/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

business plan:
>people like shit simple
>write shitty books with names "How to paint", "How to draw", keep everything super simple inside
>some blackhat marketing
>collect the $ from all the DA folk

>>1638770
>blackhat marketing
wot
So assuming my drawing skills are alright, I should be able to spew shit like that and make a decent living?

>>1638774
I work in an art studio for a woman thats been paining for quite a long time. Although her art skills are shit. But because she has been doing it so long she is able to make classes and teach weekend warriors. And she makes quite a bit off it.

in-case youre doubting that tumblr's art community is anything but misguided and shit

>>1638777
i...just can't put it into words what i am feeling right now

>>1638777
>>1638778
Neither can I, but I think this image covers it.

>>1638777
I'll buy that book, just saying.

>>1638777
oh wow. the author is the same of the one in the OP.

here is a link to one of her books where you can take a look inside lol.

http://www.amazon.com/How-To-Draw-More-Manga/dp/0439585600/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390591320&sr=8-2&keywords=katy+coope

OP here.

You know, even though we shouldn't reach for mediocrity, it's pretty uplifting that such garbage can make some a decent living you know?

Like the "i will draw a cat for you" guy who went on shark tank and now sells crappy 5 second sketches for 9.95

>>1638787
check out the reviews for it on amazon.
some of the people are tearing it appart.

>>1638787
http://iwanttodrawacatforyou.com/

WTF
>I have drawn 15,434 cats for people all over the world. I want to draw a cat for you.

he made 150,000 dollars with that shit.
this guy is a fucking genius.

I used to have the step-by-step manga thing.. with the giant cat and black guy. They sold it at the school's book fair, I think in elementary school or something.

>>1638801
This is that same guy's DA btw,

http://bomu.deviantart.com/

>>1638803

good lord

>>1638823
and he gets to work for Wacom and Hitachi...

Why? There are so many people out there who are better than that guy

>>1638826
because world is shit, people are shit.

>>1638803

Well he improved at least.

>>1638777
jfc those colors

>it will never be 2004-2009 again
>you will never have the chance to make money off of weeaboos because standards are so high now

>>1638864
My sides.

>>1638864

>remember that time when some pencil originals from Megatokyo were up for auction back in 07 and people paid over 10K for each of them.

>>1638826
Because he had exposure.
Because he actually knew people.
Because his name was recognizable.

Having a public profile on something like DA can be useful in itself. Your portfolio doesn't have to hidden away on some poorly designed personal site.

I dunno about this scoob

>>1638883
original pic looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
fun and stylised opposed to the new boring anime guy in a Crysis suit

>>1638883
I was thinking the same thing when I looked through his gallery and saw that. The 2002 one, while still flawed is better. the right one looks soulless and cheap.

>>1638888
I agree, the original design looks more interesting. I'm not quite sure what exactly is right with it, but it feels whole.

The updated version just looks like crap. It looks like he couldn't decide whether he wanted realistic or simple lighting so it just ends up looking like a very amateurish attempt at realism

I wanna know how this faggots from dA can call it a "tutorial", just look at this fucking shit, does it looks like a rock from you?
Tutorial, seriously?

>Favourites 2,425

>>1638849
http://bomu.deviantart.com/art/Marina-Glaivas-Anime-style-352744063
>February 6, 2013

http://bomu.deviantart.com/art/School-Time-Nikki-414576444
>November 19, 2013

Oh, god that consistency, he probably uses heavy reference for everything he does.

>>1638768
>>1638777
>>1638786
I believe these are from the artist and one of th ebooks

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>>1638970
Oh my God..

>>1638965
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>>1638970
Anime alcohol fetal syndrome? Da faq?

>>1638975
I don't know if this is from the same artist, i got it back in a similar thread but it's my favourite.

>>1638979
LOL THE BLACK FACE.

>>1638947

>Oh, god that consistency, he probably uses heavy reference for everything he does.

Yeah, holy hell that stuff stands out about as bad as that DC wonderwoman porn comic that guy posted here a while back. /co/ actually found several of the panels he copied pose-for pose.

Also that perspective on the building in the "school time pic".

>>1638936
Looks like pile of frozen sardine.

This place is the warmest happiest most comfortable place on earth. I love running to /ic/ away from all the incredible retardation of most art communities.

Thank you for existing. Thank you so much.

>>1638768
>Anyone remember this shit?
I do and i have it with all those others HOW TO DRAW MANGA/COMICS HEY KIDS
but belive me...back in that time before 2007 every piece of book or tutorial was useful. I had this and i knew this is crap but i loved to read it and be inspired and motivated.
Nowadays we have everything but being a teenager/student back in early 00 was rough for artist. Time was crazy and everybody was valuable no matter what level he/she had.

>not having almost all Christopher Hart's shitty books
they will be rare soon

>using filthy gajin how to draw books

>>1639053
i think those are the ones we had when i was a kid, only in english obviously.

or you could just try to copy out of an actual manga

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>>1638965
I always like to imagine these were done by a jobbing illustrator, possibly in their 50's.

>Publisher's office
>"Hey we got a job for you, good pay! We want you to do one of those 'how to draw animu' books all the kids are buying!"
>"But I don't know anything about that, I do advertising storyboards..."
>"How hard can it be, if a goddamn chink can do it, so can you! Do you want the money or not?"
>"Well, I guess... I'll just make it up as I go, they'll never notice..."

>>1639075
they do rather look like a parody of actual manga

>>1639075
at least he got better at drawing manga

>>1639094
bit disney princess that one

>>1639104
i wonder if someone published a book on how to draw disney princesses but all the examples were closer to manga

>>1639094
>.co.uk

Oh god this monster would have to be from my country, wouldn't he?

>>1639127
Wow, looks like I hit the nail on the head when I said he was a jobbing illustrator who got sucked into the manga fad.

Guy's not too bad when he's drawing things that don't look like they're reflected in a spoon.

>no matter how shitty they are, they've got more money than you ever will

Lmao, I actually STILL have that book. I bought it at barnes and noble (lmao) when I was about 6 or so. I still remember copying this guy with purple hair inside the book and never being able to get it quite right. Fuck this book.

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>>1638970
oh god! i cannot stop laughing

holy shit i owned this book

hey guys think the market is still good for how to draw books?

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>>1638965
what the hell are those?

>no one has posted pointy haired guy yet

>>1639480
>mfw he made money with this

>>1639480
oh... god...

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>>1639480
Even with my shit skills at art I can tell you that it's shit.

>>1638790
0.0
God, pls kill me.

I regret saving these.

>>1639615

>No one posted full versions

Time to momentarily stop lurking.

Are you sure this isn't just some elaborate hoax? I have a difficult time believing this could exist.
No one this bad would make a book like this, no one would buy it and no one would publish it.

>>1639623
It is nearly 12 years old and published by Scholastic, so aimed at kids and parents who don't know better

>>1639480
Without the the hair, he kinda looks like Brock

Requesting the gif where some Animu girl spooks another one behind her and the face changes to one of these while she is running away from the girl who spooked. I think they're from K on

>>1638768
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>>1639151

Then there should be Loomis(or resources from the sticky) for kids(like a school textbook given to them) if they ever want to draw professionally like hand churching madmen when they get older. Think about it a new generation of draftsmen instead of over-fascinated weaboos, More people working in the arts radder than pillow humping all day.

>MFW if it happens

>>1638777
idk man, it's a bit like dA, you can finds all levels of skill there.
I think skill wise dA has the most noobs/weeaboos, tumblr has the most intermediates (not inept but no real direction in how to study)

>>1639693
and all of the Processionals(including workers) and most intermediates are hiding under a rock on DA.

>>1639674
>Think about it a new generation of draftsmen instead of over-fascinated weaboos
Good luck actually selling something meaningful. Good luck making them read through it if by some luck it ends up in their hands.

Weeaboo children turn their head immediately when you try to actually teach them something other than "now put lines here to make anime!!"

>>1639719

This. Little do they know, all of the best manga artists with even a small amount of technical skill show knowledge of forms, proportions, perspective and stylizing.

It's a shame.

>>1639674
>More people working in the arts

Not going to happen. Finding any kind of work as an artists is hard as is.

They would make more money drawing Kingdom Hearts OC's and furry sex.

>>1639719
I think it wold be better if it was an industrial school textbook (like mathbooks) can be given to art blocks(or classes) but that means the information must be crafted well for them to understand including teachers, Once the students have known their rules and lessons it would be an easer time for them to make any type of drawing they desire.

>"Weeaboo children turn their head immediately when you try to actually teach them"

That actually happened to me when i thought them things like construction, proportions, forms, basic perspective. They are eager to listen when i say something while they learn.

>>1639742
I wold be happy if that happens when they are making quality work regardless what it is.

>>1639742
>furry sex

This guy knows what's up

Better than Vilpu.

>Finding any kind of work as an artists is hard as is

Amen to that bro. its very difficult to find such a job for artist today, its very low in demand career and not all studios are open for artist

commisioning is by far that best they can do to earn some money

>>1640073
keep telling yourself that chumps

>>1640073
Do people not record themselves drawing, speed up the video, then post on YouTube?

I guess you would need to know how to animate, but seems like you could get noticed uploading you videos, if you're good

That feel when a friend hired me to do layout for a god awful "hey kids learn how to draw" book.
He provided a bunch of super shitty drawings, some vague ideas for titles and zero text, told me to 'work it out'.

After trying to contact him for more to no success I quit the job. Thankfully he had already paid me some money.

As shitty as these books are they still have pictures, text, page layout, page numbers, table of contents, covers and are something that could be digested by a small kid. There are people out there who can't get their shit together enough to do that.

>>1638965
We meet again.

>>1638768
oh my

I remember when drawing manga was the shit
no one ever read manga or watched anime back then but we all tried to draw it.

>>1638777
depends on what bits of tumblr you go to

http://fnochrishart.tumblr.com/

>>1639674
>>1639719
>>1639741

making lil weeaboos learn their anatomy is substantially less difficult than making them accept that manga style needs anatomy to function well
maybe add a handout of the worst of ca conceptart.org thread or something to scare em' straight

>>1642100
Why does her breast have muscles covering it?

>>1638790
>15k cats
Jesus christ he must be able to draw them blind at this point

>>1642107
Because niggas don't know that breasts are full of sand

>>1642107
girls can do push ups with there boobs

>>1638883

Holy shit I had this book when I was a kid, I'm gonna go look for it now. I remember jerkin' it to that huge titted secret agent santa girl. Will post for lulz if found.

>>1642905

Holy shit guys I found it buried under a pile of old magazines in my basement. The memories.

>>1638970
>Bobby Hill embraces his inner magical girl.jpg

>>1639674
>"Loomis for kids" that has "practicepracticepracticepractice" somewhere on it's pages

vs

>"HEY KIDS! YOU LIKE CHINK TOONS?! WITH THIS SHIT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DRAW THEM IN LESS THAN 2 HOURS! Do it slightly better than your retarded friends who don't even like to draw and get all the likes on facebook!"

Yeah, I wonder which one will be picked by ADHD ridden iPad generation.

>>1642909
To be fair, that's pretty erection inducing.

In a strange sort of way.

>>1644300
But think about all these kids that would want MORE.

>>1642909
please scan, I like to horde how to draw manga books.

>>1644309
>MORE
More "how to draw anime" tutorials is what they want.

>>1644339

>>1638768
She's on deviant art, got better naturally.
Her parents were probably connected to the publisher somehow.

>>1638826
You are a product. You are also the salesman to your misfortune.
Gotta sell yourself.
These people discussed in this thread knew how.

>>1639094
My mom bought me that book a few years ago, along with Caricatures, Figures, and Portraits.

>>1644339

Holy hell, I want to smack this idiot. How in the hell does he expect entire lessons to be summed up in under 5 minutes? Is this how bad attention spans are these days?

>Bwaaah! 40+ minute videos are sooooo demotivating! I want my results NOW NOW NOW! Oh, excuse me while I play angry birds in the middle of conversations on my phone. WHAT? YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT AWAY? OMG FUCKING FASCIST!! IM GONNA COMPLAIN ON MY DEVIANTART ABOUT HOW DEMOTIVATING LEARNING IS, AND ITS NOT MY FAULT IM AN IMPATIENT FUCKHEAD

>>1644492
>detailed explanation
>half of it is Sycra snickering and making unnecessary adjustment

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>>1638803
Shit, was it the one with the big cat that transformed and showed you how to "draw it in profile"? Because I have that fucking book somewhere from when I was a kid.

>>1642909
Now i can fap.

>>1644509
why wouldn't you upload this masterpiece in png?

>>1638883
11 Years and he learned how to add photoshop filters, blend colors better, and how to be generic.

I still have it somewhere lying around.

Suddenly I see where everything started to go wrong.

>>1638979
Shit! Holy fuck! I had this book. It was legitimately the ugliest thing I have ever owned.

>>1638979

Yeah, I bought that through the school book order thing when I was 11 years old.

I guess if that book had never caught my eye, I never would have gotten seriously into drawing, so there's that. Kind of did waste 3 years of practice on crappy instructional books targeting kids though.

God, I just remembered I used to bring those books to class and practice drawing that shit. I must have looked like such a fucking dork. Thank fuck I didn't do that in high school.

Of all the "How to Draw" books I ever got this was the only one worthwhile. It gives rudimentary lessons in form, perspective, proportion, gesture. mannequinization, foreshortening, composition, storytelling and inking. And while none of the lessons are comprehensive and they teach a style rather than realism, there is a bibliography in the back suggesting books on anatomy, composition and perspective.

It's a great book for a child, but unfortunately what ends up happening is the kids skip the boring stuff and go straight to the fun stuff.

>>1645029
>Stan Lee and John Buscema
No wonder it's a nice book.

There's also this one: "Even a monkey can draw manga".

Still got that one.
What a piece of shit.

>>1645107
top kek

>>1645029

THIS. The stuff in there is gold.

tfw i found a drawing in that book that had both big toes on the wrong side of each foot
>>1642100

I have one of these in French

>>1645180
>>1644300

>>1639674 here
That book from >>1645029 is a excellent resource to schools as an alternate(those with ADD or uninterested) because it still explains the very basic lessons to draw on their own. For the problem with skipping somehow i feel like most art teachers on high school for example they lack knowledge about drawing and illustration rules to draw first also the issue with some students that are interested(or called talented i hate that word) end up starting to draw without rules at all.(proportion, gesture, composition, eta) Thats where i gave up on the school system and started self-teaching on my grad year.(18yearoldhere) Holy hell I had never realized how much i knew from that sticky really helped me to advance on my future. Also I'm that same guy who wanted to be like the next Walt Disney.

Thank goodness i know a other teacher who knows about Loomis

>MFW
>high school arts
>not teaching Loomis
>at freshmen year

>>1646260

High school art teachers can eat my fucking dick.

I had three of them. The first one was famous in the school for being an easy teacher so 90% of the class couldn't give a fuck about art and the teacher taught absolutely nothing. The second one was a prick who at least had us do basic exercises but they were extremely rudimentary and in the end nothing was taught. The third teacher was much smarter but by this point everyone in the class was a dedicated artist and understood the foundations (except for me) so the class had zero structure apart from "Work on your stuff." Great environment but I learned nothing.

It wasn't until I was 18 that I had the bright idea to look up basic anatomy on the internet. It wasn't until I was 21 that I actually started reading Loomis but I had no structur so progress was slow. I'm 23 now and I'm going right to the basics and learning gesture in a focused attempt to learn and improve.

>>1646462
you sound like one slow ass motherfucker

'to dwaw body me look at body!'
-3 years of thinking

>>1638788
Said customers at Barnes and Nobles stupidly thinks this is good

>2002
>16 year-old artist
It all makes sense

>>1638788
>Amazon reviews

Yeah, from the same site that has reviews saying a wolf shirt cured their AIDS

>>1646561
kinda sounds like they were all written by the same person. no sane person can truly believe that this book is so much better than anything else

>>1646564
god damn I know it was back in the day but I'm baffled that anyone would let her embarrass herself in front of the art community

>>1646580
>members of the art community
>any dignity

>>1646564
>4 stars
>positive reviews
>A LOT of people had it. and they actually wanted it because 2000 dude...Anime is HYPE
holy fuck...talk about being in correct time and in right place.
Im 29 now and i remember how rare good anime artists were back in 2002. Only few of them (shitty ones) and they were treated like gods no matter how their level was because there wasn't an actual fandom like today.

She's so lucky
>you will never make money out of idiots because you in a right time and place

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>>1646585
yeah some people's lives are literally just drawing furry commissions

>>1646492

I didn't know learning was actually part of the drawing process, I thought it was just practice, talent and style.

>>1639592
That your drawing?
noice, how long did it take to learn to sketch q.t girls, I need to know so I can substitute a girlfriend

>>1645919
Me too anon
Fond memories of me sipping wine while drawing that blond haired warrior with a baguette when i was 10

According to Wikipedia, Hart graduated from CalArts. What's the general opinion of CalArts here again?

>>1648974
jelly rage

>>1638768
Honestly, this book helped me out a hell of a lot when I got it at the age of 10. Before that, I didn't know shit about anatomy, posing, guidelines, etc. While this book isn't the best for that, it's still a pretty okay starting point for young kids (although I'm sure there are many better books out there). At least it actually teaches how to make your own poses and characters and stuff like that, unlike the old Christopher Hart books that just get you to copy the exact image in the book.

Of course, the anatomy in Katy Coope's book is pretty bad and it teaches you some stupid shit like those obnoxious blush lines. Still, I'm glad I had it. My skills vastly improved in the years after getting it.

I remember book stores used to have a series of books that were made by the same guy. I remember "How to Draw Monsters, How to Draw Cars, How to Draw People, and How to Draw Animals". Google isn't helping me though, unless the guy changed the cover art...

>>1649202
These?

I'm just going to leave this here.

http://winson772.wordpress.com/page/2/

$300 a class.

>>1649131
Do you have Down's Syndrome?

>>1649317
does anyone actually pay for this?

>>1649369
Apparently. I found him when I received a notification on LinkedIn that he'd viewed my profile. Followed it back to his website.

>>1638768
>my sister had this book

>>1649131
i feel you mang

it probably didnt teach me anything but it DID get me interested in art so you know what cheers

>>1649219

Yeah, that Frankenstein looks familiar.