/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Something weird I had made years ago.

>>1494357
>more to layer textures and plains that intersect one another.
gotcha, yeah, that was what i was talking about. sorry if i'm not...familiar with the exact terms. i like what you're doing with the intersecting planes, it just seems a bit like you could maybe make the divisions between those planes more extreme at points?

>Oil
wow, that's...that's pretty incredible tbh, it looks like a digital painting.

>>1494361
lol i remember this

heres one from back when i thought it was cool to paint like a hipster

>>1494366
>2 faces
why

>>1494369
we all have at least two faces

>>1494363
>wow, that's...that's pretty incredible tbh, it looks like a digital painting.
Thanks, it's a very simple grattage method combined with one stroke stuff, in where two layers are blended together simply from scraping the paint in patterns and long strokes.

Similar process is used in this one, though this picture really does it no justice as it's 6'x2'

>>1494366
i like this, i wish the background had visible hard strokes too though.

OP of previous painting thread here lol

Progress of two of my paintings. Didn't do much for the past few days.

>>1494371
I like these a lot. I'd hang them on my walls. Have you considered using a more impasto technique with them? The colors are beautiful and the forms are really interesting but they do seem quite...shallow? flat?

>>1494373
god, that mirror really threw me off for a second. i like the one on the left, really sparse use of color variation.

>>1494373
The one on the right reminds me of an aquarium.

>>1494373
I honestly think that one on the left is stronger because it captures something that I don't see on the right. It's still a WIP though, so

>>1494377
>Have you considered using a more impasto technique with them?
This might be due to photo quality.
These are covered in such thick saturated (with linseed) oil paint that the texture becomes plastic or leather in quality.

These canvases literally lay flat and are covered with paint and linseed oil until they are covered in a kind of glaze. They take weeks to dry properly. But it's worth the wait. It's as if I have a canvas made of mirror like plastic.

>>1494381
its like the most amazing hotwheels track ever

>>1494382
One stroke grattage is super fun, especially when you're playing with paint that has the texture of warm syrup.

This one is less thick and layered, to give it more of a leather texture.

>>1494377
Oh I guarantee there's going to be impasto once I continue working on them, since I love me some thick paint application.

I feel I'm almost done with the one on the left, while the one on the right is still at its underpainting phase.


I wonder what happened to that idiot from the previous thread said all traditional painting should be under "sketchbook" or "draw" thread lol.

>>1494383
bicycle tire factory caught on fire

interesting stuff for sure

>>1494380
it's just a more complete composition atm i'm pretty sure

>>1494381
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that's great
i never even thought of scraping paint OFF the canvas, ever
i really, really like these. do you have a website or da or tumblr or anything?

>>1494383
if you took out the red at the bottom this would look like a really drunk Stella piece.

>>1494384
i was actually talking to Mister Grattage here but that's cool :)
glad you're not finished with the one on the right, definitely needs some more work. do you intend to have similar color structure (to the one on the left) or not so much?

>>1494386
Only other one I have photographed like this right now isn't photographed very good. It looks a whooole lot deeper in person.

This one is a finger painting.

>>1494389
this is the best one

>>1494388
Here's my DA. I need to get more of my paintings up there.

http://robmeriwether.deviantart.com/

I have another one of these kinds of paintings, diamond shaped 40"x40" and it's deep mauve in color. I just need to get better at taking pictures haha.

>>1494388
>A really drunk stella piece

Oh God frank stella is crazy.

>>1494389
hhnngg
you can't really see it in this picture (only one i could find) but the structure of it (two circular forms of interweaving "strings") reminded me a lot of the art on the interior of the case for TKOL RMX 1234567.

>>1494392
awesome stuff. you are seriously on to something with these crazy-ass noodle paintings.

>>1494393
straight up madness.

>>1494394
Much appreciated. Yeah. I'm not sure why I keep making these swirl shapes or the grattage stuff.

I'll be back. Going to try and take some pics.

>>1494411
they're great! having such a concentrated aesthetic is a dream. can't wait to see more.

Ok, shitty photo quality coming through.

>>1494448

>>1494449

>>1494448
>>1494449
>>1494451
augh these are exciting

>>1494448 especially, how the HELL did you get that kind of shading? this piece must be absolutely abyssal in person.

>>1494449
this is sweet too, digging the brightened-up tips on each stripe. the light gradient makes this look a lot like seaweed, underwater. that blotch in the middle of it definitely needs to go, though.

>>1494451
this is...eh, not so much. the composition and color aren't nearly as monolithic as the others. as a section of a larger piece depicting a wetlands scene this would be fantastic, but as a freestanding composition it doesn't really hold up terribly well.

>>1494455
Thanks, I appreciate the compliments and the constructive feedback.

>how the HELL did you get that kind of shading?
Sponge and fingers.

>>1494456
Well, it's brilliant. If you kept pursuing that cathedral-like depth and lighting you could make some seriously, seriously astonishing pieces. Thank you a ton for uploading these.

>>1494456
Ah sorry, to correct. Not a sponge, a painting rag.

>>1494458
No problem, and thanks for the compliments.

>>1494460
Yup. I'm checking out, early day tomorrow. I added you on DA. keep painting.

So it seems like someone deleted my own thread for me since I didn't know how to delete my own thread.

Abstract Art Is Just Another Face
Oil on canvas

>>1494799
>>1494800
looks a lot like Elaine de Kooning's paintings.
i'd try blending the brushstrokes more? it's an interesting aesthetic, but very...blocky, pixelated almost.

>>1494802
wow he's insanely amazing. didnt know him before, although i've heard of his name

>>1494803
>He

Nigga pls, she was willems gf.

>>1494366
fugg i would have liked it id it was 1 face

Beautiful Stranger in the City of Blinding Lights
Oil on canvas

I posted this before, but it got deleted, so I am uploading it again for you guys to see.

>>1494803
lel
"he"
Elaine de Kooning was married to Willem de Kooning, whom you're probably thinking of. she took a lot of influence from his figurative works, pic related

The interpersonal and artistic dynamic between them is pretty fascinating tbh; with the women artists of the AI movement (de Kooning and Lee Krasner specifically) there was a serious struggle to be taken seriously and appreciated by their husbands / male artist counterparts (de Kooning and Pollock, respectively).

>>1494811
lee krasner fucking sucked

>>1494817
fuk u

>>1494811
Don't forget Charlotte Park and James D. Brooks. They were an abstract expressionist couple. I don't know anything about their interpersonal artist relationship.

>>1494817
She did some alright work.

>>1494820
i had never looked at their work, actually, but damn, i like a lot of it.
the forms remind me a lot of diebenkorn.

>>1494824
Charlotte Park. I always see a cheetah in this.

>>1494826
nah, that's clearly a swarm of bees.

>>1494826
>>1494829

>>1494829
Nah, man, srsly - check out this cheetah.

>>1494838
Or I guess it could be a female lion...aside from the spots.

>>1494839
>>1494838
oh heh yeah you're right
check out this one, you can totally see a guy shootin' some arrows, i bet that was totally unintentional lel

Oil on canvas 2013-07-11
World War 2 veteran, P-51 Mustang pilot, reconnaissance, photographer

>>1495008
Ever thought of using a thinner brush?

>>1495022
hmm for what effect? what should i try to achieve with a smaller brush? i do have them. i only use them to build up higher saturation in diluted muddy areas.

>>1495025
To vary your line weight nigga

>>1495033
hmmm there is already variation of line weight in all the places that are applicable.
the painting is perfect as it is right now. there is nothing to fix.

>>1495038
i hope you're being facetious dawg, that's the worst attitude possible to have if you're posting works on here

again, what bothers me is that there's no interaction between each stroke, which makes them look really amateurishly applied. what exactly are you trying to achieve with this aesthetic?

>>1495042
don't you see the distortion of space and structural form? that's the interaction you might be looking for.
i want the rough quality of raw strokes. i never planned it to consist of soft build-ups along pre-defined boundaries, but a conclusion of actively responding strokes to what's previously been applied.

>>1495042
He's always like this. Just don't talk to him. If we all ignore him and illastrat, they might actually go away and /ic/ will be just a little bit less shitty.

>>1495063
I...I kind of get what you're going for, but...i dunno, the paint still just seems really poorly applied.
is it acrylic?

>>1495071
it's oil.
>>1495066
me and illastrat leaving would leave only like-minded people on /ic/ giving same predictable advice and enjoying talking about about same old stuff which is to paint and draw in realistic style without any creative manipulation of and play on color, form, and space

>>1495071
Different guy here. Chunbum is not OK in the head. You can't speak to him and expect to get through or have any sort of rational dialogue. The exact things you're saying to him have been said by others countless times. You just need to ignore him, because he is guaranteed to derail any and every thread with his massive ego, inability to understand other humans, and general thirst for massive amounts of attention.

Do not engage.

>>1495081
I want to save all these comments on my blog for posterity, but I am forbidden. Too bad.

>>1495080
guess i just don't get it.
th-thanks for sharing though

>>1495081
Also, I am not here for comments. A good painting is a good painting, regardless of how it's received by users of /ic/. As long as I can upload and share my works, I've accomplished my goal, which is to have my works be seen, not necessarily discussed and critiqued. If you want to ignore me, you definitely can. I won't care.

>>1495086
>a good painting is a good painting
not necessarily. even if you're using the most objective terms of evaluation (composition, color theory, etc.) it...doesn't seem that strong, tbh. There's a lack of discernible structure, even fucked-with structure (you said you're trying to manipulate space, but you can't really do that unless you've created space in the first place); the colors are dull and lifeless, and arranged in no apparent pattern, and....compositionally speaking, it wouldn't be half bad if the background was distinct from the foreground in any way other than being outside the outline of the head.

i get what you're trying to achieve conceptually, but i don't feel like this piece accomplishes that, nor is it a particularly well-executed composition.

1/3

>>1495100
2/3

>>1495103
3/3

This one isn't quite finished yet.

All 3 are 16x20 oil on canvas.

>>1495098
I am just trying to defend myself from degrading criticisms and labels.
>>1495100
you should have drawn the whole face. i dont get this.
>>1495103
technically this is well-executed, but the idea behind it is not very strong. What's the point of a skull floating in indiscernible space?
>>1495105
this is your best work of the three you uploaded.
If you added small bit of red to the dark brown/black it would have been emotionally more dynamic.

>>1495098
Please, listen to reason. It's not worth it. It will only get worse if you persist, and not just for you but for everyone. Learn to ignore him.

>>1495100
lel
i quite like this, if only because the way the nostrils take on the appearance of eyes is amusing.

>>1495103
2edgy5me
skulls are terribly cliched subject matter, and NEVER CENTER ANYTHING, it totally robs the composition of movement.

>>1495105
okay, the centering thing works here. increasing the amount of shadow on the drive would make the space a lot more engaging.

>>1495113
i get that, but being immune to constructive critique on the basis of "my paintings are always good" is not a good thing to be.

>>1495121
>>1495113
thanks for the comments guys

the lips and the skull were earlier in my painting so composition was definitely an afterthought

>>1495121
you aren't a troll like some people on /ic/. but we are coming from two completely different backgrounds or points of view. i think you deserve a full explanation. wait for a minute. i will get down to everything.

>>1495126
rendering of the lips and teeth is strong stuff, though, maybe do even more macro compositions?

and - not sure how you achieved them, but i quite like the textures around the lips as well; it looks like you collaged paper underneath the paint...?

>>1495133
...great? i'd appreciate that.

>>1495136
Thanks. To get that texture I just used a wide palette knife.

i sorta like these threads
i want them to become a thing

>>1495142
oh, okay. i like it a lot, keep doing that. you've looked at de Kooning's paintings before, right?

>>1495143
be the paintings u want to see

>>1495136
Here it is.
(a) The background and the subject isn't distinguished because I applied paint at different areas to create movement. The eye follows in linear movement consisting of areas of the same color.
(b) these two planes collide and slide together, causing twisting and distortion of space in sculptural manner
(c) there is collision between the expanding light from the left, and the movement of strokes on the face on the right
(d) There is more sliding or contrasting movement here
(e) Red is the emotional climax. It's like really high notes in music. Putting red here creates weight which contributes to the downward sliding movement down the neck and up the right side.

>>1495150
okay! yes! thank you, this helps a ton. if you had explained your intent with this beforehand in this manner it would've helped a lot.

i wasn't really getting the whole kinetic quality of it because of how isolated each individual brushstroke is, but yes, i do see that a lot more, especially with the black marks at (b).

okay, question: why don't you blend the marks more and define each shape more clearly in order to emphasize the sculptural quality? it seems as though if, you were intent on twisting space, you would define the nature of that space more clearly? you could do that without sacrificing the integrity of each individual brushstroke (see de Kooning, et al)

>>1495147
Yeah, don't care for him really, but I like a lot of other abstract painters. Kline, Diebenkorn, and Richter are some of my favorites.

>>1495155
gotcha. i was just thinking you could be really successful in rendering anatomy with how strong you are with textures.

big ups on Diebenkorn and Kline, they're two of my favourites too. i had never heard of Richter before, thanks for the tip.
>dat Daydream Nation cover art

>>1495154
you mean sorta like picasso with his cubist works?
i looked up de kooning, but none of his works seem sculptural.

>>1495156
Yeah, I'm planning to get into some hardcore realist training soon, I want to have an immense skillset that I can fall back on when I want to break the rules... Thanks for the kind words and you should definitely check out the film "Painting" about Gerhard Richter (pic related).

no, yeah, Picasso is a better example! that's exactly what i mean - if you're trying to manipulate space, why not fragment it entirely and make the medium an ends to that purpose, rather than have the brushstrokes obstruct that end? with the way it is right now the uniformity of the brushtrokes muddles it up considerably and makes the sculptural nature of the spaces much harder to perceive.

>>1495162
jesus, that replication of optical effects is remarkable. i'll definitely check that movie out.

"hardcore realist training" sounds like a great idea. I'm sure you'll be immensely successful. good luck.

>>1495164
Thank you, good luck to you as well.

and yeah that painting is crazy, looks like scratched and cracked glass, he is an incredible artist

Excepting conceptualist non-painter assholes like Hirst, and considering that Freud has left us, Richter must be the most famous contemporary painter.

>>1495150
Don't you see anything wrong with having to explain to people why your painting is good? You talk about all those factors like they are so important but at the same time people could just say "yeah but so what"

>>1495215
Not him
but
the conceptual is important, more important than you or a lot of people give credit for
pretty much all of art history from Impressionism onwards would never have happened at all if some degree of conceptualism in art wasn't valued.

obviously there are going to be some people who take advantage of how it works to come up with shitty paintings and try and read meaning into it that isn't really there
but
those people existing doesn't invalidate art that produces a unity between concept and work.

And, hey, I could look at a perfectly rendered still life and just say "yeah but so what" - but so what?

>>1495217
You're right. I still think chumbum could do better, though.

>>1495219
me too. no such thing as a perfect piece.

I'm starting to think that the photos are not doing most of everyone's paintings justice.

>>1495233
The last place I got a couple of 18"x24" scanned they basically took my wallet. I guess it's worth it but if you put out a lot of work.....you'd turn to the camera

>>1495238
The big issue is that large scanner operators are scam artists. It costs them next to nothing to scan work, they just want money.

>>1495240
that's how supply and demand works.

maybe lobby for price caps on large-scale scanners?

>>1495233
Yeah. Cameras just doesn't see things like the eyes, and there are the monitors too, which disort colors.

>>1495233
ikr, i was going to upload a little study here but there was noway to get it to look anything like the painting, makes me :(

>>1495318
under natural light photos work better you can try that

>>1495327
i did , doesn't work, i used a transparent blue and a transparentish white and i think that's throwing everything off

>>1495328
how about fixing colors using a photo editing software?

I can't link it directly (tried but got a warning for linking to 'a blogger') But you can google muddycolors how to photograph your paintings
and there's a nice article explaining some pretty cool things

>>1495154
>if you had explained your intent with this beforehand in this manner it would've helped a lot.
You realize he shouldn't have to do that? A good painting can communicate visually and the painter doesn't need to start explaining it.

>>1495367
You are saying that to a tripfaggot who can't paint. of course he is of the 'add a explanatory wall of text' to justify the manure excreted mindset

>>1495367
The intent behind an artwork wouldn't necessarily be obvious to anyone who hadn't studied painting intensively and / or was familiar with the technique or concept in question.

That said, (and I said this before) I don't think the piece we're discussing adequately executed the goals the artist had in mind, hence why those goals had to be explained. I never said that the painting was perfect or exemplary, hence why explanation was necessary and why i suggested improvements.

>>1495431
thanks, i appreciate your contribution to the discussion.

QUESTION!

how does one paint without getting it all blended and have the colors separated? Do i have to dry it out each layer to paint the next one?

Cause i tried to paint something and all the colors just blended into the previous ones. DO I REALLY HAVE TO WAIT 48 hours for each color? I tried using liquin and it makes it dry in one day i hope

new painting

help me out /ic/ what does this need
i may have gone overboard on the rectangles

>>1496891
just use a really fine brush and be really careful
i mean unless you're painting one thing on top of another, then, yeah, you kind of need the layer underneath to dry. use what you're using and put it on an open window or in front of a fan if you're really desperate.

>>1497044
what mystikal language is this in

>>1497078
It's good. I don't know how good a photo this is, so it's tough to judge. I just wonder about the edges. Some seem too blurry, some seem too sharp. Probably best here to have a mix. Some of the blacks on those sharper shapes may be a bit too dark and regular.

If it really looks like the photo then maybe think about that stuff.

>>1497108
You're definitely right, it is really heterogeneous. Tbh i'm considering just disrupting it with some really huge strokes of paint and working them in; it's way too monotonous.

The edges are either hard or soft, yeah. That's mostly just from different techniques between acrylic and oil.

The Philosopher Wizard by Chunbum Park

>>1497756
The Shit Face by Signature Goes Where?

>>1497756
If you took all your recent portraits and line them up chronologically, you could title it "faces of meth" and make a lot more sense

>>1497078
same mystical language this is in

>>1497760
>>1497767
i realise you guys don't have any obligation to be nice, but you're not exactly providing constructive criticism. just being assholes.

>>1497769
friggin' masterpiece
if it was less tidy you could market yourself as heavily influenced by Twombly.

>>1497776
Cumbum is the boy who cried wolf. If you want to waste your time giving him a constructive critique, go right ahead.

My room with my paintings. Some of them unfinished. There's more at the opposite wall that's not pictured. Running out of wall real estate space to hang up and dry my paintings..

>>1498092
What a pitiful room...
>blue walls

>>1497756
Why do you keep your colours so goddamn muddy?

>>1498093
I know right? Living in a shitty place not too far from a strip club and where the crackheads are. I wanted to paint a mural, but I can't change anything thanks to my landlord. That heater vent right there isn't even working, and when I turned it out, it was softly blasting out air that has this oil scent, which I suspect is unhealthy to inhale.

>>1498092
shitty workspace thread?

>>1498096
curious about the color choice also.

>>1498092
>>1498102
Funny thing is, that's not my workspace, since I work outside. That room is actually my bedroom. My futon's not pictured, but it's on the floor lol

>>1498102

>>1498103
place-where-you-keep-your-paintings space, whatever.
do you sell your pieces frequently?

>>1498104
>shitty
that looks great, what are you talking about.

>>1498104
oh and here's that [terrible] little study if you're curious, crit very welcome, it's a wip obviously, it's not tooo different irl just a little richer and maybe a little yellower.

wip, featuring some anatomical and rendering mistakes.

i know i'm bad, i'm a tryhard though.

current iteration of the piece in the original post.

>>1498122
Not much to say since it's a wip, maybe pull the shadows from the hood out over the face a bit more? Right now it kinda seems like it's separate from the hood, sort of foregrounded over it.
>>1498124
the head seems...a bit small.

The Philosopher Wizard

>>1498320
I think if you're aiming to portray a human you need to suggest more, because right now it just doesn't look like anything. If you're going to omit practically everything, you really need to make it intriguing by using an interesting composition or brushwork. This is just nothing man.

>>1498320
You're just getting lazy now. There's nothing there that suggests a Wizard, Philosopher, or even a human being. You have some vague strokes that could indicate a head if someone was being generous, but aside from that there's just a bunch of ugly mud on that canvas. Try again, and this time put in some effort when trying to depict (what I assume to be) a face.

old painting. Just wanna see where i went wrong

>>1498428
Like I told you before on DA, this always was one of your more pleasing paintings in my opinion. I wish you kept on this track.

>>1498428
somewhat confused on what the red mass in front of her is.

>>1498434
its a different painting. I think Chunbum could appreciated. They are the same style.

>>1498439
whatever comes to mind, thats what it is

>>1498442
I don't know, this looks way more grounded in reality than most of the stuff Chunbum puts out there. Also there's not so much physical distortion here, just color distortion.

>>1498451
i think the brush economy is the same. he is bold like me. I actually like most of his stuff. However, the one in this thread is not his best

>>1498457
DOWN

>>1498428
yeah i like it. it appears to be depiction of an Indian man. exotic.

>>1498446
>>1498439
It could be just because I know illastrat is black and from the eastern area but I'm thinking jambalaya.

>>1498428
this is your best work i think

>>1498733
That's a woman you dolt.

>>1497756
Chunbum Park doesnt know how to paint so he scribbles it on into what doesnt even look good
and his paintings are all the same... lele?

This is final for real.
little bit of thick paint slabbed onto the painting did the trick.

>>1499083
Your first posting of this was the strongest. This just took a turn for the worse and kind of just became blobs.

Tiger J
world war 2 veteran
P 51 mustang pilot on reconnaissance
flew behind enemy lines

>>1499122
>>1499083
Do you do these on purpose? It seems like you don't want anyone else but yourself to understand your painting. I picture you putting stroke after stroke muttering "good.. good... fuck it up some more... fuck over the viewer....crawliiing in my skiiin...."

>>1499130
you are hillarious. I am going to write a book someday about all the stuff I know about art including color distribution, composition, spatial dynamics, structural noise, etc. I want knowledge to be open and accessible to all. Of course I don't want my paintings to be things that only I can understand.

>>1499122
This definitely got more accessible since you added more / brighter colors. I feel like this painting style, with a mass of strokes of similar size and shape, works a lot better like this, if you build it up more so that each individual brushstroke becomes less distinguishable.

>>1499083
I like this, for real. The way the faint yellow bits in the lower left suggest a descension into the picture plane and around behind the "head", and the way the other yellow bits complement that "swirling" motion is really cool. I like the colors in the upper left as well. if i were you i'd create greater contrast in value between areas, but...yeah. i'm not you.

>>1499130
i loled

>>1499136
>Of course I don't want my paintings to be things that only I can understand.
Then you should use all that knowledge you claim to have to make paintings that people can understand. If you have to a write a book to explain your paintings to people you've failed to communicate visually in the painting.

>>1499169
That's right, context, concept, and the intent of the artist are entirely irrelevant.

It's extremely pretentious to impose the arbitrary rule that "paintings must be wholly self-explanatory" for no reason whatsoever.

>>1499171
^
finally i meet people on /ic/ who understand me. thank you. applaud

>>1499184
aye man. do ya thang

alright, help me out here. do i extend the black & white planes over the colored stripes, or leave it as is?

>>1499219
It won't help it either way. Your pieces seem to be like that.

>>1499184
Any1 can understand you... You are egotistical and have no sense of reality.

Current progress

>>1500378
Nice
I like the echoing of the forms on the top and bottom of the piece.
maybe articulate the human form in the circle a bit more?

>>1500378
I liked this one better when you had less color in the center, you just keep adding,
I had liked the reflective quality about it, almost like stained glass on a veranda.

>>1500381
This too, I didn't notice that. Adding a lot of red to that center pane makes it indistinguishable from the rest of the composition.

>>1499219
this is so tortured. and then the primary borders you have going on does not help.

& the eye doesn't know where to go

work on composition, and balance.

>>1500383
I'm trying. I added some white radial spaces to foreground the canvas-and-black background bits and segment the whole composition so i can make it less of an all-over piece. i'll post pics later.

>>1500420
best of luck to you!

Painting I just started on. Just a silly self-portrait showing my front yard.

Any tips on selling paintings? I already have a dozen paintings with more to come, but I never really knwo how to sell my paintings, nor do I know anyone within my immediate area I can ask.

Alla prima self portrait from mirror

>>1500930
Mind showing us your paintings?