/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>when in a pinch lick your dick

>>1506710
go back to /b/
>in nature nothing is perfect round or 90°

>>1506708
bad advice. every professional uses some sort of an eraser (except ones who with ink)
what they meant to say was, don't abuse an eraser.

>>1506716
No, if you do sketches or studies don't use an eraser

>>1506718
are you going to give a reason or are you just parroting?

>Don't use pure white or black, only use when you have a clear purpose that supoport your overall painting
>Draw through (teal)

Only remember those, maybe I will recall some more if I start skethching...

>>1506723
your line gets way more confident
your hands and finger get used to repeating the right line when sketching over it
you see what you did wrong and can correct it immediately instead of changing the tool
you lose fear of the white paper
in fact some artists just scribble over a white paper to get more confident

Best advice ever:
>under any circumstance never take any advice from /ic/.

Keep drawing.

>Drawing a straight line? Look where your line will end.

For me it would probably be "draw every day".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA

>>1506744

That's actually a good advice.

The best one-line advice I've had was actually about music - "a band is only as good as it's worst member"
Meaning one weak element will cripple anything you make

>>1506708

try harder.

forget drawing all day erry day for hours and hours, studying all and every subject matter...

actually work goal oriented, take the time, do the research, gather, discard, collect and arrange reference. develop the composition through multiple phases of thumbnailing, in 2-3-5 values, then do the same thing for color, research palettes, experiment etc etc

do a fuckton of pre-painting work.
then paint. "this part here looks like shit" -> gather ref, do a study on that exact issue -> paint again -> repeat as necessary

you need to tap your outermost potential.

>>1506744
>>1506804
then what you guys doing here.

>>1506744
>>1506804

You must be a really terrible artist if you cannot think for yourself and judge which advice is good and which one is bad without grouping it all together as the same.

study one thing from reference then draw it twice as much from imagination

work on your weaknesses

draw gesture, build stuff from boxes/cylinders
don't rely on contour

>>1506807
That a good piece of advice
thanks anon

>>1506806
I really like this advice. My advice would be to find a community of artists you like. There is nothing more motivating, exciting, and engaging than being with other artists that have the same goals/interests as you.

>>1506918
i went to my local art crib, but everyone was too old. we talked about art, but our interests are different. you know how on /ic/ is arguing all the time about what they like or consider to be good art and what's not? well, it's like that, but only in people's heads. everyone's polite and agreeable, "oh, you like that, alright, that's nice... so (turns to her friend) what's up!"

don't try too much, remember to breathe once in a while

>>1506807
that makes sense

>>1506714
are you trolling, bro? i can't even begin to compile the list of natural life and objects that are (to the human eye) VERY much "perfectly" round. sure, sure... mathematically, they may not be, but fuck dude. no way! nature makes more "perfect" circles than man-made machines. in fact, it's arguable that nature's very existence is centered around circles!

i admit there aren't really any 90 degree angles typically of nature though, but hard angles of other degrees are definitely there.

>>1507023
sometimes i wish 4chan had a like button...

and yes, i realize how faggy it was of me to say that. i will go kill myself now.

>>1507028
Please do. That wasn't a nice thing to say.

>>1506708
i think where i've heard it as 'draw with the eraser' might be a more inclusive version of the same advice. getting away from 'rubbing out mistakes' is certainly something some people need to be told.

>>1507019
but those eggs are notably not perfectly round

>>1507019

I'm not the same anon, but I believe the one you responded to meant on an observable, macroscopic level. We can argue about stars, eyeballs, cells and so-on, but overall there generally aren't any perfect circles that should be reproduced in art, unless for very specific reasons.

However I completely agree that life is centered around circles, all of my sketches of organic subjects start with a circle.

When I was stuck with an art breakdown a few months ago because I didn't know "if I was good enough", my buddy told me:

>you need to stop thinking about it and just DO it

>>1507038
bullshit. the center of them is ridiculously near perfection. the outside clear gel is pressed up on one another, so of course they become less than perfect.

>>1507035
Speaking of rubbing and this thread's topic:
>never smudge/rub artwork with your finger

>>1507039
true true. i was referring less to the art aspect and more to the blatant statement he made that they don't exist. i was nerd-raging off-topic, i'm sorry. i can see how art would usually not require the perfect circles in nature

my first grade teacher would tell us there are no mistakes you can't fix when drawing.

it felt comforting to think that way.

>>1507047

It's cool anon, no need to apologize. Here's one of my favorite Beksinski paintings. While the skulls/helmets may not be perfect circles, I believe it shows the importance of being able to visualize and create a sphere when painting. Maybe you can do a study of it and learn something. I found it to be useful, hopefully you can too.

Only measure vertically or horizontally when drawing from life.

>>1507068
wonderful painting! perhaps i will use it in a study. thanks for the suggestion. i believe our discussion has had a significant lesson at it's core.

>while perfect circles aren't typically displayed in art, a foundation based around perfect circles result in much more realistic forms

that's what i took from it, anyway

>>1507059
it's true, but you need to recognize your mistakes and have the knowledge to correct them

>>1507041
if you can't see it you need more observational training, there is one in the middle which is pretty much perfect but the rest are as wonky as willy wonka.

>>1507082

Absolutely. It's great to be able to have a nice discussion on /ic/ without someone yelling >LOOMIS or >Muh Style.


On that note, to further validate the point that spheres are the base of organic forms and a solid understanding of them can ground a painting; here's a sketch by Andrew Loomis practicing basic head composition with a sphere.

>>1507043
that only goes for graphite. in painting it's perfectly fine, and in charcoal it's not uncommon, especially for 'ghosting' lines.

i think, 'don't use your fingers for blending.' is perhaps the more accurate version.

>>1507086
it was first grade, i think she was just trying to get us over the way of thinking kids have where they are too afraid to draw/do stuff because they think one mistake will ruin everything and make all the effort put into something count for nothing.

i know people who are too scared of making mistakes they prefer to not even attempt stuff because of their fear of failure. in that regard the thought is kinda liberating.

don't rely too much on digital privlages (UNDO, UNDO, UNDO). try practicing line accuracy so that you can get the line you want down the first time.

don't think too much about "muh style" and just draw appealing subject matter and compositions.

alway judge a person's advice by what the say, not their own artistic abilities. critique is merely pointing out the flaws in an artwork, not claiming superiority over the artist.

>>1506795
This was fucking beautiful, anon.

>>1507190
Inded it is

>>1506795
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother coming back to this board, but then someone posts something like this.

>>1506795
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA
I always watch this video when I'm feeling down about art

>>1507183
Actually I do think that it's important that you should be seriously and consciously thinking about your style once you start forming a good grasp on fundamentals. The importance of a personal style shouldn't be underestimated.

So many artists 'chase' some cool style they see around, change their mind and chase some other one. When instead they should be zoning in on what they particularly enjoy doing, and develop something distinct and personal.

>>1507314
Bro ross only wants you to have a good time with your paints :D

>don't ink your first sketch

If you are looking at your drawing for more than 3 seconds you are drawing from your imagination not observation

>>1507817
That advice is fucking stupid.

>>1507817
you have to see what you are drawing and how you're drawing something is equally important

>>1506806
Well. I can use this line when some whacko tells that Picasso is good.

>>1507821
>>1507834

While his advice does sound shitty, he still has a point. You should be observing what you are drawing about 80% of the time and drawing the other twenty.

>>1507837
or when someone complains about dA

>become good

>>1507328
>Actually I do think that it's important that you should be seriously and consciously thinking about your style once you start forming a good grasp on fundamentals. The importance of a personal style shouldn't be underestimated.
I agree. But having a grasp on fundamentals will take a few years, depending on how much time you have to study and what you do with said time.

Stroke economy.

It doesn't mean do a few halfassed, compuslive strokes and call it a day. It means simplify the form down to fewer plains/strokes. Figure out exactly, precisely how something looks, and then simplify it down, take away everything unnecessary and get it to its base element.

Don't overrender background and irrelevant details, only go all out on the focal point (usually the face or action point). Did 180 on all my work following this.

>>1507837
picasso was good, anon.

even his abstract and surreal paintings have a lot of thought and skill put into them, even though i don't care for them much.

>>1507928
I agree, but let's not have another one of these threads. Only tards think Picasso was untalented, and there's no sense educating retards.

>>1507934
picasso please go

>>1507934
He wasn't talented. He was skilled

>>1507984
>Empty semantics argument.

OK, chum.

>>1506795

dear north americans

please stop spamming this kitschy irrelevant faggot. it's not even funny anymore

>>1507934
Honestly, I would be more worried about the people who look at Picasso and think it's a justification for them to try and become artists without putting any effort to learning the foundational skills.

Those people alone is enough reason to hate him and his legacy.

>>1509825
Lazy niggers will always be lazy niggers. What about the legions of legitimate artists that came after and were inspired by Picasso? And I'm not talking about the most ridiculous avant-garde stuff you can come up with with.

Also Picasso put tons of effort into his foundational skills, so anyone thinking they could skip all of that and be a Picasso is just totally ignorant of the man's life.

Whatever though, haters gonna hate.

>>1509825
That makes no sense at all, and I think all you've done is broadcast your ignorance on the subject.

Picasso had great skill and astounding range. Once could explore his work for years and still find surprises.

>draw big, use the whole canvas

>>1509978
That's precisely my point, bleeding, shit-eating idiot. He had skill, those people don't
How difficult it is to comprehend a simple sentence?

bump

>>1510147
So because other people are ignorant, we should hate Picasso, who was a skilled artist.

Makes perfect sense,

>>1510143
Adding: draw big, use the whole canvas, use your whole arm & shoulder

Of course, detailing still gets done with some wrist and finger movement.

>>1510262
There's also the whole thing about him throwing all his skills and knowledge into the trash bin just to enable these faggots to kill art once and for all.

>Look at the model 95% of the time and the paper 5%.

When drawing from life, the more you look at the paper instead of the model/subject, the less valuable the study is.


>Never think you're good enough

Valuable to think this way, because once you're satisfied of your current level, your growth as an artist slows significantly

I like working in black and white, so the 70-30 rule.

Also
>"If you want photorealism just use a fucking camera."
Not that I agree with that necessarily, but it keeps me from stressing over minor mistakes that other people would probably never notice otherwise.

>>1512057
>I like working in black and white, so the 70-30 rule.
how is it helpful?

>not knowing picassos dad held his hand for his early works
>not knowing there are no rules just tools faggots

>>1512079
It makes the picture more clear. If you have 50-50 black and white the whole thing looks like a messy texture.

>>1506714
almost correct.
>correct because every single thing we experience is never ever perfectly spheric
>almost because black holes are, indeed, PERFECTLY spheric.

>>1509820
Dear eurofag or worse

Only cunts get annoyed by Bob Ross

>>1512079
Helps by adding emphasis to the focal point. 50-50 confuses the viewer because they aren't sure where to look. Also helps with layering and deciding on your composition before you even get to the actual inking stage.

>>1512324
Also that.

>>1512324
thank you for clarifying.

>>1506708
>"No rules, just tools."

>>1506708
whaaaaaat? Why???? goo on I'm interested

>>1507934
>>1507934
>>1507934
>>1507934
>>1507934

ok, now listen to me fucker, reproducing something is EASY, fuckin easy as shit, doing a portrait with such a reference is fuckin easy. the painting style isn't even impressive at all.

the thing picasso drew from mind was a bunch of creepy ass scratches a 5yo could do, don't even fuckin talk about picasso being a "good" artist, he's half one.

"If you give up, you can just pretend you were never going to make it anyway"

>>1509820
>Actually getting upset at seeing a happy, optimistic, peaceful person.

>>1512708
mmmm... I can smell the butthurt

>Use softer pencils early on for sketching(3B and below.

>>1506776
>>1506791
>>1506807
>>1506829
>>1507023
>Attrition is the greatest weapon.

>>1512708
so you don't like his academic work, his synthetic cubist work, his analytical cubist work, his 'return to order' work, his blue period, his rose period, his African-influenced period, his surrealist-influenced work, or his more Neo-expressionist work?

Because I find it more likely that you know jack-shit about art history and have pigeon-holed Picasso due to your complete ignorance of his oeuvre.

>>1512945

Of course they didn't. While I don't like picaso's work much either I can't deny when he was doing this stuff in his time period he was fucking PUSHING BOUNDARIES. Doing nothing anyone ever did before. If you can't at least respect that I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah you can hate Duchamp and Warhol all you want and how they ruined art but it you're not getting the historical context you're not getting the whole picture.

So my advice for the Anons in this thread is to get at least a cursory grasp of art history. So next time someone name drops an obscure artist from (x) movement you have the context and can tell yourself: "Yeah, I understand what this artist was doing and why they were doing it."

>>1507817
Not bad advice but sometimes a little imagination is needed.

>>1506708
>Stop being terrible Anon.
>Being terrible is a choice.

/ic/ : 10% art, 45% arguing about art, 45% calling each other faggots

nobody told me this, but if i could advice a beginner, when it comes to study, quantity > quality. Its not usefull when you start out to spend tons of hours on little details.

>>1514432
I agree but you should still try to bring every piece further then the previous one..because if you just do fast sketches, you might not learn to finish a piece.

>>1506795
Damn, thanks for posting this. Made me feel really good.

When in an alley ask for sally.

{she gives good head}

>>1506795
This makes me happy inside.

>>1509820
I posted this video expecting people to respond to it like you did.
Happy to see that I was entierly misstaken and I live in Scandinavi(this isnt a country) not America.

Stay happy and painting /ic/

>>1514954
Scandinavia*

>>1514408
You need to work on your math.

One piece of advice on how to become a "better" artist is ridiculous.
It's a complex multi faceted thing with different roads.
Steal techniques from other artists. Don't stick to one path. Draw instead of socialising. Hurt yourself drawing.

>>1507039
>you need to stop thinking about it and just DO it
This is actually the kind of philosophy I dislike.

>>1506744
Isn't that a bit of paradox as people who would take your advice to ignore advice from /ic/ would actually be taking advice from /ic/.

>>1515083
he cant, he is too buzy arguing and calling people faggots.

Act like you've never seen the thing you're drawing from life. Forget what you know about it and look twice as much as you draw