/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1668788
I posted wrong.

Anything I should work on?
Also where can I find some good tutorials on composition? That just doesn't go over 3rds.

>>1668826
Another .

Goofing around

>>1668826
Just make a viewfinder (you can even use your fingers) and play around with composition as much as you can, why does the feeling change when It's cropped like x.

Something to play around with is, while studying figure drawing you draw a box around each figure, now you can practice a thousand figures while practicing a thousand (or more!) compositions.

Edgar paynes book "composition of outdoor painting" is worth a look, though it might get restricting if you follow the advice too closely

The basic gist is to never have equal spaces

heres something i tried taking a bit beyond loose sketching :)

>>1668869
nice, you need something in the mid-ground between the people and the water for scale because of that kraken ship being soooo huge, it makes it hard to tell those other things are smaller boats. maybe it'd be less of an issue when the picture is more fully resolved idk.

i like the people, very natural.

>>1668869
I like that one person turn and we can actually see her face.

>>1668871
Yeah, i think i slacked a bit out on defining the smaller ships. And thanks! i think i spent most time on the people as well, scrapping whenever it didnt feel right :)
>>1668896
Yeah, that was one of the things i liked from my initial sketch, i hope it makes people feel that they are there in a way, because of the eye contact.

>>1668869
blog pls

>>1668905
i have a blogspot, but i dont really update it anymore.

I just started a tumblr: carlbenny dot tumblr dot com or you could follow me on FB Carl Benny Robert :)

My blog is carlbenny dot blogspot dot com though, if you want to see anyway :)

Life study

I'm trying some poses and I want to know if his right leg looks strange, I'm doing some imagination/books study, but didn't get any leg in the same place

What say you, /ic/? An upgraded version from a recent study thread, that some faggot said is pointless because the photo apparently makes for a crap study. So I added a buff dude.

>>1669060
It is, I'm afraid. Can't see what its doing. Is the knee pointing away from us? Would make for an awkward as fuck pose.

Started ~2 years ago, still a long long way to go.

>>1669091
Dude. I'm this guy:

>>1669073

And I started two months ago with shit like pic related that. I mean, I'm a shitter, sure, but did you read the sticky?

>>1669094
Yes, of course. My sense of form and gesture was absolutely terrible when I started out, now got better, but still progressing slow.

life study !

>>1669097
I must admit though, I really fucked up the early progress by drawing over-rendered 2+hour portraits (without understanding light and form) expecting to magically get better.

>>1669110
another one from today

>>1668839
This is some cool composition.

>>1668826
>>1668827
Can I get any other suggestions, I want to know If I need to work on anything specifically?

>>1669131
you need to work on everything.

compare your piece to the same type of piece of some pro and try to improve next time

Help a d/ic/k out ,you guize.This low value range is killing me and somehow I can't get the features right.Not to mention the edge work is horriffic.How do you edge control ? soft+hard round isn't cutting it it seems...

>>1669162
looks pretty good, you are over rendering i think try to simplify the forms a bit more.

wip

>>1669169

noiceEEEE!

crits appreciated !

opinions? I will probably paint in some wolf creatures in the bg

>>1668869
Are you attending The Animation Workshop in Viborg? If you are can I message you about it? I have some questions

>>1669048
>>1669053
>>1669169
These are cool

>>1669162
Edge control gets easier if you disable transfer (opacity jitter) on all your brushes. You can start in glazes and then go very hard at the very end to get some cool brush kong fu going.

>>1669091
Still life.
I feel something's off with my handling of the pencil.

/3/fag here!
started working more on handpainted textures lately.
though there's a low opacity photo behind it!
trying to get things to pop out using values

>>1669188
I love it. It's humorous but not unrefined. If you're trying to give the man legs similar to that of the ducks, you are failing. Right now the legs come off as half-assed/ misplaced. Also it throws off the balance - otherwise a very funny and warm portrait.

Any advice how to proceed?
Great difficulties getting any good textures on it.

>>1669188
you're way above me skill wise so I can't give any actual cc, but I can tell you that I like it very much, it's really nice!
now be sure to wipe of any lip prints on your ass later

>>1669223
thx ! i didn't think about that parallel but i believe there is something to be exploited with this. ill keep working on it

>>1669227
thx ! I think i'll keep the prints however

>>1669225

>>1668869

awesome image regardless. you need a bit more of a midground though, and maybe mess with the perspective a bit.

right now that kraken-ship-hybrid is the size of pluto, roughly. just unreasonably gigantic.

>>1669207
Hey! im attending Visual HF, which is basically highschool and 1 year at the animation workshop spread out across 3 years. But i know the school fairly well, but ofcourse i dont know details to the extreme about the bachelor courses :) im just a highschool student in that regard :) but i know some people who have attended the bachelor, and i know quite a bit of the ones attending now!
>>1669239
I can see what you mean, i think for this image though, i like the "poverty" values, i really love that term by the way haha. I think it communicates the mood well, im very wary of the rim-light over-contrast aesthetic, BUT with that being said, ill make sure it doesnt become a habit, im being really careful for the time being, trying to figure out things from the middle, and then ending at lightest and darkest, so thats why there are no "extremes". and yeah, midground definitely, if i get back to this image ill keep in mind what you said. right now i need to start some new stuff or finish other stuff, just to get fresh eyes and such! but thanks!

>>1669169
looks stupid and is stiff.

stole the idea

>>1669276

Them eyes is too big

>>1669278
it's an animu character

>>1669276
She's lovely.
I think her hair needs a bit of shine.

>>1669276
i think her hair needs a bit if face

BZZZZZZ

Slowly getting used to working without transfer ever so slowly

>>1669302

Edges work on them.

>>1669302
okay steve

>>1669169

you are a fucking cunt

>>1669342
*your

>>1668746

gonna redo comp entirely. but much more happy with brown-spiral-bug-dragon than with green-shitty-dragon that i had in there before.

i really feel like in this day and age ontop of being technically good you have to surprise people with creative and original ideas. ofcourse being technically skilled is kind of a prerequisite of being able to deviate from generic stuff...

/blabla

>>1669354

well pretty much in everything in life you either have to be incredible bad or incredible good to be noticed, its sad but truth anon.

>>1669354
i cant quite tell what that is atm, wheres its head?
btw what brush did you use for the clouds, I know brush doesnt make a piece good etc but I recently installed cs6 and miss my brushes ;(
I like it coz it looks really painterly

>>1669357

definitely, but specifically when talking about concept art... there's always people mentioning how there's just SO many aspiring concept artists, yet they forget that 70% of the work out there is technically mediocre and creatively mediocre at best.

>pic related

this image would have impressed me about a year ago.

>>1669363

thanks yeah i'm very happy with the clouds myself which is why i want to put them to good use :o

head would be at the top left end, where those tiny arms hang lol

i used all kinds of different brushes together with the mixer brush and alot of smudge tool too. smudgetool in general is very underrated imo.

>>1669369
w-what is the mixer brush?
Id love to experiment the smudgetool more but sadly works shit on my pc , just lags and takes ages most of the time

>>1669371
try playing with various brushes i was in the sambe boat and found that more solid textured ones work great.

>>1669371
set the smudgetool up with 98-100 percent strength, it will not lag. set it to modify current layer only for a different effect.

mixer brush is in cs5 +? kind of like a different smudge tool.

both are useful for indicating form by showing the direction the brush stroke is going in.

>>1669373
i don't think 5 has it, although i might of gone from 4 to 6

good god.. what am I doing wrong?

>>1669384
forgot reference

>>1669384
what you should do is put that one aside as a thumbnail and do another one quickly, i promise results will be good.

>>1669384
It feels as almost you've drawn him from a slightly different angle. Just looking at the thumbnails, you can see the differences. The face seems smaller, more down than the reference. You should really work on your mapping. A good way to do that is to find where certain objects (and landmarks) are and see how it lines up with another landmark. pic related btw.

It is a bit hard to explain but, basically you can kinda tell where everything is just by seeing if it lines up. It works a bit better if you put a ruler or your stylus to the picture.

>>1669384
Do it hte Sargent way and scrap that and start over. every problem you have started at the initial construction of it. model the cheeks, sockets, brow, etc before you even start worrying about the features, features should be the last thing you drop in and if the structure behind them is good then they will be easy to place.

>>1669386
should I make my picture small as well when I do that?
>>1669391
you're right! the angle was definitely wrong. I had the whole landmark thing in my head as I was doing this but I guess i need a lot more practice. Do you have any advice regarding the colors?

and thanks for the reply guys

>>1669407
Don't forget the brown in the coat.

>>1669384
>>1669386
>>1669400

Take their advice - from setting aside this one as a thumbnail I'm sure you'll know what to watch out for now. Also, going from the second person, take it a step further. If you're doing a Sargent, do it just like he would have - Very. Slowly.

Looking at yours it feels like you were painting too quickly. Sargent would stand poised at his canvas, planning his next brushstroke, and only made it when he was absolutely certain that he felt it was the right thing to do. In the end, after a few more strokes, it turned out to be a poor judgment, he'd scrap it and start over. Also, work your larger shapes first - say all that you can with the largest shapes before moving on to anything else. It's a wonderful thing to spend so much time planning at first, taking painstaking efforts to make sure you've set your painting up for something wonderful, and then having it paint itself by the end.

Also, it's a Sargent. Hold yourself to his standard when you're painting it. Nothing wrong or misrepresented on your canvas, just as he would have done.

Bump with a finished sketch.

>>1669384
>>1669386
>>1669391

Their advice is solid. If you put this thumbnail aside and begin anew you'll also know what areas you had trouble with, which is valuable. Also, if you're doing a Sargent, do it like Sargent would have - Very. Slowly.

Sargent would only put down a brushstroke if he felt that he knew exactly where, and how to put it down. The tone and shapes need to be correct and you need to know why you're putting it there. He also began working in his largest masses first, with midtone. Take as much time as you need to set your painting up to be successful, do not move on from the largest shapes until they are perfect. Work large to small. Think about what Sargent was thinking, how he was working. All of his knowledge is there, distilled, and all you have to do is pay attention to pull it out.

Also hold yourself to a high standard when you're doing this - Sargent would throw away seemingly completed paintings if he didn't think it was working. I read somewhere that once he threw away more than 10 renditions of someone before making one he liked.

Also, finished sketch for bump.

>>1669420
nice!
Heres what Im painting, had great hopes for it but it's just a great mess as of now. Its supposed to be a knight transforming into a sort of crow demon/whatever(Howl lol),its all dark with a few crows around , how can i make the crows, flying feathers and the already dark elements pop out the blackish background? also how to properly light the plate ?

>>1669436

Thanks. Also, I'd say you've run into the same problem as the person studying Sargent - you didn't plan out your piece and went on with it anyways. You have to set yourself up for lovely work.

Also, my advice would be to take this back to thumbnail, completely paint over and remove any detail you have so nothing in your painting is precious, then set it up graphically. I'd say set this on a dark grey background, fill the image mostly with black crows flocking all around, with white plate and a light grey face framed by black. Also take the time to consider your story and the mood, and see if your composition of abstract shapes supports it.

Also, another finished sketch.

>>1669447
How do you do that? It makes no sense yet its so beautiful.

>>1668869
Hate to be that guy, but why would you have so many sail boats between two huge walls? there would be no wind in order to sail them, same problem with this painting.

>>1669447
Sorry but I dont understand what you mean with " set it up graphically " and "face framed by black"
soz 3am retardness thanks

>>1669342
>>1669267
Jidf spotted

Started two days ago my lifelong quest of being a better artist

here is my latest loomis-derived creation in pic related
Am I the greatest artist to ever live yet?
Or at least a legitaornament genius?
If neither I'm just going to give up

>>1668746
how do I into drawing sans reference? pic related my sketches from earlier today. All from ref.

>>1669430
implying sargent had any idea what he was doing

>>1669452

Ha, thank you, but do what? As a blanket statement, knowing how a rule works and practicing with it enough teaches you how to break it and still make it work, but I'm sure you'd like specifics.

>>1669455

I did a small explanation and a few examples, let me know if it helps or if it needs further clarification.

>>1669482
You just have to draw. Seeing your previous stuff, you have at least a foundation to start from.
Using ref isn't a bad thing, mind.

My first attempt at a digital painting. I know I am not very good at drawing to begin with and the fact is I didn't even know where the fuck the light source was coming from. I would appreciate some brutally honest critique.

>>1669491
Thank you anon.
>a foundation to start from.
I've been taking figure drawing classes for about 3 years plus now but I feel like I'm not as good as I should be.
Thanks again.

>>1669430
Hey mate, decent start here, I feel you just need to add some more interest through variety.

Variety of saturation--everything is grey and desaturated, adding in a bright saturated red at the focal point breaks up your saturation structure a bit so it is more interesting.

Variety of material--the materials are all matte and boring, so I played up the metallic feel of the knight.

Variety of value--increased the contrast on the knight, and added in a brighter white for the flag.

Variety of texture--added some dead trees behind the knight to give some cool small noise that works well contrasted against his smooth metal.

Variety of depth cues--added some foreground branches, and another hill thing on the bottom left to make it feel more like a full world and not just like a flat hill randomly cut off.

I also added some more snow in the background to make some bigger more interesting shapes. And simplified the grass shape the knight is standing in since it has a lot of variations that I felt weren't helping. I feel some other areas can use some simplifications, but I don't want to spend mroe than a couple minutes on this overpaint, and I figure you can work at it a bit too :P

Also, I really like >>1669447 (assuming it is you too). It also however suffers from a lack of variety, especially in the value and saturation hierarchies. I like the brushwork though and the edge control.

>>1669496
but now its ruined

>>1669496
To be honest, I like the former better. Not everything needs to be blown out in terms of saturation or value. You learn to appreciate subtleties in paintings more after you've seen enough of them.

>suffers from a lack of variety, especially in the value and saturation hierarchies. I like the brushwork though and the edge control.

I'd disagree. I wouldn't say that there's a lack of it, but it is only more tastefully done. Again, it's takes more knowledge, skill, and even a certain degree of taste to pull back all that saturation and contrast while still having an interesting painting, rather than go all out with them.

>>1669495
Np, maybe take some time off from the figures and ref to do some pure imagination work and construction practice then?

ran out of time on her stripes, another day.

>>1669496
i dislike every new change. perhaps a slight tint to the helmet hair and flag could be nice, otherwise your edit kills all the subtelty.

>>1669505
you're doing family portrait commissions now? how low you have fallen. and those faces look copy-pasted.

>>1669505
tehmeh

>>1669506
i don't know what that is, this is my free-time sketching
i've painted the thing nearly entirely on the /ic/ study hangout if you are that bothered

>>1669506
he was paid in sex, check mate.

>>1669506
Yeah that's not actually tehmeh, even if this person is trying to look like him with the border and using a tiger.

>>1669511
i just say it how i see it. you wanted feedback, right?

I'm trying to touch this up to turn in for class tuesday.
any critiques or suggestions are welcome

>>1669515
well he succeeded, he is now officially tehmeh 2 and any personality he had before then has disappeared into the abyss.

>>1669519
what a jerk, that guy.

>>1669518
ofc, gimme more feedback if you got it. i don't care for 'how low you have fallen.', but how i can improve my pictures.

>>1669522
am I a jerk for having forgotten to drop the file size?
sorry.

I'm really frustrated with this painting. The colors are weird because the professor wanted us to pick something 'strange' and not have the same colors for each object. We also had to choose/mix based on adding two complementary colors together, no pure colors. Sorry I didn't take a picture of the still life. Can anybody give me any tips with acrylics or just.. anything? (Also, the drapes aren't even really drapes.. It actually is just some shitty blue plastic. )

>>1669519
Hand is backwards.. Overall, the picture is poor. You really should read the sticky. It also might benefit you to go to the style/cartoon/anime thread.

>>1669482
What I found incredibly helpful for making the leap from reference to imagination was careful observation of forms in non-drawing situations. For example, when I was riding the subway I would look at the people and try to imagine how I would express their form through line or value, like I was wrapping it in contours (if that makes sense?). Then when I would sit down to draw, I had filled my head with those kinds of observations and it was munch easier because I could more clearly imagine the way structures behaved. I feel like drawing is the art of seeing, so the more often you carefully observe, the greater your draftsmanship will become.

>>1668746
hello again friends

>>1669562
lol just realized how shit this looks fullsized, been zoomed out the whole time painting it. i did lots of quick scribbling on top to try to get ideas down cuz i have to go to bed now

>>1669476
draw 4-5 hours every day for 2 years.
then come back and show us you improvement

>>1669505
tiny hand on #3

is this getting too kitsch?
>>1669562
>>1669563
the thumb looks great; can't wait to see where you go with it
>>1669505
bretty neet; any progress on the stabby guy?

much much better composition :0

gimme tips all y'all ... it looks so cartoony

>>1669613

inb4 looks like a giant turd

>>1669430
>>1669447
>>1669489
Perhaps you could tell us who your inspirational artist are/is?

WIP commission via colored pencil. Not my style, but I get money lol

/ic/ I need help, something is off with this image and it is frustrating me. (particularly the background)
Aside from the need of a value push that is.

>>1669496
Rule of thumb: don't ever do paintovers of artists who are better than you. Not because those artists are beyond criticism or anything like that, but because you will only embarass yourself with your paintover.

>>1669638
lol that's the kind of critique that would hurt the hell out of me if it was directed to me.

To add to this, that paintover made the image lose all that potential use of light with oversaturated, blurry nonsense.

>>1669637
I think the composition should do with some adjustment. There isn't really much of anything on the right side that draws attention when compared to the ship and the cloud on the top.

>>1669637
I think the composition should do with some adjustment. There isn't really much of anything on the right side that draws attention when compared to the ship and the cloud on the top. I realize that that's the focal point, but I think its a bit too heavy.

>>1669637
I think the composition should do with some adjustment. There isn't really much of anything on the right side that draws attention when compared to the ship and the cloud on the top. I realize that that's the focal point, but I think its a bit too heavy. Especially since the left side of an image naturally draws more attention because our brains are conditioned to read from left to right.

>>1669648
Ok thanks for the suggestion, I'll post again later with the changes.

Any suggestions on the colours?

>>1669637
i really like this.
i think the focus should be more on the mountain with the castle. try make it look like the "castle" was far away and just rests on this really big mountain.

(you may ignore this comment because i am a total noob)

>>1669652
Thanks, I am considering removing the structure in the distance entirely though, i'm still not sure what kind of narrative I want it to have, without it the image feels more lonely, which is kind of nice. But thanks for the suggestion I'll try it regardless, it might work!

>>1668869
just wanted to say i very much enjoy the feeling of this one. gives me an exotic thrill, closest i can describe it. so cool.

first illustration ever. help me improve!

>>1669496
subtlety in the original was more fitting. that and the brush work.

>>1669454
thanks! sorry i didnt consider that, very stupid of me. it makes perfect sense, oh well artistic license ;) just kidding, ill have to consider physics and real world aspects more in regards to paintings.

>>1669525
no, the guy distracting and messing up the wench's monitor.

>>1669666
v1.5

>>1669666
>>1669704
Focus on drawing. No amount of rendering can make this image look any better because the initial drawing is very flawed.

damn what happend to the ears

>>1669704
>>1669666

>>1669708 is right.
You gotta study anatomy. Lots of potential for improvement there.

Always wanted to go on painting mode, diminishing the outline. But when I'm in doubt, I always resorts to hard lines. I'm sorry...

> WIP ~50%

What is wrong with my usage of colours? The problems with colours started 3 or 4 years ago. Don't know why my art looks so... ... boring. I try to use just 4-5 values, I read as many tutorials as I can, try everything what other artists say, but my art is not really good.

>>1669732
Did you do a fan comic maybe like 2 years ago?

>>1669734
No, I didn't. Why you're asking?

>>1669737
Your art looks really familiar. Nevertheless, stop touching the contrast slider and she also has a massive beehive on her head. You really should work on making the picture a bit more solid and less 'sketchy' before adding all these glares and effects.

There are some anatomy mistakes here and there, around the nose and with the eye a bit. Use this as reference http://downloads.xdesktopwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11-3/Side-Face-Of-Jessica-Alba.jpg

But, seriously, I pulled the image over to my other monitor which has higher contrast, just a tad bit and now the shadows are waaaaaaay too dark and other places are waaaay too bright.

>>1669741
You are not he first person, who says the shadows are too dark and so on. But I calibrated my screen, used another palette in every picture (sometimes more dull, sometimes with more contrast, more colourful...) and tried everything, what you and the other artists said. But it never works...
In my scetches everything looks good, but in progress I want to give up, because I see my own mistakes...

>>1669745
It might all just come down to foundations or the colors you pick. How well do you do painting traditionally? Does it normally look the same? It might help you to step back from digital painting, so you won't feel so discouraged. Or if you can't right now, try some studies out so you can see exactly what you're doing wrong. I feel as if you're just having a color picking issue..

>>1669494
read the sticky

>>1669732
>What is wrong with my usage of colours?
You clearly don't understand how color and light work.
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
http://ctrlpaint.com/library/ (watch all the videos under 'Painting with Color')

What you need to be doing is a TON of painting from life to learn how color works in the real world. Painting shit from imagination won't help you at all if you don't have the prerequisite knowledge base, visual library, and intuition on how color works.

Paint well lit simple still lifes (apples, vases, eggs, whatever you have lying around the house). Paint the object and it's environment, not just the object. First do a bunch in grayscale, and show some restraint with pure white and pure black - they are extremes, and thus should be reserved for accents if used at all.

Next, paint a bunch of monochrome still lifes where you vary color temperature. If you're using real paints (which I recommend), your starting colors would be black, white, a cool red, and a warm red for example.

Once you have a feel for color temperature, slowly expand your working palette. Gamut mapping is relevant: http://pastebin.com/rQ2EVg4J . Once you're comfortable with that, paint some still lifes with a fuller color palette. At this point you should also go out and paint environment, paint some master copies, and paint from unedited photos.

I'ts not just your colors that are off, but your values and your depiction of form as well. If you can't do those prerequisites properly, then it doesn't matter how good your colors are - everything will still look wrong/off.

>>1669666
have you considered using some soft round or at least blending? i know /ic/ has a boner for hard round, but it's not the only brush.

your girl has a very small forehead judging by where the hairline is showing on the right. IDK if that's what you were going for, but it's weird. Also very long-necky.and boobs too high. And did someone amputate the right side of her trapezius?

>>1669731
Those eyes look like flat stickers. Remember that you're drawing spheres, and the eyelids have thickness to them and wrap around that sphere. Don't be afraid to better inform your drawings using references for the things you don't know - even if it's your own face in a mirror.

>>1669732
Straight side view is pretty boring most of the time.

>>1669489
yes it helps! I should make thumbs with the composition in mind and lay simple shapes&values to depict the scene and achieve the mood etc i want right?

Im gonna apply this to a new one tho, I spent i thinnk too many hours on the crow and the thought of starting it all over doesnt excite me much haha

>>1669752
>>1669770
omg... you help me a lot! Going back to my own roots might help and these advice in still life and greyscale painting as well! Thank you very much.

>>1669774
It's the first time I do a complete work out of a straight side view. Mostly I do action scenes, but these looks also boring...

>>1669783
Post it, for science.

>>1669511
>/ic/ study hangout
where is this hangout you speak off?

Hey am I going the right way on this? =X Its prolly shit but Im trying :)..

I can still improve a bit.

I know this is garbage so sorry for putting you guys through the torture of looking at it ;_; I haven't painted in many years and seems like I've forgotten how. Bought a Cintiq yesterday and decided to start painting again lol

Tips/critique/tutorials would be appreciated. Thanks.

>>1669820
>Bought a Cintiq
>hasn't painted in years
>buys a fucking cintiq

M8 wot r u doing

>>1669822
I work and I thought I'd buy something productive with my money.

Quick flat brush, no pen pressure study.

This was pretty fun, but to be honest, I'm not sure how I can apply this.

The way I see it is, I do the study, I observe details like colors being reflected on other surfaces, highlights, etc... and then apply that to my future painting.

>>1669820
In comparison here's a traditional piece I started recently (maybe like last March or so). How to into digital painting...

>>1669831
>last march
>recently
going to the store to get new sides

>>1669837
Damn why can't somebody just help me out here rather than give me a some dumb greentext bs. I'm a banker ok. I don't have time to grind this shit out. I would if I could.

Also what does new sides mean ; w ; ?

>>1669840
his sides imploded and had to replace them?

>>1669613
>>1669622

:[

>>1669840
>empathy
>banker

ebic troll m8 :D

1. "Tulip mushroom"
The tulip mushroom pollinates daily. It holds onto rocks, but easily gets smashed if the rock starts rolling. The tulip mushroom lacks judgement and has therefore a very short life span.

2. "Junk mushroom"
The junk mushroom occurs in wetlands. It contains no nutritions and fills no function in nature. It is unclear why it even exists.

3. "Bundle mushroom"
The bundle mushroom is formed by several heads, connected in the rooting system. The biggest head pollinates. Scientists are unsure what the rest of the heads do.

>>1669865
>>/vp/

so i know i am no where near the level that you guys are, but that just means i need all the help i can get

>>1669865
needs color

I probably shouldn't try to explain this.

spontaneous thing from yesterday

>>1669808
I went a lil further, but something is really bothering me, I cant figure what.

>>1669885
i think you should stick the ready

>>1669891
Nah, he read stick the shouldy, man!

>>1669801
srsly, is there a google hangouts link?

>>1669919
there was one but it's now dead (i think) there may be a new one tho

I made this for a friend.

>>1669925

abandoned monastery speedpaint

>>1669919
>srsly, is there a google hangouts link?
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ckst5simk9uhdcpvvcrk3cqep94?authuser=0&hl=en

i colorpicked and used >>1669831 as reference

>>1669939
I dig that a lot. I need to do more painting like that.

Sup y´all?

>feedback appreciated

Photo study

>>1669954
Nice floor.

Still stuck in learning values.

Anything wrong so far?

another of these

somehow I feel that the nose is off but I can't seem to get it right, help.

>>1669967
Do you draw anime? You made all of her features cuter, more child-like. Her head is too big/round, her lips are too thick and too short, her eyes are too low and too big.

>>1669967
you made the chin a lot sharper and the jaw jutting out.

>>1669948
another try

>>1669967
The left side of her face clearly doesn't look like that dude

>>1669972
thanks

>>1669973
I don't.Thanks

>>1670006
insightful.

>>1668145
update

How is this going? Some crit please :)

>>1669999
yolo

>>1670038
stop using dodge to color and shade...

>>1670047
YOLO

>>1669939
I know this is a retarded question but i've just never bothered with google+ or hangouts.
Is the number limit really only 9 people?
Or is it only this group in particular? I tried to join to see how it's like and it said that it's full.

>>1670064
i have tried them and they get boring kind of fast people will talk about non art realted stuff or they just turn into gaming zones and it kind of sucks.

not to mention being in a room where you are talking to other people for me at least is kind of taxing like it takes a lot of energy to do.

>>1670052
sooo...you're gonna leave it as a shit tier DA level scrub...oh well...

>>1669955
Thanks!

>>1670064
It's 10 people in general.
Besides me personally get really distracted with talking to people and I can't get shit done.But it's fine if you're on there just to waste some time.Socialising with people with similar interests are better than vidya games imo.
Then again I haven't been on the /ic/ one speciffically.So idk how things are there.Conmana been nagging me to get on there but eh.

thanks

>>1670080
wowe much amaze

>>1670080
Amazing

Finished. Actually best cg drawing I made by now

>>1670080
10/10 would hire

>>1670080
looks great. Not like your usual stuff, but still very catchy. What brushes did you use for that ?

>>1670080
would slit wrists/10 Olly. Fuck, I'd rape you sop hard.

>>1670080
This is so fucjking maxinf, I came 666 times

>>1670083
needs more red contact lenses

>>1670080
Holy fucking milk tits
This has to be your best one yet!

>>1670080
>1670080
I'd fuck you so hard

>>1670081
>>1670082
>>1670084
>>1670085
>>1670086
>>1670087
>>1670089
Same fag

>>1670091
ur mumlel

>ollysama posts something
>5repliesXsecond rate

>>1670091
ur mumlel

>>1670091
>Doesn't know how 4chan time limits between posting works.

>>1670091
you're mum lawl

>>1670091
>>5repliesXsecond rate
i cum on ur ass

>>1670091
ur mum

>>1670091
ur mumlel

>>1670091
HA UR MOM

>>1670091
ur mum lel

>>1670098
ebany

>>1669956
shoulders look too low
they look dislocated

So I'm working on this and I realized my perspective is realllllllllly off. This is for a figure drawing class- I plan on making the tops of the walls true horizontals and redoing the book. I believe when this is finished it will have 6 figures total. Will it be too much? I plan on moving the current middle figure back so that the current three figures are not in the same plane to hopefully add more depth- The floor ends by the large columns in the back ground and the images vanishing point will continue out in to some out doorsy backgrounds. I need to represent Multipoint perspective, single point perspective and Atmospheric perspective. I plan on also using this work as a light logic study. Is there anything I could do to help improve the composition?

>>1670064

>>1670135
use Manga Studio's perspective ruler.

>>1670083
Eye on the shadow side need to be shadowed.

>>1670140
I am using paint tool sai I've never used Manga studio before- is it cheap?

>>1670148
the torrent is free.

5spooky4me

>>1668746
Critiqu pls. I'm new at this xDDDDD
can I industry now?

rate

Hairty pottey

>>1670162
you need darker tones in the red shadow.

I dunno about this, he's awfully tall for a dwarf, but whatever. I think I'm finished with it for now.
He needs to have some sort of balance to the armor, but I don't know what I want to put in place.

Also, any of you know of any tips to help with sore wrists? I almost never get it, but these past two weeks It's been back every now and again.

>>1670162
FUCK U FGT

>>1670170
I dnot care what those fucker preps and posers fink. Ur da most beautiful girl in the world. Before I met you I used to want to commit suicide all the time. Now I just wanna fucking be with you. I fucking love you!

>>1670166
>>1670167
Same trips. Sides.

ebony

hai

>>1670135
This need more red eyes and longer hair. They nedd to b gothhicc. Would luk muc bettr

>>1669775

Yeah, pretty much just that. It keeps you from getting attached so you can just focus on rapid ideation, and also forces you to be a bit more deliberate with your composing ability. It's a good call to start something new, not being excited about a piece will kill it harder than about anything else.

>>1669496

Hey, thank you :]

I don't agree entirely with every change you've made, but I'm also a bit wary to be opposed to it out of defending myself, or out of the fact that your changes will not be as polished as what I had. Render can really influence those decisions in detrimental ways. I agree with how the flag doesn't pop out and about the helmet... tassle hair, though I'd solve them differently. Also the hill does feel like it cuts off a bit, doesn't it? It's more of a drawing issue, though.

>>1669500
>>1669638
>>1669641

I actually disagree, I enjoy being critiqued by about anyone. The thing you have to remember is the direction that you had intended the piece to go in, the special thing you wanted to say with it, and if the person critiquing has taken that into account versus just pushing it in the direction they would have done it in. In this case I feel it's a bit of the latter, but there's still useful bits in there.

Also a photo-ref study from something that I found on tumblr. Fun stuff, I might try doing a portrait one sometime soon, but there's a finished piece I want to start beforehand. I might post it in stages on here.

>>1670170
you look kawai, girl.

>>1670173
pleas my big harry saggy ass coud not take yor love

>>1670178
I HAVE FOUND MYSELF OK YOU MEAN OLD MAN!

u dun it nao

>>1668746

yes.

>>1670135
>>1670140
>>1670175
Lines? Do these look okay?

>>1670187
ITS ALL OGRE NOW

First time trying anything digital after watching a bunch of tutorials.

>>1669633

Oh, that's a loaded question. Really, it changes with the season, but for the most part, and in almost no specific order:

Lawrence Alma-Tadema, Jean-Leon Gerome, J.C. Leyendecker, Norman Rockwell, Ivan Shishkin, Ilya Repin, Valentin Serov, Isaak Levitan, John Singer Sargent, Anders Zorn, Cecilia Beaux, Bierstadt, Eugen Bracht, Carlos de Haes, Velazquez

Seriously though, if you asked me again in two months half of that list would be replaced. I typically just cycle through different movements. I'm feeling Golden Age Illustrators are going to be my next group, whereas right before it was the masters of the loaded brush - Zorn, Sargent, Beaux - and before then it was the Orientalists. Also, it's hard to discount the influence of modern artists, like Craig Mullins, Thomas Scholes, Jaime Jones, and Craig Mullins a few more times over. I try to look at them, though, for why they made the decisions they did, in their work, and not how they did it.

>>1670187
you wot m8 ?

oy

>>1670202
Gud wurk fellow shrekpotter

goota expelliarmus fast

>>1670212
allohomora !

>>1670212
>>1670214

cat spell lov witt ot o

>>1670214

>>1669954
I like those floors

>>1670221
get on my level

SPECIAL FANGZ 2 RAVEN MY GOFFIX BLOOD SISTA WTF UR SUPPOZD 2 RIT DIS!11111111

>>1670228
icht lel

>>1670175
Left most figure will have red eyes and Mauve/ lavender colored hair. The right figure will have black hair and black eyes- the center figure will have green eyes and white hair.

what the hell is /ic/ on tonight

>>1670244
It's shitposters from another board. Report and move on.

>>1670245
top kek.
We're all d/ic/ks here. We didn't come from another board.
Stay mad, stay sad

>>1670247

I want to have sex with that arm

Made this a few hours ago.. how bad is it?

>>1670247
That's some neat hatching.
But the volume of the veins can be described more imo. But I can learn something or two from your pencil work.

>>1670274
>>1670247
And I forgot to add. I feel that instead of outlining the shadow's shapes, you should let those hatches describe the form seamlessly. Adding the outlines actually 'flattens' the illusion of volume, I feel. It enforces the eye to see shapes with values filled in instead of a 3d form describe using values using pencils. I feel the way you executed it is best used for stylized drawings much like western comics, for example.

The use of outlines on your cast shadows however is good in itself. It enforces the sharp edged quality of cast shadows like the one you used for the cast shadow on the right drawing.

Moving on from pencil quality, the anatomy on the left is a little funny. Especially on the trapezius muscle and the sides of the torso, but is negligible considering the focus of the drawing, but it is something to keep your mind on for next time.

>>1670272
Just compare it to >>1670247

>>1670279
yes i'm pretty sure that's what he was going with his cartoon, a mass rendering of a human arm. the way he only used lines is the clearest indicator that he was going for something similar.

..and it's such a useful comparison in other ways. Clearly he has the experience to decipher the deficits it his doodle of a guy with a funky hat and jet packs by looking at a rendering of an arm by a more experienced artist.

yours may well be the most useful crit ever, in the history of art.

>>1670281

>>1670135
>>1670190
Ive tried to fix the perspective and Ive started to add in the other figures and such- dose this composition work?

Trying line drawing with transfer off
gives a neat look

respect to bagbosse

guys help why doesnt she look hot

>>1670324
work on the lips and reshape the nose- perhaps take a short break from it and come back to see the differences.

>>1670324

her left eye is funky as hell
lips need to be more exaggerated
right eye needs more depth

>>1670326
yeah i've been working on this for around 3+ hours... I think i'll continue working on it tommorrow

>>1670324
thicker eyeliner.

>>1670330
>>1670324
A lot of your mistakes are proportional. Those mistakes occurred so early in the painting process that I don't think there's much benefit to tweaking this until it's right. If I were in your shoes, I'd either start over or move on - your time is better spent training your eye to recognize and keep proportions intact.

/y/ kicked me out because they hate my drawings.
I think I might be getting slightly better. Proportion is still full of fuck though
I'm redrawing the dude on the right digitally tomorrow morning complete with lineart and shading.

>>1670247
>Eric Gist arm sketch for his students at Watts

wtf do you want /ic/ to say about it?
It's not your work so it's pointless...

>>1670337
that's a good point, thanks anon

>>1670340
LoOoOoOmis

Life stuff from today.
Any advice would be great.

>>1670363

>>1670363
ad a grid or some sort of floor or some idea of where the surface ends or starts- is there a vanishing point ? Perhaps a horizon line?

>>1670337
in a painting you can fix things like that as you go along. that's like the main benefit of working opaque.

>>1670367

You would have him complicate a study?
There's no need for that. Being mechanical isn't always a good thing.

>>1670363
laaaaaaaaaaazy hatching. leave the hatching off if you're going to be so lazy about it, might as well just indicate the shadows with a line.

>>1670367
Right, I keep that in mind next time.

>>1670370
Whad do you mean by lazy? I wasn't half assing (just sucking at this point).

>>1670169
>awfully tall
>Why not add some indications of scale or a background that makes it seem like he is indeed, short.

>>1670371
This is actually something that I am curious about; I mostly just like freehanding objects in perspective. Maybe indicate space with a few free handed lines. When is it right to do a more technical approach (VP, HR, and all), and when is it preferable to just freehand?

>>1668746
I tried to go for a golden sunset snow mountains thingy, but I'm completely lost.

Please, can someone link me to a good resource on landscape painting?

>>1670392

>>1670355
I adore the Loomis books. I can't quite seem to nail what they have going 100%, but I'm trying. Here's a quick sketch thing I put together just now to show off--- how awful I am at it.

>>1670381

The question is not when I think it's right but when you think it's right. It's a cop out answer I know.

To answer your question-- when would I use a VP or HR, whenever it's needed.

how da **** to render armor

also thoughts on the shitty banner?

Need some tips.

>>1670409
This is pretty good if you just started, which I assume is true.

The hips are a little awkward but once you add details and sharpen the lines.

>>1670413
>>1670409

>but once you add details and sharpen the lines

fuck I forgot to finish my sentence.

It should look great after you do all that.

>>1670409
The drawing doesn't make sense in terms of anatomy. There's no distinct appeal, almost no merit in terms of style. I can't tell what's behind him (a stick...gun..?). Only credit I can give is that I can see that it is a drawing of a person with crazy eyes.

You suck. But that's okay. Everyone needs to start somewhere.

Well, firstly you can learn some really basic anatomy. What makes a visual representation of the human body, and how to draw them convincingly. You really need them. Michael Hampton tutorials and book which you can find in the OP is good for you. Then it's just draw draw draw. Also, try to look at good drawings a lot, and see what makes them good. Compare it to yours and see what you can pick up. And I mean proper good drawings. You can pick up some by lurking more.

>>1670409

Watch these two:

http://www.proko.com/the-bean/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1nxf5KQ2Js

>>1670423
>>1670409

dude, he needs to learn how to draw first before he starts to fuck around with shit like this.
in the end his poses will look wonky and his characters will still look like shit because he cant draw to begin with.

i'd suggest he starts drawing from references first to rid get rid of symbols and a feel for what a human actually looks like while also(and that's the important part) working on his line weight and rendering. this guy chicken scratches a lot.
another suggestion: before he starts with full body he should focus on specific areas such as the head.

i started drawing a week ago, i did this yesterday using paint tool sai, any advice?

one of my better ones... I know I need to chizzle her forhead in more and think I found a trick to get the faces to pop out more....

where and how much did you guys, who has it, get Photoshop.

Anything wrong? critiques please.

I feel embarrassed having to ask this. I should know better, but how the fuck do I draw clasped hands correctly? Redlines appreciated.

replying to the guy who sketched the girl looking at her laptop. I like it... I'd have her looking down at her laptop. but I know head angles can be tricky. or at least get to know eye anatomy better so you can show more emotion and suggest where the character is looking better. lines look like they need to be more confident. most of the body's anatomy looks good other than the character's right shoulder seem a tad to low. good impression on first glance! keep at it. a lot better than most these other fools.

>>1670450
Don't know if man or woman.

rounder and softer cheeks can help with that. think about how wide and high you want the cheekbone. usually men's square off like that.

honestly yours is the best one in this thread... imo. others are ... crazy scribbles to suggest he's wearing armor, or the paintings decent just the design isn't great while the anatomy is broken when it wasn't trying to...

lol or straight up unfinished. but psh what casual artists finish there crap anyway.

>>1670450
She or he needs an ass.
Also, headphones and phone are too small.
>>1670469
this

>>1670467
The fuck are you referring to? Learn to quote posts.

o-O my cell phone won't let me... comeagain

... why not go down the line, pretty easy to pick out.

added swirls for bonus epicness

>>1670478

ahha! there it is. you win this round.

>>1670456
>>1670467

>>1670478

hello friends

>>1670394
What colour would a snow field have under this sky light?

>>1670442
That's not how anatomy works.

I got gud, I think.

wip

>>1670527
looking great man, would love to see it when the details on the clothing and what not is finished.

>>1670450
It seems unclear as to where the midsection meats the lower section and just where the lower might be. Perhaps try a little more under sketch to map out how the spine and hips work?I also feel that the leg dosen't look like it was layered over well enough here's an example. The arms seem a bit too long but may be your going for a lanky look? I would also suggest moving the wall like where it meets the floor up a little higher in the picture plane to better add some depth. Hopefully this helps.

Working on composition

>>1670506
references are your friend- may be try 'sunset snow ' for some other references?

>>1670487
Do you have a blog?

>>1670531
I'd like to help but is there a narrative?

>>1670535
its the birth of lumpy space princess

>>1670535
Not anything in particular. Just supposed to be some imposing mystical shit or something.

>>1670501
how can i talk with you?
do you have skype or anything?

>>1670536
At first I thought it was an streamer close up of an unfinished Twilight Sparkle horn. I suggest try thinking about what you would like to convey to the viewer a little more if your piece is supposed to be non objective try and pin down what shapes and or colors even marks might help relay that information. Circles and triangles are very emphatic in composition and it seems you have both going on. I think perhaps a swirl or vortex might make things interesting and add a little more depth.

>>1670542
>I think perhaps a swirl or vortex might make things interesting and add a little more depth.
Well, I tried to give the impression that the clouds were in kind of a loose swirl. I didn't want to overdo it. I think it would look kinda dumb.

2spooky4me WIP

unhappy with the head, how it looks and how it connects to the neck, will experiment with

>>1670550
quick update

>>1670554
>rustled jimmies face

>>1670531
used this to experiment some

>>1670555
hah, you're right. muh visual library

>>1670557
cool. I like those colors.

>>1670534

atmatmat.tumblr.com

t-thanks for replying ;,,-)

current work

Trying out some storytelling/storyboard
Still very WIP
Any help is very much appreciated

sorry for phone size , just finished the linework , will be adding value later . Any tips during this stage where shits easy to fix ?

>>1668746

>>1670641
Stop and start over

>>1670641
Do you have a reference?

>>1670641
is this from life or imagination? the proportions look way off, her entire hear looks squashed vertically, which in turn makes her hair look like a horizontal marge simpson. her ear is too far back, you should give her a chin, the nose is very flat, her eyes look rather symbolic.
also: careful with the lines! indicating every value change with a strong line (especially edgy ones) makes her look like shes 160 years old. lighter lines will do the trick too, after all you said yourself you want to put value in, which means to describe the form with light rather than with lines.

>>1670648
Could I have some explanation

Shitty .gif that I just got done animating.

>>1670652

>>1670651
What he said..
Almost everything looks wrong or off..
you'll end up with something much nicer if you just start over

>>1670651
Yeah its from life , I'm going to transfer it twice onto a nicer paper to bump back all the construction and just use it as a tool to make a value oriented portrait . So pointing out my flatness helps cause now I can change it before the transfer. I'm really having trouble with that ear

>>1670655

least sexy sexual thing i've ever seen in my entire life.

Been practicing drawing for a couple of months and this is my first thing I'm showing anyone. So, instead of saying be nice, rip me a new one.

>>1670672

Yeah, I know. My animating skills are really not terrific at all.

>>1670681
could pause at the beggining or add a little swing back before the main swing

study from life wip
(the sun has shifted, i have to put off for another day)

>>1670675
please read Loomis how to draw or fun drawing. Proportions are off. Smooth and "nice" rendering is nothing without proper foundation

>>1670695
I don't see warm reflected light on the figure, which im sure should be apparent in this harsh lightning. Also light and shadow on the figure is same colour, you probably only used levels slider.

>>1670717
there is no levels slider in Sai, bro.
it's missing saturation in midtones for sure, but after i did the sketch and was blocking in, the lightning wasn't bright anymore (i'm very slow). but you're right.

>>1670641
Whats the point of study if you just force lines into the paper in a very slight resemblance of whats in front of you. Try and be more sensitive.

>>1670710
>>1670675
Yeah, I kept staring it knowing something big seemed off. Thanks, I've just bookmarked the page.
The skirt was me messing around to see how I could get the pleated skirt to show the creases properly (pleats would be expanded fully up later). Also using some monochrome texture as a overlay to merge with it to give it more of a cloth feel.

I've been learning purely in Manga Studio 5 by watching speed-painting videos and browsing DeviantArt for various styles to try and mimic.

LOL, I never even thought to try and read about how to do any of this. If you have any other comments, I don't take offense to anything, so like I said before, be absolutely brutal.

headache!

Fantasy doodling progress.
I really need to get my shit together.

>>1670752
Even if technically not perfect, it does a good job expressing the feeling.

>>1670813
your proportions are still messy, legs should be that long. look them up in loomis' figure drawing book and memorize them

>>1670396

Haha nope

i go to bed and as soon as i wake up *boom*

drawthread is on page 2. are you fucking serious guys?

>>1670862

oh i get it now

>>1670862
>>1670895

What?

>>1670901
even i get it.

>>1670533
Thank you, found this one.

>>1670501
What opacity do you use for these strokes? And do you go lower as you get into more detail?

>>1670501
What opacity do you use for these strokes? And do you go lower as you get into more detail?

>>1670447

howabout this little number right smhere? myes myes hidden gem I say.

would you like to become a demon too?

>>1670613
Frame 8 is the last interesting frame. Why is he smiling at frame 9?

>>1670675
>this is based on an outfit my ex used to wear when she wanted something
hhehe

>>1671361
Finally some response!
Because he finally got some company... I fixed this version so it doesn't look like she just leaves him hanging.. Even tho that makes for an interesting story too..

>>1671369

Anon, its appears that you're projecting some of your insecurities into that storyboard. :(

>>1671369
I am not the one who wrote the story in the first place, i just illustrated it

>>1671369
Ooh, nice i think i'm getting it now.