/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Doing the thumbs for a new painting. I've done at least 20 at this point but am starting to narrow it down.

So, left or right?

Here's an illustration I'm working on. Still miles to go.

I've been practicing for maybe 4 days

>>1758665
pic related. my reference for the lighting/colors.

>>1758663
right

>>1758665

not getting a clear read from the perspective. train is super vertical, kid is kind of rotated and feet not aligned, both of which don't exclude one another but then the little post and stick thing kind of confuse everything.

>>1758672
>>1758665
Feels like the problem is with that box on the left. I don't mind the train being straight, I think it's cool honestly, but you should add a few more objects to define the perspective better.

>>1758650

I started this one testing shapes around and see if I could come up with something interesting enough to pursue a finished piece.

Added some minor details since the OP image and darkened the sky in order to create a more sea-storm-like atmosphere.

As always C&C are more than welcome/

>>1758668
Cool, any suggestions?

experimenting with new brush

Can't tell what's wrong on this

>>1758709
I can't tell what's right on this

wip

>>1758674
hard to say much, but I think it's a bit too black considering how far away the viewer is

finished drawing this money hungry faggot

>>1758719
you're cute, the doddle not so much.

>>1758666
Keep going anon. Lurk here to see what exercises and studies other people do and why it helps, and then try learn in the same ways. Reading the sticky helps too.

Well. The idea is to do a series of "Ladies in Folklore" and this is my version of a banshee. My shitty computer had a fit again and compressed my layers, but ah well. This is for no other purpose other than my enjoyment anyway. Plan to do a bit more with textures for grungy look when I get there. Yeah.

>>1758663

I actually prefer the left because to me the right looks very generic. I like how the one on the left has more of an air of mystery to it because the person is not a focus, merely a part of a whole. Hope that makes sense.

>>1758716
Really like the one on the far right. Extremely creepy and mmm dem teeth.

>>1758709
looks fine

>>1758766
nah I get it. I'm going to do a few more thumbs after I recieved some crit from my friend. He said that I should decide on putting focus on either the ceiling or the floor, which I kinda agree with. He used this pic as reference.

I decided i need to do digital studies because I don't want to be a complete scrub about those. Gona post what I did today

This was from a Greek painter's work

just finish this one, don´t judge me

Second one has reference atleast. random piece I pulled out of my art folder

>>1758775
>don't judge me

Then why post it here?

Third one is WIP, but its coming along... eh,

>>1758777
I´m talking about the thematic (no homo), not the drawn

>>1758709
Left side plane turning angle is more abrupt and defined.

Nose is off. I would say the same about his jaw but it seems that you are trying to do somethinhmg else there.

>>1758716

Good point. Thanks

Nice doodles btw

>>1758775
I'm totally judging you right now, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Looking for some advice before I proceed with painting and adding color. I don't like the way the waist wrap looks at all, so definitely changing that.

>>1758665
nice. looking forward to the finished version

i need to stop getting high and drawing.

I'm going to start doing more charcoal still life pictures soon to get my skill up, but I just felt like contributing something. I just started digital drawing this summer.

>>1758665
kid should probably be darker in value. he doesn't match his surroundings.

>>1758855
I like it. Go darker in value, the grays used all seem similar.

Does anyone know how to restart your wacom driver so you don't have to restart your computer when it fails? It's fun to paint without any size jitter and opacity (pic related). But it'd be preferable to be able to turn it on and off in some way, since there are things that I find look better without the jitters enabled. Just thought it could be interesting to play around with as a whole workflow (Block-in in pure values turn on jitter and start mixin').

>>1758663
Is it just a man exploring a cave, the right one suggests he has a specific goal in mind. Buut are you really playing around with it enough?

Have you tried placing the light at the top of the screen, like he was headed to the surface? What happens if he's facing away from us and when he is in the foreground, what about middleground?
What happens if we reverse it and he's going away from the light into the cave? He'd have a lightsource with him in any case wouldn't he? Or can he see in the dark?

What if the light is on the bottom? (warning recquires 3 point perspective)

I find both of them to have a weird split in the middle. The left one being worse since it looks like he's standing next to a pillar, where's the sense of space between him and whatever it is that's glowing?

Some thoughts. Also you don't have to use black as your darkest value when you're planning out value thumbs, try something 80% black and then use pure black for dark accents. It's more real that way.

>>1758674
Boat + monster has been done a lot, try looking at what others have done with the idea. "Sea monster" comes up with some cool results.

It's hard to make out what it is though-- try to work in a lighter value space (more towards mid tone, actually just paint in mid tones and keep your lights and darks seperated cleanly)

Have you ever done a 3 tonal study? It's where you have Lights one value, darks another (darker ofcourse) And a third for the background. The idea is to (cont)

>>1758884
1. Go to Start
2. Type "Services"
3. Find Wacom something something something
4. Hit the thing that says restart.
5. It should work now.

Anyways I'm: >>1758663

The light is actually that white ball that's sorta hovering around there. I'll better indicate it with some rays or something to make it more obvious. I'd like to keep the ball-light in the picture somewhere.

And I'm def gonna do some more thumbs tomorrow when I'm less tired.

Drawing issues lalalala

>>1758674
(Cont)
have a very acurate light map, that is solved in midtone. You can then change the bg around to to something that aids the whole. (If your BG is the same value as the darks, what happens - what if it's the lights?) Digital makes it much easier to experiment with this :)

>>1758699
Nice, but why are the eyes inconsistent with the rest? If you had painted the eyes in the same style of the rest of the image it would look much more "complete". The eyes feel cut in, not molded from the face.

>>1758774
It is very hard to transform blacks into color since black as a value neutralizes color. The masters who did b/w comp to full color usually didn't work with blacks, or if the did they never attempted to color it.

Try and be more acurate in your drawing. That doesn't mean a line drawing, just more acurate placement of shapes and relative values. Remember if something looks off in a painting it's 80% of the time the drawing that's off.
15% the values and 4% the colors, the rest is mystery and never comes up anyway.

>>1758887
cool thanks.

If it's a ball of light you'd have an easier time showing it if it interacted with the environment. Right now the chasm that it's lighting up is so isolated it looks like a door. You could just take a soft brush and lightly indicate it's an orb for starters.

Try and have it behind things partially. You could arrange the stalacites so that it's obvious it's a light source. Many ways to handle it.

was working on this today. i have to fix the face for sure. but im still happy with it so far. any opinions would be great

>>1758890
Thanks, I'll take that advice in mind.

Right now I'm more worried about getting the general composition to work. I wish I had better/more knowledge of artists who did something similar.

>>1758674
Here's a study process by Thorsten. Look at how at the second step the image is basically done. He could have stopped there and it would have worked.

I suggest doing a few studies like this, keep the three values on a seperate layer so you can't mix them at all. Then you can use the different layer tools in photoshop to see what happens when:

You bring the values closer
You bring the values further apart.
You join the BG with the light or the dark

A thing to note though, extreme lightning situations like pure black darks // pure white lights often recquires jaggy shapes to balance themselves out.

Just do a bunch of these studies (to the second step no further!). You can use studies you've already done the lines for. This is a great way to learn and see for yourself how lights and darks work.

>>1758896
Google cave exploration.

Always look at life if you're in doubt, and since you don't have any caves nearby (presumed by the way you actually drew a cave) just go and look at images. Look, don't draw but look carefully.

What shapes are prominent in different caves - some are created by water trickling through, they have very smooth shapes (if they don't have stalactites(spelling?)). Some are made by lava, very rough texture.


Draw from imagination. Like you're dreaming onto the page. When you're stuck go fetch the rules (the studies, the perspective grids, the specific refference) untill you're no longer stuck, then go back and dream onto the paper.

You can never know enough about yours subjects.

>>1758902
Believe me, I'm sitting on top of a shit ton of thumbs and refs.

Anyways, while there's certainly a good chunk of cave refs I've found, the problem with most of them usually boiled down to them being shot in very bland, boring caves, or very open areas with nothing really around. Not a whole lot of different angular steeps or such, at least not that I've found.

That said, I'm more so focused on how to arrange the composition in the larger scheme of things. How to have the eye move around in a specific way whilst maintaining the cave appearance.

>>1758902
Thanks a lot for the advice. I will try doing this kind of study since so far I just try to match the reference as much as I can I will also change the cliched theme/composition too.

Resumed this piece today.

Little quick sketchy I drew from a reference, guess who. I haven't invested in a tablet and am just a hobbyist. Whats good, whats bad; gimme the dirt.

Reposting from the old thread, don't even care:
Mhu first experiment with values.
I feel like i used too much time on this due to a bad understanding of how the software works:
I pretty much did it everything with 100% opacity and 23% flux, color picking only from the palette, changing continuosly the brush size and not using the pressure sensibility of my cheap wacom. Could i did this in a smarter and faster way? Any directions to share with a beginner?
>inb4: sticky
thx

>>1758924
the pose is dynamic but her face is sleepy
i don't understanad

>>1758663
>>1758905
>pygmy
Haha, I knew this was about Dark Souls. If that figure in the foreground is a hollow, maybe give him a more forworn pose, he looks too dynamic, esp. in the right thumb.

>>1758924
I don't do photo studies, but it's the approach I use when I'm looking at life. Simply doing the seperation a few times allows you to look at just about anything and then easily seeing the patterns. Squinting is hella usefull to find 'the big look'

Simply matching your study to the refference 1:1 you're loosing out on a lot of struggle (oppertunity to learn) I had a period where I painted ontop of photographs to see what details could be removed without harming the expression presented in the photo.

For studies a thing to try; have a stopwatch set it to 1-2 minutes and then whenever you do a stroke, you restart the stopwatch. Wait till it rings then make your next one. This gives you a bigger opportunity to actually look at the subject. And think about what you're really seeing.

When you're done you can do a quick painting from memory /different angle.

Too many do studies without really looking.

"There is a difference in working "at" something and working "for" something you are working for better knowledge, the goal with any study is then to be set in stone before you being or it will grant less than it could"

Quote from loomis.

>>1758763

Nothing in the picture communicates to me that this shows a banshee

>>1758945
well it's a female ghost, an omen of death, that washes the armor of fallen soldiers to announce that their time is coming

but i agree with you, it needs to get the whole ghost thing better across. right now it might just be a stylised woman, it's a good pic though

>>1757525
I think I underped her face. Any second opinions on it?

>>1758946
Not the guy you replied to but its also something that wails when people have/areabout to die, so maybe cover her mouth with gauze/bandages and have her face creepily screaming?

>>1758951
>and have her face creepily screaming?

that's what you get when you type in banshee in google(pic related, they all look like this).
i think the story i read on wikipedia is more interesting.

the german wikipedia has a better section on banshee than the english wiki (imo):

>In den meisten Beschreibungen ist sie eine alte Frau, seltener auch jung und schön. Sie wird häufiger gehört als gesehen: Sie setzt sich meist einige Tage vor dem Tod eines Familienmitglieds vor das Fenster der Familie und weint (banshee wail). Dabei erscheint die Banshee vorzugsweise am Stammsitz jener alteingesessenen irischen Familie, der sie sich angeschlossen hat, selbst wenn das Familienmitglied, dem ihre Totenklage gilt, im Ausland lebt. Häufig wird sie auch am Rande von Wegen oder an Gewässern gesehen oder gehört. Die Person, deren Tod die Banshee ankündigt, hört ihr Klagen selbst nicht. Angeblich besitzt jede autochthone Familie in Irland ihre eigene Banshee.

>Die Stimme der Banshee ist ein Klagen oder Kreischen und kann manchen Interpretationen nach jeden, der sie hört, augenblicklich töten oder wahnsinnig machen. Manchmal wird sie jedoch auch als sanft und tröstend beschrieben und heißt die Seelen am Übergang ins Totenreich willkommen.

tl;dr a banshee isnt always something frightening or screaming. the article describes her as a white woman, usually old, who sits infront of a window of a family and weeps. in some stories her scream can kill everyone who hears it, in other stories she is described as more gentle that helps people to get to the netherworld

>>1758959
forgot pic

>>1758959
I actually consulted the english wiki article myself, added a bit of my own/common knowledge on what a banshee is.

Making her scream just sounds like the easiest way to go about getting the point across.

>>1758855
nice.
tumblr?

Im trying to do this landscape. The problem is that i'm not so sure about the composition, and my sister said it sucks.

Other critiques will be cool.

>>1758986
Do you have a planned focal point? My eye sort of just wanders around it and never sticks to a single spot.

>>1758989
I didn't. I guess then that's what fails.

I tried to do a sort of rest for the eye with the dark area in the front but it seems that it doesn't work.

speedster...

Struggling with hair really, feel some shadows are inconsistent but I think I got the likeness.

Wanted some ridicule before i start the background

>>1759006
the anatomy and perspective is all off

>>1759006
Sir Tilt Neck MacJewnose and his partner in crime, Babyhand McGee

>>1758993
ARBITER!

>>1759007
On it

>>1759013
how did i not see that... at least his cock feels huge

How's the proportions before I take it to the coloring stage? Please excuse the chicken scratch.

>>1759006
Might I suggest watching this quick video: http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/anatomy-3-major-masses

Feels done.

>>1759037
the way she holds the rifle, it makes the rifle look as if it didnt weigh anything.
also the rifle looks too small

>>1759037
i can't look at this, she looks fat and short. pls fix, women need to be tall and slim.

>>1759006
better?

>>1759046
>>1759037
also, dat chiseled breast shading. is she wearing a steel bra?

>>1758962
If you do choose to deviate from the standard depiction of a banshee as a screaming woman, please note that you must instead adopt some other imagery to get the grief-stricken impression across.

>>1758763
While the painting is nice, like the other anon I'm not getting "banshee" from it. It looks more like a sullen corpse bride or something. You need to do some more research.

>>1758989
And now?

>>1759049
Bullet-proof, steel plated bras. Where you at when it was invented?

>>1759046
It's a fan art of my dwarf WoW character. Pls.

>>1759038
I did try to do it otherwise, but didn't use it because of the composition. It doesn't have a better positive shape, I feel. I put aesthetics above realism usually. But I'll fold for now.

>>1758887
Never knew this before.


Thanks everybody.

>>1759064
This looks much better. Good work!
I would suggest toning down the "lens correction" frayed color edges just a bit, though. Your work would look better without it. Either that, or I would suggest a tad more sharpening to the completed project.

Hmm, aside from that, I think the sternum could use a bit more value, as well as the shirt wrinkles. That area of the torso is looking a bit flat compared to the rest of the drawing.

>>1759065
oh and remember to adjust the gun's reflection to match the new position !

>>1759065
>shirt wrinkles
I did defined it with a tad stronger values than this one, but I pulled back since I feel that it was too distracting, and the detail might clash with her face. Even the wrinkles on the current one, I feel is slightly too much. In terms of visual flow, I don't want the viewer to linger on her torso too long, and instead look straight to her face... if that made sense.

>lens correction
>gun's reflection
It was a quick fix job since I'm outside and I don't have my tablet with me, so I'm unable to smoothen things out properly. All mouse. Probably would fix it later. Thanks for the feedback!

>>1759064
Also, anybody know the model of the rifle? I used this ref. It reminds me of Baretta M82A1 in a drawing by KYMG, but looking at the magazine position, this wasn't the case. I want to use it in future paintings. Thanks again.

>>1759072
Here you go anon, source of this ref
http://mjranum-stock.deviantart.com/art/Veteran-of-the-Psychic-Wars-18-159576278

"Barrett Model 95 .50 BMG with US Optics 80mm 8-32x zoom mildot scope"

>>1759077
Lots of thanks!

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>>1759037
throw some texture on those pants; unless they're supposed to be those spandex yoga pants or something

>>1759081

contrast and value rank at the top of the compositional hierarchy. the placement of objects and diagonals they form, rank at the very bottom.

now look at the little castle in the background, and notive how its almost in complete white. yet its surrounded by ultradark tree branches, with pretty sharp edges. HUGE contrast. HUGE eyecatching effect. nobody even looks at your creature.

this image has alot of potential i think you should put some time into working out the values. to give you an idea, open the image in photoshop and hit ctrl+L to open the levels curve. you'll notice an overuse of extreme darks and extreme lights. a general guideline for beginners is to aim for a value curve that peaks at the middle, and then gently flattens out in MINIMAL/ZERO use of full white/black.

>>1759072
>>1759077
a rifle for women, figures.

WIP going to lasso the bottom and top tail halves and move them closer to the ass. Not far out of the blocking stage.

>>1759072
christ those optics probably cost twice that of the rifle

>>1758932
meh, still trying values. It will be a long journey.
This time i used only black and white, and opacity sensitivity. Again, how do you paint? Tablet pressure or not, just b/w or color picking?
pls any feedback appreciated

Cave Bro here: >>1758663

I came up with another thumb. Hoping it's better than the others. Looking for any and all feedback.

>>1759159
I am not a great artist but those blury edges are really terrible m8, put chicken scratch to the trash.

>>1759160
I like the composition, I hope you won't keep it "cartoonesque" because you really can do something good here.

>>1759169
I'm too stupid to find a good cartoon style, so I try to work realistically for the most part. I just do the flat colors and values for thumbs because it's quicker.

>>1759159
Your values are already wrong from thumbnail view.
Paint with tablet pressure on, and it's better if you practice to get the correct value without the eyedropper.

Also, your reference is not a good one to study from. It's way too flat, due to lack of highlights and shadows.
Attached is a better lighted subject. Snap your own photos if you can't find something you like online.

>>1759160
Values read well in thumbnail. One thing I find weird is that both of your focal points are really far apart from each other (both are at opposite ends of the canvas).
Is it possible to add a figure at the top of the cave?

>>1759172
No, I'd like to keep it one figure.

Maybe I could just move him up there?

>>1759172
Lemme rephrase that.

Remember how in Aladdin he's like, climbing that fucking stair case or whatever and sees the lamp and is reaching for it? Maybe I could do something like that with the figure?

>>1759168
thanks
>>1759172
thanks, yes i know, when i was at half work i realized there wasn't a single light source so just gave up to try to do a 1:1 replica.
But what do you suggest me to do everything with black without using the eyedropper, or use a 5/6 colors palette? And how do i set the flux? thanks again

>>1759174
I get what you're trying to achieve. IMO, Aladdin one works well because of it's scale. The huge rocks and stairs leading up to the lamp creates a grand atmosphere. It suggests something important and mystical that is larger than him.
I'm not sure how you're going to "move him up there" though

>>1759180
No, like manually pick out the values man. Flux?
Look, if you're really new to this, it might be better to use the eyedropper tool until you feel comfortable enough to pick out manually.

its a bunch of skelly warriors striding towards the viewer, at first i put strong lighting to get some nice contrast but i think a night scene would go along the scene better.
I dont know how to illuminate the guys i mean, if moon is behind they get rim light behind but what illuminates them? reflected moonlight or should i put some other source

some update

>>1759183
I just mean in the sense of placing him up there, crawling up to the light, reaching for it.

I think I'll do a thumb of him above the light, looking down at it.

>>1759172
k thanks

>>1759189

>>1759214
just experingmeting

skeched out my dad from life
any mistakes im unaware of?

>>1759218
The eye is too big. There is not enough here to tell you much more. Don't stop so short and you will get better critiques.

>>1759234
its just the start
im renderikng it

Please tell me everything that's wrong with this turd.

>>1759171
w8 m8, that one is yours ?

>>1759254
yeeh

I wish I was better with stroke economy. In hindsight I think it looks kinda scratchy.

>>1759218
I ruined it...

>>1759277
It was already ruined, mate. More Loomis.

>>1759280
never tried reading Loomis. Is it that good?

>>1759286
Yes. Whatever is better than studying nothing. please read the sticky and come back.

>>1758666
great, 5 to 10 years left ... minus maybe 4 days

>>1759081

>>1758719
Nice pony stuff on your dA, man

having troubles getting b&w to color to work

am i on the right track?

>>1759081
>>1759087
>nobody even looks at your creature.
Well personally I looked at the creature, but only after looking at the knight and wondering what he's fighting. And I didn't notice the castle during the few seconds I looked, I just saw the trees with some background, I guess the eye is lost in the massive alternating white/black contrast the trees make, and since there's nothing interesting in the top left I didn't check the similar top right. I agree that there's something wrong about such composition of contrast and colors, for a concept of knight vs beast, they shouldn't be lost in an uninteresting surrounding.

Here's a nice pic I found on Google 'beast vs knight', he chose to have a blurry/unshapely environment for the encounter, with very neutral colors, and saturated red/blue for the two important elements: beast and knight, so they're the immediate focus, and we notice directly the careful, beautiful details on them for a nice 1st impression of the piece, even though the rest is less remarkable when looking for details. Also, the vegetation&sword flow to&around the beast, so the eye is lead to it even more. I'm an amateur but I think that's a nice approach to the composition of a beast vs knight concept, and it could help improving it.

>>1759298
again, i have to admit, one of your better ones, even if the pose seems fairly uninteresting

i cant even tell if you have improved or i just started to hate you less

Football mummy

Blabber mouth

>>1759326
I had something much more dynamic planned but today is not a good art day.

I'm trying to improve my skills so I'm sitting and drawing bodies, anatomy and trying to Loomis it, so at the end of the day it's nice to just draw some Fran Drescher lamias and a medusa. I'm a beginner but I want to be a part anyway

>>1759377

I am reminded of both the Morrowind art guy (as I've mentioned before) but also the Groo-comic. I dig the style.

>>1759377
youire a gril

Its a photo so the quality is shit

>>1759401
Not bad. The guy on the right looks a bit skewed. His jaw is pointing outwards too much.

>>1759402
>the guy on the right
you mean neymar

Looked great when I finished it but disappointing as I compared it to the ref.

Cave bro here. Not necessarily going further into this, just wanted to see if you guys think it's working/not working.

>>1759433
yeah man that looks pretty nice. better than before to me.

>>1758891
still looking for thoughts on this. pretty much me just trying to paint without really sketching beforehand. there's stuff i need to fix haha

>>1759440
Super stiff. Sketch it out first. I used to be too lazy for it too and I didn't learn anything for a while and wondered why everything looked wrong. Do the gesture first, then build on it, then render it.

>>1759024
I touched this up. How is it?

>>1759446
Invisible.

>>1759446
>>1759447
Herp

>>1759438
I don't get it. What am I looking at?

>>1759441
thank you~ i wasnt really trying to go for a dynamic pose. though i should really do that. im pushing myself into the habit of finishing what i start so i dont have a bunch of WIPs lying around in my folders haha

>>1759312
Not really, you're still drawing in 2d. Get away from only drawing contours.

Any crits are appreciated!

>>1759450
I'm not very good so feel free to ignore me.

-her right elbow and left shoulder is mutant like. Stare at the shoulder for a while.
-she has a hunchback
-neck connection is confusing
-The left arm perhaps can't bend that far.
-Which way the left arm is actually going is weird.

Good energy though, as a gesture your original sketch would have been good.

Next time take time to draw out the basic construction, it helps for extreme positions where you have to work things out. Draw out the clavical and scapula and then add the deltoids in your sketch and you'd have a good idea of how it should look

first trad painting ever :/ used oils. I think i started with paint that was to thick.

Anyways, any general oil paints tips would be appreciated.

>>1759458
okay, thanks for the tip

>>1759527
i like it, maybe the composition is a bit noisy and the 2nd walker can be pushed back a bit in the atmosphere.

>>1759535
oil on paper ? Is that paper made for oil paintings ? If not i strongly suggest that you look up better supports

>>1759547
it says acrylic, water color, pen and pencil... so i guess not.. hmmm how is oil paper different ?

>>1759550
Has a texture to it. I wouldn't use oil paper anyways though unless you stick it on illustration board.

>>1759552
ok thx ill do some reasearch

>>1759554
You really could just make life easier by going out and buying a canvas at your local art shop. While there certainly are differences in canvases as well as making your own canvas, I wouldn't worry too much about that if you're just beginning to dab into oils.

>>1759550
i'm no scientist but I believe the idea is that basically the oil in oil paint will seep out and eat through the regular paper in time, and oil painting paper is treated in such a way to be resistant against this

>>1759533
I did this one from scratch, hopefully it's better. To me it looks ok but that's me, and if it isn't, I'm still going to finish it, part of learning and all that. Thanks for the feedback

>>1759217
this is better than the structured original.

>>1759535
first as others say look into something that isn't paper, oil will rot that, not the hugest deal if you don't care about your work outliving you though. But more importantly as someone who paints on a variety of things paper feels like shit.

Canvas panels are cheap. But I highly recommend going the stretched canvas route, the little bit of bounce it has is something you will get from nothing else. You don't have to make your own, but lets put it this way, I wish I had the means to, pre-stretched doesn't feel the same as starting something almost from scratch does.

It might also do you well to look into gesso, some fine grit sandpaper, and a cheaper brush to apply it. It will allow you to control the texture of the surface your working on, and make a lower quality canvas a little better. The more times you apply it and sand it down the smoother surface you get (which is mostly nice for keeping your brushes from degrading, and realism).
But the biggest benefit is that if you don't like how something came out, you can sand it a little, re-gesso the canvas, and start fresh. Just be careful not to sand the canvas itself.

>>1758935
The reference is just like that, or so it seems to me (pic related).

>>1758943
I see. Fwiw I have always aimed to be full aware of how forms take place, color/values, etc.. while doing my studies. But as you suggest maybe I ought to focus on a particular aspect.

I also take my sweet time looking at the subject but that timer practice sounds interesting I take it also helps in regards of line/brush economy, I shall try it next time.

Thanks for your thorough advice.

Finished two new Bargue's plaques.

Finished 2 new Bargue's plaques.

>>1759650
I can see a lot of deviations from the ref occurring - ones that seem common to a lot of your work. I don't know how intentional they may be, but just make sure they are conscious decisions with a clear purpose each and every time.

Notable examples of this is your overstating the eyes (and making them larger), shrinking the nose, and softening edge transitions that don't need to be softened.

You've also drawn the face looking forward instead of upward, which I do believe to be a clear mistake. The jaw is understated, the cranium is overstated. Don't forget to envision the box containing the head, and decipher the orientation of that box in 3D space. I'd also suggest a less stringy approach to the hair (the bangs aren't bad, but the ends are unappealing and distracting). Think about the contrast in your brush size and sharpness, and the effect that has on the overall painting. Your hair is distracting instead of complimenting the piece as a whole.

Remember, for everything you change, have a clear reason to do so. For everything that you don't change, have a clear reason for doing so.

Think I'm actually done with this.

>>1758924
Her hands are massive compared to her head.

I think you can also vary the edges more in the face, try getting some harder edges especially around the eyes, and then some softer ones around the mouth.

>>1759701

No you aint. Its 2 am now. Ill try and help you with this tomorrow.

>>1759189
proportions look a little weird, looks like you're trying to add too much under the jaw there too.
remember to flip horizontally every 10 minutes.

>>1758650
Melda study, how am I doing?

>>1759406
Don't be afraid to push the value anon, also the face and body gonna need more curve.

>>1759738
Some of the shadows on your study aren't the same as on your reference. For instance, you've drawn an area of darker value down the right side of the bottom of his tunic which isn't on the reference and you've missed a really large, bright area of reflection on the back of the shield.

A deceptively tricky choice for a study as there are multiple light sources.

>>1759527
I like it

>>1759527
I have an issue with the brushstrokes, it looks unrefined and less defined. Which clashes with that defined looking grass brush you used.

>>1759768
Not helpful nigga

>>1759738
Why is everything tinted orange? Also the on your part looks off. It looks stiff while the toy follows the chest

>>1759550
If you put a layer of gesso on the paper first you'll be fine.

Critique appreciated

>>1759535
Your brushwork isn't bad for someone just starting out with the medium. But things that stand out on the piece is the color, or lack thee of.

Your pallet seems entirely earthen, and while that may be a deliberate choice, the more subtle coloration within skin tones might help better define the face and neck.

The neck should show more of the reflected light of the shirt, his cheeks and nose lack the red that the large amount of blood in that region provides (though don't aim for tumbler levels of that) a more subdued world work, crimson in the nostrils and ear, maybe more pronounced sienna in the entire area if you wanted to say in pallet.

Most men especially those with facial hair have a more pronounced grey tone around their chin, and beard, less saturation in this area helps define the lower portion of the face.

You seem to be on the right track when it comes to shadows, but don't be afraid to experiment with the colors that lie within them, your nose has the best shadows on the man's right. Though the tip of his nose seems to be too far to this side.

Keep it up man, seeing more traditional stuff in these threads is a nice change of pace.

>>1759790
the face is weird. i cant tell how old she is suppossed to be

>>1759790
Fix the feet, look at a ref.

>>1759006
Their faces had me laughing my ass off for a good five minutes. Good job man.

>>1759790
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

Dont op with a trip you idiot, many have you filtered.

>>1759825
>filtering trips just because they're trips

grow up you fucking dunce

>>1759827

attention seeking faggots*

Can I get some feedback on this so far?

>>1759825
ignore this post, continue making threads with your trip

>>1759833
autistic copy/10

>>1759833
i dont see the likeness

>>1759833
these clothes are maximum flat

>>1759827
I filter FiReZ cause he's a giant attentionwhoring faggot though, not just because he's wearing a trip.

>>1759860
This

>>1759860
you are taking this way too seriously

>>1759903
if you take a trip, you should expect some people to not like you. This is 4chan after all.

To make one of the most important threads on the board, with that trip on, is being a cuntish at best.

>>1759847
>>1759850
Thanks, working on those now.

>>1759904
are you this autistic?
why the fuck would you care who made the draw thread and if hes got a trip on ffs
just fucking paint you cunt

>>1759912
Because it makes it difficult to find the drawthread? I'm not even that guy, but inconvenience is a bitch.

I personally just force anon, and ignore signatures, that shit's tacky.

>>1759641
>>1759792
thx guys! will try a new one today. Will be on paper still cause art store is far, and im only experimenting at this point and from what you told me its not ha huge deal

some troll-service I'm doing for the laughs

>>1759860
>>1759881

>>1759252

Please help. "This sucks, git gud and Loomis" are no help, I realise it's shit, but I need it look as good as it can with my current skill level. Thank you.

>>1759925
his right arm (picture side) looks wrong and hand. Try too look it up in a mirror.

>>1759926
Yeah, it does look wrong somehow. I hate hands, like everyone does. Thanks.

>>1759922
This

>>1759921

>>1759929
>>1759922

tryin to get ruan jia effect, any tips?

>>1759939
just watch his process videos.

>>1759939
be chinese

>>1759941
id rather watch anime

>>1759942
> tfw I'm Chinese and end up drawing animu shit all day

How the flippity frick frack do I go about fixing something like that

>>1760016
>Fixing
Finishing even, but fixing could work too.

>>1759974
animu is not shit, eat shit.

>>1759942
>be chinese
you're retarded, ever been on chinese/asian drawing boards, same shit as anywhere else

be individual.

Gonna try to do some background this time.

>>1759914

Ctrl+F Drawthread

You wot m8?
Names trips whatever doesn't matter, people get way too upset over something so small.

>>1759881
I agree with these two anons

>>1760178
What is filter

>>1759666
I hadn't realized the changes were that bad. Thanks for pointing them out. I was hoping for the hair to be ok but it seems like it will require more work. I will try and see what I can do

>>1760178

It is funny because that guy is giving me the attention for which he gets annoyed.

He speaks of inconveniences but doesn't realize that he went through the process of filtering me and hence missing the DT I have made. Instead he could just ignore my presence and go on with life, maybe it is just me but this sound far less complicated.

I just feel sad that someone could value his time and energy so poorly to the extent of doing those things.

>>1760211
You keep using tripcodes don't listen to any of these faggots here he's just being that way because he wants attention and make a scene, probably because they like you. No different from when that kid that used to bug you for attention.

>>1760211
How hard is it for you to understand that some people would rather not see your garbage, both drawn and verbal? That is how we ignore your pathetic existence.

>>1760211
Holy shit, you're such a fucking faggot.

Jesus christ.

>>1760250
After all this time Firez is still under fire, lol he is either masochist or dense as a brick wall. Even if he didn't use a trip, he would still talk like a faggot and make shit art. At least with a trip we can filter him.

The last point in time when this thread was about drawing was hours ago.

Still life, I really need to start working on again tonight when the lighting behaves.

First thing that is sticking out to me is the fucking god awful ovals, christ I need to get it together if I'm going to paint glassware.

Have to rework the bit it's all sitting on, area under the blue will be the new tablely bit.

This is why professionals don't post their art here.

>>1759381
>Fran Drescher lamias

loled

i like how this came out. excuse the signature

>>1759701

I hope this helps a little

>>1760276
I just want to say this reminds me of Mads Mikkelsen

>>1759354
this reminds me of a Schiele sketch. very cool.

>>1760292
>>1760280

Why the fuck are there compliments in my /ic/?

>>1760364
cancer

wanted to try to color this with layer modes but it turns out the values are too botched
I think I have to do a better job of grouping my values or something

>>1760007
i just don't know.

First time doin cartoon. Its a test for some characters I wanna do in a painting I'm planning.

>>1760456

This is how my art always ends up looking like too. Basically makes adding colour impossible.

>>1759535
2nd try ! i think i need to buy new brushes cause its really hard to be precise with the ones i have. anyways, im happier with this one ! :)

>>1760518
much improvement

>>1759925
His left arm is too short, should go down to about crotch level. It looks really rigid too.

My greyscale impression of salvidor dali

Finished this study,m dont know what IAm doing wrong

>>1760563
I love it! and you are on the right track.

IMO, I think the lines that are drawn on the outter face (direction where the light is coming from) is toooo thick

>>1759701

You should make this anon your friend. >>1760276

>>1760658

Poses are too stiff and they look incredibly disinterested in each other. Brushwork looks nice, tho.

>>1760659

>>1760661
then again i don't really expect people to get the refference.But it's a personal doodle so who cares

>>1760662

>posts in draw thread
>dismisses spot-on critique because "personal doodle"

Kek

>>1760665
to be frank,the doodle is a homage to that fight.So I did the poses as they were and didn't took liberties with it to keep it close to the original so people who actually know wrestling would be like "oh hey thats a cool little thing".I never dismissed the critique in the first place I simply provided the refference image.But I suppose it wouldn't be /ic/ if there isn't some dick who's cone vision sees what it wants to see to justify his unsightly internet attitude.Thus providing me with a healthy alternative of venting frustration on anonymous people online.Stay basic tho.I enjoy it.

>>1758945
>>1758946
>>1759057
Thanks for your input, I will definitely try to communicate the banshee-ness better. I might try to look up a few more stories to get a bit of a better impression and a few more ideas. I appreciate a different set of eyes helping me, so thanks again.

>>1760672
You didnt stay true to the ref though, the way you have the larger guys arms are much stiffer than andre's.

Fish guy is pretty solid though.

a really great friend of mine passed away recently, wanted to do a drawing of him because i miss him dearly.. but i want to get it really on point, any advise on furthering this piece?

thank yo so much!

a really great friend of mine passed away recently, wanted to do a drawing of him because i miss him dearly.. but i want to get it really on point, any advise on furthering this piece?

thank yo so much!

>>1760721
They look like string puppets man. Stiff and lifeless gesture.

Values are inconsistent, sloppy brushwork. Do more b/w landscape studies and gestures.

>>1760721
Gestures m8.

What is that dude with two lightsabers supposed to be doing? He looks extremely confused as to why his right knee is broken.

>>1760760
Smoothen out your brushstrokes. Also if you want something more interesting, draw his whole body. Use your imagination, make him pose in a way you remember him the most.

Condolences, Anon.

>>1760760
Make those shapes more accurate

>>1760510
No opinions on this? Besides the poses and details being a bitty slop I was hoping to know if the characters are likable or catching.

>>1760760
>>1760801
Strikes me as a pretty chill kind of guy

This is my first time doing a study from life...
I know it's bad, but I figure I'm going to have to be really bad before I can be any good.
Any advice or tips on drawing from life? I'm trying my best but it still looks really wrong.

>>1760801
>>1760809

Hahahaha, he definitely was a chill guy, it is almost unbearable to not tear up while drawing him. I LOVE that pose, I might just find some reference and whip up the whole body! Will definitely update.

I do feel as if the eyes aren't accurate though, any advice on sharping up the eyes?

>>1760811
Please post the finished version. I don't speak for /ic/ but I for one would like to see it.

Also eye reference. Could help

>>1760510
It's very nice and cute. Love the style. Especially awesome if it's your first time.

>>1760518
Not bad.
>>1760567
Noice. Need to study faces a bit more, eh

>>1760828
>It's very nice and cute. Love the style. Especially awesome if it's your first time.

Oh, thanks! I really wasn't expecting that kinda of compliment as I never did a cute drawing in my life, just monsters and normal people mostly. lol
I'll probably have problem matching creatures in this style, so I'll be investing more time in it for some time...

>>1760276
Thanks for the help but I made some updates before I saw your post. Hopefully this is a bit better.

>>1760658
>>1760661
are they having a jerking off contest?

>>1760868

>>1760880

>>1760880

I've been on 4chan for three years and I have yet to find out why the fuck those faces are a thing.

Please, someone tell me.

>>1760868
learn how to draw, ffs

>>1760906
Isn't this the point of the draw thread ;)?

Please don't kill me for being such a tryhard.
Composition kinda sucks because I didn't plan for this.

>>1760913
is that vengeful spirit?

>>1760914
It's clearly Queen of Pain, you dolt

>>1760868
>>1760886
The nose looks so weird though

>>1760917
I know you're going for an agressive look, but either softener up the neck area or make the breasts slightly larger.

Otherwise it looks too man-like

>>1760929
virgin detected

What do you guys think?
I think I added too many lines which seperate the shades. It's also not dram from imagination.

a try at skull f̶u̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ drawing. Spent too long on it, so i cant see all the fuck ups i made.

>>1760993

You're drawing looks flat cuz you don't know how to shade different planes. Do some value studies with cylinders, cubes and others geometrical shapes in perspective, try to compose a scene with then. It will help you A LOT, thrust me.

>>1761011
Your*
Trust*

lol

>>1761011
Yea, I mostly have to get some of the fundamentals down. I'm doing Loomis first book right now and I'll try what you suggested As I said this is just an adaption of a photo so I tried to convert the shadows into black n white.
pic related

>>1760993
it doesnt read very well

>>1761029
if loomis doesn't work for you(because he is shit) give other artists a try.
when i tried to get back into drawing and started with loomis everything looked like shit. i knew i was better than the crap that i produced with loomis' "help" and so i checked out hampton and it's just on another level.

I haven't drawn in two weeks and everything looks muddy as fuck. I guess I've just got to get back on my feet.

>>1761032
what?
>>1761035
I'll check it out. I'm still only at the comic heads @Loomis.

>>1761038
I hate when brown looks muddy

>>1761035
I feel the same about Loomis. I mean, hes not shit, but I don't think hes methods of teaching are as good as the techniques he teaches. I prefer, for example, the Proko videos. He is a better teacher, the techniques are almost the same and you can see someone doin it in video, which is way better than figuring out the process looking at pictures.

>>1761056
yeah proko has some good videos too. very simple, very to the point.

i think that loomis lacks empathie. he lacks the ability to see his tutorials through the eyes of the people who are trying to learn from it. a lot of what he says and does makes sense to him but not for other people. he has the "draw a circle, then draw the whole owl" problem. he often leaves out essential steps of the process and never goes into details of something. he just expects you to somehow figure everything out yourself

>>1761041
ic really really reallllly needs to learn how to critique. If you say shit like that follow it up with something actually constructive.

Unless you are the artist of that. In which case, never talk bad about your own art. Let the viewer decide what they don't like.

>>1761068
you have to make a distinction between critique and opinion. the comment you are replying to obviously belongs to the later

>>1761068
>>1761071
I'm the guy who drew that, that wasn't me who commented.

Okay I'm going to hide under my desk and hope /ic/ doesn't get mad.

>>1761071
in which case the latter can just keep its mouth shut as it adds fucking nothing.

>>1761079
neither do your comments, cunt

>>1761082
clever girl

>>1759326
>i cant even tell if you have improved or i just started to hate you less

lmao

>>1761071
Opinion? More like joke
>jokes on 4chan

>>1760828
heres a face i did of her

With all the correction I have come to conclusion that this will be my final update since I've been working on this piece for ~7 hours. Want to start something new.

>>1761124
i made sure its nice and sideways for you

Going to do a third Pass and really clean this up
Aynone have a good Lineart brush? The one I'm using softens edges so not the best.
Dunno which one to work on I'm thinking 3 but it needs another figure.
Hands whatr' those

>>1761133
tumblr?

>>1761133
is it you, armor guy?

>>1761155

maybe

>>1761157
strim pliz

>>1761038
I tried to make the grill stand out more as well as I redid the face.

Why so ded /ic/?

>>1761436
Why does he wear that mask?

>don't want to post art because thread is dead (300 replies)
>ded tred = no response
>wait for new thread
>nobody makes new thread because reasons
>thread stay ded

The cycle continues..

>>1761448
a lot of loyality for a hired gun

>>1761473
Sounds like a pretty big guy.

>>1761563
you're almost there just need to push that phallic imagery just a little bit more..

>>1761567

lol fuk u ;(

muh design language

>>1761576
it looks like a little dick plane

>>1761133
Third girl has a trippy face, first girl looks like a dude

>>1760518
Did you use any tutorials or resources to help you with this one? It's a pretty big jump in quality from your first.

>>1761253
STUDY. ANATOMY. Please study some Hampton or even Loomis and you'll see what's wrong. She's very stiff and the colors are vomit, which will improve by reading "Color and Light"

>>1761563
Please redesign this to look less phallic.

>>1761935
not really, something clicked and i learned how to mix the paint while on the canvas

Could anyone truncate the list down a bit to the absolute beginner essentials for learning to draw realistically?
I'd guess Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain.
But is there a more modern equivalent?