/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Just practice, faggot.

>>1672193
Going neet is suicide unless you have parents to take care of you. Think twice about your decision.

>>1672220
Please elaborate. I have enough savings for over a year, more if I move to a cheaper country.

>>1672235
I doubt moving to a different country is a cheaper option in the long run.

Don't go NEET, you can never come back.

Speaking from experience.

>>1672235

That's not as secure as having someone paying for all your food, supplies, and a roof over your head. There is also bumfare but I think you can only get that in the UK.

If you have savings >>1672235 then why the fuck do you need to go NEET? Just go to an Atelier workshop or class.. Keep your job.

>>1672235
do you have a history of self discipline?
have you worked a structured 9-5 with meaningful deadlines?

can you start freelancing day one in a related/ alternate/field on the side without distracting much from studies?

prior art training? worked in a related field?
do you know the programs?

do you have an SO?

While people like to buy into the narrative of going SCRUB to PRO in 3 years, theres a lot of groundwork and favorable conditions required that allowed it to happen.

>>1672252
If you prod a lot of pros enough you'll learn they're destractible dorks just like you. They just never gave up completely and did at least SOMETHING most days.

can someone explain what neet is?

>>1672418
Not in Education Employment or Training

>>1672238

I went from NEET to a full-time atelier student. But yeah, if you sit around and stagnate, it'll be harder and harder to get out of that rut. Go do something.

The problem with being a NEET is you can't afford to do anything. Social relationships will fall apart. Without those, good luck ever finding a job again with no degree, no resume, no... anything.

>>1672423
>mfw i realize im NEET

>>1672462

why would that be a problem? social relations can be built up and rekindled but its not like for them to fall apart was mandatory in the first place.

just gotta have a fantastic portfolio to make up for the lost time. then take on an internship and convince them you are socially competent and voila.

neet is masterrace. but ofcourse there's people who aren't ment for it.

the problem of being a neet is that you'll get depressed and demotivated. You need social interactions and you need to be around other people (preferably other artists).

>>1672472
you only get depressed if you're a sedentary asshole. A daily exercise routine fixes that. As for the social interaction, it can be held at bay with books, movies, and forums for quite a long time.

>>1672468
That tame?

>>1672472
NO. People who aren't other artists. once the novelty of having an Art Friend =^_^= wears off you'll realise that you hate being around other artists and want to talk about stuff that isn't art and how they're going to make it this year for sure

>>1672471
being a neet destroys your social relationships. I know from experience.
>want to go out and get wasted?
>nahh, im tight on money
>So what do you do? what are you up to these days?
>I'm self-teaching myself to be an artist at the moment
>oh...

>>1672472
>having artists as friends
don't do this.

>>1672482

I think online friends is important for motivation. I remember playing mmos and being a part of running a guild (not being the GMs bitch) with friends was much more fun than playing by yourself.

>>1672485

Same, after a few years people just get sick of trying. All you can really do is either answer the phone and tell them you can't afford to do anything, or ignore their calls.

Eventually you'll do the later, because fuck, who wants to explain "i'm poor" over and over again. When you ignore them, they'll just eventually stop calling.

>>1672486
why not?
Artist friend can provide:
-critique
-useful tips
-friendly competition
-sex if you're lucky

>>1672491
Or you know, be deadbeat autistic manchildren

>>1672491
ima just put it this way, you ever tried playing an mmo with a friend?

One guy blows past to end game, the other guy is fucking around in the starting zone. Eventually end game guy switches servers for a top guild and lowbie quits.

>>1672496

Ha, this happened to me. He would pm me to run him through instances months later after I beat him to max level.

>>1672485
>>1672490
i've fallen into the trap of eventually getting convinced to go out, the regret and shame of a wasted day trickles down into your syki and you hate yourself for it, fuckem all i know they are my friends but they got good jobs and nothing else but booze i have art means more to me than money or getting high, i have to make the sacrifice, lifes to short to just be able to get good at 1 thing, n time fuck time is worth more than a million kilos of green and a thousand litres of dark rum. ...... no more regerts fuck off guys im busy painting!!!
+ must learn to english

>>1672505
>must learn to english
this

>>1672491
>critique
most of the time, it's your friends and family who go easy on you while compete strangers are more honest and open with their opinions
>useful tips
Or you can learn from someone more capable and knowledgeable than your peers who are more likely to be inexperienced as you are
>friendly competition
Someone ends up getting jealous and hating the other which turns to self loathing.
>sex if you're lucky
No

Honestly it's better having non art plebs as friends as they see you as amazing and talented when you really aren't (which is a great ego boost and the delusion helps you keep working to get better).

>>1672505

Besides being able to speak English, I think we're the same person, you and me.

>>1672193

Don't go full NEET.

Algenpfleg was lucky in that he didn't suffer from depression.

I went full NEET to create a video game and I got depressed as fuck and did no work. Now I work doing PHP programming for a charity and my depression has went.

Trust me OP, at least take a part time job. The pressure of full NEET is mind crushing.

The problem is time, if you don't improve in the year you been full NEET you have wasted it

>>1672482
My studio is in an art center that houses 100+ artists and I gotta say having other artists to communicate with is invaluable. Maybe you're at a stage in life where your age group just sucks. Having other artists to discuss technique, art history, show opportunities, collaborations, critiques etc. with is vital.

>>1672562
>what is /ic/ Alex?

>>1672537
>Trust me OP, at least take a part time job. The pressure of full NEET is mind crushing.

this is true. i can confirm this.

>>1672537
>The pressure of full NEET is mind crushing.

Pressure?! What would you know about pressure!?

>>1672592

well i kissed a man once.

>>1672193
"Nothing that results in human progress is achieved with unanimous consent; and those that were enlightened before the others are condemned to pursue that light in spite of others."

>>1672537

I would imagine working a part time job would eventually lead to more depression if you remind yourself that's the kind of job you will be working for the rest of your life if you don't get your butt in gear if what you choose to do in life is art.

If anyone can get away with being a neet then take advantage of it.

>>1672491
Yeah, I had a group of art friends once.

A- extremely skilled, had illustration degree, only drew a few sketches per year, spent the rest of the time neeting around and watching TV.
B- fairly skilled, also had illustration degree, hadn't drawn since graduating 3 years ago, spent every art-specific gathering trying to get us to go do something more fun.
C- below average, actually listened to tutorials and critique but wouldn't practice, too busy playing vidya and partying to draw, had the nerve to talk about 'in the future when he's working in the industry'.
D- below average, most motivated and hard working, desperately wants to make it as an artist, doesn't actually study or listen to suggestions thus hasn't shown any improvement in nearly seven years.

No art meetings stayed art meetings because of the general lack of motivation. They were either too nice to give good critique or too inexperienced to know how to even give critique. The good ones didn't give tips because they thought the worse artists were too much of a lost cause, the worse artists didn't have tips to give because they didn't study. There was no competition because everyone could see their rank and convinced themselves they'd never be at the next person's level and weren't afraid of anyone below them. Also, no sex because the girls were pure virgins saving their purity and the guys were too beta to appeal to them.

>>1672562
You sound like the kind of person I wouldn't like

>>1672655

what a fucking nightmare lmao.

>>1672655
Why do you consider those art friends? They don't seem the least bit serious about art.

>>1672716
Care to elaborate?

Is it worth it /ic/?

>>1672722
Talking to people about stuff like "art history" is just a waste of time anyway. Why not talk about stuff that was that's actually entertaining. Art is something I'd rather just get on with than talk about. If I need to find something out I can find it out by myself online rather than listen to some neckbeards half baked theory. Maybe since you work in a studio you already work as an artist and can be more laid back about the whole thing but I'm not.

If you'll be afraid for having no friends/social/people to talk to, Don't go NEET.
If you'll be fine with that then Don't bother doing shitty jobs.
Some people just feel better when being alone, some just need to talk to people otherwise they get depression

>>1672720
Three of them went to an art magnet high school and all of them either have illustration degrees or claim to be portfolio building to get illustration degrees. You'd think that would mean they were serious. And they did draw all the time back in high school, it only got like this when they graduated and actually had to improve and it wasn't fun anymore.

But in a way it's good to have them around. When I start to slack off, I remind myself that I'm turning into them and work even harder.

appleflinger here. i went more or less full neet for a while and it's doable, but there's a few things to watch out for.

year 1 was real neet but at my parents' house, living off savings and their (already short) money. your relationships with friends and family will suffer. in fact i don't have any friends left from before i really went pro and started having a life again because i had to cut everything off when going neet.

what i did then was enroll in art school for two reasons:
1. move out and into an actual city
2. health insurance, and all the benefits of being a uni student.
now if you're in a country where uni isn't free this might not be an option for you, but for me it was the best choice i could've made at that point. of course i stopped attending lectures after a few weeks because the teachers hated me for being edgy, and i didn't really make friends either because autism, but the social safety net of being a student really let me focus on my artistic progress.

another thing to keep in mind is your health. if you really go full afterburner on your art learnings, your health will suffer. no time to work out and cook healthy (or even gather the knowledge), no money for good food, it's really shit for your body. you shouldn't do it for a minute longer than necessary.

also there is the risk of injury. tendonitis, carpal tunnel or rsi can and will happen if you draw 12 hours every day. if you don't have health insurance, you're fucked.

however, it's really quite doable. if you spend that time working hard and using your brain to really always attack your weaknesses, you will get there. but you have to be aware at all times and very consciously plan out what you're going to do.

>>1672791
On the topic of health, I think that a daily walk and gym 3 times a week would be sufficient to keep you in shape without eating away too much. Apart from the awfully bland taste, having a rice cooker lets you prepare chicken and veggies without spending time - cheap and good for you.

Can I ask what you think of the importance of sleep?

apfelfinger posting

long posting

w-what is going on... /ic/ is evolving!

>>1672807
>apfelfinger posting
Pretty sure that's copy pasta

>>1672807
>appleflinger
>autism

seems legit

>>1672798
Not him, but also NEET here for a few years, not by choice, mind you. Gym is a bit excessive, daily morning walk is great, though I usually jog, walking is good if you're not so fit, or when starting out. Just look up bodyweight exercises to do in the afternoons to workout your body. Especially your wrists.

Sleep is a really big deal. For over a year I was working on about a 27 hour cycle, having been fucked up by working a night shift the year before, going to bed and waking up three hours later each day (roughly). It really fucks with you hard after a while, apparently it can even cause schizophrenia and all kinds of shit. I really let my body go to shit being almost completely sedentary in this period as well. Eventually I started getting anxiety and depression pretty hard. Last few months I've been waking up at 5am every day for my run and trying to maintain a much more structured routine. Feel fine now, good, even.

As for food, Tripe and eggs are good cheap sources of protein. If you don't like spending time cooking, learn to make good soups. They're cheap, healthy and tasty. I have egg drop soup almost daily at brunch, 4 eggs, vegetable soup base, broken up spaghetti for noodles, and just about every spicy thing on my spice rack.

Though I had a a pretty large circle of friends before all this (I started avoiding them about a year before going NEET actually, during which I worked a night shift) Luckily I'm pretty introverted, and spent a tonn of time alone growing up, so the isolation doesn't bother me so much. If I get really lonely I'll just pick up a book and it'll do me just fine. It does kind of suck abandoning people you have history with, but mostly they've moved on with their lives anyways, hanging out with your buddy is kind of weird when a wife comes home, whether you like her or not it's just... weird.

Anyways, I wouldn't recommend it unless you have absolutely no reservations about the idea.

>>1672842

Oh, another big thing I forgot to mention was coffee. Getting no exercise, the only way to keep your mental energy up is coffee, I was drinking over a pot a day.

After a while that really messes with you too. You should only have one a morning. If you feel you need another throughout the day, you're not getting enough exercise.

>>1672842
Oh, another big thing I forgot to mention was coffee. Getting no exercise, the only way to keep your mental energy up is coffee, I was drinking over a pot a day.

After a while that really messes with you too. You should only have one in the morning. If you feel you need another throughout the day, you're not getting enough exercise.

>>1672845
I've been avoiding getting into caffeine because I'm afraid I'd get dependent on it but I could really use some "mental energy" I right about now :/

I do go for a decent run every few days.

>>1672845
Also I like having nice teeth

my general tips

>sleep well, 8-9 hours over night, take a nap if you feel like you need to during the day or simply rest lying down.

>If you need sugar in your system, don't eat any candy, eat dried fruit, dates are excellent

>drink as little coffee as possible, if you need coffee to feel alert it means you don't have enough rest.

>get rest from art world, I perform best if I separate my work from my interests entirely

>>1672848

Coffee isn't that bad at all for teeth unless you're super obsessive about them being as white as can be. Most people with teeth that white are fucking crazy though, no one trusts them.

bet all you chumps aren't even hardcore neet.

>hardcore neet master race reporting in

coffee flows through my veins
i lift regularly and eat a fuckton of protonz (proton fart alert)
personally i don't do any cardio, but jogging every morning for 20 minutes does you alot of good i bet.
i drink coffee with a straw to preserve dental aesthetics
i spend time on /ic/ and watch youtube vids on tv to replenish social "needs"
regular sleeping schedule? for pussies.
carpal tunnel / tendonitis? do your stretches faggot.

i do recommend seeing "anyone" every now and then, else you will go crazy for real.

>>1672849
>8-9 hours over night, take a nap if you feel like you need to during the day

I think you have hypersomnia dude.

lemme add to this, set milestones for yourself, give yourself a carrot on the stick. Do not let days blend into each other, you should be able to look back on the month or even week and done something significant.

if you're doing a portfolio drop, just do it, ONE MORE PIECE isn't going to round it out, do the drop, if you get rejected do it again in six-nine months with all new work, don't spend six-nine months not knowing if you're good enough yet.

Post work, don't hoard anything, just get use to calling things done, don't keep anything precious. No ones going to rip off your magnum opus "IP" unless you're a fully formed artist inspiring others.

recognize when you've made progress, its the only satisfaction you will get until you get paid for jobs.

Some exercises for First Year:

Get a good skull reference (3b scientific skull)
pencil you like (.5 mm bic mechanical) + copy paper
bridgeman + pecks atlas + hampton
copy cover to cover multiple times.

If you can stomach it, watch Acland's Video Atlas of Anatomy
Video anatomy for med students, draw along to what you see.

https://archive.org/details/Aclands.DVD.Atlas..Human.Anatomy.1of6.Upper.Extremity.Divx6.mp3.wogre

force yourself to do a couple of fruit still lives.
bored? sketch hands, use your own.

Please leave a comment and let me know what you think

http://youtu.be/RvUVmD9Sec0

>>1672193
what is it with this new neet acronym bullshit? trying to make it sound like you're "neat" or something with a positive connotation?

In my day we just called your kind lazy, worthless bums.

>>1672894
Is it though? Not just getting an unskilled fulltime job is delaying gratification. It would be so much easier to just be satisfied with it and then have money and 8 hours a day apart from your day job to do fuck all.

>>1672894

back in your day, the sum of your hard work contributed to the slaughter of millions of people and the near destruction of mankind.

In our day, the sum of our hard work contributes to fat fucks getting fatter, and the near destruction of mankind from drowning the fat fuck's shit.

NEETs are the silent protesters. The gatekeepers of morality. They're the only ones who can preserve humanity moving forward.

You should be on your knees old man

>>1672894
In modern days we call them neckbeards

>>1672894
somebody is mad jealous

>>1672731
Art history is important for working artists. You don't study the greats that came before you? It also includes contemporary artists, it's just as important to know who's working today. I've learned about several new artists this way, and when my own work is compared to someone from art history, that allows me to look into that artist and further inform my own work. Knowing the styles and methods of the forerunners is useful, we build on the past. If you don't find any if this relevant to being a working artist then no, we would not be friends.

>>1672931
He just doesn't like talking about it

>>1672934
Yeah, I understood that. But talking about art history is useful and not just pointless jabber, informing ones work rather than distracting from it, which is the point I am making.

>>1672854
if by seeing anyone you mean parents, then sure..

Im in the most famous art school in my country. Some people say its the "best art school" which it is NOT! Teachers tell you there learning values and anatomy is for stupid people an that it's boring me. Telling me mistakes are nice. Happy when people just scratch something around so I am finishing this fucking first year to quit afterward, since it's paid already. Never ever going to apply at an art school in my life.

i went semi-neet for nearly a decade and only just pulled out cuz i'll be fucked if i'm gonna keep procrastinating past 30. don't recommend it but if your mind is set then don't do it for more than a year.

>>1673214

nearly a decade? well did you get good?

who the fuck stays neeting for a decade if he notices he is procrastinating? the only purpose of neeting is to go hardcore arthermitmode.

>>1673186

kinda the same here. and i've been to three art schools, all of which relatively well known, expensive and prestigious.

Can someone explain to me why when I draw from life everything turns out fucking huge like I can't control the scale of it??

I'm in like my first month of learning so I'm brand new but this has just really been bothering me.

>>1673221
your eyes are open too wide, squint and things will be smaller. OR just draw further away from things

>>1673217
procrastination is a side-effect of neeting, bro. i too was ambitious when i was quitting my job i thought i was going to pour in all my free time into art, but it's just an idealistic fallacy we create for ourselves.

>>1673239

well ofcourse, to some extent that's inevitable. we are not machien after all, and any creative endeavour requires to rest the mind every now and then.

but any dedicated & comitted individual who is terrified of failure WILL put 6-8 hours a day into it at least. which is what i have been doing for the past 1.2 years and i'm very happy with the results.

Beginner here, I'm doing some studies on my own hands. I think I'm getting the lines somewhat decent, but I'm having a really hard time with the shading and values. When doing it from black and white photos it's pretty easy, but from life and color it's much harder, because I'm not sure how to present something that's got say, a different skin tone from something that's lightly shadowed. Also, I tend to have areas that are shaded and areas that are not, and everything looks very flat. Any exercises that break this down that I can apply to this or should I just keep doing my hand until I get it right?

>>1673243
think of it less like an exercise in rendering/values/color

pose your hand in dramatic poses, the hand is kind of like a creature it can show emotions like a face.

capture on paper the proportions of the hand go for accuracy, capture the gesture and emotion you're creating do it with line. try and do it quickly.

aside from learning the obvious of how to draw hands, you're trying to learn how to foreshorten complex anatomy, and how to turn organic forms in your mind.

>>1673239

Calling it an idealistic fallacy is a cop-out, a cowards way of justifying why he didn't do it. It's perfectly possible to control yourself if you really want to. You need perseverance and will, you need to learn from past procrastination so as not to repeat the habits.

Man the fuck up.

>>1673250
Okay, thank you.

>>1673239
this. You can have a few really solid months as a NEET and think you're the shit then end up wasting the rest of the year.

>>1673251
>Man the fuck up.

Please post your work.

>>1673262
>>1673260
>>1673251
>>1673250
>>1673243
>baby's furst /ic/

>>1673262
>Please post your work.

You got me there, I don't even have the per-requisite parts.

But seriously, the only thing holding you back is your perception of the thing. If you really think it's too hard to sit down and work for 8 hours or whatever, start introducing structure into your life in small doses. It will help build up your ego until you do have the confidence to believe you can achiever whatever the fuck and the will to see it through.

I realize that sounds sappy as hell, but it's honestly true, that's just how we're wired.

Going from full 24 hrs of laziness to motivating yourself to work 12 hours a day with no one cracking the whip is very difficult to do all at once.

>>1673268
>>1673251
I'm not going to try to prove my point to you, you will experience it yourself should you ever go full NEET "art everyday". good luck, you're going to need it. art is hard work with (almost) no rewards and many mistake passion for feeling of novelty.

Since a lot of the concerns are about isolation... NEET doesn't necessarily mean hikikomori, in my opinion...

You should do SOMETHING related to art everyday, even if it's watching a documentary. But yeah, you can't go go go at something all the time everyday, your need to know when the body needs to relax.

>>1673239
>>1673262
>>1673251

the problem with NEEThood is that motivation and momentum is all on you.
with a school or a system to follow, you at least have a routines, deadlines and schedules to follow.

with being a NEET, you will have to start the fire yourself, every single time, and believe me, it WILL burn out. and you will have to restart your fire, over and over again.
but it is doable as long as you keep good habits going.

>>1672193

you could always just talk to the people who have, there are a few /ic/ greats who've gotten really far in just three years or so, but I always wonder how many other people try it and fail.

from what I know there's tehmeh, appleflinger >>1672791, catbib, who've all improved very quickly and are available to contact. there's also current /ic/ greats who are still in the middle of it but the only one i know is sprias who i feel is definitely a lot more chill about it all.

get some opinions from the actual people before you do something potentially stupid i guess.

>>1673314
>/ic/ greats

lel. they got that way through conceptart.org. They just happen to lurk /ic/ now and then.

>>1673310
All of my this. Guys like appleflinger and Dave got gud in a year or two of hardcore NEETing just because they worked their asses off and stayed motivated for it. Dave wanted to get good really bad, and Apple was scared of having to get a real job. If you can't get yourself motivated or at least determined now, then don't think that by going NEET you'll somehow work hard.

>>1673383

not all of them

>>1672193

anyone remember the "i want to become a self thaught concept artist" thread i made a little more than a year ago?

used pic related as op pic.

it's a shame that "4chan data" or whatever that site is called has gone offline because the thread was stored there and was full of invaluable info that is very relevant to neeting

>>1673385
How good were they when they started and how good did they get?

>>1673406
Not very and super-duper

>>1673408
Encouraging...

I went neet for 2 years. I fucked myself up so much OP, you have no idea. Almost killed myself a few times litteraly. I never been this miserable. I'm saving money now .. I don't know if I'm going back to neet with part time job or going to a school.

>>1673422

why?

it's not like neeting magically makes you want to kill yourself. you are obviously withholding crucial information! you little sneaky faggot.

>>1673422
Did you practice hard or just laze around?

>>1673399
How did the advice work out for you?

>>1673460

fucking fine as fuck man. i am a 100% advocate of the neet lifestyle.

I'm pretty sure if you want to go NEET and still keep the motivation, first you need to be able to do two things:
1.OK with no social life. AT ALL.
2.OK with no entertainment/gaming/browsing web/ chatting, etc.

If you have a goal, a clear one that's superb enough to bypass those, NEET will be no problem

Remember, NEET is just a life to facilitate 10k hrs rule.

>>1673491
If you literally worked for 12 hours a day, which is crazy, you would still have 4 hours left over to waste time

>>1673491
In fact you could even go visit someone in that time. People just settle into a malaise or some shit. And are content to sit around and let things happen to them unless they are forced to move.

>>1673500
not really. those time will probably go to chores and food. and yeah maybe maximum 2 hrs "fun". But I'm pretty sure most people can't stop after that.
And believe me 12 hrs is not crazy enough.You need to see worse.

>>1673399
>>1673473

So how about posting some of that advice, instead of talking about it?

>>1672655
holy shit this is so damn true
art meets man they can get sad and awkward.

>>1673314
>>1673383

more so to the point that there's so many different approaches to improvement, it's all about temperament and how much you trust yourself. from talking to people like tehmeh, appleflinger, dave rapoza, and sprias i realized they all have completely different philosophies and working methods that have all worked, for them. they even contradict each other a bunch of times. it's not always about who can NEET harder.

>>1673525

yeah that's the thing... everyone's different. you need to apply advice, try advice, and discard as deemed unfit. you are on your own ultimately, and have to trust your own voice to find what methods work best for you.

>>1673514
>>1673514

dis be me:

>>1672471
>>1672854
>>1673217
>>1673242
>>1673432

and a bit of the shitpostings that needn't be mentioned

>>1673533
you know for a neet that advocates grinding 12 hours a day non stop you sure like to shitpost on /ic/.

i'm willing to bet you're just as pathetic as the majority of /ic/ and don't really have anything to show for the hours you supposedly put into your work. besides, it's so hard to take anything you say seriously when you've even admitted to shitposting in this very thread. who knows, you could even be just some 18 year old punk that has been "neet" for 3 months and who only dicks around playing LoL all day.

not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish.

>>1672791
>no money for good food
Absolutely ridiculous. Good healthy meals cost way less than your average meal full of unnecessary things that will only damage your health and they are also extremely easy and quick to prepare. Go check on /fit/ or /ck/, or pic related in short.

>>1673541
Appleflinger is a /fit/izen already. There is still nothing cheaper than a bowl of ramen at the end of the day. That's €0.30 exactly, some tap water and a bit of electricity for the water cooker. Of course, burgers and what not are a rip-off.

>>1673539

stop taking everything so seriously. i don't advocate grinding 12 hours a day i don't think that is even remotely possible. yes i shitpost, it's part of the /ic/-experience, but i also post thoughtful advice and my own wips and pieces regularly.

>ur pathetic

okay, s-so is your mom

pic related is my neetmode progress from late 2012 until 2014, right is some images i'm working right now. i'm far from great but for an autistic hermit who has been sitting in a darkened room for a year painting dragons and spaceships i would like to think i've made some pretty sweet progress.

i've also been spending time on /ic/ pretty much every single day since then lol. which is kinda sad but oh well.

>>1673544
That took you two years? I think you need to work 12 hours a day after all.

>>1673550

maybe i do. could definitely have gone harder at it.

>>1673399
you know that warosu archives ic now right?
it has done so for a while now

>>1673544
I really like that one on the right with the huge egg thingy. Maybe it's a little too monotonous regarding color, you could try making the far away rocks a little cooler - as in color temperature, add some flora or something else in the front and on the right. But you said you're still working on it, so that's good.
Of course you could have improved faster, but don't worry if you have time. Otherwise, time is not that much of a factor as is the quality of the studying time. A lot of people draw 5 hours a day for years and are still completely shitty because they haven't learnt anything. Try to actually study and not just draw brainlessly. Fix every mistake, don't rush with your works, study things and apply them etc.

>>1673525
This. Everyone I've heard had completely different methods as well. I guess /ic/ just prefers NEET mode because most of us are autistic fucks and we're already almost NEETs anyway.
Personally I try not to push myself as hard, because I get very easily stressed out and get panic attacks every time I think about not drawing enough. That combined with depression is a huge fucking obstacle, so I try to spent quality time drawing, getting the most out of it and it's kind of working. Definitely not as quickly as it could if I were drawing constantly for 12 hours a day for a few years, but most people are unable of such a thing and would completely burn out after a few weeks at most.
Everyone here is obsessed with pushing themselves as hard as possible, but that is just not for everybody. Take it easy, except if you're absolutely determined and you know you can do one thing for 12 hours straight a day for years without becoming crazy.

>>1673525

What were the differences? I'm too lazy and autistic to ask them myself.

>>1673822
Who cares. What's important is that things happen when you do them. Do the thing a lot.

What is your guy's opinion on listening to music while you draw?
I feel that when I do gestures and longer poses, the beat of the music gets in the way of my timing and line work and I end up drawing along with the rhythm, so I don't listen to music when I'm doing shit like that.
However, what about detailing and doing still lives? I feel like I absolutely need music then to prevent myself from getting bored to tears.

>>1673930
Don't listen to dubstep then. I normally listen to some relaxing music while drawing, but it depends.

Anyone have those crazy art schedule things? I like looking at them for ideas on what to study. I'm pretty bad at giving myself a curriculum.

Anyone know a good way to continue practicing when you're bored and frustrated with hammering down fundamentals all the time?

I was thinking I'd stop drawing naked people and fruit for five fucking minutes and just practice my sense of linear perspective by drawing screen shots from movies that I like.

I'm not trying to be a lazy cunt. I've literally have drawn nothing but nudes, geometric shapes and still lives of mundane household objects for the past month in a half and while I've improved massively, I just need to do something different today.
tl;dr is having fun allowed?

I've been NEETing for a year while I get finances sorted out to return to school.

I've found setting alarms and working on set things only up until an alarm helps to keep me refreshed.

For example, I work on anatomy studies as soon as my alarm at 9:00 goes off, then as soon as my alarm at 11:00 goes off I switch to colour studies of some variety, and so on.

Make sure you get a check up beforehand though, I was struggling with severe anaemia and it completely knocked the wind out of my sails until my supplements kicked in.

Exercising as soon as you wake up is also a great idea.

>>1674039
If you have the entire day to draw, I recommend ending the day with a few hours of fun ((See: Applying what you learned to drawing whatever the fuck you want, man))

Just try and keep pushing your boundaries when drawing for fun and it shouldn't hold you back. Applying what you learn to imagination is an important skill to develop.

>>1674032
Just two on me, anon, I'd appreciate more myself

>>1674047

>>1674047
>>1674032

On the topic of art schedules, how do you guys plan yours? I'm at a total loss because I just need to study EVERYTHING ...

>>1674083
Poster of those here, I'm currently going with the first one pretty much shot for shot, I have an extra half hour crammed in somewhere though.

>>1674046
Not the guy you replied to, but about this matter...
I'm just starting out, and for now i am grinding basic shapes and lines, while also trying to follow both the sticky books plus Drawspace.com tutorials.
I'd love to make myself some time to draw for fun, but how do i apply what i've learned if, for now, the only thing i can (kinda) do are potato circles and decent lines? Do i just try to draw something in my mind? Wouldn't it be counterproductive to draw using my bad fundamentals (like terrible proportions, non-existant 3d etc)
While i'm willing to grind, i also feel the urge to have some fun-drawing in between to not make it terribly boring, but it's quite hard when i can't even physically draw what i consider fun.

>>1674114

I think the first thing you need to do is understand a bit of constructive drawing. Once you get that done you can at least put some things to paper (even if its horrible). People recommend Fun with pencil or whatever. Whatever works man, just figure out how to use shapes. lines, and some measure to begin the construction of your work.

Now there are two way you can proceed. Drawing what you see, or drawing what you know.

Drawing what you see you literally become a human printer. Really observe the thing you are drawing (from life or picture). Learn to observe negative spaces and shit. I personally recommend drawing on the right side of the brain if you go this route.

Drawing what you know is the much more fun route however. This is where you draw from imagination. But constructive drawing techniques are critical here! Make sure you understand shapes and forms. Use your building blocks to create an image. Even if its a simple object. I suggest trying this out by drawing something simple but if various positions. I've done this with things such as a frying pan or knife.

So overall, you should learn construction which will help you in the long run, and then it will also lead you to have more fun with your work. Or just try to have fun drawing things that appeal to you (not just figure, use object, animals, landscapes.)

i've written about stuff that helped me before, but hangouts are definitely where it's at these days - there's this one where i'm in most days and everyone helps each other... and you can talk and paint instead of type!

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ckst5simk9uhdcpvvcrk3cqep94?authuser=0&hl=en

>>1674119

is it ok if i just listen? i'm a huge faggot who is scared of social interaction

>>1674256
im the same, except it's just because interacting with people takes a lot of energy imo. some people thrive on it for me though it's the opposite. i like people and am fairly social just takes energy a lot of mental energy for me.

>>1674256
yeah! join now, or i'll be on in the day tomorrow

>>1674256
>>1674259
indeed, it does takes a lot of energy to try coming up with friendly conversation. i usually say something awkward and everyone goes quiet... also, everyone is an idiot and i hate everyone's guts.

>>1674039
no way man, in the INDUSTRY naked people and fruit are what you have to excel at so you can only draw that

>>1674118
So i should just start with Fun with a Pencil? (and not one of the two books the sticky reccommends? See right brain etc)
After i'm done with it, i'd love to draw from my imagination rather than real life stuff, since i aim to draw more cartooney/fantasy stuff.
So, if i choose this route, what books/excercises (also considering those you already gave me) would you reccommend?
Sorry if i'm asking so much, but i'd like to have a clear route to follow step-by-step rather than going following my guts only.

Also thanks for your advice man, i really needed some direction and variety.

>>1672472
My social isolation was one of the reasons why I got into this. Art has made me even more isolated but also less depressed.

Having an artist friend would be nice though.

>>1672512
>most of the time, it's your friends and family who go easy on you while compete strangers are more honest and open with their opinions

That's why you need art friends who are both competent and honest. A complete stranger might be honest, but often times has no fucking clue what he is talking about and cannot give you any valuable critique. You don't have to be a chef to criticize food, but you do need to have a good knowledge about cooking to help another chef come up with a better recipe.

>Or you can learn from someone more capable and knowledgeable than your peers who are more likely to be inexperienced as you are

That's not how these things work. People who are vastly better than you have no reason whatsoever to help you unless you pay them. It's different with people at the same level working towards the same goal. There's a reason why so many of the now great digital artists from the early sijun and ca.org days are friends with each other.

>Honestly it's better having non art plebs as friends as they see you as amazing and talented when you really aren't (which is a great ego boost and the delusion helps you keep working to get better).

Now that makes no sense at all and pretty much all the terribad DA-fanart tier artists do just that.

>>1674618
Oh, and just to let you know how i'm absolutely the worst right now, here.
The bad thing is that i even TRIED. I put ACTUAL EFFORT in this abomination.
So yeah, i guess i'll just grind Loomis right now (or should i first do Right side of the brain?)

>>1674637
neither. You should go draw cubes and basic shapes

>>1672655
I also had a similar experience with "art friends"

Lets just say, its better to meet people who are better than you always, so you have something to work for. My shitty artist friends consisted of these 3 girls and another guy, and none of them but one of the girls and one of the guys even put any effort into really practicing.

One of them just does edgey abstract art and is complete shit and will always probably be complete shit because she doesnt practice, plain and simple.

Man I hated those people, they were so lame. I prefer my non art friends, they're not man children. I now realize that over 90% of the time I spent trying to assimilate into the group, I was just cringing because we're talking about prospective art students who are the real NEETs even though they go to school and have jobs. They're fucking lazy shits and that whole thing was a nightmare in itself. I'd rather do art with people who are in the industry that I've met online, or by myself. Maybe I just got a bad batch of hipster artist friends, but I cant stand those people, they literally make me depressed just thinking about them.

>>1674639
Well, for how long?
I mean, drawing mindlessly basic shapes i can do. But i'd need some sort od daily limit (like, draw shapes fo X minutes, or draw X shapes each day).
Without a limit, i'm afraid i could get bored or be inconsistent. Also, i'd not know when i'm ready to move on.

>>1674646
Let me also add, this is why the fucking industry is so oversaturated guys, but if you can surpass these lazy rich hipster kids you have a good chance of landing a job. Its all about the work you put into studying, and these people are going to be REAL neets when they graduate with all of that debt weighing down on them unless their parents pay of all of it, which is probably the case. These kids wont have jobs, its simple, because they are just pseudo artists.

I'm 25 and just starting. I don't know how to explain to my family that I want to spend 2-3 years unemployed to get good at art. Obviously I don't need to justify myself to them, but I know they're going to be disappointed. This is the only thing I've ever felt good about doing though, and the only time I've seriously felt like I'm ready to sacrifice everything to get it.

>>1674660
Why do you have to be unemployed?

>>1674660

they will never understand or agree. you are on your own. i'm in the same boat except i started at 24, and now am a bit more than 1 year in the neetmode.

it's worth it. but you better not rely on any emotional support, because there is none to be had!

one of my (not close) friends literally said "you really fucked up hard in life didn't you?" after i told him about my plans and that i dropped out of uni.

people are idiots, and love to give opinions even on topics they dont know shit about. you can do it anon, be strong.

>>1674660
They won't understand until they see the pay off. Also, maybe try and get a part time job on the weekend? At least keep yourself a float somehow.

>>1675072
holy shit literally on the same boat here.

>>1675072
Got a Tumblr or DA? I want to into NEET next year (2015), would be nice to have some people to follow...

Still doubting whether moving back in with my parents is worth it. On the one hand. no rent. On the other hand, three hours a day of nagging, a lot of yelling and gossip and no privacy (doors have no locks).

>>1675072
Could I be a bitch and ask to see what progress you made in one year?

>>1675098
Make that three.
Uh.

>>1675099

even have a shitty, but presentable, folio website for when i start reaching out to potential clients.

tumblr is atmatmat.tumblr.com

i did eventually move back in with my mother, to buy myself some time (dat rent money) and i even managed to explain things to her to the point where she atleast leaves me alone.

but it's just too depressing. drop out of uni, move back in with mom, sit in room all day... is there anything more sad? so now after 4 months im moving out again, to a new city, and will have to take up a part time job. but at this point im happy to, i need to rebuild my social skills and its a great way to meet new people in a new city.

cheers!

>>1675126
I'm probably not like the majority here who's aiming for illustration or designing, rather, more into story telling. So my study for drawing is mainly manga-style driven and story making. Basically I spent 2/3 of the year actually drawing and the rest constructing and reconstructing stories (those were more like writing novel). Still I know i had improvement more or less.

>>1675148
...Melon Face.
Keep pushing it, mate. Your humans look like plastic. but your other stuff is looking good.

>>1675072
Thanks man. Have you mad good progress?
>>1674679
Because I feel like I need to devote myself utterly to this end, I've got 50k in the bank and I can easily live on 10k per year.

>>1672193
Well if that's your art, OP, I think you're good to go.

>>1675279
>23+3th year of the Heisei period
>Not knowing every work of algen by heart
ISHYGDDT

>>1675173

haha i always thought nobody would ever understand my weird weeabo deviantart name. thanks man!

>>1675278

i think i have man, and i could definitely have gone a good 30% harder.

>>1675155

>>1674119
Hi, did you guys shut the hangouts down?

>>1674647
Well?
I think i'll just religiously follow the sticky for now, until i get better info.
Thanks for the help anyway.

>>1674647
>drawing mindlessly basic shapes
>>1675469
Try doing it while being mindful. and trying to combine them too.

>>1675469
It depends on if you actually do know the meaning of drawing basic shapes. It's not about how long you should do, it's about whether you get it or not. Once you got it you don't need it. The problem is nobody except you know how "beginner" you are at.

>>1674049
>>1674047
these things boggle my mind. Do people not factor in doing things like chores? Dishes? Garvage dispoal and recycling? Shoveling? Mowing lawns? Shopping for groceries? Having to pay bills? Cooking your own meals or even for other family members. Out of the house errands and commutes? Part time jobs? If you have children caring for them? At least one of them mentioned exercise. It's great these guys are so impassioned, you have to be to rival them. Yet I just mentioned adult responsibilities. I'm sure they make time for them, but it still seems so unrealistic.

>>1675582
They mostly live with their parents so no

>>1675582
I worked for a long time and save almost every penny than i took a year or two off from working to study. im at that make it or bust point where i need to start getting jobs or go get a day job.

>>1675582
The last chunk of the day in the first schedule can be for stuff like that.
Groceries one evening, bills don't take long to pay anymore, do dishes as you eat, make meals that are either quick or lend well to extra left overs... you start late in the morning and end early in the evening so it's not that much of a hassle except for things suddenly coming up.

Part time jobs don't really factor in because NEET thread, and if you have kids that's clearly a completely different ball game, but if it's just you and you have the means to sustain yourself for however long you're maintaining this schedule, you hardly have to shirk all responsibility to do it.

I live on my own and follow the first schedule pretty well to a T. Not that difficult to get everything you need done around it.

>>1675475
I would like more advice on drawing primitives mindfully. If you have any or have any resources that do, please share.

>>1675582
It equally boggles my mind how Americans are thralled by their parents and must obey every order of the pater famialiae lest they get kicked out of their homes and die of hunger in the streets.
I never did any of the activities you listed (except for exercise). I'm sorry you were born in one of the worst parts of the world.

>>1675629
>shocked that the entitlement generation that are our parents are self centered

>>1675630
>My father was from the Silent Generation
>My mother's a baby boomer
I'm pretty shocked at how things have gone to shit, yes.

>>1675313

gold squad #1

>>1672856
>If you can stomach it, watch Acland's Video Atlas of Anatomy
>Video anatomy for med students, draw along to what you see.

>https://archive.org/details/Aclands.DVD.Atlas..Human.Anatomy.1of6.Upper.Extremity.Divx6.mp3.wogre

Does this site have the other four parts?

>>1675901

yeeeeeeah

little advice for beginners, learned hard way:
DO NOT post your artwork before learning loomis (even if it's draw thread and someone asked for picture). Truth can be painful.
Yeah, I'm not smart person.
On the other hand now I'm extra motivated to study, so...