/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

from 8th grade to senior in high school

>1652586
I think you're going overboard with the soft brushes near the end. 7 looks good, then it becomes a bit of a blurry undefined mess.

>>1652612
Latter two I've been experimenting with soft edges (10 deliberately extreme), the polar opposite I was doing before. The next one I'm going to do I'm going to take hard brushes again and apply what I've learned with soft edges

>>1652586
>these threads are cancer

>>1652620
Elaborate
Before that though I'd like to add that I think these threads are a good way to observe how well you're doing. I posted in one of these last year and the feedback I got allowed me to find that I hadn't progressed well enough and put my work ethic and outcome into perspective for me.
It's also a good way to observe your strengths and weaknesses.
Nothing productive is cancer.

>>1652606
This isn't good progression man, your fundamentals are none existant

:))))

>>1652628
I would kill myself if this were me, legit

>>1652626
They don't teach Fundamentals in my school
They don't teach jack shit in my school actually
I just recently discovered /ic/ and have been slowly teaching myself since before all i had was animus
I completely agree with you, though

>>1652630
Looks like he's having fun though

>>1652631
Yeah, I don't think any art school apart from the best of best universities teach fundamentals any more. I'm not trying to discourage you or anything, just keep at it. I'd give you some pointers but at this stage there's nothing I can tell you that isn't in the sticky.
If you've only just discovered /ic/ then that's good, although the quality of work on /ic/ these days isn't as good as it used to be but I've got /ic/ to thank for turning me over to fundamentals and proper stuff.

If you want some perspective from people with real motivation and talent then I'd urge you to start a sketchbook thread on conceptart.org forums.
Keep at it and study hard

>>1652628
no matter how many times i watch that 3rd drawing in 2006 i cant understand it

what orange part is the arm and what is the body?, or is the body white and the arms orange, or maybe the orange part are their feets, idk man

>>1652645
>fat miku
kill me

>>1652645
I fucking hate this guy so much
He sucks dick and wont stop taking up space at local con's AA

>>1652646

>>1652649
I need to reformat this thing

>>1649739

>>1652628
nice 0/10 you got me

>>1652635
judging from my limited knowledge of mango expressions, I'd say it's supposed to be like this

>>1652628
jesus how can you draw for 6 years and not improve at all?

kek, kek never changes

Last time I posted people were bitching about me not making progress in the last 6 months so I guess I'll pass until I get something done again

I like the 4th one the best in the OP

>>1652829
>4th one
You kidding? That's one of the worst on his picture.
And why not post, the point in this board is crit. Would you rather motivate yourself to increase your progress or just be comfortable progressing too slowly?

>>1652831
I like the thumbnail the best at least. Something about the palettes and values in the rest make them much more uninteresting even though the brushwork is far better in the latest ones

>>1652840
Hey man, thanks. I think maybe it's the fact that the light was behind me and otherwise silhouetting my face that makes it more interesting. I actually really hated this one and got pissed off while doing it, but I'm glad someone else sees something in it.

>>1652843
>And why not post, the point in this board is crit. Would you rather motivate yourself to increase your progress or just be comfortable progressing too slowly?
Well I think got enough crit last time. I know where I'm lacking and I don't feel there's anything more to add to the topic before I've learned more

And yeah the light background and dark head in the foreground makes for a nice contrast, making the values much more pleasing to my eye at least. Also yellow + blue-ish colors in the background please my eye, I'm a sucker for warm blue & yellow together

part 1

>>1652953
part 2

2 month

bumpadoodledo

left is 2010 right is 2014

>>1653333

you work trad only? i think it looks great

>>1652586
left is 2008, right is 2012
age 16/age 20

>>1653335
Thanks, I am studying graphic design. I do a lot of web design and stuff like that

oh i have some self portraits to

>>1653345
no improvement in four years
I'm actually impressed

>>1653350
WRONG THREAD

I wish I drew more frequently so I could do these things.

>>1653357
Why wish for something you're totally capable of?
It's like someone putting a piece of cake in front of you and welcoming you to eat it, then saying "god damn I wish I could eat that piece of cake"

>>1653357
draw motherfucking more

>>1653358
I'm slow and when I actually finish something I spend ages on it. I don't really do sketches either, I tend to practice by polishing one picture for a long time as opposed to making a lot of quicker ones.
Difficult to changes habits.

>>1653362
So basically what you're saying is that you're lazy and don't want to make an effort?

>>1653349
What happened to headphones?

>>1653362
>I don't really do sketches either, I tend to practice by polishing one picture for a long time as opposed to making a lot of quicker ones.

>>1653366
i bought speakers lel

>>1653365
No, more like I spend a lot of effort on few pictures, so I only have few pics per time period to put in a compilation like this.

>>1653374
But this is wrong. You should be doing both. Sounds to me like an "it's my style" sort of argument.

>>1653374
There are people who paint a full, polished portrait of very high quality every single day

>>1653377
I don't really get the comparison.
>>1653378
Which I'm not able to do, that's why I said I'm slow.

>>1653380
>which I'm not able to do
Oh I see, you suffer from some sort of physical disability.

>>1653382

ADHD

I can't concentrate for very long.

>>1653387
>I can't work on short sketches
>I work on one piece for a long time
>I can't concentrate for very long

More evidence on why ADHD is a full of shit none-disorder

I think I need to stop drawing for fun
3-4 months and I went from terribad to just bad
also trigger warning for porn

>>1653387
Why are you pretending to be me, anon?
>>1653382
>I'm slow
What about this was unclear. or did you just want to be a smartass?

>>1653405
>trigger warning
What the actual fuck is this supposed to mean?

Furry development, or rather PS development. I don't actually even draw furry anymore, but I'm thinking of leaving my account be and sometimes drawing requests. That way, if I should ever hit the rock bottom in my life, I can make some money via furry commissions.

http://imgur.com/TNPrecJ

>>1653413
No, you're acting like you have some sort of physical disability. Why are some people able to make the effort and you're acting like you physically can't?

>>1653415
some tumblr thing
"triggers" are things that cause someone to remember an emotional trauma but tumblr uses it when they feel irritated by something

>>1653416
>you're acting like you have some sort of physical disability
You're the one that came up with that, I just said that I'm slow.

>>1653420
Jesus that's retarded. Is there anything that doesn't offend tumblr in the first place?

>>1653423
Could you stop talking about tumblr as if it were all one person? That offends me.

>>1653424

>>1653421
No. There is nothing stopping you from making the same effort as someone else. When I asked you why, you acted as though you had some physical reason for this. That's a disability. And if as you say that's not true, then what I originally said is true, you're just being lazy.

>>1653345
You've gotten considerably worse. I don't even know how that's possible

>>1653427
You're just clinging to the "physical disability" thing because you thought it was so clever in >>1653382
when originally I just said that I'm not able to "paint a full, polished portrait of very high quality every single day" because I work too slow for that. Read the posts again and think this time.

>>1653428
dude this is traditionnal. Theres a lot of skill difference needed to be able to blend stuff properly well, and a lot more of technical shit went into the second picture. i think

>>1653432
And you're just dodging the point by acting high and mighty. I'm not trying to be clever or trick you or anything, why don't you just accept the reality of it? If you're not here for criticism, why are you here?

>>1653405
Never stop drawing for fun, they keep creativity alive. Just spend more of your time on learning.

>drawing for fun
stay pleb

>>1653456
die

>>1653350
There was a visible quality jump in 2012. I think another one is due soon if you keep working.

>>1653466
keep watching Bob Ross.

>>1653487
>>1653466

i hear ic

>>1652649
>>1652650

Nice digital work. You've got a nice eye for value. You should study the figure more, though. Your perspective also needs work.

>>1652961

Not too bad. Did you color select those skin tones from a photograph, or did you pick them yourself? Try studying the skull. Knowing the underlying structure of the face has helped me a ton with portrait work.

>>1653405

Do you ever post in the Alternative Art threads? They'd probably enjoy your work. Honestly, you're not doing pretty well. Just learn some foundational anatomy to build your figures on.

>>1653405
The alien double-sword chick reminds me of Tina the Predator.

It's not really possible to judge progress from this, but I post anyways. My sense of form improved as well as my drawing speed.

>>1653756
WHat the fuck is that first character even supposed to be? The only one written remotely well is the u at the end.

>>1653686
i am pick them yourself

>>1654468
this is how handwritten ki is, it is not connected

>>1654533
Noo that is a ち, I have no idea how it ended up with 2 lines.

>>1653756
Have you been drawing nothing but penises for the last 5 months?

>>1654827
haha no actually, I just draw one time to time, like passing a milestone

don't die

Dunno if I went forward, or backward.

It's hard to find most of my really old art because I deleted most of it, but here's something I drew about four years ago. It's sickeningly saccharine with no variation in line weight, bug eyes that are laid on top of the hair and fairly awful shading (though it could be worse). I could barely draw real people back then too, and everything took me hours and hours to finish.

>>1657678
And here's how I can currently draw kawaii anime girls. Not as much process as I would have liked for four years (more like three and a half, actually), but at least I improved. I can also draw way better realistically than I could back then. Unfortunately I was ill for a couple of those years and didn't draw as much as I should have.

>>1657678
oh god I found an even worse one. This is painful to look at.

>>1657678
>>1657685
Shut up? These are fucking adorabluuuuh~

No, really they're cute and I like them.

>>1657678
its cute tho.

>>1657682
No progress at all. It seems to be like you're just trying to reject anime to make it seem like you know what you're doing, but you haven't practiced realism at all.
All I see is going from moeshit to generic anime.

>>1657641
You didn't move in either direction. It's no wonder /ic/ lacks in quality these days, not one of you shows any actual practice

>>1657694
Aww, really? Why do think that there isn't any process? Can you give me a reason?

I actually don't draw anime that much. I mostly draw realistically.

>>1657694
I mean, I really haven't progressed at all from >>1657685 to >>1657682? That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day if it's true.

>>1657706
you did progress but a little. post your realism stuff.

>>1657721
Okay. Man, I would rather hear "You have a long way to go, but you've improved" than "You haven't improved at all."

>>1657723
99% of us have a long way to go. I said you improved a little. You got full body maybe ? it looks unfinnished.

>>1657728
I don't, sorry. I just really want to know what made that anon think that I never draw realistically so that I can know what to work on. Is it the facial construction? Did I fuck up the anatomy somehow? I really want to get better.

wow this was fun to compile

I deleted everything I had from post 2012, and barely drew before 2014. Feels bad to have nothing to compare to.

>>1657762
Nice progression.

>>1657767
what progression? are we looking at the same thing here or are you blind?

>>1657772
It's not a massive progression by any means but there's a clear difference in quality between their earliest art and their newer art.

>>1657772

not sure if serious

>>1657762
Considering the last panel was done 3998 years AFTER the first panel I think your progress has been pretty bad, if anything you've gotten worse in that time

>>1657792

>>1657807
Whose progress is this? Not sure if I buy it, honestly.

>>1657809
pretty sure it's his/her, the one who posted that rendered ironman in draw thread several times.

>>1657807
8 years of drawing ironman

>>1657811
But 2014 just began two months ago. What the fuck? You would have to draw every waking hour to make this much progress is less than two years, wouldn't you?

>>1657815
no, learning to copy is not that hard.

>>1657807

>>1657807
The right one is just a study

>>1657816
Is it just a photo replication, though? Still impressive improvement either way, but significantly less so if it's just a photo copy.

>>1657818
Ah, gotcha. Still pretty cool, but I hope that you're drawing from your imagination and life a lot too.

>>1657823
no, i just want to copy photos for asspats, i cant draw for shit otherwise

>>1657826
I swear to god if I have to start tripfagging here because of you...

>>1657815
>Draw every waking hour

Pretty much.

>>1657818
Correct, although I did change a few small details, mostly in the angle of the face. Ref made RDJ look like a squashed, bloodied midget because his head was turned further than the helmet. Also the armour had no neckpiece.

>>1657823
Every day, although life drawing is proving problematic because I'm currently living in bumfuck nowhere and as of yet I haven't found any life drawing classes in the nearby areas.

>>1657831
Well, I'm impressed. I wish that I had the willpower to draw that much.

>>1657832
Do you have an art blog, by the way?

>>1657834
I have a Behance portfolio and a DeviantArt account I just started.

Honestly there's nothing on either of them yet, though. I need to sift through a load of old artwork and decide if any of it's worth posting.

>>1657832
Currently drawing my way through the entirety of Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. I may do a lot of drawing but I'm still human and lose the will to live/slack off every so often.

>>1652634
>fundamentals

Where can I find this?

Oldest drawing I could find and newest

>>1657831
life drawing has nothing to do with 'class' moroff

>>1657857
I actually like your coloring.

>>1657859
You know what I mean, 'moroff'.

Classes where you can draw from a live model.

>>1657857
>>1657862
yeah not sure about the subject matter but ur colourings rly nice

>>1657864
>leaving the house

How am I doing? I tried to pick my best works from each year, so the ones from 2013 are from later in the year. I feel like I have gotten a much better grip on composition, still a long way to go.

>>1657874
It sucks, especially living in an area this shitty.

But sacrifices are necessary to git gud.

I still struggle with conveying depth. Picking appropriate colors for lights and shadow as well. I need to find a way to incorporate the rich colors I used in 2013 back into my paintings without the risk of making everything look overblown.

>>1653405
learn anatomy, you don't know how much better your art will be once you learn the parts of the body and how they work together.

I'm getting better very slowly, but I hope that's going to change, now that I've gotten more serious about it.

I'm getting better very slowly, but I hope that's going to change, now that I've been getting more serious about it.

>>1657878
The 2014 ones look much more interesting, theres some definite improvement. Keep going like that!

>>1657896
Did you illustrate Kafka? (4.2013)
cool stuff m8

>>1658099
Yes. It was a a school project. Thank you!

>>1652586
I just posted this in the wrong place, whatever...
Almost a year between the two. I'm still bad but everytime i sucessful draw a self-portrait even a little less creepy than the last time I feel proud.

>>1652628
Holy shidi wish i could laugh

*cough*isuck*cough*

The thread seems to lack of serious critique.
Infact:
>>1657817
As a caricature i really like the 2006 lel

Sure; I don't have a lot of SP's to go through, but here's some selections. I think I actually spent the least time on the most recent one.

>>1658678
Also successful neckbeard in all three of these, for consistency, of course.

>>1658678
It's going backwards

>>1658678
looks like you were raped in 2011 and became the molesetor in 2014 bravo

>>1657641
>iRemeber

I wish I could punch you.

>>1658678
First one is far more interesting.

>>1653405
Nice job!

>>1658456
Thanks anon.

Have another Cruiseacature.

Another progression thing. It feels like I'm going backwards, since I hardly ever draw bodies anymore.

>>1659157
undeage b&

>>1659157
You need Loomis in your life, son.

>>1659157

>Global Rules
>2. If you are under the age of 18, or it is illegal for you to view the materials contained on this website, discontinue browsing immediately.

>>1658678
You are slowly becoming Bob Ross, keep it up.

meh

>>1658678
hehe fatso

Exposure to /ic/ has been killing my drive... strangely, when I look back, it feels like I'm drawing more though.

It has been a fun journey.

>>1660015
Can I see the full picture of the kid with the stick in 2014? Shit looks sick.

>>1660015

noice progress

>>1660018

>>1660021
Thanks

>>1660018
sure.

>>1660021
Thanks

>>1660026
Love it, thanks.

>>1660026
That.. yeah.. thanks, anon, for asking anon to post this.
This might be the second tab kicking in, but I love this painting.
<3

>>1657641
>Drawing from photographs.
You actually expect to improve?

>>1658439
stop drawing animu
>b-b-but m-muh style!..
Fuck your style.

>>1660292
Style emerges from skill.
>Fuck your style
Tell'em, Betty,

>>1660269
Your landscape and interior skills are quite gud... but you really need to to more figure studies, it's like they are drawn by another person (who is pretty bad)!

>>1653350
Jesus

>>1657840
the sticky

>>1657857
that pic to the right is incredibly hot

>>1652961

Do you like my bowl cut?

>>1653350
God damn that looks horrible.
This is some deformed uncanny-valley shit right here.

>>1657807
You keep posting this shit. It's the only thing you've posted.

It leads me to believe you can't draw from imagination.

It goes from left to right. critiques are appreciated.

>>1657857
Galneryus is the shit

>>1660026

>>1660026
I like looking at it, so many delicious flaws

>>1652631
improvement is improvement, you went from flat as fuck to having some prospective, and assuming you aren't drawing every chance you get, that isn't half bad.

granted, you need to learn how to draw prospective better, you need to draw how flexing and... the fuck is the other one... compressing? from what i can tell you have the head and face somewhat down, i would honestly suggest drawing a torso, arms to the elbows and legs to the knees. dont worry about hands or feet just get use to dealing with muscle.

>>1652803
by thinking you are good enough, only drawing once a month, or even thinking its a natural talent and you cant improve.

Same model, actually.

>>1653349
I liked what you were doing with your colors in the second picture.

>>1662064
. In 2012 you tried to depict reality. In 2014 you did a stylized drawing with seemingly little regard towards the model. It looks unfinished too.

>>1662071
Yeah, you're right. That probably wasn't a good example to post. I've been pushing towards stylization lately and that one got out of hand. Here's one that's truer to model, I should have used it instead. (Still incomplete, though.)

How would you suggest going about completing the piece on the right, by the way? I'm not sure exactly what I'd do with it.

>>1653414
Pls respond. ;_;

>>1662103
Study some anatomy and fundamentals. You don't understand how light interacts with form yet.

>>1658678

you probably give a hell of a blowjob

>>1662115

w-what

that's just weird man

>>1662115
Hahaha, this one actually made me laugh out loud. What a thread.

HELP i haven't improved since '08. Do I just paint more from life? My colored pictures which I will post in a second, look like shit.

>>1662792
I don't think it's fair to say I haven't improved at ALL since 07, but it's not at the rate I want to be improving.

>>1662792
>>1662796

loomis
gurneyjourney
muddy colors
artsammich's blog
ctrl paint
proko

you need the whole shebang anon. the entire fucking arsenal. gogogo.

>>1662797
My stuff come out marginally better when I use a reference, and I have worked with the realistic style for years, but I can't for the life of me translate that into drawing from my head...

>>1660453
There's a giraffe with the face of Tom Cruise by the same guy in this very thread...

Slowly but surely making progress. Maybe I can set up commissions soon? What do you guys think?

>>1663235
no.

>>1662797
Jesus H. Fucking Christ, shut the fuck up. Everyone knows about all that, repeating it makes you look like a goddamn retard.

>>1663239
And why should I not? Are there things I need to work on before I start commissions? I haven't taught myself too much about composition, so there's that.

>>1663244
>>1663235
no wonder you faggots shitpost about professional artists all the time, you've got no fucking clue what makes art good, you can't even tell when your shit's horrible.

>>1663247
It's fucking crazy. I see the shit so much I question if there is any authentic critique here.

>>1663241

i'm sorry anon. i will never repeat that ever again, i promise.

>>1663247
>>1663253
Well the reason for not really learning too much on that particular subject is because it feels a bit much for the time I have now. I'm still in high school (senior) and I've mainly been trying to focus more on perspective, lighting, rendering, anatomy, etc. Composition has yet to reach my table because of all the work that's on my plate right now, but when I have time during the summer, I do plan to do some learning on it. But this whole "I'm-so-busy-because-I'm-in-high-school," idea - for the record - is not an excuse, I know that... but it does hold back when I try to study art fundamentals and school subjects at the same time, if you get what I'm saying.

>>1663259
Composition is not your problem. Everything is your problem. Everything will always be your problem so long as you are an artist and you should never feel done learning about anything. You say you are focusing but you named 4 different things and tagged on "etc". If you want to get better you need to realize that you DO have the time. You always have the time. Never having time is a bullshit excuse for those who are impatient. It is just a matter of focusing your time wisely. Do some heavy reflecting on your art and your efforts. You know what? Do whatever you want. I and noone else can force you to care about improving your art, but at least try to understand where you actually stand before trying to market your shit.

>>1659183
no one will ever listen to this it's just legal back up

>>1663270
During these last two years I've practically given up video games, which was a pretty big part of my life to focus more on my art. When I tagged "etc." that was just an overall generalization on what I keep with my other works, which includes still lifes, photo studies, environments, so on and so forth. I do try my best to work on this every day because I know that hard work does pay off. And you're right, everything is my problem. And I'm going to let it be my problem unless I let my courage conquer my confusion. Where I am now, I do need to work a lot more, and I will work more.

lineart and anatomy still blows tho
gotta hit that loomis harder

>>1663290
>Demons getting their...

My mind is full of fuck now.

>>1663313

why else would he crop like that

>mfw

>>1663290
mind sharing, I'm actually curious.

>>1663320
I'm not.

>>1658087
thank you! I certainly intend to!

>>1657817
That made me laugh so hard, I started coughing.

>>1663323

make a thread on /d/ and link us

PLEASE

progress from this passed year. I'm really bad at capturing likeness, but these are all self portraits, ha. the most recent one actually kind of looks like me, though.

>>1663322

>>1663380
That some intense progression, how much have you been doing?
Interested in hearing how you're improving so well

>>1663508
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "how much have you been doing," but I just draw a bunch, I guess. I have a lot of influences and I spend a disproportionate amount of time just staring at art I like hoping that I'll learn some things through osmosis (which has worked at least a little bit). I don't have any sort of dedicated schedule and just draw/paint whatever interests me at the time! I might have improved more if I did have one of those hard core agendas, though. I try to experiment a bunch too, although I'm starting to worry if my improvement is being stunted by muh style or whatever

also I started going to art school in September which has definitely played a big part in my improvement lmao

>>1663508
Thanks for the kind words, bruv. It's nice to hear someone else say that you've improved-- it can be hard to see by yourself sometimes.

I'm not totally sure what you mean by "how much have I been doing," but I just draw a bunch, I guess. I have a lot of influences and I spend a disproportionate amount of time just staring at art I like hoping that I'll learn some things through osmosis (which has worked at least a little bit). I don't have any sort of dedicated schedule and just draw/paint whatever interests me at the time! I might have improved more if I did have one of those hard core agendas, though. I try to experiment a bunch too, although I'm starting to worry if my improvement is being stunted by muh style or whatever

also I started going to art school in September which has definitely played a big part in my improvement lmao

>mfw I had no progression

I'm a bag of shit.
Captcha: support ripsets

>>1652628
That is just totally made up. It's impossible not to improve. I get it, some people never get the anatomy right, but at least the line work should be smoother over the time and also she's (I presume) still drawing the same characters . Just not possible.

>>1664148

dude's a retard. as in, literal, retard.

Meh

starting out

i usually draw other things

>>1664223

Needs more Scott Robertson.

>>1664229
anything you recommend?

>>1664246

youtube.com/user/scottrobertsondesign/videos

everything.

>>1664246
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzc5ODk2NDA=.html
different anon but this video is very good, also by robertson

>>1664251
how has this helped you inorder for you to apply your experience in this guy on to me?

>>1664258

What does this even mean?

>>1664263
what gives you the right to bring him to me

how has he improved your artwork

i wish to know the self worth of your advice

pls don't laugh.
;_;

>>1664319
>animu shit

kek

>>1664319

you are not really trying to improve though, are you?

>>1664319
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkRwRDdajo

And have a good day

>>1664319
please start getting better, seeing nine years wasted makes me sad.

>>1660451
poster here can you at least explain why instead of lashing out at it :(

>>1664383
is this >>1664342 useful?

Pic on the left is something I drew in 2007 (13 yrs old) and the right is something I doodled today (20 yrs old). It's funny because the main improvement here is that I learned to draw dog lips

>>1653391
>>1653413
Not that guy but I have the same problem. I have ADHD too. But I'm lazy aswell. And I don't do many sketches just a few and then spend a lot of time on it. Don't know why. Have to stop doing that shit

>>1664577

Pretty damn good for 13. Sucks you haven't progressed at all.

>>1657695
Does the sticky give like a plan or something. Because I have no idea how to "actualy practice".

Some guy suggested that I read loomis and then read it again and then do the exercises. But I have no idea how to practice on my own.

>>1653336
nice holy shit.

>>1664577
Right is when I was 10 years old, left is when I was 16 years old.

how are you all so good?
i saw this thread and i was going to post some stuff because i thought i had improved a fair bit but most of you are just insane

>>1664711

can't make a living at this unless you are really really good.

>start to compile images
>realize I didn't make any progress in the last 4 years

I'm a fucking disaster

>>1664711
We drew

>>1664669

Yeah I know, i'm not a drawer lel

I just draw funky animals sometimes to cheer me up

the thing about this is the first one took me an hour and i was using a picture as reference and the second one like 30 or 25 minutes...

>>1665105
still drawing symbols but very nice, anon
2009 to 2014?

>>1665137
shut up betty edwards

>>1665137
>drawing symbols
what does it means?

>>1665183
Rather than drawing what an eye, or anything for that matter, looks like, you draw a generic representation of it.
Basically, drawing what you think something should look like rather than what it would actually look like.

>>1665183
Rather than drawing what an eye, or anything for that matter, looks like, you draw a generic representation of it.
Basically, drawing what you think something should look like rather than what it would actually look like.

>>1665183
Did you even read the sticky?

>>1665193
>>1665196
Is this thread devoted for realist art or why do you bring that up?

>>1665201
>Is this thread devoted for realist art or why do you bring that up?

You will never improve more than that if you keep thinking in this way

>>1665210
I'm not that guy. I don't even really draw. I want an actual answer.

>>1665216
Sameface syndrome, anon? Get over that!
Keep practicing :^)

>>1665216
all those front face, you need to vary it up anon.

Its been six months
Oh god i can't tell if I've improved at all
This might be a bad example though since the first has value and the second is only line

>>1665237
Draw from life

>>1665258
i've been in figure drawing class for like a month now ]:
i draw out of this stupid "comic artist's pose reference" book when I'm at work for practice though
its really bad pictures though.

>>1665265
damn wish I had figure drawing class around

>>1665265

I guess it depends on where you started, but you seem like you are doing just okay. your sketches are pretty earnest attempts at copying form, regardless of how successful you were. you might enjoy following along with mark's drawing tutorials on youtube. I've been following along with his videos, but this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHefdroQdDo gives a lot of helpful exercises that would benefit people who are not necessarily interested in a career in industrial design. his explanations are direct and consistent.

>>1663380
At first I thought you were drawing Frodo.

>>1665305
This is so simple and yet so helpful. I'm really enjoying watching it. Thank you.

>>1665216
I think I know you IRL. Are you female and part-Japanese?

I've been doing digital/using actual colors now for a year or so

I still need to work on actually finishing pieces and overall composition among other things.

>>1664319

You're the smug piece of shit that thought you could draw better than googum. I hate both of you, really, but you have the fucking audacity to insult someone because you think you're better than them.

You both have no sense of form. You both invent anatomy. You both lazily position hands hands so you don't have to mess with the fingers. You, however have your own set of bigger problems than he does.

You give your figures unnecessarily busy hair because you have no other idea to give hair volume without giving them fly-aways, like an amateur mangaka.

You only draw busts because you are afraid of legs, like an amateur mangaka.

You give your figures "chipmunk cheeks" because you have never drawn from life using a real human skull model and, therefore, have no understanding of what structures are there, like an amateur mangaka.

All of your protraits (this is an assumption, but I'm sure it's accurate) are at neutral 3/4 views because you use flat measurement to place features, or you don't measure at all because you just "wing it and redraw until it 'looks' right" like an amateur mangaka.

Your drapery is shit and drawn out of nothingness because you don't build or imagine forms and you simply skip straight to line work, like and amateur mangaka.

Finally, YOU HANG YOUR NOSES. Stop this right now. This is, again, is amateur mangaka shit that actually sees production all the fucking time and it makes those who actually know how to properly draw look bad.

I wouldn't be nearly as pissed if you weren't so fucking arrogant about your "waifus" on /vg/.

Do you really think that your work is production material?

Until you learn to take a step back, look at the mistakes that you've made, admit that you've made them, and work on fixing them, you can kindly go fuck yourself.

>>1665549

Forget about composition. Composition, in a sense, is one of the last things an artist needs to learn. In fact, you learn it as you go.

Continue to study color theory, but take a second look at value, and understand the concept of local value and how color affects this trait. Your colored works aren't taking this into account, making your colors look like they are conflicting with each other. Also, learn about how light affects color. Good luck to you.

>>1657807
if you saw his process, you know how uch of an autist he is

>>1665201
>>1665219
You seem to think that this rule only applies to realistic art, but this is not true. When drawing a stylized, simplified drawing a good artist still has the three dimensional shape of the thing in mind, even if you don't directly see it on the final image.
If you don't do that you'll end up unable to draw things from various angles and things just won't look as good.

>>1666581
unless you are pure cancer, then the anime thread is for you

>>1666489
thank you so very much
you are literally the first person to provide useful advise in a very long time. ive been learning things on my own and attempting to eyeball it and ive come close to giving up recently because it feels as though ive hit a wall in my progression

ill look into the sticky to find more resources on color theory. if you have any links that i can use i would appreciate it like no other anon
again, thank you so much

>>1666705

No problem. If you want, here are a few tips as well.

1. Saturation is directly related to levels of light. If you don't know already, saturation, or chroma, is the measurement of color intensity. The stronger your light source, the more "pure" your colors will appear. This is mainly the reason why pure blacks and pure whites look so unnatural: it's nearly impossible in a natural setting to have a pure white light. This brings me to my second tip.

2. All lights have a "temperature". Light naturally has a shift between two different perceived temperatures: warm and cool. Warm lights tend to be red and orange, while cool lights are blue and sometimes even purple. Light temperature directly affects all color in an image. You can find a perfect example of light temperature in action by shifting the "color temperature" setting on any computer monitor or television set you may have. You'll notice how the colors shift while still looking somewhat natural, depending upon environment.

3. All color has its own value. This is called "local value." Local value is the perceived value a color has in any given light. For example, while red appears to be a very bright color, red has, in fact, one of the lowest local values of the primary colors, making it appear nearly black when rendered in grey scale. Using this knowledge, you can pick and chose your colors more wisely, understanding that certain colors will, even in colored pieces, will appear darker than others.

4. Lastly, limit your palette. This is one of the biggest mistakes beginners make: they attempt to render a huge range of color in their pieces when it doesn't call for it. In ancient times, paint was incredibly expensive, and many artists were forced to paint with limited palettes lest their coffers ran dry. In hindsight, however, this was the best option, as limiting the amount of colors used allowed for greater expression and taught the masters of yesterday about color synergy. One of (con't)

>>1666734

(con't) the most important aspects of painting begins before you even grab a brush. Your palette can define your piece before you even begin. Generally, a good rule is to limit yourself to 5 colors and 5 values. In this way, you can not only feel more comfortable and less overwhelmed in the sheer options you are presented, but you can also focus on blend on the canvas to make new shades as needed, creating further depth in your piece when you, say, mix green and yellow to make a higher value color that's somewhere in between. This is something that will become more enjoyable as you practice, and it may even feel oxymoronic: when you limit your choice of colors, you'll feel like you have infinitely more choices than when you had access to the entire spectrum.

>>1666734
>>1666743

trying to avoid being "that guy" but all this technical stuff should be eaten with the small spoon nomsayin.

you can easily get too concerned with the physical accuracies of value / saturation, and forget that ultimately all that matters is that you create an amazing image. don't become a human 3d renderer. if there's a physicall correct value that creates too much contrast, drawing attention away from your focal point, you gotta go in there and say "fuck you physics and consistancy" and you gotta find a way to make it work, without the inconsistancy being obviou to the viewer.

>>1666764
indeed. the worst thing is when people do things wrong because they know the technical rule and they let that override their actual observations.

a good example of that is the warm light/cool shadow thing, where you see people putting blue/violet shadows everywhere.

>>1666782

I'm not so sure I understand your example. Could you explain or post a picture?

>>1666782
>people putting blue/violet shadows everywhere.

i do that lol :<

but u gotta start somewhere

>>1666784
no, but i did find a shadow which is actually purple, due to the reflected light from the red bench. and the blue sky obviously.

cool, eh?

>>1666807
there's also some green where the light has travelled through the leaves there at the front. the purple is on the ground and it's mainly red on the wall.

>>1666734
>The stronger your light source, the more "pure" your colors will appear.
Can you explain what exactly do you mean by pure?
Do you mean highest color intensity? (saturation)

>>1666784

not him but this is an example when i started understanding that you need to bend the rules for the sake of the image, i started rendering the pony thing and it looked terrible if i properly applied the light, so i kinda just messed around until i got the form to read nicely. the lighting of the planes and cast shadows make zero sense physically though lol.

>>1666838

nice photo paintover

>>1660461
Right apple is shaded better and is more interesting, but the overall shape of the apple is lost up close. Obviously your faces have improved.

>>1666973
theres always a moron like you in every thread...It just shows you don't know any better...

>>1667083
and they're always accusing things that are obviously not paint-overs. and you know if they're making that accusation they can't draw but their probably tooling around all the other threads spreading bullshit. much hate.

>>1652586
youre so ugly op

>>1660462
yop this the shit right here

>>1667126

lol jelly faggot teen with no beard growth and small penor detected

come back when you have reached man status babby

>>1667377
>look at me and my beard Im a man now


top xD

>>1667377
not that anon, but OP has a baby face without the beard and growing a beard is a sign of insecurity (also, dat retort).

>>1667383
>growing a beard is a sign of insecurity
lel feminists

>>1667383

No, it's a sign that he grows facial hair.

Allowing your body to naturally do what it wants isn't something you can psychoanalyze, you stupid fuck.

>mfw there are people like you who think they can uncover someone's personality based on how they write or what color they dye their hair

>>1667377
OP here just thought I'd let everyone know this wasn't me

>>1653362

Suggestion if you want to improve at a dramatically faster rate, even though it may take some time to get used to:

Switch your usual method for personal/fun drawing to loose unfinished sketches (holding your pencil on its side helps a lot in this regard), and LOTS of them. Buy cheap newsprint paper so that you don't have to worry about using expensive sketchbook paper on this. In addition, use this time to practice subjects that you find challenging. Go outside of your comfort zone as much as possible.

Use most of the time you spend on polishing a single picture on doing studies of master drawings (by Durer, Raphael, Da Vinci, etc. Pic related for an example. Don't worry about getting it absolutely identical, but try your best to replicate the drawing. If it's too difficult, take a break from it and come back later.

For those studies I suggest using toned paper (i.e. quality colored paper, preferably tan, grey, or blue), a 6B graphite pencil, and a white charcoal pencil. Use the tone of the paper as your midtone and add the the light and dark values with your tools.

>>1667648
Not the quoted but doing still life and sketching poses on posemaniacs will help too? Like, if I draw 8 hours per day
I'm on the same boat of that anon

>>1657831

You don't have to take a class, have access to models, or even have to exactly copy what you see. Just go to where people/animals/etc. are and draw them.

I'm sure there's at least cattle you can draw if you live in the middle of nowhere.

>>1658433

There's definitely improvement there, but they both feel a bit flat.

Find some ways to work on seeing value. Studying master drawings using toned/colored paper, a soft graphite pencil, and white charcoal is extremely helpful in that regard. Doing still life is also a great practice for seeing light and shadow.

Also, two things about your line quality:

1) LOOOOTS of chicken scratch. Work on having more confident lines (doing practice with pens/permanent markers helps). There's some FZD video on this that's also very helpful.

2) The value and thickness of your lines seem a bit indecisive. I don't know exactly what to tell you on this, though. Someone want to weigh in?

ALSO, if you're mostly doing loose, sketchy drawings try primarily holding your pencil on its side.

>>1667652

Posemaniacs and its ilk are wonderful (especially for pencil mileage), but do gestures from life as well. Go to a dog park and do simple gestures of their movements (don't worry about it being perfect, just capture the FEEL/idea of their movement). Go to a restaurant/coffee shop/plaza/wherever lots of people are and do rough gestures of people sitting, walking around, etc. Get a cat. Find whatever you can find that's breathing, and draw it.

And yeah, still life is definitely something I'd tackle every now and then. Especially if you want to practice value (it helped me a lot).

I did this about a month ago, the one on the left of course. The challenge was to only use a hard round, and the soft, round airbrush thing. I think it turned out well, and it made me feel a little better about my progress.
Something interesting is that, I painted the original in about 1000 x 1300 resolution, and I gotta say to you all, as a wod of warning; Don't ever do this. Fucking shit, so much pain and suffering was had.
That said, I need to do better this year than last.

>>1652628

>>1667709
nice. can i see some personal work ? Curious to see how it compares

>>1666496
Love you too, anon.

>>1667856
Sure thing.
I thought it would be a little fun to compare a couple environment-illustration-y things over the years as well.
None of them were finished , and I guess they'll never be.

>>1662792

One thing that's definitely noticeable in 14' is that your drawings have more life and personality to them. There's more evidence of construction and drawing with forms as well.

I mean, yeah there's a lot of room for improvement, but I'd say that you've made a good jump from 13' to 14'. Just keep on truckin', research and study what you have trouble with, and push forward, man.

One thing I'd suggest is (apologies for being a broken record >>1667648) doing studies of master drawings. You'll learn a lot through the process of doing attempts at copies.

>>1662792
>>1662796
Wat
You clearly improved since 2008. You improved at least up till 2012. That 2011 colour work is pretty bad compared to the later ones.
Your stuff is pretty good, I think you reached the point where you should be more ambitious with your projects. Draw multiple characters, backgrounds, characters in action, etc.