/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

The craziness on the forehead are shadows for as yet drawn hair. I think I'm going to take A break from this for a bit, come back to it later

doing skulls today

>>1524268
Ugh, hate this bug with phone photos.

>>1524271
looking fuking great bro! is that all pencil? or did you sketch everything with penicil then charcoal
?

>>1524265
>sun is directly behind the viewr
>planets/moons are lit by a light source in other direction and aren't affected at all by main light source

>>1524301
Pencil with a little pen for dark spots. Also, thanks!

Tried doing a study with colour for the first time.
Also, I mostly used a square brush, no sensitivity, opaque, for this too. No idea why I picked something with so many little details.

Any advice?
Also, why is there a disapproval of colour picking - is it just cause it's lazy?

>>1524366
That and as an artist you should be able to find the colors yourself not rely on color picking.

Helmet design for a character.

some face studies I did yesterday

Britney Spears
Marlon Brando
and an unkown african model

I'm not satisfied of them and today i feel unmotivated
help me /ic/

the furthest one is my current wip

alrighty

Okay. Same question as yesterday since thread was already autosaging

Any help?

Obviously hair, nose, cheek (how do I make it look like it is a 3D form and not just flat as it seems to be now, the left cheek from our point of view, I have tried and failed) and mouth need more work. Should they be near perfect at this stage, or is it easier to fix the forms later, after glazing? I will also put the shadow back below the skin.

Wip enviro study

ref

sorry

another wip this one from imagination. having alot of trouble with the hilt of the sword

>>1523766
thanks, about the torso thing, I like how it looks to me - I'm copying this from George Petty's ballerina (side by side, no tracing that'd be stoopid) and the body proportions are about similar. Mine is a bit thicker and older compared to the original.

I learnt A LOT with this, I didn't draw anything in months (which is something I do a bit too often) so it helped me get back on track, and now I know a lot more about shading and stuff.

Almost done, will finish it today probably.

>>1524453
looks good I really like it. quite humerous too with those giant breasts for an ice dancer.

>>1524443
The whole thing is completely out of proportion

quickie from yesterday

>>1524463
the whole figure or sword? yeah its pretty bad lol

>>1524453
I can't get over the chipmunk cheek

>>1524478
well, appears that the big full cheeks was a thing at the time

done, she looks much older than the ref but eh I was going for natural skin tone.

>>1524382
You need to work on your loomis first. your proportions and overall angles are way off you fail at everyturn to get a likeness on any of these images. loomis will help you loomis helps all.

Also your Values are shit. Fix them.

>>1524490
Nice Is a "nice paint anon" but let me tell you some things i don't like.

The bushes on left have too much black and i don't like the overall texture.

The horizon line almost center to the screen. creating a very static and boring composition. overall you need to fix that shit.

>>1524511
Push your value especially the side on the left. the ears shadows should be darker. also the white background is far from aesthetic at all. her hair looks like ribbons instead of actual hair. work on that. remember hair as in chunks. but not ribbons.

>>1524522
Thanks, trying to draw non curly blonde hair, guess it sort of tagged along..

>>1524515
>you are poor, be rich
nice advice

My first post on /ic/ (been browsing for years though) Watercolor + gouache and heavy photoshop fixes... What cha guys think

>>1524557
Feels very stiff and flat the anatomy feels a little "pudgy" as overall i like it. has a lot of potenital.

Pretty good for a concept art just make pose more interesting give it some weight behind the cloth to make it less flat.

you should work on anatomy and perspective.

Car study.
Will continue with design studies later.

>>1524561
Feels very Cartoony. but nice rendering.. but again just doesn't have the weight or solidness that one expects from a car..

of course that might be your personal style or choice. its hard to tell. apply perspective and check angles before polishing.

>>1524515
Wow.

>you fail at everyturn
>You need to work on your loomis first.

Jesus, is Loomis anatomy now?

>>1524581
Yeah, I wouldn't listen to that guy. He mostly just makes shit up to have something to critique people on. Even if it has little to no validity.

>>1524593
I really didn't make anything up these are legit crits.. but okay.

>>1524441
At this point its ulmost impossible to crit.. though i like the choice of ref very nice.

My first attempt and A realistic hand,
Critique and advice muchly Appreciated !

>>1524271
I'm sorry, but every time I see stuff like this, all I can think is... traced! No signs of construction lines, bit-by-bit shading and... it just looks exactly like my own traced portraits did mid-process! (Yup, been there done that... and thank god I got some sense in to me and stopped!) This isn't me saying that this IS traced, it's me saying that when ever I see stuff that looks like this posted without the reference, I will assume it's traced. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that.

>>1524616
whoah, calm down, bro. it's just a boring study.

>>1524506
Wow, that's creepy

>>1524616
I think it looks like a face study. I highly doubt he traced. Maybe he chose not to complete it simply because its just a sketch study and getting the movements of tone and shade. Don't get butthurt because your statement makes you sound like you trace try hating on someone else's work.

>>1524622
I think you're misinterpreting the tone of my comment a bit (or potentially I just wasn't very good a conveying it), I'm quite calm. And what category one places this drawing in has nothing to do with my statement.

>>1524616

wtf /ic/

why is there so much shitposting going on today

>>1524634
Really dude? Because you sounded like someone who like to shitpost. I see a lot of art here with no references.

>>1524637
it was worse the other day this is nothing out of the ordinary, lol

>>1524565
Yea, the proportion on the body was off a bit since I was drawing it while lying down using a tilted back CRT monitor, which doesn't help with the forms much. Rectified it quickly so it maintains it's original streamlined body.

For the sense of weight, I noticed based on the source of the light, the shadow below the car does not make sense, which makes it appear to be floating. Also lowered the main body of the car to enforce the sense of weight.

>>1524640
No, but I see that's what people think. I had my reasons to make that comment (which was basically a "thinking out loud" type of comment), but I don't want to start a silly argument that derailed the thread completely, so I'll leave now.

>>1524640
But I just want to end with: When ever I've posted a detailed study my self that's basically a "copy" of the reference, I post the reference (and many others do to, it's pretty nifty)

Another masterstudy I did, probably the last for now. Doing a heck load of anatomy aswell atm.
Anyway, tried to get the very oily look here.
I really like the result for some 90 min painting. (without the prior contruction).
Definitely gonna stick to that look for now.
Hopefully I'll be able to apply it to my own work in the future.

>>1524659
Is it even a masterstudy ? I dont even know. lol
What defines a "master" anyway...

>>1524662
i wouldn't worry about what people say or call things
people often say most stupidest things

>>1524662
i actually find myself masturbating more than i masturstudy which is kinda odd.

>>1524659
Ohm. got a quick question.
Could I upload my painting to a blog if I name the original artist? never thought about that.
We all upload masterstudies of long gone amazing people. But the original painter of this is still alive, so yeah. Anyone has any experience or information about that ? I never truly understood the whole copyright concept anyway.

>>1524659
Malcom Liepke

>>1524689
I think so. To be sure, just write on the paining it self down in a corner "Master study from Malcom Liepke's (title of the painting if you have it)"

>>1524697
thats a nice thumbnail you have there.
And yes, this is the original. lol

>>1524701
Yeah, though about that. thanks.

babys first color study.

i have no idea what i am doing and will appreciate your help and pointers.
thank you.

Shit that ref is hard. It has no values.

>>1524643
And here's something quick I made while I was doing some explanation to a non artist friend. There might be something on here that is wrong though, but I figured I'll just share here if anyone wants too add more to it.

Redoing some characters from JSRF and currently refining boob lady

my hand avoidance is strong UHAUHAAAAAAAAAAAA

decided to ex the abs felt more of a spray on than anything due to her healthy boodeh

>>1524723
lol, working on it too
don't give up anon

>>1524720
Reduce the size down to a thumbnail if you're just doing a raw color study, otherwise take the time to block out a drawing with the edges of value/color regions and proper perspective.

>>1524736
>otherwise take the time to block out a drawing with the edges of value/color regions and proper perspective.

could you explain this in simpler words?
english is not my first or second language and while i know what those words mean each on their own, i have no idea what you want me to do. :(

I just finished my study of David, the head really bugs me though.

>>1524467
where are the reflections of the torches? if you add those that surface will read immediately as water.

>>1524748

it's stupidly good , well done, it's just the eye looks a bit wrongly positioned and the shadow a bit sharp

>>1524441
that isnt really a good ref, especially for the medium you are using. focus on lines right now and not values, and dont use long exposure photos that have water in them (makes the water look like ass) i'd say scrap this and do life drawing or find a photo that doesnt suck

>>1524490
this is pretty nice, really simple shapes tho you should try to make the shapes and edges more interesting when you have fairly solid colors
the other guy is dumb the horizon is fine but the treeline back there is tilted/not level plus its just a flat shape that falls off of calm into boring

>>1524604
draw your own hand instead of trying to make stuff up, because you don't know enough to do the making up yet

>>1524720
LOOK AT THE COLORS in the original. and yeah make them smaller size you should be working very zoomed out, not quite thumbnail size but small so that you can look at everything at once and see the correct color relationships. look at your thumbnail in the thread before opening it, already you can see that the sky and water isnt bright enough, the green on the right is completely invented, the drawing is off, the left mountain and those trees arent dark enough, etc etc

>>1524748
yeah the head is super flat and the rendering all over is kinda pillowy and not confident. pay more attention to edges as well

>>1524506
face should be softer.

>>1524748
I thought Michelangelo purposely made David's head bigger in comparison with body's proportions due to the perspective occuring when people look up to the statue from below.

>>1524773
the thing i posted is literally 10 minute work of my first ever color study.

i know it is not good as it is, and probably won't be very good even when i'm finished with it. that is why i asked for pointers and tips as i work.

but thanks for your feedback.

>>1524762
>>1524773
Okay, thanks.

What canvas size do you think I should be using for a study like David? I just chose 1600x1200, maybe I might be more confident with a larger canvas?

>>1524784
Really? Never heard about that. Does this head/neck look anatomically correct to everyone?

>>1524797
canvas size doesnt really matter, just make it large enough to be comfortable. canvas size will not really effect your brush confidence. i'm talking about using the least amount of strokes to describe a passage, instead of using hard round opacity to pressure, stroking it a million times with intermittent color picker which gives that ultra soft, pillowy, crappy look.

look at david. look how fucking bold he is. he's about to fucking kill a giant and he's made of marble and he's solid. get that across in your rendering.

>>1524784
that might be part of it but its mostly because david is a teenager and the head's size compared to the body is larger than an adults (because the head grows the least throughout development)

his dick is small because he's scared shitless because he's about to go up against goliath

>>1524801
>david is a teenager and the head's size compared to the body is larger than an adults

ETA: this is also why his hands are so large

Meh

first time i touch photoshop in 3 months
yeah i know I always draw the same girl

value sketch, some things are still rough and there is stuff that doesnt work, so i wont go into colour yet.

still can't get the hang of coloring gayscale.
wip

So. I tried 3 times now. In 3 different perspectives.
I just cant get it right. The shapes are to damn difficult. I only need to nose part of the vehicle for now, but I cant fucking do it.

Do you guys now of any advanced perspective tutorials that explain how to construct such ridiculous shapes?

>>1524834
The light doesn't make much sense.

My 40k chaos marine painting, I think I've done a little better at least, and yes they are supposed to be that big in relation to the guy in the center.

wip
Any major mistakes to fix before I move on?

well

>>1524894
yeah, the skin colour. more orange, more red/pinkish.

>>1524880
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzc5ODk2NDA=.html
scott robertson talking about what you are trying to do. also do more simple stuff without round edges.
it's also helpful in a way to model your car in a free 3d programm like sketch up. You can even paint over the 3d model like most professionals do.

>>1524893
I didn't even notice the guy in the center before I read your post. You should consider using more contrast to separate different elements of the painting. Right now the dude just kinda blends in.

>>1524880
I wouldn't bother constructing that. You could just mark the major landmarks (center line, top of the hood, top of the roof, etc) and connect them just by feeling the form.
If you really have to construct it though, you can take the side views and use the warp tool to position them in perspective and then trace lines in perspective from that. Or if you're familiar with some 3d application, you can build a simple 3d mesh based on the side views and paint over it.

You guys do critiques of oil paintings?

This is a project I've been working on. I would say it's almost complete but the bottom half/grass area is a little bland, but I can't figure out what to add to it.

>>1524934
Nice clouds.

>>1524934
the lighting is inconsistent. the planet's lighting doesn't match the lighting of the mountains and clouds

>>1524901
thanks for the link.
I have Blender here, and I know how to use to build up a simple vehicle like that. But I rather wanted to do it with perspective.

>>1524905
I tried doing it "freestyle" . Boy that looked weird. lol

Just a quickie, wanted to try and draw myself from a weird angle. Advise is most welcome

>>1524952

There's actually a huge glare on the picture I took, the part where the planet meets the clouds isn't that bright in person, although I will still tone it down a bit

painted this

>>1524965
It's not about the brightness, it's the direction. The clouds and mountains are lit from the left, while the planet is lit from the right.

>>1524965

>>1524968
this

Tear it up. But bear in mind, that I went for cartoony style and proportions might be a little off.

>>1524616
So first thing, I just want to say that I know that you aren't accusing me of tracing, that you were just thinking out loud.

That said, there actually were a lot of construction lines, I just draw those very lightly (after practicing and planning it on a separate sheet of paper).

An if anyone is interested, this was the final product.

im in the process of drawing my girlfriend. the hair has been annoying me so i left it till i get the arm and clothes to about the same level of detail as the hair

aaaaaaand done

>>1524977
You left off sunglasses on the sun.

>>1524977
No one cares how old you are. and it hurts me to see that you actually wrote that on a final piece.

>>1524980
That's quite beautifully rendered.
The point at where the arm narrows lines up nicely with the bottom of the rib cage, but just that little triangular shadow further down makes it look like you're implying that the inner part of the arm is further down than the elbow.

The arm may just be elongated, an arc from the tips of the fingers would have them rest at her knee.

>>1524637
Why is there a newfag every single day complaining about shitposting that barely counts as such?
It's like you don't know this place.

>>1524432
Nothing to say about his? Is it because of the filesize? I am sorry ;__;

Just tried out a new brush in Artrage studio what do you think?

Trying to go for a low amount of color but still get an picture.

>>1524984

>>1524984

The age beneath my signature wasn't for /ic/, I write that beneath all my signatures because its funny. Or do you assume I always write like a small child?

>>1524985
You are a fantastic person

>>1525017
Maybe write a date instead? And what the fuck are you saying? I'm not assuming anything.

You're clearly trying to impress someone to some extent by writing your age.

Don't even bother writing anything as a signature until your work is actually sell-able or good enough to steal.

>>1525019
Wow, you're an unpleasant person.

>>1524977
I like that though. Not sure what the drama is about, obviously not traced (at least not from a photo). The face and expecially the mouth is really nice and has a great style of rendering, but it clashes with the background and the solid colored face. If I were you I would probably have simplified the hair and background or simply stopped before drawing all that.

Anyhow, post more work!

went on /p/ for reference

>>1524720
A tip is to not work from such overly modified photos. Real life is best, even just your normal desk.

>>1524432
Top of the head is too tall. Looks like we're viewing the hair from the top of the head, when we're mostly viewing the face from the underside.

rage doodle for the day. about 20mins
I need to get better about at least doodling stuff once a day, something that isnt too shitty at least

>>1524773
hey thanks for the feedback anon

>>1525054
For only 20 minutes that's really great. What's your tumblr?

>>1525096


pardon all the non art stuff, I use it more as a blog than anything else...

Saw the image a couple of anons were using for a study and did something with it myself.

Though I left the ref an hour in and made this shit.
Took about 2.5h

Stole the ref a couple of other anons here were working on and made my own thing out of it!

Took about 2.5h up to this point.

What do you guys think I'm fixing proportions as I paint so dont worry about the underlying sketch its only where I'll relate things

Wip 1
so far so good.

Wip 2.
Need advice on how to proceed. Im thinking of scrapping the guy on left and changing the branch overhead smaller.
Critique appreciated.

>>1524443
like this anon this is how the body would contour

I made this for /vr/. I drew the robot and used the body formation of the man from another picture.

First attempt at digital drawing
no h8 pls

>>1525222
>so far so good
No no no.

>>1525222
Form is highly important. Contrast and values are equally important while color itself (At least at this stage of definition) can be let by the wayside a bit. Focus on getting the forms out quickly and deftly and then refining them, not focusing on small areas and then piecing them together (otherwise you get microchin in the background there.)
I'm going to (likely accurately) assume this is from the lord of the rings?

>>1525096
hey do you have a da account?

>>1525295
Woah, nice skills! Thanks for feedback. I did'nt get the forms out well enough and started refining too early I guess. Thanks again, you've given an accurate and awesome critique.

Anyway... I kinda got carried away and I accidentaly the whole Aragorn.

>>1524265
I like this painting.

>>1525310
Posting the ref aswell, I tend to deviate from my refs , but mostly follow them.

>>1525309
Not her replying, but this is it:
http://beastysakura.deviantart.com/

Gonna take a break then start another study.
Its crap, but you got to produce the crap one's first so that you could produce the good ones later.

Learned more of my fallacies in this one painting on /ic/ than in 5 that I do regularly so I consider this encounter a success.

Also redlined with some basic forms and found out that ive fallen off them quite a bit at parts.

>>1524453

Very nice, I wish I could draw and color like that. One thing that bothers me is the momentum. The hari and skirt suggest she's falling while the arms and legs suggest she's raising.

Maybe it's just me but feels awkward...

Can I get a redline on this?

>>1525337
Seems fine.

Ugh. Can someone please redline this? Especially the lips.

>>1525344
Thank you. =3
This is the first time I've come on here and gotten anything other than a "LEARN PERSPECTIVE OR GO DIE IN A FIRE"


This figure and gesture drawing is paying off.

>>1525337
the extreme difference in the red line already posted and yours is that the drawing has no gesture or fluidity. If you do gestures for every waarm up you will surely have a more organic flow than the scratchy timid lines you have.

>>1525350
Instead of letting someone else fix your drawing, turn it upside down, step far away from it, put a sphere and crosshair under it, and redraw it with a fresh perspective. observe what you think you need to fix, and let it flow through your hand rather than mechanically redraw the same sketch. observe and alter

>>1525344
I still think the head is a little off.
>>1525353
Is also right.

>>1525350
Here you go brah. Work on symmetry. Grid drawing and such.

You've got potential. Practice, practice, practice.
Look at other peepses arts and see how things connect.

Google that tutorial by the lackadaisycats lady for more about that whole pupil distance thing I was reffering to in the attached image.

Look up how to draw noses, and draw a whole sheet of noses sometime to get it down. Celebrity noses, your mom's nose. Line up your friends and draw their noses. Put hats on the noses. Give them little beady eyes.
Turn that shit into a webcomic.

>>1525354
Looking at it now, yeah, Cardinal needs to push the head forward on the neck.

Drawin' naked dudes.
I think I just need a more 3d-centric construction method.

>>1525371
Gesture before detail!

*giggles*

meh
i need to do longer paint studies so i can get the hang of rendering more
also i need to learn to do background compositions. any good tips on that?

>>1525326
Worked with this one 1 more hour focusing on forms, this time I ditched the ref and worked from head. Should have found another ref that shows what lips look like from that angle because it was hard as hell to do.
I quess I improved it, but still long way to go.

>>1525388
uhh what's up with that brush

pls get a higher quality one

>>1525388
Also save as a .png

>>1525385
>tfw realize green bushes too saturated and green
>tfw didnt save
ah well. try and ignore that

>>1525394
use a low opacity brush and brush over with compliment color, just make sure the value is correct.

>>1525388

this one's going in the reaction folder

>>1525389
Photoshops pressure sensitivity turned off so I had to use a low flow brush.
>>1525390
sure
>>1525397
Made me laugh, also dat filename

>>1524987
Thanks!
But now I feel retarded because I don't understand the last part of the critique. "the arm may just be elongated"?

but yeah I needed to fix a couple of things that were bothering me, triangular shadow included. Should be better now.

First time trying this angle

>>1524490
i like this alot, i see very much potential. Keep studying and you'll be very skilled after a while

huehuehuehue

disregard the cock

>>1525421
face is squished, not thinking in forms

>>1525445
I cant

>>1524979
shits too chalky bro. I also have this problem but with oil paitning. Add more warm, darks and fleshy tones

>>1525445

nice focal point

>>1525019
>Don't even bother writing anything as a signature until your work is actually sell-able or good enough to steal
Get the fuck out of here. Always sign your work unless it's something you don't want to be attached your name

>>1525447
Thanks, but please elaborate... I am really dense.
I felt something off but I don't know enough to find it out myself so I posted it here.

one of my first digital attempts so I'm still not sure what I'm doing.

>>1524643
Tried designing my own car, but it looks kinda goofy, which feels pretty funny for me.

fuckin chicken scratch

>>1524898
I like it. Keep going, anon
>>1525054
That's really cool

>>1525314
Congrats, you gave them both an extra chromosome

Someone poster a study on armor a while back, remembered it and am trying it out for myself.

Movie study from skyfall using galaxy note.

>>1525552
devil lips

starting commish for a furry... I'm going down a dark road but its the only road I've got ATM

>>1525559
what is a devil lips?

>>1525561
kinda weird it's not a sexual commish

>>1525567

urg Im lucky it's not a sexual commish im trying to make it "sexy" for a goat thing so that other furries will come running with them wads of dosh.

>>1525542

awesome. looks productive.

>>1525561

is there a reason for the boring pose? looks a little stiff and unnatural

This is killing me

>>1525633
I tried

>>1525638
interesting points, thanks

sorry for huge res btw, forgot to resize

Can anybody help me out?

>>1525033
Okay, I will look into that. Thanks

>>1525633

you don't want the non-illuminated side to merge with the background like that, looks super unappealing

>>1525645
>dat battlestance
And proportions is off

>>1525638
>>1525649

>>1525658
What's a good way to memorize proportions?
Should I sit down and practice drawing proportions for 4 hours?

>>1525658
Also he's supposed to be sitting, never drew it in though.

>>1525582
What happened to the cock?

>>1525572
This is why I don't want to be a professional artist.
I can't ride this rocky road of drawing tiny chodes.

>>1525663
Hey Kalis!

>>1525679
Oh hi! :D Who might you be?

>>1524366
>Color picking

It's a great way to fuck yourself outside of digital painting.

>>1525682
I just saw you pop up with this drawing on my tumblr dashboard, is all.

>>1525687
Well I'm flattered, thanks a lot for the follow! :)

>>1524366
>why is there a disapproval of colour picking - is it just cause it's lazy?

Well it is, but that's not exactly why. Basically, when you use the color picker you're screwing yourself out of everything you would have learned about color if you tried to figure out the colors yourself. And why else are you doing studies if not to learn?

oh gosh, by the time i was done with my color study, i noticed most of my mistakes and redrew it again. i guess i learned something after all.

Art Academy: SketchPad (WiiU)
You guyz have this? What are your creations?

Here's one of my drawings

>>1525678

I'll take it over working at walmart.. The pain of drawing tiny chodes does not compare the the pain of muscles on fire.

>>1525719
here's another

Ok, here's my newest work.
Kinda want to colour it, but I'm extremly shitty with colours, anybody got any tips maybe?
Also I thought about putting a picture in the blank spaces in the background - like a starlit sky or something.

Critique me, please!

>>1525718
I've worked at walmart.
Are you talking about stocking?

>>1525719
shit

>>1525720
traced

>>1525729
Not traced.. I drew it on the wiiu gamepad

Art Academy: SketchPad (WiiU)
You guyz have this? What are your creations?

Here's one of my drawings

>>1525728
yep... Except the store I worked at had thee laziest god damn workers it URg my god. I wouldve been support manager after the 6 months but fuck that shit. 2 dollars more to get fucked in the ass. No thankyou.

I spent an hour today sketching out helmets from google

Just got done reading through http://www.amazon.com/Manage-Your-Day---Day-Creative/dp/1477800670/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376034718&sr=8-1&keywords=manage+your+day-to-day and I thought it was a really great read.

update

>>1525764
Read To steal like an artist, also really good. short but sweet

>>1525400
>Photoshops pressure sensitivity turned off
-Uninstall and delete tablet drivers (through Uninstall Programs and Features)
-Restart computer
-Download newest tablet driver
-Install driver
-Restart computer

If that doesn't work, repeat the same process, except this time you also go to your device manager, go to human interface devices, and remove any mention of tablets. Restart, install newest drivers, etc. Keep repeating until it works.

>>1525421
Try this angle again, but this time use construction and a reference. Simplify the head as a cube if you have to.

I'm thinking of changing the head to 3/4s this frontal view like anon said is rather boring...

>>1525666
Learn them from Vilppu, Loomis, Hampton, etc. Do a lot of life drawing and gesture drawing.

Keep in mind that proportions become more complicated when foreshortening is involved. Before learning proportions, I'd learn about basic forms and perspective.

>>1525779
bring the contrast up on the abs and render da rest of the st00f

>>1525815

better?

Some edits based on the the requester

More portrait bullshit!

>>1525822
It's a bit of a boring image, sorry to say. The values and colours are dull, and the pose is about as static as can get. You can still keep a fairly straight-on standing pose but make it a bit more interesting and less stiff.

Here, I did a quick paintover showing how I might try to get more interest in the image. Some minor changes to the pose, some more clear lighting, and I introduced more values and colour variation. Hope this helps!

>>1525828
Hot damn.

Drawing myself from weird angles

I made a thing. I had a bit of a hard time with it. Mostly focused on the shoe though.

hand study from life, acrylic on paper
how shit is it and where exactly did it all go so wrong?

photostudy, eye proportions are really fucked

my hand is starting to get really fucked up as well so i dunno what to do about that

this is kinda old but the only semi decent thing on my current computer.

>>1525895
This looks good, I think the pinkie is angled out a bit much and the pointer finger is a bit flat, which might be why it looks a tad off (to me anyway). Otherwise you did a great job with color and shading and the overall anatomy.

no pants WIP

Whadya guys think?

>>1525945
Looking pretty good. Might want to throw in some highlights or basically, lighter grays. Just to push the value range ever further.

Any tips or ideas are welcome. I can't seem to get anything to work right now

>>1525945
I like this a lot! Everything from imagination?

>>1525964
really good stuff, would be cool if you put it in a landscape, like it's a gigantic turtle or something like that, some chimneys for the houses would also add some believable detail

what ive been working on :)
ive only scanned it but i plan on coloring it on ps

>>1525969
this, it feels incomplete because there is no scene, just a turtle with a town on his back.

Actually that's one of the biggest problems with just about everything in this thread you guys seem to struggle with the most.. you have good characters but in the void of space.

>>1524506
that's a fake ass smile man. No offense or anything but she looks malicious. Notice how her smile never quite meets her eyes.

>>1525976
i finished it.

babby's first still life. wip, obviously

I am somewhat satisfied with this work, that's why I want you to tear me to pieces /ic/. So what's wrong with it?

Also I want to add that I am dependent on the ink but I do want to try to breakaway from it. Help me in any way /ic/

>>1526115
>I am somewhat satisfied with this work
I forgot to add "so far."

So I'm stumped on a composition for this. It's for a tabletop RPG, and all I really want to show off is the frog guy, but he has 3 cultist henchmen. Any ideas on a decent composition? I'd like to shoot for a horror/ creepy factor.

>>1526121

Needs a background. There's really nothing else to tell you at this point because you've given us nothing to work with. Unless something about your project brief forces you to forgo a background, you should probably make a few mock-up thumbnails of background/lighting ideas with the characters in them and then come back for better feedback. You're stumped for the composition because you haven't actually fleshed one out yet. If you were doing this for a client they will usually expect thumbnails or a rough idea of the final composition/lighting before they tell you to go further and render characters.

>>1526121

I want to add one last thing. I recognize that you want to get into rendering the characters right away because that's the fun part, but an extremely large part of illustration is doing the legwork for every piece. This means doing thumbnails, color comps, design iterations/concept art (if you aren't given a style guide which includes designs), etc. James Gurney's book "Imaginative Realism" does a good job of outlining the entire process from start to finish and shows you a lot of tools you can use to produce a better final result.

Getting to that final step of painting the final illustration is really the last part of a much larger process. Go through the hard/exhausting work at the start and it'll pay off later, always. It also saves you a lot of frustration in redo-ing a piece over and over again.

Hey /ic/, just looking for general critique and/or thoughts on this. I don't think I'm gonna change anything, but I'd like to here what you guys think of it.

>>1526115
His helmet kinda looks like the "front" part of it has been warped to the right (his right).

>>1525401
I saw this on your DA. Nice job.

I'm about to go through Loomis Figure Drawing For all It's Worth and I'm not 100% how to go study it properly Here's Where I'm at and just wondering what I should do or if I'm doing it wrong.

>>1526151
I think his torso may be a bit short.

>>1526144

Thumbnail is nice. Not a whole lot else going for it though once you zoom in. Most of the elements could use a little bit more effort towards design.

>>1526151
Wrists should be aligned with the pubic bone.

>>1526121
Noted. The client was actually happy with the frogman alone. The frogman actually was just a quick costume mockup essentially. I'm trying to figure out how best to present the group of evil doers before l render them for real. Oh, and the only details in the brief aside from a vague description of the monsters was that they're in a 30x30 dungeon room (so nothing of note... fuckin' D&D...).

>>1526152
>>1526154
I just wanna know if you're supposed to copy his diagrams or apply what he shows with your own drawing. Right now im just copying what he has in the book not with too great of accuracy though :\ I'll fix it as I go through.

>>1525421
I tried again after looking at my head with similar angles in the mirror.
The parts beneath the chin is more subtle than I thought how it was supposed to be. (Well I always unconsciously think that the chin line was on the same plane with the eyebrows)
But I am still not sure about this.

>>1526153
Maybe some added texture around the head would help?

>>1526161

The head is one of the trickiest body parts to draw. My best advice would be to learn as much as you can about the underlying structure, including the muscle groups and bones. Without an understanding of the geometries of the skull, drawing the face becomes much more difficult.

How are the proportions so far?

>>1526157
>I just wanna know if you're supposed to copy his diagrams or apply what he shows with your own drawing
Both. First copy his diagrams. Then apply the same concept to the model (life is preferable, but quality photos work). You can then test what you retain through drawings without references.

The goal is to study the model and build up your visual library. Loomis provides tools and frameworks for studying the model. His work is intended as a supplement to life drawing.

>>1526144
>>1526160
It's not just a texture problem. Major forms and planes need to be clearly defined. Then comes refining with minor planes and forms. Then extra detail as needed. Finally, texture can be incorporated as part of the polishing step (though strong use of texture brushes in the earlier steps might eliminate the need to add it in later).

I'm seconding that the thumbnail does look good though. Once I zoom I am both surprised and let down. If you decided on revisiting this, I'd be careful to not destroy the value hierarchy you've established.

>>1526115
Please please please finish it.
I'm lacking Dark Souls art

>>1526184
I don't have my tablet now, but I did some quick tweaking before you posted. Did I destroy the values? I feel they're better defined with this, whereas before they felt a bit more muddled.

I guess I'm really just having problem trying to establish form in overcast lighting, as it's hard to find good ref pics of that in general.

>>1526167

not all that good

>>1526184
>>1526153
Also thank you both for the critiques.

>>1524265
Worst part is the nose? Unless I'm missing something.

>>1526147
At first I thought I saw what you meant but now I just keep confusing myself. Do you mind showing me?

>>1526186
I will anon, I am going to work on it tomorrow. I was finishing up other projects but now I regret interrupting the spark I had for this one. Thanks for showing interest!

>>1526192
Could you help me out?

>>1526207
gesture before form and detail

>>1526191
>Did I destroy the values?
No, but the vignette is unnecessary IMO.

The refining is coming along decently, but I'd like to see more emphasis on minor forms before the surface texture. It doesn't feel like there's much musculature aside from the major forms, making it look a bit like a clay model instead of a living creature.

>>1526161
>>1526164
Seconded.

I've attached a diagram that's hopefully somewhat helpful. Become familiar with the forms of the jawbone, and the major angles it makes at resting position.

>>1526161
>>1526218
And here's a superior diagram that teal did a little while ago

>>1526167
As anon said, establish the gesture first.

Have a horizon in mind as well as the distance to the viewer. Break the body down into cubes and cylinders, then correct the anatomy after everything is in place. Keep the weight of the figure in mind. Are they balanced when viewed form every angle? Better yet, can you draw the same pose from a side view to confirm the balance and proportions?

>>1526220
>>1526164
>>1526218
Thanks a lot guys, I think I know what I should study now.

>>1526191

that dragon clearly needs more cock.

working on some portraits. Pretty new to painting so whilst I'm having fun it's also a bit of a headfuck

>>1526227

awesome. they look really cool. just one tiny thing that stood out to me. there shouldnt be a loss of saturation on the planes where the heads face eachother (between them). light would bounce between them keeping the saturation relatively high.

i might be wrong though.

>>1526233
Oh, gotcha. I knew something didn't feel right. I'll go back and see if i can fix.

>>1526208
>>1526222
I've been told before that I need to do more gestures... But how do I apply that knowledge to drawing figures from scratch? I feel like I'm decent with gestures and drawing from references - just not when it comes from my own head.

>>1526222
These are some really good checkpoints to double check while drawing. Thank you.

>>1526239
>I've been told before that I need to do more gestures... But how do I apply that knowledge to drawing figures from scratch?

A lot of it comes down to deliberate practice and experience. Next time you do a batch of gestures from reference, do a few unique poses from imagination.

Have a clear action in mind. Try to feel the weight of a pose, all the tension, all the pinches and stretches. Have a sense for the center of mass, and any counterbalance occurring. Get up and act out the pose.

>>1526233
Quick test, does this make more sense?

Went back and did a few more composition ideas (not too different from the original obviously). What do you guys think about these?

>>1526203
Anywhere I can follow your stuff?

>>1526092
whoooo boy.

contributed disrady

>>1526186
Dark Soul art you say? I got a good one right here,
Check it out!!

>>1526257
I like the d one most, it is more dynamic then the others, and the composition is tighter. It may look better (in my opinion) if his dagger was pointing at viewer, though.

>>1526257
I like A

Starting to go a bit more into detail after a bit of a break.

Not sure where to put the bird though, it seems to take up a lot of space. Maybe I should make it smaller?

Any other criticism would be highly appreciated.

>>1526279
I have a hard time telling where the ligth come from. the bag sugest from behind, but the book and camera sugest from front. also the book, the camera and the mug project no shadow?

>>1524934
you could use with some texture in the grass, especially up close on the foreground

>>1525371
Lookin good with the attention to values, but needs some work on the contour lines, mainly on the left one, and also needs some attention to proportions, the legs are too long and the feet are too small.

Drawing is hard.

>>1526345
only if you push yourself

Anything I should keep in mind for the next one?

Anon in another thread suggested I do it from real life next time which I'll do.

>>1526354
Your perspective is really off (best example would be the bottom left of the cube, look at your angle and then look at the reference). Your shadow is too large compared to the reference, and is at least one full shade lighter than it should have been (use color picker on this one to help see it if you can't eyeball the difference I'm talking about).

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=116213

You might find this thread has some great exercises for learning how to build a box in proper perspective. You might think it's not important to your study (shading) but since you can't do it perfect you might as well learn how.

Also, make sure you tighten your initial sketch first and check your measurements, like I said your shadow is too large (again the front angle is the best giveaway).

Otherwise good effort, I might try to find a reference without that little stand beneath your shape though, but that's just me.

>>1526345
be aware of volumes when you draw. your characters look like they're melting

>>1526356
>>1526345
Your penmanship needs work - look closely at the lines you laid down as value - they all have little "J" hooks on them - this is because you're not lifting your pen when you end the line and swinging back. It makes your value look incredibly sloppy, if you need to work on them - slow down and make sure you're focusing on getting rid of that "J" hook.

>>1526279
Shadows are messed up as other Anon said.
And the bag seems a bit off in general, as if it wasn't on the same plane as the other items.

>>1526317
I can't really tell if the bird is in front or behind the lion or how close the bird to the camera is or how large the bird is.

I started the Vilppu drawing manual and worked a bit on figures with the way he showed focusing on the "action"... are these readable? they might be to me just because I drew them.
Also, should I work on gesture more before I advance to the next one? (Spherical forms)

>>1526355
Thanks!

I tried constructing it at first but I really couldn't do it. The vanishing points are so far away and my accuracy in Photoshop still so shit I only got something like pic related which was useless.

>>1526371
Don't be afraid to use the "line" tool, it's not cheating if you know the reason you're using it (difficulties with accuracy) - also for something like perspective having accurate lines is incredibly important. You can work on accuracy as you progress, but like I said - don't be afraid to use the tools given to you.

>>1526371

Make sure you have openGL enhancements enabled, and then use the path tool to do perspective lines which exit the canvas boundaries. You can drag a path outside the canvas.

>>1526374
>>1526372
Thanks, I'll give it a god this way later.

>>1526376
*go

>>1526349
no, easy doing that.

Didn't really feel like this was worth making a new post for so I have just a quick question.

I'm trying to work on my line control and line economy, so I've been doing studies where I don't let myself pass over the same line twice.

I still, however, remain very loose and "feel out" lines several times on my initial sketch before I go over them with another pass as a line drawing.

Is this a bad habit to keep in my sketching, or does it really matter as long as the line drawing itself is clean?

Thanks

>>1526260
http://billyib.deviantart.com/
I know DA gets a bad rep but where else can I host my stuff?

>>1526284
Nice background, that's another area I need to refine.

i painted this

>>1526393

are you a toddler or why do you post this?

>>1526404
painted this too and no im 20 :|

Short study from today

what you think about? Constructive critique pls. It's my first drawing. drawn on art academy. On the Wii u.

I know this is animu, but I was wondering if anybody had tips for doing backgrounds and such. I know it's probably the least of my worries, but I'm really excited to do a finished piece right now.

how in the fuck do I do environments, /ic/.
I need some tuts on this, there's so few out there that focus on landscapes and environments that aren't typical stuff.

I could use a little help with this as well, actually.

>>1526614
Robot feet looks tiny, and the pilot arm look bit anemic. I think you shuold focus on the pilot as the first plane, while robot legs would be a second plane, try changing values a bit

>>1526465
interesting study technique. Ill try doing this!

r8 muh spaice muhreen

>>1525823
I like the eyes :3