/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Would you recommend
>"Drawing on the right side of the brain"
or
>"Keys to drawing"

'>Wanted to draw years ago.
>Life got fucked up. Had to spend a year fixing it.
>Ready to take this serious this time.

Should I spend my first few days focussing on drawing lines and circles ? I really want to be able to draw from imagination. And being able to draw decent lines/circles seems like the most important part of drawing to me.

Man, I have no idea how there are so many drawfags on /a/. Trying to watch over 200 anime titles and learning how to draw are so time consuming. At least Ill get to spend more time drawing when Im done with my backlog. From easiest to hardest: the globe, bottle, desk lamp, deodorant, apple and carrot, headphones, and coffee carton. The two hardest things was trying to draw the contour of the headphones and drawing the text on the carton.

>>1775832
keys to drawing, drawing on the right side of the brain relies on tools and is full of pseudoscience

>>1775842
...which you can both skip. I don't know Keys to drawing, but the exercises in Drawing on the Right Side helped me a great deal.

>>1775844
Keys to Drawing pretty much has the same exercises without all the tools.

>>1775848
And those tools are bad?

>>1775850
What do the tools consist of? I read Right Side and I am interested in gaining another perspective in drawing.

step one draw shit
step two repeat

gonna post again here, since i was too late in the other one. been drawing for a couple of weeks now. what do you think?

>>1775852
I did not read one of the books and just want to know whether they are good or not

How's my perspective?

>>1775852

>>1775869
Oh...I didn't even use those things anyway. So if the exercises and concepts are the same, I won't even bother reading Keys to Drawing.

>>1775855
Check your proportions, especially on the second one. Eyes and ears aren't that big.

>>1775871
Yea, just keep going with what works for you.
I tried going through Right Side and it just wasn't working for me, so I switched to Keys to Drawing and enjoyed it.

>>1775839
Good job.

>>1775823
Draw this upside down will help me to "heal" my symbol drawing? It's the funniest exercise I ever did, but the sticky don't mention it besides at picasso painting.

>>1775879
Ops, I mean not this but things upside down

>>1775875
Thank you, anon.

How I break this stupid mentality of using reference is wrong? I love to inspire myself in my favorite artists pieces, but I feel like copying them every time I do it. If I don't use any reference I know it looks like shit.

captcha - foundation ddfieot

>>1775832
Try the beggining of them all and see which you enjoy. As long as you're doing something amd learning, you'll be fine.

Remember, you'll go through a good number of books. One out of many.

>>1775837
Peter Han has a good video on this. I also heard Scott Robertson's How to draw arch and enviro has some great line exercises although I am admittedly torn on whether to buy it or not. I definitely want and will buy it, just not sure if now or later.

>>1775852
Do both. If you have the money to order some "suggested" tools, try it. Can't hurt to do both and take what you need from each.

pixelovely timed exercises again because im a piece of shit with a short attention span

>>1775823
I'm going to buy keys to drawing or right side of the brain tomorrow, and I know these books focus on improving your observance, but I was wondering whether either of them have an introduction to perspective/construction?
>shitty english my bad.

Second drawing of the day. I still have no sense of how long my drawings should be taking, this doesn't seem good enough to merit an hours worth of time, it's not even finished being rendered, but i'm leaving it as is to use as reference for my growth.

Another "draw something upside down" picture

How can I improve my line quality?

>>1775916
and here's the file I meant to attach

>>1775918
Thats pretty good for an upside down study.

To improve your line quality you want to hold the pencil loosely and make confident sweeping strokes Somestimes Standing up makes this easier, Using your shoulder and elbow for the bigger strokes and then for detail work you can go ahead and use your wrist and fingers.

>>1775922
is an hour not too long then? and yeah this was sitting down. What can be used as an art board?

>>1775858
Burtty good :^)

>>1775922
An hours about the max I would do when it comes to any study, personally. Its better to keep them to about 30 minutes to really absorb what you learn and then take a break but sometimes if you're really feeling it, you can go for an hour. I start getting antsy around then too.

In art school, we had big pieces of thing wood with a a clip to hold the paper and we'd prop it up on our laps. They were raggedy and chipped so I'm not sure how much a new one would cost.

Cardboard might be good to use, its lightweight and you can use a thumbtack to keep the paper still.

>>1775879
>>1775880
If you notice that you start symbol drawing ("I am drawing the sole of the shoe, the stem of the carrot, the opening of the bottle, etc") then just stop and draw another part of the drawing

>>1775926
Thanks stud.
So I should really focos on making my horizon line and verticals perfect cuz if I don't everything else will be thrown off

>>1775912
There's basic perspective in Keys to Drawing, chapter 5.

>>1775955
Not sure if being sarcastic or not but yes.

>>1775964

Why would you think I
Being sargasmic?

Okay last upside down study for tonight.
Honestly it feels like cheating if that makes sense. Is that silly? I'm not sure what I gain for just copying another picture line by line, not really feeling out the shape and stuff as much. I guess it's just an exercise in measurement and angles as opposed to actual construction?

Anyway, you guys probably recognize this guy. The cover of my favorite anatomy book.

Hey guys I'm painting a winged snake. Its a yellow base with orange/red flecked scales. Its got green/blue horns and a green eye.

Anyone got recommendations for what color I should make the wings? I was thinking maybe white/silvery. But my sister suggested red flecks on the wings.
The background is silver btw I spray painted the label with metallic.

>>1775979
Oops pic related forgot.

>>1775982
light brown/tan or a blueish tint, blue green but light.
Personally i don't love the horn color, but that's just my opinion.

>>1775973
Yeah all the upside down thing does is get you do draw what you see instead of drawing what you think you see. Since you are able to do that exercise fine I suggest you draw stuff right side up and start learning more complex things.

>>1775986
What would you suggest as my next step of learning? Just right side up still-lifes?

>>1775973
You should really try to see/capture angles on things you recognize right side up now.

>>1775994
so just whatever, everyday objects?
I'm concerned about symbol drawing again once right side up. Any techniques for ignoring subjects as "things" and seeing them as line, form, value, ect.?

>>1776004
Just whenever you look at things imagine constructing them in your mind and thinking about it in 3D. Try doing objects that dont deviate too much from basic forms. It might help you.

For example, onions, apples, lemons are pretty much just squashed and stretched spheres, unless you get a funky one.

>>1776010
Thanks, i appreciate all the advice.

I'll get to that lovely stuff tomorrow and find this (or a similar) thread to see what you guys have to say. Night all, thanks again.

>>1775992
Yes

>>1775984
Yea I am not in love with the horns either. Thinking of taking the color right out of them and making them blac/grey. Thanks for the suggestion.

Id love to get some concrit on >>1775913
Im still working on it.

>>1775984
Hmm... this good you think? Sorry for bad lighting.

>>1775958
Thanks bro

>>1775855

>>1776136
Do you have one for Anime>

>>1776136
Not that anon but nice c/c dude

studying in my backyard

Figured I might as well draw that horse seeing as it was right there. I think I did alright. Trying to work on my lines because I still have a bad habit of drawing over the same line a lot. Still did that a bit on the head and tail but barely at all on the rest. First thing I've done that I'm kind of proud of.

HOLY SHIT
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING DRAWING STRAIGHT LINES WITHOUT A RULER
NOW SOMETHING JUST CLICKED AND I DO IT WITH 90% SUCCESS RATE
HOLY SHIT
I FEEL SO HAPPY
OH MY GOD

>>1776239
WORDS WORDS
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
WORDS WORDS
WORDS WORDS WORDS
WORDS WORDS

>>1776239
Show us your moves!

>5-10 years of doing nothing but long, boring, and frustrating reading and practicing just so I can draw hentai; only for /ic/ to say thats its uninspired and the anatomy is all incorrect.

>>1776239
STRAIGHT LINES FUCK YEAH THROW THAT SHIT UP! YOU DID IT WHOOOOO! LETS ALL DO STRAIGHT LINES.

>>1776268
this place is so lonely at 5:00 am. Im gonna join you anon-kun.

>>1776136
That's some great critiquing.

>>1775855

For you as all the other beginners who have trouble with faces. Your structure of cheek bones and jaw needs a closer look. Don't be afraid to sketch.

>>1775891
from keys to drawing

as soon as i looked at the work and practice going on in this thread i already learned a bit,and now i am going to start practicing drawing from life, rather than just my imagination. also, would anyone mind telling me what's wrong with this door i was trying to construct? i couldn't pinpoint it myself, but i feel like it's very incorrect. in the meantime, im gonna draw this apple i have in my house.

I feel like I'm too retarded to understand perspective

>>1776355
Vertical lines in the door should really be vertical, unless you are using a third vanishing point. Parallel horizontal lines, on the other hand, should not: they should converge towards the vanishing point. This is true for the "hollow" space of the door; as for the actual door, I don't really understand what your thought process was in the first place, it looks like it hasn't been constructed at all.

>>1776389
You are right, thanks for the advice. I really have a lot to learn

Guys, I feel like shit. Happens everytime I make a work I am not contented with. Which is to say all the time. I'm sure you guys feel the same. I need a a little pick-me-up for motivation. Any of you guys know artists with very drastic improvements? I'm talking like stick figure to gotten gud.

Also, I made thing. Help.

>>1776438

Crap dude, why are you worrying about rendering when you can't see basic proportions. Especially with a portrait or when dealing with a likeness, astute observation is key. Get good at seeing those angles and measurements and start learning how to replicate them accurately. Spend more time on the line drawing.

>>1776456
Thanks for the feedback. In my crappy defense, I'm using a 4x3 inch area piece of shit tablet. Getting good lineart is hard on this thing

I'm following Bert Dodson's and reached the point where he talks about gesture drawing. He said to do six, but I went to pixelovely and filled three sheets with 1-minute studies, it's so fun. I don't know if I'm doing well or bad tho.

>>1775918

And you just started? How the fuck do you shade so well? That's pretty amazing.

>>1776474

Lineart isn't shit because you have a small tablet.

It's shit because your knowledge of drawing is shit.

What's a good alternative/replacement absolute beginner book for ''having fun with a pencil''.

I really dislike the whole part about drawing cartoonish faces.

>>1776064
i like it!

>>1776438
you made her asain

>>1776541
Peter Hann dynamic sketching. Any book that teaches viscom really. If you look at schools entertainment design track you would see what the fundamentals they teach. For example: http://fzdschool.com/fzd-courses/one-year-diploma perspective and viscom seem to be the first things you learn. Scott Robertson is a good one. Any other book that teaches freehand sketching is also good.

>>1776541
I liked keys to drawing and gesture drawing for animation I don't think either of these books talks too much about form or perspective so throw in a perspective book too

>>1776554
>Peter Hann dynamic sketching
Thank you!

>>1776555
>tfw pretending to be some new namefag that didn't have a trip and forgot to delete the name

>>1776554
That's not a book, right?

>>1776558

It's a set of workshop videos. There is a class but it's obviously not free. I will upload the videos to mediafire.

>>1776559
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/4vsw9or1zuorcvo/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_1.flv
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/h9s58pou98gh83b/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_2.flv
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/axso058c8k03788/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_3.flv
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/f7jhgb4u3o3his5/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_4.flv
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/5o7xs4imfkanxac/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_5.flv
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/bu8kzc86ykdegwd/DYNAMIC_SKETCHING_6.flv

a book to go with the videos (but you need to know perspective)

http://www.mediafire.com/view/kkgo1yh21nix1a8/Freehand_Drawing_and_Sketching.pdf

>>1776559

I have all these videos, but nothing Is explained at all. In video 2 he's like "a good exercise is juet drawing shapes and forms connected to each other... like this *draws them*... yeh it's not easy, took me like a year to get this... okay moving on"

And I'm like, well how can I practice doing something I have no idea how to start.

>>1776563
Other guy here, i am so thankful you uploaded these, i downloaded all of them.
Thanks bro.

I don't have a tablet so I ink and scan my lineart. Are there any good tutorials on colouring said lineart? My lines are either too thick or stand out too much.

>>1776263
>listening to everything /ic/ tells you

Just do what you love man, thats all that matters in the end. Make a hentai or some shit

>>1776625
He is just talking about basic forms, really fundamental. You obviously don't need to draw with him when he begins to draw the space marine or train just observe how basic shapes/organic shapes make things. Notice the draw-through technique for perspective in action.

Does /ic/ have any special/specific strategy for drawing letters in contour drawings? Ive always tried to group them into one big shape and then draw each letter individually, but I always keep on make every letter too long or too wide. And then after fixing them, there are so many restatements that it just ruins the whole piece.

So, I guess what I am looking for is a step by step process of someone drawing letters. For example, drawing "HAND RENEWAL WITH OLAY" on this pic.

>>1776558
where can i get the grey and white pens you use?

>>1776563
>>1775897
A question about Dynamic Sketching and How to draw.

What would it mean mastering the techniques that they describe in their first lessons?
Namely:
* redraw a line with pen
* draw straight lines
* draw elipses (given the minor and major axis)

How perfect should I be able to draw that things? (and also, how small/big should I be able to draw elipsis without using the fingers?).

>>1776675

The grey is a copic warm grey 03 and the white pen is a gel xtreme 0.7

you can buy on blick

>>1776688
thanks, have you heard of Sycra on youtube?

just watching one of his tutorials, he seems decent

>>1776563
>deleted
aw

>>1776136
alright, thanks anon. this is great advice. i'll keep practicing.

>>1776693
... fuck

How do you draw this in perspective?
Could someone please show the lines

>>1776791

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP

>>1776791

It's pretty self-explanatory. Trace the lines of the tunnel

>>1776164
What do you mean by having one for anime? one what?

>>1776926
one fuck to give for his request

>>1776791
Follow the fucking line off the edge of the paper to the vanishing point you dunce

No perspective in it at all. Its actually a colorful game of tic tac toe

>>1776939
>>1776933
Look you fucking dick
Shit wasn't working so I thought I'd ask

So I've taken my fair share of art classes but somehow never really got the hang of basic construction so I picked up Loomis and started fun with a pencil. I've worked my way to page 80ish so far and I'm getting really tired drawing his little people and don't feel like it's really helping anymore although everything up to that point was very helpful in regards to construction.
Should I stop and move on to Norton/Hampton or should I just force myself through to the end and keep drawing his cartoon folk?

>>1776941

>>1776943
Terrible, lopsided circle. Needs loomis. I refuse to play tic tax toe with such awful tech ability

>>1776944
Who are you talking to?

And so, in my anime career, I ventured through the Naruto shippuuden fillers. It was one of the most boring ass thing I ever watched; so I did some sketches during it. Its based on Project 1-E of keys of drawing.

I tried to add some of dat good texture and shading shit for the first time(I did not read a book on it yet). But overall, I fucked up the length and angles of the objects.

>>1777021
inb4 mentioning drawing on a 99 cent lined note pad,

Haven't been able to draw for a while so I tried to do a figure strictly from imagination.

I don't know what natural poses or hand movements are like so I sort of made shit up as I went along. Not to mention the legs. I feel there's a tangible posemaniacs influence and I kind of think like this is just an amalgam of one or more poses I'd seen therein, just more off-balance and drawn poorly.

Tried to do a study. The face came out utterly flat and horrible, but overall it feels alright. Next time I should apply sketches on form.

>>1776203
shitty reference.

try to get some hard light on the important forms so you can feel them better.

you only drew the eyes yet they're always cast in shadow.

>>1777188
yeah, I think Ill revisit that exercise again. I just wasn't comfortable enough to try shading yet.
btw this
>>1777021
is my shading jobs. Could you critique the shading here, so I could do better with the eyes?

>>1777192
simplify the value areas,
be very slow and deliberate,
don't bother with reflective/transparent objects.

>>1777195
Alright, Ill try working on my eyes again and some leather shit like blankets. I think what you mean by being slow and deliberate is for me to choose more specifically of where to shade. I can see why, it seems like my shading techniques is like using the paint bucket in ms pant.
By simplifying the value areas, I think you are trying to say is to have less variety in shade. Instead of black, dark gray, gray, etc, it should be like black, gray, white.

Switched from Right Side to Keys to drawing because keeping the viewfinder still for long periods of time was giving me trouble.

In the left one I was trying to do as the book said and draw very quickly and loose, and restate a lot. The right one took a little longer and I drew more carefully to try to get the distances and shapes better the first time and not restate so much.

Any advice on this? Should I keep drawing loose and explore or be slower and try to hit the correct shapes?

Ugh long work week, tried to decompress with some draw. Practiced real faces, tried some new things... Just not feeling it today.

Maybe my embarrassingly awful post will boost the self esteem of some other anons

Guess I'll just have to try again tomorrow!

>>1775837
Broken life is like, the seed of all good artists around, at least you got that right and will hopefully avoid the typical "middle class white artist" syndrome that ends up summing up a career by looking at pin ups and flower vase pictures.

>>1775879
to be honest, a line is still a symbol, "symbol drawing" is how your brain work no matter what, the exercise is there to make you use the good symbols for the good effect. lines are really rare in real life after all, drawing reality with close line spaces is already a strong stylisation choice where you substitute mass wand colour with a literal imaginary representation.
Drawing "without symbol" should only be applied to colour painting, where you can effectively represent things truly to what you and other's see.

>>1775955
while practicing you can stick to perfect verticals but in real life absolutes are rare and buildings angles are rarely straight so you'll have to learn to add imperfection later.

>>1776203
first excercise : learn to write, that's nearly doctor level there.

How I find motivation to keep going? I'm so frustrated.

Is it fine if I learn with a brush pen? Just started Keys to Drawing.

>>1777247
Well, what I do is after a certain times of day, I punish myself if I didn't draw.

At 10 o'clock, I turn off the heat

At 11 o'clock, I take off all my clothes and slather myself in oil

At 12 o'clock I play bad music very loudly

and so on until I decide to practice for the day, the punishments are usually so unpleasant I'm sure to practice every day to avoid making myself go through them.

>>1777303
You have the weirdest Superego I have ever seen.

can i get some feedback on this

Hungry turtle.

The strawberry is financial stability and security. The turtle is the 99%. The hand is our gods the 1% who control us absolutely.

But no it's really just a quick drawing.

>>1777341
There's already enough drawn porn on the internet for you to fap to. So, put down the pencil. You can stop.

>>1777345
im studying human form you faggit

>>1777351
Woah you mean you actually got some chick to get naked in front of you so you could draw her?

Ehhh... wait.... that's not your mom or anything, is it? I mean that vagina looks kinda beefy, like it's seen so much action it's evolved into a form from which there is no return.... mush like some starter pokemon final evolutions.

You know, and they start out so good but by the end of it you just throw up in your mouth a little every time you look at the end result. Ugh.

If you do become a Great Artist, buy your mom a labiaplasty, would you?

>>1777351
More value needed, don't use lines use shadows. The body has no outline unless it's a crease that happens to get some outline due to lighting and position.

I included something I didnt about 15 minutes of total work. I cant bring myself to finish it and i've just been staring at it for about 2 hours now. This is after 3 years~ of not doing human studies. Good news is I overcame artist block after a couple of years but still have trouble continuing my work past 50%, that or I move on.

>>1777353
shut up faglord i realized the proportions of the legs were off earlier so i didnt bother to fix the vag yet because im done drawing for now.

also, you should calm down. you seem a little upset

>>1777354
the problem is the ref pic is front light, probably a bad idea, so i didnt want to go too dark.

>>1777353
Don't be mean bb.

>>1777354
Did in*

>>1777356
That's no excuse, the skin isn't all greyed out and same tone as like in your pic. Create some pure white highlights then and have some mid range tones. You just have plain light gray everywhere. Also its useful to use actual people to pose for you, maybe a few friends you have known for a while. Usually athletes that can hold the pose for <5 minutes. Pictured is a ballet dancer. I am sure there are sites online that actually have reference pictures where the people are in interesting poses with good lighting creating shadows and tones you can practice with. The picture you used as a reference seems like one of those photo shoots before a porn scene or a photo shoot for met art or some other erotic magazine/site.

>>1777358
I'm not being mean to his drawing I'm being mean to his mum, m8. No hate on the drawing but that mum's like starting with a froakie and ending up with some deformed greninja thing with a huge sticky slab of meat flapping about everywhere. Ugh, yuck... bluh.

>>1777370
didn't say what you were being mean about but that you were being mean. bb pls no bully.

>>1777370
Come back when you've graduated high school.

>>1777372
Oi what ya gonna offer me then eh sweets? A little kiss kiss maybe? Just a bit of an ol' peck on the cheek would hit the spot and make me rethink my bullying ways.

>>1777378
Sir I am here to inform you that I have five years of high quality liberal arts college education under my belt which is also fortuitously funded in its entirety by the United States Government.

>>1777381
bb u wan sum fuk?

>>1777384
> Draw me like one of your ranch girls ooooo~!

>>1777238
>>1777238
>learn to write
oh boy!

>>1777378
>>1777381
>>1777384
>>1777390
btw, you're all a bunch of gay ass niqquhs.

>>1777358
righto on the porn thing. thats supposed to be asa akira. im obviously shit at the face. its literally my first attempt at face/body. i actually went over everything lightly with a 2b and wiped it but i guess that isnt enough. ill go over it again.

>>1777399
the density of the pencil lead doesn't mean squat if you don't apply the right pressure for the right spots.

I even found your reference. http://oi58.tinypic.com/oqc9rk.jpg

Even if the light is coming from the front, there's a whole lot of tones you can achieve even with one pencil. post your progress

>>1777418
well i gotta go to bed but ill update later in whatever beginner thread is up. i like to use different pencils because it makes me feel more skilled

>>1777182

Try looking for references with consistent tans for grayscale work in the future friend. While there are some problems with your work, it'll "feel" wrong and make the subject look emaciated no matter what you do because her torso is lighter due to reasons other than lighting.

how exactly should I be practicing blind contours? my professor says to keep the paper out of sight, draw blind, and sometimes has us do "modified blind" where we can glance at the page a few times, but never watch ourselves draw. My coordination is terrible - I think the hardest part for me is just following the edges of an object with my eyes. will post pics as soon as I can, just need a camera.

>>1777480
stab a piece of paper with your pencil, then pull that piece of paper mid way through the pencil. Place your hand under the piece of paper and grasp the pencil. You now have a piece of paper hiding our pencil and hand while you draw.

>>1777488
Are you literally retarded?

>>1777491
well it seems like a good idea for drawing blind.

>>1777488
>>1777491
yeah. you can get a glance at the paper if you tilt the pencil. I recommend getting a huge cardboard box to put your hand and paper under, and placing the object on top of the box. That way you get a very close view of the object (allowing you to get dem edges better) and you wont see your paper

>>1776064
Atheris dragon?

>>1777493
what pace should I keep as I draw the lines? as slow as possible, or just a relaxed pace?

>>1777491
it's a good method to get started, as long as you dont cheat yourself like I imagine you would. Protip, get stiff paper like watercolor.

>>1777502
didn't think of that. will get to doing some blind contours, I'll post the results in a bit

don't have a scanner, had to use shitty phone. it's supposed to be a foreshortened view of my hand with the fingers pointing at my face.

>>1777511
goddamn why the fuck is it so tiny.

what the benefit doing contour drawing?

>>1777511
is that a banana?

>>1777520
Which form of contour drawing are you referring to?

>>1777511

>>1777522
I'm not sure anymore

>>1777524
blind i guess

i don't get why copy line of a drawing can improve my drawing

What do you think of deez treez?

>>1777342
I love it

>>1777303
What the hell? Nice idea tho

supposed to be my fist.

>>1777539
these are the blind contours. wtf is going on with the images sizes?

>>1777531
It moves you away from symbol drawing.

>>1777539
I see a KKK member, with his back facing the viewer, jumping with joy.

>>1777247
I keep a sheet of dates. Every day I draw I write about how many hours I drew that day. When I don't draw I put a big "X" next to the date. The sheet is next to my monitor, I'm able to view it everytime I'm procrastinating (like right know). By the end of the month I check how many hours I drew and compare it to the previous month, try to break my own "record."

Just checked now: I drew for only 13 hours from the start of this month, which is obviously not enough.

>>1777443
Thank you for your respond. What exactly do you mean by consistent tan?

>>1777554
The girl has a tan line starting at right above her breasts that's not very obvious, but still affects the finished work. By "consistent tan" I mean finding a subject either without tan lines or whose tanlines are "clear" (obvious to the observer). In grayscale, it causes problems like the girl in this photo looking... Screwy.

>>1776664
I've been thinking about this for awhile, and you actually have the right idea already.

I think the trick might be to begin with a rectangle that encloses all of the text. Then you split that rectangle so that there's a rectangle for each letter (bigger letters will have wider rectangles, smaller letters will have smaller widths). From there, it's just using each rectangle as a guideline and drawing the letter inside of it.

You can use this same method in perspective by drawing the rectangles in perspective. There's a chapter in Perspective Made Easy that explains how to split rectangles in perspective for equal and irregular proportions.

>>1777201
I would suggest drawing loose as a warm-up. It actually helps you to loosen up and get in a good mind set for drawing.

Then after you're finished exercising with loose drawings, move on to a single drawing where you take your time and carefully draw.

How do I into gesture?

>>1777531
Blind contour drawing is intended for you to intently observe something and to better sync your eye to your drawing utensil, Imagine that your eye and your pencil are the same and that you're tracing your subject. It also aids you in moving from symbol drawing by paying a lot more attention to a subject than you might have otherwise.

Keep in mind, it's not supposed to look like a portfolio piece, blind contour drawing is an exercise to help build a better skill set like practicing scales on a musical instrument or running suicides on a basketball court.

>>1777898
Read a book

>>1777898
There's a lot of methods to capture gesture but the thing that they all have in common is that they don't focus on construction or form and they show what your subject is doing rather than what your subject is. Google some tutorials and do at least about half an hour a day on quickposes.com and try to find what's more comfortable and makes the sense to you as long as it depicts action whatever it may be.

>>1777911
nah ah. blind contours are an introductory exercise you do in your first drawing class so the teacher can remind you that you 'draw with your eyes' ie. the object is more important than the paper. you should just do it that one time and then forget about it unless you want to use it for aesthetic reasons or you want to draw the contour of something really really quickly.

>>1777542
You aren't spending enough time observing, it looks like you're doing these too quickly. Slow down and take your time to really study your subject, you should be taking around 30 minutes per study.

There's gonna be times when you'd rather hit your own dick with a hammer than do these but it's gonna pay off huge dividends later on.

>>1777913
>>1777915
Yeah I watched and read the part on gestures in the vilppu drawing manual. I'm still having trouble with it but I guess I just need more practice.

>>1777919
Yes, it's a beginner exercise and you move past it, I was commenting on how you you shouldn't worry if it doesn't look like you think it should.

>>1777922
shiet... 30 minutes. I'll have to try it tomorrow.

should I be trying to get it to where it resembles a hand, or is studying the subject and all the lines more important?

>>1777939
It doesn't have to be your hand, the important thing is that you're taking your time and really observing what you're drawing. look at all the little indents, nooks, crannies and proportions.

>>1777945
ok. thanks for your response.

Alright, I tried visiting the eyes practice again today. I dont think I got the glares to stand out enough, and I got the length of my left eye wrong. I spent about 30 mins on it, which seems too much. Below are some drawings I did while watching some anime. I did the headphones before I was told to stop doing reflective surfaces and the towel after.

>>1777985
forgot to resize it to make the file size smaller.

i don't feel like I get what LOOMIS and others are trying to teach me. should I just draw shapes until they are perfect and then learn to draw said shapes in correct proportion?

i'm pegging to draw the best huge tits possible and thems require shape and proportion. everything makes it look so easy, but I know that isn't the case. i don't have much to unlearn save for what i've "learned" over the last 4 years doodling and posting on DA since the ye olden days.

>>1777993
just make sure you're drawing pictures. the worst thing you can do is get obsessed with technique.

>>1776544
Thanks! I was worried the wings might be too blue... but they turned alright. Its on display at art walk right now.

>>1777494
Yup that's the model I used.

>>1777533
Not bad could go for longer shadows though.

>>1777533
Also the shadows don't really seem to be going the same direction as the light on the trees suggest.

>>1778044
aw anons, Im sorry. I think Im posting way too much on these threads. Im think Im gonna try to hold off for a month before posting again,

>>1778048
You don't need to stop posting but you don't need to post every single exercise you do.

What should I read to learn anatomy
Particularly Anime

How do you draw clothes on people? I default to bodysuits cause I can't draw fabric draping etc...

I realllly hate faces, what is the best face tutorial for female faces?

Stupid animu references' boobs are too big... Need to reference normal sized boobs...

>>1778099

Why the fuck are you referencing from anime?

There are clothing tutorials all over the place on youtube. Sinixdesign has one, Cubebrush has one. Check them out yourself.

Your faces are also lacking 3d structure. it's like you're symbol drawing the circle and triangle without really understanding the form of the head. Nevermind female faces, start constructing them with actual 3d blocks. I think hampton may have something on that but I've never looked at his books. If anything, proko also has a vid on constructing faces so look that up.

>>1778103
Great thanks! I added faces into the exercise rotation recently, so yes, they are circles with triangles.

I try to mixup animu and regular people, but sometimes the perspective on regular people is kinda boring so it is hard to practice foreshortening on people.

>>1778048
>>1778055
I'm also with Keys to drawing, so it motivates me seeing I'm not alone.

And I thought one of the pruposes of this thread was exactly that...

Was bored on the plane
First time drawing with a pen

>>1778189
and of course it just had to be an eye

>>1778192
Eyes are bad things>

>>1778200

It's a pretty typical thing for the unexperienced to draw. Just one eye floating in space. 2deep4me

>>1778209
and thats why they never improve

>>1778108
>>1778099

I recommend starting with only real people so you can have a better understanding of the shapes and proportions, before you distort them into a certain style. because even anime is based in reality, and if you know how the shapes work together to make the face, you will be able to draw in almost any style just by messing with the shapes and proportions. It shows when people don't know how the shapes work and jump straight to referencing anime.

Judging from your gesture drawing it shouldn't take you long to get a good grasp of the face. :) good luck

I was doing gestures for 2 weeks and just a moment ago I realised that I'm not using an S curve.

Where did I fuck up the shading?

>>1777986
You should make bigger drawings. Not drawings for ants.

>>1778305
check your values. there are some places which need to be darker.

Hey, never been to this board before, but I've decided that I need to improve my drawing. I've been doing it all day as a jumpstart. It's pen on journal paper. I want to stay drawing with that
Can people tell me what to work on to help establish my style I guess is the best word

>>1778307
How can I tell? I'll look over it again and see what I can do, and of course, i'll post the changes I've made with it.

Alternatively, what's wrong with this? I think I put in to much chicken scratch and the lines aren't smooth enough.

>>1778305
Avoid chicken scratching. Don't smudge, learn cross hatching. Also go watch a video about shading. You should improve very fast.

>>1778316
Thanks, the reason I chicken scratched because it made the outline look more like a pear than a deformed potato, I need to learn to build dexterity with my hands so drawings end up the way Imagined (this means no trembles squiggles and such in the lines), I'm looking up crosshatching now and it seems simple enough, and i'll take the shading in mind, thanks man.

I'd really appreciate some critique on these drawings I did using sketchdaily. Here's a sample of some of the better ones I did today. They took about 5 minutes each.

>>1778344

>>1778345

>>1778348

>>1778349

>>1778277
At least you caught yourself before it became 3 weeks.

>>1778351
>>1778349
>>1778348
>>1778345
>>1778344

You seem to have the forms down well, but it's hard to make them out. you are very light handed. Don't be afraid to go darker, pay attention to the values of the models.

What do you think? How does it make you FEEEEEL?

I'm a little confused on "Fun with a pencill", during the lesson where he draws a face from a simple circle in 4 steps, steps 1 and 2 are reasonable, start with a circle and add minor notches and lines too it, than step 3 comes in and he draws EVERYTHING else like i'm somehow supposed to know how to draw eyes, mouths, cheeks, ears hair,etc. And honestly I learned more out of the game "Art Academy" than I did with "Fun with a pencill" and I spent much more time with Loomis.

Am I just bitching and need to practice more with Loomis or is he really not the best teacher and there are better alternatives?

>>1778351

Okay, you're on the right track by first and foremost separating the light and dark forms. That's good. Now, you need to further refine those forms with half and mid-tones. Keep going.

>>1778487
Hampton is better, at least for me. Just remember to spend enough time practicing basic forms. If you understand how to use 3D forms you're ready for Hampton.

>>1778454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BD2qnBozvE&feature=player_detailpage#t=212

I'd like to think of myself as more than a beginner because I've been at it so long, but the off and on nature of it has prevented me from making any real progress in a while.

Right now I'm having issues with folds on clothes. How do the clothes look? Do the folds feel appropriate?

PS I know the eyes are fucked up

I've gone through Perspective Made Easy. What are some other books that I should move on to?

Thoughts? I've been at this digital artist thing for a week. I think this turned out as well as I realistically could've expected at such an early stage. Everything else I've done in that week are a bunch incredibly short forms of exercises by comparison, mostly anatomy and value oriented, and this was a test to temporarily derail from that grindy trend. It certainly didn't feel like poorly spent time, learning-wise. And I was beaming with happiness when it started to look like it was coming together.

I'd type in a lot more detail but I feel the bed calling. Just let me know what you think, or if their is more I should be explaining.

>>1778715
If you're looking to get more practice with perspective I highly recommend Rapid Viz

>>1778729
Alright.

Are there any other books besides Rapid Viz that I should get too?

>>1778562
Look at this anon reply, anon >>1778103
I would recommend you to go and study some anatomy and gesture though, before worrying about clothes

>>1778724
There's no point in studying at all if once in a while you don't allow yourself to use this knowledge to do something fun and that you really wanna do.
Studying endlessly will end up burning you out.

Massive noob here. Can I get feedback on some of the faces I've drawn? What are the glaring flaws? Do you see any potential in me? Be as honest as possible please, don't sugarcoat it for me. Dumping some pics now.

These are actually the better drawings out of dozens. That's right.

I only draw females btw

Earlier drawing, eyes are way too huge, a haunting reminder of my misguided anime drawing days.

>>1778782
>>1778786
>>1778789
Everyone has potential, they just need training to make them good. Your art is currently at a very low level. Read the sticky. You essentially are stuck in symbol drawing mode and need to learn proper structure and construction.

>>1778793
most people don't have potential.

you can tell with this simple test. if people are genuinely suprised you re as good as you are given your experience you have potential.

Feels like im getting worse, cant even finish anything because it looks so crap, starting to feel a bit depressed

>>1778799
Nah that's bullshit. Art is a skill that can be learned by anyone.

>>1778855
You and literally every artist that's ever existed. Draw through the pain, progress is seen in months and years not days and weeks.

>>1778858
I know you want that to be true because you re not a natural but you'd do better just facing reality and getting a job in IT like you know you will.

>>1778908
I'm already a working artist.

>>1778899
How much time a day would you recommend drawing, Ive been doing an hour or 2 a day

>>1778912
everyone here is apparently.

>>1778454
finnished it up

how retarded are m values?

>>1778908
Why are you even here?

>>1778924
to help young artists. with so much terrible advice here I feel a human duty to at least inject a bit of truth so the smart ones can escape.

In all my amateur life, I dedicated my life to draw dudes. Now that I draw sorta decent dudes, I want to draw shorta decent grill too. There's anything I must watch out while drawing women?

>>1778915
I personally have the luxury of being able to devote 3-4 hours a day five days a week but that's just what works for me. As long as you're dedicating at the very least an hour of pencil on paper a day you should be good.

>>1778933
anatomy

>>1778933
They don't have penises...well some do but only in my chinese cartoons.

>>1778930
This is so self righteous it hurts.

>>1778938
Any book I should read on anatomy

>>1778956
Bammes - Der Nackte Mensch
Bridgman - Constructive Anatomy
Bridgman - Guide to Drawing from Life
Bridgman - The Human Machine
Burne Hogarth - Dynamic Anatomy
Burne Hogarth - Dynamic Figure Drawing
Loomis - Figure Drawing for all it's worth
Loomis - Drawing the Head and Hands
..

>>1778964
FDFAIW is actually terrible for anatomy. He even says in it that for anatomy you should look at someone else, and he recommends Bridgman.

Dynamic Anatomy is also horrible. Filled with balloon men with no discussion of origins/insertions, no concept of opposing muscles, and NOT EVEN COVERING ANY SKELETAL STRUCTURE.

You need to add in Peck's Atlas of Human Anatomy. Now that is a good book.

>>1778967
Let's say I have Peck's Atlas and Bammes' Gestalt on top of Calle's The Pencil.
Would you say that I am set for the rest of the year?

>>1778972
No idea about Calle's book, but the other two are solid. They are both somewhat scientific approaches that teach the anatomy very well, but not figure drawing as a whole, so I would add in another book. Lots of options that would work--Bridgman, Vilppu, Hampton, Dynamic Figure Drawing.

>>1778981
I hope our little exchange has helped >>1778956 :)

I've been drawing animu shit for a while now, with little to no proper anatomy practice/Loomis. Just recently I looked at my drawings in utter disgust because I just realized how shitty they were.

I came to /ic/ to improve my animu, but I'm getting the idea that'll I'll have to draw naked people for a long time. It's also boring as hell. Is it recommended to draw anime on the side? Will it hinder my progress?

>>1779002
Show us an example

>>1779002
Yes, draw your animu on the side to avoid burning out, its your hobby remember? You're meant to have fun.

The key is that you apply what you've learnt from books, photoreference and life to your animu to cement it in your mind. One is just the simplification and exaggeration of the other.

>>1779003
I don't see how that would help at all.

>>1779006
Well if we can see its easier to tell them what they need to focus on, proportions, anatomy, length

>>1779002
When you're just beginning you're gonna have to do a lot of academics meaning studying and practicing forms, perspective and gesture. There is no way around this unless you want to end up like Shadbase.

The way I see it is you should balance your academics to personal work ratio based on your skill level. When you're baby tier it should be 90% studies and 10% whatever the hell you feel like and it slowly shifts as you improve and as the months and years pass until you're able to successfully apply what you've learned. I can't tell you when or what stage that will be, just that it is pivotal that you build a strong skill set and understanding right now. As always, remember why you started drawing and don't become so busy learning that you wind up not doing anything that you wanna do.

>>1779014
>Shadbase

Jesus Christ, what the hell? How did this happen?

And, do I get this right, he's selling fanart?

>>1779002
Go to the sticky try to get 2 or 3 beginner's books, try them to see which one suits you better. People will throw Loomis at you, try him and if his teaching style doesn't suit you move on to other authors.

>>1779008
If he's drawing animu shit, he probably needs everything from basic construction to colours. It's easier to start from scratch than to build upon flawed animu skills.

>>1779002 This anon is correct, listen to him >>1779014
There's no point in learning if you're not having fun with your hobby.

I can never find a good time to draw
>Day time
My faggot roommate constantly walking up and down the house, making the floor SHAKE

>Night time
My faggot girlfriend just wants to fuck

>>1779022
>girlfriend
post study

Watched some proko videos on heads, very informative! But I'm not expecting to magically get better after watching a video...

Practiced more heads. Is it just me or do all the loomis heads look like Paul walker? I just looked for images of Paul walker, but when I drew them, none of my heads look like Paul walker... Haha fail.

Took a road trip, tried to draw cars as they went by... Also attempted more detailed faces on gestures.

I guess I'll see you guys in the next thread?

>>1779031
cya l8er ;^)

>>1779031
Nice anal beads.

>>1778933
men are made out of boxes women are made out of bubbles

>>1779022
Excuses, take a sharpie and doodle on that bitch's ass if you have to, but don't say you can't find "good time to draw".

There are several styles for do gesture. Which one would you recommend for a beginner?

Keys to drawing examples look hard for me - and it is not explained at all in the book -, but maybe are better than the ones that are more "structured" (like Proko o Hampton tutorials)?

>>1779347
I'm a bit against the hivemind here, but if you are truly a beginner I don't even think you should worry about gesture too much at the moment. Focus on good 2d observation for now.

yo /ic/, I've drawn two upside down drawings now, one of the horse and one of the dude in the tutorial. Should I continue as such or should I move on?

Also the horse got a bit fat because of limited space on paper.

>>1779347
In gesture drawing it's important to get as much information about action as possible. It's not AS important to do it the right way as you're thinking, but how much of action you can show in it without making a mess on your paper. There's no such thing like one ultimate method but it's best to study them all.

>>1779351
>>1779351
I'm focusing hard on line control, now (connecting two dots with a straight line, and drawing elipsis, so far - from How to Draw).

I think I'm kind of retard, because I'm really enjoying it.
But I wanted to do something completely different, just for fun and not being that austist.
I already did Draw on the right side, and the first two chapter of Key to draw, and as far as I understand you don't need to master seeing in 2d/tracing for drawing gesture, and it seems really interesting...

I'm planning to focus hard on 2d observation in a month or so, following the Bargue Drawing. And once I get good at 2d observation and prespective I'll start with construction (so if by then I have grasped gesture, it'd be useful).

>>1779351
2d observation? how is that any good at all?
you have to be meaning 3d.

I don't understand this task, nothing seems natural. Can someone show me a few examples?

>>1779415
You have to learn to walk before you can run. If you can't do 2d, there is no way you can mange 3d.

>>1779445
My attention deficiency won't be excited about this.

>>1779445
You know that as a human being you are living your whole life in the three dimensional world? Or you just came from /a/?

>>1779479
And you know that paper is a 3d plane and you have to learn how to make things the right proportions and shapes before you start putting 3d things inside of a 2d plane, right?

It's not like you're drawing in 3d with one of those 3d pens. You're putting 3d on to 2d.

So yes you need to learn 2d first. What a retard.

>>1779502
>paper is a 2d plane
dammit

>>1779444
Get a CD jewel case or something similarly square and rotate it to orient it to match the perspective lines like the examples. All you're doing is rotating a square in space, anon, don't over think it.

>>1775855
same anon here.
so i did practice some more and im quite proud.
i also did my first figuere drawing. gonna post below.

>>1779511
and my figure drawing.

>>1779502
> It's not like you're drawing in 3d with one of those 3d pens.

Top kek. Better go back to drawing your flatlanders from observation. Edwin Abbott will be proud of you.

>>1775823
bleh

>>1778562
As suggested I'm working on anatomy. Does this look any better than previous? And what sort of things should I work on judging by my pictures? In general I feel I have a good grasp on anatomy but gesture is my real problem I think.

I will say I haven't figure out what to do with the left arm. Part of my gesture issues I guess.

Anon from >>1779002

I read some Bridgman and Hampton like other anons have said. Tried out Loomis but his style was way too dry for me.

I spent roughly 6-8 hours going through the books and trying to learn shit but it somehow feels like I'm doing it wrong. Am I suppose to copy from the books? I mean, when I do that (and I do try my best to understand what's going on), the drawing turns out alright. But when I try to draw it on my own (in a different angle or slightly different) it turns out kinda shitty.

Anyways, I think I've drawn enough for today. I feel like my construction was off. Also, the hand was really hard to draw.

>>1779582
Reference

I think I'm still drawing sticker faces. Advices? What errors should I stop making?

>>1779824
Reference

>>1779824
Too much to list, basically it's flat. Learn head construction loomis/vilppu style. Proko has a nice video on the head on youtube too. Then practice it viciously.

WHen you're starting out it's better to make a ton of shitty construction heads and stop when it's unpolished instead of spending a ton of time polishing a picture that's not built well underneath.

Also, for now never frontal faces like that and never ever ever copy a reference like that. construct faces from every angle, you'll probably start to feel comfortable with some angles after a while, if you feel yourself being too comfortable or drawing a certain angle too much then start drawing very extreme angles to reenforce and double check what you know.

>>1779836
>never frontal faces like that
Bad advice
>construct faces from every angle
Much better.

>>1779836
>>1779840

Gotcha! thanks a lot, guys!

>>1779840
I said 'for now'. When you're still learning you want to do everything you can to draw things 3d dimensionally. Drawing a face from the front like that flattens everything, you dont have to think about how the eye lids or lips wrap at an angle or how much of the side of the face would be cut off from the angle, neck insertion etc etc. It'll just teach bad habits.

fucking nigger :D

Starting to work on real people models. I think I had the hips horribly horribly wrong before.

Getting better with making Gestures, how is my figure sizing

Is this pose ok? proportions etc. really struggling with it. If anyone have a reference would really apreciate it.

>>1779903
His arms are too long, I really like what you did with the legs

>>1779898
get rid of that chicken scratch, anon

draw with your elbow and shoulders

>>1779908
>dat file name
you are fucking right and i hate you. thanks anon
also i realize that that arm posture is actually unnatural and the elbows actually should be more separated

>>1779914
Yeah, im cutting down on the Chicken Scratching, I think I should of brought a Medium Tablet

New: >>1779989

test, pls ignore