/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I hope senpai will notice me~

>>1774671
This is the ref, i didn't really use all of it though, only for the clothings and such.

>>1774666
op can i see the full of that? you paint like someone i know... (are you korean)

>>1774691
*whips out dick* no, but you can suck on that.

>>1774702
>implying i was saying it's good
i just wanted a better look at the clothes design which is obscured by the text and cropping.

i almost thought op was my sister.

>>1774702
you have to unzip your dick for someone to suck it.

>>1774710
do it through the zipper, honey.

>>1774714
I thought since you were unzipping your dick it would be around the dick or
inside of it

Pretty much done. I moved his wing so it didn't have a tangent with his tail.

less creepy than last time

>>1774735
You need to A) study face proportions and B) start off with doing some studies of heads from reference, then try to do one from your imagination again.

>>1774737
3) I need to fucking stop drawing nigger faces

>>1774723
Quite nice, I like the lighting

>>1774742
Thanks. Any criticism?

>>1774723
shit man, is fucking awesome!
I don't like much proportions, tho.

>>1774752
Why you fat-shamin the dragon homie?

>>1774753
>fat-shamin
what

I posted a self portrait yesterday, started another again. tell me whats wrong with it so I can improve. I never digitally painted before so I'm so happy im getting somewhere

trying to work on simple lighting

>>1774723
I love the attention to detail
>>1774735
I would use harder brushes
>>1774769
Looks cool, I dig the cell shaded look, but I don't know whats going on with those white spots on the corners

>>1774769

super tight look you got going there mate

>>1774766
Perspective is off. The top of the head recedes in space away from the viewer, so it should get smaller. Draw the box that contains the entire head in perspective, and keep it's angle in mind as you construct the rest of the drawing.

You'll also have an easier time if you:
a) Draw the entire head first, and not just the face - work big to small, general to specific
b) Place a background color that matches the ref before you paint - easier to judge values and color that way.

>>1774671
any comments guys?

>>1774780

Thanks I will get to work on that or maybe try another study, it's funny how sometimes things only look wrong if someone else points them out. looks so flat now

>>1774782
Values are off and the lighting is inconsistent (strong cast shadow indicating directional light, but ambient lighting on figure). The feet look awkward and the close arm doesn't sit in space well. The plain grey bg isn't helping out with your colours. The flag is blowing in a strong wind but his clothes aren't?

>>1774775
Tiger guy here

>but I don't know whats going on with those white spots on the corners

I keep forgetting not to use white for rim shading

>>1774783
Also use a bigger brush

>>1774766
unrelated, but dude you're handsome

judging by the missing top part of the head, i'm guessing you just went right ahead and painted without much planning. i'd sketch in your portrait first to snatch the proportions, maybe mark places where the shadow hits a bit.

then block in the colors under that layer. then paint over the sketch to tighten up.

not bad work for a beginner actually. keep it up man

Study

>>1774791
Not bad, but sloppy edgework and you can simplify some of the halftones better. Get some more brush size variation too.

>>1774784
Ah i see it now, i'll make a few changes, thanks man!

>>1774791
anthony jones painting with confidence tutorial would do you good.

>>1774794
To add to this anon's post, you don't need to harden the edge of everything. Think of where the viewer is trying to focus and refine those areas. For portraits it's usually the facial features, primarily the eyes.

>>1774789
Thanks anon! I drew my whole life but I never broke out of that flat anime style, so I am drawing more from life to break out of it. Pic related Its one of my older cringworthy pictures. I still consider my self a beginner. Thanks again

>>1774791
so good reminds me of frankestien,

>>1774794
how many brushes types is normally used in a picture?

>>1774810
One to however many you fucking want. Brushes don't make you a good artist, they just make you a faster one.

>>1774735
Proportions nigga.
Quick tip : On an average face, the length of the nose is roughly around 3 times height of the eye. Proportions between nose and mouth, and mouth with chin is okay.

Placement and size of ear also needs some fixing. Refer once in a while from reference even if you're doing from imagination.

I suggest for you to take a step back and go down a more basic level. Just simple shapes. There, you can focus on proportions and head planes first. Hampton's head tutorial and Loomis might help. Don't forget to study skulls to reinforce your understanding.

I may have made it even worse.

>>1774844
colors are muddy and lack definition, try using contrasts to force shadows and lighting more effectively

>>1774810
Not sure if intentionally furry or just terrible line quality.

>>1774848
i think i need to read more about colors and everything, because i really don't know what to do.
>try using contrasts to force shadows and lighting more effectively
could you elaborate? Sorry, english isn't my first language.

>>1774861
I recommend reading James Gurrney's "Color and Light". It's thrown a lot around here, but for a reason. There are few books centering around color and light that are as intuitive and accessible as it.

Could I get some critiques on this?

>>1774868
Thanks for the recommendation man!

>>1774875
It's really awesome. Also, full of FUCKING DINOSAUR ART. WHY ARE YOU NOT BUYING THIS RIGHT NOW?

>>1774855
Terrible line art. I dunno what i was thinking

>>1774877
DINOSAUR? SHIEEEET I'M GONNA GET DAT SHIT NOW!

>>1774871
Looks like you copied a photo, but don't actually understand the forms you are painting. It lacks a lot of structure. I would recommend studying hte structure and planes of hte head more, and then the individual features (Vanderpoel is good for this).

Just some sketch requests from /tg/ today.

Need to work on perspective, also I should probably look into some better reference material.

>>1774887
Did you show it to them? They'll cream over that shit mane.

>>1774888
Yeah, it's in the drawthread.

/tg/ truly is the best place for draw requests, they come up with some exceptional ideas.

>>1774891
Yeah, /v/ and /co/ are fucking retarded in that regard, especially /v/.

>>1774886
Thanks bro. I did initially copy from the photo, but I tried to diverge a bit. Guess I failed in that regard.
I'll check out some Vanderpoel then.

>>1774723
The dragon emblem on the plane tells a really nice story. Good job man.

>>1774844
>>1774861
here's a shitty paintover

some tips to get better results
- use a simple lighting setup and think about it when painting shadow and light
- use a ref for the pose and remember about proportions. don't get fooled by photo distortion
- paint occlusion shadows
- when using ref, try to "understand", not just "see"
- check your painting against a similar one made by a pro (is the value range ok? maybe it looks flat because the shadows should be darker? are colors too desaturated?)

>>1774914
lighting confuse me the most, i just don't really know where and how the shadow will cast. Thanks for the paintover man, that helps a lot.

Quickie.. ref was some random tumblr photo.

>>1774932
My scanner destroys my pencil drawings.. lol

>>1774744
Not that anon but for me, the triangle at the bottom of the painting created by the top of his tail, the side of his wing, and his flank, is distracting. Maybe that's just me.

My only other issue I have with the image is the draon's design. The back spikes seem kind of random and superfluous. Maybe if they were scalloped like on his leg it would feel more natural. Also, the wings are unrealistic in terms of functionality. For bat type wings to carry a critter through the sky, they would have to extend further back, perhaps to his hip. See pic of bat!

Otherwise, it's a fantastic image in nearly every respect. These are minor nit picks and your rendering, lighting, and storytelling are superb. My favorite part is his head. Keep it up man, far better than I can do!

>>1774939
Thanks! I got similar critique from a "professional dragon artist". I guess I could be snooty and say "well, it's just fantasy", but you're right, and next time I paint a dragon I'll def remember all of this.

Anyways, thanks for the long message, really nice for you to take your time and do that.

>>1774932
It's good man, next time though I'd do a bunch of heads. It makes it easier to critique on an overall level.

>>1774871
here's a shitty paintover

- try to make features more aligned and symmetrical
- careful with the shading - wrong value here or there and things end up flat
- if you're aiming to paint a pretty young girl, tone down the wrinkles
- eye highlights shouldn't look mirrored
- easy with the teeth detail
- simplify hair

I like how you handled the dress.

>inb4 it turns out that it's all invalid because you didn't mean to make her pretty

>>1774691
here you go. it's just a doodle
I'm not korean and I don't usually paint like this

>>1774951
Shit dude. I didn't expect a paintover. Thank you.
I didn't realize how bad I fucked up some of that shit. Back to the (literal) drawing board.

WIP any tips before I continue, kind of new to this digital art stuff

>>1774982

dude looks like a chick. Too soft of a skin, lashes too long and pronounced, female features.

Unless it's supposed to be a girl, I would work on that

Lately I've been doing extremely less studies. I've just been drawing from my head but using reference. For instance, when I draw a character, I have Michael Hampton, Vilppu, and other sources as reference point to make sure my anatomy is correct. Should I still churn more studies from anatomy books and such though? Of course, I'm still doing daily gestures though.

Lately I've been doing extremely less studies. I've just been drawing from my head but using reference. For instance, when I draw a character, I have Michael Hampton, Vilppu, and other sources as reference point to make sure my anatomy is correct. Should I still churn more studies from anatomy books and such though? Of course, I'm still doing daily gestures though.

>>1775005
Draw completely from your head, no reference. Keep in mind what you have trouble with. Then go back and look at your sources to see what you got wrong and study that plus what was difficult for you. Then go back, draw from imagination again. Repeat till you get it.

>Should I still churn more studies from anatomy books and such though?
If you can handle it go for it but just don't do a ton of studies with no purpose. In other words, make sure you're applying what you learn.

>>1775011
Alright thanks a bunch bro, I'll do that

I warped it for perspective and painted over with a bigger brush,I quickly painted on the hat, looks crummy but I just did it for completions sake.

>>1775043
Chin is too sharp, that light on the nose is too sharp, you need some more oranges and pinks in the skin and some of your shadows. Left ear is too small and in a weird spot. Right ear is a little too big.

>>1774942

It was just a warmup :)


Here's a WIP... Designing a creature for a possible painting I'm planning.

(sorry for the instagram quality photo... hehe)

>>1774830
Thx, fortunately proportion exercises are what i'm into in this moment, i fuck around with the tablet because it's fun, but i'm far from being able to draw human heads

What the Hell am I doing wrong with the head? if y'all red a better pic, I'll post another. I'd also be grateful of someone red-lined it.

>>1775061
*need

>>1775043
>>1775046
well, as far as proportions go, you gonna get a lot of shit for that. that's why i suggest you sketch it out first; i think you have a pretty good understanding of proportion actually, but it's poor here because like i said, there's no planning. so i'll drop any of that shit for now. but this does look like a bit of an improvement as far as proportions go.

as for the colors, it's pretty spot on. if you're going to continue this study, i guess my suggestion to you is to try to smooth it out to understand a bit about digital rendering. you've blocked in enough colors to do that. (maybe only the shirt and a quick splash of the bg color to go) it'll minimize the "fussing" look and what the other anon said about "using bigger brushes."

but try to scrap this soon and start a new one, but this time with a battle plan. better results, guaranteed.

>>1774971
oh ok, dunno if you read my other post but yeah i almost thought you were my sister, it's a similar style as far as the rendering and face aesthetics go.

it's pretty nice, i like the hands and face.

>>1775083
Heh nice, I will def post my future studies, I already scrapped it, I learned a lot from it. thanks bro

>>1775105
no prob, lookin forward to your improvements man.

A draft concept design for homework
seems not design enough.
Maybe not to redo

>>1775191
Do more thumbnails.

floating head study

Panther 2; Germanic Boogaloo

this time with less .jpeg artifacting and in the correct thread

Apologies for shitty photo quality...Some people were saying I should learn to render basic forms before doing anatomy, so here's a still life I did today. Tips n' trix please.

>>1774895
have harder edge and line.
You better begin with lines. IT is hard for beginner to start with volor

To high to dray, I get lazy :,(

fwiw It looks considerably less rough irl.

The underpainting actually made things more difficult for me since it left some very dark values around the eyes that I just can't remove entirely

I will still work on it but I would appreciate any c&c

>>1775239
What are you on?

also clean up your line work, you squiggle like a drunk driver

>>1775239
>>1775241

lsd and speed

/ic/, I just sent portfolio submissions to like eight card companies and forgot to attach the pictures to the email for two of the clients (I sent another set of emails with the files attached). At the very least, I included my portfolio website with all my emails.

That said, how fucked am I?

>>1775252
Just fucking email them back and go "whoops sorry about that here are the attachments"

This shit happens, anon.

The question thread is kinda dead, so I'll ask this here.

I know people say that you should start of traditionally when you're learning to draw (which I have), but does this apply to painting as well? I tried to get into traditional painting, and I found the process very frustrating, mixing the colours etc. Is jumping right into digital painting going to be problem?

>>1775267
I don't think so.

>>1775267
Do what you want to do in the first place. Fucking around with paint is a waste of time if you want to work digitally. Play some Osu! with the tablet to get used to moving your arm properly. Beware of secret fatigue: wear a cotton glove with the thumb and two fingers cut off or the rubbing will make you stop working and you won't realise why. Use ManicTime to keep yourself honest and ensure you are meeting your time goals.

>>1775267
The thread's not dead, people lurk it you know.

But yeah it applies to painting. You should take a painting class from someone who knows their shit if you can. Maybe try new masters academy, do a trial and do some of the painting videos. You most likely found the color mixing frustrating because you don't know enough about value or color or your materials yet.

I'd say do a color wheel or like grey scale paintings first dude.

But anyways jumping into digital won't fucking kill you, however it would help you immensely if you learned traditional first.
However training your eye to pick colors with digital might be good too, since you're not going to need to mess with mixing colors.

Hell you could even do digital first for a while then go take a painting class later.

Another study from earlier today.

>>1774794

Yeah I got pretty lazy on the forms really no excuse I'm a shitter. Simplifying is definitely something I gotta hit up some more.

>>1774807

Nigga what.

>>1774807
Anthony leave

Does this look like Angela Merkel?
I had no direct reference to work from so I just kind of figured out the forms and lighting by myself with various reference images of her.

just having fun

just having fun~~~~~

yo /ic/, i suck at painting armour. anyone got any tips? it's quinn from league of legends.

>>1775281
NICE

>>1774963
Love these. Do you have a blog?

>>1775273
nice nice nice where do you get your study material from?

>>1775297
Up the contrast if her armor is meant to be made out of metal. It should be a lot more reflective if you're going for the shiny-armor look.

>>1775281
Did she commission you?

>>1775299
Thanks
>>1775317
I wish! It's just for contest sponsored by a newspaper from Berlin since her 60th birthday is coming up. I'm hoping for some free publicity

>>1775299
Thanks
>>1775317
I wish. It's just for contest sponsored by a newspaper from Berlin since her 60th birthday is coming up. I'm hoping for some free publicity

>>1775323

To be honest I think her eyes look slightly off. I think you've made them too big and vibrant, Merkel's eyes are really quite small and beady afaik.The right side of her lips is just kind of disappearing, making that side of her mouth look smaller and misshapen. She also looks years younger than she is in your picture. The picture is technically good but I think she just misses that tricky likeness thing that you really want to have in these kind of celebrity portraits. Please don't let this discourage you however, likeness is ridiculously hard to get and it's a constant struggle for me too. Just keep trucking.

anythoughts before I turn this into a poster?

did a film screen study. it looks weird on foto but whatever.

>>1775281
welp, I recognize her on picture

>>1775239
my eyes are burning

>>1775053
legs too tiny, they look as long as his arms or even shorter, monster design is nice but why does he have a towel on his shoulder?

i just want to say that you guys are amazing,
I've only had my Drawing tablet for a couple of days now but I would like it if you guys would request simple things I could try to draw,
Again, you people draw amazing art

>>1775328
Thanks! I thought the same thing about the size of the eyes but according to my reference images they're pretty much like that. I had to re- and overpainted them a few times already.

>The right side of her lips is just kind of disappearing,
Thanks, good catch.

>She also looks years younger than she is in your picture.
Don't you mean she looks younger in my painting than she does in real life? I consciously decided not to paint in every single one of her wrinkles to make her look a little more appealing, I guess

Anyway, I guess I'l call this one finished and move on

>>1775347
It was a design decision on the tiny legs. It's not a towel... lol.. I didnt finish it, but will be some kind of tribal drappery thing.

>>1775202

after rockwell I presume?`

Hi! this is my first time doing digital painting, took me around an hour (fumbling around with PS tools included)
Any kind of critique would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance

>>1774666
its a rough sketch, I want to figure it out the rest of the body, but seems really difficult

this is what I'm working right now. It's almost finished

I mostly just doodle and make quick stupid pictures, but sometimes I sit down and really do try to make the best picture I possibly can. Now this is the latest of my serious drawings, I made it a couple of months ago.

I know the anatomy is shit, but I kind of like drawings that aren't too realistic. But I really should try to draw more often and start studying art and all that stuff, I'm just not patient enough.

>>1775267
If you can't mix then you haven't learned color theory, so when you paint digitally your colors will be fucking muddy anyway

>>1775498
Nothing really wrong with the anatomy per se, but it looks a bit flat and the facial proportions are a bit fucked.
I'd suggest wrapping the tattoos around the form and using at least basic construction on the head.

Unfortunately it's a bit too far past stylised for you to really get away with it.

Still working on it

>>1775498
Looks like you are stylizing it to hide your lack of ability to draw it normally.

1/2

Almost done.

>>1775632

2/2

Redid the design on the bot. Have a checklist to finish out both shoulders, make the bot sharper and clean up the metal values as well as add a few fence posts up front and fix the issues with the house. Other than that, hows it looking?

>>1775594
I'm pretty sure this was better in all respects when you posted it like what, a month ago? What the fuck?
Then again, maybe I'm just remembering things wrongly.

>>1775632

2/2

Redid the design on the bot. Have a checklist to finish out both shoulders, make the bot sharper and clean up the metal values as well as add a few fence posts up front and fix the issues with the house. Other than that, hows it looking? Thanks for the design advice who ever that was last thread. I hated the beerbelly look as much as you did.

Just finished painting this. How do you think I did for my first painting ever?

>>1775640

Shit forgot pic.

>>1774807

>telling anthony jones one of his tutorials would do him good

geckokek

>>1775641
Those fucking fingers

le doin some studies :^)

is fanart (that you yourself drew) even allowed here? i never see it in the threads but i don't see anything about it in the rules, either
is it just one of those things that's frowned upon, or what? (i ask since i'm working on some pokemon fanart and would like critique...)

>>1775659
yeah i saw people posting lol/dota/darksouls characters etc..

>>1775659
Well.. If it's pokemon fanart you'll probably deserve to be offended.

>>1775659

Depends.

-Hey guise, I drew my original character named Blonic!

-The Uziel class of mech remains my favorite, so I drew it kicking major ass. I need some help with the left missle pod, though. It's a titty bit wonky to me.

One of those two scenarios will either get you helpful criticism or have you labeled as a terrorist in possession of weaponized autism.

>>1775663
ok
houndoom in particular looks really incorrect to me but i can't really pin down what i should change, exactly
and i think i fucked up the lighting on golurk (bottom)?

>>1775594

Her spine would have to be broken for that pose.

>>1775336
cool

>>1774941
You can ignore the wing comment if you wish. Dragons wouldn't fly anyway. You can do them any way you wish as long as it looks good.

>>1775234
pay more attention next time to improve rendering. Really do it slowly so you get gradients

>>1775751
how am I supposed to fap to dragons now if I can't believe they're real!?

>>1774666
Just started this, first serious acrylic painting. Having trouble blocking in the entirety of the canvas, I end up focusing on the figure. Anything completely fucked up before I go any farther?

Still figuring out what I want to paint and experimenting with ideas. What does /ic/ think?

>>1775355
I think her irises need to be a bit larger. Looking around at photos you don't see very much of the sclera. I'd also add more emphasis to the crease just above the upper eyelid - a lot of photos have a lot of deep darks in there. This somewhat applies to the outer interior corners of the eyes. I'd also push the spherical forms of the sclera, and possibly lower the overall value a bit.

For spotting potential differences, I'd flip your image and shrink it down to a thumbnail. Do the same for a ref sheet of photos (thumbnail size and flipped), then see if there are any major differences that you can spot. Yours looks fairly close at normal zoom, but a lot of that likeness seems to disappear at thumbnail size IMO.

I'd also look to some presidential portraits for inspiration in terms of lighting, color of the backdrop, etc. Kinstler comes to mind:
http://www.everettraymondkinstler.com/pages/portraits.html

>>1775594
Head's a little small and doesn't look connected to the rest of the body. Flesh out the neck before covering it with hair.

>>1774666
50 min speedpaint

>>1775632

New version. Bought to call this one done unless you guys see something I'm missing.

>>1775835
I think the skin looks a bit dead. Could do with some reds and pinks.

>>1775836
This

>>1775835
Soften the corners of her jaw a tad, listen to the anon above. Smooth out the values on her left bottom ear, define a little more on her neck and it's finished. it should take you like 5 minutes. Great job anon otherwise. Also I think I fell in love with her, but that's ok.

>>1775301
Thanks! And no unfortunately.

>>1775835

Fix the nose and ears anon, they are hurting your otherwise pretty good picture.

Maybe check the facial proportions too.

constructive criticisms pls

If you pick up a flower; you kill it.

need some anatomy crit

>>1775835
I remember seeing an older iteration of this. Your proportions are off, and you aren't really painting any of the forms correctly. Do some studies of an Asaro head and try to learn the major planes and proportions that you'll be dealing with.

>>1775868
You'll be best off taking some reference photos to use. Set up a camera relatively far away at the right height, take the pose yourself and photograph away. You don't really need to have the right body shape to extract the information you need to correct this.

And as I'm typing this, I see that you titled this as 'study'. Show us the ref if it exists.

>>1775884
Here's the ref.

>>1775868
>>1775885
Honestly a lot of your larger shapes are just off. Focus on an accurate reproduction, and the anatomy will fall into place. I also wouldn't bother trying to change her attire when you don't have solid enough understanding of what's going on beneath there.

Focus on getting your big shapes correct, then refine down to your smaller shapes. A good technique is shown in Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course, but essentially the same principal is also shown in Drawing Made Easy by Lutz.

Once you can copy shapes accurately, you can move onward to studying perspective and basic forms, constructing complex forms from basic forms, etc. What you do later on depends on your goals, but for now learning to see accurately and translate that to paper is step 1.

>>1775903
Good to know. Seems I've missed out on a lot of the basics. Thanks for the feedback, anon.

You Kra Ina !

>>1775883

eaux mai

How the FUCK did I not notice the ears are way too small.

a very rough wip
Its prettu obvious I have a lot of work to do but anyway, any tips on how to paint the dark cliff faces would help tremendously

>>1775857
pls respond

>>1775928

Because you're in a rush to go pro so you can help pay the bills and become financially independent. Yes, I remember you saying that. Take your time, nigga. No one can or should be able to rush greatness.

>>1775835
>>1775883
>>1775928
Anon again. I was bored while waiting on my dinner so I tried my hand at this. Here are a few points:

-Draw the whole head first, then crop what you need way later. It's easier to keep the tilt of the head and the proportions correct as you go along.

-I included the earliest saved drawing stage and marked off the proportions. I tried to do a slight uptilt, which I believe is what you were going for, so the ear will be a bit lower than the bottom of the nose and the browline for the average head.

-I used a reference (poorly), but the actress (Cobie Smulders) seems to have a fairly close likeness to what you were going for. Ideally you'd use a ref for the lighting scenario as well, which I didn't. I tried to use warm shadows to complement the cool primary light.

-I'm not sure if this is how you approached the painting, but I tried to paint the entire head in the dim lighting scenario, being mindful of plane changes. The bands of light were on a separate adjustment layer, with some opaque painting on top of everything.

I'm not sure how helpful any of this really is, but since I already did it I figured I'd post in case it helps you any. Also, don't take anything I say or depict as fact since I'm still learning myself.

Finally working on still life

>>1775962
Nice paintover anon! I'm not the original guy who did the painting, but it's still nice to see. You should do more paintovers.

>>1775962

Thanks man. I really appreciate it. But holy fuck I like how cool your rendition is looking.

Finish it pls.

Anon.

Pls.

>>1775968
Not bad. Clean your edgework and try to look harder for colours you see instead of painting with all those greys.

>>1775962

This the good shit. You should do more like this.

>>1775971
>>1775962

One when she's young, one when she's older.

TV Show when?

>>1775976
Thanks. At first I kept the edges clean but the use of a mask layer made it look too obvious and unnatural. Maybe I softened the edges too much?

>>1775989

I'd watch it.

>>1775917
me like

Any feedback?

its a meat monument

>>1775641
perspective

perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective perspective

I woke up today, looked at some of my drawings of this character of mine back in March, April, and thought hey! She's too short! So now she's half a head taller. It's been the trend lately, all of my characters have been getting a boost in height, probably because I realized that I can have some very cartoonish proportions even if they're less than 5 heads in length.

>>1775641

It almost looks Byzantine.

>>1776084

ITS A TROLL POST

Holy shit that took more time than I thought.

my g frond i think more values need to be used and such but anything else would be helpful

>>1776086

Not bad. Did you a quick paint over.

>>1776133

Pfft. Nice.

>>1775053
The finished version of this sketch. Some tweaks in PS just to show more form.

>>1776147
That's actually pretty cool, anon

>>1776147
This reminds me of the last enemy in the last /tg/ related game I ran. Those who survived just gave up.

Bad end, great drawing. I want to see that painting if you make it more than just a possibility.

>>1776147
learn how light works ffs

>>1775920
You fucked up the flag.

>>1776171
yeah i fucked up the entire thing

>>1776147
those mushrooooms

New version.

Been staring at this too long, starting to loose sight on what needs to be fixed.

>>1775917
have a tumblr/blog ?

>>1776184

My god. She's gorgeous.

>>1776184

I can't see anything wrong so I'm just gonna wait until someone more skilled than I says something.

But those irises though.

>>1775857
it's some sort of jet or something? is it supposed to be symmetric?

>>1776184
her face is still looking a little long to me? maybe it's just me, idk. and the colour just looks way too dull in my eyes

Hey there IC. The more or less finished drawing that I promised. All done by pencil, on a cut A1..
Any tips on finishing it off, any mistakes that I missed?
Its actually one of my creative, more serious works, so I would love to hear something about it!

>>1776257
Why is the outline of the character in the middle so strong and the values much more readable than the ones on the more distant pillars?
Were you implying the plumes to move away from it and the mirror pool?

>>1776258
Hm, well, I am not sure. This was actually one of the most difficult things for me. I mean, the character should be the focal point of it all, so it should stand out more, but at the same time, it does look too "contrasty", almost like the pillars in the front.
That is a good question. I wanted to create this steamy, cloudy atmosphere, I did not think of their direction...Maybe I should have, maybe that would make them more dynamic?

>>1776184
Why the long face?

The nose in general still needs fixing. I'm sure she's finding it hard to breathe with that tiny nostrils of her. The nose is also looking flat, just like the rest of her face. I'd suggest studying skulls, and maybe how to render form first, just like in >>1774830 since you both have the same problem.

Ear height should start roughly from her eye level, and ends at her nose level. The placement will differ when she tilts her head (upwards, downwards), like what the paintover dude said earlier.

For the overall painting, here's some general advice. When painting some face that closed up, try to avoid perfect symmetry composition. You could have her turn her head slightly or such. Perfect symmetry gives this bad feel, almost uncomfortable, unexplainable feeling deep inside your head. You painting something close to uncanny valley does not help either. Try mirroring a straight portrait and you will get this.

Edges and values are weak considering the lighting situation can be interesting. Try to paint more with harder brushes. Colors is also weak. Try to 'warm' it up where her skin is hit with light, and 'cool' down the shadows to get some contrast. This is just a suggestion, so try and experiment with this.

>>1775917
Nice. Though if you want to stay close to your source material, maybe make her slightly on the chubby side.

>>1776262
Forgot to add. The long face is probably caused by the part of the face starting from the nose to her chin, which is extra long. The length of the philtrum should not be almost close to the length of the nose.

Nose is still a bit long.

Anyway, proportions, proportions, proportions!

>>1776261
I am a beginner, so I won't be able to express myself beyond what I find obvious.
Your character being the focus of the scene is obvious but at the same time, if you think about this scene as you would think about the shot, the distance between our eyes and the character is too far for us to see this clear of individual values on the character, while everything else is.. different.

What I am trying to get across is that your foreground is too interesting for me to accept the character as the scene's focus: the wall in front is more interesting/has more details and pushed values than the "middleground", the head on top seems to be the light source but isn't bright enough compared to all the surfaces and their values and for some reason my head thinks that the head is a part of the arch, not a aprt of the ceiling. It feels a bit like an illusion.

We hunt to feed our sons that will grow up to hunt and feed upon yours.

>>1776269
They're all the same species. Poignant.

>>1776257
I really like the design.

Hello ladies

>>1776257

Damn, this is cool. What is it? And what was your inspiration?

>>1776184
youve obviously put a lot of time into coloring and shading... my problems with this image are mostly about the form of the face, which ive tried to demonstrate with this sketch.
first and foremost, i feel like you need to pick a perspective that is consistent and believable... the way the eyes line up with the ears... the amount of space between the features... the view would see more of the bottom of the nose...
the shape of the eyebrows is wak...
i dont really like your coloring much either actually, but the form bugs me more... i kinda like some of the lighting tho. particularly the highlights. just keep practicing.

didn't draw in a very looong time, don't know what to draw either now, so just doing some random imagination shit

>>1776302
gotta say... youre pretty good anon. im impressed.

>>1776267
Hm, yea, I think my problem was that I did not decide the specifics of lighting. Now I can see how its all over the place. Yea, the character is way too intense... I will try to even things out a bit somehow....Maybe darken the whole background, the 2 colons in the back, just even it out a bit. And maybe make the first two colons have the darkest shadows. Anyway, I think I should either focus on the character only, or make it like any other still life-things in the front have the biggest contrast. So I will try the second I think..
>>1776278
Thanks!
>>1776295
Thanks. Its a goddess Lilith in her temple. I was getting tired of all the studying of fundamentals, so I decided to make myself an exciting task. I read about Lilith, her symbols-snake, white rose, the ability to charm through mirrors....and I came up with this. Great way to practice and you learn much more when you actually want to make something amazing.

Another one I made, this time A2 cut in to a square. All pencil. I started with the cliche owl and the moon, but I though I will add something a bit more interesting... The feathers of the owl are a struggle though..

>>1776257
this is really cool, but whats with the perspective on the entryway? the underside of the entryway totally breaks the perspective when it comes to the head at the top.

>>1776310
the owl is rad also

>>1776318
What exactly do you mean? You mean the place where they meet? Now that I think about it, it maybe should not slim down the way it does?
>>1776319
Thanks!

>>1776151
>>1776154

Ty! I hope to do the painting.. haha

>>1776162
Err.. As I said, I just quickly put some values in it, just to show better form, because it was only linework.

>>1776176
lol... I don't get it.

>>1776310
The ear feathers look too much like ears, you make them look furry instead of like couple of feathers sticking up. I would also focus less on outlining feathers on the chest and more on capturing the pattern they create.
Looks great other than that.

>>1776086
i think this would be much better without the lines on the top of her knees and with a different mouth.

>>1776308
oh thx anon, i added some hair in here .

>>1776287
Needs more photobash

>>1776321
yes. like this i think

>>1776327
im curious... how old are you? and what is your profession?

>>1776331
20, in college so no job, only some freelance work here and there.

>>1776053
Love the style, but it looks like her right leg's foot disappears into nowhere.

>>1776323
Hm, yea, true dat, I will make the ears more feathery and I will try to focus more on the pattern of the feathers. Thanks
>>1776330
Yea, but the eye level is around the eyes of the character. So the arc goes above the viewer, thus enabling us to see its downside, no?

started a drawing I'd like to clean up then paint over

can anybody help me fix what's wrong with her face? i've flipped the canvas and can SEE what's wrong, but i don't know how to fix it. any help would be appreciated yo

>>1776338
she looks so hard n grungee, that soft ness and round ness is lost i think you over blew values on the side of her face, also check your construction n proportions of her face, l o o m i s :D

on the bright side you are practising?!?! WOOOOOOOO

>>1776325

Done and done.

>>1776336
i dont think so, no. see pic for what i mean.
>>1776334
if youre not in college for art, then id be even more impressed... i think your pro.
im an art college grad, and youre better than at least 90% of my peers. (granted its an art institute, so take that as you will)

>>1776342
alrighty, thanks dawg

>>1776349
Ahhhhhh shiiiiiieet. Okay, I get it now. Damn that is one big mistake. Well, thanks for pointing it out and the redline, I will try to come up with ways to fix it!

>>1776356
cool anon. honestly tho, the rest is baller. i like your style.

>>1776349
I was in med school this year, so i'm honored I don't think i'm that good yet, but we'll see, i'll dedicate some years for art, i'll take back med school in 3 or 4 years.

>>1776359
holy shit! i dont know how your drawn hands look, but i think this sketch shows a lot of sophistication... great depth and perspective, form/proportions, and some good style too.

>>1776300
>>1776262

i think you guys are slightly confusing unique features with perspective issues. he's got stuff to fix but it doesnt look too bad

>>1775840
Pity. I like your style anon.

>>1776365
if the features are unique, then the artist needs to make us believe that it works. human faces dont work like that... perspective doesnt work like that... and if its a "stylization", then its done poorly in my opinion.
also, im not saying that the image is terrible... just noticeable things that i think would make it better.

>>1775240
you should really define the eyes better if you haven't already, also i feel like the green generally isn't harmonious with the subject. choosing complementary colors, red and green as your two main colors is very risky and right now it just flattens the over all painting. Both colors are way too strong and I feel like nothing stands out.
I'd suggest drowning the green BG with more blue so that the portrait stands out more. You could also add subtle touches of green in the hollows of her eye to make them pop out more.

Keep up the good work though!! I like the painting !

>>1776364
thank you. my hands look like shit, not gonna lie, unless I draw the skeleton and every part of the fingers it looks bad or "normal", but not particularly well drawn. I never used a reference for hands, so it all comes down to feeling, that's why they're mostly fucked up. feets are easier though.

>>1776372
i dunno anon... theyre not the best fuckin hands ever, but i think they work with the rest of the style pretty great. i still think your legit.

in a weird spot right now
pumping out just shit loads of weird sci fi girls just because they keep popping into my head

I think art is rough, takes alot out of you.
I feel a bit empty right now the things I once loved are beginning to dry up *coughcough* knights.

Maybe it will pass over maybe it wont. Anyone else ever experience that?

>>1776338
I feel like ive seen this before
anyways just take a step back work on something else flip the image turn that shit upside down

Fresh eyes are best eyes

>>1776184
Ive been where you are.. shit I think im still there
but shit man honest critique
drop it and dont come back
there's a million and one errors and personally I think it would just be better to work on something else. I honestly don't think any posts about x being wrong will actually help. If that sounds like im being a dick I apologize.

>>1775273
fuck thats some sexy brush work
got a blerg?

>>1776396
god damnit

>>1776396

>drop it and don't come back

Top kek.

If you honestly think anon should drop it.

Bottom kek.

That is all.

>>1776372
>>1776364
>>1776349

...am I on crazy pills but is this sketch not worth the panty wetting response you're having? It's not bad but jesus...feels like samefagging or you have low standards

>>1776411

Heh... I feel the same way, but remained quiet to see if someone else would think that too.

>>1776414
I agree with both of you guys but I just slammed a jack in the box oreo cookie shake and wouldnt mind taking my fat ass and sittin on both of you and watch you struggle for air

>>1776399

not even that anon but lol at working continuously on a mediocre piece of art that will, at the end of the day, serve as nothing more than a glorified study. Like other anon said, there are a million and one errors, and continued work would just be polishing a turd.

captcha: facts oreatrea

>>1776414
>>1776418
it's mine and I also agree, but I guess everybody starts somewhere. and no, that's why I said I wasn't on that level yet.

>>1776411
>>1776414
>>1776418


Now we are four

:V its not perfect but i started at 4am in bad lighting while laying in bed

>>1776428

Oh my god. I just CAME in my pants. Holy shit anon. It's not like were all really talented or anything. But your painting just gave me meaning to life! I have a girlfriend now! And I lost 10 pounds in fat, and gained 20 in muscle! My bone structure changed, I have piercing blue eyes and my penis grew two inches!

I can now do loomis too!

Thank you based anon!

Dub gets to all my homies!

>>1776430
>>>/tumblr/

/ic/ is for art.

>>1776430
...why did you put a gif when you could have easily just put the picture of the final product which is easier to see and we wouldn't be subjected to your hair ass legs

>>1776430
Do you guys know why people love showing their art from an angle? Because it hides blatant mistakes, and makes it look nicer. Get your shitty tumblr gif out of here.

>>1776338
Cunt, you fucked up this bitch in so many tiny ways i cant even imagine or fix it properly. Take notes faggot-
>Learn to apply perspective properly
>Learn to apply facial proportion
>Lean to see the skull underneath the face
>Learn not to fucking use the Lasso tool every-fucking-where like your dick (or use it with the feather or airbrush- watch Jana Schrimer's video on yt)
>Learn about edges
>Learn not to hide ears
>Learn to set up values supporting composition (no using black & white in eyes doesn't do shit, everything's fucking washed out, very little depth)
>Do self portraits from different angles
>Study faces

You got most shit in but every-fucking-thing is off by a tiny bit.
I tried to fix most shit, but lotsa other things are off.
Hope this helps at least I tried to. I know I'm being rude, but fixing your shit's been a nightmare.

>>1776411
>>1776414
>>1776418
wow... shit just went down over my comments... dont see what your freakin out about. i think your over blowing my compliment... i think anons work is of a professional level... thats all im saying. im giving my honest opinion. deal with it.
>>1776426
>everybody starts somewhere
if youre saying that about yourself, then i guess your trying to be modest... looking at it realistically, your work is not "starting somewhere"... your work isnt the best in the thread, but it is the best posted all morning.

>>1776445

What the holy fuck am I looking at? The garbage on the right is supposed to be a "fix"?

>>1776447
Then why don't you fix ??

>>1776445

It's time to stop posting.

>>1776449

I'm not going to fix it. I'm also not going to embarrass myself by trying to pretend like I know what I'm talking and completely undermining myself by posting shit work. Don't teach if you haven't even taught yourself.

>>1776445
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I made an art

>>1776453

Better than >>1776445

>>1776446
lol okay

>>1776445

Never change /ic/.

>>1776356
Not him, but this is a method to check these things (ignore the circle).
You find a bunch of points then you eyeball the curve.
I hope it's clear.

2nd big thing:
Mirrors don't work this way, you should see the chick, not the big face.

Anyway, i like it, keep going.

>>1776459
now with 100% more image

>>1776445
The original looks better, so therefore it is better

>>1776462
yes, that perspective looks perfect.

>>1776453
Oddly appealing.

>>1776459
>>1776462
Yeaaa, that makes a lot more sense now, thanks. Had to stare for a minute to figure it out, but yea, yea yea, thanks!
Also, about the "mirror"... yea, I know, what it should do is work as a TV, not like a mirror. Like showing a vision of her face, not a so much a reflection, hence the not working as a mirror part... Yea, I know it sounds weird, but I had work around the mistakes I made lol

Still pretty rough. I'm gonna start darkening and improving the value on the hand after I finish the massive background gradient.

Wow everybody in here is shit.

Shit work. Shit advice.

And you people hope to go pro.

>>1776531
For god's sake fix the pinky before you go any further

>>1776539

psot ur work

From a cosplay photo

Currently adding darker values

>>1776540

will do, it's a pretty awkward angle to capture

>>1776546
see >>1776445

>>1776445
It's a study. Look for Viktoria Sasonkina.

It is good form to try not to parrot terms you know nothing about on /ic/. And if you're barely above beginner level, mind your language and stop speaking like you're hot shit. You will make yourself look ridiculous.

Hope this would be a lesson for you in the future.

>>1776338
Well, I actually like the way you handled the edges. I also like the clean painting work. The hair could be simplified more imo. Too much strands, but it's not that bad though.
Values are good, but I feel that you can inch slightly towards the darker ranges, if you want to stay close to the source image.

But I feel that the proportions are off compared to the original image. The thing about humans is that we tend exaggerate certain features, especially faces, when they stand out. For example, people with round eyes, we tend to make those eyes bigger in our drawings, eventhough those big round eyes, compared to other people, is only a a couple of millimeters bigger. This might play in your hand if you're doing caricatures, but it might mess up things if you're trying to get the actual proportions right.

So, try to make sure your proportions are good before painting further for studies. But I feel, independent of the original ref, yours is quite okay actually.

>>1776539
but but I already are...

>oh ic

>>1776185
everyone always asks that... I should probably make one by now -_-

>>1776091
leld

>>1776445

>>1776539
>>1776553
kill yourself

>>1776574
I'm not him, I was just showing what his work probably is. Now you kill yourself.

>>1776445

>>1776581
i heard that some old lady did it without permission or something ?

>>1774666
>those holy trips.

nice work m8.

>>1775917
you make me want to kill myself

>>1776588
nah she had permission from the priest at the church, at least in her words. i'm guessing he took the offer because why hire a professional when you could do it for free?

a bad case of an uninformed individual meets a life's lesson in why not any ol' artist can "fix" a painting. on the bright side, the world had some laughs and the new painting is raking in a ton of cash from visitors compared to the old version.

>>1776605
i would want to see it too if i were a tourist.

>>1776560
nice

>>1776590
do it!

I tried to do some value study(?)

what does /ic/ think? Is this the right practice for painting, or am I screwing something up majorly?

ive seen reaily method,hampton,loomis. Still cant make those fucking heads right. fuck everything.

>>1776668
thats because you are symbol drawing, look at your god damn reference

>>1776668
pls share ref anon.

>>1776670
i am looking at this god damn reference and cant do shit. Im drawing simple objects in my kitchen and can measure them but head is fucking stupid.

>>1776652
try not to use the smudge tool, use opacity instead, its alot easier to control and looks less sloppy. your anatomy is quite off- especially in the pelvis and breast area, and youve really stylised the face- her eyes are waaaay to big

it might actually benefit you to block out the values in a paintover if you are really struggling with this reference- try and really concentrate on what is happening, and look at every shape in proportion to the other shapes around it

also dont fear darker values

also dont fear feet

>>1776668
copy your drawing into a layer over your reference and see where your biggest errors are, then delete it and try again, focusing on your big areas of weakness (angle of the head, shape and site of the nose, size/shape/placement of the eyes, chin too big/wrong shape, lips the wrong shape... youve extended her head like shes craning forward and looking to the size, which differs to the ref) try not to use that box technique, it encourages bad habits when youre working from a ref (its good for general proportions but will only give you cookie cutter faces if youre not experienced enough to use it properly)

>>1776690
ok so how should i start, from the oval and cut it ?

>>1776695
dont draw an oval, dont draw any 'shapes' at all, only draw light; imagine youre trying to trace the outline of light on her face.

look at the ref and blur your eyes a little, you will see her face defined into very simple but irregular shapes- dont put down any base circle or box to draw from; her head isnt a circle or a box: its what you see when you squint.

think less about the rules you know about eyes being x width apart and the nose x high up the face and look at the ref and thing, hmmm, the space between her upper lip and nose is the same as the width of her lower lip, and her chin is the same size as her lips etc etc look really hard at the ref, it will give you its own clues to work by- look always for proportions in relation to one another

>>1776708
thats mindblowing thanks. will post later what i came up with.

>>1776347
Thisnis actually the most retarded looking cartoon 'style' I've ever seen, no offence

>>1776560 thanks dawg, great advice.the i'll keep this in mind for next time.

Hey i like to draw portraits.
The reference is a photo. I can upload it to if you want to see it.

Any thoughts and critique so far?

I really want to improve but I have nearly no free time at the moment, so practicing will be difficult.