/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

So...why exactly can't this stuff go in the draw thread?

>>1701734
anime makes them angry
thus why they call these "containment threads"
avoids shitstorms
not that these threads aren't half shitstorms any way

>>1701734
>So...why exactly can't this stuff go in the draw thread?
Too soon.
Wait another year, two
Actual generation of /ic/ anons will disappear in the sea of younger artists with different view on art. It's not a positive phenomenon but it's happening and it cannot be stopped. The tastes and perspectives change.

>>1701702
What do you mean? My crappy stuff is in the other thread. I linked it to you. Did you even read my post?
If you're talking about my learning process, then yes, several things inside the sticky were involved. I didn't learn directly from the sticky because i wasn't at /ic/ at the time, but the resources are not that different:

>drawing on the right side of the brain
>vilppu anatomy videos
>youtube mattarchambault
>lots of other articles and videos and books that i don't recall now. of which some were more, and some less useful

Honestly, why would any of these try to misguide you? You can only misguide yourself, take some responsibility.
And i say this as someone who does have a few bad habits.

>I have no turn
ok

>>1701746
Stop wasting your time on a pathetic troll,

>>1701753
b-but i really want to see his art.

>>1701734
These threads attracts pedophiles and over bearing weeaboos, regular draw threads have it bad already with the MUH STICKY wimps and the wannabe concept stars, why add more fuel to the fire?

>>1701754
Show us your stuff, already. You got time to make textwalls, but can't post one prize sticky study?

>>1701753
Stop coddling, it's pathetic. Shouldn't you be playing uno on the irc, instead of whining?

>>1701754
You don't need to draw well to see shit anatomy. That's why normals can see if somebody is retarded or just plain ugly, they don't need a medical degree.

>>1701756
This is why sketch book threads

>>1701754
>>1701762
Can you faggots just realize that neither of you are going to post any art for proof to a point that everyone has already forgotten so we can get back to normal posting? Fuck, it's like I'm in High School again.

>>1701762
>sticky study
what are you even talking about.
i already showed you my stuff. do you want to see a figure drawing/gestures specifically?

and how about you post your art

>>1701762
>>1701768
I don't really know what's going on but skimming the past thread, do you guys have reading problems? One of the two anons already linked to a post they made in the progression thread.

>>1701767
>i already showed you my stuff. d
Where?

Why don't these threads ever have an op image made by one of the resident short bus riders that post herein.

Misrepresentation I say, misrepresentation.

>>1701771
OP image this time looks photobashed and overpainted though

>>1701773
try to find it yourself. just follow the reply chain.
it's already embarrassing enough, i'll not post it again.

>>1701754
Seeing his art isn't gonna help your art as much as taking a deep breath and grinding through Bridgeman.

>>1701756
Regular draw threads are usually alternative art/stylization threads as well, just not japanese stylization. And people posting in the regular drawthreads usually just aren't honest enough to admit that.

anime weed lord

>>1701797

That looks kinda terrifying anon but I'm somewhat jealous because I always wanted to draw something like that. Maybe try making the eyes less nightmare inducing.

>>1701797
Are you studying of Kyle? Pretty sure he delivered blazing Uiharu in a dr/a/wtread.

>>1701805
I'm pretty sure that's just kyle, dude.

>>1701797
This is terrifying in many ways, btw.

>>1701778
Are you referring to that grayish abomination? Yeah, that is embarrassing. You have to walk me through your process, I'm astonished and genuinely curious how you think through a project.

>>1701812
>grayish abomination
not sure if you got it right. this is getting too confusing.
it's this >>1700943

>>1701814
Oh wow, that is amazing. You went from genuinely creative to a straight hack. Why can't you post anything else? Too busy? On your period? Used all your resources?

>>1701805
no I am kyle I just thought that old pic was funny so I added her holding the piece.

>>1701818
how aggressive.
i get what you're saying though, i'm trying to get the creative thing back. but i wonder if it's just something that is lost with my youth, i sure hope not.

>Why can't you post anything else?
do you see anyone else posting several things over and over? it usually get's people pissed. and not everybody might like my style or my stuff in general. i'm not that overly thrilled about it myself at the moment.
>inb4 hands etc etc
i still suck at many things. i know that.

>>1701838
h-how do i be able to draw non anime chicks on command sir?

>>1701838
Anon, why do you argue with the guy?
I like your stuff a lot. On that note, do you have a blog?

>>1701838

Don't be discouraged anon, I like your stuff too. You just need to work on your hands a little bit.

>>1701838
>do you see anyone else posting several things over and over?
Firez posts xx number of times and still has time to post text walls. And he does copy pasta too.

>>1701850
Leave Firez alone.

>>1701851
Or what? What are you going to do?

>>1701838
gah i need to start not just drawing static head poses. these are great.

>tfw finally getting around to learning anatomy to get better at drawing anime wimminz

>>1701857
>we will be next the samura and hiramoto r-right ;_;

my first at temp at a homoerotic drawing

>>1701872
why is his wiener giving me a thumbs up?

>>1701872
why is that glans so small?

>>1701877
>why is his wiener giving me a thumbs up?

>>1701872
Why would that be homoerotic? You can always draw a female on top or beside him.

>>1701887
could I get some feed back on this girl. is her left leg not long enough

This is so embarrassing but I need to hear it from you guys. Lightly used reference for gesture and hand. I'm sorry if I make you cringe.

>>1701850
I've improved that behavior. Sorry about those times but /ic/ is basically the only place I have for feedback and I'm still a noob full of doubts.

>still has time to post text walls. And he does copy pasta too.
I'm guilty as charged about the text walls. However, I've never posted a copypasta maybe you're getting a sense of repetition because the only advice I can give is at foundational level.

>>1701851
<3

>>1701921
Well...I'm happy you're at least starting to draw something other than basic construction. If you already know what's wrong with it then you already knew what you need to work on.

>>1701918
i dunno about the leg, but i do hope that you plan to make her a little bit smaller.
it might just be me, but with the perspective, she seems bigger than the dude size-wise.

>>1701918
Her mid->ass area is a tad disproportionate to the chest/shoulders, unless you're going for some cool walking pear-type person, then it's great.

>>1701923
why do you trip?

this isn't a forum like gaf. we're all anonymous here anyway, your identity should have no precedence over your artwork.

>>1701941
Why are you going out of your way to give tripfags attention?

Recursive filtering is a thing you know.

>>1701945
i'm not going filter him simply because I don't like him, that would be incredibly asinine of me.

>replying to a post == going out of my way
i just want to know what drives him specifically to use a tripcode. just a question, no need to get your knickers in a twist.

>>1701953
He just wants to be known as Firez I don't see what the big deal is.
>>1701924
Hehe that bad huh well moving on. Thanks for not making fun of my nipple.

>>1701918
Pls make it a man pls pls pls

So how are the Hart manga books?

I'm getting drunk enough, wanna draw something for this thread on mah new tablet but not sure what. Any suggestions guise?

>>1701961
draw a ~kawaii~ magical girl or boy please.
dont forget the big desu eyes with eye sparkles!!

>>1701963
Ok, I'll give it a go. Just a sketch or full color or whatever. Oh and give me a bit, my anime is a touch rusty

>>1701953
>>1701954

I think it creates personal accountability, allowing me to use 4chan in a more productive way and perhaps it would make it easier to exchange with like-minded people outside 4chan.

> your identity should have no precedence over your artwork.

I've never said or even implied such desire. So far I would say that my works have been objectively criticized most of the time.

I don't even know why the fact of deciding to use a built-in option creates so much turmoil. I've been using 4chan longer as an Anon than as a tripfag and by my experience name/trip-fags were less likely to shitpost, imho the anons that complained about them came off as guy-fawkes-mask wearing kids irritated by the sudden realization that not everyone shared their view.

Ok, I will stop now, I really don't want to derail this thread, besides I don't have a piece to share this time.

>>1701963
Yeah here's what I got so far, or something. Pretty sure I'm not cut out for anime. I'd take me all night to make this half way decent

captcha: strife ocuredc

I'm thinking of maybe tripfagging for these animu threads too, just cause my stuff is inconsistent in style and subject and it's nice to get some personal criticism once in a while.

Posting gestures so I'm not entirely off topic...

>>1701987
Yay gestures!

>>1701921
Flipping it so maybe someone can spot where I gone wrong because I am my own worst critique, night night.

I don't understand why the fuck you guys keep calling this an Alternative Art/Stylization and adding a General - word to it?
All you do all these threads is drawing weaboo fetish girls.
Just call it "Squeee ^_^ A Kawaiii Sexy Girls thread!!! <3 <3 <3" and i will not be that mad.
Holy fuck why most of artistic humans like this shit...
I bet because they are heterosexuals and japaneese cartoon companies know what they doing.

>>1701994
Too flat

>>1702017
Why does it matter what they're called? And people can post non animu art; they just don't. Don't know why I'm responding to b8...

>>1701971
>I've never said or even implied such desire.
Then you wouldnt need to 'exchange with like-minded people outside of 4chan". Right out the door you're trying to deny your attention whoring schemes. If you want to establish a rep, fine. No reason to cover it up and lie about it.

>>1702018
i mean i so want to be in a thread where people share some cartoon concepts like those famous KungFu panda and try to draw in that style. Or do some other western-european shit...
In a thread different than Anime.

But there is a thread of stylization that called GENERAL.
At least remove general next time.

>>1702018
>And people can post non animu art;
Nope. Janitor bitch deletes them. Her slanty little four eyes get crossed looking at anything remotely Occidental. Look at the archives if you don't believe me.

>>1702014
I did it in like 2 secs just to post something lol

>>1702017
Hiya, newfag here. Never been here, just wanted to kinda get some insight as to what other artists do in their freetime other than jack off and drink. Actually that's about what I do too. Anyways, here's ya something not anime to look at that I did long ago

btw captcha: foooll junction

Prince and fox anon here from the lat thread, thanks for the advice, I've got a good sense on how to improve. Thanks!

This one is also old, and I'm not really gonna re-do it, but I'm thinking to do another piece. kinda like a short series. In any case, this is all freehand, and I know the anatomy is an issue, but any suggestions?

Mixing some stuff in the melting pot

>>1702041
Honestly, it's a tad busy in some areas. Places like the face need to more defined, well basically, due to human conditioning. The body shape isn't too drawing to notice unless you intensely observe. I do like the action in it though, very nice use of space as well.

>>1702043
Totally digging the style, the body shape is very nice. Something about the face is kinda lacking though, perhaps the chin and jaw line. Also that hard cut into her neck is apparent. Probably would flow better with a few muscle lines from the shoulder musculature to make is more obvious that her neck is turned. But overall me likey.

>>1702041
focus more on the face, mainly the nose and its planes, the one you have here looks flat and kind of half assed, even as an stylistical choice, which breaks down the picture.
I really dig the style and with this type of thing, spot on anatomy is not a big concern, just think more about form and remember that the face is a huge focal point, i'm not saying that everything else lacks importance, but the face tends to be a "make or break".

>>1702005
That hand is drawn in a completely different style than the rest of the picture, it's rather jarring and kind of creepy. Try reducing the amount of lines on each finger, and making them more curvy looking or something.

>>1702022
i agree, this should be called anime/stylization general. actually, it used to be called that.

still, if you want a cartooning thread make one yourself, otherwise just use the drawthread.

>>1701918
She looks gigantic compared to the man, or is she supposed to be near the camera?

>>1702056
>>1702022
If you want cartoons post cartoons, anime-ish stuff got popular because we had kyle and teal since the beggining, also because it is a big thing on itself and all the kewl kids draw that.
If you don't see people promoting other branches of style do it yourself through your work.

Nice b8 m8

What do you guys think?

Keep Grandad as a shilouette or actually draw him too?

>>1702118
Draw him in, belt ready for an asswhuppin'

>>1701725
Does anyone know what filter/effect can achieve pic related?

>>1702210
Loneliness.

>>1702210
Crappy JPEG compression. Just take your image and than export it as a JPEG with quality set to 10 or 20.

how am i doing?

>>1702045
Thanks man.
I've only recently discovers that my faces weren't up to par, so I'm going back to basics with Hampton then Loomis

>>1702213
Fuck man...

Fuck, where did that guy go from the other thread? I asked him about his techniques on hair and clothes. He was doing a manga inspired by Zelda and other stuff. Didn't know if he answered my question on having a DA or Tumblr

>>1702224
he did answer.

>>1702229
What was it?

>>1702231
>>/ic/thread/1697194#p1701346

>>1701958
sorry it has to be a girl

>>1702259
Miqote? Yes, yes more.

Trace, copy, flip, line stabilizer, repeat. What's the point of training to be unoriginal?

>>1702283
because fuck you

>>1702005
That's the ugliest shit I've ever seen in my life. plz learn loomis.

>>1702293
rude.

>>1702294
No, he's right the Anons have spoken.

>>>/b/541902379

>>1702293
>LOOMIS IS GOD

>>1702210
for some reason i can only imagine the girl on the left complaining about the girl on the right's stankin ass breath.

>>1702210
Is Homura tickling Sayaka to death? lol

gotta go fast
:y

>>1702699
What's with the whole eye of sauron asshole thing you got going on there?

>>1702259
that belly ain't right, I tell you what

>>1702700
some assholes are special :^)

>>1702699
blog?

>>1702713
Not sure if It's a blog but I have DA.
http://vagomonster.deviantart.com/

>>1702699
>tfw you can't tell if it's prolapsed or not

>>1702005

: 3

>>1702743
:3

>>1702748
You know you're not supposed to draw contour lines on a gesture, right?

>>1702752
I placed those lines as landmarks, unless I goofed up and am not feeling it.

>>1702752
She's just mimicking another anons schtick

hello guys
mind giving me a hand in figuring out what's wrong with these 2

I took some of the advice about values from the last thread, but I'm not too sure how it turned out.

>>1702886
On the left one, I think the shoulders are too narrow for the pose. Also the left thigh needs to be a bit bigger. A problem they both have is a lack of neck, you could either make it narrower to show off more length or just make it slightly longer in general.
They both look a bit stubby because of these things.

>>1702941
not good, both in concept and execution. You don't improve animu style with realistic muscles, don't listen to that /ic/ dogmatic garbage, It only results in looking like those creepy faggots wearing flat masks. Style must be constant in yout drawing, either do everything simply, or do everything realistically. Mixing up ends in shit.

>>1702941
holy shit anon do you have knees? Those things look horrifying

>>1702886
there you go.

left one: head is not properly connected to the ribcage through the spine. also you are thinking too flat, which made the shoulders weird.

right one: you pelvis is too low (though mine might be too high) and the legs are weird. and again, you're thinking a little too flat, you notice this especially on the face and her right shoulder.
also i just noticed: breast might be too high (i got that wrong in the redline too)

tldr: try to get more accustomed to the forms, think more 3 dimensionally.

Need moar anatomy. Probably should've drawn these bigger too.

>>1703034
you dont know what you are taking about
the whole structure of this figure is not relative to either muscle or bone.

The belly button is lined up with the top of the pelvis.

you must be a 100% retard to think the vagina is part of the pelvis

>>1703093
alright alright, then here's a version where i adjusted the rest of the body to the head instead of the other way around.
what i said still applies, the head and the ribcage wasn't connected properly.

the vagina is literally within the pelvis. but that's beside the point since i didn't mention the vagina in the first place.
i said the pelvis is too low, and that's because i'm not sure if the line next to the right leg is actually still part of the groin or supposed to the ass or something. either way it wasn't correct.

>>1703093
alright alright, then here's a version where i adjusted the rest of the body to the head instead of the other way around.
what i said still applies, the head and the ribcage wasn't connected properly.

the vagina is literally within the pelvis. but that's beside the point since i didn't mention the vagina in the first place.
i said the pelvis is too low, and that's because i'm not sure if the line next to the right leg is actually still part of the groin or supposed to the ass or something. either way it wasn't correct.

>>1703142
>
the vagina is literally within the pelvis

>>1703147
do you have vaginas growing out of your head or what are you trying to say here

>>1703152

can someone help me with the eyes placement. Im not sure if this is correct. Guise plz redline.

>>1703184
show the entire picture( preferably the entire head)
developing structures for the character requires some understanding of proportion

>>1703188

>>1703191
Firstly, breasts absolutely do not work that way. Get some reference on that shit.

Secondly, left eye is larger than the other. That is causing the main problem.

Lastly, just... get reference on the entire head and body. There's clearly no jaw line. The nose bridge is off, the ear is too far back, the neck is wrong--fucking everything, man.

>>1703198
oh realy ?

the only thing you spoted is eye rest is bullshit.

>>1703177
alright, how about this.
i did realize that it wasn't quite right. the pelvis has always been among my weaknesses. i think i my problem was i squished it vertically too much.

dunno what you're on about with the pubic tubercle. it was always there, just misplaced.
so how about it now, satisfied?

>>1703205
>i think i my problem
im not satisfied for someone who attempts at redlining and fails

>>1703203
but he's really right.Instead of being a defensive cunt actually look into it.if you''re going to use a refference ,then use it correctly.We don't take kindly to whiney cunts here

>>1703191

>>1703211
no dude, i got this. this is the final one. (no reason to spend so much time on redlining other peoples art.)

also
>impling you could do it better
redlining isn't easy, it's much easier to draw something entirely new in your own pose. i was just trying to be considerate.
though i admit i fucked up on some parts

anyway, if you are such an expert, show me how it's done. it'd be informative for me too.

>>1703230

>>1703231
>completly changing the style
>reducing the breast size

why.

I apprecieate but I want bigger eyes and it dosent show me it. Altho your neck is better thx.

>>1703233
>thinking I have to use exacly the same position

>>1703184
>>1703191
>>1703234

>>1703240
thanks.


hey I thought I would shouw you guys the whole picture and why she has tilted shoulder

>>1703242
bigger eyes require a bigger head

>>1703243
hmmm..maybe you are right but then Im serching thru many artist and how they handle anime cause i was mainly doing normal heads and it varies so i dont realy know how to handle it.

>>1703243
if you have a bigger head the eyes aren't bigger really. they're just normal sized for the head.

>>1703252
Using the girl (Dakota Rose) in your image isn't really a good example. She photoshops her eyes larger and her face narrower

>>1703252
>>1703252
>>1703252
>>1703252
>if you have a bigger head the eyes aren't bigger really. they're just normal sized for the head.

i want you to read that to yourself.

>>1703235
You do when the breasts are being pushed together with the arms.

Also, you suck ass at observational drawing and painting. Before you start with your kawaii uguu animu gurls, fucking learn some fundamentals first.

>>1703269
fuck off :^)

>>1703252
>>1703252
>>1703252
>>1703252
>if you have a bigger head the eyes aren't bigger really. they're just normal sized for the head.

i want you to read that to yourself.

>>1703278
still seems fine to me. could of been expressed a little more clearly i guess. size is relative though, and the apparent size of eyes is relative to the head.

>>1703265
i think that ones natural, or at least more subtle than most. but there are other examples, christina ricci perhaps..is no big thang

>>1702748
Anything wrong with the face before I start inking?

>>1703288
Yes

>>1703288
The face is fine, but she has no neck.
Also move the head and the base of the neck to the right so it's in the middle of the torso.

>>1703298
Cool thanks

>>1703302
Np, repost it when you fix it for more crit (next month right?)

>>1703271
>being this butthurt over a valid solid critique

gtfo you self absorbed faggot.

>>1703320
>mistaken critique with curse words spouting
>asuming what I do

:) fuck off god complex

I started to tweak it is it looking better ?

>>1703288

no, not at all. be careful with these tits.

>>1703328
Who let the kids room unattended ?

>>1703334
even more insulting. Way to prove me wrong : )

>>1703328

>>1703336
>>1703328
Hi, >>1703269 here.
My first post was >>1703198

Just because the posts have a harsher tone to it (which shouldn't even be an issue, considering you're on 4chan of all places), doesn't make it less invalid.

Unless you're asking for asspats or something, which shouldn't be surprising because you're posting your WIPs in an art/critique board and incapable of accepting critique to begin with, stop being a lil bitch and study your fundamentals harder.

There's a reason why observational skills is so important--especially if you're still a beginner; you can't use your references to its fullest potential when you're incapable of even getting your references correct.

Yes, your tweaked image looks better, but there is still many anatomical errors. Obvious one is the jawline still, and the ears being too small and low. The head is also too small in comparison to the body, and looks incredibly misplaced due to the simplicity (also known as "Miku-fag syndrome".)

>>1703416
Whats the best observational skill exercise to do ? still lifes ? im doing them. I dropped this picture I dont know how to fix it. I cant do even one good picture, all i do is studies and im bored to death of them.

>>1703336
He is insulting you because you are responding to his insults. Or responding to some insults, anyway. No way to know if this is the same anon. Anyway, he's not going to stop just because you order him to stop. What you gotta do is just let go. Accept that he is calling you names. Accept that he may continue to do this. Recognize that this requires no action from you. His insults are not your problem. You will only have won when you truly do not care whether he stops or not.

He's right, though. Tits don't work that way, and you should probably study anatomy. The breasts make it look like she's supposed to be sitting straight and pushing them together and up with her arms. You know, basically like that ref image that was posted. Which is a problem since the rest of her body is not in that position. So, the perspective is wrong, and them puppies look like they have some kind of invisible force supporting them.

Also, her neck looks weirdly narrow, like it was about three times as thick back-front as it is left-right, and the eye placement, (which is what you were asking about in the first place) looks wrong. The right eye (her left) is higher than the other one, and they both seem to be drawn from the same perspective even though they're supposed to be on a curved surface, with one of them farther from the viewer than the other and closer to the "edge".

(Is there a fancy art/astronomy/any term for the part of a curved surface where the tangent intersects the point of view?)

>>1703448
thanks man insightful post. I totaly forgot about this curved surface thing. Yes i spotted the breast problem later. Anyway I dropped this picture its poop.

The result of a late-night doodling session.

>tfw booking a table for a comic con later in the year
>don't even have any comics printed yet or anything to sell

Hopefully this will encourage me to get my shit together...

>>1703575
Good luck dude

>>1701941
Let him trip if he wants. That won't change his art but you're the one who have to be impartial about art, forgetting who's behind it.
We have to learn to be more wise.

>>1703581
Holy shit I forgot all about the name part. Should I just stick with my own name or make something up? I could use my Tumblr blog's name but that keeps changing so prolly pointless

>>1703575
Tell us how it goes! I myself am trying to break into comics with very little work to show for it.

Its a process

>>1703582
None of you are impartial about the art

>>1703584
Generally when/if you post your art we can tell who you are. Sometimes but not always.

Really there's no need for trips but its your decision

>>1703586
It really is. I eat, shit and breathe comics but I rarely actually make em

>>1703593
Not on about trips, I meant for when I'm mentioned on the exhibitor page for the con should I just stick with my own name or come up with a title

LAY IT ON ME, HOW BAD IS IT AND HOW CAN I IMPROVE

>>1703964
Oh crap, I had caps lock on, sorry!

By the way I really need help with the shoulders

>>1703964
Shoulders and arms, bro

Also, flip it horizontally and take a look

>>1703966
How do you not notice you are typing in all caps?

Look at her wrists to thigh/ass ratio.

>>1703964
looks good, next time check out the collarbone, seems too long.

And you are drawing too much like you are painting the details on the body, not the body itself. Use a bigger sheet for more details? Maybe you are cramped and lose detail.

>>1701872
His dick confuses me... If that thing on the end is the dick head, then it's too small. If he's uncut and it's the tip of the foreskin, then you need to make a hint of an outline of his actual penis head under the foreskin and a few wrinkles so it's not confusing (and possibly shrink the foreskin tip a bit)

Thanks much for the help anon, but i must approach for advice again
the feet feel off, but i can't seem to figure out what's wrong

>>1704218
use a reference like kyle does.
or do some studies.

say why are you drawing muscly animu girls in the first place? if you just want to learn about muscles maybe it'd be better to study realistic male bodies first.

>>1704226
>say why are you drawing muscly animu girls in the first place?

I'll answer that question for you, it's because fit girls are absolutely delicious there's no question.

>>1704231
Maybe you should think less with your dick when it comes to advancing your skill.
Just sayin'.

>>1704269
>Maybe you should think less with your dick

But it's how Kyle improved and just look at his feet. Now I am not big on feet but his feet are very impressive.

>>1704279
quite the feat, you might say.

>>1704280

How do I get less bad? I know I have to practice more, but repetition without criticism can't lead to improvement.

Blue is referenced from The Art of Drawing People. Black is without reference.

>>1704353
learn proportions of people's faces

then learn the features and their construction

>>1704353
You should draw some realistic people. Like, from photos. Live models if you have the balls to draw while someone is looking. It'll help you develop an idea of what humans are supposed to look like.

>>1704364
>It'll help you develop an idea of what humans are supposed to look like.
I know what people look like. I've seen plenty of people in my day etc. My problem is that I can't pick up a stylus/pen/pencil and draw people. My attempts at photograph studies or still-life's all manage to come out worse than drawing from memory.

>>1704376
That's because you don't know what people really look like, as in study the proportions of the face. There are precise measurements that follows a divine proportion and the more you familiarize yourself with these proportions the closer your drawings will be to life.

>>1704376
everyone knows how people look like, but you also have to know how to recreate the features on paper to stylize properly.

>>1704353
read
the
sticky.

Yallniggaspostingintheshortbusthread.mp4

>>1704379
>>1704382
How to improve?

>>1704410
>yall retards bein retards again godamit
This is the fun thread :^))^)^)

>>1704434
Study planes of the face and angles, where things face, what lines up with what ect

guys, I fucked up

I used black to shade

>>1704457

>I did something /ic/ told me to not do

You fool that's exactly what you should do
Don't hold yourself back because a few dolts said you should not do something

>>1704436
>Study planes of the face and angles
Whats a good reference for this? I've got countless PDF's (Loomis, Vlipu, Bridgemen etc.) but none of them seem to have anything to offer other than drawings of the face in perspective.

It took me ten minutes of starring at the reference and the drawing before I figured out that the nose was too far out. I assume there are other things I haven't noticed, but I can't find them. All the facial measurements I know of are correct, but the drawing still doesn't look right.

>>1704466
b-but I've always been told not to use black to shade anything ;_;

>>1704470

By who? People parrot constantly, There's no reason to not break "rules"

Do what you think is right. It's you before them not the other way around.

>>1704470
wtf where did you get that lel?
also you look like you could draw dragons
mind helping me out?
theres LOL codes for it in exchange :)
>>1704404

>>1704218
You're no teal

>>1704473
>>1704474
You must be trolling.

>>1704470
Generally seperate light-dark into warm-cool or the other way round. The hue and saturation will change slightly.
With a single, sharp light source there will of course be "more black" in the shades, but that's not the only element.
Either you paint everything monochrome. either you end up with a muddy or (in case of humans) dead looking thing.
Colour pick on some images you like.

>>1704477
You god damn niglord

Experimentation breeds progress, Following these "rules" is only hurting yourself.

"they do it that way so it must be right"

like this senpai?

>>1704484
those aren't even rules they're just facts. irl temperature changes with saturation, if you don't change the temperature appropriately it does look muddy.

although i don't agree that monochrome looks dead, it just doesn't look like real light.

>>1704495
Monochrome looks fine. When you paint in colour and shade with black, you get the dead looking problem. Did I phrase it badly?

>>1704503
yes you did. but you are absolved.

>>1704486
Pelvises aren't quite lined up. Construct them both from boxes in perspective, add cylinders for the legs, then make sure no forms are overlapping in 3D space.

>>1704486
first two aren't connected.

>>1704376
Yes, that IS your problem. And to fix the problem, you pick up a drawing implement and draw some people. From reference, so that you can see what you're doing wrong. Do it until you have committed the human form to muscle memory.
>>1704434
GRIND, motherfucker.

If you keep practicing, you will definitely improve. Chase your dreams, Anon. :)

Critique or redline pls? be mean if you have to, I want any sort of feedback.

Also, if anyone has tips to scan traditional drawings without making them look so fucking griany, I would really appreaciate it.

>>1704226
I can't find any reference for this specific pose, though... This is the closest i can find the for the one on the left, and its of the "old" pose
>>1704476
Who says I am? i'm nowhere near his level at all, what are you implying

>>1704558
>and its of the "old" pose
then go with the old version. the new one was another anons idea anyway, you should go for what you initially intended.

>>1704558
Why don't you sit down in the pose you are trying? You'll feel what feels like a comfortable position for the feet.

>>1704558
>I can't find any reference for this specific pose

Hoard more porn anon.

>>1704586

>>1704626
Thank you very much.

Seeing that one guy constantly draw fit girls has made me want to draw one too.

Asides from her legs, do you think I made her too disproportionate?

Having bed before fun

>>1704719

practicing imagination drawing. I tried to do it with as few strokes and and little erasing as possible. except for the girl boxing

I really want to get better but I'm only interested in learning comic and/or manga style so I don't know how to do it. I don't want to read books, I just want to draw. And I draw and draw but I'm not improving much so It makes me anxious. I tried copying other artists' drawings to see if something sticks but not really. And please don't tell me to draw from real life because comics obviously don't look anything like real life.

What the hell should I do?

>>1704734
>I really want to get better but I'm only interested in learning comic and/or manga style

>>1704734
>please don't tell me to draw from real life because comics obviously don't look anything like real life.

You are a waste of fucking time, fuck off to Deviant Art where you will hear what you want.

>>1704735
Go to hell you self-righteous faggot. Who do you think you are you piece of shit

>>1704731
nice. as usual, faces could be better. also the neck-jaw connection in the top right drawing is a mess

>>1704734
>And please don't tell me to draw from real life because comics obviously don't look anything like real life.

You are a waste of a human being

>>1704762
That's pretty cute, man

>>1704734
You don't have to draw from real life you just have to know is how fundamentals, anatomy, measuring and prospective works which means reading some sort of material. If you can't do something so simple as reading then best of luck on your future endeavors.

>>1704734
Probably kill yourself since you hate learning so much

>>1704734
>please don't tell me to draw from real life because comics obviously don't look anything like real life
>give me a magic short cut so I don't have to put in any actual hard work
Just stop fucking drawing

>>1704768
Thanks so much, dude.

If anyone knows how I can fix this, that would be great...

>>1704737
how about this face?

>>1704731
those are some really nice bodies

>>1704955
thanks

>>1704953
the nosebridge might be too prominent it might not fit with big eyes like that. children/asian-like subtle nosebridges and browridges usually fit better.

also the eye is falling off the side of the face. think about the eyesocket, study real faces.
also generally i suggest you practice with smaller eyes so you can practice the placement

>>1704953
nigga that's kawaii make some more
make her look down from frog perpective

okay guys.
I just need to hear if I got the proportions right.

>>1704539
Anyone?

>>1704539
eh, the drawing itself isn't terrible, but somehow it still feels amateurish. some areas are really flat. like the legs, or the fluttering clothes. that hand also isn't perfect, but you should already know that.
line quality could be better, do more continuous lines, be more confident in general. it isn't horrifyingly bad, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.

as for the head, i find the style rather uninteresting. i assume your understanding for heads and faces is still basic. brush up on that.

generally, there are many things you could've improved on. the boots could've looked much more interesting, the jacket could've be more than what you did, the jeans could've done with more texture. things like that.
try to pay attention to every area when you draw, and don't neglect parts. they all contribute to the whole image.

>>1704676
head is too big by far

>>1704734
Drawing from life IS important.
quit being a faggot.

Look, if you wanna start off not reading then check out some livestreams that artists have. There's probably one right now

>>1704762
Would fondle breasts/10

>>1704734
I never draw from life and yet I draw way better than most of /ic/. you don't need to listen to these yahoos who kept parroting draw from life shit.

>>1704983
Thanks anon! the legs are really a pain to do. Same with hands but I have a better control with that, I think (hey, at least I don't hide them). This drawing kinda shows my overall current level and I just started taking drawing seriously, I'll start doing studies and loomis and feeling it and all that good stuff soon. And, regarding the head style, how can I improve it? I might provide some more head sketches later if someone can give me a complete review there (they're in shitty, lined writing paper, though)

>>1704991
>I'm better than most of /ic/.
Big accomplishment. Still, I doubt it. I draw from life several times a week, and can pretty much guarantee I draw better than you. Stop giving bad advice. If you know nothing, say nothing. Don't shit on an invaluable exercise.

>>1704994
>And, regarding the head style, how can I improve it?
well, what can i say. practice.
i think at your level you should often try to look at artists much better than you. compare yourself to them and see what they are doing/understanding what you aren't.
that way you can see what areas you can improve upon.

also, like you said, do studies for general knowledge.

>>1705006
I doubt you draw better than me. you need to stop parroting shit you hear not everyone learns the same.

>>1705015
well let's see what you've got. you're the one bragging about being better than most of /ic/. so just how well can you render forms?

>>1705017
better than you that's for sure, how about you post your shit draw first so I can contrast it when I post my good draws

>>1705021
What exactly is your argument against drawing from life?

>>1705026

>>1705028

>>1705028
>>1705026
shit draws, can't even get the perspective of the van and wheel right, bad forms with passable rendering.

there's no argument about drawing from life but it's not the only way to get good as /ic/ have claimed.

>>1705033
The van actually looks like that, it's a very strange toy that's decades old. Kinda figured you'd conveniently forget to post your own work.

I don't think anyone is claiming drawing from life is the only exercise you need, just that it's one of the most important exercises you can do. And it really is, it has taught me more about the operation of light and modeling of forms than anything else. And it informs any style, pic related.

>>1705037
Pic is by Juan Gris and not me of course.
And this is Matisse.

...and one by van Gogh. Just to show that, even if you're going to take a stylized approach, working from life is still very useful, and gives you more information about light and form than any other reference material. Nothing beats the real thing. It's fine to work imaginatively as well, but drawing from life is an exercise every artist needs to do to stay fit.

>>1705037
>Kinda figured you'd conveniently forget to post your own work.
he's most likely that one comic faggot

>>1704965
Head is too wide.
Left arm is too noodle (needs an elbow).
Left foot has some issues.

>>1705033
Anon just stop, you already got rekt. You judge his art but then you fail to post yours. Hell, people who are quick to say someone elses art is shit is already a shitty artist. Now what, are you going to tell us you were "Trolling :^)"?

>>1704734
Although a bit harsh, these guys are right anon. Drawing from life is the fundamental part of art, you need to understand proportions and what not. Every manga artist/comic book artist had to do it. Anime is just a simplified/exaggerated version of real human anatomy and to make it look right, you need to learn the fundamentals. So if you don't want to put in the effort to learn all of that, I suggest putting the pencil down now. I want to get better at human anatomy and my sketchbook is filled with naked men and women, so whether you like it or not, you'll have to learn it in order to get better.

>haha ... physics

>>1704486
>>1704517
cute trace

anything wrong on the perspective?
>inb4 we've had this conversation before

>>1705151
the grabed leg feels too big.

Is there anyway I can salvage this mess of a design?

>>1705158
nooope.
figure, pose is a complete mess.
mouth looks really weird too

>>1705139
I-is thata furry

>>1704839
The neck is your biggest problem, it's detached from the body. You should move it and the head and fix the contruction. The closer shoulder is out of place as well. The head is skewed. See pic related.

>>1705167
why? no
what kind of animal would that be?

>>1704731
can you post more of your studies ? the body studies. I learn a lot from that kind of things.

Thoughts on this lineart? Wanted to make sure it looked okay before adding color.

>>1705139
how am I doing so far?

>>1705210
Her legs look disconnected from her body and the rendering's pretty muddy looking.

>>1705197
Looks good overall. Only gripe that I'd have is that the middle figure's expression. I think her winking eye should be upturned. It may look more anime and get you some flak, but the way it is now doesn't look natural.

If you're coloring it, you may not need much of the haphazard hatchy lines. Not a big deal, if they work, fine, if not, just erase where needed.

>>1705174
Thank you anon!
Redrew it again, I'm still having trouble, but it's better than before. Guess I'll have to watch some Vilppu anatomy videos tomorrow...

>>1705223
Thanks, I'll mess around with that eye. As for the hatching, I was trying to go for art nouveau/Mucha, so adding some hatching to the cloth. Is it wrong or does it just not go with the image?

>>1705212
I see

Comfort zone cliches to alleviate stress.

>>1704734
Jesus fucking christ, you are a fucking failure.
First, as a begginer (and a pretty stupid one may I say) you wont get anything by copying drawings, only half-way decent artists with a firm grasp of the fundamentals can get something out of studying drawings.
Now, drawing from life is actually the same as copying drawings if you don't know what the fuck you're doing, to get the most of life drawing, you first need to ponder on fundamental principles such as proportions, anatomy, perspective and structure, mindless copy, be that of drawings, photos or real life won't get you anywhere if you don't understand what you see; that's why they're called "studies" because you're studying what you see to further apply it in your own drawings, not just copying to "see if something sticks".
Finally, if you don't like reading, watch the videos listed on the sticky, you brain dead piece of shit, since you probably aren't even reading, I'll take the liberty of listing my personal favortites, just in case someone less retarded with a similar problem sees this.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
https://www.youtube.com/user/Sycra
https://www.youtube.com/user/moatddtutorials
https://www.youtube.com/user/sinixdesign
https://www.youtube.com/user/bluefley00
I hope this removes the shit jamming your head and replaces it with functioning neurons.

>>1705269
>fungus growing on a girls face
Did you play too much of The last of us?

>>1705272

>jesus fucking christ
>fucking failure
>blah blah blah
>out of the kindness of my heart I'll help you, you brain dead piece of shit
>gee whiz I am such a nice guy

>>1705272
>this entire post
You just made my fucking day

>>1705272
You do realize this is the thread where we put the broken toys right?

>>1705277
Welcome to 4chan, grow a thicker skin

Funny how the mention of the fbi in the pedo thread and it promptly disappears. The pedos run like roaches when you hit the lights.

>>1705247
If you're going for a Mucha thing, the way he used the hatching was mostly to denote the shadows on the forms. You'd have to go in with a lot more hatching if you want to emulate that. The way you have it now looks more like a texture effect than shadow. You're a little bit more successful in the first figure but the other 2 less so, where the hatching seems more of an afterthought.

>>1705288
Don't bring that shit here goddammit keep it outside of /ic/ altogether.

>>1705278
I don't see much of a difference in quality between the stuff posted in this thread and anywhere else on this board. Guess you are all broken toys then.

>>1705295
> these threads
Are you blind? Ever wonder why they are forced here and constantly culled?

>>1705288
>drawing
>being afraid of the fbi

>>1705299
There's the hide button. Now get the fuck out.

>>1705299
they were never forced here. that's just what your kind likes to say.
now get out and go back to your shitty art.

>>1704434
try draw the face out of shapes and planes, don't draw the outline, at all, pretend there are no concaves, then when you are done, try it with concaves, try it without the nose, with the nose, draw it made out of spheres, out of cubes, out of triangles. These are amazing exercises to help you develop form.

>>1705308
another fun one is to draw a block and then pretend you are carving out the face with a spoon, draw the contours around the spoonfuls until it makes the face.
Also if you have never made a face out of clay, try it. It let's you feel it out. especially if you try doing your own face, by only using your hands to feel your face. it's a very fun and enlightening experience.

>>1705158
Dude, I'm sorry I messed so much with your drawing but I got carried away.
You render nicely but you should improve your construction, composition and so on. Construction (linework) should always be a priority over the rendering so you don't have to 'salvage' your drawings. (!)
Are you the guy that likes Korean art?
And do you per chance use picture sampling?

>>1705308
other anon here

im teaching myself the construction of the head (raily method) should I use photos and try to construct those heads with photo in mind ?

doing portraits is ok (being able to do realistic faces is important to impress plebs) but i mainly want to do attractive simplified woman faces for my concepts and when I see all this manly looking constructions I feel like Im not going in the direction I want. Will this raily method help with simple style ?

>>1705312
Will that method help with simple style
Short answer Yes
without going into details, it's harder to draw through simplifying than it is to draw "correctly"
and you have to know what you are simplifying.

>>1705312
and no, construct the heads over the photo if you want, as long as you are "sticking" the planes on the head.

>>1705319
>>1705321
alrite thanks.

>>1705158

If you're trying to get a more forced perspective thing, you have to make her forward hand much larger. Rest of the body seems kind of flat and two dimensional. Pose overall is lackluster, no emotion or intent.

It's done, either start over or move on.

>>1705310
Thanks for your edit. I really like what you did with the design!

I've always had problems with composition and haven't found a way to really improve it yet. I find myself wasting a lot of time rendering details and missing the big picture, then at the end I realise it's a mess.

>>1705354
I agree. No point polishing a turd. Consider it scrapped.

>>1704965
The pose looks very stiff.

>>1705139
That's terrifying, anon.

>>1705269
>>1705275
Who knows.

Slapped some color on it, not sure if I want to continue and make it all soft and pretty or not.

>>1705367
that neutral face is irritating

make it a frown

>>1705154
It was actually just the other leg being too small
I still resized it, just a bit.

No idea how to colour
this'll do for now

>>1705401

A bit loose, but nice expression and forms. continue...

>>1705374
To each its own. For me, frowns and dreamy eyes on animu faces are irritating because they seem somewhat edgy

>>1705367
Looks really pretty! Do you have a blog?

Shitty background just for the moment.. but is the chick any good?

>>1705557
Lack of fundamentals and form
Back to loomis/fundamentals

>>1705374
>>1705517
Thanks guys, I'll keep both of these in mind.

>>1705555
Thank you! And sure do. tarusu.tumblr.com.

>>1705564
Shit.. I thought I gave it some form... guess I was wrong, alright, thanks man, back to Loomis for me.

New Thread:

>>1705604
>>1705604
>>1705604

Continuity! It's been so long! It shows! :D

...must push through it...