/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>implying that because it's a different forum circle jerking isn't going to be as big of an issue as every other place.There's only 20-30 SB's right now and I already see worse artists being ostracized by the "big shots". Only Algen is putting the efford to actually give input to everybody.Everybody else is there only to suck each other's dick.
It's not a community.It's a commercial platform.

>>1706004
I'll be joining it to see how it goes. Don't like the layout much though.

That board looks pretty good, hopefully they keep it as simple as it is right now. With that said, I really don't like that Algen is the main person behind it. He seems like the kind of guy that once he loses interest he might close it down on a whim.

>Not even a Lounge or any sort of discussion forum

This looks promising.

>no stars
>no lounge
>no manley
>no feng
>no CA banners

10/10

>>1706004
I read that as Permaboobs, in conjunction with that picture.

>>1706004
That fact that tehmeh if he is not just trolling joined is a good sign imo.

I mean isn't it rumored applefinger and him are rivals of sorts? So for him to join in to algens forum is a good sign.

i will be signing up as well, i miss the old days of CA with the sb and the improvement based community.

I thought of trying to make a simila forum as well for sometime but im glad someone else did it.

So is all it is basically a place for sketchbooks and challenges? No art discussion?

>>1706039
who needs art discussion

>>1706041
who needs a place where you get less input than on /ic/ ?

>>1706041
>

>>1706023
stars need to be added for sketchbooks. I don't care that shit tier artists constantly whine about not getting the same amount of comments as good artists, but there needs to be a way to distinguish a quality sketchbook from a beginner sketchbook.

>>1706005
It's literally just started. Guys like Miles and Appleflinger and such miss the old CA sketchbook sections in their prime, and think that's what they want this to be. Drawcrowd is a commercial platform, this is hopefully a forum about getting better.

>>1706022
>>1706039
No idea. It's brand new, so they'll probably add in a few more sections as time goes on. The Character of the Week section was made after this thread was. I'd think there should be at least somewhere people can ask questions and such and ask for help, but no off topic lounge like in the past.

>>1706032
No idea. I doubt their rivals, unless you count friendly competition. Judging by his posts he's as excited to try get back the old CA git gud vibes as anyone else.

Algen seems a bit of a dick on this forum

>"Character of the Week 01: The Restorer"
>"The topic has no relation whatsoever to the nature of the forum :DD The fact that the first challenge in this place would be related to a topic like this has no significance and is purely accidental :DDDDD"

>>1706048
Everyone's commenting about the lounge. What was so bad about them?

I never really got into art forums. By the time I began drawing all of the good ones were up to shit. So hopefully this one, my first forum, can actually become something.

>>1706050
oh please, that's nothing. a lame joke at best.

Looks cool but right now it's full of newbs sucking tehmeh, algen and miles' dicks.

>>1706052
It's a place for neets to not post art and forum gutter kings who don't improve or want to learn. Or so i have heard. The average forum whore sits in lounge 96% of the time.

IC has that as well to but you kind of have to respect the people here on some degree as they are putting themesels out there to get ripped apart.

How did everybody learn about this forum? It hasn't been announced anywhere and suddenly it's filling up

>>1706057
Pretty much this.

A lot of unnecessary drama was cooked up in the Lounge.

>>1706048
>It's literally just started. Guys like Miles and Appleflinger and such miss the old CA sketchbook sections in their prime, and think that's what they want this to be. Drawcrowd is a commercial platform, this is hopefully a forum about getting better.

Sooo..your excuse is that after 2 hrs in.With 15 professionals and 10 beginners.Those 10 beginners get only 1 comment from Algen only.And the other cockmunchers are posting their shit and running off.Real quallity community ,guy.I dare you to go to the last page and find me one instance of a newbie artist getting a comment from anyone else besides Algen.And if your still gonna press on that It' just started excuse.I bet you cash after a WEEK that on the last page they''re still not gonna be one comment from the famous ones.

>>1706004

i think i'll join. skill celeing seems high, perfect environment to catch up. just kinda dreading the day all the noobs run it over.

crimson daggers atm is 90% terribads lol.

>>1706058
This thread is viralled byalgen

>>1706061
that's fine though.

>>1706058
>welcome to the internet
>welcome to a small world afterall .jpeg
>welcome to an even industry.

>>1706048
>rivals
But Algepfleger is times better than Tehmeh. Why would he see him as rival?

>>1706067
>the poor get poorer ,the rich get richer
>that's fine

give me a break

>>1706066
Probably, or by another member.

Don' see an issue with that though. What's he gonna do? Advertise on CA.org?

Though that would be hilarious.

>mfw I don't want to post my art since it will bring down the quality of the forums

>>1706075
you can still lurk and practice until the day you are ready.
meanwhile you can always shit up /ic/ with your turds

>>1706061
>ablooablooabllo I'm a shit artist and I deserve comments!

I really hate whiny cunts like you. Why the fuck do you think you are entitled to get the same amount of comments in your sketchbook as artists with actual good and interesting art?

>wheres anon?
>anon?
>theres no anon here!
D-DOUSHIO...

>>1706078
That's true

>>1706032

hi tehmeh

>>1706069

hi algen

>>1706071
Those "rich" you are whining about used to have the same problem that no one cared about their art and they barely got any comments in their sketchbooks. They worked on their art and improved and as a result people slowly started to care more about their sketchbooks.

when Algen or Miles started their sketchbooks on conceptart, they didn't whine about how unfair it was that Bumskee, Jaime Jones or Whit Brachna used to get all the comments and they got none.

>>1706061
2 hours is not a long time. When people join a site their first port of call is to make their profile, then their sketchbook thread, and then to comment on whoever their favourite artist's sketchbook is, be that Miles, Tehmeh, Appleflinger, whoever. It has JUST STARTED. Give people time to get their shit set up, and then they can start giving crits and help to the people who need it. Sounds to me like you're not bitter about low down people not getting comments, you're bitter about it not being from "the famous ones". This isn't about getting attention, it's about helping each other get better. Sorry if your sketchbook never got comments from famous artists, but don't be so goddamn bitter and butthurt about it. I bet YOU cash that guys like Tehmeh and such will be commenting on the beginner sketchbooks in the next week, because that's what was good about the old conceptart, before it turned into circlejerking and attentionwhoring. My first sketchbook on CA back in the day got comments from guys like Miles, Randis, all sorts of cool people, even though I was shit. Later on, those artists only posted in their own sketchbooks since the forum was overflowing with countless noobie threads and they were too busy working.

>>1706058
It was shared on facebook by a bunch of the big artists there. Community on that site is awesome.

>>1706078
Make a thread, update erry day or two. By the time you hit page 100, you'll have improved a bunch. There were a few great sketchbooks on CA like that, people starting from absolutely shit tiers and getting really gud.

>>1706080
>I'm a 2000 kid and want all the art to be instantly amazing and interesting no matter how much someone's trying.
It's a forum for helping eachother and giving crits and input.Not for dicksucking.There's plenty of facebook groups for that shit.
I never claimed that the comments on a thread should be praises.Im saying the exact opposite.
If you stop eating cocks for a second and actually read the comment you'll see.

>>1706087
Do you mind giving some example of those who hit page 100? Want a bit of hope/ inspiration

>>1706086
>Miles Jonhston studies at an atelier
>Thomas Mahon got in on the Dan Warren mentorship shit so is Even
>Algen is the only exception and as I already said he's the only one making an efford.

only in a perfect world you're equal in opportunities with those people.

>>1706098
Algen.

>>1706093
the point is people can decide who they want to pay attention to.
it's just natural that certain ones will get more attention than others, you can't force people to pay attention to your shit, especially if you are shit.
nevertheless, some people will pay attention to you even if you are a beginner because they're nice. and those people are all that you have to work with when you're starting out.

that's also what i was saying in the other thread: those pros aren't responsible for bringing you up their level, you are responsible for your own progress.
this "community" is just a place where you put yourself out and chat with like minded people.

>>1706099
Miles' main advantage was having Dave telling him what to do. Got to the stage where if he didn't do anything one day he'd post an excuse about being really busy so Dave didn't shout at him.

>>1706098
I'm trying to find the one I'm thinking of but I don't know how to work CA's sketchbook section anymore, shit sucks. I'll look through old bookmarks to try find some, some guys started off terrible but just kept at it and now they're pretty damn good.

>>1706104
>>1706098

Found the one I was thinking of, MindCandyMan is the perfect example of just keeping at it to get better. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/870-Journey-of-an-Absolute-Rookie-Paintings-and-Sketches

Jasper also improved a bunch, as did FinalKnight, though he was relatively good at the start.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/114873-!!-Jasper-s-Sketchbook-January-15th-(NSFW)-!!
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/109701-What-the-deuce

And of course, Algen, who went from awful to gud with a few years of constant work.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/114449-Algenpfleger-learns-to-draw-(He-really-does!)-December-2012-what-is-this

>>1706087
>people starting from absolutely shit tiers
Are you telling me that Permanoobs is also for beginners?
Or should I stick with Unmotivated Loosers for now?

This is cool.

I was hoping to start getting active within CGHub because it seemed like a good community, but it was closed down.

Onwards I guess, just sucks I took a lot of inspiration from users I followed

>>1706099
Except that you don't need to be great in order to get comments on your fucking sketchbook. When I started my conceptart sketchbook, I would have considered myself utter shit. I updated it almost daily without ANYONE commenting for the first few weeks. Do I think that was unfair or something? No, not really. My work was uninteresting and stupidly bad and everything people could have told me was stuff I already knew, work on my fundamentals and draw more.

Maybe half a year down the line, I've made some decent improvement while consistently posting new work and lo and behold, suddenly I had a 4 star rating and a whole bunch of people commenting after every update without being even close to as good as Algen, Miles or anyone of those people.

Wow im actually pretty shit
thanks /ic/ for lowering my standards

>>1706120
not the same anon but show your shit.You got me intrigued with your 4 star statement

>>1706120
dude im sure im worse than you when i had a sb on CA and one day i had 4 star sketchbook as well.

Apparently just improving from steamy shit to dog shit warrents 4 stars. i started down voting my own sb everytime i posted until it was at 3 stars.

I'd love to join the community but I just don't get the point of personal thread format. It's extremely inconvenient to read and nobody ever critiques anything seriously anyway. Even dA/cghub type of galleries is better in my opinion even though I'm not a big fan of that either.

>>1706064
pls dont

please NONE of you fucking post in this forum

>>1706115

you will most likely not get noticed or alot of feedback if you are bottom of the barrel. stick with UL until you notice you are above average on /ic/ then i think you can start safely posting on non-anon boards and create a "this is my journey" thread.

btw i studied with UL for half a year. was great. if i remember correctly many of the guys who would now be considered upper rank d/ic/ks where in the group with me at that time.

>>1706171

why? i just did. what's your problem, give me a good reason anon.

water is nice and warm you should come in anon.

>>1706171
Why? you want it to be exclusive cool kids only>?

>>1706173
algen pls go

>>1706177
Yes, Algen of all people wants the /ic/ retards to join his new community. Makes perfect sense.

>>1706177
Are you the same retard from the cghub thread who believes everyone who disagrees with him was either Feng Zhu, Noah or Manley?

You are mentally ill and need to see a doctor. None of these people are out to get you, none of them even know you exist.

>>1706188
manley pls go. there is no place here for your corporate greed

>>1706177
appleflinger pls

>>1706004
Stupid fucking name. Jesus christ what a faggot

>>1706217
well i kind of like it. like maybe it will help keep it on the down low like ic / is sort of underground and people are more focused on crit vs muh self promotion.

>>1706217
agreed, reminds me of the /ic/ group on devart called "unmotivated losers". I don't really understand the self-deprecating names.

>>1706221
Self-deprecation is for cunts. That's like telling everybody you grew up poor. Everybody grew up poor, there's nothing special there. Half the CA sketchblog titles were variations of "improving forever" "trying to get good" "if i don't get good i'll burn!" How about you introduce yourself? How about a name? What do you like to draw? Sheesh... You don't have to gloat, that's not what we want to see. Just calm down and act like you're among friends.

Contrary to what these anons will tell you, contrary to how bad they want you to feel. Nobody is better than you and you're not better than everybody.

>>1706221
>>1706217
:DD That's what you get when you quit conceptart and spend your time on deviantart :DDDDDD

>>1706172
ok, thanks for answer!

>>1706228
>Nobody is better than you and you're not better than everybody.
Why do you think so? People have different levels of intelligence, income, drawing skills and they differ in moral way (some are good, some are bad). It's logical conclusion, that there will almost always be someone better than you.

>>1706221
It's just a joke. Name doesn't really matter. Important part of group are people - they should better than you, so you can learn from them.

>>1706228
People like you constantly have to complain about something, don't they? "these guys are too arrogant" "Those guys are too humble" "stop being assholes" "stop being self-deprecating" "You are too nice to each other, stop circlejerking" "you are too mean to each other, stop being so mean"... sheesh.

>>1706245
>>1706247
Do whatever you want. I'm just telling you how you look to others. Nobody wants to hang around you, nobody wants to critique you, because YOU SUCK THE VIBES OUT OF A ROOM FUCKHEAD.

>>1706275
>projection

>>1706280
ok then call your thread "I WILL NEVER BE GOOD AS TEHMEH PLEASE GIVE ME A JOB AS A PAINTER"

>>1706361
What the fuck are you even talking about you moron?

Sheesh, everyone theres really good, I'm super afraid to post even here, no way I'd be able to make a thread there

Funny how Algenpfleger apparently had this site since 2012 according to his registration date.

Guess he had this idea for a while and was waiting for the right opportunity to get it started.

>>1706420

he probably read about anthony jones considering creating a forum and was like "THIS IS MY CHANCE QUIIIICK"

lets see how long until he tries to monetize it. not even hating on him, i would do it too.

>>1706441
I dunno man. Algen got pretty bitter about conceptart going to the dogs, and hated how Manley used his as a poster boy when he got the scholarship thing. When shit got bad, he left, and wouldn't be surprised if he really missed the sketchbooks scene when it was good and everyone had one and helped each other out.

>>1706403
Do it. Be the next MindCandyMan or Algenpfleger, start out as inspiringly bad.

>>1706403

i follow, subscribe, comment and bump every fellow d/ic/k religiously. promise. already spotted a handful.

drop me your name and i will be your shepperd.

Good on Algen for doing this. He's always been willing to share his process and give critiques; I don't see any reason why anyone should start ascribing ulterior motives to him now. He's a good dude.

>>1706458

i agree. that said, i cant deny that im terribly curious about the whole algen and tehmeh drama thing. plz gossip.

>>1706463
> algen and tehmeh drama
uuh, sweet drama! what happened?

>>1706448
Seconded, and already have a few guys doing it back which is awesome.

>>1706445
I'll think about joining up soon, I need some things to actually post

>>1706532
I'm gonna sign up there too.

Seems like a solid no-nonsense place right now, and I should even have some new stuff to post up soon.

I've got no excuses.

I'm not scared of how talented everyone is. I am scared I won't be an active poster. And I'm also scared to put my art online. I really want to start posting though. It kills me.

>>1706608
so do it

>>1706618
b-but anon what do i post...?

and to what frequency?

>>1706619
everything, every day or second day
at least that's what the mindcandy man did and look what happened

>>1706620
i-im not mindcandyman anon

>>1706621
yet

>>1706623
in a single post you've just made me realize what a lazy bitch i am. Uhg. Thanks a lot anon...

>"t-this forum is for improvement guys check it out!!"
>good artist posts
>50 comments of cock sucking after every sketchbook art post
>beginner posts
>nobody comments at all
Great forum you got there, so much better than conceptart.

>>1706632
I'm a beginner and got two comments without having commented myself yet.

>>1706632
haha i was laughing tehmeh asked for critique, but his art is too good for people to really say anything. And even if you did find something, his fans would attack you..

I'm sorry tehmeh but if you really think the average artist can point out something in your work without getting attacked by some fanboy you're out of your mind. My friend, you need to find an Asgard for art.

>>1706632
>beginner posts
>nobody comments at all
>Great forum you got there, so much better than conceptart.

Yeah, no one actually cares about your crappy art journey. People comment on good sketchbooks because they're inspired by them and bad sketchbooks because they want you to reciprocate in their sketchbooks.

It's not a problem with this or that forum. It's a problem with you expecting strangers to care about you. If you want comments on your art, make your art worth noticing.

>>1706046
im sure that'll be coming next.

>>1706637
I think I want the competition and honor of earning people's respect.

>>1706046
>stars need to be added for sketchbooks. I don't care that shit tier artists constantly whine about not getting the same amount of comments as good artists, but there needs to be a way to distinguish a quality sketchbook from a beginner sketchbook.

Yes, please this. Yeah, yeah, noobies need helpful comments more than pros... but there's an ocean of noobies, and no one wants to wade through them to find the good work.

>>1706637
holy shit you're a fucking idiot

what's the point of "noobs" joining if it's just another circle jerk.

why do people who are good even bother with this fucking shit when they've already got professional work to take care of.

>>1706640
>noobies need helpful comments more than pros
exactly this

>>1706639

Yeah, that's what it's all about. Nothing better than having a shit-tier sketchbook that no one looks at and turning it into something people WANT to look at through your own sweat and blood.

>>1706641
noobs is just an irionic title, relax. And it's not about you, stop being a bitch. The way you get comments on your shitty sketchbooks is to crit and comment on other sketchbooks.

Otherwise everything that anon said is correct.

>>1706641
>holy shit you're a fucking idiot what's the point of "noobs" joining if it's just another circle jerk.

How about accomplishment, you entitled, weaselly twat? Do you think any artist you admire got where they are because people held their hands? Fuck no; they had to suffer through sucking ass and being ignored too, but they actually had balls, which is why their sketchbooks deserve to get comments now and yours don't.

That's life, and it isn't gonna change. Deal with it.

>>1706645
And this is why I want to make a sketchbook. Im so used to being ignored I don't even care anymore.

Ok I want to make an account....

I don't want to use my real life name. Is this a problem?

Not even my closest internet friends know my real name. People I've known over 10 years... I have zero web presence, I don't even have a single google or facebook entry about me. I am truly off the grid. And I'm going to ruin it all by posting my name... This is truly a deep personal dilemma I know nobody cares about...

I was thinking of maybe my nickname with a variation? But is it stupid to use an online alias?

>>1706645
So the forum is for attention deprived pro artists, then.

>>1706650
better them getting attention then some faggot that wants to draw chinese cartoons

>>1706645
No, fucking dickhead. If you look at those "examples" of people that eventually got really gud, you'd see they were encouraged all through out the way, you self-important waste of space. My question originally was why the fuck would people go out of their way to make a forum like this and open it's arms to noobs with your kind of attitude if not to jerk themselves off over how good they are. Anyone can gain a sense of accomplishment without updating a stupid thread every other thread.

The world needs less assholes like you and more people that are willing to offer a helping hand. You can see that in a lot of great artists, who always try and give back to the community. Seriously cut that shit out, I can hear you mouth breathing from here pooftah.

>>1706650
>So the forum is for attention deprived pro artists, then.

There's just too much bad art out there to comment on it all. People are going to save their energy for the art they like. Que sera, sera. If you don't like it, work harder, like Algenpfleger or Tehmeh or the other guys who are getting lots of attention.

>>1706658
>No, fucking dickhead. If you look at those "examples" of people that eventually got really gud, you'd see they were encouraged all through out the way, you self-important waste of space.

Hahahaha, so that's your excuse for why you suck? You're not getting enough attention?

If you want someone to encourage your shitty art, go back to mommy and ask her to pin it to the fridge. But in the real world, no one gives a shit about your terribad Loomis studies. And whining isn't going to change that, no matter how loud a tantrum you throw.

>>1706649
You think Algenpfleger is his real name?

Seriously, worry about your anonymity when you actually have contracts coming in or when people start to recognize your work. This is not a problem you have.

Better to just start. you can always link to your work later if you decide to change your nickname.

>>1706649
I'm exactly like you. This is why I fail with blogs and other things. I just can't link them with anything because I don't want people finding out who I am. I love anonymity yet I want recognition. Does this make sense?

Using an alias or a pen name for things is no problem. Check all the forums. How many people actually use their real names? It's only become more popular as YouTube practically began raping you to change your username to your full name.

Just hurry up and make an account. The forum is new so you can bag practically any simple username without having to add numbers, underscores and all that shit. Got myself a nice username yesterday.

>>1706659
So the only reason not to use CA and such, is if you're bothered by noobs getting comments. AKA if you're a huge asshole.

>>1706665
well im not worried about usernames. I am pretty good at coming up with variations without needing underscores "xxx" or numbers.

>>1706663
alright that sounds good. come to think of it, nobody on those websites use their names, do they?

>>1706658
ever wonder why they call you an entitled twat?

have you wondered what the real life implications of your bullshit demands would look like?
i mean, really? you're going to call people "assholes" for not commenting on every single noob on the forum?
are comments that important to you? i think you've got your priorities wrong there buddy.

i said it before in >>1706103
people are going to help when they want to. the amount they'll do it is limited, but that's all you (and everyone else) will get. that's just how it is.
point is, you're in no position to demand this shit from anyone you self entitled twat.
once you get better, or once you draw their attention they will start to see you, but you need to work for that.

>based jai and jasper sketchbooks

so hype

>>1706680
>nobody on those websites use their names, do they?

Many do.

>>1706662
Are you a troll, or a retard?
It's easier to stay motivated, when someone notices that you're working hard, or when you hear from time to time a good word. It's that simple.

>>1706658
>The world needs less assholes like you and more people that are willing to offer a helping hand.

Funny considering you act like the biggest asshole here. You offer no helping hand to anyone, but complain why others don't offer YOU a helping hand.

there's no drama between us, I don't even know the guy but I love what he's doing here.

This site is excellent and gives me a lot of nostalgia for the old CA.org.

When CA started I was a beginner but posting alongside pros made me bust my ass off for those comments.
I barely got any helpful critique comments between my beginning and the end of CA, and that is a misconception i'm seeing here.
Having things pointed out that are wrong is not a great way to improve. You improve by being able to see those things yourself and fixing them. If you keep making the mistake of tiny heads someone may post something, but you would certainly be improving faster if you figured out how to spot that error yourself, because now you've just been told what to do, and are not any readier to make the next correction.
I've saved the redlines people gave me here over the years, and they were never what I envisioned - they made it more like that artist would draw it, and I disagree with them now.
I'm not saying critique is a terrible thing, but if you think it is vital you should sit back and consider if a teachers role is more in guiding the student with motivation than trying to show him how wrong he is.

So yes there may be very little critique, and there may only be posts of admiration in the better sketchbooks - and this is a great thing.
I saw those better sketchbooks getting praise from my empty thread, and I worked my -ass- off every single day to make my pictures to that standard to get comments, and what people here are calling empty useless comments were exactly the thing that motivated me.

People learn differently, and that's cool, but if you think the comment system is somehow broken then consider my experience with this. This really worked for me and the forum as it is looks just like CA did back then.
I joined CA.org in 2004, but I started my thread in 2010 - guess when I started actually finding motivation to work hard. Don't be afraid to start your thread today.

>>1706705
in addendum, the best way people can help you is by showing you how they improved, by showing you resources of ways to improve. I did extensive research into how other digital artists studied, into how traditional schools taught - the french, the spanish school, from enveloping to the reilly method I delved into every old and new book and most of it was irrelevant, but what did help me really helped me put me on the right path. This is not the right path for everyone, so you must research yourself. I realised I wanted to do illustrations that required lots of experience outside with plein air, so I saved up, bought a tablet and just did it, every day.

If you go to an atelier or undertake an apprenticeship you better be expecting to come out of it with work like your master, and that is for some people but not for me. Working without one you can learn about their methods, do your own bargue studies and life drawing, and then drop the parts you feel are not helping you achieve your own goals.
ofc i'm still learning, this is all very personal to me, but this worked for me to get me to a point where i can at least work fulltime, and hopefully there is something you guys can glean from this early morning ramble. just get on permanoobs already.

>>1706711
>just get on permanoobs already.
tehmeh confirmed for algens buttseksbuddy

>>1706711
>just get on permanoobs already.
ok

>>1706711
but I don't want my shitty drawings to be associated with a username

>>1706705
couldn't agree more with you. On a similar note, I also hope Algen will introduce the ca/cghub star rating system.

>>1706718
1. you can delete old images and many do, I certainly did. You won't be anybody so nobody will have saved them.
or
2. you keep them in the knowledge that a years time people will look back and congratulate you on your well-earned improvement. It's easy to be scared of the first page of a sketchbook, real or online, until you consider the day you'll be looking back and laughing at how bad you were compared to two dozen pages in.
You could even make a new anonymous name with the plan of deleting the account eventually, not like anyone will know who you are. But you will probably want to do the first two options when you reach that point.

>>1706711
>just get on permanoobs already.
no drawcrod is beter u just jelous becuz it's professional n modrn unlike ur grampa forum

Algen is a weeaboo with a gigantic ego. Fuck him and his attempt to create a community around him. Stay away from people like him, Manley and Feng

>>1706722
> Fuck him and his attempt to create a community around him

Looks like he already succeeded with that,. But I'm glad that you decided to stay away from it, you are doing this community a great favor by not being a part of it.

>>1706727
Fuck off, Algen

>>1706728
Why are you so bitter? Stop being such an egotistical cunt.

>>1706728
Yes, I'm totally Algen and I was trying to get you personally to join my new site, but unfortunately you are way too smart for me, you saw right through me. Darn it.

Oh well, seems like we have to manage to get by without having anonymous shitposter #21432523523 to join our community.

>>1706733
Are you mentally ill? Or just that autistic?

>>1706734
Everyone ITT is mentally ill

>>1706734
The person who sees Manley, Feng and now Algen in every single person who calls him out on being retarded calls someone else mentally ill? Now this is quite funny.

>>1706734
>Oh shit someone called me out on my bullcrap
>Better call them retarded!

>>1706738
>>1706740
If you take those comments seriously then you're pretty damn autistic. Holy shit

>>1706734
autisms is mental illness, faggot.

>>1706744
Not them, but If you are constantly acting like you are mentally challenged, why would you be surprised when people call you a retard?

>"a...are y..you autistic? I was just t..trolling you guys"

>>1706748
This was my first comment in days on here. I'm not the guy you think you're talking to

one thing the critics are missing is that if you want attention, feedback and encouragement, you gotta stand out. regardless of where you stand skillwise, bumping with new stuff, filling up the post count, will make you stand out. and as you frantically sketch and study and post, you will improve alongside it. the improvement will be clearly visible in your continous attention-seeking-posting-frenzy, and that will garner even more attention.

the guys who get zero replies and very little views are the guys who dont post shit. the world doesnt owe you anything but i feel like genuine hard work WILL bear its fruits, both in terms of exposure and improvement.

and fuck using your own name, if you arent ready for that yet, who cares? its all about improvement. the name i post with is completely retarded and i couldnt care less.

>>1706753
if you don't care, then what's your name?

>>1706754

swagtron9000

i regret that name already

>>1706754

starts with swag ends with tron9000

>>1706757
>>1706758
>baleeting your posts when most people have automatically updated threads

dumb

>>1706760
>Auto-updating this shit thread

>shitposting went up to 9000 after tehmuh posts
huh.

is it actually worth joining?

>>1706770
No.

>>1706770
Is it really too much work to do it and see for yourself?

If it turns out to be an useless piece of shit community, you can just stop going. If it's neat, then stay.
Better that than listening to the shitposters of this thread.

>>1706770
It's worth what you decide to make of it. If an oldschool conceptart.org style sketchbook section and weekly challenges motivate you to work harder and push yourself further, then it's obviously worth it. If you join this community, expecting that people will hold your hand and giving you top secret art tips that will magically make you improve, then no, it's not worth it.

>>1706777
I wanted to hear what you guys thought of it first. judging by this thread though it doesn't seem like it's worth the effort to be honest. you may call them shitposters but a lot of interesting points have been brought up ITT.

>>1706770
Don't feed the cancer. Wait for Anthony Jones to replace CGhub and see how that goes.
Algen has a big ego and is way too young and inexperienced to lead a community. Stick around if you're into drama but stay away if you want to become a professional

the samefag is strong ITT.

One guy on here is PASSIONATE about shit-talking this project, wow. it seems so positive, why dont you put that effort of shit-talking this project into your own work anon?

I started a sketchbook immediately because there is literally nothing I can lose from this.

>>1706783
Go away Anthony.

Why is tehmeh such a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard?

>>1706788
You can lose your time.

>>1706791
Because he is an idiot

>>1706791
Anyone who wants to help is a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard.

See: teal

>>1706791
he feels that a lot of the /ic/ tropes are wrong which upsets him in the empathy glands. so like most young men trying to convince someone of something he over-talks his points in an effort to imbue them with more imperative powah. he is in effect offering you a hand up and you are complaining about his grip being too tight.

>>1706791
I think it has to do with the fact that it hurts and angers you that he is a far better artist than you are. So every time he talks about whatever in a calm, collected and educational manner, you get offended by it.

>>1706811
>lot of the /ic/ tropes are wrong
This is simply not true

fug seems fun, will hopefuilly join.. most of the people on there are fucking monsters wow

>>1706808
teal is a different thing altogether.

>>1706815
maybe wrong isn't the right way to put it..misleading. /ic/ puts a lot of emphasis on things that aren't very important. the order in which you should learn, how many hours you should spend a day, photo-studies etc.

>>1706822
>lot of the /ic/ tropes are misleading
This is wrong also.

>>1706822
Just ignore him. he's disagreeing with every post here to cause drama, gain attention, and distract from the OP. Note how he hasn't actually argued against those tropes being wrong or misleading, or why tehmeh is a terrible poster.
He'll reply to this calling me out on something irrelevant.

I'm calling you out for being b8 m8.

>>1706827
Alright then. I guess it's just coincidence how the only people from /ic/ who actually became good at art always seem to disagree with these tropes whereis the shit tier artists such as yourself follow them religiously.

>>1706843
Read the sticky

>>1706858
Are you retarded?

>>1706829
i've only made those two posts.

but i can address the ones i mentioned i guess,

order of learning,
it doesn't matter, linear learning is for losers.

hours,
it doesn't matter, it's about problem solving, the actual hours you have pencil to paper is irrelevant. work smarter not harder. if you work more than you can benefit from, which may only be 1 or 2 hours a day at first, you won't get anything extra from it, in fact you might hurt your progress.

photo-studies,
much of /ic/ doesn't have the sophistication required to understand what they should be doing when they do a photo study. they aren't simplifying, they aren't exploring, they're copying the photo. often they will of convinced themselves they aren't, often they'll tell other people on here 'don't just copy the photo' and then go and copy the photo, thinking they weren't because they roughed in a bit of construction at the start.

>>1706863
Are saying the sticky is wrong?

>>1706645
>Do you think any [INSERT DESIRED PROFESSION] you admire got where they are because people held their hands? Fuck no;
You're dead wrong. The most successful people tend to have a shit load of help the entire way.

>>1706864
Order of learning:
Learn the funds, Loomis, Vilpuu, Hampton, etc., etc.

Hours:
You got to grind if you want to git gud

Photo studies:
Copying is practice too. Professionals do it all the tem

>>1706879
amazing

>>1706879
You forgot

Imagination:
You have to actually have ideas.

>>1706875
The most successful people tend to both work incredibly hard and actually go out of their way to talk to other people and try to make friends with people who can help them.

Losers like you on the other hand keep whining because the odds aren't in their favor for whatever reasons. There's always something preventing you from being as good as someone else and it's never your fault. This is exactly why you will never make it.

>>1706882
>>1706883
If you're so awesome, why don't you show and tell everyone here what the correct order is, the required hours and how to copy photos for study?

>>1706885
i think he was joking..

All talk and no walk. Should have known. Read the sticky, grind that shit, and stop crying like little bitches

>>1706898
That's weird, you must have forgotten to post your own work when you wrote this. Surely you can't possibly be as dumb as to claim other's are all talk no walk while you don't even bother backing up your own words.

>>1706901
The sticky is my proof.

>>1706904
Sounds like a cop-out

This thread got triple-stacked retarded. Wow.

It's pretty simple y'all:

There's this place, where you can post work, see inspiration, get critiques, and be motivated to crank out more work than you would by yourself.

Use it, or not. Whatever.

And if your problem is 'I never get critiques!', then there's two things that work:

>Post a ton of work, even a nobody gets noticed with a 100 page thread
>Give critiques yourself, there are plenty of others happy to critique trade with you

You get what you put in.

Viral thread.

algen please leave

>>1706943
Seek help. I'm dead serious. Go see a doctor because there is something wrong with your brain.

Inb4
>hurrpa durrp I was just pretending

you guys need to stop saying this shit you aren't cool or funny.

something is wrong with all artist brains you twat.

>>1706944
you've got to be really naive if you didn't think algen made this thread.

>>1706950
You have got to be seriously mentally challenged if you believe he did.

Please just stop posting for a second and think what he would have to gain from advertising a free, new forum on /ic/ of all places. This place has literally nothing to offer, not even traffic as we have maybe 100 regular posters tops. At least half of those are genuinely retarded and not even artists but just shitposters. The rest are shit tier beginners and maybe 2% are decent artist, who have all heard of this new site already through facebook or somewhere else. If I was Algen, I would actively try to prevent my new site to be advertised on this place to keep the quality of the artwork and the quality of the community at a higher level.

>>1706955
i think your norton troll detection subscription might of run out.

>>1706956
>might of
U trollin me or u just dum?

>>1706913
No u

>>1706955
Get help. You clearly suffer from autism

>>1706720
thank you tehmeh!!!!!!!

>>1706950
>>1706955

OP here, wish I was Algen so I could actually draw but I'm just some guy. I am also these posts: >>1706048 >>1706087 >>1706104 >>1706114 >>1706445 >>1706528 if it even matters.

>>1706705
>>1706711
This. The critiques and such are nice, but the main advantage of something like this is the pressure to keep posting and working hard to do so. Miles got so good so fast on CA because if he didn't do enough work Dave would call him out on it.

Shame this thread went to the dogs somewhat but that's expected here. I'm glad to hear at least a couple of you are signing up on there and I'll be sure to give you some feedback on your sketchbooks if I recognise your work from here.

For those worrying about being crap, don't. If you're terrible that's all the more reason to start a sketchbook thread, trust me that the desire to get ten pages worth of studies between you and the terrible first posts is strong as hell and helps you work. As some proof that we're all terrible at the start, feast your eyes on my first CA post on an instantly abandoned sketchbook thread. I usually stay as anon on here as I can, but if it encourages someone to make a sketchbook then it's fine. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/157750-The-Journey-Begins?highlight=

Started another one a while later which I kept updated for a few years and that helped me get a bit better, but don't worry about the first post being awful, if anything that'll make your improvement more noticeable and something to be proud of.

>>1706968

funny i didnt know you posted on /ic/

been seeing your funny sunglasses-jaime-knight in fb alot and saw you post alot on permanoobs too lately. gonna start stalking you now.

"waaah i wos gunna do that forum m8, waaahh why won't people suck muh dick anymore, muh enviornments waaaaaaaaah" - tehmeh

>>1706884
>The most successful people tend to both work incredibly hard and actually go out of their way to talk to other people and try to make friends with people who can help them.
Does this somehow negate the fact that they have help along the way, contrary to your claim.
>Losers like you on the other hand keep whining because the odds aren't in their favor for whatever reasons.
I've made two posts in this thread now, including this one.
>There's always something preventing you from being as good as someone else and it's never your fault.
Strawman.
>This is exactly why you will never make it.
You have no idea who I am or my artistic capability, or even if I want to "make it" when I have already had a career that was not art related.

>>1706978
Like I say, I tend to keep very anon on here, mostly help and critique other people instead of posting my own work. Yeah, I'm mainly active on fb and now going to bring that to permanoobs more, encourage that community to grow. Stalk away anon, if I can figure out who you are then I'll stalk you back.

>>1706968
>OP here, wish I was Algen so I could actually draw but I'm just some guy.

That's precisely what Algen would say

>>1706963
>Provide argument/factual statement that can not be refuted.
>HUURRR DUUURRRR AUTISM!
>I won!

This thread shows just how toxic /ic/ truly is. No one but a handful of people seem to care about art and improvement, everyone else talks like they come straight from /v/ with their viral paranoia and all this retarded shitposting.

Well, I guess it's a good thing that these people will stay away from a potentially good new art community.

>>1707027
Jokes on you bro, my sketchbook already has 13 posts.

>>1707033

which makes you not-part of the problem. unless you shitpost and shitpoints and still contribute, study and progress. in which case you probably have some kind of personality disorder lol

>>1707041

>No capitalization
>Nonsensical punctuation
>lol

Cancer please go.

Danke, Bernd.

>>1707043
Was wohl aus Krautchans Kunstboard geworden ist...


Oh weh.

>>1707043
Kein Problem ;)

>>1707050
Was soll das denn heißen? Die Kunstecke war schon immer unter aller Sau

>>1707057
Ich meine es war mal deutlich besser. Kann natürlich sein, dass ich damals einfach blöder war.

>>1707027
yea best they can do is hide in a corner of /ic/ shitposting in threads like this.

>>1707050
>>1707052
>>1707057
>>1707062

fuck off krauts

>be kraut
>hate krauts
>fucking krauts being krauts on 4chan

>>1707095
>2014
>not liking sauerkraut

>>1707151

you ever tried it? it's fucking disgusting. the only good food in this god forsaken country is foreign cuisine.

>>1707190
i like it, goes well with sausages.

>>1707190
you got to mix that shit with mashed potatoes and sausages.

>>1707209
>>1707203
guys dont forget the delicious bacon cubes

The only thing that i don't like is the fact there is no thumbs for the sketchbooks and that the profile/replys are on the right.

fix those to minor things and we are good.

>>1706004
i hope someone told applefinger to fix that fucking leg, looks like a twinky.

can you cut out the maymays please? thanks...

>>1707262
>top kek.

tfw my sketch book is going to be called that.

>>1707264
please for the love of god don't

i will have to slit my eyes if i see another 14 year old making references to /ic/ or 4chan.

>>1707268
but im almost thirty, j qt 3.14

>>1707268
I shall call it "The chronicles of 4chan"

>>1707271
>>1707272
NOOOOOO stoooooooooooop you guys...

If you guys do it i'm gonna find you and strangle you.

fuck i dont knw what to post, all these drawings suck balls

>>1706791
>Why is tehmeh such a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard?

You're just mad because he set you straight about your entitled attitude toward getting comments on your noob work, aren't you?

Seeing all the skilled people on there really stresses me out. I get the impression that by the time I reach a professional level the market will already be full of people like me.

>>1707300
better drop out now unless you want to waste your time

>>1707300
[dramaticspoiler]It already is.[/spoiler]

>>1707300
meh i don't care im making one, it couldn't hurt.

>>1707300
just post your shit nigga, as long as you have the incentive to improve.
The pros are really intimidating but take it as a challenge

>>1706955
>At least half of those are genuinely retarded
Now I got spit on my monitor, anon

>>1707314
for what reason are you slobbering your face all over your monitor? are you genuinely retarded?

>>1707300
>>1707308

post your names if you want. will follow, bump and crit. don't even care if you do it back or not.

you are my /ic/ bros. i would love to "find" you all by myself over there but it's probably gonna be impossible.

>>1707315
yes

>>1707315
yes

>>1707317
thank you anon i admire that. Im gonna try to earn it fair and square and try to be apart of the community. I have 2 pros on my IM list, i'm not even going to tell them who i am.

>>1707306
So will it be at all possible to get a job as an illustrator in a few years' time?

I can already draw, I just don't know how to paint yet, so this doesn't affect my decision to improve. I just find it annoying that I might not have any real secure employment.

>place is called Permanoobs
>filled with fucking talented people.

yeah..no.
Imade an account but after looking at the sketchbooks I'm sure I'll never get the courage to post anything.

>>1707328
If you're one of the best at what you do, you'll always have work. Look into niches and such though if you're particularly worried about job availability, a lot of illustration areas are really competitive now since so many people do the same thing (e.g. robot photobashing or chainmail bikini fantasy chicks) but others are less so. Also be sure to keep an eye on job advertisements from the big companies. if anyone here wants to work at a studio you should consider environments, good environment artists who can create a concept in 2D and then model it in 3D are in huge demand at the moment.

Wow. Just learned CGHub closed down. I loved that place man. Some really awesome weekly challenges and galleries.

The growth of this site might skyrocket. Though, I can't say I like their layout right now. It's only a matter of time until the quality goes rock bottom to the amount of DA/tumblr kids. But I'll stick with it.

>Look at the sketchbooks
>Look back at mine

Have to face the fact that you suck someday right?

>>1707334
I also would point that having something identificable in your work can help a lot, like zedig, loish etc etc etc (first ones who came t my mind, some will love them some will hate them but their work is easily identificable. Dont just become a copycat with the random girl anime armor sword n456

I really wanna post in the sketchbook section but my stuff is so bad.....

>>1707338
Agreed. Finding a niche/market of what you want to do is important like I said, but equally so is having a distinctive look to your work. When you get commissions you also get a much better pay if they're paying you for the work because it's yours. I mean like a Craig Mullins concept art piece is instantly worth way more than one by some unknown or copycat looking artist. All about choosing how to market yourself.

>>1707339
Do it faggot. There's a decent amount of d/ic/ks on there now who'll comment on your stuff even if no one else does. Let's all git gud together.

>>1707339
so get good

>>1707339
god damn it how many people already said this now?
grow some backbone people, if you ever planned to start a sketchbook, might as well start it there.
just don't expect anything. a sketchbook is not made for comments, you should know what a sketchbook is for.

is it me or the site is broken as of now?

just registered, im not as good as the most of the lot but who cares, its a journal to log our progress, remember everyone started shit.
It will deffo keep me motivated to dish out stuff

I'm absolute beginner level, but looking to improve, and am considering joining. Should I even bother, or am I just better off sticking to myself till I become average? I don't want to "degrade" the forum with my lack of skill, since that seems to be a concern voiced itt, especially if it's unwelcome in these kind of communities.

>>1707363
if it's anything like how ca was when i first started i say join. i got some useful crits. but it was the 1 or 2 guys who took interest in my sketchbook that i thought were great that really pushed me to want to get better.

>>1707363
trust me, the pros you see on permanoobs started with poor skills on a similar sketchbook format. I say go join and work your ass hard and pump up your sketchbook!

how great will it be when you''ll be good and inspire new artists looking to your progress

>>1707363
go for it, i'm learning to paint digitally for the first time so i have a looong way to go, but i'm hoping despite the shit work i'll ultimately make that i'll see some real progress.

>>1707371
>>1707373
Thanks guys, that's really motivating to hear. I'll probably register as soon as I get home today. I've only recently started with a book recommended on the sticky, and I'm eager to see improvement if I work at it everyday

Another question, do people generally only post the work they feel proud of, or absolutely everything they do?

>>1707378
I think to get the best feedback and also to learn you should post things you have tried on.

that can be a group of sketches or studys or a unfinished painting.

what you don't want to do is rush work or just slap something down so you have something to post. which is trap i and im sure others have fallen into.

>>1707336
are you living under a rock or something

dat feel when i probably wont be posting here much anymore.

you guys won't miss me though.

>>1706004
That is the most misleading forum title.

>>1707381
Thanks a ton for the advice. I guess, hopefully within a week or two I'll have something worth posting

>>1707383
Why not? The old CA style sketchbook forums are great, but here there's anonymity, and so people won't hold back on telling you what's shit or not. Best to do both I think anon.

>>1707389
why do you say that?

>mediocre girl posting work on site
>everyone praising her work and sucking her clit when she has alot to work on.
>allmywhy.jpg

>>1707451
What's the matter anon? There's no need to be clit-envy, they have surgeries for that.

>>1707451
>>1707469

she called her sketchbook "sketchboob" and her name is green. i mean that alone is a gigantic attentiongrabber. its not even due to her being female.

I feel sort of embarrassed posting my shit on there Everyone is so damn good. I'm scared that contributing my less than average work is lowering the quality, honestly.

>>1707470
Oh yeah, her.

Exactly the sort of person that could grow at Permanoobs, she's popping out work to keep her thread bumped, replies to other sketchbooks, and all in all knows how to play the game to get what she needs.

She even bumped my 'book earlier today, wasn't a big comment but a bump's a bump and I'll probably return the favor at some point.

Why you so mad? Maybe you should take notes instead.

>Inb4 "pencildick"

>>1707470
Really that's not all of it. I found the sketchbook and instantly went. oh yeah, her.

He's been really active on the forum, posting in all the threads.

Well I posted. I feel like I jumped out of a plane and opened a parachute.

To be honest, I'm mostly fearful that I won't make improvements. Uhg whatever.

>>1707517
>Well I posted. I feel like I jumped out of a plane and opened a parachute.
Part of it is posting without your anonymity. Someone can call you out on your bullshit and that's scary. but hey, it'll be more fun if you do get some positive replies.

>>1707518
That's a good analogy. I want to defend myself, but I'm sure I said some crazy bullshit.

But it's interesting when you take a risk and say something that would detriment your reputation. And it ends up being the very thing people admire about you.

>>1707520
It's also interesting when you say something and it ends up being the very thing people think you're retarded faggot.
I'll stay here, anonymous, thank you very much.

>>1707521
There's almost no real defense for that. But it's too easy to call people an idiot when things aren't going your way.

>>1707521
Try to be sincere and don't be afraid to apologize.

>>1707517
It's very worth it though.

Just got called out for letting style get in the way of clarity.

I tend towards an Oriental or Medieval stylization, which I'm fine and happy with... realism bores me a bit. But if that style makes my illustration difficult or impossible to comprehend, that's not acceptable.

A bit of abstractness is okay, but I'm still trying to be representational. Best part is that there was no hint of "not real enough" or "needs more reference" but just a straight up "hey, I can barely make out what you painted. Your style's nifty, but unfuck yourself".

A'ight, sounds like I need to focus on my values and a few other things. Working that out on a drawing now.

Good critiques are pure gold, it's worth feeling vulnerable and if you have an open ear then a lack of improvement will be the least of your problems.

all the faggots saying your work is gonna drag down the quality. you think mindcandymans first post dragged down the quality on conceptart.org when he started? damn right it did, that's why his thread is so amazing

>>1707537
Reminds me of some other thread here in /ic/, where some guy was arguing that William Blake's illustrations did not count as art until it became a part of history and exemplified the time of Blake and was thereby more than a mere illustration now.

The argument was... uh, well outright fucking untenable really.

However it's an interesting point.

Mindcandymans', or Algenpfleger's, or a dozen or so other artist's first posts on CA.org were crap. And they did bring down the artistic average on CA. But when the artists improved, not only did their new work raise the quality of CA but their old crappy works gained new value as an example of who the once were in contrast to who they had become.

And, by extension, your crappy artwork isn't just some crappy artwork anymore. It is now the promise of a new great artist, because if they could do it so might you.

Fuck man... if Duchamp can slap a piss-bucket into a museum just by comparing it to the idea of a fountain, your goddamned crappy artwork can rise to the same level by comparison to its potential.

Just post some shit, and make it smell like roses.

>still at the registration page since yesterday
>can't find a decent username
Fuck my life.

>>1707548
meanwhile everyone else is drawing

>posted something last night
>woke up with my thread in mind first thing in the morning
>1 reply
Its a pretty bad feel
But its a really encouraging feel
Gotta git gud

>>1707556
>posted something last night
>woke up with my thread first thing in the morning
>0 replies

consider yourself lucky

>>1707451
bitch has like 46 posts

>>1707556
>>1707563
comeon, this isn't your first time posting your art on the internet.

>>1707563
I went like a whole month without a single comment on my ca.org sketchbook while I was updating almost daily. You just have to distance yourself from it in the beginning. It's not an insult to your person, it's not an insult to your art, no one means anything bad by not commenting. Just think of your sketchbook as a way for you to track your progress and comments will come in time.

>>1707556
>>1707563
cmon guys same for me but who cares , are you commentting on everyones book? sure im not. i just wanna fill it with my work and then maybe people will comment but thats not my goal

The lack of both thread-thumbnails and a rating system makes it kind of difficult for people to get comments and views on their SB unless their name is already known. I really hope Algen will add both of it down the line.

>>1707576
I hope he doesn't

>>1707580
why? It has nothing but benefits for anyone who isn't already famous.

>>1707583
I wish he'd add upvotes too, and perhaps a karma like system. I think that would benefit them too.

>>1707584
Okay excuse me, you are just the shitposter from yesterday, got me, hahaha. Epic trolled.

>>1707584
literally the only people against rating systems are hugbox deviantartists who are too afraid of reality checks and at the same time are so fucking bad at art that they don't even expect to get better in the future. I'm sorry to break this to you, but not everyone is the same. I want to know who is good at art and who isn't at first glimpse and not by randomly clicking through sketchbooks.

>>1707589
>literally the only people against rating systems are hugbox deviantartists who are too afraid of reality checks and at the same time are so fucking bad at art
dat leap of logic

>I want to know who is good at art and who isn't at first glimpse and not by randomly clicking through sketchbooks.
you are lazy as fuck faggot. good luck getting good with that attitude.

any of you gonna join the challenges? seems like a good way to actually do something finished

>>1707589
>arbitrary rating system
>beneficial in anyway

Top fucking laugh mate. But of course! Not everyone is the same, that's why such a system would be so beneficial for everyone!

>>1707585
/ic/ consists of more than four people, mate

>>1706004
I'm actually glad this exists now. It'll drive all the tumblr cancer away from /ic/.

>>1707610
Anime cancer too.

>>1707603
I have never ever seen a 5 star SB on ca or cghub that was not at the very least decent. So how exactly is a rating system arbitrary?

You must be really incredibly stupid if you can't see how a rating system would be beneficial for everyone. ESPECIALLY for shit tier noobs like you.

>>1707610
If guys like Tehmeh or Catbib are considered tumblr cancer, I'd much rather associate with them than with the likes of you.

this thread is a fucking riot

>>1707618
>muh tehmeh
Keep sucking that dick anon. Let's see how that works out for you in the long run.

this is actually pretty fucking terrible. I don't see how this is supposed to be the next ca when everyone is such an elitist asshole, it's sickening.

>>1707626
Grow a fucking spine faggot.

>>1707626
>Muh hugbox

>>>tumblr

>>1707638
there's a difference between a conducive environment for learning and improving, and a hugbox. this is neither. it's nothing more than a circle jerk for wannabes and artists who aren't even worth their own salt. you can expect better critique from IC.

>>1707451
holy fuck, this a million times.

once again proving how women have it so fucking easy, well attractive women at least.

i think it's hilarious how all these pathetic guys post on her sketchbook as if it they were on okcupid or some junk.

>>1707470
it has everything to do with her being female. go whiteknight somewhere else.

>>1707620
Trying to learn from people that are better than me will sure as hell work out better than shitting on everyone who is better than me and reveling in my own pile of shit, like what you seem to be doing.

>>1707643
>you can expect better critique from IC.

How with people like you posting here?

>I'm gonna make a sketchbook and skill will fall into my laps
>All I need is muh grind and perseverance amirite guys
Feels good I'll never see any of you git gud.

>>1707667
but that's true

>>1707667
>Feels good I'll never see any of you git gud.

Why? does it make you feel better about your own failure?

>>1707667
>I gave up on getting good, please do the same and stay here in the dirt with me and shit on others instead of working on improving

Look at this husk of a man and laugh.

>>1707667

>>1707671
>>1707672
>>1707675
>>1707682
It's true though. If how good you got was solely reliant on how much you grinded and believed in yourself there would be a lot more incredible artists. None of my breakthroughs came from doing the stereotypical X amount of gestures/anatomy/whatever studies a day.

>>1707738
It isn't solely dependent on just working hard and believing in yourself, but that's an essential part. There's never been a successful artist who didn't bust their ass.

>None of my breakthroughs came from doing studies

Oh? And where did they come from then?

>>1707764
Feel it

>>1707769
Your skills came from your feels?

And in no way did practice refine your skills?

>>1707626
>I don't see how this is supposed to be the next ca when everyone is such an elitist asshole
>ca
>elitist asshole

>>1707774
practice it
refine it
feel it

so what exactly makes it elitist?

>>1707981
the name is misleading.
it has nothing to do with noobs, or newbies, it's guise to draw in helpless faggots, give them a false sense of hope, and give the site more notoriety.

in reality it only benefits those who are already somewhat established. i'm talking about algen, catbib, miles. i'm talking about faggots like tehmeh and the like. furthering them rather than helping those aspiring artists who truly need guidance. who haven't made it yet and who could really use the critique.

the site should be renamed permacocksuckers. because that's what it is really all about.

though some faggots do make a point. and rightly so. no one is obliged to hold anyone's hand through this process. it is after all a doggy dog world out there.

all in all it's just rather pointless for noobs to join.

>>1708100
>the name is misleading.
The sentiment in these places usually has something to do with always trying to learn new things. You're never done, there's always room for improvement.

>>1708100
you are a very sad and very dumb person.

Damn it conceptart I just want to catch up on the forums without having to wade through twenty compliments every time someone says something clever. They add nothing to the thread.

>>1708100
Most of the people you listed were all pretty damn terrible themselves when they started their sketchbooks on ca.org. Did Algen, Miles, Tehmeh etc only join to suck the dicks of Jaime, Whit, Wes Burt and co? Nope, they worked hard on their art and thrived off of competing with professionals in weekly challenges and just being surrounded by better artists was a motivation to them to push themselves harder.

You on the other hand believe that doing a shitty photocopy per day, posting it in the /ic/ draw thread and getting told "it's shit" is the pinnacle of what noobs like you need to do to improve. Harsh critique and all. Never thinking for yourself and using your own brain, always expecting others to do that for you. This is why you will never make it.