/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

warming up

As I posted in the end of the thread...

>Besides some differences from the reference, any critique? I'm trying to get a more painterly feel to it, but I don't really know how to do it. It gets all messy if I try to be more expressive with brushstrokes, and when I try to make it look like a smooth transition it gets messy too. lol
Or maybe I'm just overreacting for working too long non stop...

Now I notice I'm goin too small too fast, maybe I should try sticking to work big for as long as I can?

>>1780036
The perspective was intentional, glad to see it worked. It's pretty much done when I posted that, but yeah I tend to be unable to call things 'done' if I see spots that could be polished up more. Thanks for the comment.

I made it much brigher because it looked literally black when I viewed it from different monitors and the histrogram was a little too biased towards the darker values...

Thanks for the feedback, by the way

>>1780158
>those weenus peenus arms

Draw the legs in man, and make the head bigger.

Welp, Im pretty satisfied with these values, but now I have to deal with blending these together.

>>1780318
I'd crop the image so the lightsource on the right is off-screen. It's not a good compositional choice to have a strong secondary focal point that far away from the primary focal point and so close to the edge of the painting.

>>1780321
yeah, I was worried about it drawing too much attention. something like this?

I might need to play with placing something along the wall by the floor to fill the empty space.

am I chinese yet

doop. perspective on the needle is slop, but any other obvious issues, anatomy whatever? might continue to clean up/color.

>>1780348
yes.

wat kind of brush ?

>>1780348
No, your edgework is WAY too sloppy to be chinese. Plus you hid all the hands and feet and the face. Asians rise to the challenge, they don't shy away from it.

To the anons who keep saying I should go back to drawing, thanks.

>>1780291
Don't be afraid to leave a piece for weeks on end until you know exactly what needs to be done for the next step. Try for your next piece, set a timer for 30 mins. You are only allowed to work on the piece for 30 mins a week / day (depends on how extreme you want it). You are allowed to look at the image as much as you want and plan ahead (do complimentary studies etc) but you are not allowed to work on it outside the designated time.

Try it out you'll find that things can be 'done' very quickly in terms of work effort if you do not waste any time. Of course the piece immediately goes into much longer work cycles, but if it's personal work then it shouldn't mean too much how long something took, does it?

>>1780355
That's a very casual way to hold a gun, does it weigh nothing? She's posed like she's holding a bag

>>1780367
just passing by and your post caught my eye.
that's a really good idea anon. also sets up potential for multiple paintings/things to do vs 1 painting at a time.

nice painting by the way, looking good so far.

>>1780367
Don't get too caught up in Mullins scribbles. it just adds visual noise which is fooling you into thinking it is better than it is. The other two images you posted are better in this regard--they have more clear shapes from the thumbnail.

I think though that maybe spending a little while painting without any texture brushes or small scribbles would help you a lot in clarifying your shapes and design.

>>1780372
From thumbnail I thought this image was something more like this: http://www.artrenewal.org/artwork/210/210/9653/repose-large.jpg

You have a very nice abstract read, but when you try to look at what it actually is it should be more clear. Maybe study some Andrew Wyeth? He's a master of abstract compositions working within a realist style.

>>1780374
It is a good idea to work on more than one thing at a time. It frees you up from the mindset that what your doing has to be your next masterpiece (!!!)

>>1780378
Yeah true. I started painting using watercolors and I feel that it has helped my ideas. Maybe it's time to bring out the basic.abr pack that Min Yum made eons ago and give it a swing. I'll look into it. Thanks anon

>>1780382
Yeah that was actually something I was going for, I just need to clarify the torso and indicate the head rest clearly. (maybe with some actual cast shadow, hmmm)

Thanks for the recommendation, I haven't done a master copy for a long while. Really adore his snow landscapes.
I just remembered this piece. Its done with the hard round (with a small bit of texture in some parts) though it still has a lot of scribbly strokes it is still recognizable as a car (some kids recognized the car and I believe in them.)

Hey looking for some honest critique, sorry for the shitty picture. This is not finished btw.

Hi guys

the time limit for deleting posts should be longer on slower boards like this.

>>1780431
I recently saw some dude in TV actually constructing this kind of thing. Not as fancy though.

Thanks to the anon who said the pose was unbalanced, also changed her right leg.
By the way, how does one go about drawing details?

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm trying to get more value studies done, but i'm not sure how much progress i'm making. Any tips, /ic/?

>>1780504
I wouldn't do black dots for the nipples, and the dark grey thick line doesn't quite work with the crotch. Apart from that pretty good work man.

self portrait from liffe

>>1780504
just continue doing more mang. Pay attention to the location where the planes of light and shadows meet

>>1780521
Like the composition, it feels sort of comedic. Not sure about the theme though, it's been done a million times.

>>1780529
n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-noooooice

>>1780562
thx! heres another sjetch

>>1780678

this is really nice. personally would make the background a cooler hue so the whole bot-gundam-thing pops out a little more

>>1780534
it is meant to be kind of comedic. I think what I'd change is that I put a grey figure on the border dividing the two armies, but the border itself can be a character with being made into a living one.

the theme is that one side praises the sun and one praises the night time, and once a day both are wrong [ or losing the battle]

>>1780688
will do thx ! im thinking i could do an epic battle, but i would probably fail terribly. I guess thats why i have to do it :p

>>1780504
Don't over-represent the secondary fill lights in the shadows. You're making them too light and this ruins the overall read of the forms. If anything, you should aim to under-emphasize those secondary lights so that you don't ruin the shadow mass.

The values used in the light should be clearly distinct from all the values in the shadow. Meaning the darkest value in the light region should still be considerably lighter than the lightest value in the dark region.

>>1780401
This is your best work IMHO. The cut off head is weird though.

Left this one rest for a while. Working on refining the pterosaur at the moment.

>>1780367

ha! i know which ref image you used. great movie :)

love your work btw.

>>1780767
I like the way you did the landscape. What brush did you use for that little river btw? Looks very nice. Like real life brush work.

>>1780775
Thanks! I think I mainly used Jaime's brushes and one from Levi, though they're all mixed and edited, so I honestly don't know whose are whose.

Updated version, gonna keep going.

>>1780767
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus

>>1780860
Yes, what about it?

>>1780767
Wow... didn't know James Gurney posts here.

some film study

finally got to finish this zorn study. face looks terrible what can you do... gotta let it go eventually.

I tried drawing a figure from memory with no reference. I can't see any major errors but there must be something wrong. I need your crit /ic!

>>1780914

its really good tbh. arms a little too long maybe (or thighs too short rather)

>>1780905
ugly

>>1780905
Nah, keep throwing those sprinkles on that shit. it'll turn to ice cream eventually!! :))))))))) :):):):)


;)

>>1780938

the face or generally? if the latter, why?

>>1780348
no, just shit and lazy

>>1780370
Not him but there are straps, so yea

>>1780116
I know it's shit... can it be made better?

>>1780950

wtf

I downloaded the Rapoza Gumroad tutorial. Wondering how I can make this more of my own thing, because it's a fucking fast way to work and maybe I can finally do that cyberpunk comic I've had planned for years this way without it taking months to draw.

Fixed up this piece from about 6 months ago.

>>1781043
man, red shadows on anything but skin look like ass and screams "lazy".

>>1780994
Fewer lines and add values instead. Its an ok start. Erase the chicken scratch.

>>1781049
I was just following the method from the tutorial, use one colour set to multiply - in this case a desaturated pink.

Like I said, I feel this may be useful to me because I can crank out nice-enough looking work really quickly, but I do need to figure out how to make it my own thing and not me copying Dave Rapoza's thing.

>>1781083
did you buy it or is there a dl link out there now?

>>1781096
Bought it. It's $5 for over five hours of tutorials, Dave's brushes and his raw PSDs to examine.

>>1781104

mind sharing the brushes?

>>1780343
You're posting a lot of WIPs without much noticeable change in each.

doodling WIP

>>1781117

Learn anatomy and values ffs.

>>1781121
Anatomy and values actually seem decent, granted there's work to improve on obviously.
>>1781117
Gradually get rid of your black lines, and work on your facial structure more. The body seems decent, but the face is really off, even if it's intentionally stylized.

>>1781108
I haven't even installed them myself yet, but sure.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wr7eyydv64nubn7/DavesBrushes.abr

>>1781129
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/wr7eyydv64nubn7/DavesBrushes.abr

thanks anon

>>1781117
Anon, there is a difference between doodling, and just shitty drawing

>>1781121
>>1781127
Will work on it, thanks
>>1781138
Is there???

>>1781152

Don't listen to this guy. >>1781121 He's just being a fucking moron.

any1 help me 2draw a handsome spengbab
-goyquentin

Can I have crit pls, gonna color

Wouldn't mind a second opinion or two on this before I continue

>>1781212
I like the feel of how gloomy and dark it is already though.

>>1781138
>Only constructive criticism will be accepted. Rude or offensive comments will result in a ban.

also implying you could do it better.
as a matter of fact, the people talking shit are usually people who are worse

>>1781220
Tits too big, legs too fat. >>1781197
first, how do I draw eyes and nose.

>>1781212
Very muddy. Why dont you start with proper linework and then establish lightning scenario etc.?

>>1781233
>edgy 13 yo skyrim fag
>drawing properly

>>1781220
Pantsu inssuficiently stripey.

Other than that, looking good. Maybe extend the canvas and get her hands in there.

Do you like my Hitlers?

been workin' hard on this one

>>1781267
nice filter :^)

>>1780771
Hehe yeah that movie has some amazing matte paintings, I'm still trying to figure out perspective so it helps to have something to look at.

Glad to hear :)

>>1780760
It's been on it's way for well over three months now, so I kinda expect it to. I don't know if I'll include the head for the final, but right now I like the idea that you don't realize right away that it's a man untill you see the leather shoe highlight and it's like "oh, I see!"

>>1780876
Lol I wish I were that good.
I just really like dinosaurs.

>>1781046
The color dodge thing is too much.
Please use them sparingly.If you want lighter values, paint using lighter tones. I've seen the previous one before, but there's barely any improvement.

>>1781406
nice.
tumblr?

>>1781406
sick

>>1781411
fuck off.

>>1781416
What's wrong with you?

>>1781421
different anon but i am laughing while eatin these tacos man just imagining me telling an artist at a workshop to fuck off when they ask me questions god damn thats makin me laugh so much.

>>1781423
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA ahhhh, that's a funny thought anon LMFAO

Sculpture study

>>1781427
wizard. I like you, tell me your story

>>1781427


Very nice, is this from a photo ref or painted from life? (if photo would you mind sharing it?)

>>1781046
Looks nice, but you might want to work into the eye a bit more. It's looking a little bit stuck on. Perhaps some shadows to make it look more like it's inside of the skull would help.

Colouring practice.

Portrait practice

>>1781427
Flip the canvas, the features are asymmetric.
Use liquify or the puppet warp to fix them.
Anyway, good colors and values.

>>1781427
Looks chinese, good work on those color accents.

>>1781485

Humans aren't symmetric and art don't need to be symmetric to look good.

God, I hate those baseless critiques people give here in /ic/.

>>1781280
In my defense; it's something like 10 filters.

>>1781492
>>1781427
Is there a tutorial or guide of some sort that explains how to use colour accents properly? Preferably with brushwork as well.

>>1781517
>Baseless
The piece doesn't feel right because the features on the right are slightly too low.
It's a common mistake to unconsciously push features and shapes in a wrong direction, but these errors pop out when you flip the canvas.

>>1781517
Not that guy, but the face looks skewed and disproportional. How the fuck is it a baseless critique to point that out, you idiot? If someone can't point out proportional and constructional mistakes then we might as well stop giving critique completely, because it doesn't get any more objective than that.

>>1781470
That bounced light looks very wrong. Can you post the ref? I really don't understand how this could possibly be right.

>>1781517
Its muh style
Some of the assymetry here looks fine but the mouth looks like a mistake

Another value study. I think this looks better but i can't shake off the fear that I might just be blindly copying...

>>1781608
Are you translating what you see into how various parts of the body should work?

Are you constructing the figure from basic shapes in perspective?

Are you understanding how parts of the figure responds to the current lighting condition and why?

If you are not doing any one of the above then you are not learning from the exercise.

>>1781485
>>1781544
>>1781546
>looks for the smallest detail to point out
>being jelly
>theres no way this is perfect

>>1781603
Torso is too short and the legs are far too long.

>>1781621
>smallest detail
>completely derpy looking fucked up facial proportions

Alright then. Maybe one day when you aren't a shit tier beginner anymore, you won't be starstruck by okayish painting skills. also, this whole board is to give critique, so even if it's just a small detail (which it is not), why the fuck shouldn't it be pointed out?

morning sketch

>>1781666
it's got the gabe-y feel to it

>>1781676
y-you to !

>>1781544
>the features on the right are slightly too low.
>>1781664
its a small fucking detail get over it

This is a request. Please draw me a man hanging above a modern city, one hand on the beam or the crane boom and the second hand holding some random food or drink that that man consumes.

>>1781695

>>1781697
Whats wrong?

>>1781544
>>1781546
>>1781551

It's nitpicking, something that happens too often in this board. I just got angry because all the time there is people here in /ic/ pointing out really small details that won't help the artist to get any better.

>>1781699
>3. Requests for free work of any sort are forbidden.

>>1781708
A disproportional face in a study where the head makes up almost 50% of the entire painting is not a small detail. Why the fuck do you take this so personal anyway? It's not an insult or anything, it's simply pointing out what is wrong with the image so he (you?) can fix it and remember not to make the same mistake in the future. Forgetting to flip the canvas and ending up with off-looking facial features happens to be an extremely common mistake.

>>1781708
hes left the left side of the face does have a slight slant

>>1781722
hes right* whoops
what the fuck is wrong with me today

slowly but surely derpderp mc stronkman comes ever so closer to being finished

gotta change the shield
warp the backround


painting so hard mang bbbbbbut its sooo much prettier than just super clean render with texture passes

First digital portrait study in aaaaaaages

>>1781666
heres another one

>>1781746
this one's great! did you paint over a photo?

Oh god wtf am I doing 6_9

First digital portrait study in aaaaages

I havnt posted in a long time but heres something i started just now in response to the female Thor. I sorta hate the design and the general idea so thought id do what i like.

And yes a P90 and a ding dong hammer. Because they gave thor tits why cant i give thor a gun? I might theme it somehow.

>>1780435
Very nice! what medium?

>>1781802
You sound like a guy who has never once read a Thor comic.

It looks airbrushy right now but I'll add texture to it soon. Either way, this thing hurts.

>>1781802
Protip: Female Thor isn't Thor, just somebody who holds the hammer (thus power) of Thor.

Christ, pick up comics some day.

How long until I'm decent?

>>1781875
Probably a few years.

>>1781864
Actually Im a big thor fan, but i prefer him as a male, which is why im making this a tad ridiculous.
>>1781874
Clearly someone hasnt been reading comic news. Apparently new female Thor IS Thor. I dont know what the fuck they mean by that as Thor is a name not a job description.

>>1781888
>I'm a big Thor fan

Then you know that, throughout his comic run, he's been temporarily replaced several times. Are you honestly so dense that you think they're going to make fem-thor permanent?

>>1781891
Im aware of that, and of course i doubt the new thor will be permenant, its just a temporary marketing ploy to get more women into comics. Which is why i was inspired to do this, im designing how I'd have liked to have seen a female Thor and yes im aware this entirely subjective but I wanted to come at it from a different angle

>>1781894
holy shit omocha is back. Havnt seen you in forever
why aren't you in the ic skype chat anymore?

>>1781748
thx ! nah its painted over an old painting that i streched/moved around erased etc

>>1781733
noice man

>>1781754
be careful with that soft brush /smudge tool

>>1781759
not bad right eye looks a bit wonky

>>1781868
looking good
nooother one

>>1781406
>>1781666
Beautiful

>>1781902
thanks yea, I fixed the eyes but posted the wrong one

>>1781898
Yeah well.. I needed a break? Been busy with work and stuff, not been finishing much personal work in a while.

>>1781902
Lovely use of texture brushes and a minimal palette. Whats your time on this?

followed videos on the sticky, having some problems with the female figure, can someone critique/redline, looks odd to me

>>1781733
that shield is fucking with my head man, far out G.

>>1781868

nice, you obv got some skills.

but wary of overworking/overrendering it though. brush economy is incredibly important if you aim to be REALLY good and not just good. also you can accentuate some things more decisively than they are in your reference. you seem a bit scared to throw in your own artistic judgement and seem a bit to reliant on replicating the reference.

>>1781912
thanks mang ;3 thats 50 min

>>1781926
I'm doing this just to hyper-render for practice. I figure I need to be able to do both. I originally intended to do something like Algen's flatbrush studies, but decided to say fuck it and go longer with this.

>>1781898
THERE IS A /ic/ SKYPE CHAT?!

>>1781936
Yeah I used to hangout in there all the time. Im guessing from anons reminder of my absence that its still around. i should hop in.

>>1781942
ic skype gorup + google hangout is bettar

>>1781733

beautiful. hope you aren't done tho?

>>1781666

needs less midtones and cold hues. also there is no perspective in the front tower. try allowing the viewer to look under the top (accurately describing its height in relation to the viewers eyeline). think of a glass cylinder that you hold infront of your face. you can see the cylinders bottom from the top, and the cylinders top from underneath.

>>1781427

biuriful. i would throw a sharpen filter on the face to make it pop tho

>>1780905

das it mane. face looks alien though.

>>1780401

fucking killer. love the fact that you go "fuck levels i don't play by anyones rules, not even my own".

>>1781942
How does one join the clan? What is the ritual?

>>1781946
Tell me more about it

>>1781918

pls halp I tried to fix it.

>>1781948
Gimme your skype and I'll add you i guess?

Added a darker value. Haven't given it a background yet because for some reason the dark tones were interfering with the values on the figure. I still need to get used to photoshop I guess.

Am I rendering too much? Am I rendering badly? Am I doing okay?

>>1781958

paint the background first so you can compare values more accurately.

any use?

first time triying a portait with watercolors, using a photo as reference.

how did i do?

>>1781963
Okay.

>>1781958
you're focusing too much on the small things. it's a natural temptation because you think that the more subtle things you're seeing, the more realistic your end product will end up being. the thing is, our brains care far more about the overall basics being right than they care about details. you get your foundation right, and you can build on it. without that, anything you build on top of it crumbles.

with that in mind, try squinting (squinting, not looking with your eyes out of focus) at your reference and seperating everything into as few values as possible. simplify and get those as accurate as you can before you worry about less impactful details like the underside of a pectoral or other tiny skin creases.

>>1781965
Facial proportion is good. Observation isn't all that bad. The painting looks pretty muddy though and you need to draw with a lot more stucture, do more studies broh

>>1781964
The eyes aren't bad. Try making the nose a single coherent shape

>>1781953
Draw A LOT more.
Stop with the animu shit or you'll never improve.
Study proportions, study lines, study anatomy, study everything.
Of all the terrible things, what bothers me most is the imbalance. One leg is moved outside a bit , yet the hip is at the same height on both sides.

>>1781958
>Helmut Strebl

Neat, I used to go to the same gym as him.

>>1781997
Hahahaha oh wow. Before you try to do another redline, please make sure you do everything you just said to that guy because you two are almost at the exact same skill level when it comes to drawing and anatomy.

>>1781997
Thanks a thousand, I started out at a korra fanart, but than I wanted to incorporate what I learned from todays vids. Trust me I've been working hard to drop the animu shit

>>1781197
Explain to me the narrative of this Anon... i'm really curious.

>>1782001
Well, at least I tried to help, while everyone else is ignoring them. I guess I did more than you did.

>>
smoke break

>>1781942
love it

are you gona fix the left hand ? might be to far back.?

Work in progress. Posted on old thread but this new one was made

>>1782049
Nice to see some other combat stuff on here, you should ref real field gear. some of the proto tech looks super scifi.
I'll fix the proportions as i go. generally i work top to bottom and hack away at stuff. face at the mo

>>1781957
Not that guy but I'm always open to make more friends, especially fellow drawbros and d/ic/ks. My id is cabulb, I'm a complete scrub but I've been told I'm a nice enough guy to chat to.

>>1782068
very cool, nice and painterly, yip i gotta work out the general value scheme first then ill do like you

>>1781957
Oh wow, didn't know you visited /ic/. Just to say I'm a great fan of your APB concept art.

>>1782096
I used to visit all the time... back when i worked on apb i'd post work in progress concepts : P

>>1782101
Do people still message you about doing commissions for their clans (like that WASP one)?

Can someone explain how the pros use smudge tool? I wasn't even aware this was a thing until today. Like, is it for blending or purely aesthetic/painterly effects?

>>1782114
all the time but i decline. I said the one for wasp would be my last thing in apb style and i stand by that.
if i wanted to keep doing that stuff id still be at reloaded i guess

>>1782119
Tbh the whole game's going down the drain. Only false promises is what we get from the new dev team.

>>1782116

however the fuck they want. just try it out and see how it feels. use different brush tips and different strenght settings, also different brush settings.

once you get the hang of it you might start creating your own custom brushes to use for the smudge tool alone.

color correction eugh

trying out some shit

New version. I realized how fucking retarded I was being with the facial proportions so I squared those away and gave her face more form. I need more form and value on her collar pieces and the lettering is giving me trouble. I've made several attempts to texture them and make them look more galvanized, but so far the end results looked awful. Any insight is appreciated.

Also, which do you guys prefer? Off, Lo, Med or High?

Also, all I see is shrek.

>>1782149

makes very little difference, but i would keep it subtle (so low)

>>1782149
off appears to still be producing a good deal of light.

>>1782137
niceu one.

looks a bit warm overall on my monitor

any tips on drawing from life?

>>1782156

I believe he may be talking about the color dodge layer.

>>1782137

Her right hand, is it from a photo?

Working on this

Really need help with the background. I have no idea what to do with it or with backgrounds in general

>>1782149
>>1782145

Anon I saw your previous version of this painting and to be honest, they were pretty shitty. However, no one improves as quickly as you did from this version to last, which means you were always capable of producing this, so why didn't you just do this the first time? Stop being a lazy faggot and square away your big problems early so you don't have to use raw talent to play catch-up.

>>1782145
I'm sorry to say this, but the face is still very flat. It's reminiscent of a dinner plate, except for the nose and lips. Don't neglect the form of the overall head, not just the 'features'. Remember that overall you're dealing with an egg shape. Paint an egg next to your head and light it the same way if it helps you any. Pic related.

The eyes also still look too high on the head. Again, draw the overall head first, then crop once you're done painting. You may even find to like the version with the top of the head better.

why are there always idiots on /ic/ giving shit advice?

>>1782165
doesn't it annoy you that that image isn't painted very well?

>>1782145
>>1782165
Also, for a face that's facing forward and level with the viewer: the top of the ear generally lines up with the browline (I generally take the low medial point). The bottom of the ear lines up with the bottom of the nose. Your ear is ending halfway up the nose. The eyes, eyebrows and ears have to all be lowered to different extents.

If it helps any, when you draw the whole head, draw the skull as well on it's own layer. Do the eye sockets, nasal opening, cheekbones, etc line up correctly, or are they distorted?

>>1782173
Gregpro's paintover? It's fine for what it is: a paintover. Maybe I should have attached the image that includes the original.

>>1782176
that does make it a little more poignant lol

>>1782004
i don’t know why you would stop drawing animu shit if you like drawing anime keep studying and apply what your learning to your anime drawings and try to understand anime logic?? how whack the proportions can get and see when it’s looks intentional and good or when the artist doesn’t know what their doing CARTOONS!

>>1782128
No I just mean like, what use do they have for it? Like, is there a good video of someone using it? I just wanna see what the hell they're using it for that the brush can't provide.

>>1782209
I don't hate it or want to stop it completely, but this site drills it in my head to branch away and learn realism. But I want to eventually be good enough to seamlessly change style. Thanks so much on the fix, lol @ the melting comment

>>1782214
Speaking from experience (or at least, a friend's) you should try to work on both simultaneously, but realism is very important. Without it, all you will ever be doing is copying others and not completely understanding what you're drawing. You'll understand that this anime arm looks like this other dude's anime arm, or maybe a combination of the two, but you won't know how any of it works.

>>1782171

Idk man. I don't even know why I keep coming here. I just read through this and a couple of other threads and there are so many retards here I can feel my IQ dropping. I'm not the greatest at drawing, but how am I supposed to get good if those that supposedly know more than me are going to clambor up on their soapboxes and spew a bunch of bullshit at me?

>>1782221

It keeps your ego in check for one, but it does reach a point where you should grow out of this place.

wippy pippy.

BTW. I'm fucking hooked on Peppa Pig. I LOVE how little George snorts.

>>1782223

Yeah, I'm not the guy you're quoting, but I'm new here and already learnt how to filter the scum, but it's still sad sometimes to see people giving shit critiques or nitpicking things that dons't matter.

>>1782256
nitpickas are what /ic/ is for. you can see big things by yourself, you need someone else, someone picky to point out little things. /ic/ is perfect for that.

>>1782216
noted, *from a friend* it seems you have good understanding of both.

>>1782253
Fix her boobs man. That's some crazy perky tits. Nipples aren't that high up and don't point up in that direction.

But the rest looks really great.

>>1782264
some nipples are. have a look at some porn.

>>1782268
So this chick he's doing got breast implants. Good to know. Nice backstory if that's the case, anon.

>>1782270

Please stop being retarded.

>>1782253

no idea what peppa pig is but that looks fucking awesome. kinda like if kerrigan was a baneling.

>>1782268
Eh grill here and those make it look like she's arching her back or leaning back slightly. >>1782264 isn't entirely wrong, but it doesn't ruin the image.

Thanks to the last anon who gave me advice in the past thread, I replied but it was already autosaging.

I fixed the absence of drop shadows and added some form ones.

Changed the hue of the hair and added more cranial space.

Tried to fix several other minor things (eyes alignment and perspective, warmer tones, upper breast area, attire).

Maybe I will be able to finish it and be satisfied with it after all

>>1782285
>and those make it look like she's arching her back or leaning back slightly.
No it doesn't, look at the rest of the body.

The breasts are either floating or they're off perspective. It doesn't completely ruin the image, but it's an obvious damn flaw and can easily be fixed.

Thanks to the last anon who gave me advice in the past thread, I replied but it was already autosaging.

I fixed the absence of drop shadows and added some form ones.

Changed the hue of the hair and added more cranial space.

Tried to fix several other minor things (eyes alignment and perspective, warmer tones, upper breast area, attire).

Thanks to the last anon who gave me advice in the past thread, I replied but it was already autosaging.

I fixed the absence of drop shadows and added some form ones.

Changed the hue of the hair and added more cranial space.

Tried to fix several other minor things (eyes alignment and perspective, warmer tones, upper breast area, attire).

>>1781117
Don't listen to them anon, that bod is hawt as fuck. The facial structure could use a little work though

what do you guys think? does the depth read?

>>1782308
Looks a lot better than the last time, especially the face. The cast shadow of the neck still looks a little off to me. Considering how the tip and nostrils of the nose are lit, I feel that the side of the neck should be catching more light. The shadow also seemed too long as well. I tried to account for both of these, but it's hard to map out without meticulous construction or a reference of sorts.

The hair feels a little funny and stiff, especially the side on our right. Feels like anime spikes/locks of hair. The collarbone could use some development. The clothing is also underwhelming, and the weird white highlights make it looks like you were trying to render it as a crystal instead of fabric.

For all of your future portraits, be sure to experiment with thumbnails before committing so that you can have the best composition, best pose, best expression, best color palette, etc. Try to incorporate more character and intent in your portraits, especially the eyes. Another anon mentioned needing to have some direction/intent in the eyes, and I agree completely.

>>1782356
The depth reads, but I feel the color shifts to green too quickly. Reads more like stripes than being submerged. I'd try to make it more gradual, and increase the effect for the deepest parts. Consult some references (ideally from life) to get a feel for it, because I could be mistaken.

The water ripples are a little unconvincing. The right most tentacle ripples do have a sense of motion, but I think the others could use that as well.

>>1782365
tl;dr its ugly

>>1782308

you are getting better m8, also i honestly can't tell if this is digital or traditional. and maybe you should start giving the girls you paint some expression? they always just stare into the void like they were on a huge trip or something.

>>1782356

fawkin joocy

>>1782308
>>1782356
>>1782253
>>1782162
>>1782145

All shit.

>>1782308
Hard edges, man. Where are the hard edges?

>>1782384
sos you

>>1782137
Wow you did ABP concept art? Oddly, I did a concept art workshop a few years back with one of the artists (or art director) from there, too. In Dundee. Can't for the life of me remember his name.

>>1781946
I wanna second getting into this but don't wanna post my work skype here...

Doodles. I need formal training, and better ideas, and patience. Talent wouldn't hurt either.

tried to use only one brush.

>>1782371

thanks for the feedback man! will try that out!

>>1781958
Study someone who isn't vascular you stupid fucking beginner

>>1782214
>seamlessly change style
You should definitely learn the fundamentals, and grinding them a lot for a beginner might give you a jumpstart
but don't fall to the delusion that once you are decent or even good at drawing fundamentally correct you will suddenly
be able to see a style and inherit it right away, stylizations is a very vast subject that needs a lot of separate training
and hours in it as well.

>>1782479
One textured brush, and that's why it looks retarded

>>1782479
That could've worked with the right brush but you chose one of the worst there are for this job. It would need to be textured in a way that doesn't procude an obvious repeating pattern and it would need to be hard edged and somewhat consistent in it's silhouette like a simple round or square brush

Trying to draw a four armed girl... Please ignore the background it's something old that traced through

>>1782161
yep i just dropped in a photo of a p90 and the hand for scale and weighting.
>>1782409
Jimmy o ready, lead character artist.. that man had no idea what he was talking about.

>>1782574
Lol Doesn't surprise me but welllll I went because there aren't very many places to meet other concept artists in the UK but yeah. Not the best but it gave me a few days off work to just paint and that was alright.

Color is so difficult...and i think im colorblind...

On the other hand. Can you guys remind me why was it important to paint still life?

i'm not very good at painting from imagination urgh

idk how people develop styles. i just feel like i'm kinda floating in a limbo of being able to replicate and study to a high degree but not able to apply it in my work. i'm just kind of unhappy and my imagination seems dulled.

What do you think /ic/ ?
Not done with them but I kinda want to go and do something else... I think some colors are wrong

>>1782698
don't mind the crappy M on the picture, it's not a signature... Did this while listening to music, forgot to remove it before posting...

>>1782645
That's not that bad, although the top of her head is looking a little flat right now, try extending it more.

expirmenting i have no idea what im doing xD

Some trees

>>1782479
Everything in moderation, anon. Same texture gets monotonous, spice things up. You only need one or two brushes to go very far. (one brush for main and then something for spice)

More studies. I spent much longer here this time.

>>1782479
Read:
>>1782948
This. There's a lot you can do with one brush, but it involves using it creatively. One of the things digital painters really miss out on is learning the principles of actually painting. Stroke and under paintings can add a lot of really pleasing texture with just the same brush. Good brush strokes tend to be one of the must under utilized techniques in amateur digital paintings. I suggest experimenting with the direction and forcefulness of your strokes instead of just sort of blobbing everything in.

>>1782948
nice little red accent
>>1782837
not bad !

>>1783037
>>1783038
Can't see shit. Well, not literally but it's still way too dark. You might have problem with your monitor calibration.

>>1782365
Thanks a lot, I will fix the shadow, I'm already adding more light and a hint of the breasts. I will also try to add more expression. Fwiw I was very contrived by the underpainting, it always showed when I was correcting stuff so I had to find work around and make compromises hence the stiff hair and other areas that look off..

>>1782374
It is a pastel painting on top of a charcoal underpainting which I messed up big time. Thanks for the input, I will try doing something about the expression.

>>1782385
I blame the photo and to a less extent the brand of pastels.

Thanks again everyone, I promise next time is going to be the last one.

Critics please

>>1783055
Nice, adjust the levels/curves in Photoshop to sharpen everything up.

I really like how this came out.

>>1783130

would bitchslap the shit out of you irl. fucking lowlife degenerate.

>>1783130
This is just a gory photo with some standard Photoshop filters. You're no artist.

Sometimes I draw on index cards and pretend I don't have 15 sketch books full of horrible drawings.

Some mushroom dude

I think I need help... The background is all fucked up.

>>1783209
more than the background is fucked up...
arm is awkwardly long, hand is too large, head too small, i don't understand what the fuck her skirt is doing, where are the wrinkles? There needs to be a water line on her legs, go stick your fingers in a glass of water and look at how the water comes up to it, creates a little ridge almost. The foreshortening of the background makes no sense, the things close up are to small. What the fuck are those green round things?

>>1781733
update on mc buff tits man
dude is a super learning experience
sorry for the image size but this is what I would like it to be viewed at

>>1781947
nah still not close to being done this guy needs alot alot alot alot alot of work still
>>1781924
should be a bit less trippy thanks though haha
>>1781902
work that sketch more gaben

>>1781733
update on mc buff tits man
dude is a super learning experience
sorry for the image size but this is what I would like it to be viewed at

>>1781947
nah still not close to being done this guy needs alot alot alot alot alot of work still
>>1781924
should be a bit less trippy thanks though haha
>>1781902
work that sketch more gaben

>>1783225
nice gladiator

>>1783149
Why so serious?

:^)

hi im new and most of the art in this thread is amazing. seriously. ;__;
n i dont wanna post mine because everyone elses is better. :^(

>>1783244
Just post it. Worst case - you'll be torn apart. But isn't that why you are here?

To learn. and stuff.

>>1783244
You're on an anonymous image board posting anonymously. The very worst that will happen is someone will tell you to go away.

Finished up the shroom dude!

>>1783244

we've all been there anon. first step is to overcome the fear of getting feedback.

>>1783244
should be a beginner general if you feel like that

>>1783225

Your value range looks a little bit compressed to me. The composition is also fairly boring. Consider a different perspective on the next piece (above / below the figure, etc.). Alternatively, use a more interesting angle to create some diagonals and push to depth in the image. Otherwise, good work.

WIP... First color study since my try at the tangerine still life(I posted here some time ago, was a disaster, then I made it only in grayscale)

I know, it's pretty bad. :(

>>1783230
nice gestures. really good story to this one.

>>1783271
women couldn't attend gladatorial matches

>>1783294
>women couldn't attend gladatorial matches

Yes they could.

>>1783294
Vestal Virgins

please can someone tell me or draw over this how can I fix this ?
things on the table is not well mirrored, and I intend to put up many more things.
I want to fix it now before it's too late

>>1783308
sorry !

>>1783301
nope, misinterpretation of the source. they were allowed to attend chariot races, plays etc. but people erroneously lumped gladiatorial matches in there not considering that it was a funerary right until like 50 A.D. and only men were allowed. perhaps later it got more lax as with a lot of things in emperon rome, but officially, nah. i doubt patrian wives went.

>>1783308
It's not that hard to do manually, but with the tools we have today I suggest you use 3D and just layout how you want it to look like. Also, you could do the setup in your house and take a photo for reference.

>>1782292

Yeah, the titties are fucked. Way to high up and the perspective is off. Unless her nipples are on the top of her breast instead of where they should be, it's wrong.

>>1783312
empire*

>>1783317
also rite*...no more typing before coffeee

>>1783310
Fundies, nerd. Your perspective was fucked.

>>1783324
>>1783310
forgot image

>>1783325
>>1783324
>>1783310
>>1783308
shit just realized how confusing that shit is.

Anway, basic 2 point perspective and you're table is lacking it. It's in one point perspective which just looks wonky.

Google it, but heres the TL;DR

>Draw a line (This is your horizon
>Mark 2 vanishing points along it
>make sure everything is in perspective with these by contiuing the line to the VP
Quad Erat Demonstrandum
now go out there and get gud, fag,

>>1783078
I don't have Photoshop or something like that.....:(

>>1783325
your horizon doesn't have to be flat. it's only flat when it's flat.

>>1783284

Face is flat.

>>1780977
it would still have some weight to it

how do i into hatching

>>1783312
Women were allowed to attend gladiator matches but only allowed to sit in a segregated section.

I recall in ancient Greece women being strictly prohibited from viewing the Olympics.

>>1783444
It was probably because of the nudity. Both greece and rome were hella more prudish and ashamed of nudity than is popularly believed.

>>1780116
currently making dahlias for a bigger project. worrying over foliage and stem though, as dahlia have sort of no flow to the leaves/stem patterns. might have to stylize the stuff to make it how I want.

any ideas about shading improvements most welcome

>>1783402
try to keep all the hatching a consistent direction on lines- either following contours to give dimension, or following one or two angles that are the same throughout, to imply direction of light falling on the form

not technically necessary but usually looks more better, more intentional that way.

>>1783448
By contemporary comparison, hell no. Prostitution was a legal business, and you should have yourself a chuckle and google "phallic roman chimes". The body was not as shameful as it would be in medieval Europe or modern western society.

Women had little legal rights but Roman women had a certain degree of personal freedom above Greek women. A lot of that had was simple patriarchy and control. Nothing to do with the Roman/Greek aversion to nudity.

>>1783453
cont.

Which is not say that the Roman all walked around naked. Public nudity was still offensive aside from being in a public bath. The Greeks were probably more liberal with nudity. (depictions of Gods, see Greek statues etc.).

>>1783453
>>1783455

I too have read the wiki article

>>1783457
Yes but in addendum to that I've listened to every episode of Mike Duncan's history of Rome Podcast.

needs some value massing and a fix with the legs/knee joints

>>1783325
>>1783327
The horizon does not need to be a straight line, nor does it need to be horizontal.

>>1783471
>>1783330

What? When people talk about the horizon line in art, they don't mean the actual horizon you see in a scene with hills and shit overlapping it, but the theoretical horizon line / eyelevel as if you were fucking Cyclops from the X-men and you'd cut a perfect straight line with your eyes, looking straight ahead. If the horizon line is tilted, the entire image becomes tilted and not just one object.

When a parallel object like a table has vanishing points on different eyelevels, then the perspective is wrong, plain and simple. Please observe life so you can start treating perspective as a tool to help you create correct 3 dimensional space, and not as some annoying rule that you need to somehow find excuses to avoid at all cost.

>>1781411
Thanks, I don't have one sorry.
>>1781415
Thanks!

I tried to be like this >>1781427 guy but it's just too hard for me

>>1783486
ref?

>>1783492
now you can see the level of "fucked up"

>>1783361

I kinda feel the same, but the values are kinda ok, so I don't really know why. lol

>>1783486
>>1783500
goddamnit fundies man,
Construct the form
Shit, yours isn't even facing the same direction as the ref.

Been focusing on hard/soft edges and trying to create contrasts in this one. Could i get critique on that?

>>1783553
>Construct the form
easy to say

>>1783577
True it's not easy but it just appears that you didn't try. Everything is in perspective, even if it isn't a cube with a horizon line with to VP's. In this case, the angle of his hips and shoulders can be drawn out to intersect at two VP's on either sidd wth the horizon line being at his belly button. yours is athis rib cage, and thus, little things add up to big fuckups.

>>1781708
His point was to flip the canvas in order for the artist to see the mistakes they've made with fresh eyes, the face is skewed, it's a valid critique followed by valid advice

What's your problem man?

Gonna start painting soon, anything horribly wrong?

>>1783586
>>1783577
Also quick disclaimer, I don't claim to be a fucking art genius, I've just been drilling fundies every day for at least 3-6 hours for the past 2 weeks, so it's all fresh in my mind.

>>1783591
I like it a lot, but add a ground plane. Thats somthing that was drilled into my head, add a fucking ground plane.

How bad is it so far?

>>1783245
>>1783250
>>1783259
ok
>>1783267
ok.

This is one of my better drawings, most recent thing I've done. I still have a lot to learn, I'm not fully familiar with PS yet either.

Some critique on the level of work I'm currently at would be good to know. (:

i have no formal training, and i know that line in the bridge of the nose really screws it, any more advice? i also have to remake this into a final artwork, any suggestions?

>>1783598
I have a lot of trouble drawing foreground and middle ground objects in environments, I think it's because I've lived in an area where there's nothing but flat boring land for miles

What do?

>>1783649
that should make it easier. firstly make sure your perspective is solid (it is in this case) next theres a few ways to show distance from the camera. (Don;t forget, a pitcture comes from a camera, so think of each drawing is a photo)

Heres some ways

-Details. Close objects are more detailed, farther away are obviously less so
-Size: This one is pretty self explanitory, but to make it fit the proportions are important for the scale to be believable.
- Contrast: farther away objects have lower contrast than the closer ones.

Remember, proportion isn't just the head to body ratio, it's the everything to everything ratio
helpful video: http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/principles-of-design-scale-and-proportion

>>1783480
you can have warped perspective. in which case the horizon line is not flat

>>1783671
And then, by defeniton, the perspective is warped. He clearly was not trying to have warped perspective, he had a simple table in 2 point perspective but it was wrong. and in any case where an attempt at believable perspective is being made, a flat, horizontal horizon is preferable.

>>1783606
Guess it's turning out alright.

>>1783662
The thing i'm most worried about is needlessly complicating the composition of the whole thing, I want it to read very simply and be bright and cheery, sort of a childish vibe, but i need the background to convey that the guy on the ground is gathering gigantic strawberries

just a suggestion

>>1783586
I dont know man, I thought under construct form you were assuming value and brushwork. that was really the point of study. objectively i dont think that slight difference from ref in torso turn that big of a deal but whatever.

>>1783768
I like it man, go on

>>1783770
the thing is, you know how to render a ball, you know how to render a cylinder, you know how to render a rectangle etc. So if you construct the body out of those simple shapes the rendering will come easier.'
Construction is THE most important part of drawing, it makes perspective, rendering, composition, and everything else easier.

Crit please

I feel like the background is really bland and although I had in mind a simple background, I feel this might be too simple. Any suggestions on how to make it less bland while keeping it simple would be greatly apreciated

>>1783566
you did bretty gud bro just keep improving

>>1783819
are you gonna colour it? Coz colour and textured brushes will make it look better, doesn't look bad atm

>>1783819
I don't think you need to make a background, the focus seems to be on the character.
Gave it a try btw, not a critique but this is what I would do if I had to continue the painting.

Imaginative painting I started today. Advice/Critique?

>>1783819

Think about the story behind what is happening in the piece. Theres obviously the character standing arms outstretched facing upwards towards the light. Brainstorm what the light is and where she is. Is she on the run and a helicopter spotted her and she's surrounded, raising her arms in defeat? Is she in some chamber partaking in a secret ritual of her organization?

Run with your imagination, tell your story dude.

>>1783566

The point of interest is unclear for me. Are you trying to highlight the helmet or the gun.

I'd tone one down, or add a third. Odd number of points are better for the composition and are more eye catching.

>>1783037

Was this a study? I like it.

>>1783982
What is YOUR point of interest? haven't you been asked that already? Please take some book in your hands, maybe Color and Light, study perspective, study other artists. Now it's very bad and there's not much to critique. It's very muddy, blurry, monotone and there is no sense of depth.