/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Go for the connections, friends, and environment. If you don't need any of these just learn on your own. You'll learn the same stuff you do there by doing some personal studies and reading the right books.

>>1504414

Expanding on this should do you know if there is a substantial difference between "the best" and "the meh" art schools?

>>1504415
All art schools are pretty "meh", you just want to go to one that has the most connections in the industry and is considered "prestigious".

Also, be wary of developing a "high horse" so to speak. I can't tell you how many people I have tried to give advice to and they'll just throw the fact that they went to some art school in my face. Hell, I had a friend who went to one and never did any life studies and still draws flat, symbolic animu characters... so yeah, I personally think they are a joke. I'm sure somebody else on here has a different opinion though.

>>1504412
>What's /ic/'s opinion on going to art college? Does it help?

It helps, but if you compare USA with Europe it's a scam! It's really out of proportions what they offer and what they ask $$$ and this happens only for art schools. In other fields American universities can be expensive, but the quality is very very high.

>>1504412
You're going to have split opinions here... especially since much of this board thinks everything valuable can be learned in torrented pdfs of books. I can speak only for myself, but my work and my knowledge has been put into hyper mode since going to art school (a private art college in California).

I will agree, it's very expensive, but I attend thanks to a scholarship and grants.

I cannot speak highly enough of my experience so far, though I do see the downsides at times. For me, without this experience, I never would have made anything remotely appealing commercially, but my work is starting to appeal to a wider audience and my ability to draw and paint is a billion times better than the place it was at when I started (at the cost of much sleep and my hairline). Some of those anti-art school folks will say, "Well doesn't that just make your work look like everyone else's?" Kinda, but not really. I could have created shit that was "muh style" forever without the education and kept "muh personal integrity" and "muh individuality", but I'd appeal to no one with it, and end up working at Trader Joe's, doing weekend paintings. My chances of having an actual career solely in art now are much greater. People are already noticing and I'm doing some side work for money while I'm in school (but I have to decline many offers since I'm so busy with school).

>>1504417
your friend went to a shitty art school then, and you have no clue what you're saying.

>>1504414
I guess but not really. The biggest learning experiences in art school come through critiques. So you have the opinion of an instructor that is a successfully working professional (in the case of my school) along with 7-15 of your talented peers. Some classes are 5 straight hours of critique and you learn so much from it. Not just critiques of your own work, but of your peers' work as well. This is something you don't get in books.

>>1504441
I respect you, anon.

Go to an atelier, spend half the money, get 10x the skill

>>1504441
I respect you too, keep the good work.

Op here. I'm from the UK so US colleges are out of the question financially.

depends on your personality. if you have a solid motivation and know about yourself that you can pound away at your education with no outside stimulation, self-taught is the way to go.
on the flip side, if you are a very social person and need others to give you that push to head in a less appealing direction (complete this mundane assignment, student. <would you otherwise have completed it if i didn't make it mandatory?>)
and if you need affirmation and constant encouragement in order to move forward in sometimes less than pleasant tasks, then you should take the art school route and surrender to impending debts.

>>1504461
>Op here. I'm from the UK

What kind of art are you interested in? In UK there are excellent design schools.

>>1504466

Primarily sculpture and interactive design. Also animation.

I went to a community college for three years, wasn't really worth it. Lecturers were lazy, shit and out-of-touch, facilities and equipment poor and old, modules poorly organised and taught etc.
I've just been working normal boring jobs since and although I got a decent tablet, art work and contacts out of them I'm beginning to feel I should return to college.
There isn't much on offer in my country though, I've been looking at a Games Design Art course in the UK that seems awesome. Iit's the only course of its kind in the UK, is internationally recognised and 2/3 of graduates go straight into work.
Has anyone here studied abroad? It's only across the water for me but it'd still be a hell of a new environment, and a costly one too

>>1504469

I have a friend that is British and she is 17 years old. Last year she went to college. But what they college over there is completely different by what we mean.
She did for the entire year an animation course (3.5 days a week) that looked like pretty lame and easy. Only a few students were interested in all the rest were spending the time in class watching youtube and doing stupid things.

>>1504469
>>1504469

I have a friend that is British and she is 17 years old. Last year she went to college. But what they call "college" over there is completely different by what we mean.
She did for the entire year an animation course (3.5 days a week) that looked like pretty lame and easy. Only a few students were interested in all the rest were spending the time in class watching youtube and doing stupid things.

>>1504466
when you say excellent do you mean shit?

>>1505154

>implying

What is RCA?
What is Goldsmiths?
What is LCC?
What is Slade?

etc etc

Yeah. You learn the arts. Its easier to get an art job at a company with a degree.

The downside is you wont get to be an engineer. Be an engineer, like me

>>1505154

The best school of design in Europe is the Royal College of Art in London

>>1505168

>Europe
>good art schools

animereactionimage.bat

>>1505168
only does MAs tho

>>1504412

Here is a list of the best 10 in the world:
http://topyaps.com/top-10-best-art-colleges-in-the-world/

>>1505205
>The most famous RISD alumni is Seth MacFarlane, the creator of the animated series Family Guy.
How embarrassing for them.

>>1505242

And Chunbum went there

>>1505242
>How embarrassing for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3e6V_NjUvc

If you're only interested in the art making, don't go and learn on your own.
If you have an interest in the associated liberal arts that surround fine arts as well as making art then go for it.

>>1504456
Half? Ringling is like 40-50k a year. Watts Atelier is like 4k for 10 weeks or 8k for two "semesters".

>>1504536
I did a similar thing and had a similar experience (UK equivalent of community college)
Now I'm on a degree it's only somewhat better. Out about 30 of us in my class, I'd bet only half of us know who Milt Kahl was!
There are a couple of us who actually give a shit and put some effort in though.

However it's much cheaper to study in Scotland than in USA. I wouldn't be going if it cost as much as it does in the US

>>1505242

The guys behind A:TLA went to RISD too.

Seth just puts himself out there

>>1505392
>>1505242
Sheridan is a better college for animation

>>1505400
From what I've heard CalArts and Sheridan are held in higher regard the RISD.

>>1505499
not who you're speaking to, but not true. I'd say all schools are equally respected. There is a certain tier of art schools that are equally and well respected in the States when it comes to anyone who knows what they're talking about like art directors.

>>1505205
>tfw rejected from Edinburgh College of Art

>>1505568
they rejected me three years in a row before I eventually got accepted.
Keep tryin' brutha

>>1504412
Ofcourse it helps. Being surrounded by a bunch of art fags and receiving daily instructions, practices, and critiques is important. Making connections and having shows is great for your career too. But to be a great artist, you need to work your ass off. And you could stil lget to the same level of skill without art school.

for the expense of it? I wouldnt say so, but im a butthurt poor fuck living in San Francisco so its easier to find art connections without having to go to an art school.
Not to mention the two art schools is Academy of Art Univ and Art Institute. It depends on what school you go to too. You could always take classes at art studios or atelier thats much cheaper

>>1504441
post your art.

>>1505400

Ringling tops all of them.

>>1504412

Art college? It's great.

It helps in too many ways to narrow down to just a set of technical skills. You learn how to interact with other creative people and actually collaborate on ideas that you have that you want to turn into actual things. It's spectacular. You're never really bored at all, and I haven't been at a loss of inspiration yet. The whole environment is set up to get you to think about making things in new and cool ways. It's really fun.

The only downside is that you may get equally overwhelmed at the amount of possibilities with what can be done, and you might get anxious about what is the right thing to do in said seemingly vast set of possibilities ("shit! should I be learning javascript and get on dat dere app developing craze or should I stick to material experimentation? or both? why am I not building robots with A.I right now? machine learning!? innovation?? chairs? what do I do?!? ahhh!), and so at the end of the day you kind of just have to do SOMETHING and have made at least some type of progress in some skill. at least with RISD that's the case. our career services really gives you no excuse to be unemployed with the amount of internships and connected alumni they have to offer to us. Again with the anxiety about possibility, rather than fear of the lack of it. It feels kind of crazy.

so don't believe all the bullshit about art college being a waste of money. it's a waste of money if you're lazy and want to be spoonfed a set of skills from your instructors.

>>1505752
have they taught you to finish anything? to put the bottle down?

>>1505752
Sure would like to see some of your art. Lets see what college can actually do for a person.

All these college students out on summer break... I swear. Art school is a painfully bad joke. Save your money, learn how to torrent, then make connections online by showing off your skills. I bet these "students" won't go anywhere then complain about there being no jobs when really they just lack the skills.

Depends.
Some schools have resources you cannot easily get access to on your own, like print-making, ceramics, weaving studios etc. That, imo, is worth paying for.

Otherwise - and I can only speak for Canada - it's truly a joke. Even Sheridan's grad shows/shorts have gone straight downhill, and NSCAD has completely blown its history and influence to become one of the most disgraceful, no-standards cash-cow schools on the continent.
I'm not going to pretend you don't have the opportunity to learn at least some small nugget you didn't know before, but for the $$$ it is not remotely worth it. There are always other, cheaper avenues with enough motivation.

>>1505752
I have the same experience at Art Center, except more based around my major. I have no interest in learning 5 axis machining or some of the shit the industrial design majors are doing, but I have gained so much knowledge that it becomes overwhelming what to do or what to do it with. I have a zillion personal projects on my mind that I wish I had time to at least touch upon, but I need a term off to get to it.

>>1505784
You have no idea what is learned in an art school if you think it can be learned through torrented shit you find online.

Art school (at least the good ones) go far beyond learning how to construct a figure or other shit like that that is taught in books.

My teachers are much more than that, they are my huge team of mentors that really give a fuck about me doing well since I give my all to them and their class. The more I make them and their class look good, the more they want to guide me smoothly into the working world.

>>1505784
>make connections online

huehuehuehue

You think that's where art directors are looking for people? On your Deviantart, ConceptArt thread, or 4chan thread?

Quit fooling yourself.

...and guess what, art school even teaches you about the bitter art school grad that can't get work. These are the guys that don't keep hauling ass after graduation. They spend time with their girlfriends instead of pounding the pavement and making art every waking moment. They watch their friends get hired by Dreamworks and Disney, and while they were enjoying the lack of homework now that they're free, they become broke, and angry, and get a job at Costco to make ends meet, and then complain for the rest of their lives about their student loans and how much of a waste of time art school was.

Well familiar with the type - these are the ones that are quiet in class. These are the ones that aren't taking notes when it's not required. These are the ones that aren't doing extra work outside of the homework.

I've watched several classes graduate and the ones that go on and get work are the ones that stand out. They make themselves god damn heard. They do extra credit when it's not required. They're the ones that are checking a fuck ton of books from the library.

The bitter fucker wasting his money is the guy that never sets foot in the library. He can still graduate, and he thinks a job will land in his lap, but nope.

>>1505780
yeah sure man, here's the stuff I was doing before risd/in my sketchbook (the b/w stuff). no digital paintings because I accidentally deleted them from my hard drive lol. yoozef.tumblr.com

and here's some of what I've been doing in the past two months

shopgraphs.tumblr.com
putrycz.tumblr.com

>>1505805

yeee Art Center! i've only heard good things about it. i really shouldn't have started any of the projects since now I don't know what to do with them except weep at how many unfinished things I have (as usual). haha

>>1505820
So you're jozef putrycz huh? That's a tad hard to believe.

>>1505820

Hey, you've been away for so long, that people don't know you anymore.

>shopgraphs.tumblr.com
>putrycz.tumblr.com
I'm disappointed. Are you planning to get good at photography?

>>1505813
sure would like to see some of that art. All these people talking up art schools and not many of them posting anything to prove that it's doing them some good.

>>1505839

is he famous?

I really don't get the value of those photo manipulations. I started to believe he was trolling.

>>1505843
Jozef Putrycz is well known, and some of the sketches he is claiming are his are from that artist, the photo manipulations I was not impressed with.

all this college marketing.

>>1505861
Oddly enough, this shit only happens during the summer. The rest of the year everyone is pretty much in agreement that its a waste of time. I don't think its marketers though, just a bunch of students who wasted money.

>>1505844
you just arrive here like yesterday doggy?

>>1505840

just for fun on the side, but I'm sorry that you're disappointed! guess I'm going to have to set my standards a lot higher.

do you think I should put the manipulation/photo blog to the side for now?

>>1505867
Nah, I've been here for quite a while, years actually. Haven't seen this fucker around though. Again where's the proof that he is who he says he is?

>>1505844

if he is already famous at 18 good for him.

>>1505867
I haven't heard of him either but from my experience on 4chan, anyone who posts regularly on here is not much

>>1505866
what gave you that idea? /ic/ is usually in agreement that it isn't necessary to go to art school if you want to pursue a career in art provided that you really push yourself to work hard but no one ever claims that art schools are a waste of time. And I don't understand why you think that people who made "made the mistake of going to art school" would go online and lie about the advantages of having attended in order to trick others into applying. what could they possibly gain from this?

>>1505882
this.

Do these people think schools give tuition kickbacks when you dupe people on 4chan?

Op here, i'm going to the LCC to do Design for Interaction.

>>1505868
Nah, keep it up, but change what you're doing.
The manipulations are a bland mess, I'd suggest putting more variation in one image. I don't know what your working progress is, but maybe start with a realistic, concrete idea, then manipulate that beyond recognition?
What I personally find interesting, are those abstract images in which everyone can see something different.

The photographs don't go beyond snapshots.

>>1506037
exactly.

I'm a frequent buyer of art magazines, especially illustration ones. Every artist seems to have an education from some art school, and the ones that shit on art school still went to one. They can shit on it all they want, but the reason they're probably in the magazine and are successful is because they went to art school (see Daniel Clowes - Art School Confidential).

What do you guys think of MICA? I'm touring it this Sunday. On that note, saic? I'm just curious if any of you go to either of those schools, I'd like to hear an opinion from a current student.

>>1506060
I would consider them in the tier of schools that are respected.

>>1506037
you forgot to make the ECA kid ginger

What's a great design school in the USA?

I'm from Germany and I always liked the idea going to an overseas college
Until now I have only found very expensive but also prestige schools like Parsons ect

Can anon suggest me a good, inexpensive college

>>1505353
Still cheaper

>>1506139
Why would you ever do that? School in the US? Are you kidding? Inexpensive here will be ridiculous over there.

>>1506152

Any suggestions then where to apply to? Because money is major factor, although I will try to get an scholarship

Also how good do you have to be to get a scholarship?

>You will never be accepted into Cooper Union.

i have a place to study illustration in september here in the uk, but i'm having second thoughts about it. Mostly because i want to do entertainment design rather than illustration really, but also i kind of get the impression it won't be worth my time or money. All this is backed up by the student work they have posted on their website (pic related), which is uninspiring and also none of which is to my particular taste. Initially i thought it would be an opportunity to take the time to hone my skills the way i would like but with no maintenance grant and possibly minimum maintenance loan i will have to be doing as much payed work as possible to stay alive.

What should i do? I looked round other unis and everything but didn't think any were head and shoulders above the others. I have thought about studying abroad at art centre maybe or saving to go to an atelier, both of which i would prefer than uni but it is just the problem finance. help

anyone with me?

>>1506190
Where do you have a place for illustration?

depends highly on the road you are meaning to take in the art world.

some will come out of an art college highly enhanced and some highly blocked.

>>1506208
from what I hear of people who went there thats a shit school where you write more essays than actually draw and it doesn't prepare you for the workforce at all

>>1506214
nua

Graduated from Ringling couple years ago. During the end of my junior year the focus of the school seemed to shift and they became more money hungry then ever.

Wasn't worth the money.

>>1506295

What was your major? Are you working now?

I went to Sheridan for illustration, dropped out after first year though. Felt it was a waste of time and money there. Shame there aren't any good schools in Canada. Now I just sort of dick around with art on my own and work as a line cook.

>>1506295
Graphic Design major.
Currently working at a shitty print shop + freelance whenever.

>>1506303
how was the animation program there? Did you talk to any of the animation students? What were there experiences like? Would you say the schools going downhill at all? I'm going to be attending there soon

art school, just like life, is what you make of it.

Speaking from my own experience, i'm an Animation Student in Paris (well as of september I WILL be) and last year i did sort of the art equivalent of a prep school (in short, you work on improving your artistic foundations and culture then ease into the specialization you'll want to take the following year).
I was fortunate to have a good bunch of competent teachers and hardcore drawing accompanied by constant advice and crits from said teachers which really helped me improve greatly in the span of just a few months.
With that said, the year was HARSH in terms of time schedule. I didn't have a life throughout and at certain points of the year it got so intense there were weeks i was happy to get some sleep.

To give you an idea, the first sem was nearly 45h per week long (8am-6pm everyday with morning classes on sat) the 2nd sem was less time consuming school wise, but absurdly time consuming homework and working on portfolio wise.

This personal soliloquizing aside,a bunch of people in my class failed the year and didn't make it into the school that they wanted. The schedule was really intense and it was made quickly and violently clear to us that the only people who get accepted into any Parisian Applied arts School are those with a fuckton of Passion for what they do.

This one girl who was struggling the entire year,because she was only working on her desired field got accepted in one of the major art schools in France "Les Arts Decoratifs".

>>1506342
With regards to France, but i think it also applies to Applied arts schools with a certain recognition elsewhere, you really honest to goodness have to put your ALL into it, and love what you do in order to get the most out of your experience.

It's also very important to be open minded in regards to new things and what they can bring you. And throw your personal ego aside and just take in the crits and suggestions your teachers and peers give to you.That said, you have to manage to discern which crits are constructive to your improvement and which aren't (that's not very easy to do).

Also, don't expect the school to be 100% responsible for your growth. You have to research and draw a fucking lot on the side if you want to further your studies.

Just my 2 cents anyway

>>1506342
if you're talking about Gobelins then that's fucking awesome
good going, man.

>>1506342
What prépa/MANAA were you in ?

>>1506322
As I said, I was in the illustration program, which has really gone downhill and does not live up to its reputation. The facilities have been recently updated I believe, so the rooms and equipment is all very good (cintiqs...cintiqs everywhere). But all that fancy money stuff doesn't make up for the poor classes.

The animation program certainly appeared much stronger than illustration, and produced better artists and artwork. I'm not sure how it stands up to days of old though. That being said, I don't really have any experience with those classes, and didn't talk much with the animation students. You will quickly discover that there is a split between animation and illustration--the animation kids tend to think themselves as being much better and don't interact with the illustration people. It's a bit unfortunate, but that was my experience at least.

>foals
>samefagging drunk
Pick 2

>>1506366
Institut Sainte Genevieve, Actually continuing in the school after debating between having been accepted in Roubaix and Here

>>1506360
Also, no not Gobelins, but it is my goal after these 2 years!

>>1504441
Keep up the great work anon. Could we get some art?

>>1506282

Take a look at Graphic Communication/Vis Com or illustration and media. Several London colleges do these.

The type of illustration you posted is very in vogue at the moment and you will literally find it everywhere.

>>1504463
art school is important. you learn an incredible amount from being in that kind of environment. also, the truth is that you generally won't be taken seriously by galleries without a ba. do you want to study fine art or design?
I don't know much about design schools.
good uk art schools:
ruskin, oxford
glasgow school of art
goldsmiths
slade
chelsea
st martins
camberwell
royal college (postgrad)
royal academy (postgrad)

it's important to visit them and find out about the specifics of each course

Set to enter Art Fundamentals at Sheridan this coming September, is Animation /really/ the only worthwhile program to take? I saw earlier on in the thread that someone thought Illustration was a waste of time and I'm just curious if there are any serious options besides Animation at Sheridan.

>>1506900
if you want to draw people/figures/portraits, then animation all the way

>>1506711
Those courses are a load of shit though, I want to do digital Sargent rip offs not be a graphic designer

>>1506936

I think you'd be better of not going then.

>>1504412

this is the best thread ever

>>1506900
>sheridan
check out the web series 'technical dave'. It's a dude telling the story of his time at sheridan with little illustrated videos

>>1507088
Thanks so much for the recommendation, going to try and get in contact with this guy.

Guys, I'm from Mexico and even though I know this is sort of irrelevant, and that you can't help that much, I will ask.
I want to (draw like teal) make comics, animu, and whatnot, the problem is I took a gap year, and it's already finished, my parents are eager for me to enroll in (any) college, but I'm hesitant because all that "I don't have time for myself and my hobbies anymore" shit, so, it came to my mind that I should go to art school, doing what I like and getting better at it while also getting a degree and probably a job in the long run; the thing is that, I've researched a little bit and all art schools over here seem to be about "contemporary art" or simply put, shit smeared over a canvas, but, their study programs involve things like life drawing sessions, geometry applied to art, composition, color theory and pretty much sticky material, yet, what most (i say most because there's always an exception, even though I haven't found it ) students produce is awful, as if they didn't even attended to school or if school didn't taught them. Is it the schools that are mediocre, or the students? Anyway, then I started to search for people that work on the industry to see what they studied and how they "succeded", imagine my surprise when I found out that the most skilled are self taught in some degree, and the ones that aren't just mention how "lucky" they are, instead of saying what they did or studied in order to start their career.
So, it all boils to this, given that I basically want to be an illustrator, what should I do? study visual arts? Graphic design? Both? Or study something else (or work) and roll with the autodidacticism?
Pic is the work of a self taught mexican dude, no the best example I could think of, but meh.

>>1507215
>"contemporary art" or simply put, shit smeared over a canvas
you wouldn't get a lot out of art school with that kind of boring outlook

>>1507220
yeah, you've got to use your imagination, that the shit smeared on canvas is actually really really deep.

>>1505242
famous =/= good

>>1507222
seriously, say this lazy stuff at an interview and they will laugh you out

>>1507222
>>1507220
Yeah, super deep, does it help me to understand the human body and the world around me?
Does it help me to convincingly portray a 3D world over a 2D surface?
Call me a boring fag, but I don't want to spend my college time deluding myself into thinking that shit like pic related is making my art stronger.
Remember what kind of knowledge I seek.
>I want to (draw like teal) make comics, animu, and whatnot.

>>1507235
i disagree with you
but you probably should look into graphics design, it's mostly covering application

Northern Ireland here.

I want to do illustration, but my dream job is to do entertainment design.

What do? I don't have much money.

>>1507256
There's nothing down south here worth bothering about. There's a place in Wales I think that has a pretty could Illustration course, but if you're low on dosh you should prolly get a job first

>>1507238
You disagree, in what exactly?

>>1507215
sounds like your reasoning for not going to art school is extremely myopic and supported with unsubstantial evidence. if you think that you are going to be given the same opportunities that are given to the ones who attend any higher educational institution (art schools aside), then you are deluding yourself into a professional pipedream.

while I agree with any who makes the claim that the internet is a highly useful tool to supplement one's education- it is not necessarily a replacement, not for most people anyway. it is really only a replacement for an educational institution instruction IF you are living in such a high level of society that you literally do /not/ need a college to "get in" to top notch companies (which is one of the most important functions of colleges). do you really think you go to art school so someone can teach you how to draw? no, you go to art school so when adidas, twitter, and EA come to recruit students from that school you will be there to have access to THAT opportunity. companies need to make a profit, and in order to make a profit they have to make sure that their employees are reliable, so they pick these institutions to find young professionals, rather than just "hoping" that some vigilante artist will show up at their headquarters with a portfolio ready to do awesome things for them.

>>1507269
But you're not answering my question, also, you are twisting my comment.

I never claimed that not going to school opened the doors to heaven, neither I said that I was planning on doing so, I just want to know what should I study or do, in order to have a chance to do what I want to do.

>do you really think you go to art school so someone can teach you how to draw?
Yes, if not, then what's the point of going? Oh yeah, the oportunities of being recruited by big companies, well, then if that's all there is to art school, then why the fuck it's called art school and not "job offering institution for young professionals"?
If my reasoning is flawed, your's is too.

I'm doing animation in the UK in september. It's a traditionally drawing focused course so will it be full of anime-enthusiasts?

>>1507334
I'm not who you're talking to, but for me, I knew how to draw well prior to art school (I learned a lot in community college art classes and have been drawing my whole life beyond that). However, I learned new techniques that helped me understand how to draw even better and create something more visually appealing. It was no longer about, "Can I draw this?" but "How will I draw this?"

My school tends to push more commercial appealing work. They're not really trying to churn out the next Chunbum that wants to be so different and innovative, but rather, they want to just make working artists and illustrators.

>>1507899
Yeah, I'm not trying to say that schools should spoonfed their students; I know I need to hone my craft by myself and sort out the info I pick in school.

But still, what do I study to make comics? I know I need to be an illustrator and that I will delve in more commercial branches of it , not just comics, but you see, over here there's not an "illustration" career, all the people that work on the industry seem to have studied graphic design, but on the drawing department, they're either self taught, or have had mentors that learned like that.
Also, I'm not sure what are " community college art classes", but I bet there's nothing like that over here, and if there is, I bet It's not worth it; so, that tells me I should study Ghraphic design and keep rolling with the /ic/ academy.

>>1507886
You bet.

>>1508251
Believe it or not, I took a graphic novel class in my art school. It expanded my understanding of comics into such a broad spectrum of theory that I had no idea existed. There is a way to control your audience, and everything from the choice of marks that you make to the arrangement of a page affect the reader's cooperation with the story.

I suggest digging up that comics thread floating around /ic/ somewhere that discusses many of the resources to building comics. The books about theory like Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics as well as Will Eisner's book, Douglas Wolk's "Reading Comics," and the essay collective, "Comic Studies Reader," are really great for understanding all that. I had the help of an amazing critical analysis/writing teacher to further my understanding, but much can be learned from books alone.

I don't know where you are, but there are illustrators all over the world, there's just an underground community you're probably not aware of. Find your local newspaper or print magazines and find the spot illustrations. Those are the illustrators in your part of the world making money from drawing pictures.

>>1505250
Wait, seriously? Did he finish?

>>1508345
No, our theory is that he got kicked out. He's not going there currently.

Even if he did/does go there, I think he was a fine art major, not illustration. Fine art majors typically do some of the bullshit that makes you go, "the fuck, seriously?" Things such as calling a room with a single chair in it "an installation."

I went to Ringling (36k a year) and it is a complete expierence, you are not only learning how to art but how to sell yourself and how to be an artist outside of drawing and painting. You can totally learn a lot of stuff from teaching yourself but you will never get the intense critique that you will need to improve as well as the sheer spectrum of people to meet and learn from. I honestly wish I could go back again with what I know now and be so much more serious about it. I regularly miss being there.

I went into college having started drawing my junior year of high school, and this is a piece I did in my Junior year. For me the amount of improvement I saw in myself was totally worth the money, and I feel confident that I will get a job in an art related field. Right now I just need to figure out where I want to be and what I want to do.

>>1508358
I try to soak in every critique and enjoy it while I'm in school because I know it's something I'll wish I had after I graduate. I'm glad you get it and don't regret your experience. Ringling is a great school.

Hey guys, a question about art school if you will.

I'm interested in Video Game Design, but more specifically, I want to be a character designer.
I know that means that I will have to learn how to learn figure drawing more than anything, this I understand.
I was just curious as to what colleges I should apply to, and basically what level I'd have to be at to get accepted.
I checked out Full Sail University, and they seem pretty decent and not extremely expensive. I was also looking at the Art Institute of Chicago, but I'm not really thinking that I'm good enough for that, and cash is a major problem. I can probably get grants and financial aid for my family situations and such though.

I'm just really worried about my skill level, especially because I don't have money. I've always got good grades in school, and I went to one of the top 50-100 schools in the US. I took advanced placement art and got a great grade on the exam, but is numbers enough? Skill level definitely has a big impact on whether or not you'd get accepted right?
Are they looking that you have the fundamentals? Growth? Work ethic? Effort? Skill? Determination? Passion?
I'm sure all of these have an impact, but what primarily should I work on?

http://www.deviantart.com/journal/DON-T-GO-TO-ART-SCHOOL-By-Noah-Bradley-388468361

I just read somewhere that the Royal Academy in London has no tuition fees. How does that work? Do you have to apply? What DO you pay?

>>1504441
Did you ever make signs for trader joes? I know I see these nicely crafted handmade ones whenever I go there

>>1508393
ouch, it's always icky to see how much americans have to pay for education.

>>1508393

>listening to someone with a deviantart account

nope

>tfw there are no 'atelier-schools' nearby
>only some pleb tier 'media&art college'

Such is life.

>>1508502
I understand an atelier school sounds romantic, classic, and respectable, but in reality, you're better off going to a fancy new art and design college that is more focused on the contemporary if you ever want to be marketable enough to pay your rent.

>>1508527
not the same OP, but thats a terrible idea. Doing some contemporary shit that you dont really grasp, or even care to grasp will never get you anywhere. Not to mention, unless your contemporary art ever gets famous through hype, youll less likely will be able to sell it compare to a nice commissioned portrait. Traditional art is much more steady.

"To the man who loves art for its own sake, it is frequently in its least important and lowliest manifestations that the keenest pleasure is to be derived" Conan Doyle

I just got accepted to a local school, I'm not really sure how good it is, but they seem to really want me to go. It's the only school I applied to because it seemed sorta realistic, but I didnt even finish the whole application on time so I thought it was too late for me to even keep trying- but they started calling me and emailing trying to help me get it all filled out. And I finally finished it all two days ago and yesterday I was called and told I've been accepted and given a scholarship (and possibly more financial aid to cover more?)
dang guys I guess I'm gonna be going to art school- I don't really have much educational opportunites aside from community college (which i was looking into but dang i got a big scholarship already)
I hope I'm not wasting my time oh gosh
But this seems like a nice school! I got to go one summer in sophmore year and it seemed really neat
I don't really know what I'm doing oh gosh

>>1508531
It's not about "getting famous". The thing about studying at a contemporary school (I'm only speaking for Illustration since it's what I know and what I study), you study the traditional methods in your fundamental terms. You gain the ability to become a fine art painter or whatever if you so choose. You can draw and paint anything when they're done with you. What they then do after you are skilled, is train you to create marketable work with your skills. However, at my school anyway, they train you to be ready for any market changes. Certain things are in style right now, in 10 years, that's likely not the case, but if you are skilled in the fundamentals, you can change with the times to accommodate anything.

I have a teacher that graduated from my school in 89. He has been teaching there through the majority of the 90's up until now and had a really successful illustration career up until recently when he quit that to focus on teaching. He told us a story about some people he knew that went to school with him in the 80's. These people learned how to use an airbrush really well (it was popular in 80's illustration) and then dropped out because they were getting good work. When the market/style changed, their careers ended. They didn't focus on the fundamentals enough, meanwhile, students like Mark Ryden who graduated in the same era from the same school studied the fundamentals heavily and have had successful careers that spanned decades.

>>1508531
I think you're thinking of "art" in the traditional sense of paintings on walls in the gallery. That is a very tough route to take. The fine artists' career can be pretty hit or miss. You can be the traditional "starving artist" or you can end up selling one painting for 7 figures if the market and collectors decide that there is value in your work. It really is quite the gamble.

I'm personally not brave enough to take that route. I'm studying a trade. I plan to obtain my income through a variety of sources. This publication, that publication, this publisher, that publisher, this retail outlet, that retail outlet, etc. Illustration can be a pretty steady career if you're a good people person and are well studied enough in the fundamentals to change with the trends.

Right now, the naive and hand drawn type seems to be the big thing. In 10 years, we'll probably look back at that shit and think, "oh god, that's so 20 teens." Anyone that takes up freelance illustration needs to be able to change to whatever trend comes next. But the work can be steady if you're skilled enough.

>>1508431
I went there
you have to apply like any other college and they don't have a huge intake
it's totally free, you pay for the cost of living

>>1508433
Haha, I have a friend that works as a freelance illustrator. Her main source of income is designing shit for Trader Joe's. She does do freelance stuff and sells a lot of prints of personal work, but I think she'd actually do better if she spent the 40 hours a week at trader joe's trying to source clients for her freelance work.

Not gonna lie, I'd totally take a job with Trader Joe's if it was on the creative end. I would love to paint the murals in their stores or designing their packaging. They have great typography and illustrations.

I live in Hollywood, their store on Vine between sunset and hollywood blvd has awesome murals of movie parodies. I think that would be completely fun to do.

If my job was to make price tags, fuck that, that's boring.

>>1508461
>Look at his art.
>Read what he said.
>thisniggerisright.jpg
just sayin

>>1508540
>Oh gosh

>>1508752
>by `LeSeanThomas, 1 day, 22 hours ago
Noah Bradley is not LeSean Thomas
just saying
internet is for people with reading comprehension

>>1508254
Thank you , >>1497552 will be really useful

>>1508764
>Implying I read the name in the title AND the name of the poster.
I replied when I was at "The $10k Ultimate Art Education", later I realized my mistake , so please, PLEASE! mighty quality censor of the internet, forgive my idiocy and lack of attention to the items you find relevant.

>>1508772
you are forgiven just this once, but take heed and never make the same mistake again or I WILL POST ABOUT IT AND YOU WILL READ IT AND CRY IN THE CORNER

>>1508783