/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

WIP zwei

I wanted to do the bear more subtly.

I wanted to do the bear more subtly.

how bad is this?

help?

i intended this to be spooky. how is it?

>>1486881
I think you might still struggle with symbol drawing. Look at her nose and what you actually drew. They look pretty different. Same with the eyes.

You should probably go through the links in the sticky post.

fuck it.

I made an individual thread for this because I'm new as shit to this board, sorry about that. What do you guys think?

>>1486853
>>1486748
>>1486842
Just wanted to say I love these

Could i get some crit on this before i detail it up?

>>1486946
the value looks a little too mixed together honestly. Maybe make the purple thing around his neck a little brighter

what can i fix?

what can i fix?

I've been working too long on this

>>1486960
Does it really need the cigarette? I think just seeing his cold breath would add a little more atmosphere.

>>1486955
Do you mean like more contrast on the left side of the face and neck chest? thx btw

>>1486969
naw i mean the portrait and the background blended together too much because the color values are similar. The face looks good

>>1486960
may i propose the name "gobniki delight" for your masterpiece good sir?

>>1486960
How much photo/refs is used in this one?

drew this last night.. also first post in a draw thread crit needed..

>>1486975
Ah i see

>>1486995
I used both a photo of myself for the pose and another one I took to help with colors.

>>1486960
shouldn't he have both feet flat on the ground, for the full squatting position? >>1486977

>>1487019
Valid point, but I chose not to go full slav with the drawing.

D-did this face turn out ok? They normally end up ugly and with fucked up proportions so I'm not sure if God granted me an ok one or I just don't see some glaring error (already flipped too many times in all possible directions).

>>1487037
Face is 5 eyes wide

>>1486860
looks like a wolf

tried to correct my too loose started study. also trying to avoid string mop hair.

I posted this in the last draw thread as it reached the bump limit, so sorry for repost. I've made some more progress in the face and ear though.

My problem is I'm struggling mixing white and black fur effectively (especially white fur in shadow). If anyone has any tips or tutorials on this it would be much appreciated. This is my first pet commission and I really don't want to mess it up.

>>1487046
looks like a bear to me

I think the lighting could use some work. Even though her body is white, I feel like the parts of her that aren't in the light are still too bright.

>>1487069
Wash it down with some gray and apply white or light grey highlights. This is color theory 101 dude.

Downloaded a huge brush pack from deviantart. trying them out

I cant draw interesting towers in the background or lower houses. not sure what to put on top of a roof building to make it INTERESTING.

it does not need to be real it can be futuristic but something interesting parts that might be on a building

Any advice i can get on this?

I´m color-stupid.

>>1486999
lel nice "detail" in the armor.

been drawing too many buildings, feels like I can't draw figures. or feet.

>>1487069
I know what you are trying to do but right now, that light source is that square object that looks like a window. In your piece, it is facing us "the audience" AKA backlighting. Which would make sense if your figure was doing rehearsal at a dance studio with the lights off. And you can make that work for you. Believe it or not first image on google search for "backlit" A furry white mammal just like in your picture. Your picture has similar lighting conditions, the figure would be very dark with some light bouncing back onto it. The reflecting light source, we can infer, is coming from the inside of the room that we cannot see. So you could play around with cold temperatures around the atmosphere like soft, dark red from the stage curtains.

It looks like what you want to do is apply a spot light scenario, since your character is on a stage. Everything would be very dark in the background but the original colors you have would remain the same for the most part. Best thing you can do is google/flickr "spotlight/stage/ballet" So you can get an idea of what the lighting would look like.

Even though using dark colors, goes against the delicate child-like nature of your image. Trust in the science of colors and keep it simple. It will work.

>>1487130

I´m also still working on this.

>>1487166
Are you trying to make it realistic or cartoonish?

>>1487169

Realistic.

What can i do?

>>1487172
use references. study those references. get a picture of an ear at that angle, then render it correctly. pay attention to proportions (like rule of thirds), that chin is extremely long. neck somehow gets thinner as it approaches the body, learn the muscles in this area and give him trapezius. we should also see a little bit of the far side of the neck, beyond the adam's apple. nose is off too, we should be able to see a nostril.

tl;dr use references.

>>1487166
fix the shadows on his face. thats not how light werkz

>>1486975
I disagree, I like it.

I think the background could do with some rendering work but in terms of how the background blends with the coat, I think it compositionally works, attention i focused on the face.

Work on the lace thing at the bottom left though, make it darker, as it is there is a random unrewarding little focal point in the bottom corner for no reason, take away some of it's dominance by just making it darker.

please help

>>1486963
Yeah I don't like the cigarette, seems out of place and distracting.
That might just be because it's really fucking long, make it shorter it will look better, also his lips don't look like they're holding a cigarette, it looks like you just shopped it onto a closed mouth.

>>1487178

Oh i see what you mean. However i´m not triying him to look like a real man, but to have real skin, armor and hair.
I wanted him to look like that, it´s what comes to my mind when i think "Quijote".

I will look for references for the ear and for the nose.

changed composition and pose after some helpful input.Trying to figure out what to do for some adequate background.

>>1487191
I cant just remove the lace its part of the design.
I will figure something out, thanks for the feedback though ^^

>>1487234
You don't need to remove it just make it less dominant in the portrait.

>>1487055
Bottom of the nose is a bit too high. Eyes are a little too high, and by extension the cheekbones are misshaped.

You're missing a lot of interesting warm hues in the face - yours looks cold and sterile by comparison.

The reflections in the irises are too bright.

One big issue is that it looks like you have algenpfleger's same-face going on (squinty eyes, long face, upturned nose, mannish jaw, too many crisp edges). If someone told me this was an older study by him, I'd believe it. Pay more attention to the model's features, the actual hues present in the still, and the actual crispness of edges.

Do a few master copies off classical painter portraits. Study their edge and value control.

>>1487055

To see your inconsistencies, try flipping the image constantly...you'll see just how proportional certain things are and aren't, then flip back to normal, keep flipping until the mirror images all look alike.

>>1487195
Your proportions are very off putting. Make sure the drawing is correct before moving on to values. This doesn't mean you need super clean lineart, but solid construction instead.

Are you using references?

>>1487150
You need to study how hands and wrists work. Bridgman does a good job of breaking down the basic forms, but use whatever resource you prefer (as long as it's supplementing life drawing).

Hey I did this based on a ref. Crit please.
Loading ref next.

>>1487146
>feels like I can't draw figures. or feet.
Draw more from reference then.

Your proportions could use some work. The head looks big compared to the shoulders. The arms are longer than norm (elbow lines up with bottom of ribcage and wrist with pubic bone when the arm is extended). The feet look a little small for his frame.

Biggest issue by far is his head and face - you've got some strange distortions all over. Practice constructing heads from unusual angles with references. Be wary of lens distortion in portrait shots.

I have finally added a background but it's on a multiply layer on top so I've got rid of it for now.

I think I've fixed the glaring mistakes on the woman now what do you think? it was a relief to fix that disaster of a mouth though it had been bugging me for ages.

>>1487265
Heres the ref I based my drawing on
Now that im on a computer I can share some of my thoughts.
Dat hand.
When I looked from the mirror the highlighted side was wrong somehow.
Body/head porportion seems off smehow.
Shield is flat( its aimed straight towards the viewer)
Anything I missed?
Also if someone bothers to redline I'd be super grateful.

>>1487278
Holy shit the black man is dark. At least lighten up his skin tone a little to show facial features and details.

trying something out.

>>1487282
Will do, I haven't really worked on him a lot I just blocked in some rough colours. (he is pretty dark irl though)

Playing computer games!


around A5, form life, about 20 mins

>>1487286
ALSO

Half an internet to the one who guesses what painting is on the secondary monitor

(hint: author is one of the Russian masters)

>>1487265
>>1487280
That's a bad reference to be drawing from. I also don't think you're ready to be deviating from a reference yet.

You need to learn how to depict basic forms in perspective accurately. Slowly move on to more complex objects (the figure is very complex). Find random objects around your house (apples, vases, etc), place them on your desk, light them up, then draw them.

>>1487300
Got it. Also I kinda had to make up the lightening, but I must have deviated from the exact point of orgin at some places. Guess its time to hit hard on still life studies.

please crit

what you guys think about the design so far.. what could i do to make it more interesting?

>>1487330
Break the form up more, add some colors aside from brown. Right now it's very "blah".

>>1487330
Perhaps a utility belt, allows the character to carry equipment such as knifes etc.

>>1487337
good idea! I'm going to do this now. thanks anon!

>>1487334
i see what you mean. will do!

>>1487130
Shouldn't Sancho have a beard?

in a fun development, I saved the .psd after resizing this so now I've only got a lo rez version to work from. Sucks, cuz I was feeling pretty good about where it was going. Guess I'll try to salvage what I can.

>>1487434
the right hip is off.

>>1487434
ref

>>1487444
I fall in love every time I see this model on pixelovely

>>1487450
I believe her name is Carly Champagne, Mr Janum has a lot of her in his deviantart

>>1487450
same. So fucking hot

>>1487444
the curve is closer to this. Im exaggerating a little in the pic. You should have your lines corssing each other as well instead of meeting end to end. It helps to show which part overlaps which
Also, use more wavy lines, it'll help you depict the gestures better. Right now you're just connecting curvy shape lines- ( - ends on end

>>1487454
thanks!

>>1487265
Allright decided to do a quick drawover(?) on my piece.
Since im on a wrong medium i wont be messing around this one. Gonna go for them still life studies tomorrow.
Made the character simpler. Darker version. Kinda like an executor or something.
Ran back and forth to the mirror and my desk to establish all that stuff.
In the end I think i improved the general concept and if fleshed out etc...

>>1487455
I see what you mean, cheers.

>>1487256
the problem is i do this. usually i meticulously construct a grid and very carefully do a drawing to base the painting on so i dont have to correct so much stuff. this time i tried to be more loose pay not so much attention to it and it failed lol.

>>1487248
ill do the master copies and i take the algenpfleger comparsion as a compliment ;).

>>1487455

tried to fix that hip.

>>1487507
Something's off with the angle of her right side.

>>1487321
not bad shading and facial features, but increase the value and work making the hair more detailed

>>1487516
will do, thanks

Graphic design is destroying my soul.

>>1487545
Fucking upload from phone. Sorry.

>>1487545
Her left arm looks like its being stretched too far back and it's awkward. Otherwise, it looks pretty good.

>>1487545
tattoo make the chest very flat

>>1486851

yo beloved /ic/

does this work compositionally? i dont know how i feel about the tentacle :C

also maybe more tentacles?

How am I doing with perspective? Bag on it all you want, I just want to improve. maybe even a redline if I'm doing something wrong? Also, where do I go after perspective?

It's shit but at least I'm making progress I like to try to tell myself. Anyone feeling like sharing tips on how to smooth out the brushstrokes? And also dat hair, how can I make is look natural-like? I'm really at wit's end on that subject and google gives me tutorials that cause me to space out or rage.

Any feedback/ advice appreciated.

>>1487330
engravings or patterns on his or her armor would look pretty cool tribal-ish

This is taking forever because I'm incredibly lazy and take breaks every 5 minutes. So don't mind the flower for now.
WIP

>>1487613
man, of all the things you couldve picked from the reference thread, you pick the snail.

You need to refine your color and lines more, it's really messy right now. You can see the color of the bottom layers cuz you didnt cover up everything.

>>1487615
That was my picture actually. I know it's from days ago but like I said I'm lazy. This is actually my first *real* digital painting and I'm still figuring things out. I thought it was supposed to be messy at first, then you refine it later? And I see what you mean about the green showing through, I'll try to cover that all up. Thanks for the critique!

>>1487597
closer look at it

what started innocently as a figure drawing turned into hot latina jailbait.

>>1487619
Little more contrast to define the shape of the face, light seems to be hitting the left side of the head, but you don't push the contrast too much. hair looks squishy, needs more hard edges.

Good stuff.

Via colored pencil

>>1487619
Change your blending technique.

The hair looks more like "blobs" than anything.

>>1487586

come on /ic/ gimme feedback 8((((

y u do this to me you heartless cunts

little update

Ink pen and Sharpie

All of the above artwork were done with ink pen and sharpie markers. No college or training. Just self taught and one shitty life for inspiration.

>>1487722

o.o

>>1487729
Hate to break it to you but the wheel in >>1487719
is kind of fucked up.

>>1487728
>>1487728
it'd be better if he wasn't dead center, but other then that this is my favorite.

Sorry for the flipped image

>>1487705
composition is kind of boring. Not sure if youre trying to make it scary or cute, but there should be more dynamic
different angle, or higher contrasts in values or something. unless youre planning to color it later, I dont see any black black, or white white in there.

Tried to fix the pecs

>>1487783

thank you!!!! yes it's gonna get colored, and i want to keep it more childlike, sort of in a pixar universe. i try to stay away from 100% or 0% values consciously from my experience those mess too much with the eye in most compositions. thanks for the input though, one can always still experiment with pushing values and contrast as final touchups.

what worries me is that you too find the composition boring. i don't really know what to do about it other than create a striking contrast between the illuminated area and the obscured area (in color).

thanks anon. appreciate the feedback alot.

Sargent study

>>1487728
I fucking love this! Although yes, his placement is off, but the idea of him holding that cleaver just makes you anxious to see him start hacking into flesh. damn this is great

>>1487755
the eye is drooping weird

So I have a pretty good understanding of perspective. now that I've drawn a ton of boxes and buildings and weird shapes, where do I go now? Also, what specific book should I read next?

>>1487259
Thanks for the crit! I'll look for the book and start by drawing some hands from life today.

>>1487278
yeah the mouth is still off man, might be even worse

>>1487822
>FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU-
I'll keep working on it thanks.

Gekigami didn't turn out very well. I wanted them to have pretty similar proportions.

thoughts ? tips ?

Been working on it for about half an hour

thoughts?

>>1488048
It gives a nice sense of massive scale! But what is that brownish blob supposed to be? And are there two human figures in front of it or is it something else, it's all very hard to tell...

preface: sorry for shitty picture but I no longer have the piece and this is the best picture I have of it

Original piece done for my Senior Project, inspired by Ray Kurzweil's 6 epochs of evolution. ( simplified: evolution since Big bang ---> Brain ----> Artificial Intelligence).

There is a much more in depth explanation if anyone cares to hear it.

Comments?

>>1488076
I don't like the composition. You've got practically nothing happening on the whole left side of the image, transitioning very quickly into a shitton of line and detail. I would like it better were the left side much smaller.

Thoughts?

Trying to make an album cover to my EDM music.

>>1488099
Or was this idea better?

>>1488076
composition is weird because it's not symmetrical (which is ok in some case, but not in art like this). The head is only at the bottom of the image for example, while the top of he image (where the black part is) has nothing.
I kind of think the image should be turned a different way too. The right side should be the bottom instead.
study more composition, and draw a better, more meaningful face too. The piece could be pretty cool

>>1487958
I think you should add more details to Gekigami. It looks alot more plain than Amaterasu

>>1488012
looks nice. I like your thin lines. It works well with monsters. You should try doing thiswith digital art honestly, then you can do more creature design stuff with color and what not

>>1488101
this one is better. I can actually see what it is. but your angle is all off. One eye glass is smaller than the other too.

>>1487822
I'm looking at it now and I kind of don't see it. could I get a couple more opinions on it?
>>1487278

>>1488120
thanks for the feedback :), any ideas how i should continue my work ? i got some thoughts about making the frog ride the monster.

>>1488138
damn wrong person

>>1488110
thanks for the feedback :)
any ideas how i should continue my work ? i got some thoughts about making the frog ride the monster.

>>1486881
>>1486899
this is actually an exercise about managing hard and soft edges. its in the book "keys to drawing". I dont know if im doing right

>>1488141
thats up to you, iono how your composition is gonna be. Just be mindful that youre almost out of space on the right

>>1488121
its drooping down too much i think, and not symmetrical with the other side. The lips doesnt usually droop on one side and smile on the other
something something like this would look more natural

>>1488153
ah I think I see what you mean, I was going by what another anon told me when he said that the top of her lips went down at the end of the smile but I think I overdid it.

Anything else?

>>1488156
another update, cannot wait to finish this.

Some underwater creature, first time drawing something submerged. Any tips?

>>1488158
yeah that looks better. The baby looks better than before too.
Her face still look just a little bit off somehow, but im not quite sure what. You could try working on some other section and look at it a little later.

>>1488163
Yeah, I'm going to do the guy and then give everythig a once over.

>>1488163
FUCK, I've just made a huge mistake, I just saved the .psd at 1000x751 resolution
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, what am I going to fucking do?

>>1488173
He was going to print it at A3 size as well so I don't that just working on it in this resolution will even be worth my while, fuck I'm fucking mad right now. what a waste of time and now I have to tell him that I can't finish it.

>>1488173
Windows recovery maybe?

>>1488176
On the other hand I just discovered content aware scale and this shit is fuckign hilarious.

>>1488178
Does this affect files? I thought it only affects installations.

>>1488173
If you haven't closed Photoshop, step backwards until you reach the point where you haven't resized.

If you can't reach that state, well, I think you're kind of fucked there. Why the hell would you resize the picture on the same document?

>>1488183
I have an I stupidly in a panic close and reopened the document to check (although I had already done a lot of stuff so I don't think I could have gone back that far.
>Why the hell would you resize the picture on the same document?
because I'm an idiot and I'll never be doing that again.

Does anyone know how to do this (pic) I can't find any choose file option

>>1488187
forgot image

>>1488192
ugh, I figured it out and all it does is revert it to when you actually saved last, what a pointless tool.

>>1488162

I don't know how to draw, but damn that is seriosuly cool. Love it.

Only thing you MUST remember is to make the light even downward. Uhm.. Cause you can see the right hand is dark as fuck, but the rest at the exact same height is really nice and bright. Makes it look like the right hand is a bit far back. And make the bubble over his hand sharper and a bit brighter/more contrast.

Good stuff dude!

>>1488192
On (CS6), the default is F12, or under the File menu.

>>1488196
found it but it doesn't do anything thanks though.

Just a little something I've been tinkering with for a while on an off for a week or two, problem is being creative with the design, and as you can see it's just a weird mashup of stuff. Oh well.

Interested in if the pose is alright, I put the right knee higher now, but it doesn't seem correct.

Any CC would be awesome. Hold no punches.

(Some evangelion fans with a really keen eye may have seen this pose, also kind of looks like a wind up for a bat though...)

>>1488195
Thanks.
Oh yeah, I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>1488162
That looks rad.
May i suggest:
-Light rays
-Seaweed
-More wrinkles (Overdoing it could turn out nice)

Tried using a visual reference and trying a hand at shading with line for the first time ever on both accounts, and doing things a bit more realistically for a change.

This is a big leap for me but I'm already hating it.

>>1488205
You might want to have a clear concept in mind before you start. This is why alot of people do thumbnails or quick doodles to scratch down different ideas. Eventually merging the best ideas into a final piece.

trying to BS a face

urg I need to invest into structure buy one of those skulls. This symbol drawing is giving me problems

Crits/thoughts on this? I feel like the depth is odd and I want to be sure it's right before I detail it.

>>1488217
place a shadow next to the girl and you'll be fine

>>1488193
>>1488173
>>1488176

hello darkness my old friend...

>>1488187
i dont know jack about photoshop, but the most you can do right now is save the pic you posted here and try to do shit with it. I think the pixel is gonna be fucked still though. You could always trace lol

>>1488193
>>1488173
>>1488176

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

>>1488173
you actually have been resizing in photoshop then saving them as images from there, rather save in native resolution then resize in say, mspaint? damn dude. that's like...damn.

>>1488225
you can resize in mspaint?

>>1488225
What I usually do is save a copy of the image as a jpg, then resize the copy in ps

>>1488225
I know it was dumb but why resize in paint? why not in a new ps document?

Anyway the reason for that is that I have to collapse all of my layers to copy them into another programme.

Usually I only save a smaller version as jpeg when I'm exiting photoshop so I just close without saving and it's never been an issue, this time I continued working on it and saved absent mindedly.

So I've read perspective books and stuff and I think I have a good idea of the whole concept, where do I go now? I'm trying to look for pdf's of books to read, not sure which ones are the best to start out with though and what should I learn next?

>>1488222
I'm just going to work on it small, luckily I was working really smooth because of the chitty reference so hopefull it won't be noticable, no fuckign way am I starting again so it's the best I can do I think.

today's study

Drawing i made today. I used rapidograph

a still life

this seem to be the most relevant thread and board to ask this question: I've finally decided to go to school, to hopefully turn my hobby i nt something occupational, as well as further advance in the field of art. I just went to Ai in santa monica, and my uncle's friend keeps telling I should enroll in the Pasedena Art Center. Is there anyone here that has been to either of these schools that help me make a decision?

Here's a sample of what i do, critique or flame as you like anons. This one is free handed froom a picture. a lot is wrong with the wing.

heres one that i free handed of the top of my head. yes, i know there is a lot wrong with the anatomy, please advise.

another off the top of my head, which how i usually draw

>>1488247
looks a bit desaturated, but maybe it's just me

and a combination of both. the reference picture of my grandpa wouasn't the best, so i couldn't draw the finer details all to well

>>1487444

hngggggg i just fell in love :(

>>1488256
>2013
>falling in love
FOOL! Art is your love, get back to her before she leaves you!!! God, what a faglord.

oops forgot the picture

>>1488234

requesting sauce on reference image

>>1488257
I can never fap to my references because i only pick the most pure and beautiful. Don't want to spoil their iinnocence

Does she look happy?

>>1488258
Isn't it a bit blurry?
Soft lines are good, but it looks kinda shaky instead of soft and fluid.

>>1488267
this is the result of my crappy 1.3 phone camera and bad lighting, it looks much clearer in person.
still not all that good though. Also an answer to my original question>>1488248
would be very helpful

I don't know where to go from here.

>>1488343
i suggest lightning arcing in the clouds and some more in the background

captcha: artfer subject

>>1488341
I don't know what the reference looks like, but the wing and the whole figure looks like it's in need of some semi-sharp defining lines to make it pop a little, looks like you do a lot of short strokes?

>>1487958
The head seems too big

>>1488263
She looks badly drawn, I'm afraid. Use ref

>>1488353
How so?

>>1488355
It looks extremely flat because the values were put in all the wrong places and the lines look chicken scratched.

The sticky has plenty of stuff that can help you, check it.

Really just learn the fundamentals but if you want to, give emphasis to your line quality.

>>1488366
I'll do that. God, feel fucking retarded every time I think something looks decent but get told it's shit.

>>1488369
It'll happen a lot.
Be very self-critical, but don't demean your efforts.
Remember that if you keep practicing, eventually you'll draw good.

>>1488345
thanks for the critique. i do draw lots of short lies rather than long flowing ones. i need to work on that.

>>1487958
>>1488110
>>1488351

little update

>>1488596

my god that is fucking amazing! i bet you have a gigantic dick too! WOW

>>1488610

oh thank you :3 that is so sweet of you!

i really needed that anon

>>1488612
personally I don't think it's good at all, so stop feeling so self satisfied

>>1488596
I love the rendering of the tentacle

>>1488614
Hehehe this post. I concur.

>>1488620

thank you

>>1488614
>>1488622

tell me why? (srs)

>>1488624
The tentacle actually looks wet or slimy, and everything else is bland as shit.

>>1488629

:|

lol ... ic ... ic ic ic ...

How/what to improve? I'm not happy with her right shoulder.

>>1488629
Are you new? Of course it's bland, it's a WIP.

>>1488637
>a single line for mouth

..ha..have i overcome the curse of symbol drawing yet

>>1486851

another little update. considering going with an entirely different idea because it felt like the tentacle needs a purpose and just "implying" that there is a kid sleeping in a bed outside of the camera angle is kinda lacking thematically. so now bob the friendly giant kraken has fallen in love with olivia, the plushy octopus.

also fixed the door because it was a clusterfuck of failure perspectively and did some retouching of alot of shit.

>>1488720
I'm sorry for saying it looked like shit earlier. But the tentacle does look really good.

>>1488720
haha going from scary to adorable

>>1488720
thats a cute idea i like it

>>1488724
>>1488726
>>1488727

:D thank you... means alot to me

and i didn't even samefag wow

thanks guise

>>1486908
that ground looks waaaaay to flat, it also needs more details in the background its looking a bit empty

>>1487462
proportions are better in this one but still pretty bad

you seem to be struggling with symbol drawing go back to the sticky

>>1487337
>>1487344
But don't fall in the Liefeld trap!

i am posting my drawing here. Hopefully the noobs can be inspired. I do this for the people

>>1488173
I'd suggest enlarging it to twice the size you accidental saved and then just take the time to go over the thing and sharpen the edges and hard lines and generally just paint a bit over it here and there. You still have a good chunk of work left on it, so it might be worth giving it a go. I think you'd be able to sharpen it up enough to pass with a couple of hours of extra work.

I dunno if this was supposed to be a gift or a commission. But if it's the latter, I would never my self pay for such a small size of the finished result (and even as a gift, I'd be slightly disappointed)

Practicing construction and anatomy, opinions pls

>>1488788
why is the highlight of the shaded area the same value as the lighted area?

Why is the eye thats in shadow the same value as the eye that's in the light?

>>1488801
Proportions are fucked up

>>1488804
How so my fedora wearing pal

>>1488803
its not. When i added a filter to brighten the drawing it fucked the values.

>>1488790
Yeah it's a commision, the guy specified 'a bit bigger than A3' so I think you're suggestion is probably by best bet, I'm just going to finish this up , blow it up and refine some of the edges, luckily due to the lack of detail in the reference I worked kind of smooth anyway so it should be salvageable.

>>1488808
Not him... but he's right, proportions are fucked.

>>1488809
Heh. I knew it was you being an ass in that thread illastrat. Glad I stayed out of it, although this isn't doing a lot for your side of the argument.

Her two eyes are on different planes. Her left eye is pointing upwards while the right inside corner is pointing down. Sloppy linework, especially on the square detailing on the bottom. Careless, scribble shading isn't helping you either, despite you trying to hide it by using thick lines.

You should also work on choosing a light source or do something to give your drawings depth. They're always very flat and lazy looking.

>>1488846
Sloppy line work? Right buddy;)

>>1488864
Your lines overlap and are inconsistent, so yes. I lol'ed when I realized you were the same guy from the other thread, so thanks for that.

>>1488867
You don't state how so. You just say the lines overlap, they are inconsistent, they overlap. Would you use consistent lines in a painting? NO! so why would i use consistent lines in a drawing. Its called line economy. Also The first eye is not on the plane because i didn't shade it to the corner. I agree though about the eye. But the lines and shading is very intentional.

>>1488871
i hope is troll otherwise very unhappily deluded fellow

>>1488871
There you go. These were just the major problem areas for me. Going over edges, repeating and inconsistent lines, and bleeding into other areas is the definition of chicken scratch.

After this post I'm done, so don't expect a response from me even if you type out a book like you did to the anon in the other thread.

>>1488874
the picture i drew is good. it is not stellar but it is good and you can't deny that.

>>1488876
>the other anon in the other thread
>by which i mean me

>>1488877
I was the first to comment that he should show his work because I thought it might be him, but after that I was out lol. I've seen what he does at DA, it's useless trying to talk to him.

I drew this on a piece of cartboard (it was meant to be my new mousepad, i find it confy to use my mouse on cardboard).
Shoul I draw a background to the figure? I'm afraid i could ruin it.

>>1488875

Is this nigger serious.
Updating.

I want it to look like i made it with papers.
Maybe i should have done it cutting and pasting papers in the first place.

>>1488875
It's decent I'll give you that, but nothing outstanding or particularly warranting praise.

Your cheeky remarks seem to imply that you think there is something outstanding and perfect about your drawing though.

I like the way that you did the hair and the composition in nice, you also have some decent value range (even if value is used poorly in effect) and that's about it, keep going but just don't get so cocky.

>>1488881
>I'm afraid i could ruin it.
I remember when I used to think this way, the sooner you learn not to treat every drawing that looks kind of neat as a sacred body is the day you can really start making progress.

>>1488883
Although, I wouldn't add a background to that particular drawing, it doesn't really need one and with a line-art like that the background and foreground would really need to stand out from each other, unless it's some kind of composition in which case you need to really know what you are doing, it's difficult to make complicated line drawings without it looking like an incomprehensible muddle of lines.

>>1488882
Its like an 7.5/10

I just fixed the eye so now it is a 8/10

>>1488888
That's a gross overestimation, It's a 5.5 at best.

Getting there...

>>1488897
I'd agree with this assessment. The basic anatomy being off alone really would never let me put it past that.

>>1488888
>mfw

>>1488899
You've been doing better and better with this, keep going.

The only thing that REALLY strikes me as off is the older woman's eyes. The seem to be shifted to the left.

>>1488904
I think you might be right about the eyes, I might take a look at then when I start up again, thanks.

>>1488888
lol....right, 5.5 at best. lol...u just made that i am HIGHLY skilled and know it

>>1488899

You are doing a good work, keep it going.

>>1488910
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_Kruger
>Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
>tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
Check!
>fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
Check!
>fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
Check!
>recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.
You can still come out this.

>>1488915
He may rant at you nonsensically about this.

Please ignore it. He does not even know the meaning of logic or reason, and no one will be capable of teaching him.

>>1488911
Look at this, this arguably isn't a 10/10, do you really think your 40 minute sketch compares to this?

>>1488919
>>1488919
>inb4 he calls that shit, which he most likely will, further proving >>1488915 right

>>1488919
probably needless to say but this was to >>1488910 I linked the wrong post

>>1487613
Update

Guys, stop responding to "chicken scratch" AKA illustrat. Really not worth it.

It's like the story about the farmer who tried to teach his pig to sing. Who was dumber, the pig because it couldn't sing, or the farmer because he tried to teach it? Point is, reasoning w/ illustrat is a doomed endeavor. Ignoring illustrat, on the other hand, provides immediate life-improving results.

>>1488919
i suppose you are right. But what i drew is one of the top drawings in the thread. so if i am 5.5, everybody else must be 1's and generously 2's.

WIP... I don't usually do such painted pieces like this, usually more flat cartoony ones. How am I doing? Any help would be hugely appreciated

>>1488936

I like it. Be careful. Lips and eyes are flat on the paper, not round on her head.

>>1488934
Well most of the drawthread posts are beginners so don't act like a big fish in a small pond. compare yourself to the best or you'll get complacent.

>>1488938
wow, you're right. it's pretty glaring now that I look at it. how do i begin to go about fixing it?

>>1488934
>drawthreads for general beginner issues
>admits he's still not the best in a beginner thread, but tries to claim to be at an advanced level

mfw

>>1488940
where do the best post? You are right. I am getting very complacent. I get pummeled with negative critiques but when i post in paint and drawing threads i see little to no school. Where do the advanced artists post? Serious question.

>>1488945
hike it to conceptart.org... i haven't participated in the argument so far but your shitting up the thread with this isn't welcome. this is not what the drawthread is for.

>>1488945
It's fine, this is right where you belong. No need to be ashamed, we all have to start somewhere.

>>1488940
where do the best post? You are right. I am getting very complacent. I get pummeled with negative critiques but when i post in paint and drawing threads i see little to no skill. Where do the advanced artists post? Serious question.

>>1488948
This is supposed to go to>>1488949

Not sure how this weird posting happened.

>>1488948
i am not ashamed. I am embarrassed...for you people.

>>1488952
Dunning Kruger. You are at this level. Instead of being ashamed, admit it and grow. You'll be happy you did it later when you actually start to improve and move beyond 30 min sketches/paintings.

>>1488952
So you're saying it's embarrassing for people to be a beginner at a skill?

Wow, you're a fucking asshole. DIAF.

>>1488953
ORLY...lol. First, i am not ashamed. I would just figure due to the amount of criticism i get it would be more skilled people posting. Its sad. This is not the Dunning Kruger effect. I am actually looking with my own eyes.

>>1488951
he fucked up and deleted his post and remade.
>>1488952
>embarrassed for beginners

dude fuck you. that doesn't make you better or even seem better, you're just another bitter artist

>>1488956
In order for it to be Dunning Kruger you would HAVE to be looking with your own eyes. That is one of the requirements. You overestimate YOURSELF, while your mistakes are clear to OTHERS.

>>1488958
>You're just another bitter artist
>This entire conversation

Oh, /ic/ don't ever change

>>1488954
i didnt say that. i just first out of place. If there is a forum where the advance post i will go there. I don't want noobs to feel insulted. We all have to learn.

>>1488956
>>1488960
Lol the other requirement is that he can't see skill in others.

Some psych major should make a study of him.

>>1488962

You are a very entertaining idiot. Please stay.

>>1488952
Oh any by the way, I wasn't say compare yourself with the best because you're in their league, I just wanted you to see that you are someone in the 40th percentile of actual artists. In terms of your skill level you're perfectly suited for /ic/, I wouldn't call you even intermediate yet.

>>1488964
This

>>1488960
i understand. but you can compare two paintings and tell which one is worst. You guys are actually projecting attributes on my art that doesn't exist. Ive won awards and being in shows so i know i am skilled

>>1488962
Conceptart.org

Now get the fuck out and don't come back.

>>1488967
Any idiot can win 'awards' the fact that you can't tell us what the awards are because we won't know them means it's some low level thing, nothing wrong with that but you're overestimating your skill a LOT.

>>1488964
well i am not intermediate. I just started. But i know my eyes aren't decieved. I am in the top 80th in this thread. You are just projecting because of my ego.

>>1488967
Googling your full name with art or award/awarded at the end produces 0 results outside of your Facebook.

Either it was a small local thing or you are lying.

>>1488968
He was already banned from there for general idiocy.

>>1488970
you are just saying that because it reinforces your stance. You know i have skill but you are trying to burn me because of ego. Ive heard all before

>>1488971
>well i am not intermediate. I just started
exactly so you would be way out of your league on concept art.
> I am in the top 80th in this thread.
So what, I think I could safely say that I am in the top 80% of this thread too but I don't have an ego, I still acknowledge that I have a lot to learn.
Until you are in the 99th of /ic/ you will never be 'too good' for this board. there are plenty of users (not just in this draw thread but who post in /ic/ period) who are much much better than you.

>>1488974
Show me your greatest piece of work and I'll honestly tell you if you're as skilled as you think you are. All I've seen is the african girl.

>>1488971
Dude, you are saying you are in the top 80th in this BEGINNER thread, then complaining that everyone here sucks. You're right there with us buddy, your own words confirm it. Nothing wrong with that, just put your effort towards actually improving instead of justifying why you don't have to.

>>1488977

C´mon, don´t chicken out.

>>1488974
see
>>1488972

>>1488899

Their faces look terribly wonky....like they don't have any skeleton

>>1488942

Maybe getting a reference of a girl in the same angle could help. You will have to redraw them.

>>1488972
Now watch how you rationalize this

>>1488983
>functions for the inauguration
>not the inauguration
Wall filler.

>>1488983
ANy idiot can host an event, seriously. post some actual work and an award you won, then we'll talk.

>>1488983
Googling Chauncey Covington Presidential Inaguration art yielded nothing.

done

>>1488986
i told you. rationalization. i can prove it even farther. But again, you are gonna keep rationalizing so its pointless. you will believe what you wanted. But hey, whose deluded?

>>1488989
see>>1488988

>>1488989
I just checked out your facebook page and honestly, I'd put you in the 50th percentile of the draw threads on average, your painting skills are very poor, your drawing is okay but you have a long way to go on the painting field.

I see you sold some paintings but honestly it's not hard to find some average guy with more money than taste who thinks a poor painting looks 'cool'.
If you want the respect of your peers in the field though you have a long long way to go.

>>1488989
Show us a MEANINGFUL AWARD, not some BS about even hosting. You said AWARDS, not "some guy approached me because he needed to fill wall space."

>>1488994
actually I had another look and I'd say maybe even lower, the only people you're better than are the complete noobs who clearly have just started out that week.

your portraits are absolutely horrendous I'm sorry.

>>1488936
I like it! :)
Might need a bit more work on the eyes thou

>>1488989

C´mon man.
Post your best work.
Don´t chicken out.

>>1489001
https://www.fb.com/c.covington.art/photos_stream

>>1489004
>This Connection is Untrusted
lol

>>1489004

>Imageboard
>Post a link

>>1489006
it's because fb redirects to facebook, it's legit, just replace it manually if you don't believe me.

>>1489006
You think?

Clearly the "c.covington.art" was a dead giveaway...don't tell me you actually fell for it.

>>1489009
It's a gallery you mongoloid. and I'm not Chicken scratch I was just posting it for anyone interested.

>>1488982
>>1488942
Might i add, i like how it looks even if it is not anatomically correct.

Maybe you should just keep going and bear it in mind for your next work.

>>1489011
>>1489009
>>1489006

can we stop? this is why nobody takes /ic/ seriously. this guy was banned on cA for his bullshit, proves he's here just to stir shit up and you're letting him

>>1488971
If I were to rate your abilities on a 0-10 chart -
Anatomy 0/10
Gesture 0/10
Perspective 0/10
Color 2/10
Values 1/10
Composition 1/10
Faces Uncanny Valley/10

What is it you're supposed to be good at, exactly? Your figures are terrible, faces worse, colors jarring, compositions weak, perspective non-existant...what exactly is it you think you're good at?

>>1489017
B-but I take you guys seriously...

>>1488999
>>1489013
thanks!

I think I fixed the lips somewhat... I'll try to touch up the eyes next.

>>1489018
lol....i am the worst artist in the world? Right*rolleyes*

>>1489033
What exactly is it you think you're good at?

>>1488994
who said i want to recieve respect from my peers. I hate you guys and look at you as nothing more than competition. I paint simply for a paycheck. That about it.

>>1489037
he said i am horrid. Not noob, mediocre, average, good, great...but horrid. How can i even take that serious considering the awards ive won, competitions ive been in, shows ive had, paintings ive sold?

>>1489039
What exactly is it you think you're good at? Why can't you answer this question? If you are as good as you say, it should be easy.

>>1489038
Respect from other artists is a good indication that you make a decent paycheck, once you move away from mom's house you're going to need to make more than a lucky $200 a month, you will never get a job at your current skill level or even anywhere close.

>>1489014

Not paranoid, just a lazy cunt.

>>1489004
Oh my god what a mess.

It´s awful.

>>1489042
I made 2100$ in the last two months. I am good on top of my pay check

>try to paint from reference
>get frustrated
>quit
>sketch from memory
>more satisfied with it than painting, still sucks
/ic/ plz halp

>>1489053
let's see how long you can keep that going.

>>1489056
I have recurring buyers punk. And yeah, for 4 years of painting i am doing just fine. But I am the one that is transparent of the net. You hide behind anonymity.

>>1489061
>You hide behind anonymity.
Always irrelevant.

What exactly is it you think you're good at? This is not a difficult question.

>>1489061
>4 years of painting

>>1489061
What difference doesn't anonymity make? I could post my portfolio or my facebook but what would that achieve?

>>1489070
He would attack you. He's done it before.

>>1489067
i am beginning to become decent at colors, boldness, and my NEW figurative is not bad. Same with the faces ive done lately. Like I said, i am learning. I know i have a ways to improve but i am comfortable where i am at.

>>1488973
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=241488
Holy fucking shit, this is hilarious

>>1489080
>decent at colors
No, not really. Pic related; the colors are a jarring mess. The high-contrast differences, with little/no blending, leave no where for the eyes to rest, and ruin the composition.

>>1489084
Whoops, forgot pic

>>1489081
>all those professional artists giving him the smackdown

Hahahaha

Just report the guy for blatant trolling and move on

>>1489086
Moving on; The eyes are terrible. Your eyes are consistently the thing you are the worst at. This is one of your better faces, but it's lopsided, and the eyes aren't level. And the hair isn't even rendered at all, it looks like plastic, and she looks like she's wearing a garbage bag.

>>1489086
I knew you were going to pick that one....i am not consistent. some paintings are better than other ones.

<-- a perfect composition, color harmony, narrative, impasto, bold, striking realism

>>1489088
Oh, and boldness? That's a load of shit, bro.

>>1489088
moving on: noted boldness, color harmony, impasto expressivness, decent anatomy.

>>1489094
forgot the photo

>>1489090
>>1489094
Dunning Kruger my god. This is insanity.

I wish I could take a look through your eyes and see how the fuck you can say these things.

album cover wip

>>1489098
Dunning Kruger?
<--------this?

Freddy Kruger?

>>1489097
>boldness
no it's muddy
> color harmony
no it's muddy
> impasto expressivness
impasto is a technique nothing more, it's not a good or a bad thing but you're impasto technique is poor and not particularly expressive.
>decent anatomy.
don't make me laugh she looks like a goblin. and her torso is a complete mess I can't even tell what that is.

>>1489090
You're seriously delusional.... the only thing you have going is color harmony and that requires BASIC knowledge of color theory.

>>1489101
The head of the bird on the right looks quite nice but I'm inclined to say that it must have been a fluke given how shit the one on the left looks.

>>1489100
I don't think the painterly style looks good next to the vectored lettering. Pick one or the other

>>1489090
>perfect composition
Nope. You've got a lot of purposeless negative space, and the entire thing is static.
>color harmony
Not really. It lacks appropriate values, so even though you've gone with the blue/orange contrast, it's flat.
>narrative
What narrative? It's a portrait of a dog. There is no narrative.
>impasto
>bold
Impasto and bold are neither good/bad qualifiers, they just ARE. Unless you are somehow implying that fine detail work is bad, in which case you're retarded.
>striking realism
Hahahahahaha are you fucking kidding? The eyes are completely flat and dead looking, the nose is a jumbled mess, the neck rather than being fold defined by light/dark values is just a few poorly handled strokes, and dark colors have been used to define edges like a drawing.
>>1489097
>color harmony
Teal and red! Rather than achieve true harmony you're just throwing complimentary colors together and hoping it will work. It doesn't.
>decent anatomy
How do you figure? Her neck looks broken, and her back looks heavily disfigured. Not to mention her eye is way, way too low on her face.

>>1489103
like i said. 4 years of experience off and on.

>>1489112
4 years of experience doesn't mean anything. I know a guy who's painted for 40 and he's terrible at it.

>>1489112
four years if fucking ages.

>>1489113
point that most people have been painting all their life and still cant get it. I am not a realist but for neo-expressionism (oh don't say that) i do just fine and i will be fine. You guys know that deep down. I am one of the lucky ones that actually have some skill to account for. I'll be just fine in 4 more.

>>1489117
stop relying on some magical 'skill' that you think you have and pick up a fucking book or two.

>>1489118
right bud.

>>1489117
>can't paint a reliable face
>can't paint a decent landscape
>can't into colors
>can't into composition
>can't into content
>can't into figures
>can't into dynamic poses
>can't into anything really
Skill implies you've learned something and are able to reliably demonstrate the results of that. You can't. Deep down, really deep down, I know that you suck. Even kitsch artists like Kinkade are far better than you.

>>1489126
but YOU are not better

>>1489136
I'm sorry, can you read my mind? Peer through time and space into my room? Mystically divine the appearance of my work on a bowl of water?

Haha, of course not.

But, even if I'm not better than you, I'm better off than you, because I realize what it is to be skilled and what it takes to be skilled. Being able to discern this is perhaps the single most critical skill to being good at anything, period.

>>1489136

But i am. And i am not even good.

>>1489136
>being this bitter

>>1489141
For me skill is whether someone will invest money into something and put it on their walls. So as long as i sell i am happy.

>>1489142
post up some art then

for a highschool assignment

>>1489171
right...

>>1489176
what a fucking mess.

up

>>1486851
Khajiit character I am designing from the Elder Scrolls (I'm also the guy who posted the Prequel Rule 63 sketch awhile back), so this is technically not a furry. If that still bothers you, don't click the thumbnail.

My current debacle is this: Should I keep the fur tufts on his cheeks or have them the way they are in the bottom left? I like the smooth face but he'd look less Khajiit and more Egyptian cat.

Also, despite my photoshop dark magic, I can't resize the image to 50%. I apologize.

>>1489332
Image reference for main pose.

>>1488596
the bottom of the door is bugging me, I don't know why

Quick self portrait from mirror via colored pencil

Hand and foot study, via charcoal