/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Still a long ways off, too lazy to fix up the pose (which I can't balance anyway), so I just threw on some color just so I could visualize this thing better.

Kill me

I found some pretty interesting fine art brushes and decided to do a study with them. I think I like 'em!

>>1553340
2spooky4me

>>1553341
And here I was thinking I did a decent job with it.
This is why I come to /ic/, I guess...

>>1553340
>>1553342
are you the creepy face guy? There's nothing substantially wrong with the drawing itself. You just make some creppy faces man

>>1553342
that doesn't mean it looks bad. it's just a bit scary looking, but very nicely draw and rendered

>>1553344
No, I'm not.All my people seem to come out creepy though... I'm having trouble understanding exactly why.
I'll try again tomorrow. Right now I need some sleep...

>>1553340
Very nice work. I like it.

Piece I just finished for a t-shirt design assuming they like it.

>>1553340
Anatomically the eyes are too high and large and look a little flat. Some of the values are causing things to not sit right inside the image, like the teeth seeming either inside or outside of the lips and the necks relation to the head. Nice color and rendering, I like the direction, maybe tighten it up a bit more.

>>1553340
i fixed taht for you. took me 4 minutes and transform tool. enjoy

>>1553352
the nose is less red... oh my god, it is... UNTUMBRLED

>>1553352
Horrible.

>>1553340
Like I said watch your anatomy, watch your values. Pay special attention to the eyes to make them human and less bug eyed.

>>1553353
I don't understand /ic/'s hate of any red on the nose. I mean, I get that people like phobs and others make their drawings look like they have colds, but the nose and cheeks do naturally have more red in them than the rest of the face... It's natural for there to be a bit of it..

Also, why are the colors in the picture kind of neon now?

3h study

Whats up with the Verification? Can they cram more numbers in there?

>>1553359
Amazingly/ironically less creepy than the original. I think it's the fact that the teeth are less visible now.

>>1553358

you can do better!!!

>>1553340

so can you!!!

>>1553351

i like this alot mr.halp

Not sure what more I'm going to add to this, and I still need to get the colours/light right in the tent, but I'd love to know what you guys think of the feel so far.

>tfw can't draw anatomy without references

This is the best I can do, please critique as hard as you can

I especially want to know how the areas in green connect

>>1553365
Read Figure Drawing: Design and Invention

>>1553359
Jesus Christ, how horrifying...

>>1553315
why are you still working on this crap? it's a cluster fuck just give up and move on.

>>1553366
Where to get this book? 2nd link from sticky is down btw

>>1553340
What's up with this adding of green into skin tones? Is it just 2deep4me if it looks shitty to my eye?

>>1553375
if it looks shitty to you it looks shitty, it doesnt matter what anyone else says. its the same as people who post awful drawings and then use "but i only spent this long!" as a qualifier, it doesnt matter.

>>1553375
It does make you a bit of a pleb, yeah. When you want to shade something properly you add the opposite color. Doesn't have to be much, but some at the very least. Also, even without a pinkish hue skin tone, skin naturally contains the colors red, yellow, orange and green.

>>1553375
partially the tones are kinda there irl, partially in the classical 'muted colors' type paintings the yellowing varnish pushes some blues into green, so if you're trying to paint with a sort of traditional palette (often unintentionally) you tend to have a bit more green in there.

and strongly yellow light will add a bit of extra green into skin.

and on top of that some people have a green bias in their sight which makes green in skin tones look more green in paintings than they should.

it's quite an interesting topic. but there are lots of people who don't like it. so you're not alone.

>>1553379
Yeah and white light contains all the other lights. I know my colors somewhat well and I just can't see why you would add the opposite color with such high saturation. It doesn't stick out nearly as much if you use desaturated green and it still has more or less the same effect

>>1553379
Also, sometimes the lighting and your surroundings will make you cast a greenish shadow. It depends on what kind of light his hitting you.

>>1553381
You don't want to add a very saturated green, no, but likewise if it's too desaturated it'll just make the color muddy instead of making it look like a proper shade.

>>1553383
Not making it look like muddy doesn't take too much effort. The saturated (almost cyan) green just seems to almost be some trope on artsy portraits so I thought I'd ask you d/ic/ks about it

>>1553380
I didn't know people could have a green bias in their vision. Can people have the same with blues? Because I always love it when people use blues in figure paintings, but I can't see them like that for the life of me.

>>1553375
I don't know. I personally like it. I feel like a little bit of green where appropriate makes colors pop. If you think I've gone too saturated/don't like it, I understand, but I personally disagree.

>>1553384
>Almost cyan

Is your monitor okay? Because it doesn't really look close to cyan to me. Maybe a dull emerald, but nowhere near true cyan.

>>1553352
's version for some reason does have super saturated colors. I can sort of see the cyan there.

Maybe look into calibrating your monitor?

>>1553386
Was talking in general not just your specific piece. My monitor is okay and I have flux on when I'm browsing (would make cyan more green than vice versa) but I don't think those apply to my eyesight as well. I walk past some galleries on my way to school everyday so I see some rough oil portraits and they all use a lot of green and cyan and I think I've seen it in portraits in other places as well

>>1553385
yep, there are blue,red and green cones. i've only ever heard of blue and green biases changing how people see art though presumably it's possible to have a red-bias too.

>>1553358
ya'll motherfuckers need some simplification

>>1553358
ya'll motherfuckers need some simplification

>>1553358
y-you too

>>1553364
Too dark, perspective is off.

>>1553398
looks like a dude.

>>1553354
Y'all motherfuckers need some simplification

>>1553403
forgot the image

>>1553358
you as well

>>1553364
>>1553401

Could you elaborate? I'm trying to stress the light more and I've changed the composition a bit because I want it to connect more. I want it to be dark, but not overpoweringly so, so I'll try to play with the levels - and maybe brighten the foreground that isn't in shadow with moonlight, I seem to remember that area being brighter. This is where I'm at presently.

>>1553406
You didn't simplify anything. You just blended all the brush strokes into shapes and made it more cel-like...

>>1553354
Anyways, you pointing out the eyes made me catch a whole slew of mistakes I'd made aside from the eyes. Here's what it looks like now. Better?

>>1553355
i have no idea either, i was looking at some old art and even old illustrations and a lot of them have warm or reddish noses and cheecks.

>>1553415
>you didn't simplify anything
top lel

I'm a retarded tripfag polluting /ic/ and no one can stop me!
I haven't been here in a while, but i see a crazy amount of inept tripfags, since when did /ic/ start tolerating that shit?

>>1553423
I've been here since 2009... I don't see anything wrong with having a trip on /ic/. It's easier to track each other's progress that way.

>>1553425
The ones who make progress worth checking don't need a trip, you're just an attention whore.

>>1553340
lovely

>>1553012
im back finished polishing my lil turd

ref is here:
>>1553030

>>1553415
>>1553406

Did a rough paint-over and simplification. This makes it more fappable.

How would someone go about Atelier training without having to go to an atelier school? Shit is way too expensive.

>>1553446

but now it's not realistic and animeish/cartoonish. and i dont' want that.

>>1553446
that's stylization. two different things

>>1553415
What in the fuck.
You basically just said:
>You didn't simplify anything. You just simplified shapes, strokes and colors.

And that's correct - I simplified the planes/shapes, the brushstrokes, the colors and I got rid of all uneccesary shit that just made things confusing.

>>1553446
This is stylized and not simplified.

>>1553446
it does make it more fappable, you're a genius!

oh wait japan already invented that about 45 years ago. you almost had something!

>>1553453

Shit.

>>1553452
>i'm a complete noob and i don't realise that what i say is embarrassingly noobish and idgf lol ^_- :PPP

>>1553317
>stabilizer s-4
mah poor line control brotha.

>>1553457

S-4 holy crap how do you draw anything at all.

>>1553373
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hampton+figure+drawing+design+and+invention+pdf

>>1553428

one thing that is immediatly recognizable, is that you are rather mindlessly trying to copy the picture. you look at individual parts (colors for instance) and try to pick them accurately as close to that of the ref image as you can. then you lay it down on your canvas comparing it only to that part of the ref image.

the result is this disaster. you need to try to make your values and hues and temperatures harmonize and carry over the appeal of the reference image, but within YOUR image. does that make sense?

imagine you did a value study of that image, but you are told to shift all values 15% into white. would you look at a blob of value in the ref, estimate it's greyscale value, increase the white by 15%, then lay it down? or would you you look at the reference, observe the RELATIVE value shift from one form to another and then try to keep the relative value shift within your study using the values you already laid down.

i don't know if i'm making sense plz tell me this isn't complete gibberish.

>>1553456
All I wanted to do is help a brother out. Why do you have to be so childish about it?

>>1553404
thanks, that actually helps

>>1553462
I believe I did get your point, you mean that the important part is how values interact with one another rather than "correctness" of separate instances of them when compared to the ref.
am I correct?
thanks btw. and sorry for my english

Anime/Manga Thread autosaged. ;_;

>>1553446

>>1553486
Okay okay I'll get one up, I am just embarrassed to use my drawing as OP but before I wasn't ashamed of it but I don't know why all of the sudden I am.

>>1553466

i think you did get what i meant (not native english speaker either)

but i still might crank out a little tutorial image on this in hopes of it becoming /ic/ bookcase-material because it's a mistake i see aaall the time and it's hard to explain but easy to grasp if shown to people with images.

first i have to eat these cookies and drink this coffee! (i live life on hardmode)

>>1553488
I've changed my mind about the usage of my images for starting Anime Threads. Go for it if you wish. Or use that Kyle guy.

>>1553495
Thank you.

the thumbnail sorta works, but I feel like everything is made out of melted chocolate due to the color choices.

self portrait from mirrow, crits and comments please?

>>1553510
Too much blur, smudge and "small" brushstrokes. Get your Sargent together.

>>1553510
I think that's fault of your technique

>>1553510
I don't understand what's going on in this picture.

head is longer, and still gotta work in the eyelahes

>>1553446
why is the bright side of her nose on the left, but the shadows of hair and the lighting on her cheeks suggest the light is coming from the right?

>>1553370
haha thanks

>>1553527

It's coming from the left as in the original image, also shown with the lips and the nose. the lighting on her cheek isn't supposed to be a rim light but just cast light from the left. It probably looks like a rim light because I did it in about 30 minutes to be funny.

>>1553460
slowly and smoothly.

>>1553522

don't just try to nail the values and shapes and form and all that technicality.

get some aesthetic brushwork in there, some life. some character.

>>1553522
That guy looks like a douchebag

>>1553516
dude you look like me
i'm not good enough to give any good crit, but I guess you could brighten up the lights, broadening the light spectrum a bit.

>>1553460
>>1553457

I'm still not used to my tablet. I'm still scribbling straight lines in my sketchbooks and trying to learn some control by confining myself to pens.

>>1553556
Maybe we're brothers, my dad has kids I've never even met about my age lel.
And thanks, I did it in a pretty dark room.
Just started another;

>>1553562
and here's self portraits from mirror I've done in the last two weeks

doing a 30min-1hour speedie everyday, its good practice! :)

>>1553566
one hour isn't a speedie bro, that's just an unfinished painting. Don't be lazy, finish

>>1553564
not bad, but could use some velazquez/sargent/zorn lighting

>>1553570
thanks. I'm actually gonna go out and buy a better lamp when get paid, the one I'm using now barely illuminates anything which is why my late studies are so dark

>>1553522
don't bother with tiny Details or likeness at the moment. You Need to work on constructing the head. I hate to say that but you Need more loomis (drawing heads and Hands). If you can draw the two forms (shown in the bottom left) from any angle, you have a good Basis to add more simple forms. In the next step you can worry about carving out Little Details but the first step should always be constructing with the most simple forms.

>>1553411
I can only barely see the trees, the house is too bright and again the perspective is a bit off. Try adding some some moonlight reflection on the treeleaves.

>>1553572
good! also

gurney journey .bl0g sp0t . com/2013/09/hard-and-soft-light. html

>>1553411
your screen brightness is probably too high. Set it to 50% or look up what the default setting was. It's almost pure black too me.

>>1553580
>gurney journey .bl0g sp0t . com/2013/09/hard-and-soft-light. html

You're seriously trying too hard to pass any perceived wordfilter.

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.nl/2013/09/hard-and-soft-light.html

Drew faces from /soc/

ignore the guy on the top right, because it's shitty

>>1553585

I'm sorry to say. But they are all are kind of shitty. Because you're trying to copy the shapes and contours you see in the pictures, with barely a coherent structure.
And the lack of shading makes me think you're avoiding a weak point. Try to do less faces, but spend more time on them, you'll actually learn a lot more from them.
And draw the whole head.

>>1553587
They're quick sketches from the /soc/ draw thread lol. not even 5 minute doodles

>>1553591

So what, you expect a pat on the back now? For a bunch of shitty portraits you spent very little effort on. Don't give me such excuses.

I'm really sorry to be an ass, but that's just how it is. I'm sure those people who you drew it for will appreciate it, a little bit (though them being mushed together with other people probably devalues the thing for your average narcissist from /soc/).
But here on /ic/, we don't really give out false compliments. We'll take you seriously, if you take drawing seriously. That's the deal.

>>1553591
That doesn't make their lack of structure excuseable though. It's easily the worst thing going on in the pictures.
Next time you do this try and think about the underlying anatomy of the form you're trying to represent. I know it's easy to forget it and just focus on directly copying the picture, but that won't get you anywhere. Really try and understand what it is you're trying to put on paper. It'll help!

>>1553591
it doesn't matter, an artist with strong fundamental knowledge produces quality in such a sketch. This Sargent sketch probably took less time than any of yours and it's still great.
Still though, >>1553587 gives shit advice. It;s obvious that you're at a complete beginner stage. What you need to do is read Loomis' Fun with a Pencil, practice drawing basic shapes and forms like cubes and cylinders, then apply it to facial structure.

>>1553598
stop being an asshat. I couldn't find a sketchbook thread within 3 pages of the board.
you can have your opinion that it's not good, but I really don't give a shit. I'm not expecting any pats on the back, I'm just posting it.

stop being such a prude

>>1553566
damn that's nice for under an hour

current WIP, I need some advice on how I should go about texturing the tree next to the skull. any constructive feedback is appreciate

>>1553603
Not the guy you'e talking with but
>I'm not expecting any pats on the back
You obviously don't want criticism, which is what this board, and especially this thread is for. So what do you want?
Get serious about your art. Heed this advice >>1553602, it's the best advice for what you need at this stage.

this worms-eye perspective is a fucking nightmare. jesus. what was i thinking.

help a nignog out

>>1553603
Word of advice, don't be defensive on /ic/ you clearly posted here in order to seek critique and you've gotten it so stop the defensiveness while you're ahead.

>>1553609
image

>>1553609
looks great already man

>>1553612
sorry forgot my painting lol

Sorry to sound like an asshole, but they were simple sketches that I didn't pay much in mind to. Not a big deal, I'll post them elsewhere.

But how are you supposed to know how a form turns and shit? I get it, you're not supposed to copy the shapes from a picture. I keep that in mind and try to convey the form, but everytime I do that, I get nagged on it. Shit, you guys didn't even see the refs. Just looking for advice. shading? cross hatching?

and yeah, the drawings are shit. like I clearly didn't put a lot of effort in them. especially the girl on the left with the weird ass jaw.

>>1553618
they're not the best, but then again almost everyone on /ic/ sucks so don't get too concerned when someone gives you an angry critique. don't be defensive, or take what they are saying to heart. you have time and room to improve like anyone else in the world. don't whine about why your art sucks either, just keep trying and you will eventually see results.

>>1553618
fucking read advice you're being given

>>1553602
>>1553602

wip

>>1553624
>just keep trying and you will eventually see results.

this is SO fucking understated. do alot of work. milage is a shit term because it implies you can just pump out trash and you will improve, which is obviously not the case.

pump out trash you put effort into and you will improve. basically. that's really it.

>>1553624
>>1553626
thanks man. this makes me feel a bit better to be honest. I'll try some more, and put in more effort and see where it takes me. Keep in mind I'm not trying to go for super realism.

>>1553628
I like how you just fucking ignore the actual advice you've been given and only respond to hug box posts.

>>1553630
I've taken them all in consideration, sorry I didn't respond to all of them...?

>>1553632

your daily reminder that /ic/ is full of hatred and everybody here thinks you are a piece of shit.

>>1553636

Shut the fuck up and go back to drawing you little piece of shit, I love you.

>I know I dislodged her left arm, anything else I missed though?

>>1553642
Couple things: The hands looks a little disproportionally large in comparison to her arms

Also, the right index finger looks fucked up. nice job with the left hand fingers though, they look good. Keep at it

>>1553644
the pistol is also huge.

I'm having so much trouble with the chin. any help?

>>1553644
>>1553648

I think the hands and the pistol being huge might be related to each other, yeah. Thanks.
I hate drawing guns...

>>1553315
i think i'm done

>>1553652

Because it is very stylized and there's some chance your fundamentals are lacking as in sense of form and understanding the planes of the face, you likely don't fully understand the three dimensional form of what you're drawing and therefor are unable to shade it properly.

Go back to studying form and planes of the face. Or try to find the simplified 3dimensional forms in your drawing, cylinders, spheres.
Think about the angle of your lightsource hitting those objects and shade accordingly.

Draw the head from another angle perhaps to figure out how it is shaped.

Also, if you stylize ears, pleas at least put in the tragus..

>>1553494
i'd be grateful if you did, write that tut that is, if you found the time. thx and godspeed with those cookies.

>>1553654
you didn't color the bike fool

>>1553666
he didn't need to, from what i can tell the soldier character looks like hes meant to be camouflaged

>>1553667
The lazy intensifies

>>1553486
fuck yeah you should check out agehao

>>1553665

i will do it tomorrow morning!

>>1553625
The right calf is a bit off. Otherwise, I really like it so far.

>>1553669
>>1553667
yeah its intentional, its like an active camo thing. wasnt really laziness, i had that plan from the start

>>1553559
You know, I'm still trying to get used to my tablet too. I just noticed that when I'm drawing on paper that I'm focused on the ideas that I have in my head, whereas on the tablet, I'm just dead paranoid trying to keep myself stable. I can barely think about what I want to create. Might be just me, but this becomes a bit less important to me when I do gesture drawing with the tablet.

doing a forest spirit, inspired form russian folklore ( leshii) Trying to find a good composition. Any help is really appreciated ! Thanks !

>>1553737

>>1553739
and my last attempt

>>1553566
that hardly even reads as anything

>>1553654
I really cant quite put my finger on it, but there's something weird going on about size relationships. The perspective LOOKS all correct, but for some reason, I feel the ship closer to the base would be about half the size of the ship closer to the viewer. The distance between the guy and the closer ship seems a lot shorter than it should be....does that make sense? I cant even really say how I would fix it. Maybe put a figure in the ship somewhere visible would help solidify size relationships.

Maybe the pillar beside him should be about 3/4 the size it is

>>1553741
Im diggin it. Maybe make the tree trunk skew more for perspective. And don't crop off the bottom character, give him a little breathing room in the format

>>1553747
thanks !

since im seeing it from the bottom, im having a hard time figuring out how the camera would be however ? like we would see under the sitting character ? I dont know if you see what i mean

>>1553749
Ah yeah I getcha. May have to make the tree growing from a hill, or make the camera have a fisheye effect

>>1553759
cool sir, gonna try that suggestion with the hill could be cool if i can make it work !

>>1553737

I really like this. What brush do you use?

>>1553776
its a flat brush from anthony jones brush set

>>1553486
A janitor must have deleted the thread I made this afternoon, oh well. I'll start another one soon that wont show sex I guess.

>mfw calibrating my monitor for the first time with a spyder
Holy shit the difference is massive

A lot of you are digital artists right? you should give calibration a try, or at least try calibrated icc profiles. it takes about a minute to switch profiles and is easily revertable/changeable. your eyes will probably need some time to adjust to the difference though.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

so I bought a Wacom drawing tablet, while installing the 2 free software (artrage3, Autodesk sketchbook) and the downloads were interrupted. I tried again but the same result happened. I've reached the max limit to re-download them. WHAT DO I DO???? should I send Wacom an email regarding my issue and pray that they'll lemme re-download it again? and is there free art software out there that'll be almost just as good as Artrage 3 or Autodesk sketchbook?

>>1553801
yes write them a letter you're technically entitled to however many copies you want, you just can't give out the download address to other people.

you can also download a pirated copy, since you have a license it's no longer illegal.

how the fuck do people go from grayscale to colour.....i still cant understand the steps/process, all my values get washed out and i gotta paint them in again. i seem to get better results when i just start with colour :(, it frustrates me so much...anyways should i continue and see if it gets any better? or am i polishing a turd and should just move on

>>1553835
what kind of layer are you painting the color on?

>>1553841
i think i used overlay, then a new normal layer on top

>>1553842
Muddy as fuck brah. I can already tell this piece is garbage. Looks like you did a half-assed job of constructing Gyarados. I know you didn't put much thought into composition either.

>>1553849
i didnt really care about comp since all my attempts at grayscale to colour have failed so i didnt want to put a lot of thought into a piece i know might turn out to be garbage, i just wanted to see if i could do it without looking muddy but it always looks muddy when i try doing it in grayscale first...and sadly youtube doesnt have any good tutorials that i could find, :(...although i did watch one recently where a guy used multiply to colour his grayscale and it actually looked pretty good, so i might try that..you wouldnt happen to know a way or the steps for using overlay/colour would you?

>>1553842
k, lets see your color layer and your black and white one.

>>1553737
That bottom right one looks the most promising me to, I think its a bit too centered but I like the overall feel more so than the others.

>>1553745
It's because there is no size reference on the tanks.
>>1553654
Add a few foot guards to the tanks, maybe people on similar bikes as the guy in the foreground. You have a size reference then and it creates more story.

>>1553798
Thanks for trying. Maybe this will be safer.

>>1553675
>agehao

Heh, had to look it up. I might be able to get into that (think I've drawn a pic or two like it already.) Sometimes the faces are kinda bizarre, but I guess that's the point.

>>1553798
weird, this is a nsfw board. i liked it better when we didn't have a janitor lol

>>1553317
Trying to refine my lines and the figure a bit. I can't into lower legs and I don't know what to do with that hand. Wat do

>>1553894
Tetsuya Nomura? Is that you? Needs a few belts and zippers.

>>1553737
>>1553739
>>1553741

the last comp is awesome. also regarding the first thumbs, you make use of atmospheric perspective, have you seen scott robertssons latest video? seems relevant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayjbpopn5EI

>>1553902

I wish I could be more like Our Lord Akihiko Yoshida, but this is all I can manage, digitally ;[

>>1553486
>Dirty Pair
Mah nigga

>>1553894

Call me shite but I think it's starting to look better now

i need to practice everything don't i....

>>1553974
yes but these marks are nice gj.

>>1553964

I work so slow but whatever

>>1553835
hope it helps you

the colours are good so far? I know the brushes suck yet, I will correct them.
how about the inking?

>>1554033
Shadows and highlight arent just a darker or lighter base colour. Shadows are usually more saturated and highlights more desaturated. It's also not a crime to change the hue. The shadow is affected by light too. Purple or Blue as a shadow hue is always fine in most cases.

Use some colour balance to make your colour palette more harmonious.

>>1554033

is the extreme contrast on the dildo (?) intentional? because right now it drags the eye pretty heavily, possible stealing the show from the facial expression of your character.

>>1554038
you mader her look like a sunburnt blood sausage

>>1554038
> Shadows are usually more saturated and highlights more desaturated

You are wrong. If the lightsource is not overexposed, the highlights will be the color of the light. If the color of the light is more saturated than the local object color, then the highlights will be the most saturated. Which would be totally the case in your sunset-type lighting situation.

>>1554053
Seconded. I know I shouldn't, but I like the original image better.

>>1554066
>I know I shouldn't

how fucking retarded are you?

>>1553654
i think it would look better if you added something far away behind the building in the background like hills or mountains. Right now there doesn't seem to be that sense of vast spaces that i think you were trying to go for.

>>1554038
hm. thank you. I like how you marked the water values. this will be helpful.

>>1554043
well it wasn't intentional, but the role plays an important part in this illustration. so I guess it's good that it sticks out?
thanks for pointing it out; I will experiment with the contrast

>>1553903
ĥey thanks man im sure gonna meke good use of that in th efinal painting.
do you think >>1553771
is stronger than >>1553741 ?

thanks !

very quick doodle, obviously. trying out a different brush - realizing there's no shortcut to it

>>1553569
well it took 30-40 minutes, but i thought i would just round up, but you are right :) im doing finished paintings aswell, or sort of hehe. heres another one i did started out as 30 min, but used a little extra time :)
>>1553743
The thing was supposed to be a tent sort of house, but i was limited by time and put my focus the wrong place, so i can definately see what you mean :) it doesnt really read well.

>>1553569
>one hour isn't a speedie

do you have any fucking idea how long finished paintings actually take to make? anything under 5 hours could easily be considered a speedpainting

>>1554023
thx anon,

Something is very wrong with this picture, but i have worked on it for so long i cant figure out what it is anymore.
Help me, /ic/.

Crit on this, please. I wanna make the sketch better before going on with it, so I can mess all around. It's supposed to be a D&D group, a rogue drow, a barbarian gnome and an elf bard. The gnome is bulky and I know it reminds a dwarf, but he does have 18 strenght. I'd like some insight on his proportions.

In the bg I'm thinking about doing a dead monster in the left and some lightning/beyond symbol to the right, where the weapons are pointing.

Also how do do I draw hand?

>>1554213

Wait, wat.
lol

>>1554224
The limbs are buried into the ground?
And you need better compositioning, there is no focus point at all. The heads form the main triangle that point to, beyond the ugly back bones, plain white which is also not giving light.
Also the two left heads looks neckless, and the chest meat looks awkward.

Youve got a nice expression on their faces.

>>1553510
No, its due to the tool choices, you smudged the shit out of it

Is that a horse thing puking into the female symbol?

>>1553516
It's dull as shit, it actually kind of hurts my eyes looking at it for too long trying to find shapes, add more values

>>1553745
>>1553881
>>1554085
thanks for feedback guys appreciate it

>>1554236
I think you need a better monitor

>>1553569
Speed paintings are unfinished paintings you fucking idiot

>>1553584
well fuck. didn't work that well for me.

>>1554241
My monitor is pretty decent so I think getting a better monitor will make a difference and it's better than most people's, you think they should all go get a better monitor too because they cant see the drawing for shit?

>>1553974
i love that brush would you mind sharing the source?

some progress on mah skull

>>1554261
fucking a thats the second time i've forgotten the image

>>1554247
I can see it just fine. If you're struggling to see this guy's image then obviously you don't have a very good monitor.

>>1554247
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>>1553800

how does ic tackle colouring....the alligator im doing has so many hues in it, and i dont know if i shade lay down the main hues that i see like in the shadows and light areas or if i should just lay down a base colour and work in the hues for shadow and light

Color study. Im too lazy for finish the painting

update

>>1554216
Hm I really would like some help here... this is the original sketch and the references for the gnome (who I think is a bit off). Aside the misaligned belly button and belt, how can I improve him in the drawing?

personal illustration

>>1554435
feet are too small. it's shit.

>>1554429
that a gay porn star? hot man

>>1554439
it is strongman Vladimir Kalinichenko
I always use him for... um.. references, ya know?

>>1554435
ya fucked up leroy. ya fucked up.>>1554437

used a generated palette to color
but critique on the pic in general please

is this coloring style too simple?
also critique on the pic in general please.

I am a noob-

anyways does the shading on here look bad?

I dont wanna give the picture to her if it looks dumb but i still don't know where the shade or light is suppose to go

>>1554496
looks fine

>>1554485
Are you drawing with a mouse? If so, put that down and go work with a pencil. Unfortunately there isn't much to critique here. Yes it's stylized, but it isn't stylized well, as it's painfully apparent that your knowledge of the fundamentals is lacking.

Consult the sticky if you're interested in getting better.

>>1554496
>I am a noob-
We can tell.

>does the shading on here look bad?
Yes, because you don't understand how forms and values work. Make a quick sculpture out of clay, light it up and draw from that if it helps you any. Keep a light source in mind.

>I dont wanna give the picture to her if it looks dumb
DON'T YOU DARE CONSIDER GIVING THIS TO ANYONE.

OH MAN
THESE ARE LIKE
LIKE TOTALLY NOT SHITTY DRAWINGS XDXDXDXDDDD
XDDXDDDDDD OH MY CELESTIA
ITS LIKE LIKE ALL OF YOU FUCKS XDXDXD
YOU FUCKS THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE GREAT ARTISTS OR SOMETHING XDDDDDD
MY SUPER ULTRA LE EPIC LELS ARE IN ORBIT XDDDDDDDD

>>1554496

How much is she paying you? Man I haven't heard of that site in years!

>>1554254
oh sorry for the late reply. it's a SAI brush. do you still want the settings?

i just started this today. this is where i stop before i go to bed. any critique for what i have so far?

>>1554538
WE ARE THE MUMMIES

FROM 25BC

WE ARE THE MUMMIES

PROTECTORS OF THE NEW RAPSEES

>>1554538

make a magic wand selection then expand the selection by 1 or 2 pixels to avoid the nasty fill error

>>1554531
I stopped at this, i can't do this shit. ;__;
>>1554534
I was doing it for free to practice.

>>1554532
Gonna dive right into this b8 and say come back in a year and say that to these guys.

>>1554546

Dont be a faggot, all of us on here think our stuff sucks. In fact thats actually good because if we stick with it we'll get better and better.

>>1553315
cheese spotted

>>1554532
Why do you think this level of shitposting is acceptable? It's not aggravating, it's not insulting, it's just embarassing.

>>1554561
<3___<3

Thank you anon for your words I am going to start drawing matryoshkas now

>>1554435
a little darker please

>>1554549

little too much scratchy scratchy but it reads. good values.

>>1554435
Love, love, love the fish, like the cat, have no idea what else is going on in the picture. None at all.

Second design I'm finishing up,

Sup, I'm pretty armature with art in general but I've seemed to pick up doodling with my ink pen a lot lately. I feel like I get lost while I'm drawing and I like the feeling, should I just give it up or is there some kind of potential here? Also critique and tell me what you like/don't like about his pic, not the rocks, and ignore them as I really couldn't picture how a rock looks at the time. Thanks!

>>1554527
I'm actually worked with a tablet. I went to the sticky and read some Loomis before drawing this.
Also can you show me where the fundamentals are lacking?

>>1554527
I actually worked with a tablet
can you or someone tell me which fundamentals are lacking?

I read some Loomis and fundamentals (I guess not enough) and I just drew this from what I learned from them.

also I'm scared to ask but is my "style" shit?
if so, how can I fix it or make a better one?

>>1554645
>>1554485
I realized I fucked up on the eyes

>>1554435
great colours and contrast

>>1554596
>gaia avatar
><3___<3
How the hell did you end up on 4chan? Better be glad this is one of the more lenient boards regarding that.

Also, you obviously have no idea what you are doing. If you want to get better start working on your fundamentals. The sticky's a good place for that. This is also true for >>1554485.

And what I think that anon meant is that it is good that you know you could do better. As long as you don't get complacent with your art and have a healthy urge to improve, it's all fine. Don't be like one of those dA faggots with horrible art that think they are the shit and don't work on improving for years. I should say however, even if you think your stuff sucks, don't forget to have fun either. Struggling for years hating yourself just to get better might help out in the long run but where is the fun in that? Just never forget to keep striving to improve.

>>1554644
>>1554645
Don't just READ loomis, do practices.

>>1554680
Looks pretty good. Like the pencil work.

eugh

>>1554680
stomach area looks a bit stiff. I am not an expert on anatomy so I can't tell if my concerns are true

>>1554667
thanks anon.

you made remember how fun it could be to learn basic fundamentals instead of it being tedious.
I actually feel like I could do it now.

Again, thanks. You have no idea how much I've been avoiding fundamentals because I wanted to huddle to my comfort zone so much, but now you made me feel like I could go out there and do shit.

>>1554691
i know it's kind of a hard concept to get around but please consider your marks. it's half the battle.

>>1554531
what a d/ic/k

>>1554645
>I actually worked with a tablet
Doesn't look like it. Whatever program/tool you're using is crap. Your lines are aliased like no other and there's no sign of pressure dynamics anywhere. Stick with pencil for now.

>can you or someone tell me which fundamentals are lacking?
Literally all of them. Your lines, values and color are crap. You have no understanding of forms and perspective. You don't know your anatomy either. The piece is amateur. Power through the sticky and the resources listed within (ctrlpaint will provide an introduction to all the fundamentals and then some).

>I read some Loomis and fundamentals (I guess not enough)
You have to practice from those resources too, not just read them. You should be drawing from life, that's where most of the learning occurs. All the resources can do is teach you what you should be looking for, and how you should approach your studies. Only directed practice will teach you how to draw.

>also I'm scared to ask but is my "style" shit?
>if so, how can I fix it or make a better one?
Don't worry about that yet. You need to have a decent grasp over all the fundamentals before practicing stylized drawings will yield any benefit. Stylization is ultimately an abstraction of real life - you need to have that base in place to produce anything meaningful.

>>1554546
Draw some still lifes. Grab an apple, light it up, and draw that. Do that with pots, vases, eggs, pencils, phones, shoes, etc.

>>1554680
the facial expression is awesome

Polished turd.

>>1554739
it's fairly obvious that you've copied the lights and darks without attempting to understand or model the form. i know you know you should be analyzing the form and you may even think you are, but you're not.

so, how do we make sure we really are doing a proper analysis?

draw it from a different angle. same light, same pose, same everything. just rotate the subject 20 degrees on his vertical axis.

also bigger brush, and keep the tones clean.
gl.

Still blocking shit in.

>>1554744
>and you may even think you are
Oh shit, that really got me thinking, thanks dude.
That does remind me, I didnt go into anatomy or bonestructure on this study, just did a quick roughsketch on them.

>draw it from a different angle. same light, same pose, same everything. just rotate the subject 20 degrees on his vertical axis.
Havent heard of this exercise, Ill give it a shot.

>>1554744
>and you may even think you are
Oh shit, that really got me thinking, thanks dude.
That does remind me, I didnt go into anatomy or bonestructure on this study, just did a quick roughsketch on them.

>draw it from a different angle. same light, same pose, same everything. just rotate the subject 20 degrees on his vertical axis.
Havent heard of this exercise, Ill give it a shot.

Might aswell post the ref. I didnt measure my shit so it got proportionally wrong.

>>1554749
i HATE this picture and i dont know why

>>1554759
Best critique ever

>>1554759
:'(

>>1554749
Two things: The tank and the guy in armor look as if they are miniature figurines (action figures). Also, the muzzle flashes look a lot like there are fireballs flying into the cannon, and gun.

The space around them isn't selling the idea, I think it's one of the main reasons why I am seeing them more as action figures/toys, rather than real things. Try making the tank bigger and to a similar scale of one from real life, or making the guy smaller.

Another thing, this is more of a compositional issue. NEVER have anything important being cut off of the main canvas. The flash of the guys gun is going out of the frame and it makes things awkward.

TLDR: Define the space, fix the size relationship between the man and tank, fix the muzzle flashes, extend the canvas outward, or move the man inward, finally define another source of light.

>>1554789
Thanks. Sorta going for a 40k look, but I could try making the dude a bit smaller. DEFINITELY extending the canvas though, that's perfect!
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!

>>1554774

it's a start! just don't get discouraged and keep arting.

>>1554759
Because the tangents of the gun/tank barrel/flash points you toward the middle/lower right but there isn't anything there?

>>1554435
Nice, great edgework, i think the animals are the most interesting in this piece though :)
Keep going, doing good :)

>>1554774
Push those values and rethink your composition. Muzzle flashes are very bright, you should use that to your advantage to draw the viewer's eye and emphasise your focal points. Currently I have nothing to look at because there is no indication what I should look at, nor is there anything interesting. Try a couple of angles and placements to decide your composition first with thumbnails.

>>1554416
Nice job on the colors and values, tho a bit blurry overall.

Just finished this, stylized central park at winter. Trying to mimic the Photoshop look, tho most brushes in SAI are o'so very soft... any tips?

>inb4 just get Photoshop

>>1554863
forgot file, arrrrgh....

Study

>>1553564
Better grey than garish. I like the second one alot.

>>1554868
Camera should point more up or the perspective messes things up. Also the objects don't look like they are surrounded by snow, for example look at the trees. They are just flat.

>>1554909
Thumb is ok but the full image is shit.

>>1555079
Hmm, the angle/perspective could have been a bit better planned. I used a ref (that I followed a bit loosely), but didn't take as much notice as I should about the height of the perspective. Now that I look at mine again, it seems like it's going up-hill, which wasn't the intention.

But the fact that everything is just flat where it meets the snow is a conscious decision, I wanted it to have a certain cardboard-cut-out feel.

>>1555082
Mmm, I think it's just a quick sketch, so the fact that the thumb looks good and the full image is a bit scrambled isn't necessarily a bad thing....

Hey im jumping in, could someone give me something to draw? I need a challenge, It can be anything! (I'm somewhat of a beginner)

>>1554774
Study more perspective. As of right now, it's not very good

>>1555116
Draw a cube, a sphere and a cylinder in 4 o'clock lighting.

>>1555116
Draw a cube, a sphere and a cylinder in 2 o'clock lighting.

this took way to long to finish. but then i discovered china ink and wrapped up this piece in one sitting.

>>1555082
yeah, its just a study m8. Since the thumbnail its readable its a success.

>>1554868
The bottom parts of the trees look weird.

>>1554435
grasping!~

How do you create this textury feeling.

Brush with texture setting or you smudge with a textured brush?

>>1553315

okay so... turned out terrible. i guess i'm an absolute shit teacher. i wanted to not post it at all but oh well, it can't do anyone any harm.

and since we're all anon nobody can point and laugh for how shit my tutorial is.

enjoy, might be helpful for one or the other d/ic/k

some composition practise, I took a drawing that I did a few weeks ago (I posted it in a drawthread I wonder if anyone would recognise it) after having done a little bit of reading and practice.

>>1555237
Mind posting that QT in a higher res?

>>1555313

sure

Hey /ic/ I'm new to art and this board, if I could get some feedback that'd be nice

Protip: I'm an extreme amateur

>>1555237
for sure, I gotchu. Just always be comparing values all over your ref. Like in that QT pic, the highlights in her face are a ton lighter than the black her eyelashes go to, but you can see they are actually darker than the highlights on the left side of her jacket.

>>1555360
There are many fundamental things wrong with your art. Like you said, it's simply because youre ignorant and amateur. (nothing wrong with that, we all start that way) If you're serious about art and would like to learn go here

http://illustrationage.com/2013/04/02/free-andrew-loomis-art-instruction-downloads/

read all the pdfs and improve

>>1555363
Thanks, I'll try them out

>>1555237
How exactly can a beginner estimate an absolute value, even as a mistake? Maybe if you are blindly color picking.
Your eyes automatically sees values in relationship, unless you're looking at a picture done 100% in the same value (and even then, you're putting it in relationship with whatever else sits in your visual field, like the edge of your monitor). This is how our eyes works.
You say one should estimate the value change, but you fail to realize that's exactly as difficult as guessing the value of each plane, actually it's the exact same thing.
Plane A is value 50. You guess plane B is roughly 25.
Or: Plane A is value 50. You guess there's a 50~% drop down in value from plane A to B.
It's the same. You're way over-thinking this.
As you said, this is entirely dependent on how well your eyes are trained. Ask your non-art/beginner friends if they can tell you the % difference of two planes, even as distinct as the ones in your example, they can't.

>>1555372
Is it even important to be able to tell the numbers? I've never bothered to even look at them.

I've been trying to add detail to this painting but I don't know where to start. I've tried setting up lines but I can't get outlines I'm happy with. This is my first painting I'm satisfied with and I want to progress with it. I'd appreciate any tips and advice.

>>1555375
nothing to weight out contrast on the right site in the composition

>>1555375
I think one of the major issues is that you're not sure if what you're painting, and didn't really plan ahead the entire picture. Evidence of that is the first thing to hit the viewer. What you need to do next time is consider exactly what's going to happen, what's going to be on the canvas, what's most important and how to arrange them.

Once you've considered what's going to be part of your picture, set up some placeholders (or a block-in, however you prefer to work) and move from there. This is why thumbnails are important. You'll notice that for almost all professionals a picture is clear and informative about what it's saying right from the start. WIthout the level of detail of the finished picture, it still makes sense.

Look into composition. Feng Zhu had a good paid tutorial on that.

>>1555372
I think he meant not just look at local value clusters, but addressing the whole ref and relating values all over the place will result in a more accurate piece.

Example:
One plane @ 50% value sitting next to a plane you THINK is 70%

Then you look around and find another plane that you also thought was 70% and you find one is actually darker than the other in your ref, so the darker one might be 75% or some shit

At least that's what he should've meant, bc that's what you need to do. It still takes some eye training, but it help to choose values when you have all of the information from the ref in mind

Can somebody throw my way a video of somebody laying in the figure using guidelines? I just can't get anything to look right with Loomis's method, I feel like i jumping around too much trying to add details that dont need to be there

Doing a quick portrait of a friend. I dunno. I think I need to get a lot better at faces.

>>1555320
God DAMN, Audrey Hepburn was a fucking babe.

>>1555401

damn right she was

I really require assistance.

>>1553964
that stomach looks really weird

captcha: QUALITY galuse

>>1555400
Eyes, nose and mouth are GIGANTIC considering the size of her head.

>>1555406
Think in 3D more, for example your legs are flat as fuck. Hint: foreshortening.

Pose studies may benefit you greatly too.

>>1555232
Only fucking retards use smudge, honestly

>>1555429
ur dick is smudge

This turned out so shit. A shame, it started so well. Can anyone help me/redline me/ point out what's wrong?

>>1553340
I'm interested in those brushes. Got a link?

>>1554537
not that guy, but yes

>>1555465
Nothing is defined clearly and the thick black outline looks ridiculous. Start by adding finer, more accurate marks here and there to start making the forms come to life and get rid of that black outline bullshit, always use darker tones, never pure black (or anything close).

Can't be fucked to redline it but the anatomy does need some fixing, I'll leave that for someone else.

>>1555465
looks pretty cool though, if you'd told me you did it on purpose i'd of praised you to high heavens.

figure it's time to learn to draw some horses

>>1555471

>>1555473
So you can draw them fucking anime girls?

>>1555427
Ah, yeah, coming back to it after a break and I see what you mean. That any better?

>>1555489
Not him but it's up to you what you do with your skills anyway.

>>1555509
Hey I'm just saying, man. I like to see some anime girls getting fucked by horses and he looks like he's in a prime position to maybe try doing that, is all.

>>1555510
Apparently the drawings of girls I posted in the anime thread are bad. I've spent all my time so far trying to draw realistically, so I'm kind of an anime noob.

still life of a cup. Graphite on newsprint. How am I doing?

>>1555523
A day after the cup. A bottle. Struggling to create smooth tones. Crit wanted

First time ever holding a pencil.
Am I doing good?

>>1555525
>First time ever holding a pencil.
wow okay
I got nothing
kudos to you, I guess

Are the features too big on this, like my last one?

I'm learning to draw backgrounds and stuff, I want to shadow it and add textures, however I wouldn't know how to approach both.
Also I do seem to notice a problem with the floor, the perspective is a bit off, how would you draw floor so it looks like squared tiles?

>>1555221
See>>1555104

rate my clouds

>>1555429

and why would that be? smudge is awesome. tricky to handle but an awesome tool nonetheless.

>>1555606

god damn bampu limit

Just for my corel painter. Is there any guide of do's and donts? I remember playing with it few years ago and it gave me a headache.

>>1555552

Are you joking?

>>1555525
>FIrst time ever holding a pencil

You've never been to school?

>>1555607
Because if you actually know how to use the brush properly it will always look better than smudge and you wont need to use it

>>1555748
Smudge has bad rep because many people think its the only way of blending in photoshop.

>>1555533
Looks a lot better proportion wise already, I think.

>>1555237
much obliged