/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

stylistic choices

>>1642293
I mean shit taste. Teeheeh

Because only artists will even notice the flaws anyways.

>>1642306
how can you NOT notice how broken Ariel's spine is in that picture?

>>1642310
If I wasn't drawing the human body all the time I probably wouldn't have noticed. And I probably wouldn't give a shit either, it's a cartoon.

I'm more worried about her skin infection.

it looks like she's cut in half.

>>1642312
i am not drawing the human body all the time and i can see that this position is far form normal

>>1642318
Congratulations.

>three different signatures

This "boob + ass" posture is so uncomfortable to look at too

>>1642291
Because it makes my penis twitch you fat dyke.

>>1642291
>>1642342
In these cases I think it's just poorly drawn, I don't think it was done on purpose. Reminds me of pic related

>>1642351
but why would you... like... work so much on colors and stuff when you don't really draw correct anatomy? Isn't correct anatomy the basics?
Even if you make it more stylized, there are still some things you can't just overlook...
Or maybe the coloring is made by another person?

>>1642353

Because he gets paid for it. Duh.

>>1642351
Butt+boobs poses and poses with broken spines are so common that I'm convinced that they're made on purpose. If you just throw in some tits and ass in your pics then fanboys will hardly complain about your laziness or poor skills, so why waste time and energy on making a real effort or improving?
http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/tagged/rubber-spines/chrono

>>1642291
Do you throw the same kind of fit when you watch anime, or a Mickey Mouse cartoon (ermagerd only 4 fingers!), or read, like, 99% of comic strips?

It's artistic license. Lessening realism and moving towards the iconic or abstract as a conscious aesthetic choice. If that honestly confuses you then might I suggest you stay away from any modern art exhibitions, you might have an aneurism.

If what you REALLY wanted to say was "hurf durf, damn patriarchy presenting women as impossibly attractive" then piss off back to Tumblr.

>>1642342
Yeah, obviously that kind of pose is completely impossible in real life.

>>1642375
So you present an image photoshoped to hell and back as proof that it's real? Honestly?

>>1642382
it's not a comfortable position by any means, but it's certainly possible to do.

This thread is filled with landwhales, it's time to abandon

>>1642363
I was going to say, as >>1642370 mentioned, a lot of times the back is arched to exaggerate the figure or to show motion, especially in comics and cartoons. If you have studied any form of figure drawing (especially pinups), a lot of those poses aren't even impossible. Maybe unnatural, but not impossible.
>inb4 talking smack about Elvgren

>>1642382
That one is possible. Look in the mirror and try it yourself

>>1642394
Yes it is possible. But that specific image is not one that should be used for evidence since it's a composite.

I can do the pose. I am fairly flexible. I understand that it is appealing to males and lesbians. However it's uncomfortable as fuck and I do not know why artists depend on it so much. Show some creativity which goes beyond your dick man.

I also do not understand why IC is defending this shit when "LOOMIS" is shouted constantly and anatomy seems to be the only fundamental that anyone cares about.

>>1642306
This

I only started noticing flaws when I got into live drawing. Normal people won'
t give a shit.

>>1642291

In comics and animation, there is a concern with capturing motion at their apex. The average human body is far more flexible than you think, capable of twisting and bending in very extreme position for a fraction of a second. Certain position cannot be achieved without momentum. Those who are fit or have certain genetic traits are even more flexible. Comics and animation in general concern themselves with exemplary characters, not the average.

Most often, the problem with "broke back" drawings isn't that the back is actually broken, but that the pose is applied to an otherwise stationary character.

>>1642291
I fixed her ribcage...

And to people saying that only artists notice this kind of shit: nooo.....

>>1642413
Correct. Then problem is then the static nature of the images.

Pic related, if this was a drawing /ic/ would call it rubber spine.

>>1642405
>I also do not understand why IC is defending this shit when "LOOMIS" is shouted constantly and anatomy seems to be the only fundamental that anyone cares about.
>Yes it is possible.
>I can do the pose.
That's about it. If it's possible (and you are a regular person without particular body problems) then it's anatomically correct.
That's what LOOMIS means. It does not mean a pose that doesn't rustle your feminist jimmies.
Get over it.

>>1642306
Yeah that's pretty true, never gave a crap before I picked up drawing

>>1642420
Couldn't you have chosen a less cheese pizza image

I mean it illustrates the point well but...

>>1642392
Yes, the back is very bendy backward and forwards, but the thing people have a problem with is twisted backs, when you get a perfect view of both tits and both ass cheeks in the same picture. If you try to do that then you'll end up in a wheel chair.

>>1642405
I'm not a male or a lesbian and it's appealing to me, it's just interesting to look at

>>1642430

It's not possible for the average person, you're showing the front planes of opposite sides.

While you can do the pose to a degree, you shouldn't be able to see both breasts at the same time.

yeah it also happens in anime

>>1642405
>However it's uncomfortable as fuck
It's an "about to" pose, it means that the character is not sitting there in the pose for minutes but she is about
to do some action related to the pose. Many poses are both possible and impossible depending on the situation that you
put them in, as >>1642413 said.

>>1642462

Stand in front of a mirror. Turn 90 degrees completely to your left. Then put your right leg forward, and turn your face toward the mirror, and tell me what you see. If you don't see both your butt and your sternum, then you are either an owl or a barbie doll.

Look, if you want to say it's sexist, go ahead. I think it's fair to ask why it's almost always women who are drawn like this in comics. But don't turn this into an anatomy debate, because that's not what it's about.

>>1642476
>almost always women
I don't know about that, there are a lot with men

>>1642482
hrrngngng that is one sexy pictures

moar?

>>1642486
I don't have a lot of guys like that because I'm not gay

I just tried the pose, I could see my whole ass, one boob and the other boob from profile. I'm pretty flexible but I guess professional gymnasts can do it even more exaggerated, and super heroes would pretty much be way beyond that level, since most of the time they aren't even human. Now I understand that women feel threatened and uncomfortable with how women are/were portrayed, but seriously, just a while ago the "girl gamer" was a mythical being. Only now are there enough female consumers in these hobbies that they are starting to make some changes to fit their needs, up till now they were fitting the needs of mostly teenage boys. What do you expect?

>>1642468
By average I mean not a contortionist, overweight or with actual physical problems. It's absolutely possible, I can do it and I'm a male (naturally less flexible in the pelvis areas than girls for "making babies" biological reasons).
It's easier than a split, which I can't do, and many people can't do, but also many average females can (I'm not American, sorry if my standards are too high). Are you saying that shouldn't be represented either?

>>1642497
>Now I understand that women feel threatened
I on the other hand never understood how someone can feel threatened by the fantasy of the other,
let alone feel like they have to stop it or censor it.

>>1642291

Becaust you artists think only 1 position is the right one, and that peope are stiff manequins who cant bend or look odd.

As long as the anatomy is correct.

Protip, people can be in akward poses, and are way more bendy than most think. You can especially notice that during falls/slow motion videos of impacts, where the victim was perfectly fine but bent in a way humans shouldnt bend.

Here i attached a picture of a poor girl with an obviously broken back.

>>1642457

Is the first thing you think off when you see a picture of an underage girl something sexual?

I think you might be the problem here and not the anon who posted it.

>>1642291
>>/co/

>>1642505
Because women care a lot about being attractive, and they care a lot about what their boyfriends think, do not confuse this with fashion though, it's all about their bodies and face, physical beauty that they are born with. When they see women like this all the time they start feeling ugly and unattractive and become insanely jealous or just depressed, that's what drives them into trying to stop and censor it. I personally don't feel this way and stuff like fat acceptance and censorship of the hot female body piss me off, especially because it all comes from the amount of insecurities girls have which in my opinion comes from weakness in character and the idiotic amount of attention that is given to physical appearance instead of intellect etc. No magazine or comic book is responsible for making women want to look beautiful just because they provide beautiful women to look at.

>Used to like hentai
>Start lurking /ic/
>Look up hentai now
>Notice tons of flaws in every picture I see
>mfw

>>1642523
Fantasy should be a cathartic process and we should not actually tie it to reality. I go to my fantasy worlds to be in my perfectly
ideal situations to get a bit away from reality,i never expect any woman to look like my phantasies and that's only natural i think.
If they have such a problem then it's their own problem and should not try to solve them by taking away a basic human right as
freedom of expression.

>>1642531
Time to find better artists, you filthy casual

>>1642532
I agree with you completely, it's just that I know how they think and why. I don't. I also understand that men don't expect perfection and this is something I think 90% of girls don't understand.

>>1642534
It's still just their problem, and I don't see why anyone should care about over-grown babies

>>1642534
>I also understand that men don't expect perfection

Lol. Just look at some of the other boards here. If you're not under 20, slim with huge tits and a cute face and a virgin, then most guys think you're repulsive trash.

>>1642552
>wanting a manchild from 4chan and caring what they think
hahahha pls

>>1642555
Men outside of 4chan also want perfection, though.

>>1642551
No one really does care, remember that senran kagura article about how sexist it is and no one should buy it that everyone on /vg/
was talking about? same with dragons crown it did unexpectedly well in preorders. Dogs that bark don't bite

>>1642552
>>1642560

...I hope you're not being serious my dear. Why would anyone take the other boards seriously?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, that being said there are many different ways to be beautiful that does not involve looks and idealized proportions. This is an unhealthy way to think to be stressing over how you look and such. Stop it.

>>1642560
and they all don't have the same idea of perfection, and are willing to settle for close enough, just like women

>>1642560
But i don't expect perfection anon, because i know that they can't reach it, so i stopped caring about real women a long time ago. How is this bad for them?

>>1642523
Why the fuck do you men have to make everything about you?
I am the OP and I didn't post this because of OMG INSECURITIES. I posted this because I truly feel it's idiotic to make such drawing mistakes when they can, on the other hand, work colors fantastically.
The world doesn't evolve around you, believe it or not.

>>1642668
But it does...

>>1642670
It doesn't you dipshit

>>1642670
kill yourself

I get more bothered by Cambell's same face than his anatomy.

>>1642668
You should just shut up fat bitch.

>>1642682
I am not fat nor a bitch. Good try

>>1642682
Can't we all just get along? Group hug <3

>>1642668
We've already established they aren't mistakes

>>1642523
are you trying to tellme the woman are so fucking retarded, to let the media influence what people think about her or her body?

>>1642685
Post pic then

>>1642704
sure, here are my tits

>>1642704
WHY WON'T YOU POST PIC YOU CLOSE MINDED PARASPECIES STARE RAPING, CISGENDER-ELITIST SCUM

>>1642708
Cisman would be a great superhero.
With privilege comes great responsibility.

>>1642668
Well I'm not even a man, there are other girls out there that can watch hot girls in porn and skinny models on the runway and not feel threatened. Actually women objectify women as much as men by calling them out on their looks, that's where the "real woman" crap comes from.
In comic books their spines get broken cause it's hot. It just doesn't look wrong in the same way that their simplified face doesn't look wrong even though it's physically impossible. The closest would be someone like Valeria Lukyanova and a lot of people think she just looks creepy.

>>1642707
post your boobs.

>>1642732
Make love to yourself in a furnace, you insensitive victime-erasing, smallfat-normative LOSER.

>>1642732

>quickly checks
Yep, the kitchens still there...now GIT

>>1642306
I didn't notice how badly warped J. Scott Campbell's women were until Danger Girl. Though I always noticed how disproportionate a lot of women are drawn in art a looooong time ago.

Men of different races, cultures, and ethnicities focus on different things when drawing women. For white men this is the optimal woman so they draw her in such a fashion. This is why I, assume, that to a lot them they won't notice. Women do though.

>>1642375
It's not impossible to do, but have you tried standing in that pose and talking? It's like super retarded.

>>1642392
That looks like a sexy human being. The other on top is a travesty.

I a hope a realization has been reached by jelly D/ic/ks that he breaks anatomy on purpose because its more interesting and is " cheesecake" art. I do not approve of Genzoman and his idea of cheesecake.

>>1642291
people do as if it's ok to make girls have no organs and broken backs, as long as the picture is "pretty."

there answered, people like pretty pictures.

>>1642505
>I on the other hand never understood how someone can feel threatened by the fantasy of the other,
let alone feel like they have to stop it or censor it.

I assume that people who say things such as this don't see themselves in media very often or are in the media very often...or ignorant as fuck.

What and how the media portrays people is very important as it's shapes what people and the society at large think about things. Example, white people in the media are portrayed with a healthy dose of variety, white men more so. Could you imagine a a world where the only white people you would see in the media would be of the Honey Boo Boo variety? Everyone would think that white people were fucking fat ass white trash idiots. This, even though they do the same to every other race of people.

Look at the recent James Bond movies. Richard Cohen complained that Daniel Craig was too buff and it made him feel insecure. He felt that by showing James Bond as being ripped as fuck that it would convince women to be attracted to ripped older men rather than to out of shape older men. That is some fucking hypocrisy if I ever read any.

So you may think it's fantasy and a lot of it is, but the big problem comes from when EVERY SINGLE IMAGE of a certain demographic are portrayed the same. With no variety people begin to think that this is the way these people are supposed to be. Why? Because people are fucking idiots.

>>1642794
>J.Scott Campbell
>master of anatomy

Oh boy is that a hoot.

>>1642797
>EVERY SINGLE IMAGE of a certain demographic are portrayed the same
>things that have never happened

>>1642420
Needs more Loomis. Clearly fake and gay. Do you even anatomy, kid? Back to the sticky with you. You're only making that pose because it's cheap cheesecake. Real men like meat, only dogs go for bones!

>>1642802
My bad it's usually like 2-3 variations/stereotypes. Though females above 18 in comic books are usually:
- skinny/hourglass
- really fat
- old

All the while portrayals of men run a pretty huge gamut.

>>1642668
Oh, I'm sorry, obviously everything is about YOU.

>>1642746
Goddamn. Post your knockers.

>>1642797
No, this is a problem in America where people are obsessed with the media, not everywhere else. Your problem is that you need to stop yourself from being influenced by these things in such a way and teach kids to be strong minded and to go fucking play outside. A tv show or a magazine is not hurting you by existing and it most definitely isn't the fault of good looking people that you feel bad. You basicaly made people into absolute disgusting retards whose existance depends on tv, incapable of their own opinion. Hot women on tv don't bother me, no one can make me feel insecure by being good looking, I don't objectify women I see them as succesful models or actresses and I'm happy for them. Why can't you? You don't need to be pretty, no one NEEDS it, you only cling to that if you don't have other more important qualities.

>>1642811
if you insist

>>1642799
Dumb as shit... People break anatomy all the time, doesn't make them masters. League of legends illustrations destroy anatomy so bad because it is cooler to look at. I hate you /ic/ you have become full of parrots who watch a YouTube video, and immediately put on you berret and sit in front of your computer, SIP your gay espresso, put on some Beethoven, clear your throat, and scream at the top of you lungs loomis.

>>1642812
I do agree that US is obsessed with media, but I have hard time believing that media doesn't influence people outside of the US.

Especially when such people from a country are only familiar with what they see portrayed on the white media that they are being fed.

>>1642825
>.People break anatomy all the time

Yeah they do, but those who know what they are doing can make it happen without it looking do painfully awkward, or awful.

>>1642827
I apologize and concede all my arguments, I'm sorry for saying you guys scream loomis. I am defeat.

>>1642826
Things spread, and this really shouldn't. I mean people in my country that are older or don't spend time on the internet have no idea who Miley Cyrus or Kim Kardashian are. The media influences first world countries, but the US is number one hands down, in Europe it's less but still there, but then you have the rest of the world and countries like Iran that no one even thinks of. You have women whose biggest issue is fucking self esteem and they think it's tearing them apart, they wouldn't even think about the problems women face in Iran, the portrayal of women in the media is definitely not sometihing they would give a shit about.

>>1642829
i like boobs

Blame the art director he said this is good #highfive #masterpiece #hemademoremoney #youworkatwalmart

>heteros complain about sexualizing women in art
damn it's good to be gay. watching Tumblr makes me sad for men sometimes.

>>1642898
the problem is not that they're sexualised but that they're only sexualised if you're a hormone monster [teenager] if you're a man the disconnect between those things and real women is so obvious that it just makes the images grotesque. the illusion doesn't work because you can more easily take your eyes off the boobs and hip to waist ratio. they don't have to be big fat women with small boobs or whatever, they just need the weight of reality.

>>1642843
>#hemademoremoney #youworkatwalmart
I know you meant this in jest, but these are legitimate arguments.
The best concept artist is the one that makes the most money, no exceptions, it's just a job at the end of the day.
If you're not drawing/painting whatever the fuck you want and selling for big money whenever you want then as an artist you don't matter. Simple.
Nobody cares if your generic concept piece for some shitty video game is slightly more anatomically correct than the next guy's generic concept piece for some shitty video game.

>>1642903
lol

Too bad that hormone monster are the only ones who spend money on art. Real men are busy not wasting money on art.

>>1642912
on video game art certainly.
real art is a different story. unless your definition of a real man is like a blue-collar guy.

>>1642291
The main thing in every fap related art is face and skin tone, if you can make pretty face and good skin tone then other stuff is just matter of opinion. I personally hate when artist trow boobs asses and vags at me, genitals can't make my boner (except good close-ups, i can't stand it), but good gesture, face emotion, overall quality and interesting character can. That's why i hate most of western porn, they make whore-like boobmonsters without personality who jump on every cock with no complain.

>>1642923
sorry to break it to you weeb-san

but you're gay

>>1642923
Not all western artist are bad, but I get what you mean. Whoreish boob-monsters aren't hot.

>>1642927
not that that drawing is a boob monster, is actually suppose to illustrate a well done drawing which happens to exhibit big breast

>>1642903
>the problem is not that they're sexualised but that they're only sexualised if you're a hormone monster [teenager]
The problem is in your head, tumblr grill. The way anyone can sexualize women is simply none of your buiseness. An definitely you have zero rights to force any artist to draw the way your tiny brain wants.
>if you're a man
>if you're a man
>if you're a man
>durr hurr be a real man
Lol fucking kill yourself, cunt

>>1642938
i'm a man you dickhead, and i didn't mean it in a poetic way, i meant the adult version of a boy.

project much?

>>1642291
>you can literary draw anything on paper disobeying any law of nature and common sense


>hey guys lets constraint ourselves with accurate anatomy and boring possible pose!

>>1642700
>are you trying to tellme the woman are so fucking retarded, to let the media influence what people think about her or her body?
Not that anon but your butthurt comment makes me think that they are.
Every time i see this ZOMG THIS GIRL IS SO SEXY IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE AN OBJECT thread i loose some parts of hope in humanity

>>1642945
this. Tumblr feminists trying to castrate imagination pissing the crap of me so much even if i don't find any woman sexy and half-feminist myself. (i say half because don't want to associate with this kind of people)

>>1642945
>this
also, check out this cutie

>>1642942
you're not a man if you think that way.

>>1642954
idk ,i have everything that makes you a man, a wife, a son, a job. but i suppose finding weird twisted anatomy sexy does makes you more of a man then those things, lol.

>>1642957
>i have everything that makes you a man, a wife, a son, a job.
You are not a man. Just some possible white middle class male who fills his head with self-deception.

>>1642957
Do you have a penis?
Yes -> You're a man
No -> You're a woman
And then there's the whole transsexual thing too.

>>1642964
>And then there's the whole transsexual thing too.

those whiny freaks will never matter.

>>1642963
only 4chan would say having a wife is a form of self-deception and jackin' it to drawings is the manly path.

>>1642964
boys have penises, so, wrong.
so do a variety of animals, which also aren't men.

>>1642970
>only 4chan would say having a wife is a form of self-deception and jackin' it to drawings is the manly path.
Only a complete looser will think that being a man is having something that was made by sex or gaining money by sitting in office.
Just leave.

>>1642972
I swear m8, how the fuck could you miss the point this badly.

>>1642977
not to mention that animals with dicks are simpy animals with long vaginas. happens in human world too.

>>1642974
i work in a studio not an office. and money is great you should try having some sometime, you can give it to your wife and she can spend it all ha :D

>>1642981
>money is great you should try having some sometime, you can give it to your wife and she can spend it all ha :D
Yeah this is definitely a Real Man's meaning.
What a fag.

>>1642983
well if you don't like it you can go upstairs and ask your mom for a hug or something :p

>>1642984
>upstairs
I never understood that leaving in the basement thing. Is it an american tradition or something? a form of punishment?
i get it that lots of people live with their parents because of different reasons but why the basement? didn't they have a room
growing up?

>>1643006
i think it's because basement is a very... "My Own Place" - like. You can decorate it like your own place and live in it without mom/dad walking everywhere or seeing them watch TV.
Im not from USA but i see photos of people and their youtube videos and this whole Basement thing looks like a fake "my own house" to me.

I mean think of it - he lived in his room for all his years. Probably he wants to change the atmosphere a bit but has no job and ends up living in the basement.

>>1643012
As somebody who lives in a basement, I hate that.

Because I'm not living in my God damn parent's basement, just renting an above-decent one. I pay my bills and buy my own food, dammit ;_;

>>1643014
just question then... why do you live in a basement? why not upstairs?
again may be my foreign problem of understanding. Because renting a basement sound a bit...Hobo-like. but i guess it's a nice looking one.

>>1643018
A basement is really just a room underground.
It doesn't mean it's dusty and smelly and has spiders everywhere.
It's just like a room anywhere else in the house.

>>1643026
It has no windows

>>1643018
i live in a basement room too but its the basement of a large building, its cheap and pretty much an underground apartment, bigger than the ones above me

>>1643029
They can have windows

What the fuck is going on in this thread? Take it to /pol/.

>>1642952
the term you are looking for is humanist, you want equal rights for all, not just female rights.

>>1642945
sure, you can call a fucked up looking picture that if it was real would be incredibly painful/impossible without life debilitating injury an artistic style, but keep in mind that other people will call it shitty art and you have no idea how the human body works because you broke their back to get that pose.

>>1643304

>but keep in mind that other people will call it shitty art
lol, oh no

>you have no idea how the human body works because you broke their back to get that pose.
if that how you chose to look at it. really depends on what said artist is trying to convey

>>1642668
Actually, colours and inks were done by 2 different people. This goes for most of his stuff.
(Source: http://fav.me/d6dl81z))

>>1643367
this guy's style sucks

>What and how the media portrays people is very important as it's shapes what people and the society at large think about things. Example, white people in the media are portrayed with a healthy dose of variety, white men more so. Could you imagine a a world where the only white people you would see in the media would be of the Honey Boo Boo variety?

You're asking the wrong question. If artists want to draw women like this it is completely up to them, what's with freedom of speech and all. Who you need to complain to are the people that hire them to draw exactly this for their illustrations and comics.
As a fellow knocker-owner myself I don't like the drawing style of this particular guy at all, but I principally don't mind stylistic exaggeration either.

>>1642945
>you can literary rape any woman you see on the street disobeying any rule of law


>hey guys lets constraint ourselves with consensual sex and boring possible pose!

can vs. should

>>1643399
And the discussion is recycling again. Why shouldn't i make a drawing of a female with very unrealistic
proportions to meet my liking?Because some people will take it personally? then they can stop taking it personally and learn the difference between fantasy and reality.

>>1643414
>Because some people will take it personally?

Exactly. In this Modern Libertarian Progressive Society your rights end where MY FEELINGS begin!

>>1643239
>open a window in a basment
>dirt and mud flows in drowning you without mercy

>muh realism
When did /ic/ become so shitty?

>>1643419
......Where the fuck have you be-oh I see what you did there.

>>1643416
>what are these mysterious things?

>>1643447
wow, what a great view, must be perfect sitting at your pc next to the window
to watch dirt and plastic.

>>1643447
>A faggot lives there

>>1643447
If a dog shits there, the whole room will be smelling dog shit.

.

>>1642291
you know those paintings where the horses have impossible leg formations, but it describes the motion better?

These are a bit like that. The impossible body, like she's moving towards the viewer like a snake.

>>1643447

Wouldn't that fill up with water really badly

>>1643304
>>1642420
Humans can stretch more than you think
>>1643399
There is a big difference between raping someone and drawing a picture that someone doesn't like, I know you were joking but some people actually do think like that
It's easy to tell those people haven't been raped, it's even offensive to people who have really been raped
The only thing that's bothersome for me though, is those whiners trying to control everything, >>1642291 go get raped, it might loosen you up a bit

>>1643458
How is a dog going to shit in that?

>>1642825

>League of Legends illustrations
>cool
>not completely garish with all of those fugly proportions and colors

>>1643844
2 or 3 years ago, sure. The more recent art is fine.

>>1643304
You automatically assume a lot of shit. I may believe in Jesus but I'm not going to spew it in your face 24/7. Same apply's to how an artist uses anatomy. Maybe they DO know anatomy and have decided they enjoy drawing things more unrealistically

>>1642564
But perfection is the only thing you can't reach, so why not be the first one to do it?

>>1642375

It is. your image is photoshopped.
I bet you think cities grow under football fields too.

>>1643781
>get raped, it might loosen you up
I see what you did thar you bastard

wow this thread is really fucked up.
the thing i learned is - Amerifat Woman is very retarded. especially when it's a young woman that also is "artist" (as she imagines).
and like that fag in previous comments im secretly happy to be a nonheterosexual person. I can draw anything i want just because i don't need to link my life to a female and her super-Ego.

>>1643993
Yeah for whatever reason women see this as an attack on their person.

Instead of discovering the joys of erotic art themselves.

>>1642829
omg theres a smiley guy fae in the bg

>>1644003
when you see it

>>1642815
Post your human, female, mammary glands.

>>1642306
Huh.

Never thought about it that way.

>>1644016

so, a female did this picture. she also makes splash art for lol with all the "impossibly" proportioned broken girls. sometimes you should really ask yourself, how come other women aren't bothered with this? how come she breaks backs too? could it be, that it just looks kinda nice? and that she's not an insecure cunt who's feelings have the need to dictate what others should like?

>>1645208
She could be, you know, frisky towards other girls, Anon.

>>1645215
but lesbians on tumblr also hate other pretty girls.

>>1644969
It's like when your friends go "Oh shit anon, that's nice!" and your teacher basically dictates a three page essay on why you've fucked up.

Negative space and I were best friends growing up.

>>1645219
>but lesbians on tumblr also hate other pretty girls.

That's simple, they hate other pretty girls because they know they will never have them duh.

>>1645222
insecurities either way

>>1645208

Those eyes, they burn into my soul like a mikufag drawing.

>>1642291
riot on their splash anatomy

People point to Dragonblade Riven, the new Lux splash, the new Sivir splash, and others as being "humanly impossible to recreate". While I do see this and recognize the disjointed look that these art pieces give, I personally view these with a more open-mind because I give benefit of the doubt that there must have been some visual basis for these poses. If that is not the case, how did you decide on such postures?

You're right. I'm not sure if the team has previously highlighted our goals for the current target on splash art and if not, then that is probably my fault. We have a bunch of things that we want to aim for when creating new splashes and illustrations. For this question in particular, I'll talk a bit about character poses. The world of league of legends is a fantasy world where things and characters outside the realm of possibilities in the normal world exist. Furthermore, the game and stories are focused primarily on the champions, the super human characters of that world. Our champions have very exaggerated proportions, some can shoot fire from their hands, and some can jump 30 feet in the air. To be able to fully convey the force and impact of these moments, we employ a lot of the same principles used in comic books. We purposefully break anatomy to enhance the gesture of the pose and push characters into extreme perspective. The idea here is to communicate something that is not possible by a normal human. I will take some time in the near future to make a post where I deep dive into what we feel is our splash style. Right now the high level goals are: exaggerated comic book style character proportions and poses, high polish, but still hand painted rendering, limited color palettes with powerful accents, and dramatic lighting.

How now brown cow?

>>1642804
"and whales are for japanese" -/fit/

If done bad, source of entertainment.
If down right, titiliating.

Lighten up and enjoy the possibilities of art.

>>1645627
It always cracks me up when feminists put men into "degrading poses that female characters are subjected into" as it always looks ridiculous. The difference is that no woman or man is going to find that arousing (perhaps gay men).
A fairer point of comparison would be the protagonists of erotic/romantic novels that pullulate the market of woman-geared porn. These stories are filled with completely unrealistic alpha males that are handsome, billionaires, well built and act like jerks to everyone but the mousy protagonists to whom they fall madly in love for no apparent reason and show their vulnerable side; but only to her, this is very important. So females bitching about drawings being objectifying is as laughable as if males started saying that romance novels protagonists should be more realistic because they make them feel like losers

>>1645677
>It always cracks me up when feminists put men into "degrading poses that female characters are subjected into" as it always looks ridiculous. The difference is that no woman is going to find that arousing.

Wait what. Have you never heard of fujoshi?

>>1645680
Of course I have, what I am talking about is "revenge drawings" that just put male characters in poses made for female ones.
see : https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/gender-swapping-female-characters-vanille/

>>1645692
Oh. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of those things, they really are hilarious.

>>1645627
I will continue this phrase myself
>It always cracks me up when feminists put men into "degrading poses that female characters are subjected into"

>and think that it will troll someone or make men feel raped or mad.
It's fucking hilarious how feminists are that retarded at understanding how things work.

>>1645711
yeah I hate women too. bitches.

>>1645713
*tips fedora*

>>1645594
So what point are you trying to prove?

>>1645720
>So what point are you trying to prove?
i think that girl showing that poses often put in those pictures are real and not broken at all. and the only problem with other girls that they can't make such poses because their bodies are fat and not flexible unlike poses of heroines from comic books

>>1645726

>>1645677
>perhaps gay men
Gay man porn is usually GIGANTIC penises on muscular bodies.

>>1645594
that is beautiful

>>1645726
You're either blind, an idiot and definitely a noob artist.

>>1645828
>says the guy who draws like >>1645800
enjoy your static, lifeless drawings.

>>1645828
>im so butthurt so i will claim my opponent an idiot so i will look smart instead and not retarded at all! Yay! Fem-Powerz! XD

>>1645843
Nigga, never go full retard.

>>1645847
Yep, completely plausible.

>>1645876
That's just a bad drawing, the real girl looks much sexier.

>>1645863

>>1643380
>comparing the amazing Adam Hughes to the lesser talent of J. Scott Campbell.

The only reason they are hired to do this kind of art in the first place is due to the public that buys into it. Yet, the media does do an amazing job of promoting propaganda and reshaping what people think.

Biggest example, are the interracial Cheerios commercials. They reflect reality, but that didn't stop racists from screaming and complaining from the hilltops. Cheerios went 'fuck you' and started doing more of them.

As time goes on and interracial relationships become more common then any 'controversy' will become a thing of the past and no one will complain as it's something you see all the time i.e. television, movies, commercials, and etc.

That's the power of media.

>>1643419
>/ic/ first to complain about other artists' anatomy
>defend a shit artist fucking up the female anatomy in order to appeal to a certain demographic

Hypocritical aint it?

>>1645519
Something about your post is bothering me...

>>1645677
>if males started saying that romance novels protagonists should be more realistic because they make them feel like losers

But they do complain. Just check out Richard Cohen complaing about the actor playing James Bond in Skyfall.

>>1645726
>and the only problem with other girls that they can't make such poses because their bodies are fat and not flexible unlike poses of heroines from comic books

12 year old detected.

>>1645881
did you know skinny womym don't exist? they're just a decisive front put up by the patriarchy too make real womin feel bad, tumblr told me this.

>>1645906
this and romance novels have been shamed since forever

>>1645918
skinny womyn wouldn't freak out every time they saw a body twist.

>>1645726
Those poses are nowhere near as ridiculous as the ones comic book heroines are shown in.They actually make sense.
Are you blind?

>>1643927
See
>>1643781

>>1645011
Post your exposed bosom.

>>1645222
Stands to reason fat lesbians would be doubly bitter as they'll never be, nor have, a hot chick.

>>1645970

>>1645898
>reality
I'm not racist, but only 3.9% of married couples are interracial. Sure, it may have reflected a practice that's been going on for a little over one hundred years to hundreds of thousands of couples in the United States, but that commercial was mostly done just to get a strong reaction from the public, racists and anti-racists alike, and associate that reaction with Cheerios, hopefully making you to remember Cherrios next time you're in the Cereal Aisle. Companies do this all the time to profit from something Artists have been doing throughout history; create a piece that's different with shock value that makes the consumer think about it for a long time, and then create controversy with the Artist (or the company/product) for a publicity stunt, because any publicity is good publicity. That's public communication 101. Society progresses from it eventually, yes, but that wasn't the companie's main goal. It's main goal was to create publicity and get people to buy more of their stuff. Sex, drugs, swearing... anything anti-status-quo sells, as long as it creates controversy. I hope you don't think that commercial was done just for the sake of being socially progressive. I'm very confident that General Mills couldn't give two fucks about interracial couples, as long as they're making money. But hey, the commercial did what it was supposed to do because here we are discussing it, but I'm not sure if it raised the sale of Cherrios, though. In essence, it was a beautifully done commercial. However I believe that's why our society is progressing at an unnatural rate, because more and more corporations are trying to profit from the shock value of these "different" commercials, and everytime something new is done, it just becomes common after the public stops caring. It can be positive like accepting minorities and homosexuals, but I'm afraid it might turn into something negative. I could be wrong, because Culture and Morals is completely subjective.

>>1645208
>what is internalized misogyny

>>1645918
>did you know skinny womym don't exist? they're just a decisive front put up by the patriarchy too make real womin feel bad, tumblr told me this.
welcome to Amerifat world.

>>1646010
>what is internalized misogyny
>feminists telling women without problems that they are too stupid to understand how horribly raped they are
>mfw

>>1646017
that made no fucking sense what you just said.
are you a black female, by any chance?

>>1646017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95YdE89nTgI

>>1646010
>internalized misogyny

Every femanon ever. Hell, every women who isn't a feminist ever.

>>1645208
Just because it's a drawing by a girl doesn't mean it's right or should be accepted.
Wouldn't stereotypical feminist thinking rather mean that women together are always right even if they contradict each other's logic?

>>1646048
doesn't mean it's wrong or should not be accepted.
check your privilege. you have no right to decide what should be accepted and what shouldn't.

>>1646010

Pretty much. Whats totally fucked is that there are quite a few female artists I follow who regularly get attacked by these bitter SJW fuckheads because apparently their erotic art is "harmful", "supports unrealistic beauty standards" , "causes women to be depressed about themselves", *insert other bullshit accusations*. Whats hilarious is these bitter types get so angry when they meet a woman who does not get outraged at said art. Apparently they seem to know whats best for them, and if they disagree? internalized misogyny! you're just brainwashed! patriarchy supporter!

take this faggotry to /soc/

>>1642963
Oh look, a feminazi cunt who has the gumption to define what a man is or isn't while crying to hell and back that men don't have the right to define what a woman is. Hell, you even think we don't have the right to decide what we find attractive and call ourselves men.

Go die in a fire along with everything you love, you hypocritical, double standard bearing conceited fucking bitch.

>>1645898
>comparing the amazing Adam Hughes to the lesser talent of J. Scott Campbell.
I should clarify, I criticized Campbell and linked Hughes because he is amazing. Also because boob windows, skintight suits and big cup sizes are controversial as well, even though it can be done tastefully just fine.

And yes, exactly, that is why you criticize the responsible media. I just don't think it's fair to force artists to censor their work, realistic or not, nor to expect media to have some sort of rearing task for the more sensitive when it comes to downright fantastical 'standards' in the first place.

>>1646051
What the fuck is that nonsense that's coming out of your mouth? I hope you're just trolling.

>>1646057
I've never understood censorship as a solution to "objectification" of women. Wouldn't removing the taboo be far more beneficial?

You can emphasise a male character's body without anyone giving a shit or trying to censor you, e.g. massive pecs and biceps. From an equality stand point shouldn't we be working towards doing the same for females and stop putting their bodies on a pedestal? But I guess it's different when the feminists are the ones doing the oppressing.

I think erotic art can do what ever the fuck it wants as long as it achieves the goal: getting dicks hard.
It is the most harmless form of pornography.

Now portraying people unfairly in media that is supposed to represent something real or is supposed to show a role to follow is a different issue.

Some of these drawings, especially in VNs are in silly theritory though, not harmful just fucking funny.

ITT: feminist "I don't like you drawing that! stop drawing that! stop it! stop it! stop it!"

Without reading the thread I can bet OP is a landwhale from tumblr.

>>1646087
tumblr is the greatest producer of female oriented erotic fanart so id expect some more open mind from them

>>1642523
>Implying women who complain about these things have a chance to get a boyfriend in the first place.

>>1645519
So basically its like exaggerated cartoon designs and stories for a video game.

>>1645980
where the fuck do you get all these?

It feels like the landwhales who complain about these things are seriously uncapable of understanding that not everyone expects reality to be like their ideal fantasies. That's why they are fantasies for fuck's sake. If the world worked like that no man would ever fuck anyone because they would be irrational little drama queens waiting for their perfect princess.

More like no one wants to fuck YOU and now you're projecting and claiming all men only accept perfection. Shave your fucking armpits and lose some weight, it's not that hard.

>>1646077

They never seem to quite think these things through. Great example here:
http://glasgowsexworker.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/history-lesson-what-happened-when-canada-enacted-a-feminist-anti-porn-law/

>>1646102
So finally the only reason women complain about unrealistic portrayal of women in the media is because they don't get enough attention from men themselves?

>>1646179
they are the same as internet mysogynists

>>1646010
>>1646048
you bitches have such serious issues, it's scary.

>>1646192
Just like nobody gives a shit about the fact that you're a virgin and you'll be forever alone because you're an embarassing manchild

>>1646205
but i'm a girl

>>1646213
they are just guys pretending to be girls.. not girls exist on the internet in real life.

>>1646205

>>1646090
Some of them are so open minded that they become narrow minded.

>>1646205
>a landwhale calling other people virgins

now I seen everything.

>>1646248
I think you missed the point.

>>1642898
Dude, I feel ya. I draw some big titties from time to time just to piss off Tumblr feminists and give my hetero followers something to look at.

>>1646069
>nor to expect media to have some sort of rearing task for the more sensitive when it comes to downright fantastical 'standards' in the first place.

I think someone who says this already has the media catering to them and doesn't know what's it like to be marginalized by it. This is the same kind of person who will be the first to complain when something shines them in a bad light.

Also, as we have said before, many commercial artists have to answer to art directors, editors, and sales people. So if the people who hire them go: "Make those tits bigger" then they will have to make them bigger. It has nothing to do with censoring artists, but marketing and media.

>>1645983
>I'm not racist, but...
That usually means you are about to say something racist.

>rest of post
I understand what you are saying, but Cheerios, also could have listened to the complaints and pulled the initial commercial. They didn't though. Like why would showing an interracial couple be considered to be 'controversial' in this day and age when it's been legal for some time now? By appearing progressive they will generate a lot more income, but by people seeing that, no matter what the reason for the commercial in the first place, it does affect the viewers watching it.

Also, another example of media manipulation was right after 9/11 and the American networks aired that shot of Muslims cheering in the streets. Even it came with a disclaimer people who were upset by the attacks became super angry to see people cheering it on. That's another example of people being manipulated by the media as well. In fact, Fox News itself is a great example of people being manipulated by the media in general.

I mean , you guys can act as if it's no big deal, but to deny that the media doesn't influence anyone is fucking laughable.

>>1646458

SJW activism (or "slacktivism") is extremely ineffective. I actually think that it's encouraged by the patriarchy to prevent minorities from ascending into power and focus on harmful sexism like the glass ceiling. It gives the illusion that they have a loud voice in society when in reality, CEOs don't care.

>>1646498
You do realize that activism existed long before tumblr right? All of those things that you guys scorn are based on real actual studies...that are based on real history and historical accounts by REAL people. These things things that white people, in general, would not be aware of had it not been for the internet. So NOW that they have awareness of it's somehow a 'problem.'

Now it's a problem even though that same activism has helped: abolish slavery in the US, stop Jim Crow laws, end the ban on interracial marriage, give women the right to vote, and, maybe soon, reform immigration laws.

What really helps activism is when white people, especially rich white people are interested in it. That's when the real change comes, but it's because of the efforts of activism rather than activism being something that harms it. I won't deny that some people take it too far, but those few who do shouldn't negate the entire movement.

I think it's mostly that teach white kids about all the white people or white approved minorities while leaving true American history which includes everyone.

>>1646525
>I think it's mostly that white kids are taught about all the white people or white washed version of history rather than the truth.

>>1646257
Oh no he didn't. This is precisely the point- you try to shame men who disagree with your insane retarded notions by calling them "manchildren". Which is quite funny, when you think about it. You try to define what a man is, while in reality you have no more right to do that then any single man to say "if you're not in the kitchen, then you're not a real woman".

But I'm sure pointing out your hypocrisy only makes my a manchild virgin, so I'll just stop there and go back to bed where my fiancee is waiting.

>>1646525
>You do realize that activism existed long before tumblr right?
you do understand that after what tumblr did, your hopes of being heared is pretty much broken?
Activists mostly act like dicks and jerks and they hate everybody without vagina.
This thread already has a lot of stupidity to show and you still "fighting" for RIGHT to show your opinion? Are you that blind?

>>1645906
That they complain or not is the point, the point is that we can all agree that it is ridiculous to try to castrate other's fantasies just because you feel insecure

>>1646205
>Womyn on 4chins.

>>1646588

>>1646530
Do you understand what 'satire' means?

If OP is still around, I want to answer her question about who colors J Scott's art. Nei Ruffino (toolkitten on DA) actually does most (if not all) his colors

* the more you know

>>1646530
>call girls fat SJWs if they disagree with you
>they call you a fedora manchild
>"FEMINIST SHAMING TACTICS1!!11111"

>>1646525


In older activism, the protestors were more respectful and had more power than tumblr SJW activism.

See the Declaration of Sentiments, the author tried to relate with the audience instead of antagonizing them. It's why the intro bears similarity to the Declaration of Independence.

Same with MLK's "I have A Dream Speech", he didn't call his opponents "fucking crazy cis-crackers", he related with his audience and drew respect.

SJW tumblr activism just disrespectfully targets non-powerful internet users for making politically incorrect jokes or using the incorrect pronouns. Instead of targetting the powerful people that harm minorities on a financial level.

I've seen numerous instances of them running users out, but no instance of them attempting to remove the "stop-and-frisk" law.

>>1646751
>you bitches have such serious issues, it's scary.

>Just like nobody gives a shit about the fact that you're a virgin and you'll be forever alone because you're an embarassing manchild

Call girls fat SJW where in these two posts or related posts?

>>1646969
>a landwhale calling other people virgins
>now I seen everything

>>1646754
>Same with MLK's "I have A Dream Speech", he didn't call his opponents "fucking crazy cis-crackers", he related with his audience and drew respect.

>MLK related to his audience and drew respect
>they still threw his ass in prison and killed him

You really think half of those people would have given a shit about whatever the hell MLK was preaching had it not been for all of the other people who have preaching, teaching, dying, and fighting for years on end? Malcolm X? W.E.B. DuBois? Sojourner Truth? Huey P. Newton? Marcus Garvey? Ida B. Wells? All those people have been fighting for the injustices white society had cast against black people, i.e. Jim Crow laws. Not even including Asians, white people, latinos and others who have fought for equal rights of others?

It is true that white people like MLK the most because of his non-violent preaching, but being nice to your oppressors doesn't incite change. You really think that the Holocaust ended because the Allies joined Hitler for some tea and biscuits and asked him nicely? Or all those Jews went on some kind of hunger strike?

>>1647264
>Huey P. Newton?
He came afterwards, but you get my point.

>>1647264

He addressed them respectfully in order to make them appear like irrational antagonists so that the newer generation would question the actions of the older generation.

We're mostly detracting far from the point though. Historically, people with power are the ones who pull the strings, not the people who have been affected by them. If you're targeting the latter instead of the former, then it's going to be tremendously difficult to reform the ideals of society.

>>1647280

It's sort of irrelevant to my point, but take communism for instance. McCarthyism was a terrible thing, it restricted creative ideals and it ostracized innocent individuals. However, because of the actions of Stalin, many old and modern western citizens view the economic ideal in a bad light.

He didn't necessarily "fight back", but it's often seen in a bad light for victims to harshly fight their oppressors, despite how legitimate their cause is. It validates the oppressor's rationality for harming victims. If MLK was a violent freedom fighter who murdered white people, then the newer generation wouldn't sympathize with his cause at all.

>mfw this entire thread

People can draw anything however they want, and nobody should have any say what someone does with a paper and pencil on their own private time. This inane belief that an idealized, fantastical drawing might somehow legitimately hurt someone is why nobody takes "artists" seriously in the real world.

>>1645980
>Post pic then
this.
top kek

>>1642482
Sauce on the artist? Reverse image didn't turn up much

>>1643018
Rent's 50% cheaper than upstairs.

>>1645980
>this entire exchange
Screencapping.