/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

1st for waiting for my col-erases to come in the mail

Insert cancer here.

Thank you.

>>1624421
OP gets worse every time.

>>1624451
The the talent pool in these threads is so low that they had to start using other "good" anime art for the OP so it wouldn't be so embarrassing.

>>1624451
a different person is making these threads now. i made it a couple times some time ago, because we didn't have new ones for a while.
but i think this one's better than the previous 2.

>>1624571

Yeah because ctrl-v-ing shit from books these retards don't even read or try to work from makes it better, right?

>>1624531
>>1624576
i wouldn't say that absolutely everybody is a beginner, but even if there was talent, nobody wants to be the posterchild for a thread like this.

Not enough drawing, have some degeneracy.

>>1624593
>homestuck
kill yourself

>>1624596
But how did you know it was Homestuck?

Have some shitty doodles.
I got a dumb question, for a dumb person.
>me

How does one study from reference?

Do you just draw/copy what you see?

Will it become easier to draw from imagination after studying a shit ton of pictures?

>>1624600
>Fellow rube, but I know where you're coming from.

I believe that it's not just copying what you see but how much relevant information you can retain.

Of course it's good to be objective when drawing, but it's not drawing one picture of one owl perfectly, but do you know enough about owls to draw them in any position convincingly?

I should take my own advice.

>>1624596
>>1624599
I'm just glad I got a reaction.

>>1624599
homestuck is hardly a secret anymore

>>1624602

Thanks, that helps.

>>1624600
I like your style, especially how you draw the faces.

>>1624600
>those boobs
Holy fucking shit.
Get some figure drawing in you right now.

>>1624717

>Alright I'm on it,

I'm unable to draw boobs correctly I just can't shape it correctly...

Anything else that needs fixing before I can actually start fully drawing from imagination...

>>1624757
Hands and feet.

You're new, aren't you?

>>1624263
>>1624459
>>1624282
Any better with the features and ear placement? I gotta fix her neck.

>>1624365
What? Did you want to see the ref I used?

>>1624757
>>1621383
>>1621382
>>1621381

>>1624758

I guess so. :I

>>1624771

Thanks man.

I don't feel like this is helping me draw animu faces

>>1624844
Because you're copying not constructing and your rendering looks like she's made of clay

I try to make a point to set myself apart in my style while keeping sure to always brush up on the technical stuff. But these are my non-technical drawings.

Hopefully I'm studying references the right way...

>>1624858
> copying not constructing
I am curious how you came to this conclusion

>>1624869
looks like a mixture of 3 angled blue (did a bunch of famous 4chan comics) ukinojoe to me.

>>1624879
those curved lines aren't going to help you understand the form if you just slap them on there like that, if you are trying to use them to inform the viewer or yourself of the form take the time to do them carefully and correctly.

>>1624879
You should post the original reference images as well. It's important to know how accurately you are replicating the pose and proportions.

>>1624911

I'm guessing he got it from this batch.

>>1624911

Oh shit, my bad.

I couldn't find the pictures online
So here..

>>1624917
Looks like you've squashed some of the bodies either too long or too wide.

>>1624934

The left one and middle one for sure.
Shit, I really messed both of them up.

>>1624421
okay, might as well put this here... It's a bit of a read. I'm using photoshop cs6.

So I've drawn a lot of lineart before, but it's always been chickenscratch with heavily overworked borders and details... I would just go over the pre-drawing with a pressure sensitive white/black 100% opaque brush and carve out details on one layer. However, doing this usually ended up with flared up carpal tunnel from all the speed I had to maintain to keep the gesture in the image, and pretty much 1/2 of the time the image looked like crap or was indistinguishable.

Recently, though, I've begun trying to draw cleaner lineart from the get go, but of course I'm having some difficulties. I'm using a 100% opaque black brush to serve as the lineart tool, but when I try to trace over the pre-drawing I made, Its fucking wibbly wobbly and end up with lines like the kind on this guy's horn. Drawing the lines more quickly ends up losing the detail I want in the image. What ends up happening is that I have to go back and heavily paint over the lines to get them to look like the skull... the amount of time that takes is equal to the time it would take for me to just render it without lineart.

Is this the correct way to go about doing lineart? being vigilant and working through the tediousness? Honestly I'm fucking stumped and to what I should be doing, or if I'm doing something wrong. I've heard that people sometimes use the pen tool to draw out the lines, is that worth looking into? Of course it could also be that I'm just not cut out for this kind of drawing style...

>>1624946
firstly, have a kinda scratchy sketch is alright. The word there is "kinda".
For smoother lines, draw with your arm and not your wrist.

>>1624947
>kinda
it... it was a lot more than "kinda", I'm afraid

using my whole arm/forearm is almost impossible because of how babby sized my tablet its (4x6 intuos 3), do you think I should just upgrade to the medium intuos pro? I've had this bastard for 10 years, I'm kinda attached to it...

>>1624954
ha, I have the same one though I've only had it for 6 years. Im in the same boat, I don't feel like I need a new one because it still does its job perfectly. Plus I've heard the new ones have a weird surface that eats away at the nibs.

>>1624954
I have the same sized tablet. Just a bamboo splash, cheapie cheap one. It works for me. I just need to turn my canvas a lot so I can make downward strokes.

>>1624917
Dammit
I can't fucking into gesture so hard
Every single one I do looks fucking flat and I guarantee I spent over 2 minutes on each one
FUCK ;_;

>>1624978
While doing gesture drawings, please remember to keep proportions in check while at the same time thinking about how everything is in relation to each other for example the midriff is roughly one head size.

>>1624978
Try and use fewer lines, but make each line that you do use very meaningful.

>>1624978
focus on getting the vital information:

-tilt of the shoulders and hips
-position of the spine
-center line of the body (whichever side is facing you, this is not needed if it is perfectly in profile)
-motion in/through the limbs

WHATEVER LOOMIS. imma keep fuckin that chicken.

>>1624978
You don't have to construct so hard if you're only doing gesture.

More motion, remember that you're trying to lead the eye

So don't have to use so many outlines for everything to describe the body since you're going after the action.

but that's just my thoughts on it

Point out mistakes plz.

>>1624988
I see you're constructing, but your eyes keep floating around like rolling eggs. Flip the canvas and look very closely.

>>1624993
You need to get better at anatomy, and your clothing is based on what you remember from seeing other peoples' drawings rather than observing the real thing.

You're in the "draw from life" phase, meaning you don't have enough knowledge of boots to draw a convincing boot from memory. So draw them from reference more.

>>1625000
That is also party laziness, hehe.
Thank you

>>1624769
please respond ;_;

>>1625000
Hope you don't mind I mirrored & redlined it.

>I moved nose and mouth a bit following the arrows.
>Shoulders are never 90 degrees.
>Check out that wrist.Hand should be placed lower.
>Legs are too long.

>>1625036
>>1624993
Also should draw in a way such that you are aware of where the body is under the clothing. This usually means drawing the body constructions no matter what, unless you are very experienced.

>>1624978

Gesture is about getting the size relationships correct -while- getting the motion of the figure down

The one furthest to the right looks pretty yaoi (tiny heads and massive torso) to me

>>1624988
symbol drawing.
and isn't this the exact same shitty yaoi head as before?

>>1624978
>>1624983


Is this ok? I'm learning gesture too.

>>1625101
good, but work towards making one line at a time rather than going really fast. Also try to preserve the proportions, because in both sets of sketches the head is far too small. It's fine to just draw an oval for the head, but make sure it accurately describes the size of the skull.

Started this Adol but erased the head and I'm gonna draw it back in when I get home from work

For some reason I had a lot more fun just trying to draw some manga characters from my monitor on my paper than trying to force myself through Loomis.

I know it's important to have fun, but will I even get anywhere like this? Loomis is kinda over my head right now, I get frustrated just trying to draw the faces as detailed as he does.

>>1624988

You have a skew in your drawing. Most people have some kind of balance issue, so don't sweat it. Just be aware of it. Your vertical is tilted towards the left. This is actually the same one I have.

While there are some people who will shout Loomis at you just to be annoying, don't dismiss it entirely. You're not reading Loomis to copy his style, but to learn a logical approach to construction that reduces the amount of guesswork you would be doing. Procedure matters. Not having good process is like batting at a thread with a needle.

>>1625141
try drawing faces in settings which interest you. That means real faces, lel. I don't feel that drawing just manga-style faces will get you too far. It may end up slowing your progress in terms of understanding. Also, try not to bore yourself by just doing stuff you don't like. Mix it up, draw one manga face for every 2 or 3 loomis face sketches.

>>1624769
>>1625007
I think the head and the hand is a bit big. Also, the neck muscle is kinda off.

I rarely colour my drawings, and basically never past flat colours. I feel that my lines aren't good enough to really warrant going into detailed colour. Do you think it's a good idea to try to focus on the lines or would colour practice maybe help me with contours etc.?

Here's a recent one that I put some effort to.

>>1625181
Lines are all about muscle memory, repetition, and control. As long as you keep drawing you'll keep getting better at lineart (as long as you constantly strive to improve your line economy).

Best way to improve contours would be to do more drawings from life and be hard on yourself about accuracy and the shape of the silhouette.

>>1625181

Id say you need to focus on construction & anatomy before you go onto color. It seems that you are just winging through the linework and making it up as you go which might look fine for a while... until all your proportions are whack and out of place.

Legs are different sizes, upperarm and forearm is this condensed blobarm, the chest is way too thick, and head and shoulders are too far back. Also the knees contact the floor in conflicting perspectives. I'm not going to try to figure out whats going on with the hands.

>>1625213
>upperarm and forearm is this condensed blobarm, ... I'm not going to try to figure out whats going on with the hands.
It's fanart, so character design is out of my hands. She's a fox thing with animal forearms. I posted this one because it's my most recent "serious" drawing.
>Legs are different sizes ... Also the knees contact the floor in conflicting perspectives.
Part of this may be because I thought the legs in the original sketch were too short and I did a cut and paste job of moving the joints and inked around it. Is the problem as bad in the sketch? You can also see some remnants of the construction, but sadly I erased most of it during the detailed sketch. Basically there's the chest and hip with the limbs and head as balls and lines.
I basically do a couple of passes, where the first time is like a skeleton and the second is already a somewhat detailed sketch with very little changes for the inking. What would be a good method?
> the chest is way too thick, and head and shoulders are too far back.
This is probably just me looking at myself. I have a pretty big barrel chest.

mawile
some perspective issues but i'm afraid i made her a little too "human"

>>1625292
Yeah, and her steel horns aren't actually mouths so there would be no drool coming from them.

Suggestions? I can feel that the left arm is out of place.

>>1625292
I like it. It feels like a good blend of human and pokemon to me.

>>1625150
but I'm using a construction method. Not using his "ideal" proportions, of course, but I've been constructing this entire time. I have a procedure, and the product is the same.

Thank you for the advice about the tilt. Someone else recommended flipping, but I draw with pencil and paper. Do you have similar advice that works in the same way? On a side note, I'm working on acquiring a lightbox, and I think it will help.

>>1625331
Flip the paper and look at a lamp through it?

>>1625331
you could, you know, use a literal mirror.

or take a photo of your work on your phone and flip it then.

>>1625231
oh wow, not that anon, but if you are going to justify yourself like that, why are you even posting on this thread?

Also, broken arms and legs. Plus fake abs and muscles in general. And sand bag tits

>>1624432
buy them bulk next time

>>1625307
That's cute bro.

>>1625307
It's difficult to criticize super-deformed works, but I'd have to say it's probably too bendy and inconsistent.

Super-deformed will still look better if you have indications of proper anatomy, like in this example by abua.

>>1625333
>>1625335
>you could, you know, use a literal mirror
>use a literal mirror
>mirror

i feel

so dumb

>>1625331
>but I'm using a construction method.

If you feel you are, then that's fine. If you are already walking the path, then there's nothing left other than becoming better at it through practice.

But the question remains, are you really constructing rather than doing busywork, and are you fully using it to your advantage? I thought the two drawings you posted were great, except there weren't enough to show you were drawing with freedom. That's what construction gives you. Freedom to draw without always having to copy something, freedom to draw from imagined angles, freedom that comes from the ability to extrapolate from limited information. You drew a front and a profile, but can you draw high and low 3/4 views? Can you draw from the back? If you looked at another artist's front and profile drawing, can you create different views without any help? Even very loose scribbles can be turned into a face, if you can create convincing alignment and balance. It's something that can be done in seconds.

>I have a procedure, and the product is the same.

You may not be fully divorced from subject matter when you are constructing, and that kind of goes back to the original question.

I think a good exercise/test is to do some simple sketches of characters that use basic shapes in a complex way. Many Nintendo characters fall into this category, for some reason. Find a few references so you know what shapes they are made of, but draw them in a unique pose, with a lot of foreshortening and clipping. If you are really constructing, you should be able to shift those shapes around.

>Do you have similar advice that works in the same way?

These kinds of problems tend to be repeated consistently, so you just have to compensate for it when you draw. If you have a consistent vertical skew, then you may want to use more vertical construction lines in more places.

>>1625432
Thanks.
>>1625442
Ye I'm still trying to work anatomy out. Thanks anyway. The example looks great

>>1625455
>do some simple sketches of characters that use basic shapes in a complex way. Many Nintendo characters fall into this category
Not the person you're talking to, but this sounds like a really helpful exercise. I've been having trouble producing shapes in extreme angles...

Speaking of that, could I get a perspective check on this sketch? It's going to be animu related so I may as well post WIPs here.

Do you practice construction by copying?
I'm doing Loomis, but I find pretty hard constructing by myself, for example I still can't visualize a tridimensional nose

How can I improve?

So I haven't drawn for a while, and I'm trying to get back into the swing of things. I drew this on the lunch break at work.

I know the head is... pretty damn fucked up, and I didn't draw the toes, but it's been a while since I put pencil to paper.

I'm gonna start going over Loomis and all that jazz soon, and pretty much want to know if I'm boned and should try and forget everything I know about drawing, focus on learning a specific area, or what.

>>1625537
You can improve, alot.

*BADUM TISH*

Sorry about that, my mouth likes to run off on it's own, just like hers!

*ROARING LAUGHTER*

Just kidding you, you look lovely, just like an angel... angel hair pasta that is.

Thank you, Thank you, I'm here all night.

I've recently gotten back into drawing thanks to picking up a tablet on a whim and now I'm wondering what sites you guys use to post your work.

I only know of two art sites, one is that site we do not name here, but honestly I don't really want to use that one anyway. And the other is pixiv which looks interesting but I know nothing about it.

A friend suggested using wordpress but I don't really want to post my stuff in a blog.

>>1625604
tumblr,cghub, some are still on Conceptart.org and deviant art,

Facebook seems like a major player as well, and instagram, but i don't use either of those.

>>1625604
read the OP

>>1625557
that's not help at all.

>>1625614
he's saying that the hair looks like pasta and the mouth is wonky

it's helpful to at least some degree, you know where the biggest problems are now

>>1625506

>>1625816
teal how come you never post your art here.

these redlines are great but i'd like to see a finished piece from you.

>>1625822

Shut up

Shut the fuck up

Not here

Not now

Not again

No

NO

>>1625826
Get back to drawing, Anon.

>>1625826

Goddammit moot that wasn't the picture I uploaded

>>1625822
I always assumed it's better we don't see Teal's actual work, since it would possibly shatter many anon's image of Teal-senpai.

>want to turn in something I drew
>remember all I've been drawing recently is furfag shit
fuk

>>1625831
You too, go back to work on your drawing.

>>1625830
Yeah, sure.

>>1625828
>>1625834

You're not my dad

>>1625834
Having a block right now. Desperately searching for inspiration.

>>1625839
Here, join me in drawing this. Please don't make up an excuse just do it.

>>1625832
If you actually want critique i don't see a problem with that, people here draw many weird things, and we all want
critique.

>>1625831
I've seen it. You don' t have to assume. You really don't want to see it. Your image will be shattered.

>>1625842
I cant fap to a bug

>>1625853
I really don't think so, some of his drawings are very impressive and especially his animation.
If content is what you are talking about then than differ from person to person i guess,
because i enjoy his work.

>>1625848
Alright, I know it's probably pretty shit. But I guess you gotta start someplace.

>>1625816

Something I forgot to mention.

>>1625864

Why is perspective so fucking neat?

>>1625865
it's all just an illusion, anon

I thinking about making a comic about a really tall younger sister that gender bends her manlet older brother into a little girl. Making him her little sister. Then they do stuff and hijinks ensue.

>>1625875
/d/ would lust for you.

>>1625875
There's money to be made off this.

>>1625860
Unfortunately it is, like this guy said,>>1625442 even oversized work needs good anatomy,
either animal or human, or both. Yours looks like leather, and you have very obvious beginner
mistakes, like hairy lines and lines that form piece by piece like legos instead of confident
complete strokes.I am basically screaming loomis to you, in a more polite manner, as there is no fixing to your drawing, however this is not something to be discouraged about as you have all of the world's knowledge in front of you. You should seriously open your books anon

>>1625875
I'd totally read it.
The faces you draw look very doujinesque already.

>>1625885
You will find words that make no sense in this post, i am sorry.
Such is the power of auto correction.

So recently I've noticed a few people have been posting on my DA account suggesting I come here. One even suggested the previous version of this thread. I'm not entirely sure I'm at a stage where I'd feel comfortable as a regular on this thread/board but I wanted to post anyway, show I've taken note of people's comments.

>>1625875
Do it pls

>>1625875
It will be a great experience for you so do it. But don't forget to post all pages here
for critique.

Something I made because I was bored.

>>1625878>>1625909
>>1625892

I'm glad I'm getting some positive feed back. Height superiority/inferiority humiliation always kind of been a fetish of mine, and just humiliation in general.

the back story behind this is that the main characters younger sister moved away for several years to go some private boarding middle school. When she returns home for a summer break the MC is shocked to find his little sister has out grown him almost a foot in height and shes way stronger too.


I cant decide if it should be h or not. I'm leaning towards no.
also I suck a writing. I think I have a lot of good ideas for different things that could happen. I just have to string them together.

>>1625893
I get what you're saying, I'll try and start looking into Loomis and all that. Thanks.

>>1625929
>No h
>I suck a writing.

What's the point then? just make it that in the second chapter some senpai of the big brother sees him
crossdress and fucks him in the ass, then he fucks his sister while the senpai fucks him in the ass, then it's complete.

havent drawn for a long time

Hello all! This is one of my most recent drawings that I've done, after 2-3 weeks of getting back into art after 10 or so years of not doing art (due to giving up out of sheer frustration of not being able to draw anything proper, but that was due to severe lack of proper training and/or help). I have one other that's more recent than this, but maybe I'll post that later...this is for an OC that I have for a FE hack.

In any case, I've been attempting to draw heads, hair, and faces the past 2-3 weeks really (this is probably better than what I started with...). I know there are issues in this drawing (the heads for instance aren't properly proportioned, eyes aren't exactly right, etc., but am looking for more feedback as to what I could do to improve. Most of what I've been doing is frontal views (there's a couple angled views I've done, but not many).

Again, any feedback or criticism would be much appreciated. I would love to be able to produce semi-decent art for at least some of my favorite characters, as well as for my own characters in general. ^^

http://xenomic.deviantart.com/art/Shyam-Faces-424743065

(I have no choice but to post the link. The files I scanned are far too big to upload via the browse here. I apologize for that. If you decide to see the Random Drawings gallery, do ignore the older art. ^^;; )

>>1625989
FTFY

Oh, thanks. For some reason it wouldn't upload for me and I don't know why...actually, I guess all I needed to do was trim it down right...? >_>;;

>>1625816
>>1625864

>>1625989
how old are you?

>>1626036
>>_>;;
>^^;;)
>:3
>XD
>X3
>:3!

The sooner you go lurk /pol/, the better my son. You'll grow out of it eventually.

>>1626047
27 good sir/madam. Why do you ask? o.o?

I know my art isn't anything spectacular at all, but I am trying to learn. I am currently only focusing on getting the shapes and anatomy right for females at the moment. Shading, values, line art, etc. are things that I'll deal with once I manage to get those down. Mostly characters I am trying to deal with. ^^;

>>1626048
I guess that was one of those moments where I just didn't think about it until after it was already done. Happens now and again I suppose.

>>1626043
:^)

>>1625989
>I would love to be able to produce semi-decent art for at least some of my favorite characters

Your way of thinking is wrong, so along with it your way of learning as well i suspect.
It's like saying that you want to learn how to write some good stories of one kind
without learning the language. It's either all or nothing here.

>>1626022
At... At least you've got consistency going for ya....

>>1626059
you have the drawing skills of an average 12 year old who watched one anime
I'd recommend you to learn human anatomy and foundations before going into anime style

if youre eager to improve try daily to draw one random pic from http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tags=
just NEVER trace the original, it will get you nowhere

>>1626071
I suppose so. I have been told to learn the basic fundamentals, though what those are, I honestly could not say. Again, I haven't really had any proper training in art, nor anyone to really teach me how to do things proper.

When I started with drawing heads, I started with a couple tutorials (perfect circle with a cross in the center, then 3-4 lines down at various points for the eyes/eyebrows/nose/mouth, then do the jawline from there, fill in the details, etc.). I know that's not the most optimal way of learning as it's basically just muscle memory...

>>1626073
It's not very good consistency though. I can spot where my errors are (faces aren't proportioned properly at all for one, and the eyes aren't exactly super stellar. Trying to go with the more anime/manga style than anything else, which is probably a bad place to start but...), it's just a matter of understanding and learning from those mistakes to correct them and apply them to any situation with heads in general. Hence why I'm generally sticking with heads for the time being (despite me trying to work on shoulders/arms/upper torso as well now...). I know there's ways of doing each body part (for instance, the whole circle with cross thing for the head, and I swear I remember shoulders are said to be half a face's width from the side of the heads, and if a triangle is done from the top of the heads to each shoulder, then connected in the center, that's where the collarbone would be. Things like that).

For those curious, what got me back into doing art in the first place was Fire Emblem: Awakening, mostly seeing some fantastic fanart for my favorite characters from said game. I wanted to be able to get as good as those people, if not better, so I decided to take art back up. Whether or not I can do it though is another question entirely however...

I apologize for the wall of text. Just had a lot to say is all. ^^;

>>1626076
Ouch...but I suppose that is kinda true. That's kinda why I've been sticking with heads as it is and trying to master that before moving along. Unless there's something else I need to start with first? I kinda know about shading, line art, values, etc.. I don't use them very often though as I'm just focusing on getting basic shapes right and whatnot.

I have been trying to follow some tutorials over on DeviantArt and YouTube but whether or not those are for me is another question entirely. I DO have a couple anatomy books on my end too...I just feel like I'd do better with having a teacher moreso than books in this instance but that's me.

Perhaps I should get an assignment on something to try first before doing random pics from Danbooru? My dad did try to get me to draw an American football which I actually contemplated on but dunno if THAT would help or anything...

>>1626083
http://alexhays.com/loomis/

Download Fun with a Pencil and Drawing Heads and Hands as well as Successful drawing and Figure drawing.

Get to work, don't let me down and I will be watching you. Believe in yourself...believe.

>>1626086
Don't forget "Creative Illustration"

>>1626088
And watch glenn vilppu lessons if you get tired of reading to take a break. But whatever you do
don't fall into the "tutorial" trap again.

>>1626083
Deviantart barely has any useful knowledge
If youre looking up tutorials i'd recommends sycra
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sycra

You might think you know shading,etc but think again about it, once you put it to practice.
Do you REAAAALLY know and CAN you actually do it.

I still recommend danbooru the most, this way you can experience all different styles of others and seek your own from them. The harder the task, the more you learn from them.
I dont ask you to draw from the pics picture perfect, don't expect to draw like them in the first couple of year.

>>1626094
Yeah...the tutorials I was using there wasn't helping too incredibly much. Neither was Mark Crilley's videos. I did see one or two from Sycra regarding the female body (though I got confused a bit as to what was going on...probably a sign of me not knowing what I'm doing or something).

I suppose that is true. I don't do them nearly enough to actually SAY I know how they're fully done I guess...

Aye, I know I won't get to draw like them in the first couple of years (though in all honesty, I'd really love to improve at least at a decently quick pace...but I know that's probably not going to happen). At one point I was doing basically "copy art" years ago (drawing what I saw), but I never "learned" from doing so, which I think is kinda backfiring on me now...

Will probably give those tutorials a read-through and try, though hopefully my patience lasts long enough to get through them. ^^;;

Actually, if I may inquire, would using Loomis be a good first place for someone to learn things from? Or would the whole once-a-day Danbooru thing be better?

Just for a quick little thing I did in Photoshop (my mouse skills aren't exactly stellar...). I remember seeing this particular thing before (I think it was Sycra actually that did it??), and it was something I was trying to use as a base for the proportions and stuff (the head thing I recall learning from Mark Crilley actually and not Sycra). I didn't do the legs as I've forgotten how he handled it, but I recall the shapes being vaguely like this...

I'll probably get around to reading more Loomis...maybe. That is a looooot of reading I noticed, and reading is not something I've ever been super good at keeping at. ^^;;

And for those really curious, this is the particular fanart that got me wanting to get good at art once again and to get as good, if not better, than what got me wanting to do it again:

http://i.imgur.com/w17XkIR.png

>>1626111
> Mark Crilley
Yeah... you are probably not going to learn much from his "tutorials". It's always the hardest in the beginning, everyone has their own pace. You have to start with the basics - that's what the sticky is for. While you study, you want to find inspirations and artists you enjoy and learn from them. Be very patient and persistent, because it all takes a long time.

Good luck, anon.

>>1626043

There are two components to this.

>>1626043

There are two components to this.

>>1625816
>>1625864
>>1626043
Thank you very much. I appreciate it a lot.

>>1626176
that actually explains it, thanks. who woulda thunk that an ellipse, even in perspective, must always have perfectly horizontal and vertical... er, guidelines?
btw, did you just approximate the proportion of a square bounding plane?

I spent the better part of today drawing skulls at different perspectives, studying faces, and practicing construction, but I'm at a point where I've reached some barrier with my understanding of heads. Can someone point me in the right direction? Sorry about the crudeness.

>>1626214
have you tried applying what you've learned '-'

>>1626176
Can you point me towards something on "advanced" perspective? Looking for using MP on a 3 point in particular

>>1626214
it shouldn't be a complete circle, you're suppose to cut the sides a little

>>1626214
Did Ibuki get a lobotomy or something

>>1624757
youtube, sycra, how to draw breasts.

>>1626206
>who woulda thunk that an ellipse, even in perspective, must always have perfectly horizontal and vertical

A person with a superficial understanding of perspective. There is a world of difference between representation and imitation.

Stay cancerous.

>>1626486
you didn't prove anything with that image, the vertical and horizontal are still straight.

>>1626493
you need to have your hand held?

>>1626503
wow it's tilted
wow that changes nothing

>>1626503
Not that Anon, but that is a terrible example. The Vanishing points are too close to each other creating a distortion.

>>1626507
in other words...

>>1626206
In 2 points or three points perspective, they dont have vertical nor horizontal guidelines, but these guidelines must always be perpendicular.

>>1625929
have you a deviantart or something?

>>1626507
the semi-minor values aren't symmetrical, it's pretty obvious.

Stay cancerous.

>>1626521
Yeah, that's what i meant.

>>1626528
Ok, stay ignorant, retard.

>>1626529

ellipse=/=foreshorten circle

Notice how the "guidelines" in >>1626521 don't tell much about putting the circle in perspective--they are "after the fact". Also pay attention to how the curves near widest points aren't symmetrical top and bottom. Difference is minimal, but it's still there. Rely on using ellipses too heavily and you become cancerous.

>>1626552

This is the entire ellipse flipped and superimposed. There is still perfect symmetry, the redline itself was off by only 2 pixels.

>this thread
Good job /ic/, you stayed classy

>>1625853
Do you have a link? I've wanted to see his work for ages now. I heard from a few people the stuff he draws is pretty messed up.

>>1626566
It's not really messed up for 4chan standards, not even half as bad as Kylechickenlegdude does it.

>>1626557
If it was "perfect" then there wouldn't need to be that "2 pixel difference" excuse. Stop making excuses for your hindsight bias. Anyone who has taken a class in perspective will tell you an ellipse isn't always a foreshortened circle. (The pic >>1626486 is taken from the textbook Drawing from Observation by Brian Curtis.) Additionally, any draftsman will tell you an ellipse is primarily used in paraline perspective, which doesn't use converging orthogonals. To note also, an ellipse is a slice from a cone hence it's part in conics. Mathematically and constructive wise it has very little to do with linear perspective.

The sides of a circle should converge to VP like a box would. Your ellipse doesn't do that.You reasonably expect the sides of a circle to NOT follow the same rules of linear perspective as the box does? Why the sudden exemption? Because the circle is purely isotropic? So what, so is a cube!

Stay cancerous. Keep showing your hivemind ignorance.

>>1626572
But I still want to see it. Curiosity is a bitch.

>>1626572
yeah, the dolphinboyrapethingypic is pretty standard with you "anons"

>>1626582
http://simontblr.tumblr.com/

Any tips? This drawing is like a year old I think but I still think it was my best shot at drawing a full body. I don't often draw bodies and tend to have tremendous problems with drawing legs.

Also feet and hands in general.

>>1626582
he steals/copies a lot from conoghi
http://www.pixiv.com/users/14259

>>1626595
Has no organic unity, looks as if you copied (from memory) in piecemeal like fashion. Learn to grow your drawing ability from line to form, invent for yourself. And stop posting old shit.

>>1626597
I'm pretty fucking sure they're just friends and influence each other. Conoghi's not Japanese, after all.

>>1626597
Yea at first I though that was just his art on that simontblr tumbrl but it seems to be this conoghi guy.
>>1626591
All of his own art seems to be gone on that blog. All I can find is reblogs of other artists. Even if you click his Art tag on the side there's nothing. Kinda disappointed :/

>>1626597
>steals
anon pls, it's the same person

Happy with the lines and how the shading on the skin came along but shading and coloring hair has always been one of my demons and I have no idea where to even start.

Help.

>>1625007
Her features seem nice but the neck and shoulders need some tweaking. The neck seems very long if you draw it under her hair and the shoulders are in a slightly different plane than the head. Pic related is two ways you can fix that.

Actually there's a couple of vids of teal drawing smut if you look around.
Like these for example:
http://chat.pixiv.net/roomtop.php?id=498375
http://chat.pixiv.net/roomtop.php?id=491913

>>1626607
>>1626603
>>1626602
>>1626597
>>1626591
>>1626582
>>1626618


Who cares. Mind your own businesses, work on your art, git gud and stop this gossiping this is why you people don't improve you spend all this time on this shit instead of studying.

>W-why aren't you studying faggit?

As a matter of fact I am stop bullshitting.

>>1626623
Oh Teal, it's ok. We still fucking love you. We're just hungry for more Teal art that's all.

>>1626623
TDF pls, i just pointed out the obvious: teal IS that conoghi guy.

>>1626631
But they ain't. Watch http://chat.pixiv.net/roomtop.php?id=491913.. The two perverts are cackling about Sugar Rush and voice actors. The left is Conongi and the right is simon.

>this person is better than me, time to talk shit

we are the cancer

>>1626671
>takes everything as a personal insult

Yep, nothing wrong you, OK, whatever

>>1626618
wow, thanks for the unwatchable links.

All i see is a bunch of fucking moon runes which apparently say I can only watch it if I'm 18, which I am, and even registered with them to "prove" it, and a link to the main page of pixiv.

>>1626671
>i'm a pleb so everybody is a pleb, and the animu thread is the pleb haven where we plebs can admire people like teal.
that's you.
and that's what i dislike the most with these threads

>>1626714
>if you're not insulting this guy that means you're admiring them!

lol, retarded logic of retards.

oh FFS, where is the janitor to purge all this nonsense?

>>1626719
"qui tacet consentire videtur"

>>1626711
Works fine for me. Not my fault you're failing at basic age gates.

>>1626737
try shouting kim jung-un is shit once you're on north korea.

>>1626740
>alone: in bad company

>>1626719
>how does logic work

>u r jealous if u say something about teal
that's what i was trying to say about you. you are projecting your feelings onto others.
maybe you admire him and are jealous of his skills, but i'm not.
not really.

and just admit it, that's exactly what you think. you believe that all the people being negative (or just neutral!) towards teal are "jealous".
because for some reason you just hold that high of an opinion on that guy.

>>1626740
>animu thread is now north korea
sounds true

>>1626745
>not insulting is being silent
>adhering every decision to a stupid quote instead of judging it after looking at the context.

>>1626747
I'm neutral towards teal, apparently asking people to stop attacking personally is admiring lol, maybe if you guys talk about his technical shortcoming instead then I'll stop calling you guys retard but that's not gonna work given you people suck at drawing.

>>1626749
What context? This is bunch retards looking for confirmation. Not really a deep well of "context"

going pretty /a/ here but subs or dubs for spessu dandee

>>1626756
super porn.

One day I'm gonna git gud, and draw all my characters with Williams Syndrome, just like Teal. Araki eat your heart out!

>>1626762
confirmed for day never coming, also admitting to be shit, lol.

I'm so good at drawing, eat your heart out kim jang jung.

>>1626751
but nobody attacked teal, they were just talking about his accounts.

>>1626763
>>1626751
>lol

I have a quick technical question for you guys with regards to aliasing and resizing.

When I draw lines/curves with a program like Illustrator, you can tell they are aliased when viewed at the original size (100% zoom). So in order to get around that, I export it to a large size and then downsize the image with Photoshop (after I'm done with the coloring), and the jagged edges/aliasing are usually gone.

My question is, at what multiple should I downsize to get optimal results with removal of aliasing? Is 0.5x (ex. 800x600 to 400x300) enough or excessive? Can I get away with 0.75x? 0.25x? I'm using "Bicubic sharper" for the resampling.

>>1626770
really?

Dodson can take criticism better than Teal.

>>1626780
Dobson can draw better than you as well.

>>1626782
Dobson can draw better than any faggot that frequents these threads, that includes you as well.

>>1626793
dobson can draw better than /ic/ in general

>>1626796
It's the sad truth, and I admit it to myself. Dobson can draw better than I and the great majority of /ic/. That includes The Criley, and Christopher Hart I am being sincere here. You all talk the talk but can't walk the walk when it comes to showing your drawing during an argument.

>>1626782
>>1626793
>>1626796
Thanks guys but I really know that so no need to reaffirmed it for me.

>>1626797
>mfw i was just counterbaiting to see your reaction
>mfw you actually agree that you are worse than dodson
that's pathetic.

dobson can sure draw better then this abomination of a thread. but not outside of here.

dumb asses. this thread is the kiddy table of ic

>>1626811
I only have close to a year of drawing while others have several, there's no argument here.

>>1626810
yes, now that's more the kind of reply i expected.
not that it's any less rearded

I can't tell what's real anymore! Stop ruining best thread on /ic/! Board without moderation is like kids spoiled with bad/nonexistent parenting!

Dobson is better than any anon here--including Teal--because:

1. Has bigger balls. He not a coward who believes he needs to hide with kind of anonymity to talk about his work. He's not afraid to hide even at his shittiest level. He'll put his name out there.

2. Is persistent. He manages several webcomics and deals with a shit-ton of /ic/ style "critiques" and is still able to practice on a daily basis.

3. Doesn't plagiarize. When he produces a work, he puts real creative effort into it. He knows the difference between flattery, and flat out copying. He isn't hung up on repeatedly drawing the same character in another man's style

4. Can draw in different styles. He doesn't pray to the church of MUH STYLE. He knows how to observe and draw in more ways than one. He knows what goes into cartooning, and isn't blinded by popular appeal.

5. Doesn't fap to CP, nor advocates it. 'Nuff said.

6. Is credible and published. He's out there making a name for himself, regardless of the backlash or humiliation. He has a reputation none the less.

7. Has real friends that support him. And not a bunch superficial jokers that "follow" him. And some of those friends are real professionals.

So basically, if you look pass the rumors and conjectures, he's better than you because he is not emotionally dependent on others, like you. He doesn't need other people to benchmark on how he should feel about something, and following from that he is able to function more normally than you every will. It's just a fact, accept it already.

>>1626855
These anons ARE the mods and janitors. Where have you been?

>>1626855

let it go gohan

>>1625551
if you fuckers are done arguing

No-one answered this

>>1626930
Needs more Dobson

>>1626945
but dobson haet animu

How am I doing guys?

>>1626946
So did Loomis, what's your point?

>>1626954
>So did loomis
I doubt loomis was exposed to animu

While dobson blames his mediocrity on animu

>>1626958
And I doubt you were ever exposed to any formal or proper art education. While Dobson's "hate" may be considered a justification for your kind to dismiss him, that doesn't change the lesson he learned from his mistake:

"...I realized that rather than learning the tools of the trade, I had forgone a lot of the technical knowledge I needed to draw in my efforts to copy a foreign style. Anime had, in fact, corrupted my ability to draw anything... I’m not trying to say that Anime and Manga is EVIL, but I do feel that we’ve become over-saturated with it to the point that it’s actually becoming detrimental to our collective growth as artists...Its not specifically Anime and Manga I hate, it’s the over saturation effect it’s had on us and our artwork."
~http://syacartoonist.com/mistakes

If you want to call that "haet," fine. But that doesn't change the sweet irony of Dobson knowing better than any anon here as to why their animu sucks.

>>1626964
Anime is literally shit anyways. Why do people like it?

>>1626953

>Schoolgirl sniper

Ugh. Content aside, have you ever looked at a sniper? That position you have her in is terrible.

>>1626953
I like how instead of drawing her feet you drew a brick instead.

>>1626972
We only have shotguns and .22 rifles here so no, unless airsoft counts.
Is this kind of posing any better?

>>1626978

Instead of asking, why don't you try it yourself? Use something to emulate the weight of the gun.

>>1626976
I like it too (´・ω・｀)

>>1626979
I have a shotgun and a few replica guns.
I usually just recall stuff from movies or whatever

>>1626971
It's the perfect drug for teens. Think about it, the entire industry baits with dramatizing the emotional and sexual angst of minors and hooks the audience with nonchalant social plays that pander to stereotypical worldviews. It's built from the ground up to serve consumption, conservatism, and conformism.

>>1626983
/k/ommando here.

Do yourself a favor and reference photos from actual soldiers and Marines in their element so you can get a feel for how the equipment is actually handled. It may very well be because I'm autistic when it comes to fire arms but I feel It's always much more impressive to see someone pay attention to detail like authentic gear, a proper stance and trigger discipline.

Nowi was kinda used as a base again, but this was my attempt at a quick sketch (less than 10 minutes or so) of a head in an angled view, with some shading and heavier line art. Could be better of course, but it's not the world's worse I think. I've yet to read the Loomis books I have, nor either of the other books I have, and felt like doing a quick practice to see how I'd do the shading. Light source is from the left. I know my shading isn't exactly stellar either, but I think it's not TOO terrible...maybe.

Also, had to turn up the brightness or whatever on the image when scanned, since the scanner reduced the lineart I did. Ugh...and because of me doing so, you can see the eraser marks and crap. >_>;;

>>1627056
Take it step by step broski, diving int planes of light and shadow is too early for you and you don't want to overwhelm yourself. It would make more sense if you understood form first, not to mention proportions. Any shading you do will be turd polishing and no matter how good you polish it's still a turd with fundamental issues.

Yeah, I was more or less seeing if I could actually DO any form of shading, after saying that I kinda knew how to do so. That was all this was really aside from a quick sketch.

I've still yet to figure out the best way to start though. Yes, I know I have the Loomis books but again, I don't know if sitting there and reading all of that will be practical for me or not. Not saying it CAN'T help but...@_@;

>>1627062
>I've still yet to figure out the best way to start though.

There is no "best way" to start, you just start and fail and fail again but as long as you learn from your failures you will improve in time. The sooner you start the sooner you'll begin improvement do not be ashamed to fail we all started off just like you.

>>1627064
Aye, that is true. Nobody ever started out "perfect" or whatnot. I'm just used to the whole "copy art" shenanigans that I've done in the past (which is evident in my DeviantArt gallery, but the 10+ year old images are still poor quality regardless).

It's just...I don't know lol. Maybe my method of learning is bad or something? It's like, I look at my most recent stuff, and compare it from one to another, and it -FEELS- like I'm getting better but...I know it's not significant enough. Maybe I SHOULD do the Danbooru thing after all, and try to put the images into a different position or pose or whatever than what is shown. @_@;;

>>1627068
Your learning process is entirely up to you, take the advice that you find best here from /ic/ don't let Anons tell you what to do or how to learn something; you learn how you feel most comfortable and what makes sense to you.

Observation from life, hands on practice, reading materials from old masters as well as discussing or talking about these things may help. Most importantly be patient with yourself. I participate here frequently if you have any other questions for me or if you want some advice, good luck.

>>1626774
Always draw three times the size of the intended finished product.

>>1627062
My advice would be to start with line drawings of 3d objects from all different perspectives. That's what I wish I would've done when I started out instead of jumping right to figure drawing.

>>1627120
Hrmm...so mayhaps something like drawing my computer tower in multiple perspectives as an example? I was thinking of doing that last night while converting a video for my Let's Play but never went through with it.

should the eyes follow the motion of the line or focus on the line in relation to the big picture?

>>1626572
the stuff I draw isn't that messed up. is it?
I did do a scat commission one time. not really my thing but rendering poop is fun

this one was the last commission I did

>>1626523

I have a tumblr and an HF
I have a deviant art but I don't use it anymore

>>1627131
Now requesting chickenloli to render poop. For ummm... reasons

>>1627131
>tattoo

Absolutely ruined.

>>1624954
I was in your boat for a long time.

Upgrade dude, treat yourself to something large. You'll be thrown off at first, but once you get the hang of it your line quality improves tremendously.

>>1627131
And what's the bame of the tumblr?

>>1627138
oops, i mean name

>>1626983
>>1626979
>>1626978
>>1626953
I know it's like beating a dead horse in this thread, but please loomis. You've got features creeping everywhere, noodle anatomy and almost nonsensical perspective. Basics are basics for a reason. Start with basic 3d shapes and move on from that.

This is just a sketch, I know legs/feet/boobs are shite.

The proportions are also a bit wonky. But I've been sketching over actual poses in photoshop with gesture drawings and the blocky shape thing. I'm trying to get a feel for what goes where. I know my general proportions/anatomy in theory, but theory is different than practice. Is this going to screw me over in the long run?

just finished this commission...

>>1627139
kairunoburogu
>>1627132

>>1627146
That anus looks like it's where the coccyx should be.

>>1627149

I'd put my coccyx in her anus if you know what I mean.

>>1627146
You're joking, right?

>>1627146
left butt cheek looks deformed or something

>>1627131
seriously... who faps to this kind of shit. great job technically tho.

>>1627131
Man hands

>>1627132
Not him, but it's not that easy to draw good looking scat, also i would like to see your scat since i am also
trying to get it right. I think Dokurosan and Erect sawaru does great poop,you must find a good balance so it's not
too detailed, since i don't really like real poop but also not very detailed so you are not looking at an alien object.
It's a challenge since i don't like real scat but i like the idea of a human doing something so humiliating in front of everyone
so i try to find a good balance to strip as much of the "disgusting factor" so all its left is the idea of the taboo. I wonder what
do real scat fans like, do you find very ditailed scat better than more "manga like"?

>scat

>>1627229
There is no line in phantasy.

>>1627231

>>1627240
Don't be, I won't stalk you for your poop.

>>1627241

Tried fixing up the motorcycle.
Also tried adding bodies, which was much harder than I thought in perspective. Still working on the bodies, but any tips while I'm fixing it?

Blue's leg feels dislocated (too far right).

>>1627244
Personally I'd place them a little bit farther from the fuel tank, it looks like the driver is sitting on its edge.
Or rather than that fucking it.

Is there any translation for the 0033 tutorials, i mean they're pretty popular here, and amongst the board it should have some people that speak japanese.

>>1627131
Where did you learn to shade the skin creases?

>>1627373
His handwriting is really messy which is why not many people bother to translate them.
I think out of all of them, only his hand tutorial is translated

You will know who I am referring too, regarding a camera with good audio. My deepest condolences. Hold on tight to those bits of memories for comfort and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers now. God bless and thank you for what you've been doing here.

>>1627424
What

>>1627452
It's a little bit cryptic, so only people who know will understand and I posted it here as I wish to remain Anonymous.

>>1627466
>Only muh sekrit club will understand
Secret club, plz leave.

>>1627473
It's very personal, please understand.

>>1627475
And what the fuck does that have to do with /ic/? go post on reddit or something. This isnt your blog.

>>1627424
>regarding a camera with good audio. My deepest condolences.
Did you broke the camera?

>>1627482
>so only people who know will understand

>>1627483
Surprising when I saw it, was touched

>>1627131
How do I make myself like futa? I

>>1627483
Then do us all a favour and find yourself a personal way to communicate.
You do understand that there are numerous ways to stay anonymous on the internet
without having to post your personal matters on off topic public boards.

>>1625929
If you suck at writing just make it ero. That way you wont have to write much to tell a story. Loving the character designs for the most part but im not a fan of the huge breasted girls. What you could do is have a milf character maybe a teacher with the huge breasts. The sister can take the brother to her boarding school and there he can get raped by many of the girls there including some of the teachers.

Hell maybe even have a final panel where the principal or even a male teacher fucks him in the ass.

>>1627373

I thought with all the weeaboos here someone would be able to translate.

>>1627486

As you should do with any other fetish you don't get, fap until you like it.

>>1627507
Even if someone know the kanji its handwritten and pretty sloppy too, you must be on a higher lvl to understand that shit.

>>1627406

Does anyone happen to have the hand tutorial?

>>1627145

>sketching over actual poses in photoshop

Isn't that essentially tracing?

>>1627128

When drawing a line you should only be concerned where it starts and ends, then make a clean stroke from one to the other. Following the motion might hinder that so focus on the overall picture.

>>1626111
Keinan Lafferty has really good videos talking dealing with color, perspective, basic figures and whatnot. Since he is self taught he seems to have a less theoretical way of explaining things.

>>1627131
Whats your HF?

>>1627551
Same as tumblr

>>1627559
Kairuhentai. Took me a few minutes to find it.

>>1625875
Are you trying to make me fap? That sounds fucking amazing.

>>1626953
I liked the pose so I did a sketch. What can I improve?

>>1627614
perspective, anatomy, and line quality, dear god line quality.

>>1627614
The left arm looks pretty broken

>>1627146
>filename 1387728607535.jpg
>uploaded over two years ago

>>1627636
WTF is the point of claiming art as your own on anonymous board?

>>1627642
>anime thread

>>1627517
Kind of? I'm not tracing lines and shit, I'm doing blocks mostly to try to get a feel for how to draw it. Kind of muscle memory for proportions I guess. But I don't know if it's actually going to help or if it's like training wheels on a bike, where it keeps you upright but teaches you the wrong techniques for turning so you end up on your duff when you take them off.

Thread nearing auto-sage.

>>1627700

I guess as long you take that feeling and try to test yourself by working on an actual drawing later it won't hurt too much. Though I feel whether it's copying contours or blocking shapes in, working on top of another drawing doesn't really challenge your brain to think how to construct the figure. One exercise you might find helpful in figuring out proportions/anatomy is trying to sketch the same pose from different angles.

New Thread:

>>1627707
>>1627707
>>1627707

Whoops forgot to sage this one arrrgh.

>>1627713

It's already past bump limit anyway.

>>1627721
reference is here

>>1625842

>>1627131
Serious skill there, my good sir.

Finally gathered the courage to paint H... and I'm pretty sure that I'm addicted to this already.

Newfag here, never drawn anything beyond shitty doodles and traces. I was thinking of learninghow to draw proper, but I would also like to learn anime/manga style primarily.

Do I still stick to the drawing guides in the top page, or are there any guides for both beginners and wanting to learn anime style?

>>1627791
People are going to parrot loomis to you, but first pick up Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. After learning how to sketch from reference, loomis can teach you how to mess around with shapes. Browse the previous stylization threads for more advice and tips. People are just going to constantly tell you loomis here.

>>1627791
Just curious.

Why didn't you read the /ic/ sticky?
Getting beyond that, why didn't you read the OP?

This isn't an attack. There just must be a better way to avoid people constantly asking where to start.

>>1627852

I did. I was just asking for personal opinion for someone who wants to start with an anime art style.

>>1627907
Pretty sure not starting with a style is your best option.

Are my Torsos still too long?

>>1627736
Her stomach/hips look out of place. VERY out of place. I wish I could give you a reference but I can't find any helpful ones.

Anyhow, it's good that you've managed to experiment with nsfw drawings. They can be pretty fun.

>>1628441

So going back to the basics I guess, trying to do heads again from scratch. I know that they need to be more...eggshaped? But looking at this, this doesn't feel right even doing it this way...I don't know what it is, but just...ugh! >_<

I did look at the Loomis book "Fun with a Pencil", and was just confused looking through it. No, I haven't even done any exercises from it, but I don't know how much those exercise will really help with what I'm going for. @_@: