/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

So I've been self educating myself for about a month now. My plan is to learn the fundamentals in 6 months, and then go into animation, storyboarding, and comics at the start of next year. Does this sound like a good plan? The reason why I'm asking is because I hear an anon say that you should be going to a school for animation, and this concerned me.

>>1768316
Do you want to work as an animator or are you a hobbyist?

Going to a school dedicated to this thing would probably push you to work harder, and you'll have teachers to help and give you crits about everything you do. It's not a bad idea if you really want to get good fast.

>>1768316

> tfw I up and decided to be a professional artist

I'm in school for litetatre right now so my plan is to spend 6 hours a day every day for two years, postpone my degree and go live with my dad for one year where I don't talk to anyone and practice drawing 12 hours a day and then at that point try and get some sort of sholarship to a really good fine arts school.

How feasible is this?

>>1768324
My ultimate goal is to direct animated films. The things I stated above I thought would be a stepping stone to reach that goal. Starting off as an animator or storyboard artist, then working my way up to being able to direct.

I don't know if university or college is an option. My formal education is only year 10, and I have ADHD. So when I'm surrounded by people who are my friends, I find it very hard to concentrate on drawing or studying. That's one of the primary reasons I decided to be self educated. Because its put me in a situation where I don't have any friends around me, and I can focus on art.

>>1768330

you will burn out

So I'm just a beginner as well and my question is: is my "learn to draw" book list in right order? Should I add some? Take away some? Or switch the order around?

>1. Nicolaides - The Natural Way to Draw
>2. Norling - Perspective Made Easy
>3. Loomis - Fun with a Pencil
>4. Loomis - Successful Drawing
>5. Loomis - Figure Drawing for All It's Worth
>6. Vilppu - Drawing Manual

I want to draw both beautiful women and landscapes. But I know that comes after years of practice. Something like pic related.

>>1768354
Not sure if Nicolaides would be very useful for a beginner. It's quite the course. Things like Hampton, Pecks, maybe Scott Robertson would be the books I would suggest my past-self.

>>1768355
>Things like Hampton, Pecks, maybe Scott Robertson

Can you be more clearer on this please? I understood the last one is Scott Robertson's how to draw, but the first two are just first or last names, and I'm not sure which books you're talking about for them.

>>1768356
Hampton's figure drawing book and Peck's human atlas.

Beginner here.. what would be best, doing every loomis book for 100% of my studying, or drawing from life like half the time? At the moment I find drawing from life like... impossible and I can really do a lot of loomis and feel good about my results.

>>1768369
>At the moment I find drawing from life like... impossible

Try Betty Edwards.

>>1768379
>2014
>recommending betty edwards
Only the workbook has any worth.

>>1768379

Yeh I was doing it but I have no money to buy graphite, a picture plane, drawing board etc, and my notion of shapes and line control are so poor I swithed to fun with a pencil and drawing shapes and lines drills.

Maybe my order should

> fun with a pencil, concurrent with daily shape/form drills, line contro, drills and hand control drills
> drawing on the right side of the brain
> 100 drawings from life
> the rest of loomis, concurrent with 300 drawings from life

How does that sound for a 4-6 month plan?

If I should focus on perspective, line weight, forms and all those other fundamental stuff, does that mean grind a thousand hours into still lives before even attempting humans?

>>1768389
>a picture plane
y-you know that just means the part of the picture that you're drawing, right? You don't have to buy a picture plane, anon, haha.

You have no money even for a cheap but good drawing pencil? They are 60 cents each. And you just need a sketchbook.

Anyways do whatever you think is best for you, man.

>>1768391
Where do you get that it's going to be a thousand hours? It takes as long as it takes, some people understand subjects faster or slower than others.
However that's a good plan, work on still life before attempting humans. That's a good place to get your basics down really well before moving on to something so complex.

Start with simple things, like a ball or an orange, and change to a slightly more complicated shape or material when you get bored or want a challenge.

>>1768393
Wait, so does that mean that if I even have a rudimentary understanding of all of those (form, value, line weight) I can start to attempt humans?

>>1768392
But the book (at least the one I bough "new drawing on the right side of the brain" ) uses the viewfinder from chapter 5, the one where you have to draw your hand.
The next chapters it uses it for all, negative space, perspective...
Is better not to use the viewfinder in those exercises?

>>1768397
You'd be better off with Keys to Drawing, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain relies on tools too much.

>>1768396
Eh, you could do gesture if you want at that point, but you gotta know that shit really well before you do any serious attempts at humans.

>>1768397
So you're talking about the viewfinder then? Because the picture plane is an art term, it's not a tangible thing. The viewfinder kind of represents that.

Anyways the viewfinder doesn't need to be made of anything special, it could be board and string or paper and glass/plastic. Go grab the glass out of a picture frame or something.

Okay that book by Scott Robertson is insane. How am I supposed to apply any of that stuff to beginner drawing? I mostly understand how to do the perspective work but have no idea how I could apply that to my artwork.

>>1768417
It's really not, but you shouldn't be doing perspective until you've done positive/negative space and shapes.

And normally you would apply that stuff by drawing a hallway or maybe a part of a building, a room with a table in it, etc.

But seriously dude one step at a time, don't skip around everywhere. These things are in a certain order for a reason.

>>1768420

Okay thanks. I'm halfway through keys to drawing (past the chapter about mapping). It's really great so far but I feel like the only things I'm really taking away from the entire book are just to draw from life. Is this all we really need to know to be on the right track for beginners? Just to draw from life a lot and learn about values, mood, and all dat shit that way?

Here is a study I did on basic forms. I absorbed the knowledge of he effect of the basic shapes from that point of view and that direction I light but is it necessary to do the same for every direction of light to develope a good sense of values?

>>1768426
How long have you been working on the book?

>>1768426
>Is this all we really need to know to be on the right track for beginners? Just to draw from life a lot and learn about values, mood, all dat shit that way?
I guess. If you have any specific questions about anything you should ask them. But yeah, you seem to be doing fine.

>is it necessary to do the same for every direction of light to develop a good sense of values?
You don't have to do that. Keep doing it if you would like to, there's no harm in it at all and it can get pretty fun. But if you'd like other ways to practice values you can try working from midtones first (like on a toned middle grey paper with charcoal pencils or sticks), make a value scale, do a still life, or even do what you're doing now but make the objects themselves different values. Maybe the ball is black and the cylinder is a lighter grey, and your box is white.

You're doing well though. Keep in mind that overlapping objects is the way to go with these things and still lifes, because it shows depth.
And nice attempt at toning the background. A word of advice: the background looks neat when it's not flat. A trick I learned was to make it darker along edges of lighter areas, and lightest along the darker spaces. Play with that a little bit.

>>1768427

A couple weeks. I have work so I hav to squeeze in as much drawing as I can on my time off.
Why?

>>1768448

Okay Awsome. Great info. Thank you. I always feel like I'm behind/not doing something right so thanks for helping me know I'm on the right track

>>1768462
Just wanted to compare. I've had this book for almost a month and I'm at chapter 4. I've been stuck on chapter 3 for two weeks now.

Gotta try harder.

i'm probably really stupid but how do you decide whether to use 2 point perspective or 1 point perspective in a drawing?

>>1768477

No reason to compare really. The only reason ie been going fast is because I have limited time before school starts and that will really lower my time to draw. I just want to have basic beginner knowledge before school starts so that way I can focus more on imagination an life drawing without having to read through more book stuff. it's probaly better to take more time with it and digest it more. I plan on going over it again just to solidify

bump

Help with >>1768122

>>1768354
>loomis
>at all

>>1768527
Why not?

>>1768478
One is central.

>>1768527
>lol guys check out how edgy i'm! am i cool yet?

>>1768316
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>>1768619
>you aren't going to make it

tried my hand at value drawing, kinda sucks. definitely should have started with something simpler than that. and definitely should work on my proportions. I enjoy eyeballing with the pencil but I get tired quickly.
Having shader programming knowledge, I somewhat get how shadows are supposed to work but blending color with a pencil, a "rubber pencil" (don't know what they're called), a regular rubber and a q-tip was quite difficult. not sure where to go from there.

>>1768620
what?

>>1768620

Go ahead, Explain
I'm >>1768426

Loomis for life.

>>1768662
Too little time invested, too little time invested in beginner's stuff as well, mistake your first steps for prodigial progress yadda yadda yadda.

Remember how much time it cost you back in school to transfer the book into memory for your class tests?
Art is the same. The books teaching you how to draw are instructional works, you have to repeatedly DO instead of solving a drawing puzzle every few pages while reading a fun book.

>>1768677

I understand what you are saying but I never felt like I was making prodigal progress. I see that brought up a lot here so I geuss it must be a common theme for beginning artist to feel like they are something special?

I said in my post I plan on going over the book again but I'll take your advice and make sure everything is solidified completely before continuing on. I'll truly try and digest every concept fully before opening any new book. Don't tell me to put a gun to my head though cuz painting my wall red wouldn't help me progress id imagine

>>1768670
One last doodle. I'm kinda happy with it.

>>1768688
terrible

>>1768697
Yeah? Why?

What's the point of keys to drawing if you want to draw from imagination? I mean without construction drawing from life seems pretty pointless to me.

>>1768730
Without knowing the technical part, your drawings from imagination will have lots of problems, like poor composition, lack of perspective, your human forms might end up flat and lifeless.

>>1768730
The way I see it is that it teaches you how to "see" something whether it's in front of you or in your mind's eye. If you still resort to symbol drawing from what you're looking at then it will be the same when you're trying to do the same from your imagination.

>>1768697
post your work master

>>1768743
sent

H-here I go...

>>1768697
Oh look, it's this guy again.

>>1768743
rekt

What's a good anatomy book for a beginner?

>>1768818
"Sticky" by /ic

>>1768818
I wouldn't really say anatomy is for a beginner... You can start with it but you aren't going to have fun. It depends on your level though but I'd say start with something simple like "Fun with a pencil" from Loomis.
You're gona have way more success with that and that will get you do more.

>>1768784
And another. Slowly getting better and faster at this. Still shit doh, I knows.

>>1768876
The arms seem like they are in an unnatural position...

Maybe try a different pose? Just to spice things up...

>>1768876
Well I did choose to reference a jjba pose, and a figurine at that.

Not saying it's >muh excuse

But yeah, actual people would make more reliable ref for a nublet

>Pic related
>kono dio da

>>1768940

>>1768959 was meant for you, whoops.

I'm done for today.

Working myself through Loomis.

>>1769044

>>1769045

Fuckin' perspective and form and shit.
I'm not sure what this feel I'm feeling is just a kinda tired demotived 'uuuugh', tedium and frustration perhaps, this wasn't a particular challenge to do, just wrestling with my bad hand-eye coordination, am I languishing in my comfort zone?

>>1769069
Looks pretty good to me, he looks a little light on his feet, maybe think of giving him a little weight in the legs and put some meat on his bones :)

Is it okay to use photo reference?

What's a good place to start for someone looking to get into drawing animation. I guess the style in Archer or Waltz with Bashir

>>1769086
www.beginningartist.com/support-files/improve-your-art-12-ways-v4.pdf N° 6

Aside from the standard writing grip this is the most naturall pencil grip for me when I switch to overhand and shoulder movements... is this okay or is it full retard?

>>1769138
You can hold it however you want it.
But do hold it like in the picture.

>>1769121
his use of color is horrible..

>>1769138
>>1769143
Doing it wrong.

Drawing feet, I know I have a problem with scratching.

>>1768527
>>1768620
>>1768697
>>1769164
Simply epik. Please continue your contribution.

>>1769167
Draw more

>>1769167
All this white space.

Is there a way to use a plan and elevation for a 3 point perspective live you can with a two point? Or are you supposed to just do it by eye?

welp, i'm new to drawing

How can i overcome fear of drawing? Currently i force myself to do at least 30 mins every day to ease myself into it.

I'm a beginner and I've started to take drawing classes in a studio on my town.

All studios I have available on a 2 hour drive radius make beginners start with charcoal (I'm from Spain), but the sticky and all the books I've looked into suggest to start allways with a pencil.

I've started Betty Edwards book a month ago, and joined classes to have a teacher to guide me better and point my mistakes, but in classes we make the lines and forms too quickly and a lot of mistakes are allowed and then spend a lot of time shading. No perspective or other things were teached, only the way to take measurements using the charcoal and closing an eye.
We allways draw from life there, wich I think is good because here is recommended a lot.

I'm still working with the book of Betty Edwards at home. My question is: I'm wasting time and money with this class? should I be focusing on learning to draw with pencil?

I've searched for an academy or teacher that teaches how to draw in a way closer to the recommended books but haven't found anything.

>>1769247
Do you have a goal in mind? Is there something that you want to be able to draw? Like spaceships, nature, people, medical devices? Maybe study / read a lot of source material for what you want to be able to draw, and the inspiration will overcome the fear.

Just a guess - if I want to draw mecha, I will get a book about giant robots, and after reading it for a bit or browsing /m, I'll pick up the pencil and try to copy pasta a favorite image. Then once I fail, I have already started drawing so I can continue into exercises.

>>1769250
The class sounds good. If you're comfortable with the price of it then continue visit it. It's always harder to do it on your own so a big class is a bigger help then you might realise.

>>1769271
My end-goal is very big, it is to create new fictional worlds. And to do that, i have to learn everything pretty much.
I don't have any low-skill goals, maybe that is the problem.

>>1769276
Get a book and follow it.
Do at least a page every day and once you're done with that book get another.
Just keep drawing.

And don't have more than 2 days of no drawing.

And don't be afraid to upload your stuff to get some opinions on it. Having people to talk with about your art is really motivating.

>>1769281
Right now im going through perspective to get a better sense of 3d in 2d planes. Hampton is what im going for afterwards.

>>1768369

You should definitely appropriate some time to life drawing, then. Always work to overcome your weaknesses. BUT, alongside that, the point of practicing isn't to get it right just once and then feel good about it. As soon as you get it right, do it again, and again until you get your time down. When you can get it right in a very quick time, you've become proficient.

But, i think the hardest part about life drawing is shading. If you feel the same way, it may help to find a book that covers shading techniques, and how to understand the effect of light. In some sense, just drawing from life without having any sort of understanding of perspective or shadow could be the long, difficult route, as compared to the shorter, less difficult route of following instruction from books or teachers.

Is copying bad? Not tracing, but looking at something and then trying to copy it?

Doesn't have to be a drawing, but anything really.

>>1769349
As practicing yes, but don't show it to everyone and say it is your own work

>>1769350
As in it's good for practicing you mean?

>>1769372
Yeah, copying from life is pretty much mandatory to avoid symbol drawing, and copying other peoples work can improve your own style.

>>1768959
>tfw I got that reference from looking at your mannequin

Just finished Fuck with a Benis. I understand construction and perspective but my drawings are still shit. Time for Hampton I quess.

>>1769393
You know, you could do what is implied by omission in Fun with a Pencil and draw people you know using the "funny people" system.

>>1769393
No, those are just flat forms. What you must understand are forms in 3D. Try drawing basic forms and give them 3D illusion. For example, draw circle and draw lines around it, like if there where rubber bands around it. Try do it with other forms, do it daily

>>1769398
Like this?

>>1769405
how long have you "fun with pencil" ?

>>1769410
Two days. D-don't bully.

So basically : I don't understand and it's better to not do anything else for now? I was thinking I still can't draw for shit because I'm lacking in every field possible besides 3D thinking.

>want to do 3D game art at uni
>need portfolio of 2D work to get in to the good courses
>dont draw

So, going to take 2 gap years working part time and teach myself how to draw, going start Keys to Drawing right now

>>1769458
>game art
the portfolio requirements will be extremely low
you might as well try now

>>1769425
You know as much as you think you do. Do yourself a favor and learn perspective now rather than later on, look into perspective made easy or rapid viz.

>>1769461
Although the course itself focuses on 3D, the 2D requirements are a lot higher than what I can produce with my current skill level (which is nothing)

>:^(

>>1769480
Thanks anon!

Working hard, everyone? Most of our upperd/ic/kmates are laughing at us. We'll show them, r-right guys?

>....g-guys?
>....r-right?

>>1769581
Your studies look fine, what are you talking about.
Start drawing more dynamic poses though.

>>1769581
Tentacle sodomy schoolgirl what?

>>1769587
dude nice

>>1769581
>Working hard, everyone?

I didn't draw today and it's 3am. I feel bad 'bout it.

>>1769593
then just make a little doodle, anon

>>1769581
you should work construction excercises on paper
and do 100 of them without a time limit, slowly and steady
then do them in 5 min each then in 2 min each

you will have gotten a lot better by then

I just bought this book as my first ever drawing book, is it an okay starting book for somebody who can't even draw a straight line?

I started the first chapter and it says to master each skill before moving on. So far it says to just draw until you can get a straight line, should I just keep practicing that and then move on?

>>1769598
You should scan it.

>>1769601
get your own, po' ass nigga, lol

>>1769598
Yes you should. Being able to make ellipses, lines and other marks consciously and confidently is an important first step. Fill up a shit load of pages with lines and circles and you'll be ready to continue.

>>1769586
Glad anon-kun thinks so, I was so worried!~

These simple poses are more or less just me trying to get comfortable with the process to better play around.

>>1769593
What this anon said here: >>1769594

Just start with a doodle and add to it. When it goes from doodle to legit study, maybe post?

>>1769595
I do this whenever I'm in class breaks or during review lectures. Just whip muh phone out and open my folders of naked ladies and commence the gesture session.

Definitely helps to loosen my lines and feel out poses.

Is it fine if I post some relatively recent quick doodle-esque studies here?

>>1769601
It was only 40 bucks on amazon, the hard cover.

>>1769603
Thank you, I will continue with the beginning exercises.

>>1769586
Glad anon-kun thinks so, I was so worried!~

These simple poses are more or less just me trying to get comfortable with the process to better play around.

>>1769593
What this anon said here: >>1769594

Just start with a doodle and add to it. When it goes from doodle to legit study, maybe post?

>>1769595
>construction excercises on paper
Actually just started doing this recently. Personally I feel it helps ding right after gesture sessions since my feelerino senses have been shifted into maximum overdrive, letting me feel out shape and even foreshortening to some degree.

just a question

it is better to start study men or women ?

>>1769598
>tfw no stores in Canada sell this

>>1769598
>So far it says to just draw until you can get a straight line, should I just keep practicing that and then move on?

Do as you prefer. It's not that you can't go back later.

Ib4molars are wrong
fuck you

Only thing I did today. Real life called. Also not feeling really motivated. Realism is so hard.

how do i learn how to draw bodies?
where i can start learning gesture?
and proper muscle anatomy?
is proper muscle anatomy the best way to learn how everything works right?

how can i draw bodies in the mean time while learning all that
and now that we're at it, how the fuck can i learn to color properly on sai?
also posting progress

>>1769598

I just got that book today too. Probably not very helpful right now though, because I've just been working on making smooth curves, confident lines and forms in a 1 point perspective. All things i could do without the book.

But it's getting there. For anyone interested in this book, it appears to mainly be about line work and perspective. No chapters on shading/values or anything like that, and nothing on figure drawing. I've got a Hampton pdf tho, so if i want to work on figure drawing i can just hop between the two.

Done with this shit. Yes it's shit I know. At least I fucking learned a lot, ya?

Next will be a dynamic pose. Something slutty because why the fuck not?

How do these gestures look? I feel like I'm getting some things right by exaggerating what would otherwise look like stiff poses, but on the other hand I can't tell if I'm on the right path. I tried Proko's instruction for these

>>1769816
post in this thread
>>1758685

>>1769818
post in this thread
>>1758685

>>1769727
go to the practice section of the sticky and practice every day

How am I supposed to GIT GUD when I'm a full time engineering student. Will I ever be able to even come close to making decent drawings?

>>1769832
i dropped out of engineering
best thing ive ever done im my life

>>1769842
I need money though and I have a decent GPA

>>1769822
By that logic, why would this thread even exist, silly faglord?

>:^)

You're the "terrible" critique anon, aren't you?
>no anon
>YOU are the terrible

>>1769822
>>1769823
By that logic, why would this thread even exist, silly faglord?

You're the "terrible" critique anon, aren't you?
>no anon
>YOU are terrible
>inside
>:^)

>>1769832
>>1769842
Shit guys, I'm honestly thinking in giving up on all this drawing bullshit and study engineering.

>>1769832
Any non-slow (no offense) engineering student has free time to draw even after a job and social life. I know. I am one. I do all that stuff.

Take a look at what you do throughout the day. Do you do anything for entertainment? Gaming, TV, et cetera? Fapping? Cut that shit out/back. Drop a hobby if you have to. How many hours do you sleep every night? Eight is nice but not necessary. It all depends on how much you WANT to git gud.

>>1769724
Another one since I can't sleep. I think I'm improving.

Can anyone see what's off with my proportions? I'm working without a reference.

before I continue on could someone be kind enough to tell me what is "off"?

I feel I fucked up the chest, left shoulder and bicep
and lower leg right leg looks too small

Beginner here, about half way through keys to drawing.

I'm slowly improving but what I'm really working towards is improving my drawing so I can start doing pixel art for some games.

Am I on the right track, should I keep doing what I'm doing, start working exclusively on pixel art?? If you could help guide me it would be a huge help!

Why must I fail in every endeavour? Even with step by step instructions all of my shit looks fucked.

>>1770047
I would say it's pretty good anon

Ill show my support to mai fellow /ic/ beginning nigs. Im a beginner on /ic/ AND /a/. And this thread turn out to be a giant dick slap to the face. I thought I was finally doing good by starting with "Perspective Made Easy", but now, I have to reset what little progress I made all over by starting out with the books like "The Keys of Drawing" and "drawing on the right side".

But I think that I finally learned the first lesson of drawing: realizing that you are doing everything wrong.

My biggest problem is that I always think that I am better than I really I am, and I think that I go through da books too fast(ive been attempting to learn how to draw for about 2 years). My challenge right now is trying to balance the hours between clearing my backlog and drawing. I set up a system where when Im watching shitty anime, Ill draw while watching it, and when the anime is entertaining, I dont draw.

And as for my goals, I want to one day make webcomics that jokes about anime that /a/nons would find funny, and I want to make 3D hentai , because fapping has always been a special part of my life. I think my ideal goal is to make my art look like an anime figurine irl, or like it came just right out of Mario 64. But on the other hand, I heard that style comes naturally, so go figure. So, I hope that every other beginner in this thread and me become good-tier drawers around 5 years. I want us to one day be da Akatsuki of /ic/.(And no, Im not talking about being a bunch of circle jerking tripfags who spam this thread). I notice that every other beginner's personal story motivates me, so I figure that Id make one for this thread.

>>1770079

Lol I'm not big into anime, but as soon as I can draw it well enough I'm going to write and draw some LOGH strips because I think they would be hilarious.

>>1770061

Nah it's all fucked up and wonky compared to the book.

>>1770084

Also I guarantee my "quality to time" ratio is like... the worst in the world.

>>1770084
>LOGH
Im tempted to put LOGH on my backlog, but the thing that is holding me back is (pic). I try to avoid titles that are ONLY popular on /a/. Yes, I am indeed a jew who is looking for the best deal of shekels from his anime.

But Im glad that I met someone here who has the same ideals/struggles as me. Just think, we have to get good at drawing comics AND writing funny spoofs. I think Im gradually getting better though. At first, my writing sounded like shittier versions of Dragon Ball P, but after listening to Weird Al's philosophy, I try to be more "clever" with my spoofs. Its like im on some balance of being too random like DBP and being to clever like... idk, british people. Not to sound like a snob, but right now, I try to avoid using 4chan terms and references as much as possible to maintain some originality in my writing.

I use the word balance, because I do think that Taoism is the best form of philosophy. I spell it taoism instead of daoism because it looks and sounds cooler with a T.

>>1770085
>>1770085
That's completely normal. Did you expect to git gud overnight?

>>1769818
You're capturing the shape way to much. You're drawings are more contour drawings rather than gesture.

Think of it this way, how can you capture the feel of the motions within the figures with the least amount of lines? That's how I go about it, at least.

I'm trying to draw hair. I've followed the Proko video, but I I'm pretty far from doing something decent.

>>1770110
Ignore the sample size which means nothing and look at it this way, about 1/6.5 people dropped Naruto whereas only 1/9.6 or so dropped LOGH

>>1770047
>tfwiktfb

Mistakes and failures are actually opportunities for improvements, anon. Would you rather be a deluded kawaii-style DtArt?

>>1770079
Honestly I used to think making hentai was a waste of talent and never really regarded it for it's obvious merits. But between the time I started drawing seriously and looking at various porn online, my opinions shifted. Now every time I see some half-assed or barely inspired l-lewd pics, instant boner killer.

You better make porn that'll shit all over people like shadman, seriously.

>>1770126

Haha nah, I guess not, my progress seems adequate for the week I've been drawing

Some more I just did, I'm going to do 12 more of these suckers and then sleep. I'm happiest with this page so far.

>>1770142
for now, stay with pencil and paper.

>>1770164

is it bad to start with digital?

>>1770159
hmm. Well, I dont think I want to dedicate all of my work to hentai. Really the only reason I wanted to draw hentai is just because I sometimes get thoughts like,"Hmm, I bet it would look hot to see Tayuya licking a penis", but other than that, the part I mention about hentai is sort of a joke. Not that I dont want to draw Tayuya's BJ one day, its just a dream for now. My main goal is just to master writing funny shit that talks about anime and illustrating it for the internet. But Im probably not even going to be thinking about stuff like this until about 2 years later since Im just on "keys to drawing" as of now.
>>1770149
meh, I pretty much try to just watch whats popular. There are of course some obscure titles that I really want to watch one day like (pic). But the difference is, I want to watch Zatch Bell because so far Im interested in long ass shonens, the cover art looks cool, and I think it sort of has a plot of Rozen Maiden. While with LOGH on the other hand, the only thing that really motivates me to watch it is just because most of /a/ has seen it and its similar to code geass.

>>1770170
I second this. Everyone keeps on saying that it is bad to start on a tablet and that you should start with huge ass drawing paper and expensive pencils. But from what ive seen, its not like drawfags 1st draw on a piece of paper 2nd scan it 3rd trace it in photoshop and 4th upload it to 4chan. They all start from scratch using a tablet.

I guess what Im really trying to get at is: is there actual horrible before and after results of artists who started working on a tablet instead of a piece paper? I mean, so far, all I just read are warnings for not starting out with a tablet, but no actual evidence. I just have not seen a argument that has convinced me yet. I could start using paper, but it just seems a lot more convenient using photoshop + tablet.

>>1769898
The left calf is not well defined given how muscular the rest of the body is, also the left arm looks awkwardly hidden, its position doesn't match the rest of the body pose

>>1770210
Sorry I meant right instead of left - otherwise I like you draw style

Another shitty hand by yours truly.

>>1770298

>>1770351

Holy shit that middle finger is broken

other than that looks really nice.

>>1770372
Learning to draw is the coolest shit, isn't it?

>>1770199
As a beginner and someone that works almost exclusively in tablet I feel that mark making is nonetheless faster and far more accurate with pencil and paper, and because of that I feel that you'll get more practicing done in the same amount of time. It's not necessarily that starting with a tablet is bad per se, but I feel that pencil and paper is far better for studying with and I don't think I'm alone on that. If tablet is all you have and all you're willing to work with don't feel like you're completely gimping yourself, though. Most of what admittedly little progress I've made thus far was tablet exclusive, it's just that having picked up pencil recently I've just noticed how much more I can get done when I have such intimate control of the media and how that fit the testimony I'd heard from others on the "digital vs physical" discussion.

When working on constructions, I tend to get distracted with small or lesser important shit. Makes stuff take way longer than it should, plus the real problems never get solved. Is that what people call "polishing turd"?

I'm worried I have that habit.

>>1770374
Are you sure the tablet avoiding advice isn't for normal people ? Computer addict like me is propably 10 times better with screens than sheets of paper.

You know what I need? Some kind of random generator that tells me what to study. If there's anything like that I'd totally appreciate it. Something like draw 5 cubes in 3 point perspective or copy 10 hands

or if thats too broad a generator for each fundamental. anatomy, form/construction, perspective.

I think I once tried to do once for basic shapes but the generator website I used was a fucker. Anyone got any ideas? I totally wouldn't mind investing the time to make my own, and I'd definitely share it with you all.

>>1770404
You never know till you try.

>>1770404
I thought that too. Started drawing on tablet.
Hate drawing on tablet now and only draw on paper.

>>1770404
I think no matter what you should try to spend a good amount of time doing both traditional and digital. I have so many friends who have tablets and bitch about not being good enough on a tablet. So what did you get it for? USE IT.

It's like getting a bicycle and never riding the bicycle because you dont know how to ride it.Walk all you like, you're not going to get better at riding a bike if you don't get on it.

So if you plan on using a computer for the bulk of your work, definitely use a tablet side by side with traditional work. You ARE bringing your sketchbook with you everywhere arent you?1

>>1770406
That does sound pretty cool. I think you can make something like that with Excel, but damn if I know how to do that shit.

>>1770410
I'm using a paper for quick sketches from photos etc. it's just not comfortable for me to have two windows opened on a single screen. I'm rarely leaving my house so if it's necessary I can bring my sketchbook to toilet or something.

>>1770418
If you have a tablet or a phone you can do like I do, prop it up and load quickpose or pixelovely and draw on your computer.

Absolute beginner here. I know it's shit but could someone lay some guidance on me?

Is it weird that my 2nd attempt was the best one? Im gonna try it while wearing shoes now.

>>1770499
Funny I feet without shoes too.

>>1770520
My socks make me look kawaii

>>1770499

my first attempt

>>1770542
I think yours looks better than mine cause you simplified da shapes more. Im gonna try that.

What you guys think? First attempt to make a full piece. Advice? Critiques?

>>1770547
Can you post the reference?
First thing I see is that head looks pretty big.

What is the most effective way to study things? (anatomy, construction or w/e)
I have a feeling that if I use reference to something sounds like I'm cheating in some way, I know this is dumb.

What's the most versatile/elegant way to represent shadows just with an HB pencil and an eraser?

>>1770549
sure. I had a lot of trouble with the head and the clothing. I have no idea how draw clothes and I'm worried about painting them too.

>>1770553
Anyone trying out human anatomy might want to use this website to practice. Haven't tried it myself since I'm not at this level yet but it seems promising and you might want to give it a look.
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>1770547
Clean lineart tried to fix few errors.

>>1770554
Crosshatching is the only thing i think you can do with only a HB pencil.
There's no way to shade with ONLY HB without getting that metallic glow of graphite plus HB is too hard so to make things darker you'll end up destroying the paper.

>>1769598

I wish premium fags would stfu about this book already, who are you even addressing in this post? too many anons around here cant afford it and so few actually have it. If you don't have the slightest decency to properly scan it and share it with everyone then you and the 3 others who got it need to stop bulling it out of your dick holes every time someone mentions the word "perspective", Unless ofcourse you're intending to troll..in that case mods really gotta interfere and end this shit reposting.

>>1770555

>>1770575
Thank you very much.

>>1770554
You can do it with an hb, but your range of values are going to be much lower with out darker pencils.

You can only go so dark with hb.

However you can still shade with it.

What "tracing" drawing does the sticky means to cure symbol drawing? The infamous tracing or pic related?

>>1770553
You need to get rid of that feeling man. You won't get better if you don't learn what things actually look like.

Yes you have a concept of just about everything, but you need to build that "visual library", you need to learn what things actually look like or you'll end up symbol drawing.

>>1770376
Polishing a turd is finishing a piece that should be either completely restarted or scrapped all together.

Are you using references? Your constructions on a good start bit our hips/ thigh area needs some work.

From the looks of it your not really getting into anything construction wise that you shouldn't.

>>1770047
Your actually not doing to bad anon, don't get frustrated, you'll end up discouraging yourself.

Drawing is so hard I'm starting to thinking in my plan B which is opening a restaurant. I swear to god, if in one year I don't be able to draw properly, I'll give up.

>>1770587
don't give up

holy fuck, this was more tiring than I thought!

why I'm not drawing what I see?

ooo I like this note

>>1770586
Unsure how to represent the hips very well from such a pose.

Pic related w/ ref, a quick patch job a few moments after you replied. Still wonky looking to me though.

>>1770587
> Drawing is so hard
> Gonna quit in x if i didn't make it

If this is your mentality then drawing was never your passion to begin with, Don't waste anymore time and switch to restaurant right away.

>>1770619
Anon, I love drawing, there's nothing I want more than draw those pieces inside my head but you always need a plan B. I draw everyday (since april), doing my best, trying to fix my mistakes but I'm starting to believe I'm not smart enough for draw well.

>>1770621
Hey I have been drawing an hour everyday for the past 2 years, and I only just found out a week ago I was doing everything wrong and that I would have to start from scratch. Every deadline you ever had in drawing will be delayed by years, you just got to get over it, anon.

>>1770622
Jesus. That's scary.

>>1770622
I don't get this, how does someone "draw wrong" like that? I mean, there's deviantart tier drawing of course but I'm assuming you're better than that at least.

>>1770624
yep. Giant ass waste of time I did there. I just did not have any of the right teachers. Hell, when I visited /ic/ for the first time, I had too much of an ego to just start from scratch all over again. But now, Im trying to be the best /ic/ beginner there can be, by trying to grow with every other beginner ITT.

Yep, even though I put in the 2 years worth of work, Im no better than 2 days worth. You always have to make sure you are learning the right things.

>>1770628
nope, I was a jackass of drawing. Im not sure I was specifically drawing from symbolism, but I everything I was doing was pretty much wrong.

Call me a retard or not, but honestly, just looking at the images I drew a year ago right now... they were full blown autistic. I wanted to show you some, but gawd, I just dont even want to look at it right now in fear that it will taint my current progress. Its not anything anime related though.

Holy fuck, I just want to forget about everything I drew those past 2 years now. *shivers* The only thing I could say is,never try to self study without a PROPER book.

Today's acheivement. Drawn from a picture but not traced.

>>1770642
Protip: "never" draw/paint on a white surface, it fucks up your values.

>>1770649
What color would you suggest? Im gonna change my background color to it.

>>1770650
Anything would do. Though it would be propably most helpful to use, for black and white monochrome, something greyish, as a midtone.

>>1770661
how about this (pic)?

some posemaniacs exercise

>>1770649

Thanks, I see what you mean.

How exactly drawing contours will heal my symbol drawing?

>>1770751
Because you draw what you see, not what you think you see. Symbols come from the brain, not from the eye.

Alright, I'm mad. WHY my proportions are ALWAYS off and HOW I fix it?

Can someone explain what "symbol" drawing means?

>>1770762
You think "muscle" instead of "line". Maybe.

There should be a pattern in the mistakes in proportions you make, like, you always draw the forehead larger than needed but only in 3/4 perspective portraits.
Do you practice drawing isolated parts of a body a lot?

Not inspired. Maybe I just to sleep.

>>1770771
It's like drawing an object you don't really understand. Pic related, instead of drawing a real, proper eye, that guy drew a picture of rough image of an eye from his memory.

Does anyone have a image similar to this but for drawing a girl's ass?

>>1765657

>>1770771
it's something only people on /ic/ bother with

it isnt a concept anywhere else

>>1770605

>>1770869
It isn't something /ic/ just bothers with. I've seen it in a couple drawing books. Drawing on the right side of the brain has a chapter on it.


The brain collects visual symbols that represent images we have seen. The older we get, the larger our symbol bank becomes. We stop noticing things around us--we think we already know what they look like.

Teacher demo: Teacher draws a symbol of mountains. This is what the left brain has decided mountains look like. Show kids a picture of mountains. Looking at the photo with the right brain, what differences do you notice in the lines of this image? Show kids a painting of a mountain landscape. Did artist use right or left brain? Do the same symbol demo, photo and painting discussion of lines using a person and then a tree. All of these symbols and paintings were drawn using lines. If you can draw a line, you can draw ANYTHING. The artistic skill here is not whether or not you can draw a line, it is learning to draw the lines you really see, rather than the ones you THINK you see. Let's train your right brain to observe the world before you draw any lines.

I think the ones where I used porn as a reference look better, any glaring faults?

>>1770887
>Drawing on the right side of the brain

that book is a joke

>>1770850

Look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scR4fIseBv8

>>1770909
Yeah, I'm not really one for the whole left vs right thing, but it has a lot stuff that good for beginners.

>>1770621
If this is true then your plan B will do you nothing but distract you from your goal, A plan B should be a different approach to achieve what you want the most.

Stick with drawing until you git gud, and you WILL git gud, Just keep your chin up and stay motivated. Don't let self doubt get the best of you.

Just lined this in, can someone crit me before I detail and render it

>>1771009
seems like the angle of that border thing over the circular window is too acute and that throws off the perspective a bit.

>>1771009

I'm trying to figure out how you did that.
It seems like you used different points for the tower and different ones for the house...

You don't maybe have the construction page saved?

I need a honest opinion here, to know what to do from now on. I'm improving? Others posts from me:

>>1770833
>>1769880
>>1769724
>>1768984
>>1768688
>>1768670

>>1771270
I don't think you can make an improvement just by doing three set of drawings.

>>1771109

>>1771306

Fuck, now that I look at it my tower is looks off center

I've been working on the book for a while and im still stuck at this part for a good month now, I don't think I'm making any progress or taking anything thing from this, I feel as if I were to draw everything without following this book I'd likely make better progress.

Can anyone please help me out? I'm really trying hard to get better at drawing people and just anything from my imagination.

>>1771283
so this is a no. At this rhythm do you think I'll improve at all?

>>1771109
>>1771009
>>1771306

Bit of a fix

>>1770878
I need to review this when I'm not dead on my feet. Even though I've been reviewing it for the past 3-4 hours, nothing can really resonate in my current state.

>pic related
All I can muster. I get it in my mind but the hands and eyes cannot function atm.

How I learn to draw a perfect circle and others forms? All my drawings proportions are fucked because I can't draw the forms properly.

>>1771351
well a good circle took me about 8 months of drawing... keep at it! Just whatever you can conjure up so long.

>>1771376
>8 months
shit shit shit I'm fucked.

>>1771381
Just use whatever lopsided circle you can so long. But always try to make a circle in one stroke and then either correct abit or just eraser and draw a new one.

>>1771322
It still looks odd. Especially the above-the-clock part.

Is there an easier method of face construction than loomis? I can't do it anons. I really can't.

>>1771393
Not sure if it is easier for you but I found Michael Hampton's approach in his book Figure Drawing - Design and Invention to be easier to understand.

>>1771398
Reading it right now. Will post results.

>>1771398
Eh. I guess it does but I'm so dense so my faces still looking like shit. This doesn't look good does it. Thanks for helping but I don't think I have what it takes to draw a face. Not even hampton can help me.

>>1771413
Oh just keep practicing anon, try to avoid drawing faces front on, its harder to get a sense of volume that way. Its not something you'll get instantly or in a matter of days too, keep your chin up.

>>1771416
> try to avoid drawing faces front on, its harder to get a sense of volume that way
Oh, so that's why the fuck all books I read avoid front view so much compared to other angles. All right, I'll keep drawing from others angles. Thanks for your kind words.

>>1771389

I think it might be a problem with the construction,

I've redrawn the basics, how does it look? is it a problem with my shapes?

well how shitty is this

I don't see question thread up so I think I can ask here. How I become a "Schiele Egon"? I really dig his stuff but I don't think conventional study or method will make an artist like him.

>>1771541
What i'm looking at?

>>1769867
Get an engineering job, and then draw with your extra time. It is less stressful, and you will have LOTS of extra time and money.

The more boring the work, the more you will be paid. Drawing for yourself is exciting, but won't earn you much, writing bullshit code is boring but has stupid high pay.

>>1771548
its a seashell but it posted upside down for some reason. heres the reference

>>1771430
No I don't see an issue with that. Just remember to keep EVERYTHING in perspective. Not sure what else to say.

>>1771546
> I don't think conventional study or method will make an artist like him.

It will though. Especially learning anatomy.

> fun with a pencil
> my head shapes and tilts are always fucked

Screw this... how long until i git gud?

>>1771696

Fuckin old man piece of shit...

>>1771696

>>1769893
>I'm working without a reference.

don't

tried drawing my glasses, first time I try something purely from life. is it just me or it is basically impossible to not alter one's point of view while drawing? I snapped the photo after being finished drawing but couldn't reproduce the exact pose.
I focused a great deal on negative spaces for this one, and tried not to hang on to measuring too much this time like I did before ( eg >>1768627 ) because I get tired very quickly by measuring every single thing, and the result comes out botched nonetheless because one can slip. also I'm not really sure overthinking measurements is a good thing compared to eyeballing shapes, or if while I don't have enough experience it'd be better if I aim for maximum precision the whole time.

anyway, overall, how bad/well did I do? should I keep going this route or should I fix something in my approach before it is too late?

>>1771740
Try to do less of a "scribbling" motion when shading, it's better to shade in a more controlled stroking motion, kind of like painting with a pencil.
another thing that would help is if you drew your lines lighter so you'd have something a bit better looking. it's important to remember that in life there are no lines, just shadows moving across something or the pure shade/color in the light. try to think about how the shadows/light would work in accordance to the object.

>>1771752
thanks for the feedback!
I'll look into methods to shade with the pencil (actually I use a staedtler mars technico leadholder, always liked its feel, 2B), it is true that scribbling looks ugly and inaccurate but I can't even imagine a way of shading that doesn't resemble crosshatching. but then again I admit I wasn't too committed while drawing those shadows, so I shall be more careful next time.
I actually began with light lines but then drew over them because they were too faint to distinguish a shape. right now I'm more interested in honing my line drawing, but that should be no excuse. in hindsight it'd be better if I left the shading apart for the time being, but some shadows were forming interesting shapes and I was compelled to draw them.
I agree on principle with the fact that edges and lines are just an illusion but this hasn't sunk yet as an abstract concept, and I also have quite a few difficulties with recognizing values, so I find myself confused at times. I'll try to work on that and keep posting on these threads every other day or so. thanks again!

Can anyone offer me some advice I'm on loomis and I dont feel like Im making any progress with these characters they're having me draw, I dont get where I should place the circles for the facial structures and its really frustrating, I've been on the same part for a good month now and I don't see any progress.

>>1771740
>is it just me or it is basically impossible to not alter one's point of view while drawing?

you could try using something like pic related.

>I get tired very quickly by measuring every single thing

like everything in art there's a hierarchy you should follow when measuring.

start with the overall width length and then go into detail.

>how bad/well did I do?

very poorly. the worst mistakes aren't the inaccuracies when measuring, but the way the you cut up forms that should be connected.

look at the temples. where they are not seen they change direction.

draw all sides of an object. even if you cant see it.

make sure it's symmetrical. it's better both sides are off than only 1, because being symmetrical is an important feature of glasses.

>>1771767
Try to think about "circles" as 3D balls. At this stage it's not important if you are placing them right or wrong. You have to think about them as 3D forms.

>>1771773
I try to but when the end result is a 2D looking character with nothing but eyes ears and a mouth its a bit frustrating

>>1771770

>you could try using something like pic related.
I thought about it (I went through "right side of the brain" before which advised using something like that, now I'm starting over with Dodson) but I'm not sure if the complexity of it all is worth it for me. would there be any advantages/disadvantages in terms of learning with respect to, say, using a reference picture with a frame drawn upon?

>start with the overall width length and then go into detail.
ok, so at least I got the first part right. I estimated the width and length of the "bounding box" of the glasses but then I forgot the rest, I'll try a hierarchical approach.

>look at the temples. where they are not seen they change direction.
this is very true and I kind of noticed that while drawing, but everything I read stressed upon the necessity of drawing what is effectively seen and disregarding preconceived notions about proportions, directions and perspective - and this makes sense, seeing that the lens distorts what's behind it. then again what you say:
>draw all sides of an object. even if you cant see it.
>make sure it's symmetrical. it's better both sides are off than only 1, because being symmetrical is an important feature of glasses.
makes as much sense, but clashes with the aforementioned things since if I can't see part of an object then my eyes don't have that part of visual information, and true parallelism is found only in an orthographic projection which can't be real by definition. not saying either is right or wrong, but I think I need some time to make it sink and find a middle ground which contradicts neither.

and thank you for the feedback, I appreciate you taking the time for it. :)

>>1771546
Mastering conventional drawing is the best, easiest and most direct way for approaching this. The things i'd focus on to adopt this style would be line quality and what kind of exaggerations he does. Not very hard to do compared to copying painters.

>>1771767
leave loomis for a moment, concentrate on get skiled in perspective, drawing simple shapes from any angle.
You may think that's a retarded tasks, but i'm sure you're not able to draw an image at full page of cubes in various position.
http://www.flashandmath.com/flashcs4/cs4simple3d/

>>1768361
How about the Complete Guide to life Drawing from Bammes instead?

>>1771800
Instead of the human atlas, I mean.

>>1768330
Your plan is shit and you'll start cutting wrists after a month.

You should steadily practice and improve yourself, but not abuse yourself. Art is a profession of as much suffering as it is enjoyment, and there is no need to push yourself to further punishment.

It wouldn't benefit you, it'll ruin you and your love for it. At least do these kind of things once you get paid for it.

>>1771823

Well I'm a week in so far... I'll report back in August.

Here is the MAGNUM OPUS of my drawing so far.

If I put in 600 hours in two months I'll git pretty gud right?

>>1769547

>>1771837
Holy shit, thanks. I was struggling with this fucking ball for 2 days..

I've been doing these 4 hours now, occasionally reading Hampton in between small breaks, although I think I should maybe take a long break now since my hand is starting to cramp.

I've actually done a ton more of these, but didn't save them (i'd do a gesture, hide the layer, make a new layer, rinse and repeat). I have no preference but I'd delete some and save others.

At the very least, I've upgraded from stick figures to contours for the 30-second gestures, now I just need to work on defining the mass more.

How in the fuck do people retain good line quality on a tablet by the way? It feels so slippery.

>>1770573
stfu you faggot.

there are enough people here who have it. you are just a vocal minority throwing a hissy fit because you dont pay for it.for some reason you expect others to spend their own money and destroy the book so you dont have to buy it

>i cant afford it
>continues to use his internet and high end gaming pc

it's all a matter of priorities

>>1771846
>How in the fuck do people retain good line quality on a tablet by the way? It feels so slippery.

paper on workspace.

>>1771857
or practice and experience, plus texture brushes that make the lines not so perfect.

>>1770573
It's not fucking expensive at all. If you can't afford it, maybe you should spend less time drawing and more time acquiring dollars.

This (pic) is what I think symbol drawing is.

>tfw these beginner feels
:( only thing produced today.

>>1771925

>>1771927
th-thanks, m8

>>1771927
Her eyes are not in proper perspective and it looks like some ancient Egyptian painting. The nose and mouth look kind of weird too, but I'm not proficient enough to really comment on them as I feel the eyes twist the whole thing up. Work on making the head look like the sphere-thing it is, not a flat surface.

>>1771934
Nose is not in the right position, too. Atm I work without an erasor at all to force myself to notice mistakes like e.g. the right eye should have been more 'bent' and put into perspective.
(no, actually it's just m-muh style)

>>1771927
>Take the original 1.87MB bloated sketch
>rotate it
>reduce dimensions a bit
>It's now 3.36MB
Amazing work mate.

>>1771939

How the hell do I find the correct vanishing points to something that's basically cropped? Something like a human body? I've tried reading books but my mind can't grasp the concept, especially when this shit's got me contemplating suicide every 5 seconds.

>>1771971
>can't grasp the concept, especially when this shit's got me contemplating suicide every 5 seconds
You should fap

>>1771971
i don't get it.

care to elaborate?

>>1771981
I think he just killed himself

>>1771981
I'm not quite sure just how to find the perspective in a figure or object. Or at least I can't come up with any sure-fire way to check if everything in a picture aligns appropriately.

I can make a perspective drawing from scratch, I just can't see it in something already present, especially if it's strangely shaped or oddly posed.

The only explanation I can come up with is breaking things into simple shapes and using lines to see where it all converges but then I feel like I need to simplify into specific shapes and draw them properly.

>>1771973
No, anon. Fapping i9sn't always the answer. I mean it usually helps, but not this time.

>>1771993
It'd be a lot quicker than my typing speed. That's for sure.

>Prespective made easy. p49
>It is good drawing to place the vanishing points well apart.
>If the points are close together the drawing is not of a square object; it is diamon shaped. THis is called "violent" or "warped" perspective.
>Place the points a long way apart.

Can someone explain a bit more this part?
Why that happens?
How far is enough?
How select vanishing points (in 2 and 3 points prespective)?

>>1770909
Only it's scientific arguments are a joke. It's the premier beginners drawing book.

>>1771996
it depends on the size of the canvas and the distance to the viewer.

it's hard to explain in words.

it's perspective projection, basically math.

>>1772028
Precisely, maths are easy to explain (although they can be hard to understand).

I mean, in technique drawing, assuming you want to be perfect, which would be the proper way to choose the vanish points of the different objects oyu want to draw?
(I know that you'd never do that in a sketch, but, being able to understand it is the key, isn't it?)

>>1772039
*technical drawing

>>1772039
This. I've been wondering too.

>>1772039
>>1772044
i'm gonna take a shit then i'll try to explain it

>>1772051
The suspense!

>>1771996
It helps to understand mechanical perspective and station points. The book talks about it a bit towards the end, but it gets a little complicated and I don't know it well enough to explain properly.

>>1772051
it's just the distance to the picture plane multiplied by the tan of the angle.

so if you look at an object and project it on paper that you want the viewer to look at at a distance of 1 meter, and the object is right angled and turned by 45°,

you need to place both vanishing points 1m*tan(45°)=1m apart from the viewpoint.

as you can see you you won't fit 2 90° vanishing points of the same object on 1 image in most cases.


if you don't know how big an object should be in an image you can use math as well.

you just multiply the length of the dimension of the object you want to project on the image by the the distance from the viewer to the image divided by the distance from the viewer to the object.

so if your image is 1meter away and your object is 2 meters away and the object is 0.5 meters long it would be 1/2*0.5m=0.25 meters long on paper.

>>1772083
many thanks.

To tell you the truth, I didn't get it only with your post, but googling for "vanish point tan angle distance" there are some articles with diagrams that makes it easy to understand.
(I'd tried googling before, but without the the proper words).

>>1772102
oh well

i tried making an image explaining it but i scrapped it, because i don't know how to digital.

I think I got something going on here.

Protip: When you study so hard that you start hearing voices in your head, probably time to take a break.

I drew these three pages today as well as about ten faces from fun with a pencil. Are doing these sorts of practice drawings worth it as a beginner? I'm thinking of looking up different textures and forms every day and doing multiple full page doodles for a few hours just to work on my hand strength and line control. Thoughts?

1/3

>>1772109

2/3

>>1772111

3/3

When I do the 3d shape things I draw the outline and then go over it as accurately as I can six or seven times to try and get my lines better. I think it is helping.

>>1772108
am i dreaming or is this stupid. Why is there a two point perspective on a figure

Someone

>>1772211
I thought it would be 2 point because her body is twisted

>>1772211
I'd ask you to enlighten me since clearly you seem baffled as to why someone would do this but-
>Why is there a two point perspective on a figure
>Someone
Quite frankly you come across as some shit spouting mongoloid who can't even form a question without making someone want to slap your shit.

Anyways, it's partly as >>1772238 says. I also wanted to see how the lines of simplified objects align and give dimension, if that makes sense.

Last iteration because I want to do something else.

How I learn perspective? "Perspective made easy" doesn't help me. I'm sorry.

>>1772295
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ViVkHMfidk&feature=kp

Helped me start out.

Anybody have this series of book in english?

New thread >>1772363

How detailed should a 30 second gesture be?

I've been told to avoid the hands and feet, and just generalize the head as an oblong sphere. Is this the correct way or what?

Sometimes I fear I may be mentally deficient to ever understand these concepts of space and perspective, every time I see these things brought up I just can't get my mind to visualise in 3d space, I just see the paper and that is all I can see.

>>1772290
do you draw from the pic or from the reality?