/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Last thread was dying so I waited to post my finished strip. I think I'lll lay off the screen tones next time.

When did /co/ start invading these threads so much

>>1719780
FEEL IT

>>1719786

Since when were you a whiny little bitch

So should I do studies of every part of the body till I know it inside and out then move on to live drawing or do some of both or move to live drawing and then concentrate on my weakness with studies?

Sorry for how long winded that was.

>>1719771

I have absolutely no idea why people are having such a hard time "feeling things".

Perhaps the hardest thing that I had a problem when I was starting out fresh and diving head first into serious art study was "feeling out" gestures and poses. However, I soon realized that I was never taking my time in doing any of my drawings and I would always attempt to speed through my work.

After finally going through an old folder of mind, I came to realize that I when I had first started out, I was terrible at the work I did, but I remembered something: the first drawing in nearly 7 years that I had done (a cartoon girl with no shins and no hands) was something I spent over 14 hours on. I was proud of it at the time, but I could see all of my errors now.

If you take the necessary time to actually be passionate about your work, you'll feel the forms and gesture, especially if you have some background in anatomy study, as this will give you the confidence to place those forms and "feel it".

Stop trying to draw something in 20 minutes. Spend a lot of time on something. If you see something isn't right, get some reference, whether from life or from another artist, and draw until it looks correct. Come back to it the next day. Speed and the ability to feel quickly comes with practice. "Make it right, then make it faster."

>>1719805
Study the muscles and do life drawings at the same time so you know the underlying structure when life drawing.

>>1719813
Thank you. I have been trying and not understanding anatomy is really helping me to target my weak points and then hone in on them. So I will do that.

>>1719824
jade fused with vriska?

>>1719780
Omg that's really cool!

>>1719824
not really but I also noticed she looks kinda like jade.

What should I work on to improve from this point?

>>1719780
way to go sundry, you are getting better and better!

>>1719864
I approve of pirate girls, but why is she posed like that, as if she just defeated and lit the ship on fire with her swords? Is she a survivor? Did she just get marooned?

If you want her victorious, she could be achieving piratey things: finding treasure, raising a mug of rum in a bar, standing over a defeated foe. You could have her at the wheel on board the fire ship in an act of defiance. Probably want to work on an idea and then make the composition to fit that.

>>1719771

>>1719875
who?

>>1719918
>signed

>>1719771
i need the tumblr of the guy who drew the OP.

/ic/: "Trying hard but still failing."

>>1719979

>>1719913
yep

I figured out that I will get some gut understanding of anatomy and body in space if I draw one body part in 360 degree I would need to do photos of me I guess, mirror dosent work. cant see back and its annoying to hold pen and paper and look at mirror. any suggestions ?

>>1719771
is it a good for an artist to start learning anatomy by using reference of a human body?

>>1720014
what kind of question is that? you can use whatever you want as long as it helps you understand the subject better.

>>1720021
ok, just asking, no need to get all hot headed, I'm not like the rest of those who insist on "muh style" culture, if I'm willing to learn, I'll ask questions

>>1720025

What part of that post was hot headed or angry at all? You're lucky he didn't start calling you names.

If you're earnest about learning some shit pick up some Hogath, Hampton or Vilppu, get on it and stop hanging out around here in this thread and /ic/ in general, you'll be better off

>>1720009
learn structure, form and perspective before anatomy or anything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo

>>1720055
i know those things

so, how did I fair?

>>1720063

Not bad. Expression is sort of mismatched for the pose but oh well.

Mind the chicken scratching

>>1720063
chickenscratch/10

How important or should I say, how much of an impact do you think shadows have in the art of manga? Because shadows are the one thing that fuck me over every time.

>>1720065
question from a dumb-founded anon, what the hell is chicken scratch?

>>1720065
>>1720067
Not him but what's a good way to avoid chicken scratching?

>>1720082
it's when you go back over your line over and over. if you do it too much it makes the line look "fuzzy" which some people will call a fuzzy line

>>1720083
just consciously force yourself to make strokes in one go, eventually you'll get better line control

>>1719780
Good Job. Tones are okay if a little haphazard here and there, using them more of an element to make things pop instead of rendering value or shadow.

One a week, eh? It would be a nice personal challenge.

>>1720083
Just practice line confidence. Use a pen for drawing and only go over lines to emphasize what you already put down.

Not, bad. main thing shoulders look too narrow for the rest of the body. Other notes in redline.

Critique this frogman please

>>1720141

>>1720141
im not sure if you know what you are doing. why dont you try drawing it in a 3/4 view?

>>1720148
Thank you

>>1720150
I don't completely know what I'm doing either, why 3/4?

>>1720152
to see if you can turn the forms u have drawn in space

>>1720153
I see, I'll get started on that then

>>1719864
Your poses, for sure. Focus less on painting and, god forgive me for this, work on your... ugh, fundamentals. Specifically, gesture, simplification, construction, and so on. After that Perspective.

As it is right now she looks like she's either shitting a banana o something, or her legs are like that because she's trying to avoid having a protruding rock shoved somewhere.

For the purposes of the story, the idea behind the picture, her pose and accessories do nothing to serve it. The swords are pointless. Why is she standing like this, her swords so confidently and arrogantly held? Was that her ship that is on fire? If so, why isn't she showing some form of regret? Did she sink it? Is she going to attack the viewer?

These are the questions that you need to ask yourself.

>>1720160
>god forgive me for this, work on your... ugh, fundamentals
are you retarded?
for fucks sake, fundies are neither a meme nor a joke.

>>1720164
I'm going to go draw. Have a pleasant day anon.

Thoughts?

>>1720216
Le Battle-toads?

>>1720216
The place where your arm bends on the inside is weird on the purple one. Left and right knee / leg are different from eachother.

>>1720218
I'll have to add shades on them tomorrow.

>>1720221
My anatomy isn't quite there yet as I'm not completely sure on how it should bend, I'll work towards rectifying that tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback.

>>1720222
use reference then.

>>1720055
Ah, Proko's so cute.

>>1720338

Why? I mean, who gives a shit at this point?

Am I doing it right guys?

>>1720363
You, apparently.

Ok I'm new so I'm not sure this is the right section for it.
But I have found a really fun way to draw, Using the binary pen in sai. But I find at the end when I pull my pen from the tablet, there is still a little trail at the end of it. Like I want it to stop there, but it continues for a bit more making annoying scratch like marks in the picture. Do you guys know if there is any way to change it?

>>1720365

Pissing in an ocean of piss

I'm getting so frustrated with colouring

>>1720460
Also, any tips on learning how to draw better poses? I always erase any crazy poses cause they always look wrong... I do my gestures, but I still can't get floating/lively poses in anime drawings.

>>1719771
>someone actually saved my shitty thing from months and months ago

OP-senpai n-noticed me!

Sweating hands...arghhh

>>1720464
camposition/perspective/gesture/construction.
Think in a single action line to decribe the direction and flow of the pose, then think on the angle of vision you want to portray, then develop the gesture of the pose, then fill in the construction masses and refine with detail until you like.
You will never find reference of anime-esque lively and dynamic poses to practice your gesture, what you can do is take what you already now and turn it inside your head, basically, think in 3D and draw foreshortened stuff.

>>1720481
Any tips on how I could make my shadowing / shading skills better?

>>1720493
More contrast. Darken the darks.

>>1719780

One critique: aside from Steven, all of the Gems seem to have the same head position, giving an impression that your playing it safe with head positioning. Consider body part placement in your compositions, both per-panel and global. Don't be afraid to show the bottom of a chin. (Ha)

Otherwise, it looks very good. Readable forms and recognizable characters throughout. I think you might enjoy screen tones more if you actually make them larger and make the patterns more obvious. I do this a lot. Adds so much character to my values. I love it. However, everyone has different tastes.

>>1720385
Muh binary nigga

Go slower and go back over it with Binary transparency to clean it up.

It's really the best way when you're fiddling with Binary, sadly.

>>1720451

Why do your drawings look so autistic

>>1720570
What a bizarre thing to say.

>>1720570
Elaborate and I might give you a proper answer.

Shit, I'll bite. Creature design-in-progress for a graphic novel I'm working on

>>1720614
construct your shit before you even thing about colour. and dont use the airbrush.

>>1720616
not even for a nice walnut shen?

>>1720586

It's like I'm looking at a sack of beans for a character and not actually a human. It looks cartoony and at the same time it doesn't, and their heads/eyes make them look like they have a few screws loose.

>>1720619
i dont see any walnut in that, all i see is muddy paint on a hairy snake

Why not. Finished this a few hours ago, anybody got critiques? I AM NEW TO THIS.

>>1720623
inb4 the forearms are fucked. Yes. I know the forearms are fucked.

>>1720623
>finished
>symmetry tool

pls

>>1720625
What's wrong with symmetry tools? They make digital composition a breeze.

>>1720626
lazy as fuck, makes the piece look unnatural and rushed.

>>1720626
it looks unnatural as fuck

>>1720629
>>1720630
>implying natural is the desired look

>>1720632
>implying that uncanny valley is good

>>1720632
>i meant to make it look shit

>>1720634
>>1720635
>posts within 20 seconds of eachother
riiiiiiiiight

>>1720637

>>1720637
You can't actually post twice within 20 seconds

>>1720623
You should focus less on the finished product and more on making it

>>1720637
>two people online at the same time?! impossible!
you can't post twice in 20 seconds.

anyone got anything legitimately constructive to say, or is everyone gonna sit around stroking their dicks and making fun of shit?

>>1720648
dont use the fucking symmetry tool and git gud

>>1720649
thank you for that...eloquent...opinion. Aaaanyone else?

>>1720651
it looks really nice, i think ive seen your artwork before- do you draw furry and those kinds of things? *^*

>>1720654
>furries
*vomits in mouth, all over keyboard*
sorry, can't say I have.

>>1720655
xDD o right
mustve been someone else then
got a deviant art?

>>1720651
Alright smartass. The symmetry tool is worthless, even if it cuts down on your workload. It makes your work look static, unnatural, and as if little effort and care was put into it. Beauty comes from nature. There is beauty and awe in hard work.

Quit being lazy and stop using the symmetry tool. If there's any clever reason you used it for, the meaning's been lost, I'm afraid.

>>1720656
yeah.

http://megslayer.deviantart.com/

>>1720614
Someone thought of it first, I'm sorry.
Draw the complete linework first, then you can think about coloring.

>>1720658
gotdamn, you'd think that paint symmetry was some kind of Neo-Hitler 'round here. I just wanted to knock out a symmetrical desktop.

Captcha: lystedbd commentary

>>1720662
Yeah, I just wanted to get a feel for the head.
>Phrasing, boom.
Earlier drafts were more horse/varanid and I felt that was too aweomebro. Started moving more in the direction of half-dead caecilian.

>>1720481
Stop tracing Naruto endings

Progress on my ffxii fanart thing. Critiques, redlines, tips?

Progress so far. I'm having trouble with Balthier's legs and feet, I think I've gotten okay at drawing female hips/legs/feet but men are still kinda difficult.
Critiques, redlines, tips?

>>1720711
His legs and head are turned to the side but his body is just flat

>>1720637
>>1720639
>>1720641
>>1720645


boy don't you look like an idiot right now

>>1720711

Look up body stances for archers and 18th century riflemen and then redo the whole thing, hell, look at how their bodies move ingame, it would be better than having them stand completely erect

Also Balthier's shoes are pretty distinct I don't get whats so hard about them

>>1720773
so how'd it taste?

>>1720711

Feels like a stiffy with them just standing still.

Thoughts?

>>1720812
I kinda like it.

Perspective issues though.

>>1720812
ic will know no peace form this frogging.

one of his foot is not on the floor. Keep in mind composition he should be at center on image nad hes more to the left of image.

>>1720818
> centering is good composition
Stop posting

>>1720818
>Keep in mind composition he should be at center on image nad hes more to the left of image.
In centre should be vocal point - his face. And it is in centre.

>>1720775
It's that bad?
I don't care enough to redo the whole thing so I might just scrap it.
For Fran I did look at archers, I used a reference for her. Archers stand pretty still when aiming. For Balthier I admit I didn't use a ref, that's why it's so bad I suppose. In game though, both characters strafe/walk around with their weapons held down, but stand still while aiming and shooting. And I think (unless I remember wrong) Balthier uses all guns with one hand.
Mind you I'm not saying that my drawing isn't rigid and stiff, because it totally is. I'm just not sure how to make it more dynamic.

>>1720815
any areas in particular?

>>1720818
Is it the left leg? also I kinda just cropped it out of a few other sketches but I'll keep that in mind.

>>1720826
the leg from the left side of picture.

>>1720828
I thought so, I'll be do a few revisions

>>1720812
Next time you make frogs make a sketch first and ask for advice on that, then start working it out

>>1720825

Also you made Fran's arms too short, Viera have swoopy spindly long limbs

>>1720839
I'll keep that in mind

>>1719824
Leaving the gesture layer on doesn't help mask your poor lack of fundamentals.
>>1719864
wtf is that shit
>>1719906
You've never seen a woman in your life.
>>1720063
not bad but needs work
>>1720141
nice frog
>>1720451
very stiff very symmetrical very you know who copycat
>>1720460
da tier shit
>>1720464
learn2draw animals, muhstyle
>>1720477
baka
>>1720481
nice trace
>>1720614
you need loomis
>>1720623
you need sticky badly
>>1720711
pretty boring ...you call it partners in crime make it FEEL like they are partners watching each others back. Push the story, faggot.

>>1720867
autism

>>1720867
Quality over quantity. Give some real critique.

Critique?

>>1720932
its an improvment form last ones. Why dont make them do something ? just standing frogs are boring. Theres no purpose of his arms I mean what is he doing ? why smiling ? you could just make him lay one arm on hips and other one in rest. If you want standing position make him less stiff. Just look how lifemodels pose when they stand its never just stiff pose.

>>1720939
Do you know of any books to read up on regarding posing? I'm looking into Dynamic Figure Drawing by Hogarth but that's about as far as I've looked.

>>1720949
you should watch videos of every recomended teacher on ic and studies of well known artists, then use the knowlege to draw poses. after that fetch some photos and analise them or go to lifedrawing clases if you can.

hampton and vilppu videos are pretty good.

Well noted

>try to make some work based off of a gesture study
>decide to not recreate the person completely and try to make him into something different
>didn't pull off enough info to make the face and begin using a face from a different reference, causing to to look out of place
>didn't create enough info for hands either so start making shit up
>hands so shit I redo the arms all together
>in it's current state the face looks too out of place and the hands are both shitty and feel far out proportion

I don't know if I should even bother finishing. I'll post if anyone is interested.

>>1720984
Post it

wheres mikufag and kylefag ?

>>1721011

butt study
lighting was bad in the reference, but the shape was nice so I couldn't resist
I added the feet doe

I could use some help regarding this picture. Im thankful for any advice.

>>1721025

>>1721025
Proportions, despite good line quality you seriously need to study the proportions of the head. The hand is bigger than the face and don't even get me started on that neck.

Pick up Drawing the Head and Hands from Loomis it will seriously help you understand but only if you put an effort.

>>1721017
nice miku ! you getting better and butter.

>>1721025
Hey there Tommy, this place is 18+ only you know?

>>1721018
m-may I know what material you use to study anatomy?

>>1721018
Damn!

>>1721051
hes too badass to study anatomy.

i tried a different process and started with values firstb ut oh god i have no idea what the fuck im doing please kill me

>>1721083
Something looks off about the girl on the right

>>1720988
Here it is, sorry it took so long to post.
The last time I posted it at a draw thread I never got to see the critique for it, if any, so any critique I can get would greatly be appreciated.

>>1721083
Awesome. So much improvement since the last one I saw.

>>1721083
Elbow looks like jelly. Also, the detail contrast between the faces and bodies looks ridiculous. My tablet sensibility isn't working, so I can't even fix it.

>>1720477
dude do you have a tumblr? your work is totally rad

>>1721140
Not the artist, but either looks fine to me. Sure this isn't about taste?

>>1721083
Woman on the right's head looks flat but her body is dimensional. The hair is really killing it and I think her head is connected to her neck in the wrong place (looks like it's in the middle rather than towards the back of the head)

>>1721018
i love u kairu

>>1721018
what are you using to blend those values for fucks sake...

>>1721161
I don't know, it looks like he referenced the body hard and spent a long time detailing it, but 14-years-old deviantart user'd the face.

>>1720621

Just made dis. I guess I will color it later.
Waddayathink?

>>1721257
legs look weird

How do I draw the shoe so that it's passable? It's supposed to be a business suits with matching shoes but I haven't found a good reference for that position.

>>1721213
water tool ya dingus.

>>1721257
y-you broke her leg from the right side of the picture.

>>1721272
Make it actually seem its an object with a foot inside and not a sock for starters.

>>1721018
KYLE!
>>1721051

Little character design I'm working on, can I get some critique?

Also if anyone had tips on how to draw feet it would be very appreciated.

>>1721339
Whoops

>>1721018
You seriously need to stop posting in these threads.

>>1721341
>Whaaaaaaaaaa bloo bloo bloo

>>1721340
Looks like shit, read the sticky.

>>1721018
shit
>>1721025
you need to be 18+ to post here
>>1721083
unoriginal uninspired shit
>>1721018
you're a hack
>>1721116
sticky
>>1721257
I think it's shit
>>1721272
nice folds in the pants :)))
>>1721340
best drawing in the thread so far

>>1721340
> implying you would get a different answer than "read the sticky" by posting in this thread instead of the regular drawthread.

>>1721348
I posted in the drawthread and got even less replies.

>>1721017
I quoted kyle twice which the first reply should be for you. >>1721347

>>1721344
>implying he needs help
he posts in these threads and everyone either jumps on his cock, or jump down his throat. All he does is derail or, otherwise, shit up threads and people who post art that could benefit from a critique or redline get completely ignored.

Same goes for Teal, but he learned this a while ago and left.

>>1721352
>All he does is derail or, otherwise, shit up threads

So wait, you are saying the people who are actually posting work are the ones who are "derailing" or "shitting up threads", rather than the ones who do contribute nothing but bitching?

So I take it if you hit a certain level, you should just leave and never post because it might upset lesser skilled people?

>>1721352
you sound extremely jelly.

>>1720623
Almost the entire thing is the same value

Add more deep shadows and more bright highlights - there's no shading on the figures. Spruce up the background a bit too, it just looks plain

>>1721361
You're bitching right now. Welcome abroad the derailment train. Check your privilege or whatever, weeb.

>>1721366
You sound extremely lonely

>>1721361
The thing is, look at the majority of comments he gets about his work. He posts them knowing what the response will be every time.

>So I take it if you hit a certain level, you should just leave and never post because it might upset lesser skilled people?

What more can you gain from less skilled people?

More futa study. Sorry about the breasts, someone likes them big and gravity defying.

>>1721374
>What more can you gain from less skilled people?
Entertainment. It's amusing to watch the stupidity unfold.

>>1721083
>>1721140
>>1721168

It never ceases to amaze me how every time rinfag posts his polished turds, at least someone comments how the heads are not defined enough, as if they had seen a rinfag's turd for the first time in their life. It also never ceases to amaze me how he never. fucking. learns. Just try at least?

>>1721385
It takes time I had the Mikufag Syndrome for a while just keep drilling it into his head until it clicks.

>>1721374
>bla bla bla comments bla bla bla attention
is this all you care about? i'd be glad if more decently skilled guys post because that would make the thread better.

>draw thread; 187 posts
>80 images
>mostly actually drawings/paintings from people


>animu thread; 181 posts
>40 images
>a lot of ebin reaction images
>mostly people talking shit

What is wrong with you animu people.

>>1721392
Not him, but it seems to me the same faggot who disrupted the thread when Teal was around is now doing the same shit to Kyle.

>>1721394
/ic/ happened. It's always been like this.

best lolibrows of the season

>>1721385
i'll get it right one day I SWEAR
i... just need to find the way to make it tick

>>1721412
Good afternoon Rinfag, sorry to trouble you sir but have you heard of our lord and savior Andrew Loomis?

>>1721415
ditched him for vilppu

>>1720867
learn2crit dipshit

>>1721160
http://ottomensch.tumblr.com/

Hey, thanks. I've been busy as of late, but I'll be posting more pretty soon.

>>1721421

I gave them a crit...critical damage that is.

>>1721395
>seems to me the same faggot who disrupted the thread when Teal was around is now doing the same shit to Kyle

and you know this how?

Teapot

>>1721347
thanks anon senpai, I'll read the sticky more.

>>1721425
Hao 2 line art

>>1721424
Hang around long enough and you start to recognize people.
>>1721423
>lol xd critical hit yolo r u mad? lololol

update, this is turning out a lot worse than I expected.

>>1721432
Please stop spamming the draw threads with your polished turd.

>>1721432
don't take offense, but the best answer I can give is to read the sticky.

>>1721432
nah its not thaaaaat extremely bad. but you should start with some studies and get better in art. And pls pose those freaking legs different. its like a male with female legs atm.

>>1721431
>Hang around long enough and you start to recognize people.

I've been here for a very long time. Anons come and go. Why do you think it's the same person?

>>1721392

This thread is an elementary school playground complete with the societal power structures

>>1721432

Still better than kyles.

>>1721444
>The thing is, look at the majority of comments he gets about his work. He posts them knowing what the response will be every time.

Do you not see the same pattern from the bitter Anon when Teal was giving critiques and redlining drawings? There was no problem at first but then with the creation of the Anime threads it acted as a Catalyst for Teal to offer more help in his expertise on stylization however there was always that one Anon that felt as if Teal was doing it for attention when in reality Teal was just fulfilling what /ic/ is supposed to be that is offering advice and critique.

I honestly believe some may have even felt threatened to see a draftsman of his caliber perhaps they had their egos penetrated hence the disruption and shitstorms caused by those who did not like his way of giving assistance.

It could of been easily avoided by simply hiding the thread or the act of ignoring him but no they had to pull a "My way or the highway" stunt that effectively derailed the thread.

TL;DR - Stop liking what I don't like.

>>1721444
He always says and does the same shit, trolls and shitposts and when confronted he goes all "I'm not the only one doing this lol, how are you so sure that I'm the same guy XD, you guys are paranoid :p, cancer containment field!".
I've been here quite some time and this shitlord has been as well, we all know it's just one jelly faggot that finds comfort in derailing these threads and driving away people that can improve the board.

.

>>1721453
>Do you not see the same pattern from the bitter Anon when Teal was giving critiques and redlining drawings?

I saw anons falling over each other from being buttmad.

>There was no problem at first but then with the creation of the Anime threads it acted as a Catalyst for Teal to offer more help in his expertise on stylization...

I am starting see a stalker, however.

>>1721463
>He always says and does the same shit, trolls and shitposts and when confronted he goes all "I'm not the only one doing this lol

Why does that sound more like what you and every other anon here would do?

and you guys thought I was fucking crazy the first time I pointed this out

good job you fuckin dorks now lay in this bed you have made

>>1721463
>one jelly faggot that finds comfort in derailing these threads

We all know by now these threads don't need a troll to derail them. :D

>>1721469
Where's your proof?

>>1721468
>Why does that sound more like what you and every other anon here would do?
Nice projection man, I'm starting to believe you are this faggot we're talking about, otherwise why are you so on the defensive, we're not talking about you, right? *wink wink*

.

>>1721472
The paranoia is strong with this one.

not that anon, btw

>>1721469
no one thought you were crazy, truth is a small amount of people care about this shit, you got samefagged by the troll.

>>1721472
Did you change ID's? If I remember correctly you said you were done with these threads, that you were fed up with me.

>>1721474
You do a fine job with everything else but the one thing that ruins it all are the eyes. Its the eyes we see first and you have to figure out a way to make everything work especially the eyes. Keep experimenting.

I wish we where like 2chan's artwork board can't we all just get along please I hate /ic/ turn to shit this place has been good for me as far as resources go the critiques where spot on and honest please don't turn this place to an even bigger pile of shit please.

does the TDF never rest? why even make the comparison? chickenlegfag is nothing like teal.
in practice, kyle does the exact same thing as any other anon, he posts his work.

>>1721445
>power structures
anon, pls. there is no such thing around here.
if anything you can only compare progress.

>>1721484
this place has been like this forever.
the thing is, you people need to stop making up issues that don't exist. that way we also get less derailment.

>>1721484
Any suggestions

>>1721482
Thanks for the input. Care to elaborate what is wrong with her eyes? Is it asymmetry?

Here is a comparison image with the 1st iteration, I guess I could go all the way and make them smaller/more realistic but I guess that would ruin the rest of her features, besides I think I'm already pushing it with the way I rendered her skin.

>>1721489
Not him, but it looks like her eyes are going in two completely different directions.

>>1721489
I'll be frank. The eyes, and shape of the head is that of an Alien Grey. I think the problem lies with how realistic you do the lips and the nose and well everything else but it doesn't plug in well with the eyes resulting in an unpleasant look.

I am having a hard time trying to visualize the ears as the jawline is a sharp shape of a V. You know the longer I stare at her the more it has the likeness of a reptilian because of that V shaped jaw.

>>1721488
We need to post more of our drawings. Less talking more drawing, this is the number one issue I see I already posted my drawing I'm sorry if I am sounding like a cunt but we really need to start drawing more.

>>1721498
I post my drawings regularly, so I guess I'll stop replying to shitlords.

>>1721489

The eyes aren't focused on anything and that makes her look retarded or in circulatory shock

>>1721474
It's very pretty, but it almost looks like she's looking in two different directions.

>>1721489
Directions of the eyes are an easy fix, cut/paste/touch up. I kinda like the face in the first one better, it's more fuller, normal looking, whereas the latter's shading make her look more gaunt.

You also have a fuzzy texture to the scarf in the first that isn't in the 2nd. I'd add that back, the scarf is painted the same as the clothes, give us different things to look at.

>>1721492
>>1721496
>>1721502
>>1721506
I didn't realize that they were that bad but now I kind of see it, tbh the shock expressions was something intended but I think it misfired here. I'll try to fix it. Thank you guys.

>>1721511
I narrowed her face because her cheeks seemed swollen and to make her more feminine. I had a more defined jaw just before posting the last revision but I was afraid that it looked like a "man-jaw".

The texture is the same but with some changes to make the fabric look more delicate, I will try to find something to make it more believable.

Thanks for the input.

>>1721430
what

>>1721018
Kyle more feet please.

It's fun drawing on paper. I just wish it was cleaner so I can do more than just sketch.

Could someone redline or redraw this basically?
I feel like i have these proportions wrong

trying some screen tones in photoshop, what you think /ic/?

>>1721570
the problem that I see is basicaly the abdomen angle, maybe try to draw it more flat, nice stuff.

>>1721570
It's the perspective on it. The head looks like it's in line with or in front of the legs.

>>1721432

Learn to anatomy. At this point you're just tacking on lines and pretending they look like muscles. It doesn't even show much of a 3d shape.Get to gestures, get to creating 3d forms.

>>1721537
If you wanted shock you would have to contract the pupils. Also the rest of the features don't convey that feeling. Raising of eyebrows etc.

>>1721570
admirable effort with the angles, but there is definitely something wrong with the torso. I don't quite see the ribs. Her left side seems to have sunken in. Try redrawing the ribcage without the boobs and you may get a better idea. it looks a little like a tube of flesh. You may or may not have to exaggerate some curves and/or overlap some parts of it due to the angle. (I may be talking shit for this last one; I'm not too sure myself)

Also it looks like she broke her left arm. It looks like her elbow has gone behind her head and that's not quite possible.

Good morning

>>1721474
Fix the lazy eye and leave this alone already. Fucking Firez.

and just finished this

warm up

>>1721686
forgot image

>>1721489
>>1721537
Can't believe people still bullshit you with textures and what not.
Fix the eyes and it's finished, man.
You don't have to listen to absolutely everything people here tell you. My advice to you is when drawing a portrait just focus on the expression more. You can make photorealistic hair and clothes but those eyes will still stick out like a sore thumb.
It's a portrait and it should depict a person's face and expression, not telling you to neglect the rest but know your priorities.

>>1721502
This guy is right. The position of the irises and pupils should be more centered. Also, I don't know how no one noticed the position of those highlights. Color wise, if you wanna make her look more focused darken the pupils, if you wanna make her spacing out or something you can make them lighter.

>>1721682
it doesn't look finished

Pretty bold with the markers so I cant make any corrections but im all ears to cc
>hiding feet
>hiding hands

>>1721537
Agreed with >>1721608 that if you wanted a Surprised! expression, raised eyebrows and widened eyes would convey that emotion.

Make the Surprised! face in the mirror and emulate that. Also, many different surprised moods, happy surprised, horror surprised, shocked surprised, etc. Pick one and see what other features and body gestures are there.

The first face was perfectly feminine

>>1721682

those faces look horrifying. It's unfinished and in a bad way. At least put some effort to make them look appealing

>>1721682
Girl on the left looks really broken - upper arm is longer than lower, flat hands, cardboard box torso, missing collar bones, missing knees, balloon boobs.

Okay guys, I've been a lurker for a very long time but I've never posted my work. I've been stuck in a kind of depression for a few months, haven't improved at all, so I figured I should stop being a coward and ask you guys for some help.
Could you tell me what the major issues with my anatomy are ? I feel like the limbs are too long, but I'd appreciate it if someone with a better trained eye could tell me what they think. I also know my poses are way too stiff, but I don't know how to fix that.
Disregard the kind of beast and ghosts, I don't know what's going on there.
One last thing, is this level any decent for a 18 year old ? I'm so scared of being behind the expectations for my age.

>>1721723
just realized how awful the quality is, sorry about that.

>>1721018
>>1721488
The problem of the animu threads is that they're almost not anonymous anymore.
Everyone either uses a trip or his drawings are recognisable. Blogs are posted left and right.
I guess that's somewhat unavoidable, but everything is getting TOO personal here.

Don't scare Kyle off this board just because you don't like him as a person. You need technically skilled artists to help you AND the others.
And Kyle, if you see this, contribute to the board with more feedback on other people's drawings.
You don't seem like such a bad guy but understand that always posting drawings that don't really need critique is only separating the people here to 'Kyle worshipers' and people who get annoyed at them.

I'm sorry I brought this topic up again.
I really hope that everyone who will read this will understand that I don't want to argue and am writing this only as an attempt to keep the community together and prevent the 'derailing' of the animu threads which is happening to almost every thread in months.

>>1721695
>hiding breasts

Looks great except her facial expression sucks. Train with a waifu facial expression chart?

an uber huge one: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1665760

>>1721733
I'll try and contribute more
>>1721570
I think people are pointing out the chest because right now you have the breasts drawn like they are being viewed face on when you drew the back arched and being looked at from below. The left arm is up so that breast should go up a bit with it. When viewed low enough, you can also seen the bottom contour of the breast wrapping around the rip cage. Also the cross contour could be rounder on the pants to sell the low angle shot more.

>>1721727
gneiss

>>1721723
grind gestures on posemaniacs and just draw constantly, you're naturally gonna git gud with mileage. honestly m8, you would have a solid understanding of the fundementals if you get through every pose on there in every angle.

>>1721741
Thanks for the resource anon, my faces are pretty banal and repetitive

>>1721655
'Morning.
Most obvious issue is that she's very unbalanced. Other things are the random line weight and the colorful outlines. Better use only one color, you can change it later anyway. She's also kinda chubby but that might be intentional. Hands could also be a bit smaller.

>>1721723
Yes, the limbs are kind of long. Also male proportions. Either make the butt wider or the shoulders more narrow.

>>1721756
They look cute to me

>>1721608
>>1721692
>>1721696
Thanks. I fixed them, the highlights alone made a world of difference. Toned down the eyelashes and other features and as GrayDeath suggested I gave another hue to her attire

I will render her left hand and see if I can come up with something else, right now I'm way too deprived of sleep and little anon here >>1721660 seems like he's going to lose it if I post what I have right now.

>>1721746
I knew you'd understand.

>>1721759
I really don't know how no one noticed the highlights. Just finish the eyes, you've been drawing that at least for a week now.

>>1721018
>>1721808
Would you not be able to see a bit of the vulva at this angle?

>>1721812
True.

>>1721723

I'm afraid I can't say more other than 'it's bad'. You seem to have misplaced the collarbone, made the thighs the same width as the calves, and the legs are also a tad longer than they should be. Limbs also look a bit like balloons, so you obviously don't quite know how they look like.

Search up pixelovely for nude figures and start gesture drawing and get to practicing how the human body looks like. If you want to get technical, Loomis books are out there for your perusal.

With regards to stiff posing, you can try a 'line of action' which is a line or curve which indicates the general 'trend' of the pose. Google images will explain it better.

Also, age doesn't matter and it shouldn't concern you. You may be more worried about HOW much you've improved, but even so just ignore the thought and get drawing. It'll be far more productive than moping.

>>1721819
Thanks a lot for the advice. I did try to get into Loomis before, but really stopped at the surface; I have the pdfs somewhere, I'll study them properly this time.

WiP

>>1721695
>>1721741
>>1721756

>first time on /ic/
>want to introduce myself
>decide to draw self portrait
>hope nobody thinks I am a self-centered annoying shit or calls me ugly
>totally nervous
>make a grimace while drawing
>finally done!
>now to post it!
>got a reply!
>anon: You suck at drawing faces
>I just called ugly
>RIP self-esteem

>>1721838
Did you ever finish your Ryuko WIP?

>>1721844
You'll live. And you'll get better.

>>1721844
it doesn't mean you're ugly, it means you suck at drawing faces. literally.

>>1721847
>>1721850
It's a story and I'm not the artist.

>>1721845
No, I didn't. It's pretty much inked up, and I had plans to color it in a certain way. But then the series took a departure from what it started out as, and I didn't feel it was relevant anymore.

I'm thinking of farming out the coloring to someone else in the industry, doing some painterly stuff in the background, and make it a print for cons.

Might have to make a Nudist Beach "I Want You" poster, along with a Tron Uprising print, 2nd Dirty Pair doujinshi, etc. Too many ideas, not enough energy. ;_;

>>1721844
Good. Now GTFO

i don't know what i want to do

>>1721695
>>1721844
I liked it. It's cute, nicely proportioned and I thought it was originally done with ink washes, but marker? Not bad.

How do I practice proper line width control?

>>1721859
I want your job.

So I'm gonna stick to the page a week thing, but I'm gonna burn off all my shitty-ness on some one offs before I delve into a story.

>>1721874
>one offs
how're you gonna do that? just create random scenes with random characters?
asking because i may want to start doing that too.

in general, what are some good exercises for comicking?

>>1721844
>>1721855
Youre not me so lets keep our funny stories to ourselves to prevent misunderstandings. Its ok if you think im a qt female, but I dont want anons remarking out of pity >>1721865

>>1721878
I'm going one page self contained narratives, just building "muscle" slowly, figuring out what I need to learn.

>what are some good exercises for comicking
>Implying I know

I guess just make them? Simple, then complex.

>>1721882
Fuck you, I am gonna post stories as I like.

Enjoy your pity.

>>1721874
Looks like a good start. Person giving another person a sword and some talking?
>>1721878
Great, all I need, more competition. :P

One-offs as in a story/joke/scene in a page? Wouldn't be bad.

Good exercises for comics? I think everything people have been trying to pound down as the "fundamentals" or basics: anatomy, environments, perspectives, the ability to place your characters and other objects into a space convincingly (or passable enough that people don't care).

For comics, storytelling could be considered more important than illustrative prowess though. Making dynamic and interesting pages when it's full of talking heads can be as much of a challenge as an action scene.

>>1721882
Fine. No Pity. But is this the same Anon that did some Little Witch Academia-looking stuff back then? I did like that.

>>1721888
>For comics, storytelling could be considered more important than illustrative prowess though
yeah, that's actually what i was talking about.
i think i can work my way thorugh drawing wise, but storytelling and stories in general feel like something entirely new.

have you always been able to make comics or what did you do?

>>1721808
I hope you're not gonna clothe her that way when you spent time rendering that butt. I don't usually like the overdone detail in your rendering but this one was simple enough to match your faces and still look good.

>>1721890
Nope, probably not, I dont know that youre referring to

>>1721896
I'm not Kyle. I was implying he draws huge butts and decided to put some context in his study.

>>1721903
shit, i was wondering how kyle suddently knew to draw expressions

>>1721904
Stfu troll

>>1721874
small update

>>1721895
I've always had an interest in comics, which lead to going to school for illustration and then onto the comic industry.

Setting up panels is like being the director for a tv or movie. Keep in mind where characters are in the scene, establish the scene's layout somewhere on the page (doesn't necessarily have to be the first panel, generally it is if a new scene). You don't have to show background in every panel, especially if there's a lot of dialogue. Mike Mignola, Keith Giffen are excellent at simple, but effective storytelling.

And it differs from culture to culture. The way storytelling in manga is vastly different than what is done in the US, compared to what is done in Europe. To me, manga storytelling concentrates more on "moods," hence lots of pages with empty spaces, single characters feeling stuff. While American comics want to relay a lot of information in a single page and move the story along.

>>1721910
anon, stop being so knee jerk. it's like the tdf all over again.

i was genuinely surprised when i saw >>1721808
i mean it's not like kyle had a huge range of facial expressions

>>1721919
>i-i'm not da trwol!
Give it a rest Jelly-chan. We know your game. Now kindly please leave.

>>1721921
just stop, you fucking moron.

>>1721914
The gesture is a little odd to me, especially the placement of the feet. Is the offering up the sword in defeat, tribute, reverence? That gesture can convey a lot to the reader without words.

Either way, I'm not sure giving a sword with your hand enclose all around the blade is a good thing. Mighty slicey.

Also good to keep in mind is keeping enough space for the dialogue. I see that you are thinking about it, but you do have what looks like a balloon going right over the hilt of the sword. Yeah, it can make some panels look empty, but dems the breaks. Generally, I try to put the balloons at the top (although looking at the page I'm working on now, I'm breaking my own rules--they're more like guidelines anyhoo. ;P)

>>1721918
thanks for the input.

>>1721927
not entirely sure but i think it's a spear

>>1721928
Oh, well that would change things. I guess we'll see when it's fleshed out more.

>>1721927>>1721928

>it's supposed to be a spear.

Guess I'll hang myself. I was going for a confrontational posture >>1721929, yeah I'll just focus on cleaning it up for now.

>>1721930
Nah, you're okay. It's not like thumbnail layouts are supposed to solidify everything to the viewer, concentrating more on the paneling of the page.

>>1721923
Or what? Don't like it when you get called out? What are you going to do troll? Everybody is tired of your games. You don't post, you don't help. You get butthurt jelly and shitpost all day. Why are you here? Leave troll.

>>1721938
sure, just keep calling out random anons.
but everytime you say this shit, you can expect me to call you a moron. you can expect that in the future as well.

i know i'm helping you to derail the thread right now, but dude, you're a fucking idiot. you're why nothing nice happens around here.
you just can't help yourself can't you? you have to defend you idols for every little shit that happens.
are you trying to tell me that kyle does draw a lots of different cartoon/animu expressions? if not, what was wrong with what i said? was it really that offensive to you?

>>1721943
>posts wall of text
>say it's not a troll
Suuuuuuuure friend, whatever you say. Stay jelly.

>>1721951
not that guy but kyle dosent do any expressions and you cant deny that.

>>1720623
Dont you love that half line art half painting feel that every other armature devart artist has?

>not that guy
There are like 3 anons here and that seems to be the popular thing right now.
>so much samefagging

>>1721938
>>1721943
>>1721951
>>1721953
>>1721962
>>1721965
All of you.

>>1721966
top lel

>>1721966
thats autistic

>>1721966
I like it.

>>1721756
Reminds me of someone named Tellius.

>>1721966
>>1721971
You put way to much effort into that

>>1721966
cry harder cunt

NEW BREAD
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>>1721994
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>>1721727
10/710

>>1721997
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>>1722002
10/10*

>>1721994
I'll make a new thread with a drawing from here later, thanks anyway.

NEW THREAD
>>1722029
>>1722029
>>1722029

>>1721869

Change around your tip hardness settings in your tablet drivers, usually you'll want to go firmer than softer. Pressure levels in your tablet (512 vs 1024 vs 2048) play into it too. There's even a third party software that can tweak the pressure curve even further on CA.org's forums

>>1721921
>>1721938

Can't you tell he/she/it/they is playing the other side now to sow confusion in the ranks

Can't you see the patterns?

Noobody kares, stoopid kunt

I sure do like drawing heads.

>>1722318
draw something else, then

>>1724246
Sure.