/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1697194
>tenco's story
loved that one

>>1697194
Why can't I find Tenco's story anywhere?

shit tier render pls

>>1697194

Well?
>>1697241
>inb4 reading manga online is for plebs
http://v2012.mangapark.com/manga/touhou-tencos-story-doujinshi

help with left face?

>>1697314
dat face tho

>>1697194
Quick question for the people who can do both anime and semi-realistic drawings.

I've been drawing anime since I knew how to draw. I guess I consider myself pretty decent at it for my age, but since I'm planning on going to college for character design, I realize that I'm going to have to transition to a more realistic style for my portfolio, as most colleges don't accept the anime style.
How do I transition? I've been planning on moving to something similar and more accepted in the west, such as the Disney/Pixar style.
The only problem is, whenever I try to do this I can't manage to rid my artwork of the anime style.

Should I just keep drawing in my personal anime style, should I do a slow transition, or try to do something drastic more quickly? I can post my most recent drawing if it helps.

Again, I'm going into character design for videogames, comics, etc., so I'm still aiming for that cartoonish style, just not necessarily anime.

>>1697372
Slightly over the line, sharp, lowered upper eyelid.

>>1697379
I'd go with a drastic change, start drawing from real life. I drew almost exclusively anime in High School, but after a few life drawing classes, my style shifted into something more unique.

>>1697382
Aaah, I knew this would come up. I know I have to start drawing from real life, I'm just delaying it as much as possible.
I guess it's not as enjoyable as drawing from my imagination. I'm looking for other options besides that for now. I already have my own personal style, and I don't want to mess it all up by drawing from life for too long.

>>1697379
>>1697392
Well, show us some of your work.

I drew anime for ever pretty much, and even now, as I'm getting out of it, I still have trouble understanding form. I feel like I'm just good at symbol drawing, but most of my work is in the same pose or lighting angle. I'm not good at showing emotion in faces either, but I feel that drawing from life has definitely helped me to depart, even somewhat, from that static cut and paste stuff I normally do.

It's pretty much the only option, but this of course doesn't mean you have to stop drawing from imagination. Put what you've learned to work, you know? The time it takes will be largely dependent on, like all other learned skills, the amount you practice.

>>1697398
I feel like I have trouble with that as well.

I'd probably consider this my best work. Am I even good enough to get into college? I have a year or so to improve before I have to send in my art.
I had to blur a few things out for anonymity.

>>1697409

Nope. Nopenopenopenope.

I mean, seriously, is that thing supposed to have anatomy?

In comparison, my friend had to draw like this just to get admitted to Art Center.

Hit the books. Start looking towards real life and drawing from that. Ctrl+Paint plus a gazillion other resources can be reached Just aim to draw more realistically, show your technical skill with stuff like lighting and perspective and what not.

>>1697409
I've seen alot worse get in uni.

>>1697409

One thing that definitely helps: backgrounds.

They'll want you to be able to draw humans properly (anatomy time) but you can also show them your technical skill drawing stuff like what's on your desk or a landscape/environment.

>>1697409
I have no idea, but I'd certainly say that you could do a LOT of improving. If you feel like you don't much understand form, or even if you have difficulty drawing from life, then that's exactly what you need to work on.

>>1697441
I've actually done next to none of this. I've spent most of my time practicing shading and and anatomy.

>>1697443
>>1697371
>!w1NaFHz2aU
I think I might have caught the retarded.

>>1697443
I don't think you understand form, either.

>>1697436
Drawing machines and drawing people are 2 completely different things, especially when they're drawn from the imagination.
>>1697441
I've seen little to no character design artists do backgrounds ever.
>>1697437
I've seen a lot worse get OUT of uni. I saw someone post something saying he had an illustration degree and it looked like a child drew it and then used the airbrush tool on it.

>>1697443
It's not difficult really, I just really dislike doing it. I definitely will work on my realism though.

I know that my anatomy needs work and a lot of other things do as well, but isn't learning what college is for?

>>1697448
>>1697398
I know
>"I still have trouble understanding form"

>>1697449
>isn't learning what college is for?
Well yeah, but you have some school to sift through before college, don't you?

>>1697453
Yeah, unfortunately none of my classes are art based. I was going to go into an advanced studio art course, but the class got cancelled last minute, so I'm screwed for art. That's mainly why I'm here.

Sorry for high res, still very much a wip.

How might I refine these features? This is as far as I can go without shitting it up in some way. What you see right here are the guidelines I drew during the loose sketch and now idk what to do.

>>1697620

this is the full image. he'll be holding like blue balls of flame or some shit like that when i'm done

pls help, I'm no good with perspective.

how am i doing?

>>1697376
What would you change it to?

>>1697730
The arm she's holding up looks too short and the shoulder too small.

>>1697409
Just copy the shit out of anatomy books, photos, life drawing, anything you can of people.
You can do cell images, but not like that. That reeks of amateur anime bs, no colleges will want you. But if you can do something like what Brosa (who clearly knows anatomy and has good enough taste to create interesting characters) is doing everyone will ride your dick.

It's not that people "hate" anime influenced art. In fact if I noticed anything at all a lot of successful artists blend their anime influence in with western things. If you want to get a job outside of deviantart that's what you'd have to do outside of asia.

There's a huge amount of people that started drawing anime like that and went on to doing great stuff ex) Ross Tran, Saskia Gutekunst, a whole bunch of other people

>>1697730
the whole pose is awkward as fuck.
maybe try looking into gesture drawings

>>1697730
stomach and arms too short

>>1697563
your color palette has no value range

>>1697563
your palette is all same value.

also those shoes look impractical

>>1697787
that rendering looks really awkward and out of place.

>>1697792
especially the legs seem to be done half jokingly. the post was about values anyways

>>1697787
now now it's okay to have more subtle changes in parts of the value scale if you want to model something at the other end. there's quite a bit of black in there, if the author wanted to modern that out without losing out on the paleness of the flesh or darkness of the fabric squishing the skin tones would be fine.

it's 100% sure it was a mistake and you're right, but i like to correct corrections because i'm horrible.

um, little anime girl for contribute.

>>1697797
model that, not modern, i've been doing that 'replace whole word with a whole other word' thing all day

>>1697792
I think he did best he could with what he had. Maybe you are just not used to this kind of rendering on japanese stylized drawings, which are supposed to be simplified from default. I love it because it looks good and at the same time, pokes fun at estabilished notions in stylized japanese art.

I can also see this style rustle jimmies of artists who turn to japanese stylized drawings because they wanted to avoid learning to work with difficult 3d shapes.

Tl;dr it's provoking and fresh

>>1697812
Kyle looks more Korean than Japanese by this point, in terms of artstyle, and that kind of rendering IS common amongst Korean artists.

That doesn't really stop it from looking weird, though.

>>1697812
>it's provoking and fresh

It's generic as fuck overrendered photoshop soft brush crap that looks like fucking ass. The problem with it has nothing whatsoever to do with "japanese style drawings". Stylization in general requires an understanding of simplification where it is necessary. That paintover shows that the artist has no understanding of 3d shapes but instead relies on overrendering detail within the geometric shapes.

Look at this image for example, the shapes are kept incredibly simple and stylized, yet they are still far more solid and three dimensional than that crappy paintover.

>>1697787
kyle, get your shit together, draw your own legs if you want to render them so badly

>>1697787
>also those shoes look impractical
>heroic fantasy anything
whoop de fucking doo

How can I fix the face?
Dose my anatomy look okay?

Why call stylization "alternative"? It just give a fucking huge pretentious piedestal to the academic techniques that they don't deserve since they are the basic tools at the best of their importance.

How do i show form with line? Like kyle or legoman

>>1697923
Learn how2lineweights.

Also get better inspirations.

>>1697831
>paintover
Paintover? are you saying this Kyle guy is doing paintovers? What? I thought paintovers is tracing legs from photos. and his works look like something that from all things, couldn't possibly be a paintover

>no understanding of 3d shapes but instead relies on overrendering detail within the geometric shapes
I don't understand, what is "understanding 3d shapes" if not just creating proper geometric shapes and placing them in the right places.

The work you posted looks nice, it is kept simple and stylized, but I don't see why would anyone see it as more solid than that prievous work? These gloves actually look like a paintover of a glove from a real photo, in fact it's the same paintover glove, copied and flipped horizontally.

>>1697932
Yes that is my question. How do i get better at it?
Btw this was my shitty attempt >>1697730
It is being incredibly hard and tedious
I dont know if if i should just work without lines

>>1697939
someone should have a little image teal made about it, which should help.

it's not so hard really to get the basics, thin lines near the light tapering to fat lines away from the light. you're basically simulating the occlusion shadows with your line.

>>1697939
Learn and identify where your light(s) are on your figure, when to use xyz lines to show form and light direction, practice.

Practice it on not shitty anime, for one.

>>1697939
>I dont know if if i should just work without lines
What? I hope you don't mean doing things with scratchy and sketchy lines, There are a lot of aspiring artists who would kill to be able to do clean line work like that. In any case, I think gesture drawing would be in your best interest here.

>>1697944
>>1697945
>>1697946
thanks a lot guys
>doing things with scratchy and sketchy lines
and i mean just painting directly like pic related, i was painting an arm...

Im just studying and grinding poses...dont bully. Im doing some costume for fun here.

>>1697935
kyle is know for taking a body part from photo and copying its shades. I dont know if he eyeballs it or paint it over.

>>1698091
Those facial proportions are a little messed up there. With the way the head is shaped her features should be moved a little upwards.

>>1698104
thanks
fixed.

>>1697730

go back to the basics, start with a normal standing position, you're not ready for complex stuff yet

>>1698201
r-really? a-am i that bad?

>>1698228
I like that you have your priorities, but those nipples are way too red.

>>1698228
Learn to draw well before you render man.
They're both equally as important.

Does this look right?

>>1698370
perspective feel off you should push her up more from the bottom and have her sitting more in the picture.

Dont forget to emphasises the weight of the deriere.

>>1698370
the head is completely off

are you using a reference?

I don't know how to shade this /ic/
it is beyond saving?

>>1698372

>perspective feel off

Could you be more specific.
It's her right side?

The weapon was a very last second thought, I was thinking about showing her hugging herself.

>>1698375

In which way?

I'm afraid I'm not using reference, I did look at several female backs but nothing in the same pose or angle.

>>1698385
Think about where your light source is coming from. Don't be afraid of darkening your values where they need be, such as behind her.

>>1698391
ok thank you

Hopefully it's a bit better now.

>>1698544
Find some refs of the backs of girl's heads would be my suggestion. The head looks ok, if a bit flat at the back, but necks are the hard thing from that angle, getting the connection right. The end of the hairline is tricky too, at the moment this looks like a wig; it doesn't taper out convincingly and you have the centre line of the hair the whole way down, where it would've stopped by the crown (hair crown, not the shiny metal crown). The thing round the neck seems a bit too high up at the moment too.

Keep at it though man, looks like a cool idea for a piece, and props for an interesting angle. You should be able to push the forms of the back and shoulders nicely later on with how loose or snug the bodice is to the skin, looking forward to seeing next steps.

>>1697632
b-bamp

Guys, I just want to draw like this.

>>1698601
Thank you.

I was thinking about giving her braids hence the long hairline but you're right the transition doesn't look convincing and it could show more form so I will chance that after looking at some references as you suggested.

Thanks again!

>>1698639
>start with animu style
>remove chins
>make eyes smaller
>pastel colors and light shading
EZ

>>1697462
If you have the money and the time, see if you can find some sort of figure drawing class in your area, especially one that focuses on anatomy. I started taking nude life drawing out of a professional's home about two years ago and it's the best thing I could have ever possibly done to improve as an artist, really got me out of my anime rut.

Lots of terrible things said in that thread. good anatomy has never been about showing all muscles at all cost. I think the roles in that thread are reversed between people who ask and give advice.

>>1698710
who are you quoting?

>>1698685
But where do I learn to do the animu style? There's a link to some jap site up there with air brush tutorials, I don't give a fuck, I want to draw!

>>1698727
How to Draw Manga books, I guess? I can't really recommend those, other than maybe Ben Dunn's.

>>1698727
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Kyle here. For the record ive never painted over a photo. Stop making stuff up about me.

>>1698880
i heard kyle is 6'5

>>1698900
I heard Kyle is 300 pounds of lean muscle and has a 14inch dick.

>>1698880
Ey Kyle, would you mind posting one of your works in the early stages for once?

I would like to see how you handle gesture and 'mannequinization' and shit like that.

>>1698985
I know Kyle personally and intimately, and he's big but not that big; he's 230lbs at 13% bf, and his dick is only 9" long and 8" around.

>>1698900
>>1698985
>>1699013
>non-inner kyle's circle of friends IRL detected

kyle is big especially his legs and actually look like the proportion of the stuff he draw.

i hope i didn't fuck up -too- badly this time

i hope i didn't fuck up -too- badly this time

>>1698787

No no no no no
those are total garbage done by american weebs who *think* they understand manga but fail horribly in the process. Pretty much every one can be summarized into bare minimum construction, terrible anatomy & design, generic set poses, encouraging lazy tacked-on expressions, and basically what amounts to endless shortcuts to get cheap shitty deviantart-tier results that would only impress highschoolers. It appeals to impatient types like >>1698727 who just want to dive right into stylization or drawing their favorite manga characters with minimal effort.

>>1699041
except there's that one collection made by actual mangakas that is actually good.

>>1699039
I think it looks pretty.

>>1699039

If you're going to draw ultra-fit girls at least take after 23 or something

the dissonance between your faces and bodies is getting pretty bad

>>1699039
I like it, except the overly-simple face doesn't fit the body at all. It doesn't matter how nicely you shade it, the face doesn't look right at all. I know, you could start off by trying to draw a more realistic yet still cute nose to fill all of that empty space between her nose and mouth!

Her hand looks wonky as well. I think you need to make the palm longer.

>>1699039
Mmmm, delicious.

>>1699045
>mangakas
>animes

>>1699041
Hey! I resemble that remark. :D

And now back to lurkin'.

hey guys, so I've been coming back to this one off and on out of stubborness, trying to fix the anatomy. I feel like something is still really off with the shoulders. Main issue is I need to anatomy more and when I first started painting this piece the anatomy was so far off It threw everything else off, and yet I'm trying to salvage it. Any one see anything glaringly off with the anatomy, I'm aware I do things a bit stylized(small noses and coloring) but in your opinion is this something I can get away with?

>>1698091
new pose.

Can i go for a new one or s something super bad about this one?

>>1699238
shit, and sorry for not scaling it mb

>>1699239
Head is too small. The entire back is a mess

>>1699245
care to redline i dont see how back is a mess.

>>1699249
I don't think my redlines are very good. I'll leave that to someone who's actually good at that sort of thing. I can only tell you the entire torso is completely off because your head is too small and too far to the left.

>>1699252
like this ;_; ?

Can I point out something from that last thread everyone failed to mention while they we're freaking out? If someone raises their leg, the attached buttock stretches rather than bunch. If anyone had said that, I'm sure he would've gotten it.

>>1699041
Genuine question: what do you (or anyone) recommend that's freely available online/DL?

>>1699238
I'd say you probably need to completely redo the body if you really want to fix the anatomy. Also, I see you're trying to give her... some kind of smirk. It hasn't much worked. If you look at pictures of people smirk or smiling, it's not just their mouths that are affected. It's their cheeks, their brow, or the mouth even. The mouth doesn't just simply tilt.

Your rendering is not awful, it's OK if we look at small sections, but a lot of it simply doesn't agree with your light source.

The hair is a gradient. I can't really help you on that one. Try looking online and finding pictures of real people to practice anatomy on, or even better, yourself. You are your best reference in anatomy.

>>1699279
>posting your email in the email field
dont do that man

>>1699282
Just google "how to draw manga pdf"
done

>>1699291
Looks like a fake email, but a waste of time regardless.

>>1699238
The face doesnt match the body.
It looks like if you photoshopped Clifford the big red dogs face on a Romantic piece

>>1699245
the head is fine, it is the entire distribution of weight that holds no relativity to the rest of the body's position.

>>1699299
next pose.


;_;

this are studies of poses Im doing. I hope you guys dont mind if i post every pose here when I finish it.

>>1699294
Thanks for the answer. I know how to use Google and I know what kind of garbage is there because I actually tried before asking. Filled with pay sites, self-promotion, dA/tumblr and shit like this (not that there's anything wrong with that!).
I should maybe rephrase my question: "Does anyone has specific and precise tutorials and/or resources available for free online that are not shit? Please?"

>>1699301
forgot.

>>1699303
I don't think I much understand the 2:1 hip to waist ratio, but to each his own, I supposse.
That is one awful case of knock knees she's got there.

For all that ass, she sure has a small set of tits.

>>1699302
Not pdfs, but these are pretty decent:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/index.html
http://kitasite.net/kr/index.htm

i've been working on some derpy fanart to sell maybe at conventions or on an etsy or something maybe eventually
inb4 her wrist is breaking. i am working on this now.

>>1699306
yes I fucked the knees. Not sure how to fix tho.

Well we need a variety ! smaller tits are nice too !

going to post more tomorrow. now sleep.

>>1699302
You ever tried to hop on a livestream and catch some artists?
Sometimes they give tutorials.
Though i never checked the anime style of the sticky, I dont know what they have and what they don't have.

Did you look for PDF's or just "anime tutorials"?

who paper here

>>1699313
Thanks for the advice. I searched for anime tutorials pdf. Might put pdf between commas next time, but even then the quality of what you can find greatly varies: you often will be redirected towards torrents or ebook websites. Doesn't tell you if it's worth the Dl or not.
>>1699309
>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/index.html
>http://kitasite.net/kr/index.htm
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>1699311
Well, you could turn the thighs and lower leg as well as the feet, that would certainly explain it.

What was your reference?

>>1699315
Thats good.
You should try to make a comic or something

>>1699303
The body shape reminds me of (lm) legoman

>>1699137
>GreyDeath
Oh my...why you don't post more Dirty Pair stuff anymore?

I hope the overlay mode of PS is better than SAI, I wanted to colour it but I think I already went overboard with the grayscale values.

>>1699370

Not sure if serious... frankly, I haven't been drawing stuff for myself lately.

But at least I did finally get the script done for my 2nd Dirty Pair doujinshi. Gotta start doing some page layouts. So maybe I'll be posting some actual continuity.

>>1699396
The last time I saw something yours was that chibi Yoko kitty from Gurren Lagann.

I love your Dirty Pair stuff.

I just recently downloaded that "Good Brush" kit from that website. And I don't know the first thing about these brushes. I mean, I know what the difference between the brush and smudge tool ones but can someone give some pointers. Pic related I tried to design an atoll or something... I'm still learning. Any pointer on how to use these brushes and this picture?

>>1699434
Switch to black and white, Round Brush and start practicing Values, perspective and edge control.

>>1699434
Do landscape studies man, and studies of everything really, it will fill your visual library gauge to allow you to draw succesfully from imagination.
>the answer is not on the brush

Trying to move away from too-anime styles and falling slightly into tumblr zones...

binding of isaac

Where can I download photoshop brush setups for drawing comics? I just want a simple one that can mimic a real pen efficiently

>>1699492
just use simple round one with 3-4 % spacing.

>>1699669
I don't know, it doesn't feel comfortable. I just started using a tablet for the first time but I can't get the feeling right.

Also for some reason the Wacom software doesn't recognize Photoshop

>>1699673
it generaly dosent feel good. Make brave strokes and ctr-z them if they are not right. You can also make a new layer, make a stroke then free transform it and use warp function to fit dat nigger. then merge.

>>1698228
anything i should fix before i call this done?

>>1699681
the skin tone of head dosent match rest of the body. the hair is low quality. The face expression is bad, I would make it more stylized and make her expression more seductive or if you want her to be shy make the expresssion in a way she looks shy (eyes going away from viewer for e.g)

>>1699681
the hair looks horrible and the face uninteresting, the looks kinda weird also.
it's like you spend the most time trying to get the tits right

>>1699685
>the looks kinda weird also.

* the legs

>>1699320
next pose + fixed old.

for reference I use low quality porn.

>>1697787
So where's the giant cock that should be hanging between her thigh?

I started this like a couple months back, forgot about it on a USB drive, and just now rediscovered and started trying to do shit to it again.
fuck I don't know what I'm doing
ugh grids or something

Recommend me some good pixiv artist

>>1699474
Looks alright. What about that reads as tumblr?

>>1699483
How is that game? Thinking of getting it once it comes out.

>>1699727
Nice. The arms are a little short on the new pose, though.

>>1699787
Dunno, I haven't been able to adapt that box method, yet. I get really hung up on the head size and proportions.

>>1699316
>>1699282
Do some people have more please?

>>1699790

everyone is too busy spinning their wheels

>>1699727
Is she an amputee?

>>1699831
no, you dont see her lower leg in that positon.

>>1699861
So, not only must the leg be completely folded, but, the leg is also at a 45 degree angle, and the front of the leg is turned directly at the viewer? This is some crazy ass porn people are making.

That extreme jut from that same leg is a bit off putting, but we could reason that the jut is actually just the hip. But then, that would mean the torso attaches to her right leg, instead of the waist.

I was wrong before, THAT is some crazy ass porn.

Nice fix on the leg for the other pose, but I just noticed the torso has a bit of a chubbiness to it. Either the back is too jut out, or her stomach is. This is without noting the shoulder blade is depressed, and the back doesn't bend, but bulges.

>>1699883
ok, stay here cuz gonna fix it for ya m8teee.

suggestions on how I can make the jeans look tighter?

>>1699727
Here's reference.

>>1699992
And this would be a more natural, relaxed pose. But probably not what you're going for.

>>1699973
look up skinny jeans
they should be sticking closer to his legs and smaller folds

>>1699992
>>1699993
thanks. are you the same guy who helped pointing out mistakes ? This ref helps. I tried working on that pose but its so late now and I must sleep.. check out the alt stylized thread later.

>>1699999
>guy

>>1700000
r u a grill ? u wont sum fuk bby ?

Drew some girls. Idk. Line quality == mouse.

>>1699999
Not the same guy, though I would not have seen your drawing without his critique. Now I think of it, you better don't draw your ladies traps as big as in the reference, females usually have way smaller traps than that.

>>1700007
>mouse
have you heard of the pen tool?

>>1700000
don't imply things in my place, anon

Hey I missed you guys

>>1699999
>>1700000
Oh fug, nice gets.
>>1700007
This is seriously like fourth grade level Naruto drawings. Read the sticky.

>>1700053
Hi hi, one thing I noticed is that the mouth is too small. Also redjuice guy is that you?

r8 my tonk

background is grey because the lines were almost too light for the scanner to pick up.

derp

>>1700070
pew pew, looks like it's made of paper

>>1700067
That mouth is also too low. It's so low it's scary.

>>1700075
Hmm yeah now that you mentioned it it is a tad too low, lets see if we can fix it shall we?

>>1700076
This is the most half-assed fix I've ever done, but I think it'll get my point across.

>>1700077
>>1700075
>>1700076
>>1700067

It's nice to see people here still remember me.

Cheers guys, I noticed that myself too. This should clear it up.

>>1700077
The mouth is still too small though.

>>1700078
Glad you're still coming back, we need more like you frequenting here. Also it would be great to make those eyes smile as well I tried giving a corner to the mouth to make it smile more hopefully my redline would help in some way.

>>1700078
Still too low and too small.

>>1700074
Ooh damn son, is that mother fucking Chaplin?

not sure how i feel about dem arms

>>1700081
Anon, you also have to remember that the face is tilted, so while it does need to be bigger, it also need to be better aligned.

Also, I think it would be more effective and fitting with her already established stuff to have much more soft mouth shading ala Haruhiko Mikimoto. That line is a bit too overstated to go with the rest of the rendering he did.

But yes, having the eyes "smile" is pretty much a necessity, other wise you have a broken, forced, fake smile.

>>1700081
Mouth is too small and too far away from the nose imo.

>>1700088
Instead of spending so much time drawing the whole thing, you should have just focused on drawing one small element, but right. You should stop drawing it for now altogether, open new canvas, open some references, and draw a head lying on an arm. This drawing is completely wrong and if you keep working on it as it is, you'll only waste time

>>1700106
Nope, can't find any fucks to give. Continuing mission.

Well, the arm has been resolved, yet the hands are doing their own thing. note: using myself for referance has proved futile. Perhaps it's the lack of shadows?

>>1700137
Its not perfect perspective wise but I like the style

>>1699391
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>>1700137
>Arms and legs have somehow managed to be about half the length they are supposed to be
>Torso is insanely long
>She's not holding her head, she's holding her hair.
>perspective of he body and the bed she's laying on have somehow managed to become completely detached from each other
>the center of the body floats above the bed, remaining flat on the bent bed, instead of laying on it
There's quite a few problems with this. I can give you credit for trying something new, but that's it. I enjoy your style, but you seriously need to work on you hands and positioning as well as manipulating the body.

This bed is supposed to be a chair, isn't it? The chair should be in line with the instruments and controls you have at the other end.

There's a lot I simply am unable to comprehend about this.

I bastardized so many pieces here.
I'm in search of a developing a style of drawing faces and thought it'd be fun to use this thread to practice it.

>>1700137
You've got some anatomy flaws, but I do like the detail you've got. Try watching Sycra's video on foreshortening.

>>1700152
>muh Amuro
it's alright
I should probably do something similar.

>>1700154
Sorry, I severely messed up Amuro ;_;

>>1700157
It's alright. You probably did a lot quick than I did.

>>1700160
I keep babyfacing things.

>>1700182
The thing about 70s and 80s anime is that they made sure the jaws and noses were defined and tangible, sometimes even when moe. Unless QUALITY occurs of course.

If you got that, you'll be okay.
If its something you think your style can't mimic, make sure you get the important stuff then stylize.

>>1700182

Annie murdered Marco

>>1700197
How did you know I had just seen that episode

>>1699681
I would really shift the weight to one side. Work on the anatomy a little more.

>>1700257
going for the yaoi hands I see.

>>1700357
MY HEART

Lee's mouth seems a bit small though, and his left hand seems at an odd angle compared to the angle of his arm

>>1700257
You've changed the character from someone who's shy to someone who's strongheaded.

Worst redline ever.

>>1699727
fixed old+ new one.

I have trubble with lower legs on new one. I dont like my faces too.

>>1700518
>that rending
Anon, um
I think you overstated it a bit too much.

I like the fix, and I see you've added new arms.

Did you ever fix the back and shoulders on that other one where she's grabbing her ass?

>>1700141
Yeah, first time attempt at such a perspective, in such a complex position, on top of all things. And thank you~

>>1700529
No I didnt, sorry :(

You mean the rendering is overstated or something else ?

>>1700151

>bent bed
Oh god my sides XD
It's the drivers compartment of an M1 Abrams, the chair is 3 piece or so, it's hard to get the shape I wanted over all since I'm kind of winging it from memory.

Yes I agree the torso is too long, I tried again and again and that length is the only one that I like since it's proportionate to the vehicle as well as the seat.

The hair, and that hand is the issue I'm currently displeased with, telling me it looks wrong isn't helping me not make it look any better~

I think Im gonna polish this one and make my first picture thats not study.

>>1700579
She looks kinda retarded.
Can I have the ref you were using, something's definitely off about the pose but I can't tell what exactly you were going for.

>>1700595
Tips? Different hatching and shading tricks? Anything?

>>1700595
I used this but changed it bit. I dont see how is she looking retarded.

>>1697194
i posted this on /v/ a while ago and people said it was shitty. how shitty is it?

>>1700599
Use a ref which doesn't look like an amputee, geez.
For starters, what is she looking at? Put in some context. Her eyes look like they're looking in different directions.
The arm doesn't support the body. Her right shin is as flat as paper, knee is broken. Foreshortening on the left shin is weird, it looks too short. Neck is in a weird angle compared to the body, as if she's stretching her neck or something.
Fix the construction before rendering.

>>1700601
The neck is dislodged from the torso, the femur bone is dislocated from the pelvis, she has no fingers, the figure is out of proportion, poor line quality, it has no feet, there is no side plane for where the ear would be, eyes are too close together, the spine has been snapped in half.

>Ahue, redline it huehuehue

No, that would call for completely redrawing it and by the looks of it you wouldn't benefit from a redline anyway.

>>1700605
>girl can pose like that
>she must be an amputee !

1. the eyes are unfinished and she will look at the viewer
2.the hands lie in wrong persp but the arms do support the body. You also have abdominal muscles that keep the torso in that position
3.will fix the shin
4.which knee ?
5.yeah will fix it
6.will look into neck

>>1700606
don't worry, someone on /v/ last night redlined it for me. but i have a few questions about your critique

>no fingers
it only shows the back of the hand. well, at least for the left hand

>figure is out of proportion.
elaborate please

>poor line quality
sorry...? it was a bush i usually use in sai. it comes out looking like a pencil

>it has no feet
yes it does, they're just covered up by her pants around her ankles. her toes are poking out a bit

thanks for the rest though, nice critique

>>1700595
Constructive criticism at it's finest
>looks retarded

>>1700609 see pic related
>>1700614 see >>1700605 , it's so obvious, she looks like a vegetable.

>>1700619
can you help me with the right lower leg ?

I think i fixed the left one.

is the face ok tho ?

>>1700614
>muh constructive criticism
kill yourself
that's still good feedback. imagine you post it into your gallery and 50% of the people looking at it think "god that looks derpy". and don't tell you.
believe me, it happens all the time.

you should be glad when somebody tells you "it looks kinda wrong" even if they can't explain why. that way at least you know that a percentage of people WILL see it that way.
unless you're the kind of faggot who thinks everybody here is out to bullshit you

also he's right, it DOES look retarded. probably because it lacks focus. i mean, what the hell is she even doing? where is she looking?
the artist focused on a random pose and the anatomy and nothing else, and we can see it.

>>1700610
This entire post is nothing but excuses, keep diluting yourself with pointless redlines that you will never use.

>>1700532
The rendering, sorry.

>>1700535
Okay then.

I don't understand the hands. They don't make sense to me. I do t know what they're doing or how its supposed to be posed.

It means that you have difficulty attaching the hand to the arm, how to gesture with hands, and manipulating them by angle and perspective. This isn't something that I could simply tell you that such and such is done wrong and how to fix it, it means you need to go and learn yourself some hands and fix this in the work, doing it over and over until you are comfortable with leaving it alone.

>>1700623
You have a problem with distributing the weight of the figure thus your drawings look unbalanced. Continue doing poses, it's useful.
This one in particular is leaning a bit too much.
The face could use some tweaks but you should fix the posture first. I put a placeholder where the leg could be and moved the other leg a bit. Check out the redline for tweaks I did to fix up the balance and composition. Also, moved the nipple kehehe

>>1700655
wow thanks. I did myself this bluepinkred line while you was helping me. What do you think of my attempt to fix it ? I will continiue with your fix tho.

I seriously am terrible at perspective.
Can someone redline this please? or at least give criticism?

>>1700659
oops I'm stupid

does the circled arm look properly foreshortend?

>>1700627
what? sorry. i'm not trying to excuse myself. but things like the feet. there are feet. i know there's feet

>>1700663
hey other anon here.

You dont acualty know that. I didnt too when I started drawing (i drew like you). Trust me until you wont start observing things from life, photos, anatomy books etc you wont know how it looks. I mean yeah you have an idea in your brain but the drawing is sort of a test of what you know about reality and you produce symbols here. Vilppu said that you dont know what stuff looks like until you draw them.

>>1700658
The lower leg looks pretty good! I'd use that instead of my redline if I were you. You can make a healthy combination of the two.
Redline: Tilt the head and fold the upper leg a bit more so the feet don't meet.
Bluepinkredline: Use the lower leg you drew, cause it looks good.
You managed to save the arm situation with the pillows somewhat but be careful cause they already seem kind of out of the blue. Think of some context to put them in (if you decide not to mess with the arms).

>>1700666
Ok will mix both.
I decided to change the arms as you did tho.

Thanks for the help Im genuinely thankful and happy.

>>1700664
thanks man, i'll try to fix them

>>1700668
wait anon.

You dont need to fix them. Drop this drawing. i encurage you to read the sticky and work for cuple of weeks on anatomy, watch scott roberson videos on perspective so you will know how to place things on the ground correctly. Do gesture drawings. Just grind it.

then after cuple of weeks you can start doing poses combining the knowlege of gesture, perspective and anatomy.

I know its hearthbreaking when someone bashes your drawing but its accualy better for you.

videos i recomend:
vilppus drawing manual : its on PB its 17gb
michael hampton analitical figure drawing; its on rutracker
and scott robertson.

oh yes also this because you suffer from "chicken skraching"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fusT-dwVE

thats of course if you WANT to get gut. If your drawing satisfy you you dont have to do any of this but know that noone will like it.

>>1700667
No problem, man
Do a lot of quick (few minutes) sketches, and you can also check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JHt6lOGfRs

I found it very nicely explained and I think it's gonna be useful to you. Good luck!

>>1700672
well, thanks man. thats really helpful. also, i don't exactly get what you mean by "guesture drawings" but i once drew a closeup of a girl with a card between her fingers, if that counts for anything

>>1700677
Anon get sticky pls.

>>1700679
i read the sticky and the rules. what am i doing wrong?

>>1700677
a gesture drawing is a drawing that focus on the "feel" and rythm of a figure. Its first thing you do when drawing a pose. Its not that important at this stage to be propotion correctly.

http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
here is a site that can be used as a tool for practise the gesture drawing. The goal is to draw the pose in 2 minutes for e.g and with as little lines indicate what the figure is doing.
you should always draw feets and hands in the gesture because it help define the figure in space ( triangle as feets will do in this stage)

>>1700672
Post your arts, let's see them

>>1700681
sounds good

>>1700682
scroll up, all the woman in grayscale poses are mine.

>>1700688
Yeah, I figured that much. You have a uncoordinated understanding of drawing. Your trouble is you can't get any of theses concepts to work together organically. And I think the reason for that is you're umware of the truncated stuff that went to your resources. It's a very common problem with people who actually go through the sticky. It's not your fault entirely, most people follow the sticky so as to feel a part of something. It gives them a sense of comardare. But soon or later your going to ask yourself, what's more important: learning to draw for yourself or learning to draw like your friends?

made a couple of other attempts at this, what am I doing wrong?

>>1700720
What are you trying to do? I can't even tell which direction the figure is standing or even what they're doing. Is he stabbing himself or taking the sword from his back?

>>1700727
taking sword from back

>>1700731
Of course we know that logically, but that's not adequately represented in your sketch.

>>1700720
Don't take my word. This just made me realize I don't know my anatomy.

Have you tried just, like, looking at references on how the arm bends? Like scratching a back or an overhead swing with an axe. Or even just Rin from Free. I haven't watched it, but all the pictures of him I see are him with his hands going through his hair.

>>1700720

>>1700749
>>1700750
thank you, i did another attempt at it because i wasn't really liking it anyway i will check out those references though

>>1700754
what the fuck is going on with everything below the evrything

>>1700756
Sorry can you be a bit more specific? Ive been trying to use a figure as a guide is that a bad idea?

>>1700768
the proportions are all wrong

also its probably a good idea to use human reference when drawing a human, not some weird robot thing in heavy armor

>>1700768
Not that anon but your proportions are really wrong. Look at the legs of your ref and then look at your drawing.

Been a while /ic/
Old sketch I did maybe a year ago I think.

It's a design for this protagonist for this manga I wanted to make but never got around to actually starting
>-Archtypical Joseph Campbell (J)RPG-story >mixing high-fantasy, cyber and steampunk; >plus it's got steampunk polar bears©. (inspired >by Tales of Symphonia/Zelda; Windwaker/FFIX)

it's shit isn't it?;_;
May post more later

Cartoonist here, I was wondering if there was any suggestions on the character design?
I was thinking that I need to desaturate a color from her clothes, or change a color etc.

>>1700900
More sketches of her.

>>1700900
Looks cute. My opinions: the chest is too low, I'm not digging the shape of the eye, one hand is bigger than the other, and I'm not crazy about the feet pointing toward each other.

>>1700905
Eh, sometimes like doing eyes that way.

>>1700896
Updated (or variant) design

I love inking things

>>1700953
Some dynamic line weight would really make your drawings pop.

>>1700955
I'm fucking terrible at dynamic line work.

I wish I knew how to do it, I always feel like somethings missing.

>>1700922
looks a little generic, but the linework is pleasing

I wish we were more popular ;_;

something for you guys.

>>1701007
git gud and then we'll be

>>1701010
that's not how you horse anon

>>1701017
but it's a hornless bull...

>>1701029
thats one fucked up cow anon

>>1700953
the cancon seems rather short

>>1701180
i think sometimes they have a like mortar barrel which is short

This was fun for what it was, but it's shit. I'm thinking to re-do it. Any suggestions? I'm gonna be diving into the sticky before I take another shot at it, I just wanted to know what I should look out for.

>>1700958
It's called use SAI u hoe

Pressure tool in combination with tablet.

>>1700896
>>1700922
Cute!

>>1701218
I fucking dig it, man! Nice colors! I like the way you work with color in general!

>>1700922
What's your technique for designing the hair and clothes? I've been wanting to start a manga soon, but clothes and hair are kinda a pain for me.

>>1701335
seconding this but more on the clothes part.

>>1701335
Kind of difficult to explain; Part of it from visual memory, i.e drawing from scratch or off the top of your head and using designs from other existing works (let's say Iwahara Yuji as potential reference.)

The other part was influence from other designers I suppose. Like those character design sheets you see people do for japanese video games and anime and what not.
>>1701336
Clothes part is...admittedly based off of whatever potential design philosophies from JRPG designers, Tetsuya Nomura being a key reference.

I'm not entirely sure if /ic/ hates his guts or not, but in any case, his way of drawing clothes, outragoeus as they are, is pretty helpful when drawing something stylized.

tl;dr picturing an outline of the character (or clothes) and then working on details.

Hope that helps.

>>1700714
yeah, nah.

>>1700714
post your stuff pls

not that guy, but i *kind of* see what you're saying.
i also find that i get too concious of anatomy at times. especially for animu, i'd like to be more loose.

that being said, this has absolutely zilch to do with the "ic community" or the sticky.

How is it so far?

>>1701218
I love your colours.

I'd go for darker blacks, next time, but that could just be a stylistic choice. I don't like how I can't tell what's going on in the bottom left of the picture, and I don't like how my eyes don't know where to go - it's caught between the wolf's eye and the light on the bottom right. I just don't like the wolf in general. The anatomy is weird and the sexy eyes bother me. Love the prince (?) though.

>>1701390
>>1701406
Deny it all you want. Make excuses all you want. Your not saying anything I haven't heard.

>>1701511
I dont make any excuses faggot. Im working my ass here. You know shit about me and how much i increased my skill because of what I do.

>>1701511
you're pretty much making all excuses as not to post your work.

>>1701511
but i barely denied it.

like i said, you do have a point in that people shouldn't just practice fundamentals all the time, they also need to practice creating what they want more often (finished works etc).

you also got a point in saying that anatomy is more well received around here since it's an aspect that is easier to judge. some people may lose themselves too much in anatomy to get ic's approval.
those are all real problems around here. it'd be much better if we focused on presentation in general rather than technicality.

but on the other hand: chances are you are just another scrub who never went beyond muh style, but you try to stop others who do try to advance further.
that's why i wanted to see your work.
technicalities ARE important after all, it's just that one shouldn't forget the bigger picture

>>1701346
Sounds like good advice. Do you have a DA or a Tumblr? I'd like to see more of your work.

>>1699315
Never held a gun huh?

>>1701539
mfw /a/ made me a bit scared of tumblr and I haven't updated my DA in years.

thanks for the compliment though, I could prob get a pixiv account, make a new DA or something.

Some of the drawings from the past days I did online. I started learning how to paint with brushes in greyscale. And by that I mean copying where colours are on the photos or drawings I print and tape to my laptop keyboard.

I'm probably hurting myself and wasting time drawing without layers, ctrl+z and on ~500px canvas. But on the other hand I have the smallest wacom and 14' screen so I feel comfortable in ant environment. In the books in sticky I read I should draw with my whole arm but I can only do that on paper..

Some of the drawings from the past days I did online. I started learning how to paint with brushes in greyscale. And by that I mean copying where colours are on the photos or drawings I print and tape to my laptop keyboard.

I'm probably hurting myself and wasting time drawing without layers, ctrl+z and on ~500px canvas. But on the other hand I have the smallest wacom and 14' screen so I feel comfortable in ant environment. In the books in sticky I read I should draw with my whole arm but I can only do that on paper..

>>1701570
draw with paper then, if you really want that sweet online attention you can scan your drawings if they are good enough or tweek them in a program of your choice, anything is better than fucking up your hand.
Also, you should work on your structure and proportions, mainly facial, but overall they as well other fundies need work.

>>1701575
i know that feel. working on ant bamboo.

nice stuff looks like im not the only pervert here.

this is today exercises. going to do still lifes now.

>>1701575
>>1701579
Newfag here, regarding the whole arm thing: is an Intuos Medium too small to work with your whole arm or is it okay?

>>1701519
>>1701521
So show me up and post your stuff. Demonstrate what you been learning.

>>1701528
It very simple a miseducation leads to malpractice. If you use something like the sticky, you'll be set up to fail in the long. I think if you critically look at the longest running advocates for the sticky you'll see what I'm talking about.

>>1701578
>>1701575
It's not need for attention that much, rather need to see anything happen around me. Like in multiplayer games I used to play, you just see players around doing their own stuff and it feels better - than drawing alone on paper for the whole day. I draw for some time on paper daily but it gets very depressing.

Scanner makes paper drawings look really bad, I'd need a really good camera. But then again, I wouldn't even have anyone to show it to. I have 20 followers on my tumblr and no point posting on /ic/ because tbh I see what is wrong with these damn drawings, more or less... that's why I generally only lurk /ic/.

>>1701579
Aren't you afraid that one day you'll get a professional tablet and all this wrist practice will be rendered useless? I know I'm a bit afraid

>Also, you should work on your structure and proportions, mainly facial, but overall they as well other fundies need work.
Yes, I'm planning to force myself to do exercises from books exclusively for some time. How will it go I don't know

Maybe I'll post something again like in half a year

>>1701604
i don't think anyone is failing here. true, they give anatomy a little too much importance over the other things, but it's still improvement one way or another.
i mean they are obviously "not there" yet, but you'd be a fool to think that it could happen that easily, with or without the sticky. it's a gradual process.

and again, please show me what you can do if you are such a natural learning sensei.
or if you want to, i'll show my art if you show yours, or vice versa. (although i only used a few things from the sticky, but i used other similar stuff)

and another thing: the sticky is just a collection of resources. how many times does this need to be said ffs.

>>1701607
No, because I also draw with normal pencil.

>>1701609
I never said I was guru, please post your work prove me wrong if you're so sure of everything. You could be right, you could be better than me, don't be shy post your stuff, show me what you been learning.

>>1701610
Same, but for me the difference between paper and digital is huge. Maybe because I started digital first, only then moved to paper

>>1701614
I started with pencil first.

Hey do you have DA maybe ?

>>1701607
>all this wrist practice will be rendered useless
>wrist practice
are you fucking serious? don't use your wrist.

>>1701621
what am i looking at

>>1701625
lrn2read
>dat filename

>>1701611
>I never said I was guru
right. and yet you're trying to tell others where their pursuits will end?
i mean you sure act like a guru.
i don't know, i think one should at least have something to show for it if you're going to lecture others like this.

>if you're so sure of everything
i'm not sure of anything really.
but what about you? you seem so sure about the sticky being the devil. why is that?

now who the better one is doesn't matter, because i doubt any of us are where they want to be art wise. unless you're really that advanced.
that being said, this is my art >>1700943.
now your turn pls.

>>1701627
(I fapped to your stockings drawing once)

;3

>>1701621
Hey FAGGOT, did you know that this made up excuse only happens if you work for about eight or more hours EVERY SINGLE DAY? Also, if you're not using a laptop your wrist is already tired from hodling the mouse, which also can lead you to this without working at all.

>>1701633
>Implying this justifies using your wrist to draw
Sure man, whatever you say.

>>1701652
as long as you understand

>>1701632
>(I fapped to your stockings drawing once)
>;3

Not that Anon but I can't stop laughing like a retard right now and my sides are gone.

>>1701653
>>>1701652
>as long as you understand
what? that drawing with your wrist is one of the worst things you can do? not only skill wise but as an overall unhealthy practice?
Yeah, don't worry, i'm sure most people here get that.

>>1701633
Wait, you mean you move your mouse with your wrist as well? What the fuck, man. What the fuck

>>1701627
I have no turn, I'm just waiting for you to show me the glory of what you learned from the sticky. Put down the muscle milk weight gain drink and show me how you been learning.

>>1700518
How did you do the shading on that? The mix of blended values and sharp lines looks interesting looks interesting.

New thread:

>>1701725
>>1701725
>>1701725

>>1701702
reply in the new thread >>1701746