/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1700117
Can't see any mistakes, want a second opinion before I start rendering.

>>1700119
loosen up his shoulders

>>1700120
Okay, thanks!

Posted the last WIP a couple threads back, I'm pretty sure I fixed most of the anatomy issues, but now the face is tripping me up. Any tips?

>>1700143

I think the lips, or just the bottom lip, is too far forward, it looks like she has an underbite.

Hand study for class

I feel like my school is the only one that didn't have archery
now how the hell do you hold an arrow
I guessed that you hold it in between your pointer and middle finger and you hold the bow on the handle below where the arrow is set
and I looked for references but they were all too low res to see the hands

>>1700143
yea man, as previous anon said, it's the lower lip, and her neck, check the back of her neck and it's transition into the cranium and into her shoulder, it looks.... strange. if she's got her head tucked that close in you're not gonna have such a clean jawline either, i don't think.

also her lower leg is waaaaay to long, i mean i get it's a prosthetic but unless you're gonna add the same extra long calf to the other leg it looks a bit odd.

great gesture though the thumb definitely reads well and it's got a definite feeling of motion

>>1700168
hand should be up near your cheek, you pretty much sight down the arrow to aim, also your elbow is generally locked or nearly locked, current pose looks like they are mid draw

>>1700168

Index on top of the nock, middle and ring fingers underneath. Index finger should be just below the corner of the mouth.The arm hold the bow should be completely straight.

>assuming they are shooting properly

>>1700173
wow that was fast! ty draw threads
"up near your cheek" like this?

Did some doodlin' and a study today, after the Belvedere Torso. I was mainly focusing on edge control, experimenting how to make those edges, and the separation between light and shadow.

Edges are confusing as hell sometimes.

Okay, this is turning out incredibly flat...
No sense of form means problem with values. I've been doing value studies but apparently not learning from them. What do?

>>1700188
>>1700189

the irony.

>>1700187

Hand in the close up is way off, the fingers should be more extended as they're holding 50+ pounds of tension back behind the second segment of the finger. Also the thumb is not involved in holding the string in any way.

gettin' better, how the fuck can't you find a ref for something like this?

>>1700187
better, lock that elbow on the arm holding the bow and raise the hand it should be just below the arrow

Damn I think this is like the fifth one I've worked on, but they are progressively getting better than the last. So I guess thats good

>>1700188
This looks really nice man.

I'm still trundling along on this, not sure on my values/contrast though, any thoughts are appreciated.

>>1700191
one time I had a cold and without my natural sense of direction I couldn't find my way home
>>1700194
thanks, is it time to work on wonky proportions yet?

>>1700203
Take your time and focus on an accurate drawing. If the drawing is flawed, the painting will be to.

>>1700203
I feel that way often, too
their heads are way too far forward on their necks

Hey guys, I was just wondering how I can get better at drawing - im using a wacom tablet and whenever someone requests something i try to draw it and it looks horrible, i dont know the structure if what theyre telling me to draw, like lets say a frog - i tried to draw that but it looks horrible (not being specific and asking how to draw a frog) anyways someone please reply. Thanks :)

>>1700206
I'm guessing it's a smaller tablet?
when drawing with a smaller tablet I feel it's easier to draw on a bigger piece of paper first and then scan it, since working on a small space is just kind of difficult in general

Yet unfinished sketch. Need to fix the positioning of the legs
>>1700200
The white spot in the trees between his body and his arm draws my eye away from the figure which I assume is your focal point. Maybe darkening that area? Also it took me a while to notice the tree branches. Try and make those stand out a it more.
why did you end up not using the photo background? I was kind of digging the aesthetic.
>>1700206
Sticky is a great place to start. It helped me out. What it seems like right now is that you just need to start drawing a lot, and get a lot of practice. When you feel like you can't improve on your own, start posting in these threads. Also fuck loomis.

>>1700208
wacom intuos
And do you have any tips to become a better drawer? any site anything please.

>>1700212
read the sticky

>>1700210
Thanks :)

>>1700206
http://prrb.tumblr.com/post/30177790499/shrimp-method
What you describe is a lack of visual library, probably paired with an untrained hand. The link is basically a tutorial for building your visual library in regards to a specific subject, but your visual library can be built from your everyday experiences. Along with what some other anons have mentioned, the sticky is a great place to start, as well as Feng Zhu's FZD videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMluMPUggJI

Feng talks about the importance of a strong visual library and gives lots of good advice for building your own as well as other constructive concept art tips.

>>1700215
Sorry but where's the sticky? I'm new to 4chan - no hard feelings on me please lol.

>>1700217
>>1579290
It's at the top of the board. Good luck

>>1700217
Its the first post of the first page
>>1579290

>>1700215
Should I download and follow Loomis?

>>1700202
need to raise that hand on the left more, to the cheek bone or right next to the corner of the mouth as the other anon said,

you sight down the arrow in order to aim, right now it's too far from the eyes to be able to properly sight down it

>>1700238
Loomis? Loomyes!
>>1700244
those words are too complex for my simple mind. References I find are too technical, low res, or wrong

>>1700188 Here,

>>1700189
First, have you been studying your studies? So many people study as far as their blessed little hands can take them, but for all that effort they don't DO anything with it. Look over your studies again, write down what you learned, wait a day, see what you remember - take breaks while you're doing other pieces, flip through your notes, make sure you're not forgetting what you learned. You're not passive about critiquing yourself, don't be passive about learning, either.

As far as the piece, you're not rendering in forms and you haven't created a clear separation between light and shadow. Remember, planes in shadow and in light need their own very distinct set of tones - read Pyle's notes on Light and Shadow. I did a really basic (poor) paintover, but hopefully it gets across what I'm trying to say.

Also, reference, and watch your edges.

>>1700168
>>1700187
>>1700202

Teach yourself to figure it out with reference, you won't learn as much by asking us every step of the way.

>>1700259
to me it looks like she doesn't have full draw, when you aim a bow up it makes your arm shorter, so you need to draw it further past your face.

also i think her arms are a touch short in general

here is a red-line, is opinion not correction.

>>1700272
oops, I meant to ask in my first post about where to find reliable sources, since even if I look at things I don't know what's happening

>>1700188 Here,

>>1700189
First, have you been studying your studies? So many people study as far as their blessed little hands can take them, but for all that effort they don't DO anything with it. Look over your studies again, write down what you learned, wait a day, see what you remember - take breaks while you're doing other pieces, flip through your notes, make sure you're not forgetting what you learned. You're not passive about critiquing yourself, don't be passive about learning, either.

As far as the piece, you're not rendering in forms and you haven't created a clear separation between light and shadow. Remember, planes in shadow and planes in light need their own very distinct set of tones - read Pyle's notes on Light and Shadow.

Also, find more reference for your drawing, and watch your edge quality.

>>1700168
>>1700187
>>1700202
>>1700259

Teach yourself to figure it out with reference, then. You won't learn as much by asking us every step of the way.

Hi, inexperienced drawer here; I want to get better at developing a cute style, any advice for that in particular?

>>1700275
ty, although that was just a gesture, you didn't have to put so much work into relining something like that

>>1700276

You're not thinking it through, the image you posted is already an amazing reference for what you're trying to accomplish. Take the information that it's giving you, gesture in a figure with that in mind, and then adjust.

Look at how the bow is embedded against his palm, how the force of it is pushing his hand back in a bit, how the bow bends, how he's holding the bow and the arrow, how he's lining it all up. It's all there, you just have to find it.

>>1700279
what the fuck am i looking at

>>1700283
but how am I supposed to find that if I don't know what I'm looking for? Before reading anon's response, I couldn't tell what images where in action, what images were good, but now that I asked them I can search better. I asked three questions, that's not really "every step of the way"

im just learning go easy

>>1700316
one more. i have others if anyone wants to critique.

>>1700204
Even when redrawing a few times, I keep making the same mistakes: back of skull too big, distance cheek-ear too big, ...
whyyyyyy -____-
- basically saying that I agree with you, and that I am a tiny bit frustrated.

>>1700205
Thanks for the tip - hadn't noticed myself. Have no idea what you mean with "feel that way" though?

>>1700330
oh, I was just making a joke about their expressions
you're obviously adept at painting but you should nip anatomy problems in the bud by doing quick gestures and tweeking the problems there
general anatomy problems can also be fixed by practicing different poses a lot, so even if you have problems finding more specific references you can make better choices, kind of like what an anon said earlier about visual libraries

5min drawing I did when bored

>>1700318
well, you traced a sandshrew.

now see if you can draw it in a pose of your own concept. it'll be good practice, it's constructed with some very simple shapes.

>>1700338
well i sketched it lol. how would i go about doing it on my own. is it cheating if i have a few different pictures to look at? i have shit memory

>>1700341
drawing from references is expected, tracing is not

>stop drawing for 2 weeks
>decide its about time
>get inspired
>sketch out idea
>-"time to block in values"
>looks awfull
>cry

Help me guys. plz

>>1700343
ah okay. ill try to make a couple soon then.

Thought this was going kinda neat. Might push it pretty far. Make it worse probably.

>>1700348

do you even soft edges faggot?

>>1700348
It always looks awful before looking the best. Use the poly lasso tool to clean up and start shading.

Or alternatively before each value or block you make a new layer, erase unwanted edges and merge it down.

>>1700336
>you're obviously adept at painting
(´∀｀) oh dear, that's the first time I get a compliment like that. You made me all mellow.
I look at different faces a lot, but rarely practice drawing them, so you make a good point.

>>1700371
I hope you do practice drawing more, in the end it'll save you a lot of emotional energy and time

>>1700377
I do, when it comes to living organisms like humans, I practice drawing about five-six times more than I practice painting.

trying to create a character. I'm pretty happy with the black haired fellow. What do you think, is it interesting at least?

>>1700389

Some context/backstory would help (if you have it) but the black haired one looks good, and the one immediately to the left. I like the long white hair and the long horns, but I think both designs are neat.

>>1700389
im interest in the top left. hopefully you can turn into some sort of mount or pet?

>>1700422
damn when did satsuki get ripped

I'm stalin'

>>1700460
which are too long.

>>1700276
Oh wow, Mongolian thumb shooting.

Into the ref folder it goes.

hey im trying to make a scene what do you guys think is the best comp between these two.
if both suck suggest what to change etc ty
>>1700488
nice hues and strokes, I think nose looks a bit too flat and the upper lip too hard , eyes may be a bit too far apart, IMO ofc

Something i painted, meh.

>>1700488
nice, she doesnt have a nose tho

>>1700488
are you doing a study of tehmehs study?

>>1700348
added more blocking and blended it a bit

study

>>1700526
You're right about them all, I'll try fix it, thanks!
>>1700615
Yeah I did not do a good job on that
>>1700616
Actually I was just looking at his study and instead of trying to copy his study I tried to do apply it to a different drawing I done. Kind of a like a study/piece drawing.

progress

i bet this will get me some comissions on deviantort

>>1700631

i would srsly pay you to draw porn for me.

>>1700631
u-uh sir, Jinx's eye are a pink

Anyone else using a TV as a monitor ?
> Using 32" LG TV.

I think it's the biggest flaw for my drawing since I can't deal with the scales properly, don't you think ?

Self-portrait I'm doing for my Godmother.
I have no fucking clue what to do for the hair or the background, though. It's been driving me mad all day.

>>1700648
That's awesome. The lightning values are there, the scales look good. Only thing would be the eyebrows; You should retexture them.

>>1700648
what are you going to do print it out? lol

>>1700652

I haven't even started on the eyebrows yet. Those are placeholders for when I decide do them properly.
Glad you like the rest of it though.

>>1700653

I'm going to e-mail it to her.

>>1700656
lol

>>1700690
lmao

>>1700648
it looks good, but i suggest you work a little more with the irises and pupils- this is a good place to take some artistic liberties and make them look more towards you instead of out into space.

>>1700648
>>1700652
>>1700653
>>1700654
>>1700656
>>1700690
>>1700694
>>1700696
stop samefagging, it just sucks

>>1700700
i detect some samefagging, and narcissistic sociopathy.

>>1700647
sooo sit back, scale to fit screen and zoom out?

>>1700639
the fact that you know that and uttered that autistic correction out, would make me lose all respect for you instantly, even if you painted like scholes.

>>1700696

shit, that's a good point.
Thanks for bringing it up.

what rendering style is more appealing to you? My first time doing man study in digital paiting (pencil artist and cartoonist tho, so im not newbie in art, just the media) and i dont really know

>>1700700

you might want to include your own post on that list there, champ.

While you're at it, /v/'s that way.

>>1700713
I personally like the left because it's sharper.
It's tough figuring out your own style and it's tempting to just go with what other people like, if that's what you're confused about, anon. Just think about which you have more fun doing.

>>1700717
Thank you!

yeah im still figuring my style especially with paiting since im new into it. I would go with the first one if noone responds so im guessing i was right. Second gived me that quick high-detailed-polished-almost-3D-look-paiting feeling and i was curious if its appealing

>>1700330
>I keep making the same mistakes: back of skull too big, distance cheek-ear too big, ...
Take your time with the initial construct and placement of landmarks then. Double and triple check that everything is in the right place before the drawing itself actually begins. Once you have the drawing, check again that everything is in the right place, then slowly begin the painting while trying to recover the drawing. If you take it slow and stick to your measurements and construction once they're correct, you shouldn't have any proportional problems.

Update.
After adding the hair I realized there was a fuckload wrong with the face, so I went back and changed it.

How much do you guys draw each day?

>>1700757

That's really nice, man. I like the hair being kind of flat like that. Would be a shame to put depth and detail into the hair.

>>1700757
would fuck/10

>>1700769
I used to only draw once a week for 4 hours straight, but lately I'm drawing every day for a time that can go from ten minutes to two hours.

>>1700757
>>1700771
>>1700776
seriously dude, its okay if you want to post but please stop samefagging, its cringy

>>1700786

Maybe I'm just better than you :-)

How long is the construction phase supposed to last? This took me longer than I care to admit.

sorry for shitty quality but any constructive feedback would nice and appreciated

>>1700808

it takes as long as it takes. the better you get at it, the faster you'll get, but you can't really put a time on how long it will take to finish something without making very broad estimates.

>>1700808
What the other anon said. It looks decent so far and it will stay this way if you're going to take your time and fix every mistake you see. It sucks to paint a small piece for three days, but that's how it is. You'll get faster with time.

>>1700526
totally changed the scene
I like it even tho its messy and not properly rendered, it may be the first painting i like and have actually finished

Same guy who's posted boxing drawings every thread for the last few days.

Opinions on this one? I kinda messed up the face but it's too late to change that now...

>>1700829
install loomis

>>1700823
nice

>>1700823
I like this messiness. What I don't like too much are the colors. It's a wip I guess, so you're going to change some things, but I think the palette is very boring.

The floor/rocks are all the same colors, only a bit darker here and lighter there. Put some variety into it, some reflected light, grass, different colored rocks etc. Same with the creature. It's very... purple.

Its color and the background colors are not very harmonious, make them melt together better. also, more values to the background.

>>1700823
That's lovely.

>>1700801
I'm not him, but lol @ talking shit when you yourself are terrible.

Come on bro. Grow up.

>>1700801
>>1700840

If you guys want to shitpost then go do it on another board.

Taking a break now, was trying to get skin colours working, but...

>>1700851
That looks like a very manly face.

>>1700861
Mmh. Not sure why that is.
Pose is weird too, isn't it? Gonna scratch it.

>>1700851
the weight bearing knee would be a little further back and smaller in perspective

Vehicles are hard mkay

>>1700867
I meant to say leg.

>>1700865
it's not bad you just need to figure out the stance.

>>1700868
use the background to frame up the shape of the bike

>>1700631
post ur deviontort plox

>>1700829
I vill be le biggest potatoe of the chinese france box.

>>1700757
best drawing in the thread, pack it in tehmeh, you are done here.

>>1700757
what shampoo do you use to help you draw so good anon?

I have a serious problem with proportions they are ALWAYS fucked up in my drawings and it's making impossible to improve. I'm desesperate, what the best exercise to fix it? I'll practice whatever is necessary to make it better.

progress update. going to call it a day and think about the BG when it isn't the middle f the night.
Left the jumper faded and simple so it didn't distract any attention away from the face.

>>1700885

Head and Shoulders or Loreal Elvive anti-dandruff. These luscious lock demand only the best.

>>1700888
post something you're not happy with

>>1700892

>>1700888
If your proportions are off, then your initial construction was off. Take your time in that step. If you're working from a reference, use visual measuring techniques to find and place your landmarks before the construction begins. The more time spent in the preparatory stages, the better the outcome.

Link somewhat related (demonstrates some visual measuring techniques):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

>>1700901
Thanks. And wow, I think it's at least a little easier. I hope this helps me

Sort of fucking around before I dedicate myself to something serious.

Sometimes it's fun to set layer to some sort of a crazy blending mode and let it figure it color and blending by itself.

3 minute charcoal drawing i did, critique?

>>1700931
It looks flat and it looks like you just drew what you think an eye looks like without actually looking at any eyes. You should study from references or take a while to look at eyes and note all their parts. Why are there lashes only on the top and not the bottom? Where's the lacrimal caruncle?

You should be doing gestures in the time frame you listed, not close up sketches of some fine detail of the body.

>>1700931
it doesn't mean anything

it doesn't show us how good you are

it doesn't teach you anything

it's useless other than to just say you did it. spend more time on something and we can help you.

>>1700631
Neck looks pretty weird in this one. Dig the face though, nice rendering. Blog/DA?

Portrait request of a user from a forum I visit. I'm kind of thrilled because I'm usually very slow but this took me around 2 hours

>>1700210
Started rendering

Need [construction?] help with the top left girl...

>>1700960
top right, I mean.

>>1700960

You've got the basic proportions right, but you're not thinking three-dimensionally - you've got the neck leading out the bottom of the ear rather than the back of the head for instance.

Hopefully someone can provide more insight, the underside of the chin connecting to the front of the neck is a bastard to learn and I still struggle with it every now and then.

i drew this one but i think the scene is not that interesting dunno if i should try and paint it, it looks difficult as fuck , what do you guys think?

>>1700836
>>1700838
thank you!
>>1700837
thank you, i will try to make it more harmonious and less boring but given im really bad at painting it might end up worse lol
>>1700941
fug i wanna do a portrait but i got bored of painting my features and i wanna do it from life zz

>>1700967
You learn from your mistakes, and from confronting things you find hard. If it's difficult as fuck, go for it, that's a whole lotta learnin. Plus the sketch looks cool, I'd like to see it painted.

>>1700967

I'd try to stick with a small colour palette for this. You don't want to fall into the trap of overdoing the detail.

>>1700964
I am trying very hard to think 3D (drawing through the form, mapping planes, ...), just failing miserably at it...

>>1700117
Drawn from imagination. The composition is from Angelica Kaufman's "Venus Induces Helen".

>>1701019
That kid has the face of an old man

i think this is the best thing ive drawn compared to other drawings

critique pls

I'm not working on a piece so redirect me if this doesn't fit here. I'm practicing composition, one element at a time.

Any advice?
I've read Framed Ink though I didn't learn much, it was a cool read.

>>1701072
Study anatomy, and try to learn not to symbol draw.

>>1701075
whats symbol draw ?

>>1701076
Not drawing an eye, but what you've been conditioned looks like an eye or represents an eye. For example, if you wanted to draw a sun, instead of just drawing a circle with spikes around it, the well known symbol for a sun, you look at and study a sun, then simply or characterize it.

>>1701080
thanks for the advice

>>1701076
Something made up by talent-less wannabe artists.

>>1701076

Hm, the best way to describe symbol drawing would be when you look at kids artwork. When a person has eyes, they don't think "sphere" instead they they think of a flat circle shape, or as they grow out of being kids, a flat football shape. Symbol drawing is how most people draw before learning about things like perspective in more in depth ways. For example, in your drawing you made her left eye smaller because it was farther away, this is the most basic type of perspective and the first kind that we learn about and know how to use (big things are close! small things are far away!), but you might also notice that it doesn't exactly wrap around her face like it should, this is because you know an eye as a 2d shape (like one of a flat football) as opposed to thinking it as a 3d one (like one of a sphere). You "know" what an eye is supposed to look like, but it holds no depth because it's just a flat shape! The world around us is not! We have depth! We know a can is "supposed" to look like a rectangle, but in all actuality, it's a cylinder! Symbol drawing is the problem of taking objects and drawing them how we think they're "supposed" to be drawn.

>>1700954

>>1701080
>>1701088
Is it possible that since you can't explain that word simply, you either don't understand well, or it's total bullshit? I've seen a post on /ic/ that wasn't stepping on its own toes, or saying that it's kinda hard to explain but a picture can explain it better--which is deflationary to the whole explanation.

>>1701094
*never seen

>>1701094
It's actually a really simple concept. It isn't total bullshit but you're right probably right in that if someone needs a wall of text to explain it they most likely don't understand it themselves.

>>1701094
Not him, symbol drawing is drawing what you think you see or what you think something looks like, instead of the actual shapes and forms of the subject you are want to draw.

It's a real thing and many beginners have a sudden moment where it 'clicks' for them.
The commonly used example is indeed the eye,
it has little to do with 2D versus 3D however. A lot of artist are perfectly able to make photorealistic copies of something, while they have poor understanding of forms in 3D space.
It's more "eye = circle with dot inside" while the eye you are seeing in a particular reference might consist of completely different shapes.
When it comes to hair, symbol drawing results in "spaghetti hair" where every strand is drawn separately, while real hair consist of group masses.

>>1701094
I don't know what you want, but symbol drawing is a real thing. No one can understand form perfectly when they first start drawing, so they fill the hole of knowledge with symbols -- what they 'think' is there. Pic related - The eyes are just circles with dots. We all know that eyes don't "actually" look like that; it's a SYMBOL for an eye.

uhhhhh 10 mins?

>>1701102
spend more time on a single piece (at least an hour) then we'll talk.

speed should be of no concern to you.

>>1701101
I'm >>1701100
Found a few examples in this thread.
>>1700196
His apple is way too saturated red, from the notion that apples are either green or red.
You often see people making grass way too saturated green too.
>>1700829
>>1700931
>>1701072
Well, eyes. Here examples of almond shapes with two circle shapes inside.
>>1701072 has a surprisingly good boob and legs compared to the arm and face btw wwww

I hate to be a /r/ level poorfag, but does anyone have the Frenden ink and pencil brushes for photoshop, and the manga studio 5 brush pack? I'd really, really love to have them, but I can't pay for them just yet.

Done in the sketchbook over the past few days.

sketch I did in ecology class. opinions?

>>1701117
Will you fuck up if you try to draw the other eye?

>>1701118
probably not, I just didn't have time to finish

Been working on this for a while, finally done. Oil painting is tough.

Nuts. Figure on the right still isn't getting across the volumes I want, it still looks flat.

Finished this piece up today. Comments? Critiques? I wish I had hinted at his hand behind his knee, just noticed.

>>1701133
You also would have needed to hint at his left wrist+palm, his left knee/thigh, and toes (I would have liked that, any way)

>>1701134
Agreed, it's pretty lazy. The hand is such a fantastic compositional tool, why would you ignore it?

>>1701095
>>1701098
>>1701100
>>1701101
You people are just playing semantics. If so much of it relys on the cognitive processes you can't really point something after the fact and say its symbol drawing. You're just changing the interpretation after it has already been made. You're really saying a graphic representation didn't suite your expectation. This symbol drawing thing is bullshit term to blanket a lot stuff about a drawing you can't articulate because you don't know how. Admit it, if something is not shaded, porpotioned, and delineated in a manner that appeases you it's symbol drawing.

>>1701134
You're a lifesaver, thank you.
>>1701137
>>1701137
Not really laziness, but forgetfulness, just like the left leg and wrist. This was part of series of 5 companion pieces all due at 8:30 tomorrow morning, so today's been pretty hectic. I think i fixed it a bit

>>1701143
It's not 4chan without our daily dose of autism.

>>1701148
Looks much better. Although, when I said hint at a wrist, you should have his forearm taper more. It just goes from forearm to hand, not forearm to wrist to hand. But that's more nitpicking.

>>1701148
This is good and simple, I like simple. You're definitely telling a story with it that's easy to read as well.

practicing drawing from imagination,
can someone please maybe redline it?

>>1701199
You need to think more about weight - which parts of the body are load baring, and to what degree? Consider were the viewer's eye level is so that you can draw that box and the figure correctly in perspective. Also don't skip out on drawing the feet.

>>1701202
changed it somewhat but i dont know if it impoved

>>1700394
>>1700406
Well, I was thinking of a demon either seeking redemption or being banished from hell, and in the process losing much of his older powers (something like he was shamed and had his horns sawed off and wings ripped off, and when on the earthly plane his is sickly and gaunt). I was thinking he was a great general in the underlords army of sorts and saw some sort of traumatic event that would push him over the edge to want to stop being 'evil' or he refused to carry out some deed and was banished.

Ive really bee thinking of a re-envisioning of judeo christian 'lore'. like he was trained by some very powerful demon lord and after his banishment he would need to defeat them in order to move on. still in very baby stages but ive always wanted to do something revolving around this.

That bird thing was just a doodle but damn, now im getting all kinds of mount ideas... like A GIANT FUCKING BAD HOW BADASS.

anyway heres some more sketches from earlier today in a book i hand made in class

>>1701290
*giant bat, sorry

>>1701133
Very nice colors. Are you that comic guy, kukez?

I made an attempt at oil paint and a portrait for the first time. Not done much with any sort of paint earlier either.

I expected oil to be much more difficult to control, but I ended up loving it.

Used a photo as reference obviously.

Now I got something to hang on my wall that I'm proud of.

>>1701344

Very nice for not having much experience in the medium.

>>1701344
mon capitan

>>1701351
Thanks!

It definitely boosted my confidence in making paintings. Wish I could handle my drawing table the same so I don't get poor doing tons of paintings.

>>1701355
I should do one of Q, place it on the opposite wall..!

Life study for my community college art class.
Is it ok?
1/2

Deer
Is there anything I should work on?
2/2

>>1701458
You could try adding some texture

>>1700143
>>1700150
>>1700169
Good advice, I think most of the issues are solved and I'm almost happy with it, anything else before I start rendering?

why the fuck do i want to make every single creature i draw to have glowy eyes?

>>1701504
because glowy eyes are AWESOME.

I guess it's a simple way to create an eye-catching detail.

>>1700813
>>1700821
Thanks anons. I guess patience is something I lack badly, so hopefully this will teach me a little about it.

>>1701508

Finally finished the painting and down-scaled it to a more reasonable size.

Now that I've done something serious I can get back to drawing silly shit that has no artistic merit whatsoever without feeling bad about myself!

believe in yourself, true believer

>>1701515
now email it to your granny lmao

>>1701515
very good, would buy/10

>>1701520
>>1701522
>>1701515
You make me unhappy.

am I beautiful /ic/?

>>1701532
no

I could really use some advice/red line on this. Should I move the hand or change its size? Also, what about her shoulder/neck and such? I am using multiple references so its been a bit difficult. I'm still painting in black and white so this is a pretty crude mock up and I was just messing with to test colours and took it a bit too far... Thanks in advance!

Needs alot of tweaking to the pose

Anyways I'll see if it ends up eating into my weekend

First time trying digital
I only ever dabbled with pencils prior
How did I do?

Also I hate the hair but I can't place my finger on what's wrong

>>1701544
this is going really well! i like the look of it and the shading is light and fresh. I suggest not redoing the hand, but instead focusing on the width of the fingers. Also, the eyes lack consistency in shape and the nose bridge should be a bit smoother.
also, i redlined the neck- i hope this helps!

>>1701564
people staring with digital for the first time face this problem a lot- it's usually easier to start with a solid color with a flatter brush and work in the detail later on. also, go for less opaque brushes.

How do I become cellar-fcp

>>1701572
But it looked so unrefined and well, horrible
Only once I got the rendering smooth out with some softer brushes was it halfway decent

>>1701585
it's still very muddy. don't shade with black. Use a more saturated darker value of the base hue. For extra credit, work different hues into the shadows.

>>1701526

Not the guy who posted the art, but jesus christ stop talking to yourself. You're an even bigger samefag than that other guy.

>>1701593
weird how the samefag is always commenting on that shitty drawing isnt it?

>>1701504
update

>>1700868
Update

>>1701605
Also.. This happened..

>>1701510

Referenced gestures...
Am I still too obsessed by contour, failing to see the "flow"?

>>1701608

Is that one of them shaft driven motorcycles, anon?

>>1701615
Looks cool.

>>1701631
It's coming along nicely. Do you mind posting the ref?

>>1701571
Thank you for the help! I tried to address as much as I could. Fixed the left eye a bit so hopefully it looks better (not sure if I succeeded...). Did a little to the hand too and yeah, they should be a little thinner have have more form.

Still not 100% satisfied with it, so if anyone else has any input I will do my best to improve~

>>1701649
This is why I want to become better at digital, the Liquify tool.

My 23 cents.

>>1701656

Need help with the legs, to fix his lordosis and feminine walk. Already redrew them a couple of times...

My gestures are lame. And I have to take one minute rather than 30 seconds to have enough time to get the whole figure. That must mean I'm doing it wrong, right?

I'm not sure what the right approach to this is. I pretty much just make a very basic construction of the figure and then try to make the lines imply as much depth and motion as possible. But they look terrible.

>>1701117

Why hello fellow dutchfag. Also I dunno what to say, a doodle is a doodle. Draw and entire head now.

>>1701636
I honestly have no Idea what kind of bike it is... I just drew it because I thought it looked sexyasfugg.

If you're a Motorcycle connaisseur, maybe yo can tell from the reference pic, here you go.

>>1701659
You're not doing it wrong, you're just drawng a lot of detail (like indicatingall the joints) that you would'nt do below a minute.

Try a few gestures with a thick brush and long lines connecting the head and the weight bearing foot, this is a method you can use for very quick gestures (10 to 30 sec).

You got quite some proportion issues, but I think that will fix itself if you keep doing quick gestures daily.

>>1701669
all right. thank you very much

Hey /ic/, so I've been trying to get down anatomy, and although I've been at it rigorously I keep fucking it up. When I draw from reference it seems to go okay but trying to draw anatomy from imagination it always turns out so angular and blocky. Like I try to get down some lines for the form but I almost always fuck up where the arm attaches to the body (armpitandshoulder) and the waist leading into the thigh. It just always looks soo unnatural to me. so now that I've bitched, I want to ask for some help, what anatomy studies worked for you guys? I just started reading through Bridgeman and I also picked up some Sheppard which has been helping better than Bridgeman. Any help would be appreciated because I feel stuck.

>>1701687
Anatomy is not something you learn overnight, it takes years of practice to get decent anatomy, just keep that in mind so you don't beat yourself up over not getting it.

I honestly have found that there isn't really any wrong way to go about it, as long as you draw from reference and study the body once in a while you should be steadily improving, just like you would with other fundamental skills.

If anyone can find anatomy mistakes...

I'm doubting between light figure on a dark background or dark figure on a light background.
Probably gonna do the first, then I can put doomspelling storm clouds behind him. ^^

>>1701641

Opinions?
It's a very raw draft of a style I'm working on. The character is Venom.
Pls be kind

>>1701761
I think you need to be drawing simple objects from life. Gesture studies too. Keep drawing badass stuff to best of your abilities but bro, you need to crack down on the fundamentals at this point.

Sorry if unrelated but I didn't wanna make a new thread for this simple question, but how do I fix these angular strokes in photoshop? I just upgraded to CS6 and it started doing this.

Photoshop CS6 - wacom bamboo fun.

>>1701886

In return here are some doodles I did in CS4

>>1701888

Oops I meant SAI.

I'll shut up now

>>1701888
I love those dragon things

>>1701886
Try changing up your soft-firm setting on your tablet.

>>1701886
you don't, they'll be there forever.

H-hey guys I drew this yesterday... I took some art classes in high school but i've never been very good. I've been practicing but i'm still working on it.

btw his hand and feet are supposed to be a bit wonky, I imagined him as having 3 poseable fingers that can swivel at the base

Suggestions?

>>1701892

Naw that did nothing.

>>1701893

It's really the only thing stopping me from drawing right now so I really hope not

>>1701899
I'm fairly sure there has been a couple of threads about this already and people had a fix.

I personally don't notice it at all so I don't bother to fix it.

>>1701888
I dig the doodles man. Not sure about your problem but it doesn't seem significant enough to bother with. Unless its actually lagging for a split second when it does it. Try downgrading? CS6 is kinda bloated compared to 4 I think. Not much new to justify the additional resources it requires.

Rounded things are often stronger if drawn with angles anyway.

I made an art as well.

very new drawer here, my tablet came in today and I drew this. >>1701710

I suck with a tablet, i'm using sketchbook pro because photoshop is confusing.

>>1701914
also this shit. Trying to develop a style by using robotic looking characters. I am awful with realism. Art in general actually.

>>1701904
>>1701906

It's seriously way too annoying to just leave as it's messing up my drawings and is quite noticeable. What is this fix? I've tried googling but nothing comes up about the issue- it's all about vectoring and shit like that.

Trying to focus less on anatomy. How are these gestures so far?

>>1701248
Alright. So given the angle the leg is at, it looks like it's digging into the edge of that block. We should see some deformation on his thigh and buttox if they're bearing any weight. If you're having trouble seeing this, then draw the same pose from different vantage points. Side view, maybe even top and back views.

That's also a pretty uncomfortable position. Try it out yourself in front of a mirror. I'd give the block more depth and let the thigh and butt plant firmly on it to bear the most weight. This would also elevate the knees somewhat.

In short, be mindful of weight distribution, and try out poses yourself to see what's comfortable. If you have a camera or a large mirror, you can even get references to use.

>>1701886
It's a driver issue. Here's the thorough solution:

1) Uninstall the wacom drivers. Delete wacom setting preferences too (there's a utility that does this).

2) Go into the device manager and uninstall+delete any mentioning of a tablet (usually under Human Interface Devices).

3) Restart PC

4) Download the newest drivers from Wacom

5) Install newest driver

6) Restart PC

7) Test it out. If it still acts funny, repeat steps 1-6 again. If it still doesn't work, try using a different driver. If you google the problem you'll find people mentioning different drivers that worked for them. The newest driver straight from Wacom is ideal though.

_________
Now let's say you've done all that and you got your tablet working. A few months down the line the problem reoccurs. Instead of going through all those steps, try this first:

1) Close Photoshop

2) Run services.msc as an administrator

3) Stop the WacomISD service and wait a few moments.

4) Start the WacomISD service and wait a few moments.

5) Launch photoshop and test.

>>1701920
the kicking movements at the top look a bit awkward to me but probably only because I'm a martial arts buff.

In turning kicks like that the head turns first, then the body, then the leg.

>>1701930
Huh, thanks. I never knew that. I'll keep that in mind.

I was going off of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFeCkYVz2oc @ 1:37.

>>1701920
Maybe a little too scribbly, try getting the gesture down with as few strokes as possible.

A good way to give the figure lots of life and energy is to draw fast, it helps a lot.

>>1701934
But I'll need to slow down to think about which strokes and to put down and how. Weight is so hard to nail...

>tfw working in 300 dpi, so crisp and delicious
>tfw you cant see the full image because you're working in 300 dpi
>tfw your goddamn tablet only has 265 levels D: <

little sketches

>>1701932
ahh I see, he turns differently to keep his momentum flowing. The mechanics of a single kick are a bit different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsz3B73LnvQ&list=PL3B4FCC98AAAF3182&index=32

you see that he stops he body facing the opponent. The idea being that you want to show your back as little as possible.

Kwonkicker has a lot of videos showing kicks and strikes step by step as well as some cinematic stuff.

>>1701938
cuuuute <3
I love little cat ninjas

>>1701939
Resize your images in the future. The starting post requests a max of 1500px across or vertically.

The head looks a bit small. The facial features are also a bit small and poorly realized. You've also given her two right eyes - hide everything except for left eye (our right) if you don't see it.

>>1701949
oh yeah crap I forgot, sorry.
thanks, i'll go on and fix that

>>1701589
Thank you for the suggestion
I'm new to rendering with colours, what do you mean by working with different hues for shadow?
Is that a temperature thing?

>>1701615
IT'S A SKULL DUDE WOAH

So it has come to my attention that /ic/ is finally dead now.

Long gone are the days of self-moderation - personally I am a fan of hide shit you don't like - but we now have some asshole whose job it is to dictate what is acceptable and what is not. /ic/ was one of the last remaining bastions of freedom on 4chan but sadly that is no longer the case.

/ic/ has basically become DA and I can't wait till everyone is coddling the shit out of each other and honest critique has become a thing of the past. Seriously who appointed this faggot to watch over /ic/?

It's official now /ic/ is dead.

Fuck you moot. can't even fix /i/ and now you have you to kill /ic/ too.

>>1701938
nice

>>1702016
the fuck are you talking about`?

>>1702016
it's over anon, at least we'll have IRC

>>1702036
been on ic for about 3 years now still have never touched irc..

>>1701920
Tried again.

Can someone tell me how to cut this? I want the bottom of the cirle to be part of the inner design and I don't want the rest of the circle. I tried fiddling with pathfinder to no avail.

>>1702051
try magic wand

>>1702052

That don't work.

The object inside is an open path btw.

>>1701938
Catbib, do you even use guidelines for any of your sketches?

>>1702051
If it's vectors, you're better off asking /gd/.

>>1701920
>>1702040
yup thats the idea. People think gestures have to look like glenn keane drawings to work. But you can't go wrong with these studies.

my only suggestion would be to keep them like the first drawing. Comical Motion lines do not express motion in the way a good gesture on it's own does.

>>1702040
saved <3

>>1702035
Think he refers to the mod deleting posts from people who are flaming instead of drawing.
I'm fine with that and it's not new. We got moderating mods since at least a year.

I remember when /ic/ didn;t have mods, that was horrible. Especially Rosacea guy...

>>1701938
Do you just Kim Jung Gi this shit, or is there some construction at play in your sketches?

>>1701666

Sorry, I meant that you forgot to at least hint at the chain, it looks like the rear wheel is just attached to the frame.

Hello, finest denizens of /ic/, and pardon me for interfering.
I have a question I wanted to ask, didn't feel like making a dedicated thread for it.

How does /ic/ feel about tipping. Is it a thing here? Would you welcome such a thing? Whould you despise it?
Some fine folks have developed a tipobot for 4chan that is very convenient to use, there are also a couple of cryptocurrencies that were born right here on 4chan (first on /g/, then had to move to /biz/, because moot).

Once again sorry for your interruption and please have this labrador (not mine, but accept it nonetheless, since it's just a friendly invasion)

>>1701107

Ahahah whoops. When I was working on it I was finding to be too light colored so I started working in brighter reds. I'll keep it in mind for next time.

>>1701553

Looking good please update your progress on it

>>1701635

A lot of them dont really seem weighted to the ground. A lot of them appear to me to be falling or floating

>>1701657

His arms appear to be too short. The tip of the fingers shouldnt end at the crotch but a bit more closer too the mid thigh

>>1701687

I think with your arms dont be afraid to have them actually touch the side of your human. When you relax your arms at your side, they do touch your body. In your drawings they seem to appear positioned awkwardly away from the body with this kind of gap.

Also there are a lot of problems with your picture on the bottom right. I'm assuming you watched the Sycra video on foreshortening which is why you are using the spring thing for the arms. But yours are going big to small where it should actually be the opposite (the subject becoming closer to you) and is small to big. As well as your facial structure is pretty off and the eyes are located way too far up her head.

>>1702098
this loomis picture is pretty bad.

hampton does a way better job at explaining the head and gives you the possibility to work with it as a geometrical object. the way loomis "teaches" you how to draw heads isnt really helpful. he barely explains anything. hampton on the under hand helps you understand the form. loomis heads are just vague lines.

>>1702102
post portraits from imagination, then we'll talk.

>>1702083
very nice.

>>1701896
>2014
>not guarding the black dragon for guaranteed immortality
>ishghgsh

>>1701916

The old CTC combat model has been out of service for several decades. However a rumor persists..... A corrupt AI managing an outer fringe world had its colonists slaughtered. The colony converted to a war factory which would be churning thousands of CTC combat models every day to wage war against man. But that is just a rumor I hear.

>>1702127
what kind of retarded reply is this?

i was just trying to help you. have fun sucking loomis' dick, i guess, plebeian

send help /ic/

I can't seem to improve. I've been listening to podcasts, watching videos, drawing studies, etc etc and i'm still stuck :(

>>1702167
>what kind of retarded reply is this?
That's funny I was thinking the same thing on your previous post.

First of all, I'm a different anon.
Second, nobody needs "help" if you're not prepared to back it up, plenty of people come here, get fed shit posts like yours and then spend an entire year without making any progress, take a hint on how to make an actual proper effort next time you post. As for loomis, he explains everything just fine, it's not the dead guy's fault you're an imbecile.

I'm trying to get my proportions right before i start to paint , i realise that the eyes are perhaps too big , anything else ?

>>1702238
Reference

>>1702193
loomis himself says that fwap is shit.
god, you are retarded.

also samefag more.

Attempting a study of Gui Yuan's work

>>1702246
>loomis himself says that fwap is shit.

I see this parroted a lot, but I've never actually seen any evidence for this.
I've read all of his books, and I don't he mentions it at all.

>>1702338
I don't think*

>>1702238
>>1702240
Proportions don't match up
Pretty good attempt but ultimately inaccurate
Try again anon you can do it

How do I get better at gestures? It's hard for me to 'feel' the pose. do you guys have some tips?

What did I do wrong?

>>1702474
you made it 2mb.

And also abused custom brushes

is someone going to start a new thread?

>>1702238
I'm going for a creppy look , how is it ?

Study of the day, I'm probably going to keep drawing glass things since this one came out pretty bad.

>>1702495
Sorry

bump

>>1702510
we're over bumplimit.

Someone needs to make a new thread.

>>1702513
i thought so I was just checking

>>1702474
can i have orginal reference picture ?

Tried doing bad guy demonish thingies concepts.

Is it normal for your ideas to be lacking in the beginning, or does this indicate a poor visual library?

something ive been working on for several hours.

some critique would be nice.

>>1702972
Critique!

>>1703464
Sorry for the scratchiness, I did this on my phone.

>>1703469
>>1703464
>>1702972
Thread is autosaging, try here >>1702515

>>1700200
Hi! I hope you're still lurking the thread.

Can you tell me what settings you're using in Photoshop? What brushes, flows, etc? I feel like I can never create anything as visually stunning no matter what I try to do.