/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

REPOST: 1st attempt at a full figure reference drawing

reference: http://artists.pixelovely.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/drawing-child/images/tools/figuredrawing/figure-7-1303878309.jpg

>>1610380
Now draw a few hundred more and get back to us

>>1610659
Good job.

>>1610380

The horizontal line I drew on both pictures originates from her armpit, you can easily see where certain parts of her body arnt quite where they're supposed to be. You can do simple checks like this by putting a ruler on your screen and check intersecting points.

Also your values arn't consistent with the reference. Check the ref in black in white, to check your values easily.

>>1610660
thank you bro

>>1610656
Her left eye looks odd, maybe flat. The line behind her nostril might be too dark as well.

>>1610665
Thease are also my main problems with this drawing exactly, what i sensed it happened as well is that the fixative spray I used sort of darkned some lines and simply washed out the whites...

>>1610659
Face shape is poor/cartoonish

Finish it

>>1610662
many thanks

>>1610684
Forms are flat. Perhaps work on primitives in perspective for a while

>>1610656
That's a good infographic towards the end of the last thread dealing with proper eye placement

>>1610027
Yes, I will try to do that, I just felt a bit happy to make something that's not a portrait

>>1610114
I used ArtRage, what you see is the default canvas texture + charcoal-like brush + eraser, I didn't use any fancy filter, I don't even know if that's possible with ArtRage.

Btw I improve it a bit.

>>1610759
I'm also working on this one.

>>1610759
I´m also working on this one

>>1610684
you have a pubic hair on your scanner

i stopped but yeah thats all I have on computer atm

How do I get better? I'm gonna keep practicing but I have no idea what to do next.

Pic Related: Where I'm at so far

How do I get better? I'm gonna keep practicing but I have no idea what to do next.

Pic Related: Where I'm at so far

>>1610975
good, keep filling up those sketchbooks.

but you are too aimless.
try to dedicate single pages to certain topics you are weak at. like value, expression, gesture, or specific asnatomical features you are weak at. you can also challenge yourself with angles you are weak at.

you are already doing that to an extent, but you should try to be more organized. think of the sketchbook like a notebook. don't be afraid to write down notes and explainations from time to time.

well, the main point is: keep a tidy sketchbook, be aware of what problems/topicyou are trying to work on at the moment so that you can eliminate them.

>>1610992
Yeah, I do those though I need to do more challenging angles.

I'm really messy in sketch with stuff overlapping each other, I don't think I'll try to be more organized for now, maybe in the near future but I'll start trying to make jotting down notes a habit since I'm currently trying to learn design language as well.

Thanks for the advice.

All my recent stuff is animation, and I don't have them in Gif form yet so here's something from like 4 years ago.

What does one draw in a sketchbook? Studies? Doodles? Finished Pieces?

>>1611207
I draw everything in my sketchbook except for "finished pieces". If I'm going to work on something that I intend to include in a portfolio I do prelims in the sketchbook but the final bit is on a properly size and weight sheet or canvas.

>>1611207
Yes. Now stfu and draw

>>1610659
Damn, man, that's going in the inspiration folder.

>>1610812
Keep drawing, kinda hard to see where your at from just your gestures, the 2nd from the right looks alright.

The way they're cut out looks like you just picked a couple of your best ones to show.

>>1611029
Why do you want critique on something from 4 years ago?

>>1611317
Well, I'm here. So why the fuck not?

Coming in from /co/

>WARNING: NUDITY, ANTHRO AND SEXY BEACH SHENANIGANS. CLICK LINK TO GET OFFENDED OR BE TURNED ON.

Here it is again. I worked on the anatomy of the male figure. For the right figure I am trying to develop the perfect Amazon without trying to make her too ridiculous (before you point out the balloon tits, I am perfectly aware of the muscles=/=big breasts paradigm. I'll make it an artistic liberty, or better yet: MUH STYLE.)

Tell me what you think, /ic/.

http://i.imgur.com/y3R63TV.jpg

>>1611826
would love some notice or critique on this, please.

>>1611826
Characters look flat and stiff, proportions are off. not a bad start, but needs some work.

Also yiff in hell furfag.

>>1611967
Alright, I'll try to make the poses more natural. It's just a doodle turned into a first draft of something, so I may try some value, or should I try something else? Thanks for the input.

>Also yiff in hell furfag.
No, u, ya cheeky fuk!

>>1611967
Ugh, you're right. The cat man's legs are off. God, I hate my style sometimes.

>>1611967
But anon, this is 4chan, we're already in hell.

>>1611978
>God, I hate my style sometimes.
>my
>style

>>1611978
>God, I hate my style sometimes
>my style
So, a shitty symbol-ridden drawing full of flaws that you CAN ACTUALLY OVERCOME is a style now?

>>1612040
>>1612047
Oh my goodness, you people. Just an expression.

Never change, /ic/, never change.

>>1612053
Yeah, yeah, bitches and whores. Whatever.
Can you work on improving your art now?

>>1611328
Fine, tell your past self in 2009 to study hard and do daily exercises for the next 4 years.

How did you get on?

>>1612205
sorry here's something analogue

Something I'm doing as a gift for a friend, please be gentle

>>1612138
Get on?
You mean drawing?

I blame 8-Bit Theater. For influencing the way I draw, and for inspiring it. (I started drawing because I wanted to see if I could draw the comic.)

>>1612262
How about you stfu and draw, nobody gives a shit

>>1612242

>Silver knight.jpg

It's a Black Knight that followed Gwyn you proletariat swine.

>>1612216
see
>>1608492

>>1612242
>silver knight
It's like you don't even praise the sun

>>1612406
Work on anatomy, there's a heap of errors.

>>1612540
I like the fullness of the butt and legs. But the back kind of loses its shape. The spine isn't a sharp cliff, it's more like two hills with a valley in between. Did I sound like Bob Ross now?

>>1612555
nope

bleh

trying to not let the stress and frustration get to me.

>>1612199

>>1612905
I like it, it seems interesting and i like where the linework is going

>>1612905
I thought that was a halo grunt until I read the file name.

>>1611315
Yea, all I got at this point are gestures. Haven't really gone into longer stuff yet. Here are more.

These are the best threads

>>1612555
This critique, while technically valid, is not correct for the pose in
>>1612540
The arching of the back in this pose is going to smooth out the "hill" that would be the ribcage and bring it in line with the lumbar creating a smooth curve to the sacrum.

please give me some criticism

>>1613758
this is so cute and well made. I have no comments :D

>>1613758
Why didn't you render her face? Do you really see pure white when you look at her? She isn't even white. Jesus fucking christ get your shit together.
Well, at least the likeness isn't that bad.

BTW, Sticky!

>>1612555
>>1613449
I think you're both right somehow, heres the ref, I clearly overdid the shading on the back, and neglected some lighter spots.

>>1610659
and for this one, also from brilliant director roystuart

>>1613929
forgot the pic

Jesus this thread is discouraging. I was going to post mine but after looking at some of them ones in this thread....fuck that.

>>1612905

>>1613940
As in the work here is better or worse then expected? Either way, why fret?

>>1613940
Come on... post your stuff

>>1613940
Come on buddy, we're all friends here. And rest assured you won't be the worst artist to have posted here.

>>1613953
That's great, keep us updated

>>1613758
I agree with >>1613910 in the sense that you need a halftone and use the white of the paper as a highlight. However if you were aiming for a line based style, I would say it looks cool.

After trying several figure drawing techniques, I think I will keep Sycra´s one the thunderbolt thing he does for the legs and arms really helps to define the form quite easily

>>1613940
Dude, post it, these thread are a huge help, at least it always helped realising what i was doing wrong or right

>>1614090
this one >>1613758 was supposed to be just a quick sketch, only with lines, as you assumed. thank you for your nice words!

>>1614387
Must be the compact, one seat model

>>1614390
y

>>1614387
watch the front of your A pillar it seems flat.

if you give your tires a little flatness where they touch the ground it make the car feel more grounded.

watch the rendering and perspective on the back trunk, rendering looks lumpy and the cut line looks divergent.

this is from photo ref right?

>>1614399
Thanks, and yeah it's a screenshot from gt6.

From the other day

Focusing on perspective.

>>1614501
this one is very nice. Charcoal? Did you use a reference?

>>1614533
it's 2h, ebony pencil, and white charcoal. The photo is of kiera knightley. A lot of the portraits I post are from reference because I'm still trying to find a good plan of attack. the attached is black and white charcoal.

Sketches from today

>>1614565
>the photo is of kiera knightley

That's when you know you can't draw portraits and need ot go to fundamentals before rendering

Question: when drawing do you need absolute peace to draw properly? or are you also able to draw while taking glances at a tv screen or taking breaks to post something on the net or talking to someone? once you are disturbed how long does it take to immerse yourself into drawing again?

>>1614589
The top of the male head should have an angle

>>1612335
>>1612291

Lol, I've only played 3 games is console gen and knew it was a black knight.

From life

>>1614590
the post you quoted isn't kiera, just so you know.. I don't see myself as above fundamentals; I go back every couple of months or so. Thanks for the pointer.

>>1614713
very nice. blog?

>>1614728
http://anonymous.gtfo.com

I always forget the eyebrows. Damn it.

>>1614734

>>1614728
http://zach-nien.tumblr.com/
Truth be told anonymous.gtfo.com sounds like a better domain

>>1612540
you must have some reading disability

what part of resizing the image to 1500x1500 and below did you not understand?

>>1613758
her right eye its... off...

i dont draw animals very often, because i always get the feeling that it the drawing isnt right

can anyone help me out and point out the problem? i tend to overdetail things and it always ruins the picture as a whole so im trying to slow down and shade more

>>1614787
I think the head is too small compared to the body. Work on your proportions maybe?

Still just starting out here. Any help with a specific direction in which to move in terms of work?

Also; Sorry, no scanner right now...

>>1614874
This is the one I spent the most time on, and is really what I'm more concerned about... The other two were just sort of vague experiments I did off to the side, and I already have a whole bunch of glaring flaws I can see.

>>1614877
>>1614874
Well, shit. I forgot the image.

>>1614846
nobody answer me

>>1614846
practice more and get more confident in your lines, so you would draw in one steady line, not in 10 unstable ones.

>>1614874
I can't draw face, so i don't draw it.
I can't draw hands, so i hide them.
I can't draw legs, so i cut them.
I can't draw body, so i cover it.

>>1614878
Draw bigger
Use a sharp pencil
Construct the anatomy first
Don't hide hands

Sketching cancer patients

>>1615016
If in your drawings you habitually disregard proportions you become accustomed to the sight of distortion and lose critical ability. A person living in squalor eventually gets used to it.

-robert henri

>>1615021
So I should work on my proportions?

>>1615039
you have harsh highlights that do not jibe with the general overall diffuse shadowless lighting

>Dickblick's shipping charges

Jesus fuck they're only pencils why does it cost 9 dollars to ship that shit at the lowest rate

from imagination, trying to learn major muscle groups. Tips and critiques would be much appreciated

Critique this. My first sketching with blending stumps and a variety of pencils.. hahhah

>>1614565
Post some of your refs then, it'd make it easier to critique.

>>1614593
That would completely come down to your personal preference. Are you the kind of person who can sleep during a car journey? Can maintain a conversation while cooking? Can read a book while a movie is playing in the background?

Personally, I quite like listening to music or a podcast while I draw, but if there's an actual person in the room it completely puts me off.

>>1614735
I see you're using construction lines, well done. Pay better attention to the proportions though. The eyes in particular are huge and too close-set.

Loomis, keep it up, etc.

>>1615039
>>1615350
Yeah, your portraits seem a bit oversaturated in general. Try keeping the paper as the midtone, you're currently shading almost the whole face as if the paper was white.

>>1615483
Nice. Good effort. However,

- try not to use harsh outlines around features like the eyes, lips and hair. You'll know where the lips stops and the cheek starts because there'll be a change in tone. You don't need a black outline.
- Easy with those blending stumps hombre. They're fun to use but sometimes less is more. With a light-skinned subject like that you'd expect to see the lightest parts of the face remain white.
- To get areas of dark grey or black, like the hat band, don't just pull out your darkest pencil and start scrubbing. Rather than using pressure try underlaying a layer of say 2H first, this will help "receive" the 4B/6B/whatever. When using the dark pencils, build up with multiple layers of tight, light hatching rather than one furious pass at maximum pressure.
- Try using a technique like this: http://youtu.be/YcYdizSG4l4 for the hair.

>>1615564
not op but thanks for the vid.

>>1614846
lrn 2 resize.

>>1615025
yes and your eyes.

>>1615435
mememememem

Dumping some pensketches

>>1615890
>>1615887
Really nice, I love the sketchy style.
The bottom one looks like light is kind of hovering through everything because of the sketched out lines.

>>1615892
Think you should've done a 3 point perspective on this.

vidya

>>1615980
>those thighs

>>1615988
Have you seen Dragon's crown, I thought I was being conservative.

>>1615994
Dragon's Crown exaggerates the other anatomy as well, so that it looks like a style. A really horrendous style, but consistent. Yours looks like you tried to draw a regular chick but gave her monstrous thighs by accident. Either way aspiring to Dragon's Crown-quality anatomy is a pretty low bar.

>>1615996
>assuming I aspire to it

it's just a sketch, I welcome critique but please don't project onto me.

>>1616008
thighs are massive, looks fucked.
>dealwithit.jpg

>>1616012
I guess memes are critique now.

>>1615435
bump

Here are two of my gesture drawings. Both took around five minutes each. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?

>>1615980
The thighs are more than fucked. They don't even look like they're really attached to her body. They sort of ooze off her body and morph into this super long, fat slab of meat that some mad scientist tried to attach to this poor sleeping girl's body with some myer's glue.

>>1616087
Use less chicken scratch.

try to get more action out of fewer lines and don't do the outlines instead since gesture lines are usually something people don't see

420 feel the motion

>>1616105
alright thanks for the feedback

>>1616087
You're drawing the contour, any gesture that's in those 2 is happening almost by accident.

Watch prokos gesture videos and vilppu videos and maybe read vilppus drawing manual.

I had a problem letting go of drawing the contours in the beginning, what helped me was to just draw really short gestures (30 seconds) since then you really don't have time for details or contour, which forces you to consider the figure as a whole more.
Just keep in mind that with a 30 sec gesture it's not about getting down as much as possible but "describing" the motion.

Took me months as well to get any real improvement or understanding, so despite frustration keep your nose to the grindstone.

>>1616024
he_mad.jpg

>>1616154
>>1616090

I'm not really getting anything of substance though, just an anatomy nitpick with edgy humor.

>>1616207
people like you should post in the anime thread
kthanksbai

been thinking about what you guys have said

>>1616233
v nice

>>1616237
Why post?

>>1616233
Left jawline protrudes too much
That ear
That head torque would result in some tension in the neck not portrayed
Lips oddly devoid of shading
Bucktooth
You want to downplay the Adams Apple aspect


I wouldn't play with color yet as value is more important and what you are struggling with now. If you grayscale the image you will see the issues.

>>1616246
I know values quite well, I would have used a layer of purple if I wanted to go all photo copy mode. Or just done it all in graphite and spend the extra hour. The reason I colored this is because I'm not comfortable with color yet

Everything else I'll take, although you're simply making observations. Little details like those I shouldn't be overlooking.

>>1616246
Not OP, but I;m curious about the values can be more specific?

>>1616273
basically everything from the highlights on her left (our right) should be way darker. The reflected light on her left lower jaw should be darker too. Her hair that is falling is totally in black. The shadow cast by her nose should be way darker. But I wasn't concerned with getting the values right, necessarily. He's correct in that the value relationships are too bright


However, I was focused on separating the image into roughly three values and emphasize myself to use the paper as the midtone. That's all the exercise was. The values could be whatever I wanted; in that sense I just wanted to make it interesting. Also I was focused on having convincing eyes and female likeness in general

>>1616278
>excuses

I thought you were better than that anon.

well here's a quick somewhat warm up sketch I did to try and get drawing again. I don't think this exactly counts as a "sketchbook" but I often use digital canvases to practice. Trying to work more proportions, have written out some notes on skull to rest of the body proportions.

I know for a fact that I've overlooked some things, but reason I'm bringing it here is so someone can help me by pointing those things out. I've been staring at it, zoomed out and flipped the canvas around. So far I notice that the head and neck might be a little large compared to everything else. I think I put too much focus on the head and caught myself on the fence between more realistic and more cartoony as far as proportions go. Cartoony necks are usually thinner. Perhaps I should trust my gestures more? Maybe I got too caught up on one part? What can I keep in mind for the next sketch?

I guess first thing I should draw bigger. this is only a small corner on a canvas I intend to fill with other gestures and sketches. Help and pointing things out would be much appreciated

>>1616285
heh

>>1616294
lol

>>1616307
well I guess I should have known better than to come here to actually ask for help on how to improve.

alright here's an actual drawing from my sketchbook that's actually larger 1500x1500

Lets try one more time then, critique on this?

>>1616314
if your not going to take it seriously why should anyone else?

>>1616314
is that jesus christ. God his eyes are big.

>>1616318
Look, not everyone is god tier here and that was a serious attempt that I worked on for some time. I'm sorry that it's not up to your standards, but I did actually try and put effort into that. If I wasn't serious, I wouldn't have bothered coming here in the first place asking for a critique. If I wasn't seriously trying to get better I wouldn't have bothered taking a life drawing class so I could learn to get better.

>>1616319
Ok, so eyes too big compared to the rest of the face, thank you, I'll keep that in mind.

Value is more important than color anon.

>>1616335
which anon?

>>1616321
You need to type less and draw more.
If your looking for shortcuts that don't work, goto the anime thread, otherwise stfu and draw

>>1616337
He knows.

>>1616335
I know.. I was just having fun..

gosh.

>>1616338
This is my first time actually coming for a critique. I just don't want to get into the habit of doing something which will cause bad habits to form that's why I came here. To see if anyone can spot those bad habits and make me aware of them before they start.

>>1616343
Learn proper proportions for the head.

Did you draw that picture from your mind, or did you use a reference?

>>1616353
I looked in a mirror actually. I pulled up pic related from my computer to glance at, as another reference. I guess I should have glanced back at this reference a little more

Critique please, any tips for colored pencils?

>>1616353
But thank you, Head proportions. got to keep that in mind.

>>1616364
draw another from a photo reference.

>>1616363
Layer softly. Avoid visible strokes.

>>1613953

>>1616390
all right then, anything else?

>>1616211
>kthanksbai

Ok

>>1616233
dude how much do you draw a day man.

>>1616467
a lot, it's all I really think about. Hard not to when you have Fechin and Sargent sketches running around your head.

a silly illustration that I made for someone. he loves 'farming midgets'. whatever the hell that means.

merry xmas ic

>>1616482
Merry Xmas bottle guy.

>>1616123
Thank you. Looking up proko now.

Happy whatever the fuck to bottle/dino/portrait guy and the rest of you dolts, now get back to fucking work goddamnit

>>1616692
We love you too (we do)

I love you guys

How do I into landscapes?
More specifically, clouds and sky.

>>1617063
Look outside your window, try to mimic the real sky and clouds. The clouds are three dimensional objects, and the contours in your drawing make them look very flat. So that should be a good place to start - ditch the contours and try to make them look like you see them irl.

>>1617063
draw some small images, 3x2' or bigger, from reference first.

>>1617208

how can i improve my gestures? my paintings always come out felling stiff and boring.

>>1616363
The strikes don't bother me. But the edges look like somebody else drew them

stuff
pls crit but dont bully

>>1617323
More contrast, vary your line weight, stop betting a bitch

>>1617327
thx

Why I can't draw people? What I'm doing wrong?

>>1614299
please be a troll post

>>1614874
>>1614878

you need to study some basics really badly. loomis etc.

looks very stiff and lazy.

>>1615039
face looks...lumpy? smooth out her facial shadows and it would look wonderful.

>>1615435
i'm not sure what to give in terms of crit, but this looks like some kind of crazy hipster album cover or something and i love it

>>1615483
>blending stumps

don't use these. blending stumps are fucking awful and fuck with the texture of the paper. for blending use tissues (the kind without lotions on them obviously), cotton balls, or if you have a lady around, tampons.

don't blend so much that everything looks blurry. she looks like a marshmallow right now. but you also don't want such sharp outlines around the facial features. you want something in-between what you have going on now.

other than that, not bad. keep practicing your shading.

>>1616314
>>1616321
>OMG NOBODY IS PERFECT I TRIED HARD ISN'T THAT ENOUGH WHY ARE YOU BEING POOPHEADS

okay. your work shows a very obvious lack of training and is, for lack of a better word, child-like. there's not much criticism that can be given for something that's just so overall poor. everything needs to be fixed. i really recommend starting with some basic tutorials so you can learn how to begin drawing altogether before you start seeking artists' criticism for improvement. if you're just looking for some kind of easy shortcut or something so you can instantly be better, then art probably isn't for you.

and drop the whiny attitude, this isn't deviantart. go read the sticky and start practicing.

>>1617338
misjudging the planes/angles of the face. you seem to be grasping proportions well enough but you need to watch those angles. look at each facial feature and compare the negative space around it to that in your drawing.

>>1617338
You're an idiot for using that for ref for starters

>>1617338
did you do any of these measurements while drawing?

Read the sticky.

>>1617224
Really cool. I'm a fan of rocks and rock accessories.

>>1617342
I'm more worried about the structure.. she looks like she could be a delegate from Saturn or something.

>>1617355
Thanks, I'll watch out for it.

>>1617365
No, I didn't, sorry. You are right. Thank you very much.

Just experimenting with this abstract/cubist style. Is it any good?

First time doing a value study with a statue.
Shit's harder than I thought and takes longer than I thought.

>>1617396
Your guy is wider than the original statue, but the values read nicely from the thumbnail.

>>1617374
Gosh they're minerals.

>>1617320
lol why?

>>1617431
de-emphasize some lines, perhaps completely get rid of some and use the pencil to mark value by not adding lines

much of the problems in this piece are from lines that emphasize the wrong body parts or are just plain harsh on the lady

>>1616356
Go read the sticky five thousand times, download Loomis, read and follow Fun With a Pencil.

>>1616460
That's an xbox hueg ass.

I mean, its cool if you're into that sort of thing, but wouldn't that be anatomically inconvenient? Or is she American?

sewp dewds

I got a new monoprice tablet the other day, so I decided to break it in by drawing this. I think it came out ok, and am thinking of putting it in the graphic-comic-book-ey stuff in my submission portfolio.

Watcha guys think?

>>1617465
Sketchbook is traditional, not digital.

>>1617467

Sorry breh. I'll post it elsewhere

...could you at least tell me watcha think of it?

>>1617476
You should look up the wing anatomy of a bat, because your wings are weird.
Other than that, just look at some good dragon art/real life reptiles and add elements from them into your dragons.

>>1617482
Yeah I'm thinking of making the wings better

and I didn't really want to make it look like your average cliched dragon, I just made it look more cartoony and gave it all that 90's 'tude

>ok I'll draw her for you, just pick a photo with interesting light

welp

>>1617489
Ear too small/high
Nose shifts and oddly flat at lower septum
Neck too thin

so after years of just doodling around I decided to surprise y friend of mine by drawing my favorite photo of her.
after I've started drawing her I discovered /ic/ and, even thogh my work is lightyears away from yours, some real but not discouraging criticsm would be great to prevent me from going in the completly wrong direction.
it doesn't look right, something feels very off, but I can't figure out why.
please excuse the shitty scanner.

tl;dr my first serious attempt at drawing in years, criticsm pls

>>1617430
Learn what a hand really looks like, use a reference, hello look at your own hand and ask your self, "Are my fingers really that skinny"

I don't know why you have 6 nails on there either.

>>1617496

>>1617496
pretty hot for a trap.

>>1617431
The teeth look like planks, you have some curve to the lips but the teeth are pretty flat, your values maybe could have been pushed more.

Can you see her eye or not?

>>1617501
th-thanks anon

>>1617496
a lot of things aren't quite where they're supposed to be.

Here I just move some parts of her face to where they're at in the picture.

look at the distance between objects on your drawing, from her left eye to her hair is about double what it should be, and the distance from the same eye to the nose is also longer then it should be.

I move her eyebrow up and her eye closer in, made her whole face shorter and brought the hair in on the right side.

To be honest brah you really need to start over.

>>1617513
wow, this helps so much! thanks a lot anon!

apart from the positions: are the values not too far off at least?

>>1617496
>first serious attempt at drawing

and you went for a portrait? :| Realistic portraits are really, really hard even with experience. I'd go for a cartoon/caricature or something until you get more experience because that drawing looks insulting more than anything lol.

>>1617496
if you want her to remain a friend, do not give it to her.
if you want to bang her, you shouldnt be drawing shit for her you should be ignoring her/drawing other broads.

>>1617515
idk man, I just wanted to restrict myself from fucking around again. I absolutely LOVE painting/drawing whatever I feel like and expressing myself in ways which just FEEL right, but I want to stop that.
That's what I meant with "serious". Trying my best at drawing a portrait is a task where I can directly see how good or bad it was. I can't just say "that's what I felt like" because reality doesn't work like that.
sorry for my choice of words .. I guess?

>>1617516
lol thanks for the most honest advice I could've wished for

>>1617489
also her right shoulder you define the planes improperly with sets of concave shading.

>>1617514
An easy value check would be changing the pic to black and white. Since that is essentially what you are drawing.

Beside the darks not be being dark enough, and having no mid tones for the face, her lips are way to dark.

>>1617521
fuck, I'm stupid. could've guessed changing the pic to black and white would be enough

thanks for all your help!

>>1617524
value is relative, you need to add a background and the shirt etc if you hope to get them right.

if you insist on doing this and giving it to her, I would try to get away with an ink piece with as few lines as possible, with swathes of tone for the hair/shirt/bk etc.

>>1617524
value is relative, you need to add the hair properly, background and the shirt etc if you want to get them right. (a and b are the same value in pic related)

if you insist on doing this and giving it to her, I would try to get away with an ink piece with as few lines as possible, with swathes of tone for the hair/shirt/bk etc.

>>1617520
I don't know what it is, but sometimes when I go from drawing to rendering, I totally lose all the planes and end up feeling my way through the rest of it. I don't know if it's a confidence issue or what. This jolie drawing is like a prime example. I had everything mapped out, then I started values and it's like everything went 'poof'. It looked great as just lines. In the red watercolor drawing I was much more at ease for whatever reason.

>>1617562
that happens to me while painting, i set it up/draw the base then everything goes out the window while I get tied up figuring out the physicality of the media/color value texture etc.

just try to focus on the plane you are defining. every stroke should be made for a reason. either it is helping define form/drive viewers eye, set tone or a combination of the above.

if this shit was easy everybody would be doing it.

>>1617564
it's like im trying to reign in 20 rabid horses hellbent on galloping in every direction.

>>1617565
sounds familiar.

>>1617564
that kind of makes me think.. using the brush in the watercolor sketch was forcing me to think more about my strokes, whereas with the jolie drawing I was being a bit more absent minded and thinking too much about just value.

>>1617572
probably a combination of the unforgiving nature of the medium as well as your unfamiliarity of it... unlike your 'hatching zone'

>>1615039
i dig your style man

Critique?

Chicken Scratch Lines 2: The Scratchening

>>1617450
Inconvenient? Think of all the places you could sit.

>>1617676

Chicken Scratch Lines 3: Scratchening Hard - The Filling In Of The Values

>>1617676
>>1617702
proportions on the fingers are off.

>>1617662
I like how you rendered the forms, but the anatomy around the cheekbones, where they connect with the snout, i think is off.

any advice?

>>1617676
>>1617702
>>1617734
>>1617736

Is everyone doing this pic from that other thread or what?

>>1617736
>>1617734
proportions on the everythings are off.

>>1617742
what i want to do?

Thanks for the crits so far anons!

>>1617746
http://www.proko.com/drawing-measuring-techniques/

>>1617788
thanks proko-p dawg

>>1617747

Is that Chloe? Would berry.

Also, I'm a newfag that posted in those threads a few times. I just made this, and I feel pretty pleased about it. I need deflating, so please tell me where I've fucked up. I've already shortened the torso by about a half earlier. And the feet and hands are shit, obviously.

>>1617747
Leave the space between each teeth implied (don't use hard lines) , you have to put tsome shadows on the side ones to define the shape of the denture.

Her head looks a bit weird too.

>>1616692
it feels weird that people still remember my bottle days.

>>1617637
>style
thanks.

>>1617904
>people
its me, yer ole pal ms

>>1617904
do some life drawing anon

vn?

>>1617907
oh, you look different without having your email in every post

>>1617908
I feel like I should, but drawing people from life is difficult. My family dgaf about modeling for me, and operation "get new friends" is going shittily.

>>1617512
draw values, not lines

check your proportions and head positioning

>>1617933
my email has the s-word in it so it isn't visible when inputted.

>>1617933
Im in the same boat. I am looking into hiring models to sit for me but I currently paint slowly

rate mine /ic/

I think I did well

>>1610765
I think this one's much more appealing. However, composition maybe could use some work. Also those rocks on the right look a bit wonky though. Nice lighting effects tho.

>>1610992
This is actually great advice in general. Thanks anon.

>>1612242
Nice general transitions from light to dark, and cool shading in general. However your actual focus on light and shadow is a bit.... not noticeable. See the highlight on the head? Where is that light everywhere else? Also, your symmetry is a bit awkwardly off. You could try balancing that by moving things around. Also is it just me or does that armor seem a bit impossible, and maybe even floaty at certain points

Still tho, you have a generally clean style that's pretty cool. The armor is a nice concept to say the least. Though actually the helmet seems way more spiky than anything else.

>>1618279
9/10, you could work on the upper-lip shading a little more

>>1612905
really nice linework stuffs

>>1618288
Dammit, I knew it, its always the shading I get wrong..

It always ends up looking awkward and unrealistic.

Thanks for the tip anon!

>>1617811
The lack of replies actually had the effect desired, and deflated my ego so much, its in motherfucking negative numbers.

>>1617811
two things

1. the manner in which the arms are drawn look like they are bolted on (two separate pieces) I doubt this is what you were going for

2. the weapon weighs at least 7 pounds, and the way your guy is standing is a weak stance, whatever he hits, or doesn't hit from that swing is going to throw him off so much.

hope that helps

>>1618322
put it away and draw something else
repeat

now stfu and draw

>>1617811
Proportions and gesture nigger. Better learn it.
Also, the upper body seems to have some motion going on, but the legs are straight and stiff. Imagine yourself handling and swinging a large and heavy axe; would your legs be like that?

Some thought are needed before you put the pencil on the paper, or at least while you're sketching midway. Always relate to real life and logic, and if else fails, there's always reference online which is handy.

You also need to discipline your lines and tones more. Hatch cleanly, and control the hatches to get the values that you want.

One way to practice this is to take a scrap paper and just do line hatches all over the paper, with consistent space in between the lines. Use your arm and shoulders. Vary the line length and the space inbetween the lines. Do it daily and you will see an increase in quality of your hatching.

Lastly, look for good pencil artists to draw inspiration from. I'll drop a few; Joao Ruas, Wes Burt, Paul Calle. If you wanna be Min Yum, you should master these first.

>>1618339
>>1618354
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you guys.

Btw, it started as a gesture from this pic on quickposes.com. I did wonder about that pose, seemed a bit off, but I couldn't put a finger to it.

>>1618341
On it.

some faces from magazines

First time using tonned paper, advice?

>>1617465
really weirdly disproportioned, lines are sloppy. Back right leg (in the background) is messed up, horns bulg out and get skinny randomly, no real sense of form there. The structure of the wings is hard to understand because of that weird triangle thing that has one point at where the body meets the wing and where that wing horn sits on the wing. The tail is creepily skinny.

But still, cool head. It's just your anatomy's all wonky. Maybe go back to gestures for a bit, then study types of anatomy/forms of this shit you're drawing.

>>1618294
Thanks
>>1617224

>>1617517
You're fine. This attempt at a portrait and the other anon's redline/critique, I believe, seems to have benefitted you. So keep it up man, do more studies.

>>1618555
watch your eye placement / be more aware of your line variance and your ears are all over the place

delete and repost in the new thread if you so desire

>>1618613

>>1617253
Exciting poses are all about alternating scaling and rotation in the axis. Shoulders looking into another direction as the hips.
Try to play around with perspective so some party apear to get more focus. A shot from below and such.

Hey guys, what's the best kind of sketchbook to get?