/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Thank you.

Too lazy to make a new thread starter, really?

Fuck.

>>1554095
it's a metaphor for the going-no-where cycle these threads provide

>>1554095
Some people don't draw for a living you know.

reposting

>>1554104
Just like the other drawthread!

>>1554121
I've seen people improve to a significant degree in the drawthread. And the art quality overall is better over there.

In this thread, with the exception of the Mikufag, no seems to actually want to improve and just want to post their anime scribbles and get vague advice that they won't use.

>>1554125
Been gone for a bit, how's Mikufag's progress? I'm pretty curious mate.

>>1554125

>i pick only the finest cherries

here is my little black monkey man given the nickname Mr.Smiles.

i mostly do sketch art because i don't have computer programs to do expecially well coloured animu.

and yes, i am new to this board of 4chan, since i spend the majority of 4chan on /pol/. any critics?

how have many of you improved your artwork?

i improved over 2 years a 'significant' amount with some simple 'how to draw books' and from a fellow cartoonist i used to go to college with

>>1554155
Please do show us your progress.

>>1554125

Mikufug still sucks though

>>1554157
a jokeing sketch i did to display my improvement in one pic

>>1554155

I'd say I improved, but I have huge fits of anxiety and can't really show my old art.

>>1554167
did your OC just turned from he into she? very n0ice.... d=(´▽｀)=b

>>1554167
Kirbopher that you? :^)

>>1554176
>>1554177
no and no. my OC is intentionally very feminine for other insults that 'will' gives him. the OC's name is going to remain anonymous for TM reasons , but if i had to give him a voice, he would sing like Green Day

>>1554167
lol, you didn't improve. and that's not evident of two years of serious drawing

git serious

>>1554180
>OC DONUT STEEL!
>MUH STYLE!
I don't give a damn, nor does anyone else here. Post something that isn't "a jokeing sketch" so it's worth critiquing.

Chickenlegs circlejerk No. 1323153236346747
This is gonna be epic, epic for the win

>>1554191
>jokeing
I before e except after c.

>>1554186
hence why my first post uses quotation marks. to me it looked like a serious improvement since i actually beleived that shit at the top looked good back then.

plus i also know that i could be better. even if i was fucking salvador dali i could be better--because that is what becoming a better artist is about.
"art is never finished. only abandoned"
>>1554191
fine. here is a serious full body drawing with ink of the character. and for the sake of trying to not get madabout your ''donut steel' comment ill even give a reference sheet if it is requested.

>>1554195
there are many exceptions to this rule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdbSGQosy8

>>1554195
See >>1554167 being the post I quoted it from.
>a jokeing sketch i did to display my improvement in one pic
>a jokeing sketch
>jokeing
>mfw
>To lazy to upload one
>mfw to lazy to have one

>>1554204
>too lazy to even find 2 post quotes away from>>1554167


my OP was>>1554155
wich led to >>1554157
and finnally to >>1554167
. but as you stated you're >too lazy

>>1554208
>The 2 posts prior excuses me from being retarded
>U-ur just lazy, big meany

I like to think of it as using my energy wisely. Get to practicing, mate.

On a relevant note, here's a wip that kinda leans towards mangu. Bretty inspired by the Hotel Dusk/ Last Window rotoscoping style and artwork.

>>1554201

gay

bad

git gud

Trying to get better with coloring. I need to go practice some hair though because I freeze up when it comes time to color it

>>1554255
I haven't got any decent advice/critique for on this but I do have a question- that hair is looking pretty uneven there. Is this intentional?

>>1554238
Didn't know I had to send an invitation for critique/ coments so.... yeah, anything is welcomed.... nitpicking or even a troll, I could go for a nice chuckle.

>>1554125
I've posted my artwork maybe twice. Once I got really good advice/suggestions and it really got me rethinking my approach while the other I didn't get any replies. I'm trying to improve but tbh I don't want to post a lot of art here(I post it at other places) and I mainly try to improve else where or on my own. Most of the time I come here to look at other's works and progress.

I'm aware that I need to practice a lot, so please give me any useful tip. Done in watercolor

Guess what, /amg/? I'm going to create a really good manga and get it serialised! In the meantime, I'll track down Oku Manami (formerly of AKB48) and, once I'm serialised, I'll marry her!

>>1554255
I like your style, son. Do you have a tumblr or suchlike?

>>1554255

binary tool only works for western shit

>>1554278

Not too bad actually, where's a cool post with links to some traditional techniques in the context of a fashion artist.

http://lackadaisycats.tumblr.com/post/60565213439/coffeeandcockatiels-i-learned-all-this-in

>>1554278
I really like it so far. My only advice would be to try using a pen or nib with a smaller tip when outlining the face and nose. Maybe the hair also, but that's probably something that would take more practice to figure out.

>>1554308

*here's, I'm retarded.

>>1554313
You must be the same Anon who called a cube a 3d rectangle :3

>>1554315

That's a rectangular prism though

>>1554267
Nope! I'll go back and correct that now. I plan to stick this head on a body eventually too but I'm busy with some freelance work

>>1554284
Yeah, I'm at www.thejaystack.com

>>1554304
Binary tool?

>>1554278
I like your rendering, but your facial features are off, and not just because its an anime drawing, something screwy with the perspective.

Hey guys, I'm trying out different styles for a comic I'm creating. Thoughts on this one?

>>1554278
My autism tells me arm looks a bit flat and it wants some creases around the wrist.

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU ONII CHAN

>>1554674
You called, Anon-Kun?

Crits please?

>>1554690

The legs look slightly off in perspective, and the image itself feels flat. It's hard to make out the direction of the lighting, too. It looks like there's a downward cast shadow on her face from her bangs, yet her right side of her shirt and shorts are shaded like lighting is coming from her left. The legs are more or less without any shadow too, making them feel flat and separated from the rest of the image.

All of that combined with poor value control makes the image read very poorly. Work on value control, and shadow consistency. Some better lines would help too.

>>1554086
Hoho, time for another horrible anatomy general

>It is strongly recommended that you use this thread in conjunction with learning the elements and fundamentals of art.
Well.

>>1554694
That's always been the philosophy, don't come in here just to talk shit.

>>1554695
I know. More people should heed the OP.

>>1554693
Thank you! If you could expand on what you mean about the legs, that would be great. They were giving me some trouble.

>>1554711

I think the legs look OK

Work on your craft and draftsmanship, also learn how to prepare graphite drawings to scan

http://danidraws.com/2006/11/29/get-the-most-out-of-your-line-drawing/

This should go in the OP IMO and if anyone else has any good tutorials like this for scanning that would be neato burrito too

>>1554713
Oo that looks nice! I need to get my scanner working.

Did try a bit of a redraw if anybody's interested.

>>1554740
Shading on the face is still a bit weird. Even if it's stylized, try to imagine it in 3D.

>>1554740
>>1554742
Also your neck/head/jaw placement is somewhat wrong.

>>1554740
I think the head should be a bit more tilted to left.

I'm sort of a beginner, and I've been mostly trying to emulate Himukai Yuji's style.

Not particularly good at coloring. Any tips?

Comments/suggestions appreciated.

>>1554779
>Himukai Yuji
My nigga.

Your highlights and shading on the hair look a bit sloppy. You should clean em up some more.

Other than that, good work. Not bad at all.

>>1554805
You're right... again, I'm pretty bad at coloring. I think I need to make them a little sharper and more defined.

>>1554848

Don't block shade with black

>>1554779

Nice, I don't mind the colors, they work fine for the most part. Don't be afraid of putting things in complete shadow like the artist you're emulating does. For example, the shadows on her shoulders and sleeve can go more solid instead of breaking them up in an attempt to differentiate the shirt from the sweater. If you do want to break it up, it'll look better not to have both ends open for color, ie where the sweater meets the collar and the other end where it meets the sleeve. (IMO, it probably you could fill in both ends).

i have sloppy habits. what can i do to get rid of them?

>>1554890
Slow down, be more deliberate with your linework, think about what you're actually drawing. Granted, your pic may lose some energy or spark, but hopefully with a better understand of the forms and experience, you'll get it back. "Sloppy" doesn't necessarily have to mean "Haphazard."

I tried to move away from anime into a more western style.

>>1554913
Past attempt at anime.

hey anyone have the complete archive of teal's redlines?

I NEED that shit.

>>1554923
This is close to all of them.
http://imgur.com/a/IkoEZ#0

>>1554926
>http://imgur.com/a/IkoEZ#0

Out of everything to be jelly as fuck over with him/her for me it was the handwriting.

A shame what a sustained smear campaign can do.

i don't usually draw anime. i don't even like it honestly, but what the hell.

>>1554913
It still looks anime-ish (or manga-ish) to me. Perhaps the eyes. "More naturalistic style" is probably closer to what you're doing (at least with the noses.)

>>1554149
Looks kinda good, I don't know if it's the cammera you used, but it seems you need more confidence on your line placement.

>>1554937
>him/her
It's a dude, his name is Simon. Or at least that's what his tumblr says

>>1554973
We've had this discussion before, bottom line is this individual should of been and is still somewhat Anonymous.

>>1554977

Agreed. He didn't ask for this retarded cult of personality to spring up around him

time to learn about horses

>>1554983
It's almost the same with me, I have a group of people that expect me to improve and sometimes think highly of me but what it does is fill me with anxiety since I begin to think I'll let them down or won't end up meeting their expectations.

It almost didn't make drawing enjoyable anymore but I'm getting over it; though looking back from where I started I can see I've learned quite a bit but I still have a lot to learn.

>>1555003
You could have avoided it by drawing something else than miku every time man. But even mikufag is anonymous so no need to feel stress

>>1555002
Someone commissioned you to do a MLP as an anime centaur?

>>1555003
face needs to be more pretty

>>1555003

I've been telling you all along to ignore these dipshits trying to fill your head with hot air and work to improve for yourself

>>1555022

>>1555015
no, I just wanna draw kawaii centaurs

>>1555002
Nice. You've obviously done your homework.

>>1555003
>I have a group of people that expect me to improve and sometimes think highly of me

Work on that anatomy then, they'll think even more highly of you.

An attempt at Mel Kishida's style of head particularly. And also an attempt at a different style of hair... Still learning sadly...

>>1555050
...I don't see anything remotely like Kishida Mel's style in that head at all. Seems like you should study him some more, if that was your intention.

>>1554926
anything with a higher res. i cant read the text

>>1555033

Do it more it's way better than your other stuff

make sure you study horse pussy properly it's way different that human there are certain shapes to it you need to master

>>1555091
No bias in this one at all, no sir.

>>1555050

Disgusting. You can't attempt to "copy" mel--he knows his shit.

>tfw Mikufag will come to a point where he'll be awesome at drawing while I'll still be at square one because he can actually devote time in drawing animu

>>1554937
What do you mean by smear campaign>

>>1555101
I have to wonder, what is with this being said so often? Mikufag hasn't improved all that much, to be honest. The artist who's improved the most in here lately is definitely kyle futa chicken whateverthefuck guy.

He hasn't improved much since a while now.
Probably because he pressures himself too much.

> or won't end up meeting their expectations.
I don't wnat to sound like your mother, but if you want to do it, it has to be something you do for yourself.
Otherwise maybe just stop doing it.

>>1555102

There was a very focused and vicious troll campaign leveled against him, every time he would sumbit a redline half of the thread would erupt into shitposting and as such he roll-bounced out of these threads, or at least drastically reduced the frequency of his redlines (for which I don't blame him in the slightest)

>>1554926
>>1555137
>troll campaign against what looks like one of the few people with actual skill and practice itt
>not to mention it seems he was genuinely trying to help and contribute to these threads

Am I missing something here? Was he a dick or so?

>>1555137
get over yourself simon

>>1555163

No he never said much of anything, often times only the text in the image.

But people shitposted about him anyways, tried to find his websites, shit like that. That's 4chan for you, no one will post their work if they are practiced because it leads to this. That's why the only posts on /ic/ are shitposts.

how about shutting up and make some art

>>1554937

It's drafting/gothic lettering, used in industrial design, architecture, etc. Everyone should learn it.

speaking about that guy, i saw some of his porn on exhentai, i was pretty surprised..
it was lolicon too.

>>1555190
common knowledge hes a pedo

>>1555165
>>1555191


anti-teal dickhead is here

>>1555191
no, he just has good tastes

>>1555193
ask your hero, see what he says

>>1555200

I couldn't give less of a shit about his tastes or personal work ( I actually don't like underage characters )

It's about him helping people in these threads.

>>1555191
There is nothing wrong with being a pedo.

Teal has not been here for a while now and yet we're still arguing over his personal matters; could we just drop it please?

>>1554120

Fix the flounder face on the one with green hair. That ruins the whole fucking piece. Good colors.

>>1555210
Teal is omnipotent, he's everywhere.

>>1555210
>>1555164

That's pretty sad that /ic/ posters are pretty much on par with furry art drama threads on other forums. Like for example for whatever reason many of the actually talented artists who do that stuff are stalked like crazy in a similar fashion.

Wow you guys are gay. Stay on topic.

>>1555300

What makes you think this place would be impervious to the kind of people that like to create drama?

It has nothing to do with /ic/, well the anonymity does have something to do with it as far as accountability goes, but that's still often meaningless, people just suck.
People often just flat out lie, for a myriad of reasons. But if you let it get to you and influence your actions, you're kind of letting them win, in my opinion.

This place has its good sides just as much as its bad ones. It's just good people and bad people, invariably posting, nobody really knowing who is who.

I'm okay with the stupid rants, like this one I'm posting right now, the annoying trolls the stupid questions, I'm okay with the horrible advice and pointless discussion.
I half-assed-ly participate in them from time to time, but I mostly don't, because it doesn't make this board any better, it is not that enjoyable and pretty pointless.

It's like coming across a few people on the street, loudly arguing with each other, making a scene, you could try and participate and calm them down, you could avoid the street from now on (even though it has little to do with the street, depending on the area).
Or you just could keep on truckin'.

Because it's not sad that there's stupid and annoying people who take part in the community, it is sad that few people really know how to deal with it.

>>1555032
Hehe is this you? Well thanks for that...maybe it's just the way I drew the head but the right eye makes the face look fishy - like an actual fish.

>>1554278
Shading on the lower part of the face looks like stubble.

>>1554779
Too fucking cute hnnnngh!

>>1554940
alright, i guess it's growing on me.

>>1555448
One of us...One of us...

>>1555460
did i really do that bad?

>>1555488
for some reason i really like that. it just fits so well.

>>1555502
Don't take the bait, asshole

>>1555505
what bait? i'm just stating that the style fits the stylized potrayal of a mongolian/nomadic chinese male. i can picture the guy in a kids book.

>>1555506
GTFO Phil

best of both worlds

>>1555518
Hips are wrong, leg is positioned incorrectly, one arm is bigger than the other, hand looks like a rock, clothing looks hastily done, sketch lines look as if they were done more out of habit, then if they were done with any thinking behind them.

asuka
didnt use ref for face

date
no refs watsoever

thinkpad x convertible tablet rocks

dassault rafale mecha musume

hornet mecha musume

hornet 2

>>1555558
>>1555560
>>1555562
>>1555563
>>1555565
Read the sticky

>>1555351
I-it's that you mikufag?

>>1555574
>Chunbum getting noobie treatment
Shows how shit you are in art

>>1555589
failing for the most obvious trolly bullshit in the world

shows how shit you are in general

>>1555577
Haha no I didn't draw that it was probably the same person who drew the picture I replied to

>>1555563
Out of all your drawings, this is the only one that's not completely awful.

Rough layout for a Baroness sketch. I'll probably do a lite, tighter version, print a blueline, and then go to town. I've found if I flesh it out too much in the computer, finishing it off traditionally is a chore. :/

>>1555526
not him, but how are the hips wrong? Serious question, I really can't see how it's wrong, so it'd be cool if you can explain it so I don't make the same mistake

>>1555726
I like your linework, it's really loose and gestural but you still manage to get a lot of detail into your drawings. Do you have anything thats more polished? i 'd like to see how you finish your pieces

>>1554120

etna's right tit looks bigger

>>1555526
What? Are we looking at the same image here?

>>1555518
left is best

>>1555726
Darn... specifically in reference to the drawing in the upper left, how do you get the shape of the head done like that? Did you use a circle and then add the jaw or does the shape of the head just come to you?

>>1555711
I know you've been asked this 99 times, but what do you use to draw?

>>1555827
looks like a standard brush from photoshop in a light blue color.

>>1555743
looks like ball and joint socket hips you'd find on a toy figures

>>1555743
>>1555872
do you even Elins

>>1555874
That "you" was meant at >>1555872 by the way

I still don't see what's wrong with it. Looks like just your standard Elin thighs.

>>1555696
>1.png
>>1555726
>3.png

but what happened to 2?!?!

>>1555518

>success breeds jealousy

>>1554086
http://www.squidoo.com/w-ic-i
has been "unpublished"

>>1555878
the width ain't the issue, Kyle, it's the ajointment. If you can't see it, then fine, stay that way.

>>1555831
>>1555827

He uses Manga Studio.

We were on our way home from cedar point and my 4 yr old daughter wanted me to draw her. She was eating chips so requested I draw her with a chip. Then she requested I add a cat.

after I drew it she said I should have put the cat on the other side and have her petting it. I was like, you shoulda told me that in the gesture stage.

I know the right leg is jacked. I need to look at a ref of someone sitting like this, unless someone wants to giveme a redline

>>1555979
>I need to look at a ref of someone sitting like this
What if... you looked at your daughter?

>>1555984
lol I was next to her in the back seat, and she was in a booster seat, so i don't think she even could sit like that

>>1555989
Oh.

>>1555003
Miku, you've got some underlying perspective problems with that face. I keep asking you to practice learning the structure of a real head before you stylize, but it doesn't look like you have.

Here's your next assignment: Grab some sculpey, and sculpt a Miku-head. Make it as large as you need to. Take your time, and make it as perfect and symmetrical as you can. Make sure it looks right from all vantage points. DON'T include the hair (though you can mark the hairline and the center part of the hair).

Once you've done that, light it up with a lamp and use that as your reference. Get accustomed to drawing it in perspective.

glhf

>>1555969
Mhkay, though I don't seem to be the only one that can't.

Do you have a good technique or tutorial for painting? I always suck when I try to paint in photoshop.
Here it's an example.

Miss Lucy from Elfen Lied
dont mess with her

>>1556049
Saved only because it's from the one and only Chunbum Park.

I sort of see what you were saying about the hips and legs. I tried to change them a bit to make them seem more connected. I think the over exaggerated right thigh saddlebag as was. part of the problem.

>>1555726

not really animu but fuck that weeb shit

you're good

>>1556075
how you learn to draw?

>>1556103
how you learn to write?

>>1556075

kyle teach me how to into fat hips

>>1556109
for some reason it really creeps me out when people use first names on 4chan

nice work kyle i love those fat thighs kyle if you want kyle you can come over and we'll draw thighs together kyle, and look at my loli collection kule.

>>1556114
I don't really like being known by my first name either but it sort of happpened by accident in an /a/ draw thread when I forgot to crop an image

>>1555999
No surprise there

>>1556114
I wish I had a friend named Kyle to look at my loli collection.

>>1556075
And now the knees are bulky and the bent leg looks flat. Do you just make marks from habit of motion?

Line composition is vacant, form turning is inefficient and awkward, shading is premature, shoes too small, superficial details arbitrarily added.

It looks it like you draw with a bunch of tricks but have no cohesive knowledge, or theory, that binds them.

>>1556142
somebody's jelly! (you)

>>1556145
I'd actually agree with him. I've been looking at Kyle since he started in /a/ drawthreads, and while his progress as a whole is phenomenal(seriously, you should see his old work from even 9 months ago), I feel like his rendering trick is mostly just that--a trick. I don't know if he's referencing too much, or not quite understand the forms he's creating, or what...but something is usually off with his work for me.

>>1556151
>>1556142

Samefag, please go

>>1556142
what do you mean by line composition. could you actually articulate what you are saying a not just throw around buzz words.

>>1556075

It looks like the pubis is really under the right thigh and so it creates a weird clipped look.

>>1556210
the elin 3d models do have clipping issues

>>1556142
redline pls

>>1556212

Yes but you don't have to imitate that, I'd say go puffier.

>>1556206

I think he means how you design positive/negative space by variation in line weights and stuff like that.

Could be ass wrong though,who knows.

I will say that kyle can makes forms but he doesn't chain them all together in a unifying way.

I think these threads are getting to focused on the "whos" rather than the "whats" and the "whys", like it's some gossipy talk show or some shit.

>HE'S GOT A NAME TIME TO EITHER SUCK HIS DICK SORE AND/OR DOG HIS LIFE

>>1556206
They're only buzz words to you because your uneducated. Do your own homework and stop acting like frustrated child.

Line Composition (noun)

1. The usage of horizontal, vertical, diagonal, and sometimes curves to suggest a visual composistion.
2. An art technique, recorded as early as the 12th century, that utilizes lines to create a composition
3. Art term used by people smarter than and just plain better than you

>>1554167
>2 years
top lel

>>1556222

quit acting like a pretentious wikipedia know it all. it's a simple stylized figure drawing, not a renaissance painting.

>>1556206
>>1556206
They're only buzz words to you because you're uneducated. Do your homework and stop acting like a frustrated little brat.

Line Composition (noun) [Visual Arts Term]

1. The usage of horizontal, vertical, diagonal, and sometimes curves to suggest a visual composition.
2. A technique in the manual arts, recorded as early as the 12th century, that utilizes lines to create a composition
3. An art term used by people smarter than--and just plain better than--you

>>1556224
Get over yourself, Kyle, stop making excuses for your ineptitude. Doesn't matter what style it's in, or what stage it's at, mistakes and stupidity will shine through. Stop acting like such a brat.

>>1556225

For one, he's not drawing a human, he's drawing a creature from a game, and in the sense of that kind of character, the proportions are correct, if extremely emphasized for erotic effect.

Secondly, the way you describe line composition implies you have no understanding what it means, line composition includes the flow and the weight of lines to emphasize or de-emphasize shapes to draw the eye through the image and on the places where the artist wants them.

What you probably meant was more on the lineweight angle, that the lines were too uniform, I took the liberty of doing a paint over to emphasize the shapes more.

>>1556225
>blah-blah-blah i read some books
redline pls

its very much WIP but still i like it
(i will probably never return to this thread to check on critics i am very lazy)

>>1556249
more
>i copied out some of the dictionary for you because i cant admit i used a phrase in weirdly but maybe ,hopefully ,possibly not wholly incorrectly.

>>1556242
Those thighs are bony.
Wouldn't caress.

>>1556273

>bony

hwut?

>>1556242
>For one, he's not drawing a human, he's drawing a creature from a game

Thanks for that needless info. It doesn't matter if the subject is anthropomorphic or not.

>line composition includes the flow and the weight of lines to emphasize or de-emphasize shapes to draw the eye through the image and on the places where the artist wants them.

Your piecemeal education of internet drawing factoids is conflated here. Line Composition is about the direction and alignment and not line weight. If I wanted to talk about line weight, I would have used that term instead.

>weight of lines to emphasize or de-emphasize shapes to draw the eye through the image and on the places where the artist wants them.

This is wrong and reflects on your understanding here. Line weight isn't responsible for leading the eye, it may help but it's not the leader. Line composition does the leading. Here is a website talking about it. (Linear Composition is another way of saying Line Composition)

http://mopdog.com/how-to-see-linear-composition-in-art/

While the article use whole paintings to demonstrate the idea, it can still be applied to parts of a piece or in this cases "sketches"

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, next time take a moment and ask if you REALLY understand what you're talking about. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>1556276
redline pls

Oh, /ic/...never change!

>>1556276
you're full of shit without redlines dude

>>1556276


I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that English isn't your first language.

Your argument makes no sense just based on the fact that you say nonsense phrases such as "line alignment", I suggest you get a dictionary because these phrases when put together mean absolutely nothing in english.

It also calls into question your attempt to talk over people by using such made up jargon, I asked a few of my coworkers what it meant and I got a few chuckles, but it tells me that you're just making things up, and when corrected on proper terminology (I assume you mean flow, but when I corrected you on proper usage before, you got rather autistically angry). In the future I'd suggest hanging around, or better yet, ask a friend who knows what they are talking about, because unfortunately you do not.

>>1556213
>>1556249
>>1556278

Your redline, sir

>>1556276

yeah the rotational velocidensity is wrong kyle what the fuck you peice of shit

>>1556292

>rotational velocidensity

not mad

not mad

>>1556276
very informative but the link talks about element composition positioned ALONG lines or curves. the term "Linear Composition" is different from what the other anon meant, which he clearly clarified when he spoke about line weight. the similarity was an artifact of said anon thinking and constructing terms to use in a certain situation.

you are being very stubborn and finicky with language as though terms used must EXACTLY match your own definition, otherwise 'anon is pretending to know what he is talking about'. this aspect of your post is shitposting, please stop it.

also, you are claiming anon's education is assembled from piecemeal factoids and conflated. This anon must insist that the same applies to you as you only seem to value your opinion regardless of context and are not willing to conceed anything, namely that said image has no background and (at this stage) we don't care about framing it within the "ER-Muh-Gawd-Comp-o-zee-shanz", anons were commenting on the lines/brush-strokes and how they add to the illusion of volume whilst being 'minimalistically' inked, which is, as you surely know, manga-style.

so why the fuck are you linking classical composition shit?

>>1556289
>>1556306

>you are being very stubborn and finicky with language as though terms used must EXACTLY match your own definition
> you got rather autistically angry

autistic! thank you anon, that was the word i was looking for. *takes notes*

>>1556289
Nice bait.

Never said "line alignment." I just used the words separately in a sentence. And why should my English matter? Apparently, you have had no problem in understanding my jabs or the general ideas I presented up to this point. You asked me to prove a term existed, and I did that.

I suggest you actual learn about art making and stop depending on your coworkers at McDonald's, or whatever internet hell hole you use to procure an education.

I already showed you an example of an educated professional using the term. It's not my fault that basic terminology, of a simple idea, goes flying over your head. You should already know this stuff by now. I can't be blamed for your stupidity.

I'm pretty sure, you're the smartest one among your friends. But that still doesn't change the fact that your stupidity here is embarrassing and you're acting like a little brat.

>>1556310
>entire post talking about how anon is stupid, trolling, working at macdonalds, doesnt know english, etc etc
again, shitposting.

>>1556306
I think you should re-read the posts again. You're off with some of those accusations, on both sides of the argument.

>>1556313
It's only shitposting to you because it shows how stupid you're acting here. You're embarrassed, so you call it shitposting. Not an original tactic on 4chan.

>>1556315
dude, i am a completely different anon. and you are still only calling people stupid. please drop it, you aren't adding to the thread.

>>1556310
>>1556313

ikr this guy doesn't know English.

>>1556316
And you just fed. Hmm, what's that word to describe an intelligent person such as yourself?

>>1556310

You're projecting so hard I can watch a movie on it.

ITT: Kyle is delivering the Teal line guy experience. Stay golden /ic/

how's the composition in this?

>>1556333

Check your linear viscosity.

>>1556333

>jacking of
>of

I don't think the alignment of your textual tabulation has been fully calibrated.

These Animu Threads never change. Bunch of cry babies getting butthurt over a single shitposter.

And you faggots wonder why everybody on /ic/ hates you?

>>1556334
>>1556335
/co/ please leave

>>1556333
i would need you to post the full version for me to make a better judgement

>>1556339

>Being this fractally co-madulated

>>1556341
what is madulated?

>>1556343

What's line alignment?

Checkmate turbobaka

>>1556336
>Implying that's not the majority of people who make up /ic/ in the first place.

>>1556347
i'm not even related to whatever just happened. i just dont know what madulated is.... or any of the other terms for that matter.

>>1556349

madulated: To be so mad it has changed the modulation of your brain

You heard it her first anon.

>>1556352
Well now, that's... clever. A bit childish but clever.

>>1556012
Fundamentals

You all failed your threadly shitpost resistance test, good job.

Go draw and don't let Mr. Shitposter pee in your cupcakes anymore.

How you like dis

>>1556333
epic, simply epic

>>1556333
still waiting for the full image m8

>>1556151
Do you have any of his old stuff? icy doesn't have a foolz archive.

I want to know more about halftones. I like a lot the ones in these pages, the dots are big enough to see them but not as big as to not look like value.

>>1556422

>>1556276

He used the wrong word. He was talking about line economy. Otherwise, you're full of shit if you don't think line weight doesn't lead the eye. Both Loomis and Hampton have whole sections in the there respective books about line economy and "lost-and-found lines."

Also, everyone is different, and in all honesty, people will go to the element that excites them the most. Line economy and composition are just there to make everything more holistically appealing and help lead them through all of the other elements.

Also

>embarrassing yourself
>anonymously
>on the internet

I had no idea someone could show this much mad.

>>1556421
This is from /a/, done around the end of last year?
http://exhentai.org/g/551336/8880e07e05/

He's learned a lot in less than a year and I won't fault him for that, at least, but sometimes his current work gives me the same awkward feeling I get from this comic, if you know what I mean?

>>1555787
Any more corrections I can make on the head?

It started out very weirdly tilted, with most of the weight concentrated in the upper right, the far eye bulging, and the face all over the place.

Since then I've moved some of the weight around, brought the far eye in, and brought the chin and mouth forward slightly.

It's a bit more balanced, but still looks wrong. Should I expand the back of the head? Reduce the width of both eyes?

>>1556432
Wowza. Still better than me though because my line economy is fucking horrendous, but still inspiring.

>>1556427
>line economy

This is a "sketch" we're talking about, and not a finished piece. That term doesn't apply at all here. Didn't you figure that out when Kyle went through his usually titty baby rant, making excuse with, 'It's not finish, It's a sketch asshole!' Your shiting things on top of each other. Who cares what Loomis and Hampton said? That shit has no relevancy here. If you don't know what things are applicable and when and where they are used, maybe you shouldn't try to talk as you know what's going on. I'm not the one you should be upset with because of your lack of understanding of things.

>>1556449

Does it hurt to be that conceited?

>>1556461
I wouldn't know. Does it?

I'm going to study that 0033 dudes drawings.
Is there anything in particular I should be thinking about while doing them?

>>1556480
madualtions

>>1556480
You should be thinking about studying japanese

>>1556449

>i make arbitrary rules about what does and doesn't apply
>successful artists and their artistic knowledge is irrelevant because I say so
>line economy doesn't apply to sketches because I say so

I had no idea I was arguing with a child. My bad.

>>1556486

On a scale of 1-go back to DA, how badly did I fuck up her anatomy.

First time trying to add a twist between the ribcage and pelvis, a redline would be greatly appreciated. also sorry for no value, I'm sure that it's somewhat confusing what's going on in the drawing.

>>1556606
Okay, the twisted torso looks very jarring to the eye. Just don't twist it so much. Move her forward leg and buttock back a bit.

Also bring her stomach/crotch in. The distance between her pubic area and her far buttock is way too great.

>>1556606
Use reference/10

>>1556607
Awesome, thanks for the advice bro!

How does it look now? (also i just now realized that the right leg is kinda confusing in the direction it's facing. Gonna be next on my to fix list)

>>1556616
Better. It's no longer so obviously weird.

Though I'm sure it's possible to refine it further as per >>1556612

Kinda not feeling where this pose is going now.

>>1556618
Torso is too short.

>>1556617
to be totally honest I don't really like to use references. Feel free to call me a fucking idiot but I feel like I'm merely copying the reference when I using it rather than truly understanding the relationship between 2 masses in 3 dimensional space. I think I'll pass on the reference, the drawing will probably end up looking like shit but I'll try my best to learn from my mistakes. I know that I need more Loomis but I've kinda got burned out on FDFAIW for now, I wanted to try something that I knew would challenge me just for fun and to see how much I've learned. Hopefully I can finish this drawing and walk away knowing I'm no longer completely shit.

>>1556620
sorry for all the run on sentences on poor grammar, It's really late where I am.

>>1556621
It's really late where I am as well.

Maybe we can be late together?

>>1556620
>Feel free to call me a fucking idiot but I feel like I'm merely copying the reference when I using it rather than truly understanding the relationship between 2 masses in 3 dimensional space
This is exactly why you should use a reference more rather than less. You clearly have no idea what you are doing and it's not going to magically reveal itself to you if you avoid reference. I'm drawing characters that I can't use reference for yet I try to now practice from reference every so often so I can avoid issues such as the ones seen in yours. When you draw from reference you aren't supposed to blindly copy, you are supposed to understand how things work and how they are structured

You are drawing contours before you know the fundamentals and that's why it looks so bad. Start with the fundamentals if you really want to learn this stuff. Watch proko videos of gesture for example to get you started. That should help you get rid of the idea of copying reference

>>1556620
>>1556616
the reason he tells you to use a reference is because it looks like you've never seen a naked human. proportions are all fucked up, even though individual parts are ok, if looked at in isolation. if you want to draw from imagination, you need a good sense of how a human body is supposed to look like, as a whole, not just individual parts.

I was wondering how this looked.
I'm still trying to get the basics down and tried my hand at a figure.
I'm still very much new to this but I decided I wanted art more in life and well here I am.

Sorry for the bad quality I took a snapshop with my phone.

>>1556627
>You are drawing contours before you know the fundamentals and that's why it looks so bad.
naww, don't blame the contours, it's a misinformed judgement on the part of realist painters. a contour drawing isn't bad just because it's a contour drawing.

>>1556622
well if your interested I'm streaming my shitty artwork. anyone else is welcome to join.

twitchtv/xephious

>>1556635
>4128x2322
Well I'd recommend you'd take a look at the sticky for some guidance. After you get some idea how to make progress in developing your artistic skills start with gesture drawing, you can find videos of it by proko from youtube

>>1556640
Thanks for the tips.
I'll look over the sticky again i'm gonna go through fun with a pencil and figure drawing again and practice.

What was wrong with the resolution? Too big?

>>1556639
Promise me you start with fundamentals man. It's killing me to see you do all this turdpolishing

>>1556642

>spoilers on /ic/
>iphone cam pic

1500 px on the longest side is considered the polite norm here newfriend

>>1556651
I'm just constantly showing my new, huh?
Yea sorry I am new on /ic/.
I wasn't really expecting the resolution to be that big.
Still getting use to my S4.

>>1556651
I fucking love that pic.

So I've been drawing for years now, and I've been looking to get better. When I was a kid, I'd draw Sonic characters and Pokemon, and it's had a real negative effect on my art where I can't draw anything that isn't super stylized and have it look good.

So obviously, I need to practice anatomy, so I need to practice loomis, so I can draw animu girls without their heads being bigger than their bodies, right? Here's the problem. I'd also like to get better at using my tablet (I'm absolute shit with it), but I have less time to draw on it than I do on pencil+paper.

So, basically, should I practice loomis harder on pencil and paper and learn to draw on my tablet later, or get better at what I need to do slower, but learn to use my tablet faster? Asking you guys since my art is typically stylized, and even after getting better at the fundamentals, I'll probably stick to that more often than not....

I guess mostly, as artists who do more anime-style stuff, is it better to learn to use my tablet now or later?

Finished the Baroness.

>>1556742

For the purposes of what you want to do

I suppose

>>1556418

>>1556890
pls

>>1556890
That is a really squidgy foot.

>>1556891

>>1556933
>conceptual penis plane
I achieved art satori.

>>1556933
pls

>>1556933
still mad?
;3

>line alignment bro is now 30 shades of assmad.

I like it.

>>1556933
It seems as if though /ic/ is using the same tactic as they did with Teal line guy, don't let them get to you...please don't leave us.

>>1556961

That's the artist himself, read the thread.

>>1556618

I've seen that before, am I in a time machine?

>>1556986
Teal made a redline of it once before

>>1556857
I like it

>>1556639
No human can twist like that.

>>1557071
Your mom proved you wrong on that last night.

>>1557071
Sure can. Comfortably though? no.

Also her back is either stretching or very, very long.

>>1556075

Isn't as bad as others are saying. The forms are solid and the anatomy is stylized but fairly consistent.

The gesture is okay in some places, but the actual pose is awful. Try standing like that. Do it. How the fuck do you think knees work, son? Bitch be pidgeontoed out the ass.

Also, look where the (her right, our left) thigh joins with the hip. The fold is incorrect. How you drew it, the thigh would be coming out the front of the pelvis. If you're going to have it pointing forward, you need to have the smoosh from folding against the pelvis.

Shading is okay. IMO the calves are too small in proportion to the thighs, but if you want to style it that way...

And the feet are too small, as another anon pointed out.

anyway, would fap, so that's all that matters.

>>1556333

Pretty gay. Entire emphasis is on the cock. All the lines (arms/hands, thigh) point to the cock. The cunt and tits are cut off.

It works as a single frame in a comic, but as a solo it's gay, bro.

Nice colorwork.

>>1557084
it's obviously not the full picture

>>1556639
damn, it's like each part doesn't correspont with the other, the feet stand on the horizon and the shoulders/head are viewed from top in some wierd halfassed isometric perspective. And no, it doesn't look like she leans forward because the whole body speaks otherwise.
You should study some simple RL objects in conjunction with some perspective. Also loomis fun with a pencil for construction but more as a side guide to the fucking RL 3d objects.

>>1556333
pretty good analogy for /ic/ as a whole, people arguing over art that isn't even theirs while the actual artist keeps working his ass off trying to get better.

>>1556436
Added crude values in two ways: One is from recoloring selections based on a separate grayscale value layer, and the other is a pair of semitransparent painted layers, which I made earlier to use as a general guide.

Next up is just gradual refinement, unless there's something in the linework that's particularly problematic.

>>1557226
I like it anon, but I think Suzuha's neck looks a bit funky with the way her head is cockedand also the length.

The character in the back just looks plane odd to me, like she's about to fall over. What's she doing there? I can't tell if she's just some weirdo who stumbled on set, an adversary for suzuha or an ally. What I'm saying is her pose lacks intent. Which is important since we cant see her face.

Nothing that really ruins the image for me though. Suzuha <3

>>1557226
The characters look kinda twisted and the clothes look dreadful. You can't just add folds everywhere randomly and have it look good. Composition is not good either

>>1556857
>dat bush

welp, time to fap

>>1557230
All right, neck adjustment will be necessary.
The other character is the antagonist of Boukan no Rebellion. The pose was supposed to look psychotic, though a more upright, graceful pose, might have been better. It's true that I rushed to inking before doing some necessary refinements.

>>1557235
I tend to get carried away with folds because it's an easy way to show form in lineart. Guess I'll have to devote some time to learning how clothes actually work.

>>1557249
You certainly do. You will find how in addition to defining forms they are great to express gesture (at the same time a bad fold can break the gesture),

>>1556890

But can you draw scratched floors?

>>1556890
uh.. I don't know what you wanted to achieve by over-exaggerating that indentation, it's pretty gross.

Just touch your soles man.

>>1555979
>my 4 yr old daughter
>4 yr old daughter
>4 yr old

Dude she looks like a 20-something football linebacker with broken midget legs.

>>1557266
lol, you're right. I have much to learn.

She looks more western that I wanted her to.

What can I do with the legs?

>>1557280
You can make them into stumps.

>>1557282
Well why the fuck not

>>1557284
Not surprisingly, there's a fetish in Japan for this... -_-

>>1557290
Are you new to 4chan?

>>1557280
>>1557284
Real cute. Work on the confidence in your lines.

>>1557290
>only Japan.

>>1557293

No. Why?

>>1557300
Just autistic then?

>>1557303

No. Why?

>>1557300
When's the last time you looked at the human body? Your pelvises have been coming out very stumpy for a while now.

>>1557316
This.

For a female, the pelvis should be the same width as the shoulders.

>>1557316
This.

For a female, the hips should be the same width as the shoulders.

>>1557316

heh. It's an old pic. Just throwing something younger out, closer to the Bitch Cadet pic.

>>1557316

Greydeath likes them old school teeny Shiro hips

>>1557300

>ruri ruri

OVER THE LINE

drawing MILF, i need redline plzzz

>>1557343
>OVER THE LINE

Whaaa? Ruri is fodder for fanservice. At least my friend thinks so... :P

This post: Trying to wrap my head around this guy's head. :/

>>1557306
This isn't the place for emoticons, and like this person said >>1557316 you are drawing tube people

>>1557369
Still mad?
;3

>>1557373
Actually I'm a different person entirely, I actually thought you were stupid
Little did I know it was just a bad attempt at trolling, jokes on me
Your art is nice in my opinion, but I think it would benefit a lot from slightly larger hips
If you actually like them smaller, as >>1557330 said, keep up the good work

>>1557345
>dem hips

saved

>>1557369
yeah you fuckhead, why would you use emoticons on the internet of all places!!!

>>1557448
>using emoticons on 4chan
The only widely accepted emoticon in here is ;_; learn it or getouttahere

>>1557449
Stay mad. xD

>>1557378

I'm not the poster of >>1557330, but thanks. As for emoticons, I do like to use them a lot and I'm old enough not to care what people think. IMO, People who get upset at emoticons have the same mental dysfunction as the grammar police. So, lighten up, peeps, it's the internet! ;D

>>1557460
NO STOP IT'S GIVING ME CANCER

>>1557461
stop using that word, you sound like a /b/tard. how the fuck did people fall in love with 'cancer'?

>>1557461
>duurrr stop using emoticons
>uses macro image and memes

pot kettle black

>>1557460
GreyDeath - care to share your tumblr/da/whateverdisplaycaseindepthsofinternet ?

>>1557449
You're a fucking homo. :3

>>1557460
>I'm old enough not to care what people think.

Yet gullible enough to respond

>>1557466
Google Phil Moy his bother is Jeffery Moy. Based out of Chicago

>>1557473
>Samsung Series 7
is it good for drawing?

>>1557473
Well, it's fancy to meet people from actual business in this hellhole. Thanks for the info.

>>1557485

It's peppy, but old tech (SandyBridge). New Wacom driver finally has Photoshop 7 working with Windows 8. Battery life is that of a laptop, so only get 2-3 hours out of it. Not good for a full day use or at a convention. I'm waiting to see the reviews on the Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga, or wait to see what BayTrail tablets come out next year. Hopefully 9+ hours with enough horsepower to run PS and MS fluidly will become the norm for tablets.

>>1557485
Whoops, didn't talk about if it's good for drawing... sorry.

The resolution for it (and my Samsung 500T) is only 1360x768. IMO a little too small for really serious drawing. Tool windows for PS and MS take up a little too much room. If looking for a tablet, full HD (1920x1080) or higher would be better.

My S7S and 500T though make it really convenient to draw pretty much anywhere. True, you can do the same with a sketchbook and pencil, but I got tired of having eraser shavings in my bed or on my couch. The S7S is lag free with the SB i5 CPU, while the 500T with the CloverTrail Atom CPU is just barely fast enough for HR sketching in Manga Studio, some intermittent lag, and you can't scribble in dark areas as fast as you would on the S7S or a Desktop PC and Tablet. But as I said again, new products coming out all the time, need to find the holy grail of raw power and battery life.

>>1557471
Not really. it's just to inform you that you are wasting your time freaking out about me using emoticons. ;)

>>1557500
I have no idea why people are freaking our about emotion-con.

>>1557500
It's not so much the emoticons, it's your attitude.

>>1557512
Maybe it's your attitude.

As if being an oldfag mean you can dictate what not to like,

>>1557500
I vouch for this guy, I used to use :3 and still do to an extent. Everybody frowned upon the nature of my posts simply because I used a favorite emoticon, I don't get why it's such a big deal...

:3

>>1557518
>>1557500

samefagging ( ' - ' )

GreyDeath, you can do your thing if you want, but could you please do it in another thread? Or, preferably, on another board?
/po/ needs more traffic, so I guess you could set up shop over there.

>>1557525
Maybe you should stop replying?

>>1557525

I'm not really that good at 3D things like sculpture or papercraft (cool plans of the Discovery from 2001). Although back in college for my 2nd 3D Design course I did make Kei's gun out of paper boxes just for the hell of it. TA liked that I had initiative, he showed it to the Dean and all he said was, "handle is a a little boxy." ;_;

Captcha: Graphic potoning

>>1557531
Don't you ever leave :3

>>1557543
>Don't you ever leave :3

I work at home for the most part... so...no.

>>1557524
Being this new, thats mikufag you idiot.
>( ' - ' )
oh...

>>1557573
It was irony, you moron. Unless you're being ironic as well, in which case I am the moron ( -_-;)

>>1557544
hey GreyDeath, the series that you draw a lot ,Dirty Pair, it is good? i'm planning to get it a watch it.

Autosage, anyone want their work displayed?

>>1557580
o-of course I was, anon-kun.
We could be both morons then

I have work to do but I keep dooodling

>>1557590
I do have the TV series on DVD but have yet to sit down and watch them properly to see if it holds up. Last 2 eps (I think they didn't show on TV) are nicely animated, the last ep having a nice Kei moment.

Pinnacle for the series IMO was the Dirty Pair Movie: Project Eden, great animation, soundtrack, and the DP never looked better. I kind of trailed off during the OAV series and Flight 005 Conspiracy. I never watched Dirty Pair Flash.

The girls' personality dynamics are fairly close to Panty and Stocking (to compare to more recent anime), except the Dirty Pair are of course, not as coarse or slutty (excluding doujinshi). Enjoy!

>>1557601
>inb4sticky

>>1557226
You gotta work on those joints. Make them more subtle. Also practice your line widths.

Anyone know of any good anime tutorial books that I can buy and read?
Preferably someone that isn't mark criley

>>1558394
Mark Criley is shit. You don't need specific books for drawing animu. Practice your basic skills (see OP) and study from animu artists.

>>1558394
Hisashi Hikaru

I need help with this character, The lower part of the body keeps bothering me

>>1558768
I would worry about her spine though.

>getting banned for trolling yourself

whelp not gonna do that again

>>1559365
>Giant loli butt stuff

If she farts, I swear I'm unsubscribing to your newsletter.

>>1559374
I normally wouldn't draw something like that. butt It's a commission so I thought I'd try something new

>>1559365
>butsona4.jpg
sempai u keep impressing me

>>1559379
>onetrick

>>1559379

Fuck that asshole ( pun intended ) it looks good and it's hard for you to fuck up something like that

New thread?

>>1559992
Sure