/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1517156
so i just finished perspective made easy and im gonna start with Vilppu, where shoul i start with villpu?

>>1517165
I wish I had saved the link to Vilppu's videos because I love the way he instructs you from his videos but start with gesture and the ability to analyze a figure from his methods.

>>1517167
thanks and i could give you the videos tho i dont know how

>>1517170
I have the videos I just forgot the link on where to get them.

>>1517172
oh ok btw should i start with the manual first?

cancer containment field etc etc. Try not to derail this time.

>>1517185
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNzIKoAy2pk

>>1517165

Do not start off with his anatomy lectures. Watch the video series that compliments the drawing manual.

Mikufag this OP sucks ass

goddammit I wish I had something besides a chromebook so I could do this shit myself

>>1517243
thanks! thats what im doing

>>1517246
>implying mikufag is able to draw that

>>1517249
Mikufag is better than that, he wouldn't have fucked up the hand like that!
Leave Mikufag alooone!!

>>1517258
Mikufag draws the same thing over and over. This is alot better than what he/she could do. Hands don't come easy either so I don't think you or Mikufag could do any better.

>>1517258
>fucked up the hand
pardon?

Do you know any place where I can learn to draw like Toriyama? I really like Osamu Tezuka as well. I'm a very big fan of their drawing, they mix cartoonish and anime elements perfectly together. It's way different than everything I've ever seen before and most tutorial only show the "modern" way

>>1517312
You came to the wrong place buddy

>>1517312
I dont think there's any place dedicated to Toriyama tuts so I recommend scrounging around in pixiv and gelbooru for Toriyama styled drawings and practice that style by looking then drawing

hell, you might even get a tutorial or two on said style in pixiv

>>1517319
How's that?

>>1517312
Keep his work around you all the time, copy his characters etc.

if you want to draw like toriyama you'll have to think like the toriyama.

>>1517389
>if you want to draw like toriyama you'll have to think like the toriyama.
Doesn't that mean you should find out who toriyama was copying and copy them instead

>>1517384
You'll find out soon enough.

moeficating

>>1517400
What the hell is happening with the girl on the right's head?

>>1517400
Bro you're supposed to make them look more attractive, you made her look like a GMO potato

Couldn't figure out the perspective for the mane. Does it require 4 Point Perspective to draw it correctly?

>>1517246
>>1517249

I meant the text content

ALONG with your usual Vilppu, Loomis, Hampton, etc. studies, check out these other resources:

www.proko.com/videos/
http://ctrlpaint.com/

Hitokaku Index: /www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
0033's stuff: www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
List of active livestreams:
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/

Tutorial/Reference Collection: http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
Figures: http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

Remember, this thread is only a place to execute muh styles and to draw animu/cartoons for fun. This should be supplementary to your art studies. Make sure you're drawing real figures and practicing anatomy/proportions, gestures, and lighting because that knowledge is what will make all your art better.

The drawthread and sketchthread have to mountains of resources you could scan through. Don't get in obsessed in looking for "the perfect method of learning" and remember to just draw. Also, don't get stuck in learning with one artist as well - make everyone your teacher.

>>1517482
pedo

>>1517482

Your post can be shortened by just saying "read the sticky" because that's all in the sticky.

>>1517483

hebephile

>>1517482
Thanks, I will add this onto the OP for the next thread.

>>1517486

It's in the sticky...

>>1517487
You'd be surprised how many people don't read the sticky because they prefer to have it upfront instead of moving that mouse all the way to the top and having to exercise their finger by pressing down onto the mouse and then wait for the page to load and have to search through the page(s) and that means you have to have to move your eyes until you find what you're looking for.

>>1517489
You'd be surprised how many people won't post this thread somewhere else like /a/ because they prefer to have it upfront instead of moving that mouse all the way to the top and having to exercise their finger by pressing down onto the mouse and then wait for the page to load and have to search through the page(s) and that means you have to have to move your eyes until you find the animu/mango thread you're looking for.

>>1517494
/a/ doesn't give critique.

>>1517498
They'll make an exception for your kind

>>1517494

>>1517500
you couldn't find anything the least bit animu?

>>1517498
/ic/ doesn't give critique either.

>>1517505

>>1517519
cliche' *ahem* I mean touche'

>>1517487
Yeah, but this could reduce the amount of whiners who complain when all the critique we give them is "read the sticky" because for some reason no one likes to listen.

>>1517521
What, and you think posting another link will make them?

>>1517523
The a/m thread attracts a lot of really bad artists who think they're so special that the sticky doesn't apply to them. Usually they're overwhelmed by the information (which really isn't that much) so hopefully emphasizing videos like Proko's and ctrl+paint, as well as giving them examples from anime-like sources (hitokaku, 0033) they'll be more encouraged to get their shit together instead of posting stuff that a middle schooler could have drawn.

>>1517527
>The a/m thread attracts a lot of really bad artists who think they're so special that the sticky doesn't apply to them.

But they're right, it doesn't apply to them. Their level of "bad" requires a new assessment.

And posting a link is somehow suppose to change them and their ways? Do you always jump to conclusions so half-ass like?

What do you guys think of this rough sketch I did?

>>1517545
Fuck didn't mean to put it sideways...

>>1517312
That's dope. In the process of drawing Dragon Ball and DBZ characters.

>>1517545
read the sticky
>>1517547
ans stop samefagging

>>1517548
Wasn't samefagging. Made that comment about another picture

>>1517551
read the sticky

>>1517545
Copied/10
If you want to get good you'll have to draw from imagination.

>>1517545
The hairline is too low
Goku has larger hairs too

>>1517536
>Do you always jump to conclusions so half-ass like?
Hey man, I was just in the middle of drawing and stopped by this thread. Someone wanted a better OP and I dumped some links I had bookmarked. I'm not trying to save the world from bad art and sit down to try to think of a solution. If it helps, then it does, if it doesn't, then who gives a fuck.

I liked this gesture in pixellovely so I wanted to try expanding on it.

I need to study how fabric actually works but I'm not ready for that yet I don't think.

>>1517577
Legs are too short. Study how the arm connects to the torso. Study how the breast works.
And work on your chicken scratch, Im telling you, I used to do that too, you need more condifence on yourself.

>>1517577
Managed to find the reference.

>>1517589
What is the best way to eliminate chicken scratch?

>>1517592
Not that anon, but I've found that practicing drawing traditionally using a pen helps a lot when working on line confidence. Put your lines down while thinking of the form you want to describe with them, give them meaning and mean it.

>>1517592
Before you start a session of drawing, have a warm-up session. This is a little be too scheduled for my taste, but maybe it's what you need.

1. Draw a line, 2 inches long, as straight as you can with a ruler
2. Go over said line 8 times, try not to make the line any thicker
3. Repeat 10 times

Now do that with longer lines, waves, circles, curves, zig-zags, etc until you fill up a page/canvas.

>>1517577
You should really watch this:
http://www.newmastersacademy.org/exploring-gesture-and-structure-01/

Sign up for the 7 day trial, go nuts, learn to do it right.

>>1517631
>credit cards

Yeah. No.

>>1517631
any less sketchy similar videos? preferably one that doesn't require giving personal info?

>>1517659
Sycra / Draw with Jazza ?

>>1517659
Sketchy? Vilppu, Huston, Weatherly....you do realize these are some of the biggest names around, right? Nothing sketchy about their site, just fucking sign up. I did, and I'm not even doing the free trial. I'm happy to pay the 19 each month.

>>1517592
If you still doesn't understand how the whole body works, using a reference and stylize it and finally making it animu, makes you lost the sense of depth on the original reference.
See how on the reference the head and the upper torso is a little tilted to the back? You lost it when you stylized it.
I would recommend you to keep doing gestures and try understanding the body. But dont stop drawin what you like, anon.

>>1517592
being this >>1517589 anon, what worked to me was drawing on traditional with a ballpoint pen. And actually thinking before drawing a line, after some time you will find yourself doing it naturally.

>>1517659
How the hell is that sketchy? Shit's legit. Fairly new, but I doubt those artists would hang around there and make videos for the site if it wasn't.

>>1517675
I have in innate distrust at "free trials" that require a credit card up front.

I wish I could color... And that I knew how lighting worked.

Anyways, enough of this for today, time for some studies and shit.

Also, I noticed her ponytail is like a broom stick. Maximum moe.

>>1517631
Spam

I realised today after looking through my portfolio that like 90% of my pieces are really boring frontal views of subject. so today I tried doing one from an angle above someone. (I don't know if the anatomy is really working out and I'm not sure what to do with the background. but at least it's an effort.)

>>1517696
read the sticky

>>1517689
It's not spam, dumbshit. If you weren't new, you'd know that /ic/ found it a while back.

Suggesting a video to someone isn't the same as advertising for shit. I don't care if they find it somewhere and pirate it. But they need to watch it.

>>1517679
Most places do that now. By the way, if they were sketchy, they probably wouldn't have allowed for me to unsubscribe from their service.

>>1517697
i think we can assume that everyone here has read the sticky and now is looking for actual observational input.

>>1517701
Can you unsubscribe and still use the 7 days?

>>1517702
...and after "observing" our "input" is that you should read the sticky again

>>1517701
telling us to go buy something or "sign up" is spamming dumbcunt

>>1517707
can you use specifics or is that amount of exertion simply beyond your capabilities?

>>1517703
Yes. That's what I did.

>>1517708
Only to notify them that the video they are being linked to isn't immediately accessible.
It's spamming when the intention is to get someone to buy something. As I said, I don't give a shit where they obtain the videos.

You seem to have trouble paying attention long enough to read a comment. Maybe you should move to one of the faster, more ADD-friendly boards, like /b/.

>>1517707

So in a feedback and critique thread all we can get is "read the sticky?". So is this place as useful as /3/'s "It's shit" advice?

>>1517720
>So in a feedback and critique thread all we can get is "read the sticky?". So is this place as useful as /3/'s "It's shit" advice?
Yes.

Is this your first time here or something?

>>1517720
Only when you're constantly feeding a troll.

>>1517720
Only shitposters do that. They have no idea what to critique but want to sound knowledgeable/troll folks, so they just redirect posts to the most basic resource there is available in the assumption that whatever there is to fix will be in there.

>>1517714
How specific do you need?

"Read the /ic/ Sticky"

>>1517718
How much do you make referring people to that site?

>>1517723
This is bait

Considering it done.

>>1517732
So is the rest of the shit in this thread.

>>1517740
it's shit.
read the sticky.

oh wait you actually wanted critique?
fuck you, haha.

>>1517748
Chill out, brah. 'S all cool. Mellow out.
I've read the sticky, I do my studies. I did this for recreation.

>>1517748
Calm your tits, newfag.

>>1517740
I like the way you paint. Glad you got rid of the floating stuff that was there before. Although, his head looks awful round. I guess watch out for that next time, unless you were going for something more akin to animal crossing.

>>1517751
I wasn't particularly going for an animal crossing look, but I guess it osmosis'd it's way in because I've been playing a lot of New Leaf lately. Thank you.

I hope someone is drawing something at least.

>>1517748
Go grown up somewhere else.

>>1517740
Not Animu enough, needs mor loli or futa

You're ruining this thread with your garbage.

>>1517752
but the sticky contains all the answers anyone could possibly need so what's the point in giving advice beyond that? you're clearly the newfag if you don't know ~that~. smells like summer around here.

>>1517757
Haha, that would explain it. I've been wanting to play that but I don't have a 3DS.

I hear there's a pretty creepy town at some point.

>>1517763
If troll, 0/10

If sarcasm, 10/10

>>1517767
if bait, 0/10
if shitpost, 10/0

>>1517424

>4 point perspective for hair

>>1517688
wow, amazing

>>1517740
I like it mang, i'm digging the coloring so much.

>>1517824
>falling this hard

posting

>>1517868
The hand sucks but it's a pretty cool drawing
You're a furry faggot too.

>>1517868
dat penis thumb

Proko's "bean" seems to pump a bit more health into pose practice. Rather like the idea.

Finished thing of that piece I posted earlier.
Took a few of your guys help and suggestions and made alterations, some I just didn't think I'd have the time to re-do properly at this rate, and will keep in mind to watch out for next time while drawing, before it's too late.

Ugh, I need to learn to work year long instead of trying to rush one/two day's work prints right before a convention.

Finished thing of that piece I posted earlier.
Took a few of your guys help and suggestions and made alterations, some I just didn't think I'd have the time to re-do properly at this rate, and will keep in mind to watch out for next time while drawing, before it's too late.

>>1517940
Looks good, but needs to be paler.

>>1517895

It's a modified Vilpuu "beanism".

Your cross-contours are horrendous, by the way. I don't say that to offend.

A few pointers

1. Study perspective. You still aren't fully thinking in form. Perspective, while not meticulously used in figure construction, will help you better understand how to think 3-dimensionally, which will in turn help you understand what a cross-contour actually is (a perspective shorthand)

2. Once you solidify your understanding of form, draw your cross-contours COMPLETELY around the form. This will help you see the volume. You can always erase these lines later, especially if you draw digitally. Note: you don't have to overdo your cross-contours. Just a few will suffice.

3. The line of action and the spine are not always one in the same. Proko's gesture videos as well as the Hampton lectures (yes, they exist, I may seed them tomorrow) to understand gesture and when it is appropriate to include the spine in your line of action. Think more of the movement instead of actual body parts.

I'm not one to draw up anything at the moment, but here's an image from an anon a while back that sums up what I said about 1 and 2. Notice how in the second sphere, anon draws entirely around the sphere instead of just using dinky crosses. He has a clear understanding of perspective and it helps him establish forms, even spheres which have no edges which are ideal in perspective.

fixed it up a

>>1517945
I disagree.

>>1518006
>newfag can't into critique

Seriously get the fuckout. If you people can't take a critique stop posting.

>that one guy who's so mad he tries to le epic troll everyone
It's just kinda sad though

>>1518007
wow, talk about buttmad. learn to take a critique yourself.

>>1518009
>that pedo who's so angst he tries to whiteknight for other pedos

>>1518015

that word is so overused in these threads it's more of a buzzword now for anyone who can't think of an insult to use

>>1518007
wow, mad much?

i am not the person who drew that thing, i simply disagree.
if anything on that picture needs fixing it's eye placement and some anatomy around her hip area.
the skin color is fine.

and you must be a pretty sad person to blow up over someone disagreeing with your fucking opinion.

>muh feelings

hilarious.

>>1518019
>trying to shrug it off

The dog whistling in here never stops

>>1518025

well yes. what, you want me to feel offended and cry about it? i have better things to do like drawing.

>>1518022
These thread aren't your little spotlight. Do what anons tell you or get the fuck out. If you want to improve do what we tell you. If you want to post your shit tier art and say "HAUR LOOKS MEH GUIZ" then go somewhere else

>>1518028
Drawing CP?

>>1518030

oddly enough, i have never drawn porn before. weird...

>>1518029
which part of "i am not the person who drew that animu girl" do you not understand?

are you mentally challenged? because you sure do seem to be.

>Animu/Mango/Biting Bait General

>>1518032
Which part of "get the fuck out" do you not understand?

Are you autistic? Because you sure can't take a hint.

>>1518031
I'm not interested, if that's what you're asking. Whistle somebody else

>>1518041
you poor fuck don't even know what that word means, do you?

it's okay. i'd be mad too if i was as retarded as you clearly seem to be.

>>1518048
You poor little fuck. You're so butthurt you can't even post a coherent sentence--let alone understand what people are doing to you. That's okay. Living with autism can be tough, and it can make things difficult to understand as well.

Stop responding already

>>1518052
>lelele look at me guys i'm a troll! ahahahah trolling xDDDDD top kek i am so cool ahhaaha

>>1518056
>>LLELELLE LOOK ME GIUZ I"M TROWELING A TROLL META KEK I AM SO KEWLLL LULS HAHOAHAA

>>1518044
i do not understand what you mean by whistle

>>1518060
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

>>1518059
at least you admit you are a stupid troll and no one to be taken seriously.

good bye, kiddo.

>>1518062


wait, by that definition aren't you the one whistling?

>>1518065
Just cause I know what your really soliciting doesn't mean I'm the one soliciting.

I really do believe it's the same person who was being an idiot before, so just stop replying

>>1518068

I.... what?

And here I thought I'd get motivated to draw. Thanks /ic/

>>1518072
read the sticky

>>1518073
I said motivated, I already read the sticky

>>1518074
this just goes to show how stupid everyone here is, anon.

they lack reading comprehension but make up for it by going from zero to mad in 0.1 seconds.

>>1518072
>thinking 4chan anything will help you with motivation anything

>>1517156
hi

>>1518080

oh man dis is a really gud thread guis like woah all beutiful drawings so good clap

>>1517940
Still not a lot of definition in the knees even with the coloring. The rendering of the legs just don't match up with the rest of the body and head which I really liked in the line art.

But it's done! Good Job! Move On!

>>1518080
Nice drawing, what you think of mine?
made with paint (ms ! because i have microsoft)

>>1518092
>Still not a lot of definition in the knees
Redline please

>>1518095
Needs more Loomis. Read the sticky, faggot.

>>1518089
no one wants to post in this thread. i guess people angry at anime for some reason or another, finally got the upper hand.

>>1518106
Maybe if people here had a little bit of self control they wouldn't take the bait but no they don't just take the bait they make a grand feast out of it with the others.

To the whistlefag.
dont you have any better things to do than trolling like a kid, you know, like drawing ?

WHY IS ANIME / MANGA HAIR SO HARD TO DRAW!!!!

>>1518111
I'm not going to draw you CP. Stop asking

>>1518122

it's pretty easy though

it's just about flow.

i should have a tut from an /a/ drawfag about hair stored somewhere in this HDD. You want it? though i may not be able to find it

>>1518122
It really isn't.

James Gurney Ribbon Method, plus Structure = any hair, real or anime

>>1518129
0/10

>>1518132
That would be great if you can find it. It's really the only thing I have trouble with.

>>1518134
James Gurney huh...is this why new-to-drawingfags should read the stickies and resources posted in this thread?

>>1518138
>is this why new-to-drawingfags should read the stickies and resources posted in this thread?
Yep.

>>1518106
aw come on. it's not over yet.
people are just shy.

>>1518145
If everyone would just post and ignore the bait, it would be a much more successful thread.

>>1518146
this is bait

>>1518106
Why is no one posting non-anime cartoon then?

>>1518147
Stop spouting maymays and get to work.

>>1518148

>>1518138

after going through hundreds of (unused) tutorials later....

>>1517872

Thanks, yeah need to work on hands. Have more but probably not very good.

>>1518151

thanks for the laugh

>>1518149
Here

Actually, if you guys don't mind I have a quite a few pieces that could use some critque, especially in regard to art-direction/concept.

>>1518151
MY SIDES!!!

Starting to get a little more comfortable drawing digitally these days.

>>1518152
Saved.

Thanks for that

>>1518166
>>1518166

glad to help

>>1518092
Yeah, I didn't get to spend as much time on the coloring as I wish I would have. I'm trying to pump out quantity over quality right now, before a convention, but that's also why I'm coming here a lot to try and fix obvious things quickly.

>>1518096
See >>1517123

I love this painting. working on an animu version

>>1518190

sup kyle

>>1517940
here's a red line I did real quick for you.
>>1518191
not much, right about to go to bed. (at 10am)

>>1518222
It is called lotus foot. It only look good when wearing a she, quite a nightmare to look ate.

>>1518162
I think I should learn how the line art layers in sai work before I try using them.

I haven't sat down and sketched in months and then all of a sudden this past week I'm just itchin to draw hot chicks everywhere so here is a huge sketchdump from the past few days.

u__u I dont even like anime what am i doing here why am i drawing this why am i even posting it

>>1518222
Wasn't me that asked for the redline, but thank you!

>>1518253
Dont use them, just simply dont. You are learning to draw so just use the pen in order to gain line confidence. Use them if you want to draw a sword or some shit like that.

those layers arent helping you at all, your line looks boring and just plain. Work on that.

>>1518256

I like most of the stuff here even if I'm getting serious tumblr-vibes.

>u__u I dont even like anime what am i doing here why am i drawing this why am i even posting it

Okay, now you just sound like an annoying compliment-fishing dramaqueen.

>>1518264
I used to post here a lot when I was in highschool, I graduated art college a few months ago and decided to check out /ic/ again. def. not a dramaqueen, just wondering if the board is the same as it was 5 years ago (it is). That comment is mostly about me feeling weird coming back to /ic/ after so much and so many years.

>>1518256

>pimple joints
ah put it away, put it away

>>1518270
Once you go on /ic/ or on 4chan for that instance you can never leave this place.

Never.

>>1518095
its actually quite good, ill redline it later cause i have no time procrastinating. i see potential

>>1518278
hahahaha damnit I didn't think they looked like that before, but now it really does look like pimples. :(

>>1518293
It's actually quite true...

>>1518095

>ms

No you didn't. You made it in Photoshop CS6

Oh god

How the fuck do people colour

This is turning out hideous

>>1518389
Give it a (sloppy) background first.

>>1518389
>>1518394
Also: The boots.

>>1518389
In my humble opinion you are failing to mix hard and soft shadows, that part in the ankles where you used hard shadows looks good, but in most of the rest of the body the brush you used looks bad with that shading style and only 2 values.

>>1518403
Yeah, I'm still in the middle of it... I originally went with just cel shading but it turned out looking even worse so I tried to use soft shadows.

I think I'm just going to have to revert back to this...

>>1518256
bretty gud

>>1518414
IMHO I think this looks much better. It hides your anatomical mistakes better. With the color version, the weird legs and hands stuck out but with just the lineart, it feels more cartoony and acceptable.

blame the pedophobes for the black boxes, I'm really trying to improve though..

>>1518422
You got to be fucking kidding, post w/o the black blocks.

>>1518428
4chan gold accounts only

>>1518422
is this that one with the OLE!

lold so hard at that one

>>1518428
There are still too many narrow minded but...fine

>>1518431
yes...yes it was. you made me remove it... I felt ashamed...and how

Is it over, /ic/, are these threads over?

>>1518442
What made you assume that?

>>1518433
Thanks. Her right upper arm is way too thin, especially where it connects to the shoulder. Legs seem too curved, undefined and long. Feet and hands have to be bigger. I'm not sure if her slit would be visible at all in this pose.
Do you know of other places to get crit for loli-drawings?

>>1518433

>>1518445
thank you as well!
no I don't, not any good crit anyway, just forums where they just praise everything feels like being in special ed.

>>1518389
take it in steps, in no particular order: hue separation, saturation separation, light and dark separation, refining.
here is a messy recolor to serve as example.

nother loli

>>1518469
>>1518459
What do you think of >>1518267?

>>1518461
Ohhh my god how did you do that?!

I am trying to take it in steps though... It just isn't working out. I've been trying all day.

>>1518469
This is weird dude. It's not even anime, no stylization or allowing for imagination it's just awkward and kind of sickening. I figured the appeal to loli was more about the innocence and the acting young, but not actually BEING young. Yeah I know, the anime loli tend to be pretty young but it's stylized enough to make a distinction from an actual child. This is awkward/uncomfortable territory and wreaks of the artist having a couple of mental issues. Not saying you CAN'T draw this stuff or even shouldn't but it's just... I dunno. Am I alone on this?

>>1518476
I'm not the poster who did the colouring.

Pay attention to the subtle changes in hue and variations in hard/soft blending.

For example, the robe's base colour is a cold purple/grey, with very soft warm colours mixed in. Use a large soft brush and dab a brownish red or orange. Do plenty of colour picking and don't stick to the shades you began with. It's also nice to adjust the hue of your shade for more vibrance.

Another example, notice the robe casts a hard shadow on the leg. However, the values of the legs themselves are blended softly.

Just some basic stuff about values and colour harmony. I hope it helped.

>>1518479
Everybody who paints stuff you don't like has mental issues.

>I figured the appeal to loli was more about the innocence and the acting young, but not actually BEING young. Yeah I know, the anime loli tend to be pretty young but it's stylized enough to make a distinction from an actual child.
Yeah well, no. Loli is preteen girls.

>>1518479
I'm the OP,
No you are obviously not alone in this, about 99/100 men are with you the other is a pedofile but just like homophillia, it's not a mental issue its an orientation you are born with (its been removed from the manual of mental sicknesses this year, the same manual homophillia was in). I somewhat understand your discomfort, I dont feel comfortable looking at two men kissing but to think it's dangerous, to be scared of it is wrong. A sane person never wants to go against the will of their sexual partner. The pedosexuals you hear on the news are 9/10 times people with personality disorders, NOT pedofiles. Now please keep it related to drawings regardless of subject matter. Cartoon lines and anime, it doesn't make much difference to me.

>>1518482
When did I say that? It's not like everybody who creates things I dislike automatically have mental issues. I believe you're missing the point.

While loli is pre-teen girls, they're not real. The stylization helps to make this distinction. It's the same kind of distortion used to make talking rabbits and aliens. That's not how it is in reality. What he's doing is just kind of... mirroring reality.
>>1518484
>Comparing two grown men kissing to a grown adult who is sexually interested in children whom are legally unable to make their own decisions and really aren't mature enough to handle the stress/responsibility of adult situations
I'm not disagreeing it cannot be helped, but that doesn't make it good. Murderers can't help their urges either.

That's all I have to say on it though. It is off-topic so I won't continue it any longer.

>>1518491
"murderers can't help their urges either" that's why people who actually do it are INSANE, but normal people dont even though we might have hated someone so much we think of murdering them. That's the difference, having control over your urges. Shit, I'd say I have MORE control over my feelings than most because I deal with them everyday, and you know what, it's not even hard anymore...and drawing helps. I'm really not trying to get the last word here just dont go bringing a loli moral topic up without expecting discussion.

>>1518498
Huh? I was hoping for a discussion. I'm not saying to not draw what you want, I was just saying it's kinda weird subject matter. Anime loli's one thing but you're going for realism. But yeah if it helps you then go ahead.

>>1518499
Alright, I got 'cha

>>1518491
>I'm not disagreeing it cannot be helped, but that doesn't make it good. Murderers can't help their urges either.
>comparing someone who simply has thoughts and urges to someone who has committed an actual physical crime.

>>1518505
>implying all actions don't start out as thoughts first

>>1518507
>implying all thoughts end up as actions

>>1518507
>So thinking about killing someone should be made illegal

>>1518508
In order for B (the action) to happen it is required for A (the thought) to happen. In order to get to B, there must be A but A can happen and not move onto B.
>>1518509
Alright alright, fine. Correction: Murderers can't help their thought urges, but they can help their actions. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be getting help. I'm not trying to say we need thought police.

>>1517156
It's like people want to derail this thread just because the mods don't actually mod these threads.
Why can't they just go to /b/ and have their 9 year old fun there?

>>1518512
>So everyone who has ever been involved in creation or consumption of media that involves murder should go see a psychiatrist to prevent themselves from becoming murderers.

>>1518514
Cause someone is mad that people are drawing anime on /ic/ and trying to push them to /a/, but what he doesn't seem to get is that you can't get crits on /a/.

>>1518518
Wanna get the thread back on track or somethin'? I mean, it's worth a shot.

>>1518514
Thanks for bumping the thread for nothing.

Truly appreciated.

>>1518520
oops sorry, forgot to sage

>>1518516
Okay okay jesus christ, that doesn't mean SOME people with those kinds of thoughts shouldn't be getting help. If it's becoming enough of an issue to intrude on daily life and the individual is worried he or she could soon act on their thoughts, they might want to consider a psychiatrist. Is that good enough?

>>1518512
I've worked at an institute for the criminally insane, there is no help, if they are insane they will have no control over their urges. The vast majority of pedos are sane and never have sex with children but their difficulties are more towards harming themselves because of depression. There is even a helpline for pedos struggling with their urges (for whatever reason) but only in a few countries in europe. hopefully it will be in the US as well. I think that sort of helpline will prevent child abuse as pedos can accept who they are before starting to adjust their behavior

>>1518522
Yeah, great

>>1518518
>>1518519
I wish.

>>1518481
Thank you. I'm trying to implement this kind of stuff. Unfortunately, I'm still just on black and white value studies and it's really obvious I don't know much colour theory yet.

Trying again...

>>1518523
Well not all people who have urges to kill are incurable. They can probably be treated, just like pedophiles, before the urges become dangerous to society. Also as for the haters saying this is being de-railed, in all fairness this is apart of what art is about anyway. The discussion of why it was drawn, what it means, what it means for the artist, what it reflects about our culture/ethics/ourselves/etc.

>>1518526
http://howtointodrawing.imgur.com/
There's a small section on the color theory there

>>1518527
Take it somewhere else, then. No one would just let this get away if this was in the draw thread.

>>1518518
>Cause someone

Nope. It's more than one. Trust me.

>is mad that people are drawing anime on /ic/

More like most of /ic/ is mad Pedos are bringing their shit from /a/ and /v/.

>but what he doesn't seem to get is that you can't get crits on /a/.

Yes they do give critiques. If it's anime, somebody will have something to say. There is never a drought of /a/ssholes with an opinion.

>>1518534
The anime thread was created so weebs wouldn't fuck up the drawthread, dude.
If there's no anime thread, all of these people will fuck up the rest of the board.

>>1518532
Well the subject matter posted and the way it was conveyed isn't exactly of the norm, even on here. I was trying to stop but people kept replying. I'm done now though, it's not like anything of value has been lost from us having a 90% sage conversation. I'm sure we've all gained some insight and anybody can feel free to post drawings. We're not hurting the image limit.

>>1518536
At least you're polite about it, sir.

>>1518532
The threads going to autosage anyway
>>1518527
Chemical castration is not a cure, you are not only removing the sexual urge completely you are also removing someones need for intimacy (or love) which has long term effects no innocent human deserves( not to mention the physical side effects).

>>1518543
death cures everything. i advocate death penalty for pedos or at least lobotomy and have them all work in a farm or something.

>>1518538
They're fucking up the board already. Starting random threads on how to draw anime heads or anime hair or asking for critiques on their style. They post their shit in here praying for a redline, and when they don't get it--because everybody else are too busy wanking over a loli, futa, or emo post--they go over to the draw threads and meticulously post repeatedly. For example there is this guy working on the same face and posting endlessly the smallest details. He started in these threads way before the derailing.

The problem isn't the the animu subject, it's the people. This has nothing to do with these threads being bad because they're animu. They're bad because of the kind of people doing them are horrible people for this entire board. They bring their private culture and mannerisms from /a/ to here and expect everybody else to kowtow in suit.

The thing about asking for a critique is a fucking lie.

>>1518545
you'll be surprised then when a family member of yours or perhaps a close friend is a closet pedo, given the statistics it is very possible.
but I agree that those who want to hurt children for their enjoyment deserve at least lobotomy but these arn't pedos, there is a lot of research done in Europe and even the US but because it's such a taboo to talk about this knowledge doesnt get out

>>1518547
W-why can't we all just get along?

>>1518547
>Starting random threads on how to draw anime heads or anime hair or asking for critiques on their style.
They've been here long before the animu threads started. You'd always see one or two of these around.
These threads just caused the rest of /ic/ to get even more asspained and elitist.

>>1518550
>caused the rest of /ic/ to get even more asspained and elitist.

It's funny because it's true.

>>1518547
>>1518549
Maybe the next anime thread should say
>People who have very obviously not learned from the sticky will not get redlines, critiques, or replies (besides trolls) in any of the drawthreads.

I'd like for everyone to get along, but there's always someone who just HAS to look better than everyone else.

>>1518553
It is funny, but now it's just kind of lame because much of the board is going apeshit over it. It's like a black person getting married to a white person in a suburban town in Texas.

>>1518534
>Nope. It's more than one. Trust me.
Nope, it's just you trying to actively take it down.

>>1518547
>For example there is this guy working on the same face and posting endlessly the smallest details. He started in these threads way before the derailing.
Are you talking about teal?

>>1518565
I think it's the person who drew the Labrys-ish character. Needed to push their values, that one...
We even gave him/her a ton of advice, he just never took it :/

>>1518550
>They've been here long before the animu threads started.

And they've increased since these threads have started. You can have 4 of the generals before the oldest gets pruned. How often has that happen with draw threads? /ic/ used to be a slow board.

>>1518555
The problem isn't the shitty art. I'd rather have a million shitty teenage emo anime artists then ONE cunt fuck who doesn't know how to critique effectively; can't think for himself without squawking some trope or cliched soundbite; doesn't know his hand from his ass when assessing another artist.

>>1518565
FirEZ or something like that.

I don't really know if it's the people who normally post in animu threads that are the problem. It just seems like shitposters who don't normally join the animu threads are coming in and picking fights and shitposting because there's nothing productive happening... I don't think they realize they're the cause of this.

Even people within the a/m threads didn't like that guy working on that same Labrys image for 3 weeks.

>>1518577
It didn't even look like Labrys by the "end".
It looked like a man, really...

>>1518585
>>1518577
>>1518566
now i'm intrigued.
i haven't been here for two weeks or so, so what image are you talking about?

>>1518587

Can i have some feedback on thes color scheme?
Is it too orange?

>>1518589
welp

>>1518591

read the sticky

>>1518589
IT MAKES ME LAUGH EVERY TIME AHHH

>>1518591
a bit, yellow picks up orange though, so it'd probably be fine on idk, green or red

>>1518594
Please stop already, you're not doing anything but making these shitty threads even shittier. To make them less shitty atleast contribute.
>>1518591
I'd say to make the background colder to pop the warm color of the skin more out, it looks pretty gud so far.

>>1518591
That's really freaking cute bro.
So are the colors.

>>1518598
please stop already, you're not doing anything productive with these half-ass attempts

>>1518603
no u

>>1518606
u

>>1517759
damn, sassy as fuck

i wish /icrit/ was still around, too much immaturity here.

>>1518614
Did you forget the only reason icrit was taken down was because of immaturity?

Don't make an anonymous image board if you're not capable of handing raids of dick images.

>>1517740
Damn that's cute. I love the coloring!

>>1518614
>trolls have sad lives
it may sound sappy, but reading through this thread it sounds so true it's not even funny.
with this level of reaction against animu-stuff, it almost seems like some kind of inferiority complex.
maybe troll-chan just wants someone to praise him too for once..

just remember, responding to a troll is the same as continuing off-topic conversation. it derails the thread.

>>1518617
This is bait

>>1518617
Don't worry, yer not bait.
Maybe every anime thread op picture should have "just remember, responding to a troll is the same as continuing off-topic conversation. it derails the thread." written on it.

>>1518625
samefagging

>>1518617
Someone draw troll-chan already.

>>1518630
I will, soon enough...

This is for troll-chan, who we all know and are willing to be friends with.
DEAR MIKUFAG
please make this the op for the next thread. Just erase my shit letters first.
thx bby ily

>>1518640
Oh, I remember Troll-Chan haha I wish I had saved those drawings. Will use this as OP for the next one.

>>1518641
It's probably obvious who I am by the nose btw.

>one single anon derailing the whole thread.
>on /ic/
well, you got a trophy troll-chan.

these threads are garbage, lol. i'm glad you guys aren't in the draw threads, were people actually draw shit instead of replying to b8.

Embrace me

>>1518647
And you said this isn't about ego?

took a few days off from drawing because my eyesight was getting pretty bad, I realllllly need some new glasses.

some warmup doodles for now

>>1518591
excellent colour choices anon, please finish this!

For a friend.

>>1518997
read the sticky

>>1518997
Das cute mane ._.

>>1519044

>>>/out/

So do the majority of fan artists just use reference poses to make their shit?
I always feel guilty when I draw straight from a reference, but I just can't make up dynamic poses in my head, and I feel you learn more from just copying references then just studying vilppu/loomis canon and making shitty gestures with them. (Not saying they're bad tools.)

>>1519118
>So do the majority of fan artists just use reference poses to make their shit?
they don't. but it depends on what level they want to work at and how skilled they are in general.

if you want to learn how to draw naturally you really have to think about anime more in terms of cartooning than realistic poses.

-think more in terms of cartooning
-sketch a lot. A LOT.
-simplify your figures (heavily) if it's too hard. you can always add more anatomy once you understand the gist of the basic body structure.

>>1519128
pic kinda related.
most people bite off way more than they can chew. especially if they try to draw real people from imagination. for animu it's not even necessary to have that level of skill.
and even if you want that level of skill, you're not going to get it with that kind of approach.
drawing from imagination is all about understanding. and if you don't even understand how to draw stickmen from imagination, real people from imagination will be too high of a hurdle.

you can already express yourself freely with even the most basic anatomy, as long as you learn how to sketch freely.
again pic related. just look at how whacky the feet and arms look like.
same with >>1519118 it's not really that detailed or anatomy-ridden.
take it easy and build on it later.

>>1519128
>>1519135
Thanks, I've been stressing a lot about how I can't draw figures from imagination.
I'll take your advice and see if it helps.
Not the person you're replying to, by the way.

>>1519135
>>1519128
Thanks.
I've been in a slump for a long time.
I've taken several live figure drawing classes for the last few years and feel my knowledge of figure drawing has improved, but whenever I sit down and try to draw from imagination it's a complete blank. It's nearly impossible for me to sketch freely because I obsess over making something perfect. Using references I guess is just a clutch for me because the answer for everything is sitting in front of me.
I guess I'll just try to simplify what I do.

Blind leading the blind. Way to go with that misconstrued insight. It's nice to know people enjoy their own prejudices and biases.

>>1519212
which insight?
and what would be the correct way, o great grandmaster of cartooning and anime?

>Blind leading the blind
because maybe that applies to yourself the best

>>1519212
Different versions of this same comment happens every time someone gives advice on /ic/.
Get your head out of your ass. Not everyone on this board is as blind as you just proven yourself as, they know what to take from advice and what to leave.

>>1519221

Don't fucking respond retard

HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT?

>>1519264
aw shit. i forgot my own rule.

>>1519257
i know, right? every. time.
it's like someone has dedicated his life to sit on .ic. all day every day fishing for any advice and then drop a copypasta. maybe they're getting paid? nah, it's probably a mentally ill obsessive-compulsive bum.

>>1519221
>>1519257

You don't need to be a grand master, nor have your head up your ass to see an over-generalization that does nothing more than reassure a naive world view.

>>1519444
instead of complaining about it, try to correct the mistakes people make in their critique.

>>1519264
>>1519265
>>1519440

Sup,

Would one of fine young men be willing to do a redline on my ass?

>>1519264
>>1519265
>>1519440

Sup,

Would one of fine young men be willing to do a redline on my ass?

>>1519489
>>1519489
>>1519489

>>1519444
>an over-generalization that does nothing more than reassure a naive world view.
Maybe that's because everything is general to you because you never tried any of this?
Nowhere on this board are the trolls as obnoxious as here.

>>1519460
Too ugly.

>>1519784
babby gonna cry?

>>1519914
10/10 post
great job
sick burn
u rlly told 'em.

Let's draw Prinnies, dood.