/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1523231
New day, new rounds of shitposting!
..hopefully not.

>>1523239

I'm trying to record my "process". Running out of HD space, what do?

>>1523268
http://ctrlpaint.com/videos/mastering-the-art-of-letting-go

Learn what you can from the recording and delete that shit.

I am curious to see how far can I take someone elses idea and try it different styles
Hopefully learn some anatomy in the process.
I wanna have fun
Original design or...well idea
>>1521276
My 3 minute rough sketch
>>1521302

Have some moeshit with no regard for proportion or lighting or anything weee

>>1523271
post your shit, let's see if you're aloud to speak first, if you want us to listen.

>>1523273
das cute but why the trip?

>>1523274
I don't give two fucks if you delete your videos or not, I'm not the one running out of space.

>>1523271
>http://ctrlpaint.com/videos/mastering-the-art-of-letting-go
Matt is such a faggot.

>>1523273
Shit forgot to remove it sorry I shitpost on purpose somewhere else I'll take it down
>>1523274
Stop that mentality, if your handless half blind grandma critiques you you have to fucking consider it, you'll get nowhere like that

>>1523273
this won't teach you anything.

Cancer Containment Field Activated.

>>1523277
>>1523278
>No skills, just butthurt

Yeah that's what I thought. We all know your shits sucks or you would have posted something already. All you can do is talk shit. Maybe if you did something good we might listen. But that's unlikely since you're too stupid to even grasp the fundamentals. Run your mouth shit-tier autist, it won't make you any better.

Fucking losers.

>>1523279
How come anon? A post like that isn't very helpful
All practice with a trial at understanding anatomy is a step towards being better, I just wnted to make it more fun by also doing a little character design
Btw animu is not my ultimate goal, I do like the aesthetics tho

>>1523285
I'm sorry, but telling you to take in what you can from your videos and then delete them to conserve space is talking shit? I wasn't calling your work shit - I mean it IS shit, but it was referring to "that shit" as "those videos taking up space."

"Run your mouth shit-tier autist," sure reaks of fucking irony in here.

Sage for trolling, sage for bad thread, and fuck you for being this retarded.

Ohhh It's beginning to look a lot like Christmaaas

>>1523286
STFU;GTFO

>>1523286
>Wahhh nobody is lookin at my stuff, you guys are trolls, wahhh, nobody is listening, wahh, this threads sucks ballz, wahhh, stop changing my words, wahhh

>>1523290
Aren't there other boards you could go waste your time on?

>>1523289
Ha, this is like 'Steins;Gate' but with other things. GG.

>>1523293
???

Did that guy just storm out of the thread or something?

>>1523302
Cancer always wins

>>1523304
Only if it's pancreatic

>>1523275
>>1523273
Ok well I tried and failed, but that's life.
Ill try to again after I take a shower, maybe redline these myself to I can see where I went wrong
Second one is just embarassing tbh

>>1523308

Can I take a shower with you?

>>1523310
>dog whistling at its finest

>>1523268
>>1523285
wow, so you need to throw shit on the face of beginners to feel better? wow

also, you just confirmed to be the samefag on every thread. Just drop it and go draw more asses.

>>1523308

Have you ever studied how to draw the far eye cutting the face line when the face is only slightly turned from profile?

>>1523320
Not that anon, fat fingers

Oh look, is this piece of shit thread again

>>1523310
that's 2lewd anon
>>1523322
No, thank you 'll look into that
Actually I just saved a pic about that on the other thread I need to study a lot
>>1523320
Man just ignore shitpost on the shitpost thread, besides teal guy doesn't really uses that name...

>>1523273
Often I just take people's stuff from this thread and redraw it the way I like too, to just practice... You know, stuff. It's pretty fun.

how many people in this thread are grils

>>1523343
Traps only

>>1523308
>>1523332

>>1523349
So tell us, oh great CP master, why should we push for more realism in *our* stuff. Can you ever give advice without shoving your idealism around? Or just you don't know any better? You seem to talk a lot shit that can't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny, so why be so haughty?

>>1523358

>>1523349
=/=
>>1523285
>>1523289
>>1523323

>>1523341
It is! I find it a great way of practicing and also to keep me entretained, I wish I got out of my comfort zone sooner (Im still inside it anyway)
Good work!
>>1523349
You are my hero man, I say this with all my heart
I was working on this before you posted that but woah ill go back and keep on working on it, it's perfect, thank you so much

>>1523358

You probably are a closet pedophile yourself. It's okay though, you are among friends.

holy shit jannie is taking a moderation filled dump on this thread

>>1523371
(thank you)

Based mods

>>1523359
It's a simple question: Why should anyone push towards your idealism? You give critiques wholly advocating that, yet you can't give reason for why other than the standard "it's how professional do it." Which, again, doesn't answer the question. So if you can pull your self from the ego stroking for a moment, answer the fucking question.

>>1523376
wtf

>>1523375
I'm not either of them, holy shit. I'm just saying that "Teal Line Guy" isn't the actual teal line guy. he makes all his comments via his redlines (as far as we know). Just so you know, the title of this thread is referring to this person.

If you guys can't ignore the shitposting retards then these threads are only going to get worse. Please just contribute with one another constructively and don't take the bait.

>>1523378
The question is directed to the real TLG aka simon

>>1523361
Idk if this'll really help you but yeah.
>>1523349
Hey Teal, what would the body shape be like in the top left model? I haven't really drawn many profile view pictures.

>>1523385
yes, thank you so much
>>1523386
What you call "idealism" is actually anatomy, which is part of the real world and therefore basic for graphic interpretation of the human body. All manga and comics have a good understanding of anatomy.
>It's how professionals do it
No, it's the basis of how the human body is built and therefore how It should be drawn so it makes sense. Proportions can be deformed succesfully with practice and coherence, but cannot be made up.
If anything he helps everyone grow with his posts and constructive critique
If you are to self absorbed to understand it's not about professionalism you should go back to deviantart or /a/Drawfriends to continue the shitposting
Never responding to these kind of posts again, sorry
Polite sage

>>1523384
>Please just contribute with one another constructively and don't take the bait.

You have to give a qualifying example to follow from. Or else these threads will maintain their proud traditions. You're just as bad as the shitposter barking that redundancy.

>>1523388
Everything in that post hinges on the belief that your method of seeing is naturally the 'right' one. You're fucking idiot and brat to bare. Your idealism isn't the anatomy, it's the way you look at how the anatomy is described. So telling me "this is what anatomy actually is" basically says you don't how to look at things differently then what you're taught, told, or blindly conditioned to.

Which leads the questioning: Why should a completely stranger stop seeing on their own and take up your method, your style. your process of seeing? Apparently you have already stopped looking for yourself and took up another person's style. So tell us, why should we push for *your* idealism in *our* work?

ok /ic/, I tried adding perspective to my doodles and now I'm stuck on how to color it. Suggestions?

>>1523378
>>1523386
>>1523395

Forget to clear the name field, fella?

>>1523395
>Why should a completely stranger stop seeing on their own and take up your method, your style. your process of seeing?

Not him, but they aren't. Whatever they're seeing is literally through their own eyes. It's impossible to see everything exactly the same as another.
>stopped looking for yourself

Your argument is becoming more abstract as you type. People draw/learn to draw the way they want to--for reasons you wouldn't care about, nor should you care about.

Please just stop. Don't ask anymore questions. You aren't: going anywhere with this, getting any answers you want, or accepting any answers given.

hey everybody

it's hatsuneee mikuuuuuuu

>>1523404
why no pizza?

>>1523404
thanks that's gonna fuck me up in my dreams now.

>>1522961
;_;
>>1522968
yeah, I kind of lost the energy from my thumbnail. I want to try and re-capture it in the line work, which is why I'm taking my time with it. source of that pic? it looks like a storyboard artist made it.

>>1523376
What is it that I am not seeing, I have probably looked at it for so long that i've become blinded by my mistakes.

I want to believe I did something right but I just know there's something wrong here.

>>1523406
sry

buy dominos
buy dominos NOW

>>1523416
I guess I did used to draw like that :3

>>1523376
You really need to work on line economy and flow of hair. The round eyes really don't show any emotion--the same as they've always been. I'm not sure if: you don't or aren't able to take critique into consideration.

>>1523418
i'm not picking on you just fyi

>>1523423
Thank you

>>1523280
Go back to your art feels thread

>>1523376
>Assuming this is mikufag

You need to stop drawing Miku-heads on all your studies. Just as you have been drawing real bodies to better understand how to stylize them, the same must be done with the head. You don't understand the reasoning or the anatomy behind various stylistic choices, and this is making all your facial features look like formless stickers.

Look at teal's drawing in this thread. Notice how he uses his knowledge of the major forms of the eye to create a stylized eye. You need to be able to do that for the head and all its parts. Once you master that you'll be able to move on from the vacant same-face you've been drawing.

>>1523376

>>1523376
Btw who is lefty?

whoa, the thread has been cleaned.
janitors/mods actually give a shit!

>>1523416
I did, I even translated one of the songs from this campaign.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGgNHGS3zLs

(Kinda related to this thread but not exactly)

Hey guys, I found some really in depth tutorials/walkthroughs over at iradukai.com on how to make professional quality animu - they even go over the exact brush settings, layer modes that they use as well as traditional tools like lightboxes, what type of mechanical pencil they use as well.

(My personal favourites are
http://iradukai.com/making/566/hyoushi.html
http://iradukai.com/making/603/1.html
http://iradukai.com/making/591/top.html
http://iradukai.com/making/597/00.html))

The only problem is that they're all in Japanese, of course but Google Translate does a decent job of it, as long as you copy/paste each phrase one by one.

This could be put in the sticky?? Your choice - have fun.

>>1523491
good stuff, thanks!

>>1523408
>spam detection
google cartoon snap, should be first result
then find September 2008 in the archive

>>1523491
>The only problem is that they're all in Japanese, of course but Google Translate does a decent job of it, as long as you copy/paste each phrase one by one.

With google chrome it just asks you if you want the page translated in English. You click Translate et voilà le jeux sont fait

help

something feels wrong

>>1523520
hands too short/flat. give them more length and volume.
also draw a line from kneecap to kneecap and you'll see that they don't follow the perspective at all

>>1523349

This guy is the only one in these threads that knows what he's doing

>>1523530
Nah, you people just have no idea what the fuck you are doing.
Stop being so easily impressed. And stop saying these things just to feed your idol. It really insults every other good artist who ever posted here before.

Or maybe it's just trolling. I ought to stop replying to this shit.

>>1523473
he likes to draw cute girls doing cute things. he doesn't post that often anymore to be honest

>>1523376
I think you need a bigger canvas, those brush strokes look ugly and unclear and pixely

>>1523540

>>1523520
Look at some refs of cellists. Her right arm is not horizontal enough and both her forearms are way too short. Not sure what your hands look like yet, but they don't look like they're going to turn out right. Are you going to have her looking at the camera? Could look nicer if she was into what she's doing.

>>1523520
Tt feels really stiff.
Do 100 gestures.
Then try again.

>>1523537

>It really insults every other good artist who ever posted here before.

Like who? You? hahaha.

>>1523550
yeah.

>>1523491
>iradukai.com
Nice Find, Cheers

>>1523537
i agree, it's quite possible to idolize someone without condescending everyone else, but people love to post fretful things on anonymous imageboard.

>>1523537
Not to mention TLG is basically repeating a lot of the things you would find in the Vilpuu, Loomis, Hampton, and Blair books. If you were actually studying like you're supposed to you would be applying those things to your art already.

But nope i haVe uNIQkeE STyllE lOoK ATT My sHIitTY vALUes

sketched, no draft lines or whatever just free handed.. i dunno what's your opinion on it. i dont even know how to draw the human anatomy so i tried to fuckin wing it.

Hey guys i really like the style of Anime/Manga and even though i have never read a manga before or watched an anime besides stuff on nickolodeon ie: Inyuasha and Avatar which both i loved and are probabbly the best animes ever.

I really want to create my own manga. the thing is i only know how to loomis. so how do i start style zation of my arts?

pic related i sketched it one day.

Which one of you little bitches is ready to get smacked around? Daddys here.

>>1523619
If you know how to Loomis already, you should get some how to manga books and study some of the better artists out there. Remember, manga books are a supplement. How to make comics by Scott McLoud maybe.

Also the autist is here. Remember, just ignore.

>>1523486
sugoi sugoi

>>1523632

Thanks

>>1523636
>is offered valid advice
>calls poster a name
>insulting everyone in every thread
please stop shitting up our fucking forum, reported and polite sage because unrelated to topic.

>>1523632
Alright thanks man. im actually pretty interested in manga art. Even if it's just to add a bit of syleization to my work.

I know i may come off as a troll or whatever but ic lets me run wild. but overall i do post things i feel strongly about even if it is in a deuche baggy way.

So in other words, my post might come off as trolling/stupid but overall i mean what i say and there is def truth in the overall message im trying to convey. and any good artist will see that.

ie. i will actually give a crit which is pretty good. but it will be up to you how to take it.

>>1523619
>style zation

>>1523608
>i tried to fuckin wing it
Don't fucking wing it. It doesn't even come close to decent.

Realize you can't come looking for critique with no foundation at all. You are far from the stage where you need to learn anatomy because you don't even understand the more basic concepts. All the resources you need are in the sticky. Go learn and stop being lazy.

>>1523608
one practical tip about getting better control and stoping chickenscratching:

imagine that you are using a unereasable pen (or actually do it in traditional) and do a bunch of sketches with it.
keep in your head a mindset of "never going back to redraw the line", so all your lines are supposed to be FINAL. if you make a crooked line, just work with it. maybe even draw a sketch of intentional crooked lines and try to make it work.
make a page full of sketches with it.
after it you should be doing better.

It's basically the exact same mentality as you would have in a drawchat or doing oekaki.
it's useful to get into focus and you will automatically stop rushing. at least it works with me.
you really need to stop half assing your drawings and make them more aware and final.

>>1523442
Thanks for the advice, I'll get to work on that this week.

>>1523465
How adorable!

>>1523473
He specializes in cuteness

>>1523705
Any links to his works?

>>1523709

http://flatberry.deviantart.com/

>>1523709
Uh...well he apparently got a job and doesn't draw much anymore according to his journal entries.

>>1523705
>He specializes in cuteness
read his latest dA post

http://flatberry.tumblr.com/

he's goin' guro

>>1523632
>>1523619
> even though i have never read a manga before
>Inyuasha and Avatar which both i loved and are probabbly the best animes ever.
>how to draw manga books
stop shitting up this already terrible thread.

>>1523723
I know I just saw, and I was reluctant to even post his tumblr when i read that but as you just posted it oh well time to eat my own words!

This thread should be locked or deleted.

>>1523651
mastering manga by mark crilley

>>1523731
lol mark crilley

>>1523737
bite the pillow

>>1523724
stop replying

Please be gentle.

>>1523723
>>1523726
Can't say I'm a fan haha.

On another note, where are some good drapery study resources?

>>1523737
wait at least another two years before posting.

..or nevermind.
never post ever again.

>>1523739
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8w9rxcfmx8536bs/Fabrics.rar

>>1523740
One of my hobbies is drawing so i am no peofessiona; at art but im not shit at it either.If you don't have anything good t say dont say at all.

>>1523747
sure thing, troll-chan. i believe you.
you can do it.

>>1523737

Can I get the red line please?

>>1523746
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/8w9rxcfmx8536bs/Fabrics.rar
Thanks for this, from Famous Artist Course if anyone's looking for it.

>>1523746
My love.

>>1523747
You'd be best not responding to anyone because it'll just cause chaos. Using "hobbies" and "i am no peofessiona; at art" as an excuse won't get you anywhere.

>>1523752
Red lines are useless if you don't have any desire to learn basic foundations. You won't find help here, especially with an immature attitude.

>>1523376
1. Bigger canvas.
2. Fewer lines.
3. Make them lines flow girl
4. Work on expressions for a bit. I even made a template for you because I was really fucking bored. (pic)

>>1523349

Rather than helping individuals, could you help all of us?

Like make youtube critique videos correcting submitted art.

That'd be a lot easier than trying to get hold of these images

>>1523774
I haven't asked this question because I feel dumb asking it but here it goes, it's at 4000 by 4000 but then I select actual pixels...what size brush do you guys use when working on a canvas that size and how far zoomed in?

And thank you so much for your advice and templates.

>>1523789
I don't use photoshop, so I really can't help. On SAI, I use a 1000x1000 canvas just to fuck around and stuff, and use a somewhat larger-than-necessary brush for sketching. I don't know how to help our case, though. I hope someone rolls around and helps ya :/

Is it fine to just scan a pencil drawing then scan and edit it a little bit to make it digital? I tried to use a tablet several times, but I just can't learn the ropes for it.

>>1523792
>Mentioned scan twice
Sorry about that.

>>1523784
Teal does more than anyone to help us out, how can you ask for more without feeling like a jerk?

>>1523792
>>1523794
Scanning is perfectly fine, but you'll still probably have to use your tablet for clean lines and coloring and stuff. How long have you had your tablet? When I first got mine, it felt like my hands were made of jelly, and my lines just looked like shit! It just takes time to get used to it. It took me a couple months...

>>1523797
My family have one for a year or so, I only got a handle on it for two weeks or so. Holy damn everything I draw with it automatically turns abstract, can't even draw a nice bald head.

>>1523800
oooh, don't even try that yet lol. Just draw a bunch of circles and lines and stuff. I'll try to see if I saved any of my old tablet stuff, just to show you hehe.

>>1523784
Are you really being a jerk and asking more help from people who are already helping? He doesn't work for you or us
If you want general help just go with the resources on the OP post, once you start to get better you will see why he picks issues to help with, usually because it's a common problem ONCE you've gone past the basics

>>1523803
Sorry for the trouble, thanks for the help!

>>1523804
It's no trouble at all.
Also, I think I deleted all of my old art from the universe's memory, so I can't show you any of my old stuff, heh, sorry.

>>1523789
Don't sweat small details like that. You should try these things out for yourself. It's not that hard, but still here are some pointers:

-Zoom: Work at a size you are comfortable with. At the sketching phase zoom out far enough so you can see everything you need to see. Generally it would be wise not to zoom in too much, unless you are working on/correcting small details.

-Brushsize: It doesn't really matter. i'd say at least 8 if you want to have a decent range for line width. Just do whatever looks good to you.

>>1523805
No problem, it's the thought that matters. Anyway, I'll try to grab that damned wacom back here. Hopefully I'll git gud somewhere along the way.

>>1523808
That's the spirit!

>>1523789
stay at ~50% zoom for rough sketching, move into 100% for fine detailing. don't draw a lot past 100% or else things get pixely

what software are you using?

>>1523812
If I may ask, is there any tips on how to handle the "hand & monitor" thing? On paper, you always see your hand going through the picture while you can only see the pointer in the monitor and not actually your hand. It kinda sets me off balance. Does it fix itself over time or is there a trick?

>>1523816

Not op, but I've not only grown accustomed to not seeing my hand when drawing, I prefer it that way. And it happened rather quickly. The only time I would choose the Cintiq is when using actual tools (triangles, straight edges). At all other times, not seeing your hand is an advantage. There's no need to reposition yourself so that your hand isn't blocking the drawing, and you don't have to take your eyes off the subject when you are doing a photo study.

There are still some things best done on paper, such as curvilinear perspective, anything involving a compass. There's no intuitive way to do that "by hand" on the computer.

>>1523831
Hmmm, I see. Thanks, that makes sense.

>>1523815
Photoshop CS6

>>1523774
>dat neck
would not bang

>>1523847
Yeah, I just kind of put it there. I know it's not pretty.

So after yesterday with the help of teal and this kind anon >>1523385 I decided to take a rest so I could continue today with the analysis of my attempts.
It's just a photoshop manipulation based on form simplification and annons redline of my first attempt, so I could modify the second attempt to fit more realistic proportions, the following step would be to redraw everything from scratch, but im at work with no tablet or even a notebook and pencil.
Maybe this would be helpful for some of you, It was for me!
Row 1: Figure simplification of the head in those poses
Row 2: Anons redline with the figures
Row 3: Second attempt and how it doesn't fit the proportions (the front one DAT HEAD)
Row 4: Before manipulation and after manipulation. I saw a big improvement

>>1523868
it may be an improvement but don't forget that you still don't really have a grasp on the real features of the face.
I'd say really make some in depth breakdowns (studies) of real life facial features.
it will help you to get an understanding of everything, and in the long run you will be able to do more with it.

>>1523872
Believe me, I know. I'm doing the anime thing for fun mostly, and because after not coming to /ic/ for a while I figured why the fuck not.
I am working on my reality based studies too, I already have a good foundation with the basics, it's so it's just studies, more observation and practice.

>>1523784
Because he's an autistic neckbeard pedophile who's too busy fapping to his own hand drawn child porn, sad but true

>>1523927
>autistic neckbeard pedophile
Like something bad.

>>1523737
pic related

>>1523752
everything in that image is wrong, what's the point.

>>1524013
therefore it should be the next op image for these train wrecks masquerading as threads

>>1523737
here you go

draws generic shit
posts on here
inb4 ignored

>>1524065
Her torso and legs are just too short! Her hands would reach to her knees if she stood up!

>>1524078
I still like his plump and chubby characters though :3

They're delicious.

>>1524078
goddamn ur right

>>1524078
If she's supposed to be one of those pregnant lolis with huge ass hips and breasts, then the person who redlined has succeeded. That's what most people in these threads are aiming for anyway.

phew, now to color it.

>>1524104
I love ren & stimpy SO MUCH

>>1524104
You have no idea how to cartoon let alone actually ink it. I hate to blunt and negative but it's people like you who give cartooning a bad rep on how people use it as an excuse to not become a skilled draftsman. Cartooning is an artform that, when it's not bullshit, involves studies of the human and animal figure. You need to study rhythm and improve your line of action. You also need to study form, line, and construction. In fact, if you really want to be good at cartooning, take a few weeks and do nothing but practice the bare necessities of art fundamentals and apply it to your own drawings, but this is scholar level if you ever want to get into a decent job or school, and isn't absolutely necessary if you just study the above. If you don't want to do ANY of that, watch your favorite cartoons and take a few screencaps of your favorite poses. Copy what you think looks good and apply it to your own drawings. This is the absolute bottom of studying that can make your drawings a little more appealing.
But really, if you're going to draw Ren and Stimpy, at least learn the techniques from John K himself.
Go to his blog, John K Stuff, and look up his curriculum on cartooning and his many other helpful postings on stuff like inking, BG painting, color theory, and even storyboarding. Also, look into Preston Blair books.
Get better. You don't want to be a Tom Preston for the rest of your life and never seek improvement.
Cartooning should be a respected artform, but unfortunately you will always get stomped on by other pretentious artists, and no matter the amount of work you put into it, they will always criticize you for being lazy. At your current skill level, you probably deserve their beatings. But if you work hard at it, you won't deserve it, but you'll still get made fun of by "serious" artists. Cartooning isn't a respected artform except by other cartoon artists, and it really blows. But nobody said being a cartoonist is easy; people only assume its easy.

>>1524206
you're right. i've actually looked at John K's blog and his posts about art and theories and whatnot are very interesting. I have no intention of neglecting the principles of art and drawing cartoony things just because I think it's easier than everything else because I don't understand how important real life drawing skills are in drawing stylized cartoon drawings.

So, I guess, thank you for wanting to spare me humiliation. I'll go learn the basics before I jump into this kind of thing.

>>1524240
*because I don't. I understand...

>>1524104
What the fuck is even going on with Ren's pose? Is he slapping Stimpy or something? His post doesn't suggest any of this.

>>1524206
>Cartooning isn't a respected artform except by other cartoon artists, and it really blows.

Anyone harboring that sort of sentiment should be ignored in the first place.

>>1523726
>>1523723
Am I kawaii uguu~?

>>1524259
No lefty you suck, go study anatomy.

Planning on doing a personal comic, eventually. Playing around with some character concepts. I don’t want it to look too cartoon like, but I don’t want it to seem all that realistic either. Finding the sweet spot is taking some time. Probably work on some of the females tomorrow.

I definitely don't want it to look like animu, although maybe a few influences here or there I could tolerate. Just not the typical weeaboo bull shit.

>>1524259

>>1524266
Mikufag once again epic fail. Neck THICK. scary face and looks like stickers. Like seriously you should be BEYOND this and yet you are still at the same place you were 3-4 or more threads ago. I have no hope for you anymore as an artist dude just... nope.

>>1524269
Dang, and I thought I had it this time. Welp, back to more studying.

>>1524259

are you really going to start drawing guro

that's gross man

>>1524272
You don't ever! Seriously anymore you are a meme that won't die because you suck that bad and just draw the same shit with thick neck and face with thrown on sticker faces. People on here have told you ALL you need to get better yet you ignore it. It's getting old and there is NO excuse for the execution for your work. NONE.

>>1524273
yep there are some pretty sick fags in this thread. basically the anime general is more like hentai/fetish general.

>>1524274
I'm trying to understand what makes up these faces and then, you know... stylize it I guess. I tried to use the third one from the bottom.

>>1524278
yeah but you need to learn the fundamentals! like we have been telling you over and over. And when you draw anime style neck and head are not that thick. You don't know how to stylize and you ignore fundamentals like a tard. I swear all you want is attention in this thread -_-

>>1524278
This should be useful actually, thanks.

>>1524266
I still think you have hope... and you should too. To be honest, your character actually sort of has an expression this time.

And as I said before, work on your lines because even in sketching, avoiding chicken-scratch lines is beneficial.

Everyone has said this before but as much as you do, don't draw Miku every single time you want to draw. Post an actual study that you did where we don't see a (badly drawn) Miku.

>>1524278
You don't have the available techniques to use these references with understanding. All you are doing is copying what you think the reference looks like.

I know what you want: to draw Miku right away and not practice the seemingly mundane fundamental concepts that would lead you to do it correctly. Overcome this laziness if you really want to improve. Stylizing is the least of your worries right now.

>>1524281
>>1524283
Thanks guys, I'll slow it down and learn to crawl again.

>>1524266
but im le tired

>>1524262
sup mate
is that a dying miku : 3

>>1524273
"mild guro and gay stuff...maybe"

>>1524287
>that feel when you forget how to quote

>>1524288
You thought it was dying ugh I really am bad lol.

>>1524283
>I still think you have hope... and you should too
Seriously? you are being too soft. I have been lurking this thread for months now and I know what has and hasn't changed. Which is actually very little. He thinks he can just bullshit his drawings, post on this thread, get the SAME advice/critics, don't do shit, repeat. He is more of a attention fag who doesn't take art seriously if he is getting into the hobby and expects to be like Teal with a week.

>>1524286
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
read it miku I know you will make us proud one day

>>1524281
Stylized necks don't always have to be thin. The problem is the eyes and nose are symbolic of the more thin anime style as a whole and the more natural proportions don't mesh with them. If he stylized the eyes and nose in a different way it might not be so jarring.

>>1524206
John, please.

>>1524292
>Stylized necks don't always have to be thin
Thats real cute. but Miku looks like a crossdressing fag if that's the "style" he is going for. Thickness does matter in the anime style and I highly doubt he is going for thick DC/Marvel style either. So before you say shit do your homework.

>>1524293
Feel the butthurt of truth.

>>1524294
I'm talking stylized concepts in general cupcake.
Not just what Miku looks like plainly. If he is going for that, he needs to practice just mimicking her images ad infinitum.

>>1524295
John.
Come on.

anyone have an example of good semi-anime, semi realistic/ rendered curly hair?

>>1524298
Yes I get that but you must be new when it comes to Mikufag; This dude wants to draw anime so he won't go past other stylization. He's more of a copy and past type of dude. Symbol drawing for days(months). He will probably just glance at your advice then ignore it like usual. Sadly I don't think he will ever get further if he continues his laziness and not push himself further. This thread can only nag/critic/advise him so much. :/

>>1524294
Well here is how I tried to go at it, I'm reading the sticky tomorrow.

>>1524298
Mercy!

>>1524289
^^;
what were you going for?

>>1524287
I swear, if you do anything to yakui i will kill you

>>1524305
Then just stop nag/critic/advising him. If he's not going to take it to heart, it's not worth wasting the time trying.

>>1524309
>implying i would hurt mai waifu

i'm just planning to shoot morphine straight into her eyeball, geez

>>1524308
I was going for the third one from the bottom

>>1524278

>>1524306
don't be bounded by those methods that the books teach you and do exactly what they do.
Modify and apply those techniques to suit your purpose.
This would be an example I guess. I'm also still a beginner, but I think this is how you should take the information from the books.

>>1524311
suck my cock dipshit, that's my waifu. you dont do that to waifus man

>>1524314
Yep you don't really understand basics either but hey I think you are moving a little bit at a higher rate then Mikufag so congrats I have hope for you.

>>1524315
>being this defensive

Hehe I am sure glad Miku isn't one of yours :3

>>1524314
Thanks, it's been quite a journey for me and I still have a long way to go.

>>1524264

Fat guy looks like a punchable greasy skeezball

if that's what you're going for good job

These are pretty cool

>>1524316
Yeah, still trying to get good.
Going through Loomis' Drawing the Heads and Hands and it's pretty tough

>>1524319
>glad Miku isn't one of yours
Miku is everyone's bitch.

>>1524319
>one of
haremshit detected

>>1524327
How horrifying! At least whoever drew that knows what they're doing, I think.

>>1524326
I wouldn't focus TOO much on loomis/Villpu as a beginner. You more so need Hart and anime how to books since they give you more of an easier way to start anatomy/proportions. Then as you get better work on loomis/Villpu to challenge yourself to get a thorough understanding of realism and so on.

>>1524331
>hart

>>1524330
You don't fap to Miku getting gangbanged? wow guess you are more of a fap ontop of body pillow guy.

>>1524334
wait, what the fuck? how did my gif turn into a pony?

>>1524336
To be honest I don't even watch Anime. Oh well tomorrow is another day to draw night night /ic/ thanks for keeping it real.

>>1524319
Also Mikufag if you still want to work on realism Mikustyle I recommend studying from Miku cosplays are reference. So you can still have a little fun I guess.

>>1524337
Friendship is magiccc that's how. XD

>>1524334
fuck

>>1524338
woooooow now we know the truth Mikufag doesn't even watch anime...but what was shown was more hentai (anime porn) . Too bad you are too busy to not watch Madoka,K-On, Clannad, and so on.

>>1524259
Lefty, your ellipses are so fucking shoddy. You'd see an immediate improvement if you just studied a little perspective and practised them.

>>1524339
Thanks, but it took /ic/ to give me a wake up call and make me realize that realistic proportions and Animu style don't mix...especially with the neck.

I feel like I just have to keep at it until it clicks and makes sense.

>>1524343
Maybe I'll get into watching Anime more like I enjoy trying to understand and draw it. goodnight.

>>1524310
Well the chance that someday he'll listen is still there. I just don't like the idea of advocating someone to give up when they do draw as frequently as he does.

>>1524306
>>1524338
Doesn't matter if it's animu, studying is always going to help you improve. I really suggest gesture studies (watch the Proko videos!) They'll help you improve your line economy too!

>>1524321
Yes, and no. He's one of the better guys, but runs his mouth and causes more problems than he helps and generally pisses everyone off because he's childish as shit sometimes. That expression is suppose to be a "Jack Black" type of face and is based on a real life friend of mine.

And thanks. Hopefully I can get more feedback before I jump into doing all 19+ characters.

>>1524292
>Stylized necks don't always have to be thin.
in moe they do have to be rather thin. Otherwise it just doesn't work well. Especially when it's a young character like miku

Can someone red line this for me?

>>1524491
>girlarmbehindhead.png
>girl
Stop drawing the bodies as if they were realistic bodies. At least not when drawing animu.

Why is everyone trying to draw an animu head with a body that is obviously not attempting to be animu?
My guess is you people are trying to go for some kind of semirealistic style.
But unfortunately that is reserved for people that can do both animu and realism.
You can do neither, you can barely draw, so the result will always be a trainwreck.
>>/sticky/

>>1524500
>>1524500


problem is, he's not even drawing a realistic body properly. the body parts are all over the place and not balanced properly. even if you manage that it looks like a male body even in reality rather than a female's. you can draw realistic body with an animu face mind you.

i'll agree with you on the sticky part

Feet are probably too big, even for cartooning

>>1524562
I think the feet are too short.

>>1524562
the head is too big

>>1524595
>>1524592
anime proportions, i don't see a problem.
you guys are dumb.

>>1524562
Tits too high.

>>1523517
Ah it's just that sometimes Google Chrome will skip over some of the phrases in the posts (the links are more likely to go missing with Google Chrome's translate) so that's why I copy/paste individual phrases instead.

>>1524264
These are pretty great, please post more when you have it!

>>1524592
Actually, her legs from heel to groin are about the length of her body from groin to top-of-head, which is correct. And if you actually meant her feet, they are the length of her lover arms (-hands) which is also correct.

>>1524615
Indeed. Anime and cartooning figures are a little bit more exaggerated in terms of stylization. Fundamentals are still key of knows how body works and move though.

>>1524353
>girl in the upper left, such line control, flawless proportions, etc.
>see gestures, messy lines, what the fuck
i know gestures are meant to be quick and flawed, but that's night and day difference. i'll go on a limb and assume that you spent hours on that anime portrait, from reference.

>>1524631
I had a really really messy sketch without any reference before doing that though, and lined over it so obviously it's going to be much cleaner (and those aren't even final lines). I'm pretty anal while doing lineart.

The gesture studies are either clean (left) or really messy (right) depending on the time set for each reference: 30 seconds, 1 minute, 2 minutes.

Remember when starting gesture studies to not focus on the minor contours when you can't easily decipher flow yet! I had a really hard time doing that and frequently ran past the timer! Really listen to what Proko says in his videos and also in the descriptions on his site.

>>1524423
Moe is just another type of fetish art. Sexual or not. But you bring up a good point about age. Younger characters will have larger heads in comparison to their necks.

>>1524343
he's said that before dude. not like it matters, there's no vocaloid anime.

the real question is whether or not he listens to vocaloid music. if not, he should look up wintermute, as they're the best.

>>1524491
you're focusing too much on getting a perfect contour on the first go, keep things to a messy sketch level so that you can figure out the forms and proportions easily. then make a new layer and get the good lines going.

>>1524678
>Moe is just another type of fetish art. Sexual or not.
You're wrong!
It's like saying drawing chibis is fetish art. Sometimes it just seems that way because when you practice anatomy unclothed it'll look questionable. But the same thing would happen when you practice drawing realistic children. It just happens that the moe look is based on children.

But yeah, it's true about the necks. just look at some children and sometimes you'll be amazed at how thin they are in comparison.
One day i looked at those and realized
>Oh, so that's where that style comes from.
Everything from soft faces to weak bodies, weak necks, weak everything. those kind of styles are imitating children/young girls.

>>1524715
Proportions of a child, that's why we perceive them as cute.

>>1524715
fet·ish/ˈfetiSH/

Noun: 1.An inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit
2.A course of action to which one has an excessive and irrational commitment

Moe art falls under 2, and yes, chibi too. Sexuality having nothing to do with I beyond the base concept of committed attraction.
Because it is such a major focus, it is a fetish. It's obsessive, it's intentionally limiting, and it's overly abundant.

What am I doing wrong? Just started drawing/using a tablet and can't seem to get that Manga/Anime "look". I'd appreciate any feedback on the face, not even begun to tackle bodies yet!.

>>1524745
>An inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit

wat

>>1523963

>>1524069
Loomisticky!
No, seriously, why would you expect anything else than being ignored posting that?

>>1524750
>and can't seem to get that Manga/Anime "look"
Mabe that's because you can't fucking draw.
Like really, what did you expect?

>>1524712
Actually there is called Black Rock Shooter. Based on the song. Some otaku you are.

>>1524775
Don't be so harsh on them, Anon. Just point them to fun with a pencil so this person can learn a thing or two about construction.

>>1524750
What you want to do is: forget everything you think you know about drawing and have a fresh mind ready to learn. Right now you don't understand how basic forms work and are drawing what you think they look like--perception without understanding. Read the sticky. Of course if you're too lazy to learn and think it's a pain to understand fundamentals, you aren't going to get any better.

>>1524755

This is actually true. A fetish originally was an object which is given weird properties by superstitious people.

In some tribes (forgot the name), the father who's undergoing a journey will leave his staff at the front of his house. The staff is supposedly imbued with his "soul" and will keep the entrance safe and look over the wife and kids, like the father would have.

It's often said that at the beginning, all Art was hieratic, and used for whatever mystical properties our ancestors believed it to possess.

>>1524352
Geez i swear Mikufag took more shit from /ic/ than anyone else, and he's still saying thank you!

Mikufag, we love you, you're an example and an inspiration, being able to take so much shit, and to keep drawing and studying... I'm not even a fan of your drawings in any way, i just have huge respect for the spirit.

>>1524793
Mikufag is a meme now and will never die. Along with teal and troll chan.

Feedback please.

>Why is this thread here
>Why is the op image not made by anon
>Why is the so much rotting cancer in one thread
>morons lauding cancer

>Checks calendar
Stay summer /ic

>>1524750
OH GOD IT'S AN ALIEN SHOOT IT SHOOT IT IN THE LEG AND THE HEAD AND T-...oh it's just a drawing, phew.

>>1524781
fuck BRS, nerd

>>1524806
hot. one of the eyes on the person to the right could be a little bigger, the face looks a little lopsided right now.

>>1524806
also:
>feelio when eyes don't change color upon reaching orgasm

Every time I visit /ic/ I feel like I'm playing wow again.
>draw 100 bear asses, then return to me

>>1524852
it's uh... daily
or weekly/monthly/yearly quest (for some)

I've decided to start drawing furry in the name of monies. It's supposed to be a fox, how am I doing so far?

>>1524856
Move crotch closer to wrist.

>>1524856
Just remember: you're their bitch now.

>>1524860
But what if I become a furry myself?

>>1523396

I like it. Idk, throw color on until you get the idea.

>>1523404
I wish that guy would color it.

>>1524278

The problem with these is the expressions are so unnatural. Idk, I prefer to just pull up a random show/movie on youtube and pause now and then.

>>1524872
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAH

>>1524872
that is the same guy

>>1524872
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jRwcTOjOEs

>>1524856

At first glance the ass/tail/pelvis area looks really off (tail looks like its coming out of the side of her upper butt), and the arm looks too far back. Face is okay but something about that hair looks like she has an alien skull.

Also wouldn't doing it just for the monies (rather than passion for drawing) result in having a bad time at the hand of ridiculous requests? I heard that commission requests in that area are from some of the most autistic people with overly-specific fursonas. Also bitching endlessly about prices.

I shamefully like some of the furry artwork, but I cannot stand the community. Do you know of any place that isnt full retard?

>>1524903
no it ain't.

>>1524908
You win some you lose some when it comes to furry commissions. The key to handling ridiculous clients is to have an iron clad contract and terms of service. Most people fail this step and then end up in a limbo of death.

Also once again you need to pick your friends. The furry community has tons of different people from all walks of life. The only thing they have in common is that they like anthropomorphic animals. Just like /ic/ isn't one entity. Ignore/block the annoying ones, and network with the ones you like.

Anyway to get an idea of some of the problems face with furry are commissions (about both artists and commissioners) I recommend you read Artists Beware. People talk about their problems with various Furaffinity users. Get your popcorn ready.

http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/

>>1524788
Thank you, I've skim read all the sticky content now and I'm going to begin from square one again and build up to actually drawing something. Before I bought the tablet I'd only drawn once or twice and could only manage 1 eye but I never realised how much I needed to learn about proper form.

Cheers for not been a dick, I needed the push to start with fundamentals.

>>1523608
Don't scribble shading in. Crosshatch.

>>1524872
That actually brings up a good point.
Coloring something (meaning: shading and highlighting something) will make you more aware of form and make your drawings less flat. Sometimes i just use a marker to do this.
It also makes you more aware of your weaknesses once you realize you don't know how to shade certain parts. Because that means you don't understand the planes which further means that you don't understand what is going on with the object.
Of course for animu the whole procedure can be a more lax because some areas are a little bit abstract.

>>1524929
It isn't going to be easy and it definitely won't be quick, but push your brain to understand what those artists have to offer. You'll find drawing to be even more enjoyable after you've acquired the knowledge and techniques to draw what you want.

A general message to aspiring artists: Don't ever think that you should stop attempting to learn how to draw because "it takes too long" or "drawing is just a hobby." Being shitty at your hobby is definitely not better than doing your hobby well, no matter what your laziness tells you. Have some dedication in what you love to do, damn it!

Drawing something for a friend but something feels off about it.
Can I get a second opinion?

>>1524990
The crotch is too high. If you use the measurements of the head you have there, the first 3 landmarks line up more or less in the right place, but the 4th should have the crotch be lower. I'm assuming you use 8 heads, but even if it was less it's still generally the same area of the body.

The leg to the left (her right leg) maybe juts out too far for that angle? the angle it sticks out should also be lower, that protrusion is called the greater trochanter of the femur, search an image of the femur and you'll easily be able to see how the form follows that.

I think you made the scapula muscles (the muscles on the underarm) travel too far down the bicep. Their insertion point should be equal to, or less than the position of the deltoid's insertion.

Try just adjusting the lower body distance, she looks a little squished right now.

>>1524259
do take a life drawing class.

>>1524299
ol' johnny finally got some work, he wouldn't be bullshitting on /ic/

>>1523322
Homo

>>1524281
>>1524274
>>1524269

>Epic fail
>youre a meme
>-_-
>no one pointing this shit

/v/ here, someone recommended me this place in a drawthread but... no thanks.

You guys are fucking losers. And you all go apeshit autistic about the most retarded shit, like this faggot

See ya.

>>1525024
B-but /ic/ speaks truth when it comes to matters like this, if it weren't for that Anon letting me have it I would of never gotten this far.

But I guess if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

>>1525024
oh shit, /v/ called us losers

better go get the kool-aid ready :(

>>1525028
it was precisely this kind of lame attitude that he was complaining about.

don't act like this place is some kind of rugged boot camp if you can't back that statement up. most of the people on /ic/ are beginners and underaged, simple as that.

>>1525046
But you have to admit if you can't take critique well and be all defensive then you'll have a hard time being here.

Or maybe it's just that I am slowly turning into a d/ic/k :3

>>1525024
Is there a reason you need to mention you're from /v/? You should be here anyways with the amount of western style shit that board produces, stay gone.

Can someone explain to me how things like those are made? Do those artist actually model a 3d mannequin, cel-shade it and then somehow animate it? What's the reason for releasing those animations as low-resolution sfw or gif files? Wouldn't it look much better as a HD mkv encode?

>>1525024
Judgin /ic/ based on animu/mango general is like judging /b/ on its MLP generals or /v/ on its shitposters (entire community). lurk moar faggot

>>1525055
I believe these are all animated and rendered with custom models and sets, in high end 3D softwares course. As for releasing as gifs - the reason is simple; it's small and compatible without any additional codecs.

>>1525055
It's easy; All you need is ammonia, bleach, a straw and a dead fish.

HA. Get it?

Also there probably are resources for this stuff in the sticky.

>>1525055
>>/3/
they're slow but might answer,

>>1525064
Fuck, I had no idea that board existed. Thanks.

>>1525049
any idiot can tell you were shit is bad. that's not a redeeming quality of the board.

>>1525076
I think people are being particularly harsh to that person because they've basically just posted the same stuff over and over and have clearly shown they're not applying any of the previous critique they've received.

Though a lot of the critique here does usually come down to "it's bad" but not "it's bad because of this, here are some solutions" Giving good critique isn't easy, because not everyone has good communication skills.

>>1524908
Welp, I'm too lazy to fix the arm. I just submitted it and I got 1 watch, 1 fave and 9 views. I-is that good?

>>1525080
>I just submitted it and I got 1 watch, 1 fave and 9 views. I-is that good?

Why are you even asking us this? Please don't respond.

>>1525091
Because everybody knows d/ic/ks are professional furry artists or rather, professionals at milking money from furries.

>>1525080
Better drawmore for cashcows.

preliminary sketch and colors...i think i'm gonna ink this but idk yet, i will try

>>1525080

It's easy to get popular on devart. And especially when you're a furry artist, you're appealing to a niche market of furries. You shouldn't measure your success by the number of preteens and autistic men who will literally suck donkey cock in order to get pencil scraps of doodles of their favorite animals fucking. Their standard of art is very low because there aren't many good furry artists.

>>1525080

>Welp, I'm too lazy to fix the arm.

...But not too lazy to do full color? Don't use that as an excuse. That attitude will hinder your progress.

>I just submitted it and I got 1 watch, 1 fave and 9 views. I-is that good?

What. How is this even relevant?

>>1525101
i don't know how your inking is but i think it's plenty cute as is. might want to have another go at the toes though.

>>1525112

yeah i agree, the toes are weird. when i was doodling i wanted her to have kinda cat-like toes but i decided that halfway through giving her human feet so it's fucked

>>1524872
i can't do color as i am a dog.

the most i do is lazy grayscale stuff. maybe one day technology will save me, but not today.

how do you find JAW-Z ?

pffft~

I'm stuck /ic/. Pretty new to drawing on tablet and I have no idea how to colour or finish this thing. Please help.

I'm stuck /ic/. Pretty new to drawing on tablet and I have no idea how to colour or finish this thing. Please help.

>>1525199
then don't, scrap dat turd and work on something else.

>>1525152
I apologize in advance for intruding on your figure but I got curious on how you went about drawing it and I tried to put two and two together. I hope I got the idea right.

>>1525203
oh golly i don't do anything that advanced, though it'd probably save me some time in the long run.

it's usually just a circle with a line down the center of the face, two lines for the chin, then try to draw the eyes so that they're level or make sense.

without a lot of guidelines things end up looking skewed at some point though so it takes some fiddling to get it looking alright.

>>1525101

i'm not very good with my tablet
but i messed with it a bit and now she's nekkid

>>1525225
Mouth is too low and the neck is pretty fucked. I know you hear loomis a lot, but fun with a pencil can reeeeally help you. the head portion can take a day.

>>1525239
that's what i'm saying, i'm almost always messing with the placement of the facial features till the very end, but the results are usually pleasing to me so i don't seek out change.

>mfw I reach this page and read the text to realize I've been using blue which represents professor blook.

Andrew Loomis you lovable bastard, I love this guy!

>>1525203
mikufag?

>>1525230
>>1525101

welp now i just wanna draw sexy girls

my biggest problem with animu/mango is that i typically draw in a western style my default and switching out the symbol set to animu/mango is really difficult for me, so my anime stuff never really looks "pure"...anyone else have this problem?

>>1525203
Hi hi, will finish up fun with a pencil tomorrow

>>1525260

gonna suggest you flip your work horizontally periodically so you can check the balance of your features because they're pretty wonky

>>1524806

it's funny that pictures like this imply conception happens the moment of ejaculation but really it can take up to six days

~*the more you know*~

>>1525283
That's really cute so far! I suggest you fix up the facial features' distances from each other (brought the mouth and nose down for you). Fixed the boobies and made the pose a little less awkward by bringing the arm in. I think you still have a ways to go with the contours on your torso though. Keep up anatomy studies, so you can draw duh sexeh ladies!

You just need some time to adapt to a lot of anime/mango features. I suggest you browse through pixiv and find some artists that you can look up to!

>>1525316

thanks! the torso looks much better the way you drew it, but the mouth brought down that low looks kinda strange to me (i like that mango style where the mouths are closer to the nose, it looks cuter imo, so i want to emulate that) but yeah whoa her stomach looks much better, much appreciation

I really like 0033's drawings. I wonder, if he doing any construction or just going contours from start.

>>1524491

shitty redline

Is there any guide for drawing clothes on my animu grilz

>>1525361
The same way you'd draw clothes on any other grill. Do a lot of drapery studies

>>1525360

you're right, that is shitty. if you know it's shitty why did you post it? the purpose of a redline is to teach the original artist how to draw their thing better, not demonstrate how inept you are yourself.

>>1525346
He does contours from start because he a lot of poses are on his head.

If you can do that, then go to construction

>>1525368
*cant
sorry

>>1524856

shitty

>>1525368
Yes, I can't do that yet. But I assume picrelated is one of the main ideas there.

>>1525365
While the quality is bad, it fulfills its purpose fine. You can clearly see where the original image went wrong.

/ic/, I need help drawing the second hand.

>>1525387

yeah because ears clearly are that shape and sit that highly on the neck, boobs are naturally cleavage'd, and that little torso would clearly be visible.

>>1525398

>dose vaginal lips

>>1525153

AWW come on nobody likes fuckin' JAW-Z or what ?

>>1525398
oh lel, you need help drawing the entire body

>>1524750
You aren't using 3d forms

May I suggest READING THE FUCKING STICKY

>>1525409
ok what am i reallly looking at?
Labia dont get that long on white chicks, the clitorial hood is too weird shaped for the front if not I should be able to see a butthole where there is none and the fleshy masses arnt set up right for a butt.

seriously, i need answers anon

>>1525434
Are you posting just to get attention? We really don't care what you like.

>>1525316
>>1525283

well i went ahead with that correction but now idk what to do with her

>>1525538

also inb4 hand-hiding level off the charts
i couldn't avoid it
polite sage for irrelevance

>>1523231
I posted the sketch two threads ago, thanks for the fixes on my figures.

drawing something for fun before i start reading all this loomis i downloaded. pls tell if there's anything i should fix.

>>1525508
>>1525508
>>1525508

New Thread.

>>1525492
>>1525492

learn art