wholly inferior fan art from Poppy O' Possum since I just got it done and a general is nowhere to be found on /co/. I wanted to try drawing her in the Fleischer style.

Lines were done in pencil, cleaned up and colored in Photoshop.

>>1775596
Very good anatomical work. The perspective of whatever it is they're sitting on seems off. Do you use the straight line shortcut when drawing stuff like that?

>>1775939
Use Threshold to really make those blacks, pure black.

but its really cute otherwise.

>>1775939
Like this. Threshold and Median, friend.

>>1775949
Yes. I'll work on that when I get back, thanks for pointing that out...
>>1775596
I hope it's better than the other things I've done, at least

I don't have any good illustration ideas at the moment, so just drawing characters. I haven't drawn him as much as the other guy, plus I needed to practice full figures anyway.

>inb4 kill yourself furry.

Scanned straight from the sketchbook, I'll probably make some minor corrections in photoshop. Would like any concrit. Used refs for arms and legs (not the feet)

>>1776186
Do you really think you belong here furry?

>>1776186
the proportions are way off. the hands are small, short arms, thin legs, etc.

the anatomy is wonky, especially the pelvis and the shapes of the thighs, calves and arms.

the entire pose is stiff and confusing. why are his/her/whatever the fuck I'm looking at's feet arched? if it's waving, why is the hand so damn low?

it also looks like the torso is supposed to be facing the right, but the breasts are not turned.

scrap it all and start over.

>>1776191
or just stop drawing period.

>>1776193
>>1776190
>scrap it all and start over.
Nice try, I just wanna get better mother fuckers :3c

below the knees are wonky so I'll redo them in the inking phase

>>1776208
>deal with it xD
Fucking stop, no one fucking cares.

Get off the internet, do a substantial amount of studies, grind the fundamentals and come back when you have something that you legitimately don't know what could be improved rather than just letting everyone know how furry you are.

>>1776191
>why is the hand so damn low?
If you're asking that question you have no right to give any proportion advice. Wrists are in line with the crotch. Unless you got T-Rex arms and can't jack off in which case poor you.

>>1776216
The only reason you're telling me to grind studies and fundamentals (which I already do) is because you're making a bigger deal out of the fact that its furry than it needs to be.

This is the stylization thread which is things you do for fun in between studies, so >implying I don't study at all.

I came on the thread for critique not bitches. and I got it as far as the breasts go especially. I don't draw flat chests too often, so I'll research that. Thank you.

>>1776222

>The only reason you're telling me to grind studies and fundamentals (which I already do) is because you're making a bigger deal out of the fact that its furry than it needs to be.

I'm not that anon who you are replying to, but holy hell you are delusional.

It isn't "they hate me because im furry :<" victim-complex excuse, its because you are a lying dumbass who is shifting blame away from your terrible drawing. If you actually spent even a handful of hours on studies and fundamentals as you claim than you wouldn't have this a higschool-tier scribble of a "drawing". I mean, take a look

-Where is the perspective and foreshortening?
-Why is this entire drawing devoid of any form whatsoever and looks like a cardboard cutout?
-Why is the thigh gap so humongous?
-Why is the vagina totally flat?
-Why are the arms totally out of proportion?
-Why are the hands so small and the fingers look like they have 1 segment?
-Why is the tail (I think thats what you are trying to do) such a scribbly jagged flat shape?
-Why are the ears protruding out of inconsistent places on either side of the head?
-Why is the head so detached from the body?
-Why is the entire face a misplaced mess?

>implying I don't study at all.

Your drawings glaring flaws proved you don't actually study and are absolutely full of shit.

>I came on the thread for critique not bitches.

You came to the thread to have people fix your turd for you because you were too lazy to actually do any of the studies you claimed to have done.

>>1776219
He meant the other hand, the waving one. Nobody waves like that with their hand so low, that's what he meant. And aren't you an entitled little fucker spouting out textbook knowledge when it's not needed and nobody's asking for it. LOOK GUYS, I KNOW ANATOMY.

Sure you do, pal, sure you do.

>>1776208

>>1776222

>calling people throwing sound advice bitches
>excuses
>excuses
>excuses

If it isn't clear already your fundamentals are down the drain. The reason why people told you to scrap it is because it's so bad that no amount of fixing is going to make it look substantially better. You're building a house from a foundation of toothpicks.

Unlike anon above me >>1776240 I suspect you're just looking to get your dick licked, and when it's not you think people are just butthurt over your furry.

If you want dick licks, get to the fucking sticky and make an effort to get good. Finish the dumb drawing if you want but don't bother showing it to anyone here; we already know it's beyond saving.

>>1774447
So I read Color and Light by James Gurney and had another go. I need a lot more practice and observation to really internalise the lessons of that book.

I'm getting a kind of ethereal glow in this that I really didn't intend. Help?

>>1776186
Hmmm this is eerily familiar; give yourself one year of Loomis and Vilppu I can't wait to see the difference that is if you stay long enough to have fundamentals rubbed in front of your face.

http://alexhays.com/loomis/

Download every single pdf and study vigorously.

>>1776460
Redline was not mine it was from a nice Anon.

>>1776186
beef up the legs and reduce the thigh gap. also long neck is long. why does this furry have no fur on its body?

>>1776495

Now we're cooking with gas

>>1776495
is that you, kyle?

>>1776500

stop replying to yourself kyle

>>1776495

10/10 wud fug

>>1775555
Reposting with slight changes. Trying very hard to stop overdoing musuclar definition...

>>1776592
post more, my dick wants more muscular tank girls

>>1776598
Stop feeding Rinfag.

>>1776599
fuck you i want abs

>>1776601
Trust me, when you see Rinfags face-body -combo, you wish that he didn't draw the muscles so detailed

>>1776603
b-but my /fit/ tank girls...

Goofy-lookin' old fella.

Thoughts?

>>1776673
Pretty goofy-lookin' m8!

I like it, but the legs look odd. I understand the disproportion of his anatomy is part of the design, but maybe you should try making his legs look more normal and see how it looks.

>>1776679
Ah, thanks. I'll give the legs a go and see how it turns out.

I can't tell if I twisted her back too much or just enough for it to be passable.

>>1776855
The anatomy is broken in both yours (obviously) and the reference. There's a reason why the T&A pose gets criticized a lot.

Get a proper reference you idiot.

Traditional nib pens are hard

>>1777028
jesus god..this is fucking terrible..

>>1776345
i am a newbie, would you mind pointing out the horizon line and vanishing point?

>>1777028
lol

>>1777032
Haha, fair enough, it's a bit dodgy. Got any useful critique though?

>>1775590
I'm not sure I know what I'm doing. I also havent completed a single ilustration since january because I was taking care of my grandma who passed away past week.

I want to take art back again, I spend a day a week on Hamm, Loomis and figure drawing but I also want to develop a house style that takes from cartoons, comics and fashion illustration.

What I'm getting at is, what's your routine? Good daily exercises to improve? Artists who you admire because of their successful stylization? Some good books to read on the topic?

Cheers /ic/

>>1776592
Erwin is the best

Here is an unfinished drawing of my version of ice queen. Any tips or improvements to it? I plan on drawing some clothes on her later.

>>1777075

Pooe Miku has a case of bad facial proportions

How in the world can I draw with energy, /ic/? All of my drawings feel so dull and lifeless. Even if I fuck with perspective or designs or line weight or whatever else, the drawings always come out feeling bland.

>>1777086
From what I've read on...it's about the colors and background. That's all I can give you.

>>1777088

That really can't be right, though. Plenty of B&W art is lively looking.

>>1777090
Well yeah of course, but I was assuing that you use color. Anywho, umm...what kind of drawing do you do? Maybe it's the balance between the object of the drawing? Maybe the pose of the figure in your drawing?

>>1777086
It's all about composition m8. Here's what a certain anon said to me a long time ago that I like to look back on from time to time.

>Where and how can I learn to create convincing composition and good storytelling? Is it just intuition?

Composition is something that can be practiced with abstract shapes and lines. I hear the book 'Framed Ink' has some great panels for study, and might talk about composition as well. There are also various compositional 'guidelines' that are aesthetically pleasing / promote good eye flow. This tutorial is alright (be sure to check all the pages):
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/phil_straub_composition_tutorial

You should find paintings by masters, and break them down into 2-5 major value groups and/or rhythm lines. Study those. How do they use lines (both literal and suggested) and contrast to promote eye flow?

Storytelling you can learn about by reading artist's descriptions of their though processes (preferably high end professionals). The most important thing is to answer all the major questions: What is happening and why? Where is this happening and why? What preceded this snapshot and what will happen after? Who is involved and why? When is this happening (time of day / time period / etc)? What type of mood are you trying to invoke (how should the viewer feel about each major aspect)?

>>1777093
If you can answer questions like that successfully, they will guide your entire picture making process (composition, value arrangement, color scheme, gestures, vantage point, etc). The trick is to solve all these problems in the thumbnail and sketch stages. Using those, gather references that you'll need (whether it's a particular pose, or a type of costume, or a type of architecture, or a type of lighting, etc). Use your planned out thumbnails and sketches, as well as your references, to create an illustration


I would also add that expanding the viewer's perceptions within established compositional conventions is a good way to challenge the viewer's expectations. For example, creating a dense, trapped feeling composition but filling it with happy, free, open imagery. That's just a simple example, But I disagree with the guy above that says you need to be a 'genius' to be original. You can be a truly great and original artist if you examine not only what you are painting but why.

>>1777093
Wow couln't have said it better myself. Well, I actually woudn't have said any of that since I don't know jack shit lol.

Ah cool, you used my picture as the OP image. That's neat.

>>1776855
>1776855
yo anon... i dont know the answer to your question but if it's of any consolation i'd like to tell you that i like what you are doing and hope to see you complete it

>>1777075
I've seen you do much better.

>>1775590
I drew a fugly tranny, a wow troll and a generic anime d00d.

>>1777198
>a generic anime d00d.
Looks like generic male cartoon protag.

I seem to be the only one who doesn't like Batgirl's new costume, so I was challenged to come up with my own design.

>>1777077
The lower abdomen could be a bit wider. Legs are missing a bit of muscle structure and look like bags of jelly. Work on the contours. Knees could be a tad smaller and smoother.

>>1776855
i can already tell that the gesture is bad

>>1777075
it's shit

>>1777198
flat shit

>>1777294
interesting, your sketches are messier than i imagined they'd be.

>>1777300
why did you do a redline and not fix anything

>>1777068
Sorry for your loss. It's good that you're looking at a lot of different styles to inspire you, keep at it. You can try to analyze and break down how artists render their styles by emulating their work in studies.

What is your goal once you achieve "your style"? Single image illustration? Painting? Comics? Do thumbnails of compositions, pushing space, viewing angles, etc. You should do studies on those things as well since a figure on a plain white background will get old. Good Luck.

>>1777305
Messiness comes and goes depending on how much time I want to spend on it.

>>1777307
To me the forms are pretty much there, just needs some refinement. I suppose the feet can also be redlined and the close leg extended past the bottom of the page. I was just redlining what really annoyed me about the anatomy.

Besides, if the artist wants to go back in and do some quick fixes, Anon can do that since the pic is pretty much rendered, a full redline would seem to be a waste.

>>1776940
You gotta find the smooth gliding ones and learn to draw those smooth lines. Without fine paper they barely serve any purpose.

Buy a ton of nibs and try them all out. You will eventually find one for each task (thin, thick, curvy, smooth, so on).

Take a paper and draw a bunch of lines with a pencil and then try to trace them all as accurately as possible. This will help you get smoother lines and better precission.

Last, when doing outlines I realized there's always going to be a little unevenness but mostly on the side of the line underneath the nib. Therefore when doing outlines try to always point the pen outwards (this demands a lot of paper turning...).

I'm not going to say I got it very well but these are the things I never got told when I started and that I realized are important.

>>1777312
>tfw no Dirty Pair gf

Some input on this pose would be very helpful, mostly regarding the legs and the positioning of the head.

>>1777332
legs look fine.
but you're looking up at the guy
so you need more chin. bottom of the chin should be visible.

You look down on things under the horizon, a cube would show the top face. Things above the horizon you look up to, and on a cube you'd see the bottom face.

Could someone redline for me especially the hands, I've redone them so many times and I just can't get it right.

help

I know I am shit.
I do not know why I am posting this here and I shiranai.
I also have no ambition to improve myself.

i have no idea how to progress and the perspective is driving me crazy
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>>1777407
that was all i saw , the rest is okay in my opinion
>>1777448
Looks like you're still in the blocking stage, try to blend more.
And the water should be reflected more on the dirt
I don't see a lot of perspectives problems though

>>1777446

looks very french liking it. got a blog?

little caricature from life

>>1777446
then get out

>>1777048
I'm a total newbie too, but there are some really handy tools to help with this stuff. I actually started with a 3 point perspective grid made with the template from Ctrl+Paint. Had to bend the perspective a little on the objects closer to the view point though. Vanishing points are way off to the side and above.

a sketch ive been workin on for my comic

>>1777481
oh now that i look at it with the construction lines it makes more sense thank you

>>1777317
I only have a calligraphy set of the nib pens

I mean they're difficult to use but they get the job done. I guess I'll just have to get gudder on just these.

Trust me, I've tried finding other nib pens in my staye but to no avail and i'm too poor to order them.

>>1777294
Only thing I don't like about the new BG design is the exposed ears. Could've chosen some different boots, too, I guess.

>>1777198
Draw heads from a lot of different angles.

>>1777391
>mfw I realized this the first time when reading Norling's book
That felt like such an obvious but neat epiphany

>>1777308
Thanks.
I'll focus on standalone illustrations until I feel comfortable enough with perspective to make an interesting comic.

>tfw creative block

I rarely know what to draw.
What do.

>>1776860

The amount her spine is twisted in the reference isn't as much as in his piece doofus. He broke her spine by showing more of her ass in his piece.

>>1777841
Try reading a book and illustrating some scene that appeals to you. A good book will get your brain ticking and imagery will pop into your head unconsciously. Or if you like design try designing the characters.

>>1777300
what do you mean contours? Of the legs or linework?

I don't know... i just don't know.

>>1777905

>what do you mean contours

He's showing you in his red line of your work. Your contour of her pubic region was too narrow.

>>1777843
Except her spine in the "reference" is fucking broken to begin with.

They're both broken regardless, you jackass. Stop drawing kawaii uguu anime grills and learn how far the average human torso can turn.

Hey guys, I'm trying to learn how to color.

First attempt that feels passable, can I get some advise? Critique? Tutorials, reading material, etc?

I only have a very rudimentary knowledge of how to draw, and I'm working on that as well. (Line art is not mine obviously)

asdf

Am I gitting gud yet guys? Just kidding, any critique would be very helpful. Especially with hands and feet would be nice.

>>1777077
If those eyes were three feet farther apart they would still be too close together.

Just kidding but for real those eyes are so close to each other what the fuck man.

Use a ref plz.

>>1777964

>Except her spine in the "reference" is fucking broken to begin with.

You're full of shit. Drawing uguu anime shit has nothing to do with the fact you have no idea what you're talking about m8. The reference ain't even offensive. Specially considering it's a still from an animation to begin with.

Any comments?

>>1778069
yeah I have been having a bit of a problem with facial features lately. Thanks for the advice. I have them on a separate layer so I can fix that easily.

>>1778054

It's gawdawful, and I know shit-all about colouring. Some areas that stick out are the elbow that looks like an LED light was implanted inside, and the patch of darkness at the bottom.

I'd say you should try to learn from reference, but other anons who're better than me may have other suggestions

>>1777028
>>1777067

Your knowledge of shading, clothing folds, anatomy, foreshortening, facial features are all abysmal. What, did you really think you could rotate a guy's leg 90 degrees inside?

I'd direct you to the sticky, because honestly there are too many glaring problems with this.

The best people have the best habits.

>>1778054
is ok. all the shifts are too large especially in temperature. but thats pretty commons just remember less us more and to pay closer attention to the transitions and you should have it after a few more attempts

>>1777028
This is why I come to these generals.

I should probably learn how to render shit.

>>1778101
Sounds about right, those were all things that annoyed me after I finished it.

>>1778123
Then you're gonna love this, it's even goofier.

>>1778145
it's like you try to imitate form but you dont understand it

>>1778145
Colors are juicy.

And yeah I saved it too. I always dig these kinds of pics because I cannot draw like it anymore.

Just get a better understanding of form and your stuff will look pro in no time! I believe in you dude

>>1778086
pretty sex
just fix her up a bit

>>1778102
Hey, have you ever done a self portrait?

>>1778147
seriously ? It's really bad. Looks like the work of an autistic kid

>>1778168
Bad in what sense? From a fundamentally kiddys perspective ? Sure.

It might not be something you'd look at forever but it's enjoyable to find y'know?

>>1778061
I like the lightness of the contours and the almost-inkwash/airbrush effects for the tones. Nice expressions and hands too.

>>1778168
Oh please, I don't even like it and I'm the one who drew it.
The ruffs are all fucking wrong, the collar on the stand was me mucking about with brush settings, all the hands are wrong so are the placement of the shoulders, the shirt doesn't fit like a shirt, the knees are pointing in the wrong direction and the feet bend too far back plus everything else wrong with it.
That's why I'm here, after all, to get gud.

>>1778054
I will give kudos to picking a light source and sticking to it, you've created a nice focus on the breasts. However, you've obscured the face and lost her emotion to a muddy shadow. I'm not caring for the simple air brush effect you're using for creating forms, you seem to neglect some of the forms you've indicated in the linework, rendering the anatomy back to simple tubes.

>>1778100
Agreed, reference could help. For example, the shadow she creates on the bed would be longer from the angle the light source is at.

A modest first try. But coloring/painting requires just as much thought and effort as the composition and line art.

>>1777576
I didn't mind the ears so much, but that her headgear is also loose, just sitting on her head with nothing attaching it to the rest of the costume. Seems like it'd be really easy to take/knock off in a fight. Probably nit picky on my part.

But my main beef is with the jacket and the boots. So in my design, I imagine the top being more like a leotard, keeping with the removable cape and jacket aspect in the chest and shoulders in the original concept.

I've seen cosplayers put more effort into a costume than what Barbara Gordon did here.

>>1778210
looks a bit kick-ass inspired. which makes sense I guess.

How do I fix this /ic/, I'm so tired of drawing nothing but mediocre crap that just doesn't "look right"

>>1778258
the answer is literally "put in more effort".
i mean just look at your lines. look at that hair, those eyes. there is no love for detail of any kind.

>>1778262
seconded and learn anatomy

>>1778210
Yea, that jacket looks really stiff and not good for fighting and it goes under the belt? Tacky, and the boots just straight up clash with it all, yours is better and my only complaint would be purple is an ugly color

>>1777468
Thanks for the help. I still have quite a lot of things to do with the values and detail, though.

youtube.com/watch?v=eSaoRd35ius?t=1m20s
Is this how every post looks like here.

So I'm a bit of a scrub, I've only started running through all what's in the sticky lately, and most of my knowledge comes from looking at other artists' sketches and just seeing how everything is put together. I'm just looking to see if there's any specific areas I should focus on.

>>1778313
I don't know, purple can look good. Pic related ;P

I assume the new editor on the book wanted to harken back to the 60's TV Batgirl look. It's tone is supposedly going to be more "fun."

Mobile+iPad drawings 1

Mobile+iPad drawings 2

Mobile+iPad drawings 3

>>1778465
i like it

>>1778627
hey like your face rendering but i think the chin or jaw is off

i need a quetion i am i doing right for the clothes ?

>>1778638
See the notes on this one about the jacket.
We shouldn't be seeing tits.
>>1778210

>>1778627
her thigh looks kinda weird

>>1778627
Hey, do you come up with poses and hairstyles all by yourself or do you use some direct reference?
If you don't use reference, can you share a bit of your thought process? Like do you go through iterations or the whole thing just pops up in your head, etc.

It's been too long

>>1778640
oh thanks buudy

help i have never actually progressed this far in a drawing and i don't know what to do next, also tips on how to draw hands and feet would be nice.

How does it look from this perspective? Trying something new.

>>1778756
Just look at some references for the hands and feet, look at your own if you need to, and break them down into simple shapes onto your original rough sketch. Practice and a blank sheet before hand to make sure you can draw it well enough.

Also, the upper torso looks small and she's missin' those big tits.

>>1778767
What reference are you using?

>>1778768

>>1778769
The chin's bothering me the most.

Also, the ear should be angled more to the right, kind of like the guy's.

>>1775590
tried coloring and doing some primitive cel shading to make it look less flat... mostly just a super boring perspective. guess you have to learn to walk before you can run

>>1778767

work on the basics 1st you're not ready for perspective

>>1778701
mostly i just make it up as i go. after the rough sketch ill go through my reference folders to find photos that are similiar to get the anatomy more accurate

>>1778767
She's really got a bulbous alien head, like the Keepers from TOS Star Trek. With the tilting up of the head, you should be shifting the features of the face up with it.

In most cases, drawing a distinctive line to render the underside of the chin is not good looking, something that would better be filled in with tone or color.

>>1779091
horrid redline

>>1778711
I like the painting overall, modulation of the colors, focus on the face works well.

The skirt and fluffy stuff under tends to flatten out. Nicely painted though, just needs some more volume there.

>>1779095
Thanks! :D

>>1778781
probly one of the first anons ive seen that clearly illustrates what perspective is
can you define perspective in one sentence?

>>1779099
also now that i take look closer i did't even notice there was a second redline up top...
>never redline again

Any good guides on how to construct animu faces?

>>1779102
Thanks again! :)

>>1779100
things closer are bigger and things farther are smaller.

>>1779091
Hey thanks for that, I'll fill that underside of the chin with color instead and see if I can foreshorten the face like you have this is good stuff.

>>1778210
I think this design looks really nice and fashionable, but not fit for fighting at all.

Onii-chan?

>>1779465
HEAD'S HUGE

>>1779465
Head's lighting doesn't match the body's

>>1775590
Omg!!! OP please tell me who is the artist of this picture?

new anime style

>>1778640
>See the notes on this one about the jacket.
>We shouldn't be seeing tits.

The fact that her tits aren't showing or separate isn't what bugs me. The design would seem lazy for the character; something wannabe thrown together out of her closet.

And what's wrong with tits? Maybe she should be wearing a burka? :D

>>1779782
>The design would seem lazy for the character; something wannabe thrown together out of her closet.
Could be intentional.
>And what's wrong with tits? Maybe she should be wearing a burka? :D
C'mon man, I know you aren't that stupid to think in extremes.

Unless porn artists and not sexualizing everything is a completely foreign concept to them.

>>1779524
THDark.

>>1776860
she's half cat if that helps

>>1779784
Possibly. Barbara Gordon never was sought out by Batman, but ran around in a Halloween costume. I haven't followed the Nu52 Batgirl, so I don't know if they kept any of her Oracle smarts. But if they did, she'd have some resources to come up with a better costume than something out of a closet.

I was thinking of doing Batgirl in a burka as a joke, pretty much pointed ears on a burlap sack. But since there's a derth of tits on Batgirl, I'll even it out.

>>1779796
Even cats have spines

>>1779837
but they do have more flexible spines. my cat can have its back legs at 180 degrees from its front ones. and in that picture the twist is well within the realm of whay people can do.

>>1779845
Not that guy but she's still humanoid, you're just using that as a cop out, you can disagree if you want but people just cant bend that far back, try it yourself.

People should utilize themselves as an indirect reference more, So many artists bend the neck backwards too much or turn the chest from the pelvis way too drastically or have the arm look wierd when it goes over the head. I do it too, especially with the spine but you can always check on yourself when you're not sure.

>>1779852
what would me bending prove? I'm not a contortionist. this is a special aspect of the character she's bound to be far far more flexible than some dude.

and just because something is humanoid it doesn't mean it can't have a few extra vertibrae or more supple ligaments.

>>1779864
>doesn't mean it can't have a few extra vertibrae or more supple ligaments

Whatever nigger lol, i thought you posted your piece so you could get critique not argue that your figure has magical supple ligaments. All i did was answer your original post by saying that, no, you cant normally really bend that way. And yea, you bending is an extremely quick reference for how a body can and cant normally bend, so that's exactly what that proves. I doubt every character you draw is going to be a contortionist so it's best not to pick up the habit of stretching the spine impossibly.

Maybe your average person wouldn't even notice the fucked up turn of the spine, but fuck that, take pride in your shit and strive for perfection.

>>1779901
i'm not the artist i just wanted to argue with you.

it's a fucking half-cat half-girl.

>hurr durr must have exact same biology as human

i know cunts like you must watch tv. you know a hero has powers outside of what a normal human has, how can you be so thick headed as to find it impossible to imagine a cat girl being more supple than a human? what is wrong with you, man.

and how you know i'm black?

>>1779910
Is this what you want him to strive for you jolly african american filth?

Maybe if she had the lower body of a fucking cat i might agree but no, she's basically a girl with cat ears or a tail or whatever the fuck. She might be more flexible but if you had her bend her neck back 180 degrees it would still look weird no matter how much of a cat she is.

i sure do love arguing though

>>1779910
and to reiterate it's not even that much of a stretch seeing as she's hyper-extended spinning in for a kick. similar to a guy throwing a base ball.

pic related, panel one, how your stupid ass would draw a guy throwing a ball.

panel 2 how someone that remembers bodies movie do it.

Here trying make mango characters, advice please /ic/

>>1779915
Are you even looking at his drawing?

Look dipshit, if he had covered her hips in clothing it would probably be fine, you could just say he's pushing the anatomy to get the pose which is fine, but he has her midsection uncovered so it looks like her chest is literally sitting at a 90 degree angle to her hips. It looks kind of fucked, even you're pic isn't that extreme.

>>1779932
you are such a fucking moron. it's impossible that you're not a troll. the end.

>>1779929
You haven't got a slightest idea how breasts work, do you.

>>1779986
Neither do real anime artists.

>>1779929
Breasts need to come out and attach from the armpit. They don't just pop out off the chest like that... I'm talking most specifically about your character on the right. Her tits are also going at strange angles compared to how her ribcage and torso are sitting - they need more gravity to them.

Flat colours, hit a bit of a wall on how to colour this, I'm used to cell shading but would like this piece to look more 'painted' hoping shading will help the foreshadowing look less odd and more dramatic. Any advice?

>>1780083
Color and light is not really something you could explain in a 4chan post, i would suggest you this, Schoolism - Designing with Color and Light with Nathan Fowkes, it was extremely helpful to me, i remember that it was on CGpeers

>>1780091
True enough, was still hoping I might luck out and get some good tutorials, That's for the recommendation I'll check it out.

>>1779932
You must be blind, it is not 90 degrees to her hips. Look at the drawing more carefully before giving shitty critique.

>>1780013

>>1780092
Truly learning about color and light is the only way, you can read tutorials that would tell you put line in here and this color
their, but when you try something new you would always be left puzzled. Give it a try, it's not actually that hard you just
need some material that explains it with good detail, after that you can stylize it to your animu needs as much as you want,
to achieve the effect that you want.

>>1779788
>THDark
Can you give a link? Google give lots of "The Dark Artists"

>>1779986
you haven't got a slightest idea how dicks work either, so shut your whore mouth.

>>1776855
It's fine. One doesn't have to be a contortionist to turn that far. Look at enough porn and you'll notice how flexible the body can be.

I'd be more worried about the angle of the head, which is on a different plane than the torso. I do like the forms of the butt though. GJ.

>>1780113
Dude, it's literally the first result from typing THDark into google. What's wrong with you.

>>1780197
nope just a bunch of musicians and such called like 'the dark'

I'm happy with it, therefore something is wrong, but I don't know what it is please help

>>1779091

>>1780213
hah

>>1780199
I like it a lot. the only really big thing letting it down is the sword. which is a bit wobbly.

>>1780213
Kowai.

>>1780198

>>1780199
that head style dosent fit the body at all. It should be more chbi style head, bigger and with big eyes.

>>1780230
The head and everything else is fine but the eyes don't fit and should look more stylized or anime-ish

>>1778627
a bit off but I like the styke, anywhere u post?

>>1779465
scary

>>1777312
>Dirty Pair again
Yessss, I love this stuff man.

>>1777028
>>1778145

Jesus Christ, Araki himself would die from this

My last post and then I'll stop bugging you guys about perspective. I'm proud of it so I need a reality check.

>>1780213
Ay que chulo~

>>1780199
Are you drawr.net/toobad ? Very similar style.

>>1780301
You made her a giant. Even though you made the head perspective from a more worm's eye view, the rest of the body is drawn as if the horizon line is at her waist. The effect makes her look larger than normal in the setting you have. Tiny building in the background doesn't help, unless it's supposed to be in the foreground.

>>1780437
Thank you for clarifying the perspective, do you have a paypal somewhere so I can give you a little something for all you've done?

>>1780301
that looks so eerie, man.

>>1780496

I sure do buddy! I'm gonna need about 300 shekels, is that cool?

>>1780524
Cut it out Shlomo.

>>1780496
meh. That's okay, just trying to help out.

>>1780554
Well I thank you.

I'm gonna dump a few of my works, hope that someone finds them interesting and if you wish, give me your opinions

>>1780585
just two more

>>1780605
last one

>>1778443
i like the metal flake paint on the costume

>>1779097
Thanks dude, I'll try to pay more attention to those kinds of things.

In the meantime, experimenting with style a bit. How do I keep from drawing things totally skewed?

>>1779782
if you talked about my yes is intentional since story 's place is a snow village

>>1779784
i didn't think of clothes tightness i am drawing this i should take ref

I need help guys. You guys know so much about artist, so... I need the name of the artist responsable for this "semi realistic" style that many on internet copy. Example of artist who copies this style

>>1778638 here


the best to learn anatomy is gesture drawing or study ?

>>1780821
I dont completely understand the question, study what? You need both.

So I'm adding somme socks I have on her feet and adding underwear sinced I'm too lazy to draw vagina. I'm happy with it.

>>1780822
the type of what i should prioritise for comic book

>>1780789
That's a very generic style, Anon.

>>1780388
I am not, but thank you for pointing this guy out to me

>>1779941
>>1780094
>>1779932
Just as a reference.

>>1780837
Well, can you point out a solid artist that (use this style) to me for study?

>>1780789
>"semi realistic" style that many on internet copy
Are you even asking a real question? There are an unending amount of ways to draw "semi realistic", and no one artist is 'responsible' for it.
If you want more like the picture you posted, look up the artist who did that, and then find the people that artist is inspired by and/or likes.

>>1780877
Study using real life models, seriously.

It's simplified realism.

>>1780861
It looks like left thigh/buttox should be a bit bigger in his image, and the right thigh/buttox should be smaller and not as visible based on your reference and the reference he used.

Back again with more sketches. I feel like my anatomy is weaker this time around though. Any critique?

>>1777841
what brush is that?

>>1780917
M-...muh dick

>>1780917
It feels like you're rushing through a lot of your drawings, and that's affecting how well your anatomy/other qualities of your drawing are coming out.

I'd suggest focusing on completing a single drawing, and force yourself to complete it and take your time on it. Don't quit until you finish, and use as many references as you need.

This way, it'll be easier to tell what you need to improve on, and what areas you can focus on next.

>>1781006
Yes you are right, I am finishing these pretty quickly and now that you mention it, I'm already seeing tons of issues. Alright thanks a bunch, I'll do a complete piece then.

>>1781006
I see, I'll do that then thanks. Solely based on the drawings though, is there anything specific that should be worked on? Technically and/or aesthetically? Sorry if I'm asking too much, I just always feel like I'm not improving, even if I am.

>>1781098
It looks like the issues that I can notice mostly involve anatomy.

A few examples I notice:

On the very bottom picture, the left boob should hanging more to the right or the left due to gravity. The right boob is resting on the right arm, so this would affect the shape of that breast. Where her ass is on the ground should be flatter as a result of the ground pushing up against it. Her right forearm looks like it's skeleton is a noodle. Also, it feels like the torso in general is stuck in an odd position. I think it would make more sense if the upper portion of her back and her shoulder blades were resting on the ground.

In the picture where she's making the heart behind her back, the boob should be sagging a bit more and the nipple should be lower.

These are just a few things that I noticed.

Do you have any of your older pictures saved? Ones from a month or more ago that you can post?

>>1781131
Ah wow I'm seeing it, amongst other things now. Thanks!

Well there's this one? Not too old but I can see a lot of mistakes on this one. Like TONS.

How would you suggest I fix these anatomical errors? I asked before and they said use my imagination with no reference to force myself to remember the anatomy and stuff, THEN look at some sort of reference. I also checked out another thread (the quality vs. quantity one) and the majority said that doing more quick drawings (while spotting errors) as opposed to doing one whole drawing, is better. I'm not sure which advice to follow

>>1780828
your proportions are a fucking mess.

>>1780437
I always enjoy your stuff man. How many years have you been serious about practicing drawing, and how much time have you spent doing figure drawing?

>>1781140
>How would you suggest I fix these anatomical errors?
Honestly, the best thing you can do is get a book on anatomy and study it. It'll give you a fundamental understanding of how the human body works (the basic framework/skeleton, how muscle forms around the skeleton, and how the skin wraps around and covers these muscles). As far as fixing the errors in your recent drawing, try to find a reference that's close to the position you were drawing or try and see if you can request a redline.

>the majority said that doing more quick drawings (while spotting errors) as opposed to doing one whole drawing, is better. I'm not sure which advice to follow
You're going to get conflicting advice with a lot of things here. I think it would benefit you the most if you begin with quick and loose drawings as a warm-up, and try to spot/fix the errors you find. Then you do a major drawing (drawing from life or something that will take you 30+ minutes or so to finish).

Ideally, you should try mixing it up and see what works best for you. From what I can tell, you've gotten decent at doing gestures, but what you need to work on is constructing and building the human form onto the gesture. I think this is where you're getting the very curved arms and legs in your drawings. For instance, notice the left arm on the picture you posted. it curves a bit much to the right and then the left.

>>1781159
Ah I see I see. Then I should grind more on the anatomy books then.

Ok so a compromise of both sounds good, I'll see what happens with that then.

Alrighty thanks for the help mate, I'll be sure to follow your advice. Here's to improving

I hope this looks somewhat better

I want to start coloring it and polish it up, but I don't know where to start. Advice?

>>1781167

You still haven't changed much. It's still an adult head sitting atop of a child/deformed's body and it's jarring for them to be together. soften her features and make her more childish.

>>1781163
No problem. As long as you keep challenging yourself to improve, even though it might not feel like you're going anywhere, you will get better.

Never give up, anon.

>>1778711
her face is too high on her head

>>1781167
I like this a lot, nice job anon; though the head does look a bit too big for the body, even if it is an adult character.

>want to draw alternative art
>draw my own characters with a style
>I can't draw shit when it comes to stylization

I can paint, I can observational sketch, I can render people to a decent quality but when it comes to stylized art/characters I don't know where to begin. This is so frustrating, I don't know how to make something look good enough to be a character. I just want to draw anime like this. I just want to be able to draw cartoons.

>>1780881
>>1780887
I'm back with first semi realistic try! What you guys think?

>>1780828
u should work on your facial anatomy more

>>1781216
too much ic.

>>1781216
If you like painting it doesn't mean that you can't draw painted animu, see white datura.
Also this artist paints anime with a classic painting procedure but stylized http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=39278159
If you know how light and color works, pretty much all you have to do is experiment, as for me i used to over render things but on the way
i realized that somehow even thought when i see drawings of artist like white datura and the like even though it looks more complete and skillful
it doesn't really do it for me as porn, i just can't really fap to it, and i always end up preferring more simple rendered works with a bit of blending on the
soft parts like the breasts and ass with not too many reflected lights and complicated lighting. Just experiment.

>>1781245

It's not that man, it's not th epainting. I can't even get a simple linework done. I feel so retarded and frustrating. I mean what the fuck why can't I do this? It's a cartoon and I feel like shit when I draw something out.

>>1781249
Are you saying that you can draw from imagination? maybe it's because you haven't done it enough? or your visual library
is very small, usually artist that use reference as part of their usual procedure are like that, ditch your references and
only use them in studies, do one study from reference and then again from imagination, also get drowned in what you want
to draw, consume as much as possible and observe critically.

>>1781216
well if you do, i hope your eye placement is better than theirs.

>>1781175

I don't think I'm getting it...

I-I'm sorry I've failed you anon...

Goes to show I don't know how to draw kiddies, I guess

>>1781225
that is a fucking nice face!!! Thanks for the tip. I kinda did noticed I had trouble with shading in faces. I like the way you upgrade the realistic form of her!!

Do you have a live stream of some sort or tutorials? I would PayPal a bit for a lesson on shading and facial anatomy?

>>1781221
Another one since I'm inspired. So, what you guys think?

Never done anime / stylised before so I thought I might give it a shot. Normally I do landscapes / realistic paintings, so I don't know what I'm doing. This shit is surprisingly hard.

>>1781256
Don't worry, it looks fine now with the eyes fixed. I don't what that guy is going on about

>>1781216
that's probably because you don't draw enough.
speaking from experience, this is all about trial and error. you find out for yourself how you want to stylize faces, the body and all other things.
so get a sketchbook and draw.
i can guarantee you that you will never get anywhere in terms of cartooning if you don't keep a sketchbook or at least sketchbook-like behavior. these skill don't come from thin air.

on a side note, that image you posted is not that good.

>>1781284

Significantly easier in pen, although 3/4 view is absolutely shitting me.

>>1781325
I don't think that you understand the reason why people started to stylize, its to make something
even more so, a beautiful face even more beautiful an ugly face even more ugly, so we make pretty
things easier to catch the eye and ugly things reduced, so we make the eyes bigger and the nose smaller
or more subtle, same with miku above that drawed the under chin, right now the focal point of your drawing
is this ugly very defined big nose, and you don't have to go all out and place a dot for a nose, see this >>1780789
Of Course it's your choice, after a point it all come down to taste, just remember that a correct drawings is not always
a good drawing.

>>1781335
>a correct drawing
that is nowhere near "correct". not even close.

>>1781335
Hey, what you think of my drawings? Go ahead and critique me.

>>1781270
>>1781221

>>1781339

Correct in reference to what? Correct to a realistic face, or correct to the "average manga" face?

>>1781335

Thanks for the critique. Relative to what I normally paint and draw this is simplistic, but I understand that in relation to what is generally understood as stylised it's a bit more detailed than typical. Couldn't stop myself I suppose. I just don't entirely feel satisfied doing a nose in the shape of an upside down 7. I feel like I can push it a bit more to be a bit truer to life but still wholly within the stylistic minimalism of anime / manga, etc. Using pen admittedly doesn't help because I have a tendency to chicken scratch which ends up with thick dark lines I can't erase, such as the nose, as you pointed out.

>>1781352
both

>>1781382

Well, regardless of how shit they are this is more entertaining than rendering something for 3 hours.

>>1781256
it bothers me how big the sword handle is.

>>1781256
i think the shoulders are the problem. doesn't fit very well with the SD style

do u like my cartoon

>>1781408

Tried colouring one of them. Didn't turn out too bad.

>>1781439
yeah

>>1781157
I've been drawing and inking as a career for about 20 years now. The only figure drawing classes I took were in college, 2 courses. One taught by my Illustration teacher I learned a lot. I loved doing charcoal drawings. The other class was taught by a nigh-senile guy who couldn't even explain how he wanted us to use different colors to render forms.

>>1781256
>Goes to show I don't know how to draw kiddies, I guess

Whoops, my redline might be totally irrelevant then, since I thought you were trying for an SD form.

If you were trying for an SD form, I'd suggest simplifying forms and features. Rendering a character with more realistic features on a kind of deformed body cuts close to the Uncanny Valley and will just look odd.

If you are trying to draw a child's body, the arms are bit too long, hands a bit too big, head too long heightwise, and tiny feet.

>>1781542
By that, I meant just making the face more childish, as that one anon said to do.

Mainly though, I was indeed kinda trying for a SD look.

Thanks for the tips and redlines, I will keep them in mind. I'm just so used to drawing bodies like that, I guess :P

>>1781545
I dunno about childish, but this is what I'd do.

working on this sometimes.

>>1781558
Looks really close to Joel Jurion's art.

>>1781560
not terrible, ut it's not even close.
get a pair of eyes.

>>1781549
That's an easy solution. Go for it.

For the sake of my sanity, did anyone NOT start with loomis?

>>1781585
>did anyone NOT start with loomis?

Don't worry your head over such silliness trifle.

>>1781585
most people here probably didn't start with loomis. but then again, most people probably started with worse.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter. loomis won't e your last book either way.

>>1781585
I've never read a book before in my life, aside middle school where I learned that I don't enjoy reading books.

>>1781585
Most people probably didn't start with Loomis. At least I didn't, only found out he existed a few years later.

>>1781585
I started with Hampton instead. This is probably why I suck

>>1781601
Let's see your most recent drawing.

>>1781585
Artists have their preference. A lot of pros like hogarth. Personally I like vilpuu for anatomy and scott robertson for perspective, and drawing from life for everything else

>>1781605

I bought myself Hogarth's 'Dynamic Anatomy' book years ago when all I knew how to draw was shit-tier animoo; I wanted to break out of that phase. I couldn't even begin to follow his work, since Hogarth sort of assumes you're familiar with concepts like '3d visualisation' and 'decent anatomy'. Kept reading through it though, now I draw less shitty-looking anime. Thanks, Hogarth

What do you guys think of this? I already have my own problems with it but I want to hear what you guys say first.

>>1781661
Creepy face and pose that of a mannequin. Grayness of the skintones don't help either. To quote Quint in Jaws, "She's got dead eyes, a doll's eyes..."

Nice attention to the teeth, but the way you rendered the bottom of the teeth looks like she's got a heck of an overbite.

Proportions look nice, though some weirdness with the gesture of the bent arm.

>>1781661
creepy expression. it's shit

>>1781669
>>1781670
This is based on a girl I know in real life, her eyes and face are like that. Very big eyes, almost unnatural. I agree with the skin tone. The base skin color could have been something more lively and the shading is too gray. I need to improve my shading.

This girl honestly does have an overbite, especially when she smiles.

I think the bent arm looks kinda strange as well, but it looks good for the most part. Bent arms pointing toward the front of the torso are a bit hard to get right.

Any tips on shading?

>>1781677
> Any tips on shading?
don't use black

>>1781677
Learn about soft and hard edges

>>1781677
Well, if that's how the teeth are, so be it. It's just not very flattering, IMO.

Looking at the pic more, maybe another thing that seems odd about the face is that the eyeballs aren't round, more like mushed ovals on the surface of a face. The definition of the jawline itself makes the face look almost like a mask. Very alien-like.

Post original ref or doing this from memory?

>>1781698
I mainly used three refs, give me a minute.

>>1781698

>>1781698
Last one

>>1781677
>This is based on a girl I know in real life, her eyes and face are like that.
you didn't manage to draw it "like that" though. so it's shit.

>>1781509
Thanks for responding. 20 years wow. Everyone says that to get good its life drawings after you get the basics down. Is that true? I only am bothering you because I really don't want to take bad advice from more amateur people.

>>1781730
>I really don't want to take bad advice from more amateur people.
Anon, you should take every piece of advice with a grain of salt regardless of who it's coming from. Granted his work shows otherwise but for all you know he might be outright lying.

Do it in tandem with whatever you're working on right now, build your visual acuity and don't think of earning to draw as something modular and compartmentalized.

New Thread:

>>1781771
>>1781771
>>1781771

>>1781542
horrible redline.
the original looks so much better

>>1781773
Nice try baitchan.

>>1781824
I agree that the original looks much better. GreyDeath's just isn't charming.

This is the progress of a comic page that I'm working on. what ya think?