/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1500388
One of these days I am getting a bigger scanner.

>>1500390
I've seen you here for a few months. You're improving, but what else are you doing besides drawing animu shit? I'd like to see some of your studies or something. Got any?

>>1500392
That anime shit is his studies.

>>1500388
>>1500390
So thick.
I know you are using real humans as reference, but don't go putting Miku faces on them, it looks really awkward considering how thin Miku is.

you might want to delete this one and start another with a better picture... just saying.

>>1500392
he spends like a week tweaking and refining one sketch.

its a perfect magnet for the garbage that will be posted ITT

Okay reposting
Please critique this time

As I said last time I think the nose might be too long but I can't see what else is going on with it.

>>1500390
redline about the perspective

>>1500411
I think the neck is too long, but it might be just me.

>>1500411
eyes too big, as in bigger than your biggest animu eye style.

>>1500392
I agree. can we see something else please?

PS problem:
How can I flip a picture over simply ??
Just like the "h" button in SAI

>>1500429
Use actions, make yourself a shortcut.

>>1500426
Umm...okay I think this was one of my last ones and it was three months ago.

Right now I've been trying to focus more on perspective than anything else and then I try to draw Animu in perspective just to keep things fun.

>>1500414
Thank you for the piece of advice and uh I forgot what I was trying to where the question mark is hehe. So does that mean that the lines on the stairs should follow the right vanishing point because it is closest to it?

I feel kinda dumb if that's the case, but oh well that's how you learn.

>>1500435
You just have to think about it. Visualize it in your mind and it's pretty easy to tell where the lines go to which VP. Just keep practicing. Sit down and just make boxes and stack them and try weird angles and shit. you'll get it

Slowly but surely, I'm finally starting to like the look of my lines.

>>1500442
Good because it's good.

>>1500443
I've been working so hard on it for so long anon... you have no idea how good that is to hear.

>>1500414
I disagree. The stairs do look a bit wonky but they should be following the left vanishing point. The stairs you drew would be perpendicular to the street instead of parallel like they are in the original image.

>>1500442
>>1500445
Well, keep it up. I still haven't become happy with mine yet.

>>1500451
I thought he/she was trying to make the stairs perpendicular to the street. OOPS

Oh god, I can't do this. Too many hands, arms, and fabric.

How do I into holding hands and foreshortening?

>>1500458
>How do I into holding hands and foreshortening?
Something like this.

For holding hands, I guess just google pictures of it. Start by constructing the palms and then go from there.

>>1500460
That's what I tried doing with her arm and it still ended up looking odd. Any more guides?

>>1500458
Hands=shit ton of hand studies, and I mean a shit ton.
Foreshortening= perspective, everyone woks a little differently here. Do a good study on perspective and gesture work using lines and curves. You mostly feel out the perspective on arms like that(imo), you have to learn to trust your eye and what looks natural. Doing some studies on cube forms may help as well.

>>1500433
I fixed the clock so far since I have posted it. The person that I am doing this wanted for the clock to say 12. And for there to be a moon and a black piano. The girl is supposed to be a gothic teenager. Any feedback would be great and thank you.

>>1500468
that right hand's pinky looks like a shrimp

Can someone red line this for me?

It kinda strayed from my original outline.

>>1500551
My outline

>>1500551
>>1500552

ignore that foot. I put that there to get an idea of what it would look like.

anyone feeling up for a redline?
About to drop the ink on this.

Think it looks good but more reviews can never hurt.w

>>1500555
You should try doing that pose.

>>1500461
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI

>>1500451
Looks wrong, post the orig. image.

parallel lines run to the same vanishing points mikufag.

>>1500551
horrible chicken scratches.

add parts of the background to give more context to the pose

>>1500555
This bend isn't possible. If you are doing an escher girl and don1t mind it that's fine.

>>1500564

I'll clean those lines up. I'm still not used to drawing on a tablet.

>>1500551
Try to avoid chicken scratching. Make lines continuously. Start doing it now.

>>1500570

Got it. Understood.

I just started drawing on a tablet and because of its position on my desk its hard for me to draw continuous straight lines.

But enough of my excuses. I'll get practicing.

Anyways, I'm still looking for someone to red line it.

>>1500400
I admire that to a degree. I have no patience for that sort of thing, if my initial rough sketches don't come out right within the first 10 minutes I scrap them and draw something else.

>>1500555
only drawing in here with good line-art
>>1500568
i dunno, I was able to do that just now on my bed.

>>1500551
The pose doesnt really make sense. Here's a quick redline of the same-ish pose but a bit more realistic. Not saying its perfect but its a bit closer to what the pose would actually look like.

You need to do a ton of gesture drawings to get your proportions down, with that chicken scratch its obvious you completely guessed the form one small line at a time. Practice doing quick poses composed of circles for the ribcage, pelvis and head.

>>1500603
I'm trying to make it so she's laying on her stomach and just slightly on her side.

Kinda like http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1438573?tags=on_stomach
but a different angle.
If that makes sense

>>1500587
haha i doubt that, try it again in front of a mirror

>>1500587
did you just samefag compliment, then defend yourself in one post?

>>1500614
it's not necessarily the artist's post just because he tried to do the pose

so I drew some kawaii americans

>>1500631
You're shit.

jelly amerifat detected

>>1500555

>>1500647
Teal, you never fail to amaze me.

>>1500645
Their hair looks delicious. I'm honestly jelly of of the painting on the skin though... but dat hair mang.

>>1500647
TEAL! You didn't leave us.

>>1500650
thanks, one of my goals to reach ishikei lvl coloring.

apparently i'm shit though, maybe I shouldn't post my scribble doodles

>>1500654
dems some nice sketches, but seriously really good shit. What do you use for your painting, software and tool wise? It looks spectacular.

>>1500659
it's just paint too sai

I use the water tool a lot, it's pretty godly

>>1500661
Never would have even thought to use the water tool for anything really. I usually just try to paint how I would traditionally, I appreciate it sir.

>>1500645
You've got some serious perspective issues there, the horizon breaks in two behind her

>>1500661
Teach me how to color in SAI oh wise one.

>>1500665
Not him, but after playing around with the tool a bit I think I get the gist of it. It's mainly used for blending, but it looks fantastic when used right. You lay down your colors and values as you would naturally, define the form and such, then you just use the water tool to blend them and come away with a very nice looking effect. So technical know how mixed with the right tools. Knowing how to paint and judging the light source are still key, the tool itself just gives it a very natural blend.

(or I think that's how it works anyways)

>>1499101
um, no?

>>1500395
Yeah, I get what you mean and sometimes I just pretend I am not drawing Miku but instead some cheap rip off with those twintails or whatever you want to call them.

>>1500563

>>1500685
did she die

captcha: offical peosa

>>1500685
the stairs are not pararell to the side of the building on this photo so even if they appear to tilt, they shouldn1t go to the same vanishing point

i think the tilt is photo distortion?

>>1500645
Do you think you could ever do a stream or a video of your colouring? It's insane.

>>1500701
I like his definition of the body but feel like it's wasted on awkward figures. Also while I appreciate the tone, the actual balance of colors is flat and unappealing to me.

>>1500713
I concur. The rendering itself is well done, but something about it just feels... off.

>>1500701
He is definitely on his way to improvement, but if you are willing to learn from him i have some bad news for you.

Just go read your color and lighting theory and do life color studies. There is no way nor a magic trick
around it.

>>1500654
>one of my goals to reach ishikei lvl coloring
The first thing that came to my mind when looking at your picture was Ishikei.
Keep fighting the good fight.

Don't quite like how the head turned out, I don't do this kinda blob heads very often

Anyone want to contribute their WIP or finished piece to be displayed as OP for the next thread? I would of definitely used someone else's work but...you know; I want the artist's consent before I begin another thread.

>>1500728
Alright, thanks.

I've been doing so many anatomy studies and still sucking at it, but the fact that I haven't done colour/composition/lighting work is making it really difficult to actually draw anything...

Can I get any feedback for the piano piece please?

>>1500645
It looks like they're floating on top of the sand.

>>1500752
Can you use my qt girl? I-I've always wanted my crap used as the thread picture.

this is my latest work of art

>>1500411
The chin is a little off ,everything else is perfect <3

>>1500666
For a paintings like this >>1500661 do you just put 2 colours on the lineart and then blend them in the right places with the water tool? Or you use more colours? And, is it okay to use very low opacity? Lately I am trying to paint with ~90% opacity and just make a lot of layers with different colours, because my paintings end up blurry. It doesn't help yet but I will see.

>>1500795
>Art

>>1500835
I usually have 3-4 skin tones, but that's really up to you. More color=more information. I also work on one layer, but we all work differently. Mess around with it a bit, do some studies, and I'm sure you'll get a decent effect with it.

>>1500835
Not him but I think the reason why yours ends up blurry because you aren't using soft and hard edges. There's a video by ctrl paint that covers this and it helps alot

>>1500746
well the Nova has a pretty large head in-game anyways. Looks cute as fuck by the way

>>1500647
Why does the forearm look broken in the redline? And what is going on with the face, its out of perspective with the head?

how's my eye?

>>1500864
Epic meme onii-chan.

>>1500864
that's a pretty done to death joke bro

>>1500858
Why don't you redline it then, faggot?

>>1500871
nothing wrong with burying it deeper

Are there any methods of "copying" another artist's style? I know it's good to develop your own, but I want to have a little fun drawing cute girls doing cute things in the midst of art lessons involving body shapes and squishy rectangles.

Pic related, this is what I want my art to look like.

Sorry if this upsets some of you guys, or if it's kinda obvious how to do so already.

I'm reading lots of Loomis/Vilppu already, and I kinda get how to emulate another style, but I just wanted to ask in case some of you have experience doing that already.

In the case of pic related, it just looks like the characters turn into partially meaty stick figures+big heads+nice, fruity coloring.

Artist is Takehito Harada in case anyone doesn't know/wants to know.

>>1500876
copy what you see

>>1500876
Udon put out a art book of Harada's art that shows some of his underdrawings and stuff.

>>1500879
Thanks! I guess that's the gist of it.

>>1500884
Holy shit really? I've been collecting Harada's art for as long as I can remember, this is very good to know.

>>1500884
Nevermind, I googled "udon harada artbook" and found it.

>>1500873

>>1500902
>not in perspective

>>1500903
>hating

>>1500647
T-Teal... You're not gone!

>>1500902
Its not broken, the bones of the arm that he drew was lining up with the wrist and the elbow
just fine, it might look broken because the upper muscles of the arm/elbow were too
exaggerated. I don't say that its an example that you can follow exact, but thats
not his redlines point anyway, his redlines are always stylized so they are not to be
taken as exact anatomical examples, if you don't want want to carry his stylization alone anyway.

>>1500924
>it might look broken

If it walks like a duck...

>his redlines are always stylized so they are not to be taken as exact anatomical example

So why give redlines if your 'style' can cause it to be misinterpreted?

>>1500902
>redlining a redline and making it worse
Ishiggydiggy

>>1500936
It made better actually
wish the anon would finish the whole thing though

>>1500934
Because he is not teaching you fundamental anatomy, he is trying to give him a more correct thinking in
constructing the figure, you can't learn anatomy from teal or any artist that does drawings from
imagination unless he is a master on the subject and he is trying to teach you just that,that is a given.
And you are saying it like the second redline is not stylized.

>>1500942

Making the shoulder mannish and removing the teres is not making something better.

Don't you all feel guilty speaking for someone? Redlines aren't an ultimatum, and Teal doesn't work for you.

>>1500661
>:>

I like where this is going.

>>1500945

It's just redline, take it or leave. It looked broken, So I made 'more correct'.

>>1500955
You made it shitty.

>>1500964

Don't hate, cause you can't relate

can't into backgrounds
what am I looking for here? a flat color? what tone, then?

it looks flat as it is

>>1500976
Start with middle grey next time and go from there. Then at least you don't have to deal with that.

>>1501002

>>1500390

Post your reference Miku. Remember to always post your reference.

>>1501028

Never mind. I found it in the thread.

>>1501002

>>1501034

I'd venture to guess it's a joke. Do we have a "This is a Joke." image?

>>1500685
>>1500390

>>1500876
Do lots of studies. Make accurate measurements (proportions, faces, etc) and try to reproduce them yourself. It's really about understanding what makes them stand out and why you like them.

>>1501034
>>1501044
>>1501059

Stop shitting up the thread. Go troll somewhere else. Leave.

>>1501086
But that picture is in 3-point perspective.

>>1501147

Not exactly. The term "3-point perspective" describes perspective that is defining all 3 dimensional axes: x, y, and z.

Adding additional vanishing along the horizon does not make for 3-point perspective; you are simply defining secondary x and y axes.

>>1501156
No I'm saying the camera is placed in a way that the buildings are converging to a point above the horizon.

Somewhat irrelevant to the stairs though. :3x

>>1501159
in reality everything converges. perspective projection isn't real it's just a model. you can choose how many points to use based on your requirements.

>>1501159

You can take anything to it's logical extreme, Miku. Look up infinite-point perspective (yes, it exists) if you want to go hardcore-architect-modo.

Granted, I can't say you aren't wrong. Lol It's definitely there. Pic related

However, remember that perspective should serve your drawing, not debilitate it. It shouldn't get in the way of your creativity. The best advice my tutor ever gave me: "make it look right, but don't worry about it being correct."

>>1501165
That was not I, by the way. But thank you for the redline I'll read up your notes as soon as I am done from work.

>>1501165

Holy fuck.

>>1500727
I think....it's because it doesn't have enough reddish hues in there. Looks a bit plastic with just orange.

>teal posts
>haters and dickriders immediately shit up the thread

This is getting old

>>1501213

Let it be.

>>1501214
This is bait.

>>1501223

How? I was saying to ignore them.

Scanned the second half, sorry for tardiness. Time to move onto more perspective stuffs, honestly I never thought I would get this far and I can only imagine how I would be drawing a year from now if I keep this up. So much more to learn, the ride never ends :3

>>1500647
h-holy fuck... those eyes... did I just discover who the hell you really are?!

>>1501259
Teal shall forever remain an enigma, the more you try and understand the more complex Teal gets!

What a guy :3

First 5 min. sketch <-> Several hours later latest version

Previous version before major changes..
>>1498715

i made this some time ago... im gonna clean it and make it better

>>1501274

turd-polishing level: maximum

Seriously just scrap it, it's FUBAR. Her face is lopsided, her eyes are crooked and different sizes, and her head is too small.

>>1501257

Get Matt Kohr's vids at least

or ill fuck you in the butt

Then do Scott Robertson's 1st video

>>1500853
I guess I succeeded then

>>1501280
Maybe I also pushed the values on the mid-face way too much.

Anyway, I know it has its fair share of issues but I think I can still save it.

Thanks for the input.

>>1501283
>I think I can still save it.
That's a dangerous mindset to have. It's better to stop and start over than to keep on working on something that is flawed at a fundamental level.

Take the file, throw it in the recycling bin, clear it. Then do it again. You have to learn to not be so attached to your art that you can't realize when to start over.

http://ctrlpaint.com/videos/mastering-the-art-of-letting-go

>>1501284
>not keeping your old art for future comparison

>>1501294
>>1501284
This is why I think its a good idea to keep a sketchbook blog. You can keep track of your progress without having to store countless files.

>>1500948
Still better than broken, disproportionate spider limb

>>1501295

You could just dump them in a folder and when you needed to find something use the find function or sort by date. Put them on an external drive if you're worried about space.

>>1501257
You should really practice proportions via gesture drawing or something like that. Really helps you out with understanding the ratio of limbs and torso in different poses - or at least it worked for me

>>1501274
Eyes are way too big for a semi realistic style, it just looks weird since there isn't really much stylization on them. They are just huge human eyes, looks like an owl or tarsier - human hybrid.

>>1501301
This, it's all about the mileage. Spending so much time on one big drawing isn't going to do you a lot of good. A bunch of sketches though, that's how to improve right thur.

>>1501305
Doing gestures helped me sketch with far better proportions than what I ever learned from doing wireframes, those never worked for me

>>1500551

Here's my go. How do I Eva? Those ears threw me off. And the perspective. And the twist of the torso.

Ugh.

I just bought myself a small Intuos 5 and first time ever using a drawing tablet... what software do you guys suggest? I've seen SAI being used here before and have heard mixed opinions about photoshop.

>>1501462

>I've heard

Just use the trials of each to find which one you like. Saying "I've heard from so-and-so" implies you already have a bias. Just whatever you do, don't pirate SAI. It's cheap and was designed to be affordable.

>>1500913
nig

>>1501463
Thanks, and you guys were not kidding when you said that it is much different from drawing on a sketchbook...good lord.

>>1501466
Okay I know this board isn't meant for drawing tablets but I feel you guys have much more experience than anyone else.

I've noticed I tend to use my wrist now and already it aches...what's your thought on upgrading to a bigger tablet say a medium sized one; would it help avoid using your wrist?

>she will never knock you out

>>1501557
I have a small and its perfectly possible to use you whole arm, just takes a bit of discipline. But I would buy a bigger one if I had the money.

>>1501557
It usually take a couple of weeks/months to get used to tablets, wait till you feel more comfortable before deciding.

>>1501557
I started out with a small one... but quickly updated to a medium! To me it feels like a world of difference, have not regretted it!

>>1501560

Everything you post has signature same face. I recognize it every time you post, and that isn't a good thing.

>>1501576
We've already been through this, anon.

>>1501557
I had wrist pains and it was like an arm workout first time I used my tablet years ago. 2 months later, I powered through it and it feels natural now.

>teal's lines on imgur front page

hah

>>1501609

Oh god, no.

>>1501619
>that gif

>>1501609

>over 3000 views and climbing

It's pretty safe to say that less that 100 people actively browse /ic/. Were all of those views accrued today?

>>1501628
>It's pretty safe to say that less that 100 people actively browse /ic/.
I wouldn't say so. Maybe active posters, but I imagine the number of people who browse and don't post is much higher.

>>1501609

>wait wait wait what... "buy" SAI? People do that?
>Looks like this person suffers from what an audiophile does. They can't appreciate body art since they see so many flaws in it.
>All i saw was boobs. and vagina
>It's his style, I don't think they're supposed to be realistically proportioned...
>...all the girls in their "line" form look bondaged up. Giggity.
>Someone studied Leonardo Da'Vinci
>A bit too manga influenced, but still very helpful.

All these comments... i-is this the end?

Would anyone be kind enough to red line (in another color) the right arm holding the sword?

>>1501609
fuck it. i accidentally published it. +1000 views in a few hours, not bad.

>>1501636

Somebody didn't draw a rough outline first before diving into details

>>1501644
Sure but that's just how I choose to do things. I won't conform to your "loomis" style or whatever.

>>1501644
That's actually my second sketch of it. Haven't even put on all the details or even started a final lining.

>>1501646

Okay

Have fun barely progressing as an artist

>>1501646
it shows.

>>1501646
>>1501647
>>1501648
You guys are so gullible.

so ?

>>1501635

>Hell yes /ic/ represent!

>>1501609
>Hate to be critical here, but the blue-liner has a better understanding of perspective than the anatomy. Advice be flawed, yo.
>indeed. he corrects things that need no correction. and the proportions are pretty far from realistic.
...

>>1501663
is she jumping or tiptoeing?

>>1501666
didn't think it through. maybe ascending or floating

>>1501669
try redrawing it with floating+ascending in mind and see where that gets you

>>1501635
>>1501664
>>1501665

Welp, so long guys. I feel violated and I've officially come to terms with the inescapable fact that there is no hope for the human race.

See you next life.

>>1501665
Did they even actually read what he was fucking saying at all

About how yes you can stylize but the perspective and placement and internal rules need to be consistent, and then it can look as good or better than realism?

>>1501681

>thinking imgur users actually read

It's more than 10 words and not in impact font, it's too long.

>>1501683
>imgur users
Lol there is such a thing? I only use that site if I want to create a link to one of my pictures...

>>1501681

>>1501681

>thinking imgur users actually read

If it's more than 10 words and not in impact font, it's too long.

>>1501685

Sorry. I forgot my pic. Yeah. It's one of the many "meme sharing" sites, like 9fag.

>>1501609
>A bit too manga influenced, but still very helpful.

WELL FUCKING GEE

>>1501274
Is that suppose to be labris or something?

>>1501609
>HOLY FUCKING SHIT! This guy just did a 50 slide deconstruction of some dude's drawing. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

>>1501609
>This has only taught me that I suck.
Average /ic/ user

>>1501284
I appreciate the critique but most of my works have received the same comments. Even so I finished them and I believe I got a bit better by doing so (image related).

That said, I don't know what I was thinking when I submitted my latest one, I should stop posting at night :/

>>1501708
I keep changing characters/theme depending on my mood and/or how the drawing/painting "develops", I rarely have a clear vision of what I want to draw (pic related)

In the current case I started by drawing a very rough Miku sketch, then Labrys for most of the time and now Rin when I realized that I have not draw anything Vocaloid related in a while and the hair,face shape, features kind of fit.

>>1501609
I'm glad people are learning from his advice.

But oh god, those comments. I really wish I hadn't looked.

>>1501609

>Can someone explain to me what /ic/ is or give me a link to where this guy teal lines stuff...? *hangs head in dumbness*

It's been fun, guys. May death come swiftly and painlessly to all of you.

Thread theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

these are known as the most cancerous threads on /ic/ for a reason. you deserve whats coming

>>1501762

>cancerous
>implying anything will actually happen

>>1501764
>implying the faggot didn't go and tell him

>>1501772

Seriously, nothing is going to fucking happen.

If they stay and aren't retarded, no one is going to care.

>>1501764
What did that comment say?

good work imugr guy, its not like they werent in the sticky already...oh wait

>>1501777

>these are known as the most cancerous threads on /ic/ for a reason. you deserve whats coming

>>1501787

I think it's the same album...?

I think this turn of events is pretty funny

Better just rename this thread Teal General

dat arm... ya fucked up pretty bad.

1. Any glaring errors to fix before going further?
2. What character should this be anyway?

I'm tired of all the teal dick suckers. He posts something and the rest of the thread turns into "omg teal ur go great", it's like they don't even read his critiques.

>>1501894
thank you for your input

>>1501894
Wait..you mean Teal's posted in this very thread? Where is he?! I must smell him!

>>1501905
>I must smell him!

>>1501892

Dispose.

Do some studies.

Get out of animu for awhile.

I'm sick of you naivist little fucks shitting on what the purpose of these threads originally were, to learn an apply fundamentals to stylization

You don't give a shit about form
You don't give a shit about perspective
You don't give a shit about craft or line quality

Care. Please. Care about what you're doing. THINK about what you're doing.

Fucking blind leading the blind I'm sick of this place

>>1501914
>its summer
>people are easily going to misunderstand the point of a "animu/mango" thread
Gotta learn to deal and just give the best advice you can. I've had to tell numerous people in these threads to go and get a foundation before stylizing. If anything these threads should be presented only to help people stylize once they have built up their foundation. We should make that clear in the main post.

>>1501914
>the purpose of these threads originally were, to learn and apply fundamentals to stylization

>M-MUH LOOMIS

No they're not. They're about drawing weeaboo shit, plain and simple. Who cares how you got to the end result. So long as it looks weeaboo.

If you want to pooh-pooh your 'fundamentals' on others go ahead. But that's not what these cancer containment threads are about. It's about drawing 'Animu' and redlining other peoples shit with your own shit, and visa versa. Nobody is required to adhere to someone elses principles. You either take the advice or leave it. You either give your own shit, or shit on others'. And like wise, expect others to do the same to you.

>>1501894
What are you talking about? I like him because of his critique.

>>1501952
>Who cares how you got to the end result. So long as it looks weeaboo

Can't believe i'm seeing this shit on /ic/

I'm going to make you dinner using a bunch of random shit as long as it's edible it shouldn't matter right?

hope you like glass

>>1501973
>edible (Fit to be eaten)
>glass

>>1501973
>I'm going to make you dinner using a bunch of random shit as long as it's edible it shouldn't matter right?

If it tasted delicious would you expect a complaint?

In drawing, if the end results are pleasing, why should it matter how you got to it? When you look at drawing you're not exposed to the process, you're only seeing the end result. If all anyone will ever see is your final drawing, then why should it matter how you drew it? If it looks good, who the cares if you used the 'fundamentals'? Only people with some kind of aspergers would become butthurt over a pleasing and correct drawing if they found out the artist didn't utilize 'MUH FUNDAMENTALS'.

The biggest reason why /ic/ is full of shit quality artist, such as yourself and some here, is because the majority are autistically focused on adhering to some particular procedure, and they ignore the based thing when drawing--problem solving. Most d/ic/ks are too infatuated with preaching, rather then with learning about improvisational skills and visual acuity. The biggest joke however, is that nearly everyone who screeches 'fundamentals' can't explain how, why or when they work. All you retards can do is fall back on cliche remarks and troped aphorisms.

You don't suck because your fundamentals are lacking. You suck because you don't think for yourself.

>>1501609
Someone post the link

>this much shitposting
OP, just delete the thread and try again.

>>1502000
Why is it shitpostiong only when *you* say it is?

>>1501993
>imma justify why i don't wanna get better

Been there done that, you'l change your mind when you leave puberty.

I've been getting a bit board drawing little girls with huge butts and boobs. so I wanna learn how to draw mecha shit, specifically mecha musume. anyone have resources for that kind of stuff?

>>1501997
imgur.com

>>1502016
>I've been getting a bit board drawing little girls with huge butts and boobs.
Finally, uh, I mean..

This is really good, but the boobs look weird.

>>1502016

http://www.busou.konami.jp/figure/catalog.php

>>1502000

These threads have a dedicated troll/trolls who have less life/more time to shitpost than 10 people making positive contributions. Learn to ignore it.

>>1502016
Does she only have one humongous tits? Where's the other one?

>>1502016
Tits look a bit off. The nipple points outward, but it looks like her tit is pointing off to the side.

Otherwise I like this new direction you're taking.

Give me some advice plz

>>1502037
Colored

>>1502038
And the last one.

>>1502037
>>1502037
that's not how you shoot a bow
its something more like this, when kneeling at least

>>1502039
the foreshortening is a little weak in this one. it looks like link has a midget arm at first glance.
try holding a sword like that. it would be extremely uncomfortable and awkward.

>>1502028
dunno, it makes sense my head. she's leaning back

>>1502047

Ideally, for a bow of that size, the hand that draws the string should be to the side of the face or further back, not in front of the mouth as if holding a cigarette.

>>1502050
Oh crap. I didn't see that.

>>1502016
While the butts and boobs aren't nearly as big as you normally draw...you're still drawing little (?) girls with big butts and boobs. Maybe try toning down her breasts so they're normal size? Or even go for some DFC.

>>1502013
The reason why *you* don't get better is because you waste time prescribing some stupid mindless allegiance to whatever popular notion. You rather showcase that you're a part some drawing ideology, then think for yourself. You're a piece of shit artist who thinks he has gotten in on some secret, because you able demonstrate a kind of mimicry.

It's extremely simple: You don't think for yourself is the reason why you suck. How on earth could you interpret that as "imma justify why i don't wanna get better"? Keep replying, please. It's fascinating to watch an asperger prone d/ic/k defend his ultimate ignorance.

>>1502067

>>1502069
Is that it? Where's the usually cult like 'fundamentals' spew? Where's the "you lazy stupid fucks don't get it" preaching? Where's that familiar /ic/ bullshitting to convince me that you know what drawing is *really* all about. I was completely serious when I said, "It's fascinating to watch an asperger prone d/ic/k defend his ultimate ignorance."

>reasoning with the hacks that post in the cancer thread
why.jpg

this is where we let the morans spin their wheels and develop crippling habits.

>>1502076
Oh man, you can't make this shit up.

>>1502013
STOP. FUCKING. REPLYING. TO TROLLS.

HIDE HIS FUCKING POSTS, REPORT THEM IF YOU MUST, BUT THE FUCK'S SAKE, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT AND DON'T ENGAGE THEM. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST AS MUCH A SHITPOSTER AS HIM.

>>1501257
Legs are too short. In the reference the ratio of legs to upper body is 1:1. In your pic it's more like 0,8:1

>>1502081
This is bait.

>>1502083
>so edgy
>projecting

now the triad of butthurt is complete

>>1502080
But you can however make up a ton shit about drawing. That's funny, especially in threads like these.

>>1502083
>TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO RESPOND TO TROLLS IS TROLLBAIT
>MFW

>>1502085
I'm completely ready to listen to you so as to relieve my butthurtedness. Please help me.

>>1502088
>Bitching about trolls while being a troll
>Using ALL CAPITALS to cry harder

Follow your own advice and ignore it. Or better yet, take your fucking social crusade and stick it up your ass.

Oh, /ic/ don't you even change :3

>>1501993
>In drawing, if the end results are pleasing, why should it matter how you got to it?

Its never going go be. Or to say it even better, the person that has his fundamentals
down will always draw technically better than you. The question is what you are satisfied with,

some people get to the point of drawing a believable figure and a sameface and say thats good enough,
but some people want to go further than that. It comes down to what your end goal is.
If you don't learn the basics of drawing properly, you are going to be very limited to what you can create.

>>1502047
Thanks for the info, the errors came right from my lack of knowlege.

Pic unrelated, some old study I did on the female face.

All that matters really is the end result - while I still recommend every artist to get their fundamentals down, explore different art styles and broaden their horizons, there are artists out there who are successful even without getting their fundamentals down - this isn't because they think they don't need it, but it's because they've found their market, their niche. And that's really the only way to get successful as an artist in the field, finding your niche. Some markets require art that is so stylized and cartoony that it doesn't even matter if you actually do or don't know your fundamentals - as long as the work you output is up to par with the industry standards, or better.

Should you still learn fundamentals though? Fuck yes, because to me, that's the only way to grow as an artist, maybe even as a person, I dunno.

>>1502104
What are her hands supposed to be doing? They look kind of awkward.

>>1502097
You don't understand the question. If the picture is technically correct, why should it matter *how* they did it? Or to put it another way if you can't tell the difference between a work derived from a certain process and a work that wasn't, then why should that matter? This isn't rocket science. It shouldn't it matter. If someone didn't implement the procedure you're prescribing and still was able to produce a superior work, you have no grounds to chastise. And anyone who says using a certain procedure will always produce a superior work is a fucking mindless pussy. You're basically saying someone else's work is counterfeit because they didn't do it the way you would have done it. And you're saying despite the final result. If the end result can't be distinguished from a work that followed a procedure, why should that bother you? It's a completely asinine believe to hold, to believe a ritualistic adherence to some drawing ideology will always produce superior work. That's literally puts you on the same trajectory as all the other shit-tier artists that don't develop "da' fundamentals".

>>1502113
You also didn't get what i wanted to say. What i said is that there is a limit to what you can create without knowing
the fundamentals.

Will you be able to create acceptable, somewhat technically correct anime figures and simple non complex backgrounds without the fundamentals? yes, with enough time and practices you will.

But thats it, as the above person said, you can get into the niche market and be satisfied but you will be trapped to your "niche"
and you will never go above the average level just by trial and error.

And as i said before, if thats good enough for you then so be it, there are lots of artist that stop there, but you cant be so delusional
to believe that you will be making stunning pieces with complex perspective and composition and flawless figure drawing with trial and error.

And no, you can't be technically correct without knowing the fundamentals, there will be noticeable flaws in the quality of your work
no mater how hard you try, and there is the paradox, if you did not learn any of the fundamentals in the progress, you are not really
trying hard, you are just playing around in your comfort zone.

>>1500581
You shouldn't be admiring that at all, what you're doing is much better

It should be required to post your work with every comment. Would cut down the shitposting by 99%

>>1502101
>>1502097
>>1502128

According to the sticky the fundamentals are: Basic Shapes; Anatomy & construction; Light & Value; Perspective; Colour; Composition. And accordingly prescribes certain methodologies of each via a particular Artist.

It doesn't matter if you can barely draw a stick figure - we've got a book to fix that.
~From the sticky.

Ignoring the self contradictory parts, we'll notice a general declaration of /ic/'s procedure to drawing, utilizing those so called fundamentals: establish a perspective, produce a gestural skeleton, box in the forms, and flesh it out. That's basically it, with each part adhering to a particular Artist's system of rote. It's implied that what is shown is the model for improving. And then it's preached on the board that anyone who doesn't follow suit must have something fundamentally wrong with them for not adhering to the fundamentals.

How, for example was some one like Michelangelo able to produce such a drawing as posted, when he didn't utilize any of the procedures or fundamentals as championed by the sticky? According to any d/ic/k who says a drawing sucks because the person didn't get their fundamentals down, it should then follow that Michelangelo's drawing sucks. He didn't Loomis, he didn't Vilppu, he didn't Hampton, ergo his work sucks

Do you people even hear yourselves sometimes?

>>1500435
Oh yea remember that my god hahahahaha you're never going to improve holy shit

>>1502135
because of course everyone is Michelangelo, right?

>>1502135
fundamentals aren't procedural, they're elements of a drawing, all [representational] drawings have basically the same elements: light, texture, form, and space (which is basically the same list only less confused). it doesn't matter how you get these elements lined up the drawing is proficient.

>>1502145
i should say at the end
but if they are the drawing is proficient.**

>>1502135
By not knowing the fundamentals i mean those people who draw only by observing a certain style/type of
drawing and know no theory about anything. Its only natural that you will be surpassed by almost anyone

who dose the same style as you but also studied the fundamentals while you spend all your life
trying to reinvent everything.

Also whats with the Michelangelo argument? i am not going to pretend that i am an art history expert
because i am not, but Michelangelo was an art apprentice from his very early life, he didn't reinvent
everything, he just expanded his foundation skills that got from his teachers.

>>1502016
Here's a red line I did, more studies!

>>1502050
That spine-twist still just looks painful. And note that many have commented on this. No matter if it makes sense in your head, if it doesn't look good to a few or more other people, then there really is something that just doesn't look right with it!

>>1502164
Since when did 0033 speak fluently english and browse /ic/

>>1502176
Since today

>>1502164

>what is this

I think in the sketch, it's a rifle magazine. It looks like she's holding a gun in the sketch, but he put down the lines for the gun before he finished the face so it looked weird. Granted it would make absolutely no sense to have the receiver behind the trigger mechanism.

>>1501914
Man, really? It lacks all fundamentals? I erased away the little perspective lines and Loomis skeleton, but does it really look like I never bothered with them to begin with? I know I'm a beginner, but is it that apparent?

>>1502212
Don't give up anon-san you just gotta keep at it !

>>1502164

>Redline creates a completely different figure and idea.

Sorry for the shitty background, I didn't know what to do with it so I just slapped on whatever. I'm not really used to using Sai or coloring in general so any feedback would be nice

>>1502212
Your perspective is fucked, but it wasn't that bad. I could personally tell you have a bit of a grasp on gestures and such, he was just butthurt and decided to take it out on you. That's a hard pose to get, and it's usually built with box forms. I would try that rather than just going for it.

>>1502164
>Mg
..........god this reminds me of free body diagrams

Drew Annie Leonhardt from Shingeki no Kyojin. Spend 2 or 3 hours on this shit

>>1502263
Tears don't come out from there.

>>1502264
Buh..buh in muh japanese animu it does!

>>1502263
i guess you used this picture for refrence? its tilted forward, thats why the nose looks like that, in your picture it looks wierd

the eyebrows are too far up

annies upper eyelid-lines should be heavier

make the mouth and the pupils

otherwise, good job

>>1502264
I thought they were something else holy shit

captcha: mouth juice

>>1502273
whoops

the fuck do I do now?

>>1502294
>New Layer
>Lineart
or
>New Layer
>Paint over sketch

>>1502299
I'll try to paint it
So you think everythink looks right?

>>1502313
A bit chicken scratchy and flat, but painting it would be good practice.

>>1502294
>>1502313
>you think everythink looks right?

The crop at the ankle is awkward, and makes her pose unclear. Is her leg resting on something?

>>1502294
>>1502299
Not that person, but anybody have tips about painting over? It's so messy when I try and it ends up omitting a lot of details from the sketch.

>>1502331
See if you can find demo videos of professional illustrators painting traditionally. The approach would be similar even if you're working digitally. What I'd do after an initial color wash is to block in the shadow masses first, then midtones, then deep shadows and highlights.

Here's a few examples:
Jeff Miracola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD7YK9SYCZo#at=170

Scott Waddell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqLSivFZ2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNkMFlmTduE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZzc3vZd9W4

Dan Dos Santos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqjWP18hPHE

>>1502331
I like to do it like this:
>put a new layer under your sketch and lay down the base colors.
<make a new layer on top of that again, set it too multiply, lower the opacity to 40-50 % and pic a dark bluish purple to paint down the basic shades with (simple cell shading)
>make another layer on top of that again, set it to overlay and choose a very light-desaturated yellow and put in some highlights roughly.
>knock together all layers and paint from there!

You can separate background from the figure and such if you prefer, off course. And make additional layers after you've started painting for various effects.

>>1502340
Gah, I fail at green text!

>>1502334
Thanks, saved all those videos.

>>1502340
Never considered using multiply/overlay... Why do you do that? I thought people just blocked colours ontop on normal layers.

i have a problem

>>1502342
It's just a way to keep it simple in the beginning. Putting the shades and light in with "cell-shading technique" forces you to interpret colors and values very basic and as distinct areas. I find that it gives me a good clear starting point to paint from.

>>1502344
The problem is gesture.

>>1502344
>zit nipples

>>1502359
>>1502344
your lines look really nice though.

>>1501304
Thanks, I hope this is enough stylization. I had to fix my construction and redraw most of it.

>>1502376
Forgot the file.

>>1502362
I wonder what your lines looks like

>>1502164
thanks for the red line, I will def. move that leg over to balance out the figure.I just really love over exaggerated, ridiculous anatomy and hyper extended spines. funny you should mention blade and soul because I really like the stylization in that game. I definitely should draw more real people but I find it really boring unless its a joke (picture like this.)

>>1502148
The problem with that way thinking is it ignores the obvious: your fundamentals are actually style. The fundamentals aren't as fundamental as you may think they are. They are methodologies utilized to get a certain look. They already are a theory prescribing a style.

So in essence when you tell someone they need to practice the fundamentals you're really saying they should copy your style. If you can't see the irony in that, then you're no better than the cancerous shit tier animu artists who whine 'that's just my style'.

It's completely contradictory to tell someone they need to learn your prescribed fundamentals before learning any style, when your fundamentals already are a style.

Ask this simple question: What makes the fundamentals so fundamental?

If you're thinking it's because you can apply them anywhere to get a certain quality. You overlooking something crucial. What gives them that common utility in the first place? Wouldn't that be the real fundamental instead? And you're also implying they are a style--they are used to get a certain look.

The Michelangelo example is a problem for d/ic/ks becuase his foundation is counter to what is preached. Firstly, Michelangelo started learning the Arts at 14, nearly twice the age of the average apprentice. And he started learning the same way nearly all apprentices did--went straight into to copying master drawings line for line. According to current d/ic/k theory that should produce erroneously drawings.

The real reason why some artist go onto to higher mastery then most, is because they learned to think and reinvented fundamentals for themselves personally. They stopped following others and started think for themselves. That's the true fundamental.

>>1502377
I think I'm going to leave the chin-strap asymmetrical on purpose but please let me know if you see something wrong.

>>1502443
Not the poster.

But man I never thought I could find this kind of wisdom on /ic/ (no sarcasm). Well played, sir.

>>1502476
In the animu thread, at that.

I'm glad someone had the patience to explain that as well.

>>1502443
Quality posts for giving me new insight/perspective.

took a break on the mecha girl in an attempt to combine realism with animu tyle

>>1502443
You start with fundamentals, and that's how the body works and is constructed. And yes, you could learning this by watching some other ppl works. But your understanding would be a lot mor slower, unless you dedicate a great amount of time to your work, like the old great masters.

And, now, look at the women draw/sculpted by Michelangelo. Look how manly they are and his poor understanding of female anatomy.

>>1502443
saved in my 'notes on art' doc