/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Perspective problem guy from the last thread if you have specific questions ask.

>>1695005 here again
I've been continuing as normal for a few days, I've certainly got better with this particular thing but worry that there is some downside to it
I haven't found anyone else do this, everyone only draws the part of what they're seeing that's in focus rather than as much as possible. I've fit 3 walls, the ceiling and the floor in this drawing when the normal way to go about it would only fit maybe the 2 walls and the floor. Does anyone else find doing this fun and could educate me as to whether to continue doing this or to go and learn perspective?

Sorry for low-res image, my scanner exploded


>>1719518
Are you the guy who drew the plane?

Don't worry about what other people are doing. Keep going.

Starting a little cast drawing.

>>1719668
Work from large to small masses anon

Loomis

>>1720080
hint: the point of loomis is not to copy him. what you are doing is as useful as drawing anything else from reference.

>>1720080
What he said >>1720093

Try to come up with your own characters.

more useful than drawing from ref #1

more useful than drawing from ref #2

>>1720174
>>1720175
Good job, anon.

>>1720174
>>1720175

Anon, by the love of god drop this shit right now, these loomis's faces are AWFUL, holy shit these fucking faces makes me so mad fucking loomis.
Anon, go study some michael hampton and bridgeman, keys to drawing is a good start.

DON'T STOP DRAWING

>>1720207
Bridgeman is too advanced for a beginner.
Seeing the quality of his copied faces, he's beyond keys to drawing though, so I think it's fine if he continues learning construction with Loomis, inventing his own faces, and pairing it with studies from life and reference...

can someone tell me whats wrong with her left eye? its really bugging me...

>>1720354
I wouldn't get too hung up on that, but for one, you have the tear ducts placed too high. I would slow down and draw from life. Maybe simple shapes like a glass bottle or coffee mug.

He means 'DRILL PRIMITIVES IN PERSPECTIVE GO GO GO GO'

hands hands hands

Shamwow you'll say wow every time

some face studies

>>1720361
Loving the colours.

>>1720892
Great, what did you have for breakfast? Is it raining?

>>1720927
Kaiser roll and raisin bread.
No, weather is nice today.

>>1720927
why are positive opinions less well received than negative opinions?

We are here to improve, not read pointless chatter from casuals. There are other places for that if that is what you need.

GOGOGOGOGO

>>1720353
Lovely. Are these from life, or photographs?

>>1720945
You're a dickwad if you don't think any feedback at all toward someone's art can encourage them to keep going. Even flippant compliments provide a connection and that can be a push of motivation just to know your art is being seen. Many people on /ic/ study art on their own and need this push.

Especially in the sketchbook thread where the posters may not be confident enough to post more finished work. Enjoy your autism.

Life study

Loomis, some copied, some from imagination

>>1721944
go back to da cancerfag

10 minute sketch of a photo. Fucking proportions.

>>1721979
Ok, go on popping an erection filled with hate every time you see other human beings interacting.

>>1721999
Don't go away mad, just go away.

>>1721995
>10 minutes
How?
Falling off your chair half way and falling asleep does not count towards your time

>>1720215
Don't stop believing, either.

>>1722033
Thanks for the lulz

>>1722004
He kinda has a point...but Lord Quas reference?

>>1721940
They're all from life; people walking around and sitting at the food court. And thanks. I think 191 and this are better pages though

>>1720357
Keep your weapon sharpened.

>>1720361
The colors are haphazardly placed and does little to define the forms (check the thumbnail) and the appendages are confusing to say the least.

>>1720418
Try to avoid a consistent outline.

>>1720872
You too could use some more deliberate line weighting. Sharpen your tool.

>>1722033
This made me laugh

>>1721956
Quantity is your best friend now and you will reap the most benefit from sheer volume. Go.

>>1721957
You can get a ball and draw dots for eyes and use that as a base model for the orientation of your characters.

>>1722142
You should get into the habit of stripping your exif data from your images.

>>1720354
It's not bad but IMO both eyes are upturned a little too much near the tear ducts, the one seems to be a worse offender, but still, very good. Better than I could do, keep up the good work.
And uh, side note here, those hands are really weirding me out.

>>1719513
Alright, do your worst
a little info, first:
It's a crappy sketch I made when I was bored, am working on writing and illustrating a book about aliens, this definitely isn't going to be in it (not alien enough, amongst things)
I was testing out a new note book (I am very finicky about my paper, this pad seems to indent too easily, so erased lines are still a little visible)
and lastly, I was attempting a different style of shading and erasing to add dimensions (not even close to realistic)
Tear me a new one, /ic/

I don't like this one but at least it made me practice

>>1722220
As far as outline and form go, it's excellent, at least compared to my own avian attempts, but I thing to improve, you should make hatches on the larger feathers away from the shaft, to make it appear more realistic.
Pic related, how I would recommend you try drawing some of the large and very visible feathers.

>>1722231
>but I thing to improve
meant - think

>>1722231
Thanks, ill do that for the next ones

>>1722220
You got lazy

moire

hi, life drawing. inks

>>1722865
your pencil lines are cool, but your ink is still pretty rough. I can see you gonna git gud soon though. Keep posting!

>>1722884

the underdrawing is ballpoint pen tho, no pencils

>>1722167
I'm not sure if anyone on /ic/ really cares about where I live. And judging by the pitiful traffic, it seems for whatever reason most people hide the thread anyways.

I hear you on the other stuff though.

>>1723087
I hear you. I don't think people hide these threads, just can't participate.
No control z and unlimited pressure sensitivity is daunting to some.

Just started drawing so I still need to go through sticky but I find it to be more entertaining to just draw things that spark my interest.

I'm just looking for any advice on any big problems with my technique that are immediately obvious.

Started studying horses, still trying to get familiar with the anatomy

>>1723631
kinda looks more like a deformed pony , is it supposed to be a foal ?
Then again maybe it's just because I haven't exactly seen much horses in that angle

>>1723650
Nah it's a horse. I didn't take into account perspective so it's really bad..

>>1723631
Did you just copy you reference using outline ?
or you drew this from memory ?
Next time you should try capturing the volumes with simple forms, this way the perspective will be better. You should start by doing something similar to a Xavier Veilhan sculpture.

>>1723664
Kinda like pic related, except you would draw the volumes inside the horse. I think Proko exlains this in one of his videos.
Then you can use what you learned with your references to draw your subject from imagination.

>>1723664

Copied a reference and did very brief construction before moving to outlines.

Here's a new one where I tried to focus on the construction.

>>1723096
itt: big balls

.

pretty much everything from last 3-4 days:
http://imgur.com/a/6gktp

sorry four dublicates and general shittiness.

>>1724091
all imaginary btw, except hand studies.

>>1724116
>image board
>posts link
just post the artwork ffs

>>1724158
don't you think manually uploading of 80something images here kind of inconvenient?

>>1724169
we dont need to see every autistic scribble

>>1724177
just wanted to give exact perspective on my current approach, weaknesses etc. without hiding anything.

Not your blog post shit shut up

>>1724244
Yeah guys, literally just post pictures. No critiques or comments about critiques.

>>1724327
You mean you actually *want* to give critique and a pint of view?

How dare you not be a shitty emotionally stunned individual.

Went to a museum at Paris
critics please ?

>>1724878
hands
more contrast. dont be afraid to go darker

>>1724878
skips the relevant parts..

>>1724878

The head seems too small or placed incorrectly (he has no neck)

I've been doing more horse studies/gestures, and there was one I liked so I decided to take it a bit further.

>>1725608

>>1719513
Yo.

Drawing in SAI for the first time. Why is my linework coming out so wiggly?

Given a beautiful pure human face so as not to ofend /ic/ with abhorrent "furry" content.

>>1725691
Not OP, but SAI has a stablizer setting. Turn it up to the level you need to stop making ugly lines. As you get more practice with a tablet you can turn it down.

beginner here
I watched Proko's video and did some gestures
these are my "best" ones
am I doing it right?

More art, less babbling

>>1725691
Are your tablet drivers installed properly and stuff? It doesn't look like your lines taper with pressure or anything.

Check in your icon tray to see if "Flicks" is there and turn it off if it isn't.

>>1725699
You're on your way. Remember to keep them fast and loose. Gestures are more about capturing the motion of the figure rather than the figure itself. If you focus on features too much you end up with a stiff drawing.

>>1726064
I like it so far, I'm waiting for finished piece.

Random sketches

>>1720353
>>1722142

What medium are you using?

>>1727133
They're ballpoint, and some felt tip pen.

I'm trying to force myself to post something every day and I didn't draw anything else today so have this shit.

helicopter without reference
trying to work on my construction if anything

any tips?
also whats wrong with the shading

>>1724002
wow it looks like you shopped this onto your notebook

really nice colors

>>1727133
>Ballpoint
mah nigga

Increase your output.

Hope everyone's finals went well

or whatever

>>1719668
Started the drawing over

>>1730630
You need to put your values down more carefully and evenly, you are creating a lot of variations that are throwing off the form. You also are getting caught up in all teh little value changes in the shadows and overstating them. Get the 2 value read in clearly and cleanly, then worry about the coreshadows and reflected light and dark accents and stuff. But get that clean first read.

>>1730653
Thanks for the paint over, I see what you mean.

First time drawing anything since I left school

so ten years ago...damn

I tried adapting a scene from Witch's House but gave up after I screwed up the bricks.

>>1723105
is that danny brown

These threads

>>1731110
:]

I cant proper perspective and I still use hard lines too much. Been drawing for a couple days now. I just cant seem to get away from using hard lines or outlines when I draw, even when I am mindful of my doing so.

>>1732120
>couple of days
There is your problem

>>1732120
read the sticky, do loomis instead of random objects. do loomis.

>>1732149
Why the fuck should he do Loomis.

>>1732150
loomis isn't just faces, talks about perspective as well. he's also scratching and shading everything when form isn't distinct. loomis is very distinct and won't fight with his self-proclaimed tendency to line heavily.

>>1732120
Keep drawing anon
Draw more contrast
Bunch a load of objects together and draw them as a whole

>>1720354
It looks a bit higher on the face than it should be, but thats about it, nice work

>>1732805
>nice work

samefag.

did these at a fast food place, probably about 30 seconds for each

first time posting here. supposed to be the inside of a train carriage, yeah perspective is shite

>>1719513
I've been drawing for a couple of months - mainly impulsive/without preparation or reference - and finding it difficult to find or maintain a concrete style (pic related). im aware this probably has to do with the method im using - "get a feel, try to put it down", but at the same time, every time i try to break it down, operationalise the process, all the joy i get from drawing drops off. does anyone else get this too? is there a way around it?

>>1733039
pic related

I wish I knew how to take decent pictures.

>>1733232

>>1733233

>>1733234

>>1733235
Last one

>>1720353
Nice gestures, are these just ballpoint pen?

>>1733232
>>1733233
>>1733234
>>1733235
>>1733236

ohgod i really like your style. This is the kind of work i have been striving to produce lately, but it just comes out like a hot mess. Really nice anon

Cybernetic Cerberus shooting muthafuckin lasers

Daft Punk for a friend

shit sorry mest that up

And an unfinished peice

>>1719513
Tell me what I need to improve on pls.

moire

>>1733561
patience

>>1730479
cool stripes mang

>>1733561
Looks like you slapped that shit down in 5 minutes or less.
You need to slow down first and foremost, try and "get things right". Sketchbook is sketchbook, but still - you need to work on your perspective and figures. Also, looks like you've got no idea where you are going with your figure at some places because you try to lay down the contour and then redo it over and over. That can be fixed one part with actually doing gestures more and other part with drawing practice with stuff like in Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching.

>>1730698
Work harder and never give up

>>1733443
yeah, just a regular ballpoint. I'm surprised people are asking

Some SF drawings I made while watching tv
I drew the space station from a pic I had on my phone, i don't know where it's from tho

>>1735037
I'll post some other stuff from my sketchbooks, opinions are welcome

>>1735049

>>1735051

>>1735052

I , made this on my tablet (note 8). I just like sketching and storyboarding.

>>1735059
get fucking good

bored at school usually

i made the other one too big sorry, and rotated

Yo.

And yes, she's an adult if you're confused. Intentionally flat-chested, want to give her nicely shaped A-cups, but I'm a messin' it up so she's no chest for now.

If you read the filename, I apologize.

>>1735648
I'm confused as to why your furry bullshit is still here

>>1735660
It's not furry, you dinglehopper. She has scales, not fur.

At least learn to insult someone correctly before you shitpost, which is also against the rules, if you want to go in that direction.

>>1735669
Stfu animal fucker

>>1735588
dude, fucking great shit. I might paint the dude on the left somewhere in the city. If I do, I'll take a photo and bring it back here.

A captain coping

his whole battalion lost

led straight off a cliff

>>1730653
random other anon here, this is useful to me as well, thank you

>>1733482
This is cool, I like the structure and weight of it

>>1735648
I think it looks decent, anatomy seems alright, and Argonians are one of my favorite races in Elder Scrolls ( usually go a little bit of everything) Ya could do something else with the eyes, It seems pretty low grade compared to the rest of it. But I'm no expert so take what ya want from what I've said.

>>1735894
Reminds me of Dark souls, alot.

>>1736282
Can't imagine why

>>1736307
We know he's a hack, just ignore his bullshit

moire art

Just some practices with expressions and faces of a random character.

>>1736315
its still inspirational and fun to look at

>>1733236

>>1737007

>>1737008

>>1737009

>>1737010

>>1737011

>>1737012
Okay I'm gonna stop here. I'd like some advice on color mostly. Even If my perspective is kinda off. Because I don't have a clue about where to begin with color, loomis isn't helping that much.

>>1733446
Thanks btw!

it's cunty, effortless bullshit. but yeah, great job says the one retard.

>>1737396
this is shit
>>1737007
this is alright
>>1722865
this is pretty good

>>1737676
GTFO. Nobody has any use for these type of comments. At least say why you think it's shit.

>>1737396
Reminds me of some people who I drew pictures with in high school. Where are you from?

Lazy redline, tried to preserve whatever neoteny thing you have going on, sorry. Mind your form, draw in three dimensions, consider design.

First post on /ic/ :3

>>1737396

only interesting thing in this entire thread.

bellmer-esque and interesting. not wild about the hair forming a frame thing you have going on though.

>>1737868
>telling somebody to 'GTFO' on 4chan.
lol

Stuck at work, sketched out an idea I had.
Will need to mess around with placement / composition of things.

I'm getting worse.

>>1738749
Some parts are good, like the crotch. It creates an illusion of depth and texture. However it's contrasted with the really flat looking torso.

Did you draw it from a washed out photograph or something?

>>1735584
have anything else?

>>1735584
This is really cool! I love your rare style.

haven't drawn in a while
would love criticism

>>1738906
is that dementiva kek

>>1738907
The russian tennis player? Nah, it was based off some random tumblr photo

some sketches

>>1738924

>>1738903
rare style? Welcome to 2005 kid.

>>1735894
I love seeing your drawings around the board, please keep up your cool style .

>>1737007
beautiful stuff
>>1738932
thank you thank you

>>1738925

mall denizens

Currently doing this

>>1738932
seconded. it's a nice look.

Hey /ic/. I'm an up and coming Idon'tknowyet and I need critiques, especially on my use of value. pls help

>>1738883
Yes, I did draw it from a washed out photograph. I tried to fill in some of the missing information but it didn't come out right. I'm still trying to learn.

>>1739621
You've got a combination of your proportions being off and your values being off. You've also rounded out her curves when in fact they more detailed then just a roundish pear shape.

You're new and you'll learn. Just keep looking and trying to see what's there rather than what you expect to be there.

Trying to get the proportions right. From what I can tell, the torso is a bit too long and the head is too small.
Need to work an shadows.

>>1739963
reference

>>1739621
Focus on getting clean edges, then use a middle value for all the shadowed areas and work out from there.

>>1740016
What's considered shadowed?

>>1740050
give up

this is actually the first (and last so far) nude woman of my life

>>1739744
>>1740016
Thanks for the help guys. Should I consider drawing the whole thing in a midtone first then creating the darker areas and erasing for the brighter ones?

>>1740103
You can do it that way as long as you end up with two solid planes of value. It helps alot when establishing the rest of the values since, as a rule of thumb, the lightest area in the shadow plane will rarely be lighter than the darkest part of the shadow plane.

For instance on a value scale of 1-10 (1 being white 10 being black), the lightest shadow will be a 5, and the dimmest lighting can be a 4.

still can't into value, 30 min.

>>1740302
I like the way you explained that. I kind of knew it but never articulated it to myself. It might help me out when I'm trying to gauge values.

>>1740450

What's up with the neck placement yo

>>1740455
explain

>>1740456

looks like it isn't starting at the right spot behind the ear and too far past the chin unless he's pulling an Egoraptor chin or something

moire

>>1722200
Shading is pretty original, i like this sketch a lot.

>>1724878
The head is weirdly placed and weirdly rotated but the rest is nice!

>>1742110
you only hurt yourself when you samefag

>>1740456
I "kinda" get why you made the neck this way but a more rational neck could work cool too.

>>1740102
Can you post the reference?

Moire

Been practicing faces and decided to put what I've got so far to work.

I'm posting this from my phone and I have no idea how that one came out side ways

>>1743383
How many still lifes do I have to do to shade like this?

>>1745324
196

is this the right thread for beginners? cause i need an opinion. i really want to get into drawing and decided to start studying proportions first

>>1745354
also is 21 a good age to start? how long would it take me to be decent at.

>>1745356
*at art

>>1720353
"what is my gender"

>>1745356
Why do you feel like you're past the point of no return because you didn't start in your childhood years?

If you pick up a pencil and study all day long every day, sacrificing not only food, but also sleep and friends, you can become a very good artist in just one years time.
It's up to you on how you want to go about things.

>>1745324
That pic isn't a good example of shading, I think pic related is probably more what you're thinking of. I used to draw glass objects a lot to practice rendering. It forces you to recognize the reflections as shapes and value. Don't worry about shading until you can draw things in perspective though; that's a mistake I made a while ago and am slowly fixing.

>>1745497
I know, but I just really like this type of shading where everything looks 3D and there's just a bunch of crosshatching lines.

>>1733235
is that oil pastel? I like it

Am I gesturing right? I've been working on gesture this summer

>>1745537
this is great

>>1745597
Try to stretch the pose, feel the action in the muscles. It's not a pose, it's a movement. Exaggerate more, because you don't capture the motion well. Don't follow the reference, follow the motion. I think it would help you if you spererated the torso and the pelvis. you have a wrong sense of the size of head and torso. Head is too small, torso is too big.

>>1745766
Thank you for the critique, but could you maybe elaborate more on separating the torso and pelvis? Maybe give an example?

>>1745933
I like this.

Are you using a charcoal pencil?

I was feeling good about my gestures until I started doing 2 minute ones. Now it feels like I'm not getting it.

so I'm revisiting FWAP, Am I starting to "get" construction?

So I started reading Loomis' "Fun with a Pencil" and doing the excersise about drawing a circle, then the nose, then the lines, then the shapes, etc. The upper left one was an attempt to directly copy one from the book, with the upper middle one I followed directly one of the examples but trying to do a different head, the other four I did myself.
It's fun, but I wonder how long should I do this excersise before getting to the more technical stuff that follows.
I'm also getting used to drawing in a tablet.

>>1747965
probably

gouache plein air

>>1748010
That's pretty nice anon. Maybe get more of a focal point in there, but overall good job.

>>1748010
remember trees are thickest at the base and rarely differ in this aspect

>>1748016
any idea why he has no focal point? The answer is because his values are god awful, and have no grouping whtasoever. Don't buttpat like a dumbfuck, please.

>>1748010
Wut brushes did u use?

>>1748213
a paint brush

Is morality as foreign to you as your tongue?

i have been lazy the pst few months, due to work, n suvarium.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/224706-Things-I-Do-Weekly/page25

late night shift

>>1748788
I can really appreciate the pencil work on all of these, I like most the guy with a hat. Did you use only one pencil, or did you have softer one for the darkest parts?

Dunno about giving much critique, they're solid. Maybe would have left top of the right girls head off. Transition with the guy is not so good.

>>1750559
>Dunno about giving much critique
you are not obligated to post.

>>1750554
stick to one color. pay attention to light direction ffs

>>1750668
Noted, I do like experimenting with colored though.

>>1750554
She has a lazy eye.
The hand on her butt looks like she's holding a cardboard
Her other arm is coming from nowhere, too long

>>1750828
focus on value

Been looking at drawin' animals, drawing for myself what parts of anatomy translate to human seems to be helping me out, also just fucking around with different media because I'm a distractable cunt.
Not really critiqueable, but I just felt like showing the world that I was doing something.

the goblinoid is from 10+ years ago, the draethos mandalorian with a cybernetic hand and wrist mounted lightsaber is from this week, the first thing ive nearly finished drawing since dropping out of art school 10 years ago

>>1749320
I love this and I don't know why...

this are not ALL the sketches i did in 2014 just the most coherent ones

>>1751174
yeah? and they're both shit? y.

>>1751662
that's pretty great, where are you from?

>>1751701
im from argentina, and thank you, what did you particularly like? have you posted anything in this thread?

>>1751662
I love your /co/ comics, they're great. You need to make more. :')

>>1751706
i will but for now i want to concentrate on my own stuff and i dont want to cram /co/ with my drawings like its my personal blog

>samefag
>underage b&
Pick two

found the original here, wanted to try charcoals with it.

>>1745537
Well the artist isn't just cross hatching but also blending lightly to add value to the portrait... seems like the artist is also using art gum to create those blurred lines on the coat. If you want to create art like this, make sure you are using soft graphite pencils from ranges 2b to 6b

>>1751709
Nah man, we really don't care, they're great and /co/ loves OC. At least in the /coc/ threads.

bumplemints

all I've got

>>1737396
gem

>>1739030
cool i really like this

>>1752711
Nobody cares casual.

Andrew Mar study

>>1753211
Oh fuck yeah. Is that what Michael Kirkbride's stuff is based on?

>>1753218
I don't think so. He's just a dude who draws some dope shit.

>>1753221
Ah. Just reminds me of his style a bit. Either way, breathtaking stuff. So much to admire about that technique.

I think I'm improving. I'm not sure, though.

>>1747965
You can rotate those heads all you want but that doesnt mean youre changing the perspective, mate. From what ive seen of your stuff, you sameface the 3/4 a lot- go for more challenging perspectives; below the chin, above the head, behind the cranium in 7/8s and 1/8s

rage to kill blood will spill blinded sight die from fright

wat

>>1719513
Yo.

>WARNING Anthro behind the link. I don't care, personally, but I'll use Imgur just to keep the ninnypoops happy.

Working on expressions for this character, studying some cartoon expressions along with IRL cat faces, the Optimistic and Tired faces both coming from feline reaction images.

Thoughts? Also, The first time I tried a walking pose and perspective with a figure, I'd like some critique on that as well.

http://imgur.com/ikNmL7V

>>1755248
let me guess, your'e the verbose animal fucker who cant draw for shit and censors the images

Random sketches

>>1755316
Moar

>>1755300
Oh, hey again, cutie! How are you? I haven't seen you in ages! Gosh I couldn't go another day without your uncalled-for insults and snide remarks. I'm glad you took the time out of your busy day to make one for me.

Since I can't draw for shit, let's see your work, sweetie :3

>>1755329
never seen your work before so here's my honest opinion. You seem to know what muscles that the male form usually has and you can individually tell which muscle goes where but I think you have a problem of combining them together into one realistic mass. I would persoannly ignore all the other chara teristics like a dog head or anything, just do a lot more life drawing and foccus in getting the whole body down and working together as a coherent mass.

>>1755316
>>1755321
These are cool... Are they studies from life? Or made up? Or... photos? or....?

>>1755336
Thank you.

I forgot to mention that this is the first time I tried doing a pose like this. I used a reference for the anatomy (specifically the statue of Theseus fighting the Minotaur), and I used some imagination for the walking pose and perspective. More practice never hurt anyone, so I'll just work harder until then. Have a nice one, friend.

>>1755329
>cutie
>sweetie
>:3
>show ur work fagit

This is why people hate furfags.

>>1755351
>not liking sunshine and rainbows :3

how goes the edge?

>>1755347
Ahh they're made up. But I did a lot of life sketches throughout the years.

>>1755356

Alright m8's give me some direction.

The chick's eyes are absolutely fucked, I know that much.

>>1755445
Treat the whole head as a whole, don't separate each part of the head in your mind. Pay close attention to the top of the head - beginners tend to not pay attention to what they can't perceive to be there, even if it's there, under all that hair.

Your linework's ok, it's just the understanding of the structure that needs some practice.

>loomis + reilly method
Construction finally made sense.
Am I hatching correctly?

>>1755518
kind of hard to tell with that pic