/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how, does one get better. moving from wannabe to novice lvl?

whats the difference between artist and autist

>>1679651
Stop merely going through the motions and follow the guidance of a good course such as Vilppu's Drawing or Keys To Drawing

>>1679654
weeaboos

how long will it take to train my mouth to hold a paint brush?

>>1679647
I know these kinds of questions tend to have broad answers but when drawing from life and applying perspective to your drawing, how good does your perspective sense have to be for it to be worth your time? I know the idea is to break things down into simpler forms whose perspective you can keep track of, but how do you get a solid foundation of perfectly accurate pers pective when everything in life is so complicated looking? I feel like you'd need to just draw imaginary shapes in perspective first but I also feel you'd learn most naturally from drawing from life.

Why is cartooning disregarded by most of /ic/?
Also why the focus on realism over appeal?

>>1679661
You need to use whatever tools you have at hand to produce what you want to do. Breaking things down to simpler forms is one of the ways to do it, but if you stop yourself at any method, you'll have problems. Forget a bit about that and try another way. The most important thing is to look at things with attention. If you are facing a complicated cityscape, chances are you won't be using perspective lines. Try another way, try drawing building per building, draw the shapes you see as they appear to you. Don't be hesitant to drop the methodic planning, reality always comes first.

I can only draw what i see. Lately i've just been drawing horror movie icons. How do i draw what i'm feeling or something in my mind?

How bad did i do?
I know I missed a few lines here and there (the chair corner for example, and I b.s.'d the handkerchief.
First time drawing since I was a wee lad. Just as frustrating as I remember

>>1679679
All that you draw is, in a way, a reflection of how you feel. Try to move away from images which are already "digested" hundreds of times. We are all surrounded by pictures that evoke others, that evoke others. Movie icons, ads, etc. Look at different things, from unusual backgrounds, old, weird aesthetics. And always practice drawing directly from real life. Your feelings come through your drawing.

>>1679680
>>1679680
Did you draw it upside down?

The Stravinsky by Picasso was done with Picasso upside down, drawing upside down while he looked at Igor on his chair. The drawing has been made famous for didatic purposes, so that people would reproduce this experiment.

The idea in doing so is to forget that what you see is a person, an eye, cloth, etc. Forget the concepts you have of those things and see what is there as lines, angles, volumes, weight and so on. What I see in your drawing is a persistence of the visual symbols we normally have. Evidence for this are the arm as a "tube" without foreshortening, the round head, the eyes closer to the top of the head, the round shoulders, etc. It's natural that you draw it like that, it is engraved in your head and you must unlearn those shapes in order to reproduce things more accurately. Try doing it again upside down, even hide parts of the image if you want, focus on the lines. Or even better, lie on a couch upside down and draw your room, forgetting that it is a room, seeing just shapes. What could also help is to look at the negative spaces, the shapes in between the things.

>>1679688
I did do it upside down j-j

How do I draw shapes and forms? I've sat down for hours trying to draw cubes and everything is all lopsided and quite frankly, shit.

Don't get me started on spheres and cylinders. I feel like this is a crucial issue I can't seem to get past in order to get better.

I guess a better question would be "How do I draw/simulate 3D?".

>>1679689
lol it's okay, don't be sad about it. This resistance is hard to break through, in a way, we never truly break through from it. My point is that, even though you did it upside down, you were still paying attention to "so this is the head... and now the shoulders..." even unconsciously. Try to see things free from judgement and keep practicing. Don't get hung up on one drawing, don't even look at it that much, move on to the next and next. And enjoy yourself while doing so.

>>1679695
>>1679695
Simple one point, two point, three point perspective exercises can get you through that plateau. If you aren't doing them already. Draw the horizon, one point and make things converge from there, there are tons of resources to provide examples. One of the things that I usually see as being troublesome to some people is that they don't know where to start. Say you are drawing a cube facing you on one point perspective, you should start with a square. the squared face that is closer to you and then you "pull" that square towards the point. If you're doing it in two point perspective, start with just the line that is closer to you and pull the cube from it again.

Like with the other anon, the resistance comes from thinking a cube flattened out on the plane should be made of squares, you should notice trapezoid figures in the perspective exercises. In real life, they are "never" squares, it is the combination of forms that provide us with the sensation that each side is equal. The "crucial issue" is that resistance to see things as they appear. It's normal.

cont

>>1679710 cont
Another thing that could help is to paint them flat, at first. For example, draw a lot of cubes and then fill all the right sides with black and up sides with a shade of grey. This should make things easier to see. Then you could progress onto studying proper shadows with value exercises.

Spheres are just circles, no matter where you look them from, it is the shadow that make us see them as spheres. Cylinders on perspective, like the squares, will not be shaped like circles, for a circle in perspective turns to an oval. A good exercise is to make a squared block and then "carve" the cylinder from it.

Be patient.

>>1679709
Wow dude, i thought most people here were douchebags, but you're cool.
Thanks for the perspective btw, I think I'll just try and draw daily and see if I can try and become more consistent and controlled in my drawings and proportions.

>>1679716
No problem. I don't usually come here.

thank you all so much for these answers

>>1679676
I like it. Thanks mate

is this board always this helpful? this seems like the least condescending autistic group of people on this site so far, but Ive only been lurking for an hour or so

This is probably a dumb question, but I'm trying to practice drawing forms and I keep getting distracted and just doodling faces that look like shit.

How do I get focused on learning this? I feel like I was just giving a lot of information without many starting points.

Could someone out there recomend me some tools or small sculptures i can buy ti improve my anatomy a bit?

I feel like either going with an Asaro head, or an anatomy tools skull. but I'm wondering if i should save up and even buy a complete torso. Maybe even a full body to scale. Male or female? Or even a simple Bargue cast? There's a LOT of choices to pick from. I mostly want to improve my life drawing, but if I can also improve my anatomical knowledge in the process, that would be awesome.

Any thoughts?

>>1679680
You're obviously a beginner, but hey we all gotta start somewhere.

Take another look at how the lines relate to one another. For example, notice how his his shoulders and hands line up closer than your work suggests, or how much more space his forehead takes up. This exercise is all about considering spatial relationships and negative space. Don't get discouraged though! Studying what went wrong will allow you to see better.

Just keep practicing.

>>1679732
I think this is more of a matter of discipline than anything else. And by discipline I mean not doing what you immediately want, but working on something you want to do on a longer term. Sometimes we just keep drawing the same things over and over again, for they feel easy and light on our head. I think this is a sign that you are being too critical over what you draw. The too much information is a problem as well, forget about it for a moment and be in the moment of drawing, without trying this or that. I believe the best you can do is to progress from the doodling. itself Do you mindlessly draw these silly little faces? Then pick a big and good piece of paper and a nice pen, then fill the paper with these faces, exactly the ones you keep doing. This kind of thing awakens creativity. Assume what you draw and take it to the next level.

>>1679734
I personally think these things are useless and advise against them. They seem great, but then you'll notice they will just sit on your shelf for nothing. They can do no harm and look nice, of course, but I say this because they are usually expensive as hell. Best thing you can do to learn anatomy is to practice from real life models, or even people on the street. The knowledge you'll get from these statues is not much different from the knowledge you'd get from looking at a regular anatomy book that shows how muscles connect and so on.

Is there a way in Photoshop CS6 to pan and move the canvas/image around just like in Paint Tool Sai?

Watching Scott Robertson stuff so I can improve line work and perspective.

Anything more to just drawing lines over and over again with a focus on using your arm and repetition?

>>1679745
Hold down the space bar.

how to improve line quality?
especially for shading e.g. contour hatching

>>1679734
I would advice against buying some super expensive sculptures but recently there has been this: kickstarter.com/projects/2000644001/the-male-planar-statue

>>1679734

The best way to learn anatomy from sculptures is to sculpt it yourself.

Do I need to paint in gray scale before applying oil paints?

What do I gain from it if I do?

>>1679757
normally you wouldn't. but you can if you want to.

>>1679748
Thanks. It does pan around but as soon as any of the borders of the canvas meet the border of the window the image stops moving.

>>1679764
Hmm, maybe your preferences are set to something weird? I have CS5, so hopefully with CS6 has a better answer?

>>1679762
oh and you gain a painting with more emphasis on tone, rather than vibrant colour.it's a bit like painting in a multiply layer over a black and white painting in photoshop.

and the temperature will effect the painting too, so if you want say a picture with warm light you'd use a cooler black for your underpainting so the shadows match up with the less opaque paint in the light.

For heavy think painting (impressionism right?)

which do you prefer? Impasto gel or Cold Wax

>>1679772
more opaque * :p

>>1679775
Ahhh I see, I'll try it out once...why not

>>1679766
someone with CS6*

What isn't art?

whats the name of that painting of the older man holding another man he killed, sitting on the floor with a terrified look in his eyes. I think i remember it having a red-ish glow as well

can someone please post the reference of this?

i know i have seen it around here a lot but I never bothered saving it.

>>1679833
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:REPIN_Ivan_Terrible%26Ivan.jpg
This one?

Are there any good tutorials for coloring and painting? There aren't any in the sticky.

Is 19 too late to start?
How long and how often should one study and practice to git gud?

>>1679844
There was one, a pretty good one may I add, but I don't remember the link and I don't have the bookmark in this pc.
It was posted here, one of the first images was a painting of a grey cartoony bird listing the various elements to take into consideration when rendering something.
I hope someone posts it.

>>1679847
It's NEVER too late to start, so long as you START right now! Started at 24 here. Doing well, but a part of me wished I didn't fuck around with taking up programming before and just went straight to art.

How long and often? Every opportunity, draw. It starts with 5 minutes a day, then it becomes 10 minutes, 20 minutes... It'll come to a point where it's become a good habit, just like brushing your teeth or taking a shower everyday.

>>1679850

Thanks pal!

>>1679847

At the very minimum I would go for 20 hours a week of hard study if you want to go pro. Treat art like a job.

>>1679847
I'm 19, I came across /ic/ at 18, but I started drawing "seriously" at 16, watching cancer crilley tutorials and such.
I'm not super good, but I'm on my way there, you should stop worrying about age and just fucking start already, craig mullins started at 23 I guess.

>>1679856

Law is that you?

>>1679839
try using google image search...
it's the first result

any good artist here?

>>1679887
tehmeh and lefty

>>1679895
im here hommy and even if im not good in this dimension im good already a legend in another.

>>1679887
No.

>>1679895
Lefty of /toy/?

>>1679850
>It's NEVER too late to start
Oh yeah? Even at past 30?

I've recently seen the Teal redline/tuts and it helped me quite a lot. Does he/she have a tumblr/da?

>>1679907
hahah you don't want to see what he does trust me :)

>>1679887
Teal and Oppaifutalolichickenguy, there are also two other guys, a dude who want's to draw a comic and does some sepia studies, and another who constantly draws space dandy, bretty good IMO, although there were more before.

>>1679906
no, you go into the carrousel at 30, so you're dead.

>>1679869
No but I'd like to see his work, pretty please.
>>1679909
Maybe he does.
http://fanartbox.tumblr.com/

>>1679912
idk why people call him a pedo, he clearly just likes to draw sexy little girls.

>>1679914
Nice try teal.

What is photobashing?

>>1679946
is like collage, but with a computer you can manipulate the source so much you can bash it into whatever shape you want and kinda paint that way, is a quick way to get detail.

How objective are meanings (?) of color?
I've heard some people go on about why they think this and that painting is so great because they used this exact color and how it adds to the message and so on.

>>1679956
it's not objective at all. but that doesn't mean it's a thing. numbers are similarly abstract, 52 doesn't mean any more that 76 out of context, but if they're scores in the superbowl or something they now mean a lot. some numbers have wider meanings, 69, 666, 404 , some might just have some aesthetic appeal, 888 and they relate to each other 100 < 10000 and other concepts $100.00 . same sort of things with colours.

why are symmetrical/centered compositions considered risky/bad?

>>1679967
there's two aspects, rhythm and balance, if something is entirely balanced it's difficult to give it rhythm (like trying to play a song with only one note) and the image comes off lifeless and motionless. on the flip side if there's no balance at all it comes off as chaotic.

if something has rhythm it also has a progression and people know where to look first, second, third etc. if not they don't know where to look , or they'll look at things in a different way than the artist intended and miss the point.

I can take one more art course for my degree and I don't know which to choose; I'm thinking of either painting, color theory, or 3D design.

Painting will come with a look into color theory, but it won't go into as great of detail.

>>1679974
color theory is probably the most useful, painting is probably the most fun, unless you're one of those guys who gets angry because he's not instantly perfect at something. so go with 3d design :p

how can i make standing figure look balance?

>>1679906
You'd be surprised at how many great artists started past their 40s. Grandma Moses is one prime example, starting in her 70s.

But if you already want art, why waste any more time?

>>1679977
if the weight is distributed evenly on either side of the center of gravity then it's balanced. if it's within the base, that is to say between the feet then the person won't fall over.

>>1679766
Thanks, I will check it out. Photoshop makes my 15.4" screen feel extremely insufficient so I really need to get around this.

>>1679839

Hey! I made that study, it's one of the very few things that don't make me feel embarrassed.

Here is the reference:

http://artsy.net/artwork/italian-late-19th-century-a-vanitas

I made a progression gif too, maybe you can find it useful:

http://firez-tbr.tumblr.com/post/67880764656/finished-study-progression-gif

Is it bad if I primarily use another artist's work for reference? For a long time now, I've been basing how I draw off of Mike Mignola, whose work is highly stylized.
I'll refer to actual photographs and what not too, but mostly I try to resemble Mignola at least somewhat.

>>1680203
Better question, when should one develop their style?
And yeah I know 'style' is a buzzword.

>>1680204
it develops naturally, you don't need to do anything, it just pops out on it's own.

What camera should I use to photograph artwork?

I intend on selling prints at some point, so I'll need to upgrade from what I have now. Let's assume I don't want to spend more then 1k

>>1680216
ignorance

>>1680216
>>1680262
he's a bit misleading in that developing a style means you need to do a lot, but he isn't completely ignorant. Nobody has to "try" to develop a style, they will naturally be influenced by art they like and their culture, so a style will be unavoidable, as long as they aren't shamelessly imitating someone in particular.

I got a sanding block like the one Proko uses. I love it. How am I supposed to clean it? I've been using a plastic eraser, but the surface has been feeling less sandy.

>>1680284
under the tap

>>1680335
Just tried it, I think it worked kind of. Do I just leave it around to dry?

>>1680341
wrap it in tin foil and put it in the microwave for 60 seconds

>>1680346
That sounds scary, maybe I'll try it some other time

>>1680341
yep, you can use a sponge to sponge it clean with the tap water too of course.

>>1679647
Is it necessary to learn how to draw the muscles, skulls etc? Also, are all the perspectives, angles Etc in Loomis' Successful Drawing needed for a beginner who wants to draw realism?

Also, how does one get out of animu? I keep drawing the same girly face and hair, but can never draw guys or a full body of animu. Is it possible to get onto realism?

Help greatly appreciated.

>>1680382
no, you don't need to know all that unless you're going to be a pretty serious figurative artist. there are plenty of other easier ways to break down a body when your just using it in a picture as long as you can draw the volume it doesn't really matter if you remember that's the shape is made by the space between the sternocleidomastoid and the sternohyoid or w.e. just as long as you remember to draw it.

really you should learn as you go alone, you might notice that your shoulders in drawings look weird so you see how they're attached to the torso and you fix it.

as for breaking out of anime, drawing from life (or photos) is the main thing to do. and focusing on volume rather than shape. so not drawing a set of simplified eyes, but drawing eye-lids and eyeballs and the shape of the face around them.

How do i know what to study next? and when I study it how do learn it and not just replicate what i see?

I've been wanting to get into art and start flexing my creative side more, I like to work on building things more than drawing, what kind of art would this be considered? Costumes, sculptures, etc. I also would think it would be cool to work with combining elements of light and possibly sound into it. What would be some terms to look up to get some inspo and find communities based around these mediums? I've been looking into VJing but I'm more interested in more physical works.

>>1680394
you should be trying to make works of art. you study what you can't do to make that work of art, then you study what you failed to do when the work is complete or abandoned.

in the end you're studying to make picture n' stuff, so make pictures n' stuff. you don't learn chess by learning each piece in isolation, you play.

>>1680405
a lot of art fits in with that nowadays 'mixed media installation' is probably the right kind of term, if you find some artists you like by searching for that you can backtrace throught the wikioogle to find the specific -isms they might prescribe to.

is it ok to have a "sketch tumblr" or will people get confused and think that it is your portfolio and kinda judge you based on your shitty doodles and sketches that are on that tumblr?

im thinking of deleting my tumblr entirely and making a blogspot to make sure nobody confuses my finished work with my "shitty blog work"

>>1680495
lol just make an anonymous tumblr and try not to crosspost.

already 5 years and still cannot reach pro tier, is it time to give up /ic/?

>>1680509
yes, if you've really been working diligently and correctly for those 5 years you should be pretty good, i'm not sure exactly what pro-tier is but you should be at least an expert. in the uo initiate-novice-journeyman-expert-master scale.

what's the url to that shape generator website thing where it generates something that looks like a face after a while? anons were posting their generated references along with their portraits/sketches. can't find the thread with it, think it 404d

>>1680513
it's seppuku time.

I can't seem to draw the left and the right side of anything, balanced. It's like the proportions and the positioning is always off. I tried drawing lines to help with it. any tips or something to help improve?

should I go with realistic, semi-realistic or anime as my default style?

>>1680553
there's no reason you can't work in multiple styles, and a "default" style will naturally emerge, there is no need to plan it. you should definitely strive for realism to better your understanding, once you know what you're doing you can get loose with it.

When you're doing tonal drawings that have large areas of a dark tone, how to you get it to look even and not scribbled in?

>>1680609
paint bucket tool, no need to thank me just doing mah job.

>>1680611
I mean with graphite yo

guys i know anatomy and perspective, but when it comes to shading i suck., i m using graphite pencil, when i see art studies on net , people are rending such cool stuff with pencil..how to shade and what to use

>>1680617
graphite pencils with a range of hardness, charcoal (vine & compressed/conte crayons), chamois or tortillon

>>1680614
try a chamois cloth.

Is the stabilizer in SAI a crutch?
Is there no stabilization in Photoshop?
Should I have mine set to 0 in SAI?

How do I make a perfect cube in perspective? I'm not sure how to check if the sides are proportional.

>>1680509
Show level and say what you want to do (comics, etc)

>>1680657
>Is the stabilizer in SAI a crutch?
It is if you can't draw smooth lines traditionally.
>Is there no stabilization in Photoshop?
There technically is, but nothing like that found in SAI. AFAIK, it's more so that fast strokes aren't captured as a series of line segments instead of a curve.
>Should I have mine set to 0 in SAI?
Only if you want to improve your coordination when drawing digitally. I'd be more concerned with improving linework traditionally and have that skill set carry over to digital. Seeing as no tablet+program can fully capture the level of coordination and control possible with traditional media, I wouldn't worry too much about having a stabilizer set to 0.

Remember in the end there's no rules, only tools. As long as you're not cheating yourself out of a learning experience, I wouldn't worry about it.

>>1680719

There's some really complex math or something you can do, but everyone just eyeballs it. You can get really really really close if you're good at linear perspective.

What is the best way/tool to use when painting in Manga Studio 5?

I have been using the oil brushes but it seems really cumbersome.

>>1680762
Have you browsed the internet for free videos and explanations on MS5's brush engine, for example watching the tapes on
http://manga.smithmicro.com/tutorials.html
?
As for painting, take this as your springboard:
http://youtu.be/fKFTyO7jduY

>>1680768
Also, when watching tutorial videos on Youtube, do switch to html5 video, since that enables you to speed up the video playback to your processing speed.

>>1680768
>>1680771
That's extremely informative and a lot more than I was expecting back. Thank you, this should help quite a bit.

Does somebody use Art rage?

>>1680776
Since ArtRate Studio 3 got bundled with a lot of smaller Wacoms a few years ago, it's kind of everyone's favourite unused piece of software.
I personally blame this on Potatoshop.
Photoshop is the deviantArt of software: using it makes you gud by thefault.

>>1679651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Krita vs Gimp and why please?

>>1680776
Here.

>>1680796
Tell about for how long you have been using it.
Any quirks and kinks in the software which you would like to see improved?
And, is there something you'd like to see gone?
What hardware setup are you using for interacting with ArtRage?

>>1680801

>Tell about for how long you have been using it.
Since 16 months ago the 3.5 pro version, I don't use it that much these days but I still make some doodles/sketches there. Pic related is quite old but it's probably my favorite art-rage made piece.

>Any quirks and kinks in the software which you would like to see improved?

Watercolors is a lag fest, my machine is an i5 with 6gb of ram isn't big deal but these specs work well with SAI and PS.

I wish there was a way, to remove the textured background or change them to another texture without affecting what you've drawn so far.

I also don't appreciate that the programs always assumes that you want to make a traditional like painting, I had to create my own canvas settings in order to have a pure blank canvas.

>And, is there something you'd like to see gone?

Mmmm... nothing really, from all the programs I've used it is the one with the most intuitive UI/shortcuts/menus.

>>1679764
Try doing it in fullscreen

>>1680850
this works, but then you can't have your reference in the same screen.

As an alternative, zoom the picture so its height is a little bigger than your screen's, then you can move it anywhere.

Is there a way to have a hue and saturation thingy on Krita's color selector?

I can't color for shit. Not even colored pencils. Where can I find a guide for retards? I've been trying watercolors with no success, so something about that would work. Thank you!

>>1680893
using krita and not based > anastasiy s

>>1680903
read Gourney's color and light

I personally found watercolor ideal for quick colored sketches / color planning or planning out colors because of it's transparency and quick use and have a hard time with colore pencils

>>1680904
>anastasiy s
What's this yo

>>1680907
it's actually called magic picker but it's made by anastasiy it's pretty cool. much better than colorous which imo is garbage in comparison.

cost $20 though

>>1680909
Will look into it, but is there no way to have hsl sliders in basic Krita? Also, just beginning, will I regret chosing Krita later? If I'm only doing illustration/comics, will I lose something compared to PS?

>>1680906
I have that book, and it truly is insightful. I undestand everything there, but can't apply it because I don't really know how to mix colors appropiately nor use the right ammount of water/pigment. I keep feeling like there's something really stupid and basic I'm doing wrong.

>>1680911
>Krita
blaeh never mind i some how confused krita with a ps extension is ps called kuler. ignore all my post.

i think yeah using an inferior program "as of right now" might not be worth it learning ps has so many benefits and tricks that you can learn for years.

>>1680912
I guess than the matter is handling the mediums.

>>1680912
man i wish i could explain it to you but that would be super hard without showing you in person.

layout all your colors on a grid like a multiplication chart.

white being 0 and than add each one. all colors that land on white on the vertical access get mixed together. "i think this repeats with yellow?" i don't man been so long now i just mix to find what i need.

>>1680916
Yeah, I know. I'd probably benefit of some classes. I'm taking a drawing course and we'll get to watercolors eventually, but it's been amost a year already and we haven't colored anything so far.

Oh, and I don't think I can do that with my watercolors, since I have the tablet ones and the pigment doesn't come out unless I scrap it with a bit of water. Maybe I should buy a different one? I don't know. At this point I think I should seek some real-life advice rather than asking on the internet.

>>1680906
Just got and don't know shit about painting. Any advice for getting the most out of it?

>>1679728
60% of the time
But >>>/adv/ is the best board

>>1680963

How many of you guys would consider yourselves artistically inclined or naturally talented? If you don't how did you get past that block?

Why is /ic/ getting more "pat-your-ass" friendly and producing more shitty works?

>>1681275

evolution has no direction. but it always benefits the system. and increases cock girth.

ok i made the last two statements up.

personally, i welcome a tiny bit of niceness.

>>1681275
It's not like: it's shit, loomis!
Was much better, sadly.

Still the stylisation aka asspat thread is just sad.

>>1681300
>sad
It's fucking board killing cancer along with that piece of shit janitor

I ink my stuff with india ink and color it with Faber Castell watercolor pencils. They look great, but their pigment sits on top of my inks so I have to color before I ink. Does this happen with alcohol markers? I might switch to them just for the convenience of it. Thanks.

>>1681275
Because tumblrfags and children started setting home in 4chan.

>>1679914
I like his work and I wan't to become as good as him, don't really care about the subject matter, it's fine by me.

how can i learn how to be good at art? i used to have drawing capabilities, then one day i couldnt visualize anymore

Strange question here.
Is there an app where you can upload a file and it will analyze what colors were used?

>>1681275
cuz it's spring break

So I received 50 dollars for my birthday.
Selling my most of my vidya to make it an even 150$

Should I spend it on Art supplies and Life Drawing sessions, a portable convertible slate so I can paint digitally and post online, or continue saving up so I can attend Art Students League for a month?

I'm a poorfag and don't come across cash very often what should it be?

>>1681707
Blow it on drugs and prostitutes. That's what any real artist would do.

I've got a choice between Intous Pen and Intous Pen & Touch. The latter is more expensive but has touch and an eraser on the cap of the pen. Now, how important is the touch and the eraser? Some say they just turn the touch off and that the eraser is useless because you can just bind a button on the pen to the eraser. What do you guys think?

>>1681377
photoshop mosaic filter

>>1681767

advanced intuos painter reporting in. you will never ever ever turn over your stylus pen to use the "eraser" end. absolutely useless. and i cant imagine the "touch" function being even remotely useful or enjoyable. waste of money imo.

also get inuos3 9x12 while you still can. they arent being produced anymore but are by far the best wacom product out there.

i've read of people buying 3 of them via amazon so they have kind of a lifetime supply of intuos3's.

>>1681707
Supplies will have the best longevity depending on what you buy. Books and drafting materials will last your entire life. Sketching pads a few weeks to a few months, and supplies, depending on usage about a month. The slate will be obsolete in 2 years, and you'll probably find it's more convenient to carry a sketchbook instead. You can probably attend uninstructed art student league classes everyday. I believe it's $12 for a 4 hour session. Which is an AMAZING rate. However transportation in a single day in NY can run you 10-20$.

My opinion is to buy some good drafting supplies maybe some props for drawing a still life, and try to find some local life drawing classes. And anon, you'll need a part time job.

Can anyone recommend me better drawing-focused software for OSX?

Windows has lots more great drawing programs. I do currently have Photoshop, but I don't like using it for anything other than painting and making quick graphic design edits.

Any suggestions?

>>1679743
>>1679754
>>1679756

Sorry I'm a bit late on these. thank you for the replies. I would still like to buy a skull or an asaro head. It's always nice to have a skull reference and the asaro head for painting a still life.

And I understand the anatomy thing now. I was closely looking at an anatomy book and I understood a little better. I can now identify shoulder and upper arm muscles by looking at a person. It makes a lot more sense. I don't need a sculpture for that.

>>1679647

can i get banned/reported on /ic/ if i make a thread dedicated to creating /ic/-memes?

bumping with sample pic in a minute

>>1682117
I don't know about banned, but why the fuck would you do that?

>>1682118

procrastinating while procrastinating. instead of drawing, i not only shitpost on /ic/, but create shitcontent too.

i actually thought "fuck it" while compiling the sample image lol. so no worries. im back to drawing now.

I can't into brushes at all, but then again people say you don't need brushes to be good. Is the hard round one all I really need? Are there any good examples of art done purely with hard round brush?

How do you deal with this shit? (picture is NOT mine)

>>1682157
Nerf gun. Alternately, water gun.

>>1682157
spray bottle

>>1682157
>computer
>water
you people are fucking idiots

shake a can filled with some coins

your welcome

>new psd
>new layer
>fill R:127 G:127 B:127
>new layer
>????
How do I fight the empty canvas?

>>1682157
RIG your wacom tablet to give a very minor shock of a bout 9.5 watts to anything that touches it. your cat will learn to fear it.

>>1682157
Quit drawing to pet the kitty

>>1682415
throw random shit into it and draw something stupid.

I'm serious.

>>1681795
Thanks for responding. I guess i'm just gonna skip the touch version, you just saved me some money. I can't afford intuos3 so i'll get the regular Intuos Pen (which apparently is just the new renamed Bamboo that gets recommended all the time, took me a while to figure it out)

What is art though?

>>1679680
You should probably use a better reference

I got a commission for a book cover and the guy says that the piece needs to have a "1:1.5 ratio" and I have no clue what that means. Help?

I'm trying to work on making more cleaner lines, but the drawings always end up looking so lifeless, and I can't really figure out why?

>>1680346
Also works on cats

>>1681360
If all of the girls in that picture were boys in skirts you might be on to something

>>1681711
This.

>>1682157
Take the cat...and PUSH IT somewhere else!

>>1682443
It'd be easier to help you if you posted the drawing in question.

Why do the horizons come out diagonally from the Horizon of the front incline. How do I know which figures are related to which horizon?

>>1682479
>forgot pic

>>1682422
Best advice around here.

For those who switched from bamboo to intuos, was it worth it? Is there a big difference between them?

Why would somebody pay to go to art school? Isn't it thousands of dollars, and could'nt they just spend that instead on art supplies and study themselves. I mean, we all have the internet now don't we?

When somebody tells me they've been to art school, as a reassurance that their work is good, it never is. No graduate of fine art has ever impressed me.

>>1682506

Yes. I upgraded just last Christmas. The intuos picks up so much more and has way better pen pressure sensitivity.

If you can afford it or have someone to buy it for you, go ahead. But the bamboo still does its job if you are struggling with money.

>>1682514
>No graduate of fine art has ever impressed me.
I've been impressed by the work of graduates as well as self-taught artists. You're just being biased at this point. Also some artists want to work outside of digital illustration, and would benefit from the access to metal and stone sculpting, lithography, etc. A degree doesn't mean someone's art is going to be good, but it sure doesn't hurt.

Pic is Agostino Arrivabene, an artist who happens to have a degree. Personally I think his work is far from unimpressive.

>>1682518
Ah yes, you're right man. When I said that sentence of which you quote, I meant, "nobody I ever met" which is, 3 people.

>>1682514
I went to art school for a semester and dropped out.
18k is a lot of fucking money for one semester.

But it was worth it. All the critique and carpet munching you can handle.
The people are comfy as fuck.
I miss it, really I do, but that price tag is a monster... That you may never pay back

>>1682527
I just start thinking of 18k in art supplies instead and shit myself. Critique, I could get through art forums, and I care little for carpet munching.

>>1682516
I have some money saved, just had my doubts, thx.

>>1682431

-> /philosphy/

>>1682518

>far from unimpressive

you mean, way fucking far from not, not being the opposite of impressive.

>>1682415
SEND HELP PLEASE.

>>1682673

just let yourself go. what exactly are you having issues with?

Is it better to do 10 rough drawings totaling 60 minutes, or 1 refined that's 60 minutes?

I've read in a book - Art & Fear that quantity over quality, and also that guy that learned to paint from a thousand of little paintings. What do you think /ic/?

>>1682789

definitely quantity. for every super refined 10 hour painting you did, you better have done 30 hours worth of 45 minute paintings.

>>1682789
3x 5min (you won't get much further in 10 than you would in 5)

1x 45 minute

best of both worlds.

I'm a beginner, having trouble with drawing people from different angles.

Everytime I try, I just end up drawing them from the front.

Any vids to help with this?

>>1682816
See >>1579290

>>1682816
Learn to draw simple shapes (cube, etc) in perspective. 3/4, from below, etc. 2-point perspective is a start.

Then, come back to the human body.
Now, simplify the body as different shapes. Of course it's a bit more complicated than that : head isn't purely round, your arms aren't perfect cylinders...
But for now, start with perspective of simple forms.
By the way, take a look at Proko's video on Youtube.

what universities have good art programs in your country?

>>1682849
NOKA for lil highschoolers
In New Orleans LA

>>1682849
>that feel when only one MFA program in your state

>>1682825
So, basically perspective is what I need to work on? Along with everything else, ofcourse.

>>1683002
Yes. Everything else will come logically to you after that. You'll start drawing very simple forms of people (really, do mannequins first, such simplified stuff. In fact, if you don't already know the term gesture and your drawings are stiff too, check it, Proko explains it too), then when you'll start to feel ok with perspective, you'll ask yourself : why does my drawing still looks like shit? That will be because you don't know human proportions. And after that anatomy. And values. Etc.
By the way, I separate those things but it's not really like you need to know each of those things 100% perfectly before starting to learn another. I don't think there's a real, unique method, you can and will obviously mix the learning of each of those fundamentals. Don't get stuck on one in fact, because you'll never get it perfectly in the beginning. Masters took their whole life learning, etc. So yeah, just try to get the basics.

I'm no pro at all, beginner myself, but I'm starting to understand and apply things more correctly. Hope this helps. (english is not my first language so sorry anything's not quite clear)

Oh and one last tip. Don't give up. Sounds stupid and obvious but it takes a lot of time and practice (fill pages and pages with the same thing you just learned. Don't spend too much time trying polishing it, if you get things right you can do it in fewer lines as possible) for some people to start to get things right.

>>1683023
Thank you so much! and don't worry, I can understand you just fine. :)

Can someone help me make sense of this?

How do I apply the vanishing points on the top?

>>1683034

I think here is explained pretty well:
http://www.marshallart.com/other/shop/videos/synopsis.php

11. Depth Measuring Systems, Part 2

Why are there no more study threads on /ic/?

>>1683085
faggots where too dumb to separate studies and creative work into two different threads.

so now we are back to the 300 posts per day drawthreads.

where do I find references about vehicles, engines, everything moto related.

>>1683110
time to reintergrate imo. if we build it they will come.

How exactly do you "practice" drawing ?
>inb4 loomis
>inb4 just draw a lot

>>1683148
you grind the subject matter in various ways. For example Im studing legs now. I watched some vilppu and drew along then hampton analitical figure drawing and drew those muscles along with video. Now im looking at photos and try to construtct legs useing muscles and gesture. then im doing some from imagination. then I look how other artists draw gestures of legs and copy them. grind grind grind.

>>1683148
You draw things that are away from your comfort zone, for example if you detest symmetry and drawing a face looking at you like I used to then by all means practice.

>>1683127
I would also like to acquire such information

Is it "contè a paris pierre noire" graphite or pastel?

inb4 b& I'm serious.

>>1683148
>how do you "read" the sticky?

Does anyone have Scott Robertson's how to draw book?
Is anyone willing to share it?
Is it worth buying?

I am working on a fairy tale book (The Valiant Little Tailor) for my nephew.
now he's only 1 year old, but I intend to give him this book as a longterm present
still, I am not sure if it's too creepy for a kid. I don't wanna give him a heart attack.
is this drawing too scary for a kid?

>>1683448

It's sort of a waxy charcoal.

>>1683454

worth buying? you fucking bet it is. best book of its kind. get it asap.

>>1683458
Not necessarily. Just be sure to use bright colors. Think about lighting and mood. Check out the kinds of palettes used in cartoons for kids and toddlers.

>>1683469
thanks for the tip, will do

how about this one?

>>1683458
Why that little person in front of giant is wearing a kippa? Is he a jew?

>>1683473
no, it's supposed to be kinda medieval guildlike tailor cap.

>>1683472
Nightmare fuel

Tips on drawing realistic hands properly? It is something that I have had issues with for years and still have yet to get them drawn properly..

>>1683604

read bridgman. Draw a whole sketchbook of hands. Study guys like Honoré Daumier.

Who are the masters I should really study?

>>1683629
Study them all, you can learn something from just about any of them. It's totally subjective who you should pick to study from so just start with what you like or whoever is good at thing you suck at. Study them until you get conquer that weakness then move onto the next weakness.

If I feel like I did bad with a figure should I try to re-do it or just move on to another one.

>>1683656
If its just a random figure with no connections to anything, then do whatever you feel like. if you really spend a lot of time on this figure, then I personally would try to improve it, but if its just a skecth, then it doesnt really matter.

Is there some PDF here that can help me for anatomy? Poorfag here.

Thanks for any help.

>>1683715
Loomis pdfs are free. See sticky.

>>1683715
there's lovely pack of books on cgpeers;
in sticky there's link to Loomis, always related;
>>>/t/586611
>>>/t/545848

where do I find ref picture?

>>1683823
>>1683823
STICKY!
google,
http://us.fotolia.com/ http://www.stockfreeimages.com/
porn
>>>/hr/

>>1683721

the structure of man is awful

>>1683827
back in my days, when I was downloading it, torrents for Gnomon videos were working (they're mentioned in middle of that thread).

>>1683823

who was phone ?

>>1683823
What?

>>1683827
it is pretty bad, but for people that don't know any better i'd say it's at least okay for a start.

Which one is better to start with?

Vilppu or Hampton

>>1683888
better to start .

>>1683890
A thousand times this, stop getting wrapped up in that analysis paralysis of "which is better" and just get to it. You'll study both eventually I'm sure.

>>1682123
Get a hobby
I recommend drawing
Drawing is more fun than wasting time ruining others day

Is there any good free drawing programs? I'm feeling guilty from pirated stuff.

>>1679647

why does tehmeh never update his folio? how can he get consistant work with that old as fuck portfolio that looks amateurish by his current-work-standards?

>>1684135

Mypaint and Krita

>>1684176

because he signed NDA with the most important hollywood studios and he can't show anything in the next 5 years.

I'm doing a crash course in figure drawing and I use charcoal pencils and newsprint for my studies.

This summer I want to dive into perspective drawing, drafting and hard-edged drawing in general but charcoal and newsprint don't seem conductive for clean and precise linework. What tools are ideal for learning these things?

>>1684342
paper and pencil

>>1684345

Yes, obviously, but I would like something more specific.

>>1684135
krita's the only one I can think of
some people have successes with gimp but i've never used it. there's also fire alpaca but it's very limited

How far do vanishing points have to be apart from each other?

I posted this image in a draw thread a while ago, and here they are clearly too close to each other.

Also, how do I know the distance between vanishing points for a new set of vanishing points (for example for the chairs that are out of perspective)? Are there any rules for this?

I can't for the live of me find a tutorial that covers multiple sets of vanishing points.

>>1684354

Read Loomis' "Successful Drawing" for a good breakdown on perspective.

Any good guides for hair?

>>1684346
Paper and pencil.

>>1684361
Look at real life hair and draw it.

>>1684359
I actually checked that among other things before asking ITT.
It doesn't answer those questions.

>>1684369

Well the answer is to use your intuitation to get a rough estimate of the angle, then extrapolating that into the 90 degree angle and finding the vanishing points that way.

>>1684354
there's no rule on how far vanishing point should be, it depends on
1. the object's angle
2. how much distortion you plan to use

with that said there can be infinite vanishing point that can be placed anywhere in a picture the reason people adhere to usually 1~3 pts is to arrange it as simple and readable picture.

>>1684370
>>1684371
Hmm, thanks.
Too bad, I would've really liked some sort of mathematical rule.

HOLY SHIT, /IC/.

I did some fanart for a video game (Catherine) and it got a little wind on tumblr. This user just messaged me to tell me that they were interested in getting that tattooed onto them.

Now, tattooes are sick and all, I am beyond flattered.

But I feel so uneasy. Should I tell him that it may not be a good decision?

I feel like I'm responsible if this doesn't turn out well. And, although yeah I liked the finished product, I think it's kind of lame.

Fuck, /ic/, I be stressing.

>>1684381
is it that one that was posed here a few days ago? that was pretty cool

>>1684381
just give the go signal and watch them burn.

>>1684382
Thanks man. I posted the finished one in the animu thread.

>>1684383
Oh my.

I'm wondering now if this is just some ploy to get a high res image file to print and sell. Should I give him the high res image with a watermark? The tattoo artist has to redraw it anyways in order to apply the image to skin.

>>1684354

1) there isn't a rule, but there are combinations that are common. Think about seeing objects from top. They from 90° angles: 75/15, 60/30, 45/45
2) If they're out of the cone of vision you can add distortion using 3 vanishing points
3) to find the vanishing point of any set of parallel lines use the top view and move one of the lines parallel until it interrsects the station point

>>1684354
for 2-point, the wider the "camera angle" and the bigger the scale, the further they are, and if the object is up close, you can put them within picture frame (according to Vandruff)

>>1679647

anyone of you guys tried this

http://vfxworkshops.com/instructor-yun-ling/

???

thinking of buying it, seems very very cheap and i love the guys work.

>>1684450
>thinking of buying it

>>1684454

haha i looked and searched didnt find it anywhere.

I know most of you here probably frown at pixel "art", but I've been stuck at this for quite a while and could really use some pointers.

How do i draw the shape of the ship correctly without ending up with these awful jaggies? Any other criticism is much appreciated. I've worked so hard on this but it just doesn't turn out that good...

>>1684469
use more line weight

What is a good program with an infinite canvas? Mischief is great, but very limited in that you can't set brushes and it's still slightly buggy.

Also where can I get some good brushes for sai? I'm not too good with it yet.

>>1684477
mypaint has infinite canvas

I read that can import SAI brushes but I never tried:
http://lordofelemental.deviantart.com/art/shameless-Paint-Tool-SAI-MyPaint-Brush-Pack-370633532

>>1684354
I cant handle the retardation

Put a human scale in that

>>1684312

thats bullshit ... and you know it anon.

Can some kind anon help me identify this painting/engraving ?

>>1684482
Just started using mypaint for ubuntu.

Seriously prime shit.

how to use reference when doing a design work? I'm too retarded to use it properly.

>>1685066
>design
You mean like a sign or a poster?
Or is it just a drawing or painting you want to do

>>1684598
>Seriously prime shit.

I hope it's a good thing

does anyone have any pointers on drawing a character who is fat?

ok so i have a couple of question

i consider myself a "noob" in drawing or painting but i do my best!

now to que question :

my routine for drawing is this : look a picture, photo, whatever i like -anime, persons, animals, or whatever- and i do a little draw on my sketchbook for saving for later, then i took any draw and start drawing it again and paiting it with some modification , this could be considered copy?

then, the other question is, i usually draw anime, persons, animals, that i see on internet, and do some OC sometimes, but, how i start to draw more of my mind?

how i create something new ?

the pic is an example of what is in "my mind"
can you give me some advices?

sorry if my questiosn are stupid

Is it much harder to paint with oils? Harder to fix mistakes? I find it intimidating. Should I start with a pencil sketch and paint over that?

>>1685829
It isn't much harder than acrylic, the biggest difference is drying time, plus oil tends to be more toxic. It just depends on your method as to which you'll prefer. There are mediums to slow down the drying time of acrylic and speed up the drying time of oil as well. Fixing mistakes is easy in oil, sometimes you just have to wait a day because the surface will be too wet. I usually start with either a sketch in colored pencil (graphite smears) or in acrylic. Most often I do a sketch of black line work in acrylic, then add an acrylic imprimatura over that, allowing my lines to show through a bit. Also remember that oil over acrylic is fine (though you probably don't want a very heavy acrylic underpainting), but acrylic over oil won't bind properly.

Does anyone know where to find some free books/videos on the envelope method of sketching from life?

>>1685848
www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14264
has the best writing on it.

>>1685873
Thanks!

is it possible for people to just not be able to do realism? I've been trying for about a month straight but it always comes out shit or cartoony.

Wasn't sure if I should make a new thread for this so I'll ask about it in here -
http://www.pencilkings.com/

What does /ic/ think of pencilkings? Is it worth it? I was thinking of paying the 20 usd for a month but my problem with these types of things is I'm very bad at taking time off to actually use them so I'd probably end up just using it for like a week in a month and forgot I had signed up for it, what I'm thinking about doing is choking up the $250.00 and that way I won't have to worry about my time expiring and I can always check the site out when I'm actually in a learning mode more than just forcing myself to check it out due to wanting to use my money's worth . I'm a college student working one day a week , is it worth saving up for ? (I'd also like a rating of how good it is from anyone who used it or maybe a sample of what's inside if possible)

Does anyone know of any great 'how i was, how i am' type images.

And how much time do you spend actually drawing/painting/arting?

>>1685975
Not as good as the sticky

I went to Louvre a few days ago, there was a painting there that I was only able to glance at, so I couldn't see the author or the name of the painting. Basically it was of a man and a women. The women was nude, very pale and looked kind of vampiric and had something tangling between her legs, like a fetus? The man was next to her had a darker skintone than the woman and I think he had a pained expression. The background was pretty dark, I think it was night. It may or may not have been painted by a homosexual Brit. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Is it bad that I don't care about painting at all?

Drawing is something I really enjoy, but I don't feel the urge to start painting.
I like doing gesture drawings, I love using simple shapes to construct shit, I have a huge hard on for drawing things from imagination, I love some tight line work etc. Vilppu/Teal line guy type of shit basically.

I guess I'm more into the animator style approach to drawing, accept I don't really have the incentive to become an animator.
Am I missing some type of joy in my decision to ignore painting?

>>1685998

Why should you feel the urge for painting?

Maybe you want to be an illustrator or a comic book artist.

>>1685998
You can do black and white comics.

>>1685800
First off, read the sticky.

Your routine is okay as a part of drawing, but you should mix it up more. Draw from life, study with books, draw with a time limit, you gotta get out of your comfort zone.

Also, you have to think of your drawings as three dimensional objects. In the image you posted you clearly didn't do that. Life drawing is important for that.

As for creating something new... Just think of something and then try to draw it. Don't be afraid to do multiple sketches or to research or use references.
For example for your image which I presume is an eye on top of some sort of plant, I would try to draw it. Then I'd probably realize I don't know what kind of plant I want it to be, and I'd realize I have no idea what the backside of an eye ball looks like. So I'd go and research that, make a few sketches of every thing that causes problems and then try again.
If you're new to drawing you'll often have to do this: learn to draw specific elements of an image before you can draw the entire thing. Don't be afraid to do that. It takes a lot of time but it is necessary.

How do I into crosshatch

fuck fuck FUCK my coloring (which has always been bad in the first place) has stagnated for years because i suck and don't understand what i should be trying to do differently
all i can do is really ugly shit like this and it's super frustrating

Is this guy using sketchup for his backgrounds? Is it considered cheating if I do the same?

Beginner here. Comfortable with perspective. Trying into value and it's okay, but balls and cubes are kind of boring, so I'm thinking of doing either Vilppu or Loomis's Head and hands (I've worked through fun with a pencil and successful drawing). Which do I do first?