/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

glad you're back, Sketchbook Thread

Anon, the right leg is too short. The length can be determined by swinging an arc from the pelvis to kneecap. The knee of the (non foreshortened) leg is tangential to that arc.

Also, wrong foot on leg... Rookie mistake.

>>1482356
>>1482359
Bud, dunno if you're just trying to trademark the name but I'll just say this aloud for lurking newfriend sakes.

Sage goes in the email field. Also protip: sage is usually (but not limited to) meant to accompany responses irrelevant to the thread topic because we all just gotta say something completely off the wall from time to time, it's natural and common.

tl;dr you're using sage wrong d/ic/khead

>>1482362
Great contribution to the thread! Good crit he can put whatever he wants wherever he wants you angry cancerous peon

>>1482377
>notsureiftrollingorjustretarded.png

>GIRT CUNTIBPFTSHN 2 TA TRRURD!
>HURR DURR HAFSUM SHITPZT'N CZZ TADZ MURR RELAPHANT!

1/10 I cracked a smirk, stay retarded.

>>1482315
head looks too small but it's neat

>>1482391
i feel like you could use another tone in your mid-tone range, your darker areas look cool but when it gets lighter it gets a bit flatter. a bit like an overexposed photo.

>>1482393
Put more work into shaping the feet, man. Your torsos are looking nice, but don't become that guy who always crops the feet out

>>1482296
some doodles, really just rejoicing in the sketchbook thread being back up

>>1482391
>>1482315
fuck you assholes are good, how many years of school have you done?
this isnt a sketch really since i inked it, but i severely fucked up the anatomy and the placing of his right foot in particular, also i really messed up the effect of puffiness on his jacket, made him look pregnant. please help me what have i done wrong oh lord how do i do better

Quick sketch on the fly.

Sketch of a midget that got out of hand and turned into a quick birthday gift.

>>1482536
50s rocket doesn't suit space punk, therefore trash.

>>1482567

Interesting assessment since I invented the term...

There is no space punk genre.

>>1482567
Also that design would be indicative of the 40s.

Pic related.

>>1482569
same thing as a cyber punk, obviously

>>1482570
It means that since I got first dibs I decide what goes into it.

>>1482532
You sound underage. I don't know if you really are or not, but you just sound like it. If you are underage, then that's really good because that means you can get miles ahead of everyone else.

It's not really school that helped them (although it may have been a booster if they did go to school). It's that they draw from life. They learned how things work. They drew naked people for countless hours. Yadda yadda dribble dribble. Here's how to improve your drawing; Stop drawing what you are comfortable with and cut out the cartoon/stylized crap for a year or two. In that period, do nothing but draw people and animals, preferably from life but it can be from photos too for model convenience issues. After that, then draw what you like to draw. I can almost guarrentee that you'll be better at drawing, no matter what style it is. Of course, you could just ignore all of that and remain stagnate for the rest of your life, but really the choice is yours; Skill and talent, or Mediocrity and mental retardation.

>>1482575
40s V2 simpleton.

>>1482572
nope i have decided, sci-fi word + punk = cyber punk, they're all the same thing. if it didn't look like a cyber punk you would have an argument, but it does. and 50s rockets don't go with them.

>>1482575
Also Ghost in a Shell gold standard for Cyber punk.

notice lack of mohawk.

I suspect you're deriving the 'punk' part simply from the feature and can't make a sound judgment otherwise.

Also you're a poor troll.

>>1482573
You'd better tell him to learn basic forms and its attachment, at first.
>>1482532
Dive into Vilppu. Sit and draw. If you don't understand something, do not stop. Of course, if you're REALLY interested in.

>>1482576
that is a toy spaceship from the 50s.

>>1482584

No, the picture you're showing is a 3D render.

Though there were likely 50s toys made like this, they are derived from the 40s v2 rocked.

Pic is 50s era rocked.

Atlas-D rocket.

Keep trying though.

>>1482578
oh i see, cyberpunk begins and ends with anime does it hm hm hm. i see we have some real experts here.

>>1482590

You ever read 'Burning Chrome' son?

If not you need to shut the fuck up.

>>1482591
why yes i have, that backs up my point doesn't it?

>>1482592

If you've read it, tell me what happens to the girl.

Then tell me how many limbs the main character had.

>>1482592
Cyberpunk has nothing to do with the punk style, ya doofus. Right off of wikipedia, it's "high tech, low life", meaning it takes place in a futuristic, dystopian sort of setting. Cities filled to the brim with prostitution and drugs. Blade Runner and Mass Effect are both sci-fi works of fiction. Blade Runner is cyberpunk. Mass Effect, even if it had characters with mohawks and noserings, is not.

>>1482594
doesn't she get new eyes or something and i think the main guy has a robot arm, maybe that's a different one though

>>1482624

That Sparknotes have failed you.

So how long did you have to speed through it to find all that? Did you actually read it or just hunt for the parts I mentioned?

Better yet. How did he lose his arm.

>>1482626
no i've read it, it was about 10 years ago though. i think he lost his arm in a hang-gliding accident but it was hang gliding in a war or something, what did happen to her then? i remember she she prostituted herself and bought some new eyes but i don't remember anything else about her.

>>1482631
The time it took you to respond for my original question leaves me with doubts to how truthful you are.

I suspect you of being caught in a lie and rushing to save face by quickly going over the short story.

>>1482633
it couldn't of been that long i just watched a painting demo on youtube
this guy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGRtUgVUgg&feature=share&list=UU3N7xpi35fpI34RKc8zZX1Q

he's not that great but for someone as new as me it's very useful

>>1482636
He's not terrible.

is some arms, i think i got the refs from a thread here, i picked the one's which were a bit awkward, probably a poor decision as far as read goes lol

>>1482362
>You're usng sage wrong
I think you're too fast at jumping to conclusions. Maybe he just forgot it in the name field from when he put it in all fields as a sign of disapproval.

>>1482460
Shit, that is my worst nightmare. I've sort of overhauled my entire process, construction - rendering so I'm just trying to figure things out again. I plan on hitting hands, feet and heads as separate entities. But I'm still trying to figure out on my own what shapes make up the face, hands and feet on my own before consulting loomis/vilppu/bridgman.

And I just realized this sketch is basically a huge hand/foot hide.

I'm trying to into humans, critique plox, especially on form.

>>1483017
Maybe you should actually study the figure for a while and then move on to drapery later.

Up until now, I was really egotistical about my art.

I did a lot of thinking, as well as not drawing for almost a year.

And this is what I did, after realizing that drawing is something I'm truly passionate about. Thoughts on this thing? I know it's almost NOTHING. But I still want you guys to say something.

h-how is it..?

>>1483063

>>1483107
I'm trying to make new settings but I've never really freehanded shit before.

>>1482775
...which would be the wrongest possible way to use it.

I feel like the values around the eyes dont give a proper reading in terms of form/planes.

>>1483115
I think there would be some reflected lighting on the inside of the eye socket right underneath the brow. And maybe take the kneaded and remove some value from the eyelid itself

>>1483120
Ah, I see what you mean there. I'll get on that! Just gently bring out the forms a little more around the sockets and lid then?

>>1483124
Yeah, because all that light hitting the cheek would reflect up towards the socket. It looks alright so far. Just keep in mind how the eyelids wrap around the eyeball

>>1483108
This might feel like spam, but I really just feel like drawing right now

>>1483126
Thanks dude! I know it's lazy of me to ask, but could you point me to any sort of archive/resource reference with monochromatic portraits? I need to work on tones and forms so.

>>1483132
http://www.mediafire.com/download/40ndyifa3k45eew/Academic.rar

This is one of the links in the sticky. It's a huge collection of study works from artists across europe and russia. It's all charcoal and graphite and theres a section for portraits

>>1483144
Ah I meant photoreference (I only models every now and then) but that's fantastic! Thank you so much!

>>1483146
>>1483144
*have models every now and then.

>>1483130

First time gesture drawing and first time posting on /ic/

Any advice is welcome.

Could it be possible i'll do more harm than good the way I'm drawing right now?

Are there some big mistakes I'm making?

Even advice on brush (type/size), color, compression or whatever is welcome.

I'll dive into Vilppu.

Thanks in advance.

>>1483155
Not much wrong you can do with gesture studies. Just keep doing them!

>>1483155
You're thinking of form and contour way too much, and not about movement and volume. But you said you're getting into Vilppu so you'll see what I mean.

>>1482990
As someone with a foot fetish I would greatly appreciate it if you did put that work in

>>1483157

I'm glad about that. I will definitly put some work into it!

>>1483160

Yeah, you got a point. I'm looking forward to it.


Also I was wondering; in this case I was taking about 40 seconds for each drawing.

Would it be better for a beginner to increase the amount of time to observe, or doesn't it really matter and is a time between 30-60 seconds fine for a beginner too?

>>1483155
As you'll learn very quickly from Vilppu, draw lines of action rather than the contour, or "outline".
I personally find it much more helpful to watch his video demonstrations rather than his books, which I found to be a bit "step one, draw a circle, step two, draw the rest of the fucking owl"

if it's even just the first chapter, watch the video version. gesture is important, so pick the most effective way of learning it

>>1483166
Vilppu will tell you that speed will come. Take your time and "feel the pull"

Gesture drawings aren't supposed to always be these 30 second rushed type of things. There's absolutely no problem with spending a minute or two on em. Think about placing your lines and having them represent the movement and the space the object is taking up.

>>1483168
anymore another couple thingies i did a while back while studying vilppu myself.

i did these after watching the circular form video.

>>1483170
only find the one on the bottom right successful here

>>1483151
>tfw my posts are ignored

>>1483168
How long did you study this before you got to the point you are at now? I've watched pretty much everything Vilppu has done about this subject and tried digging into his books as well (only to be struck by the circle-owl problem) and I still can't draw anything even remotely close to what gesture drawings are supposed to look like. My... "things" look more like roadkills than people or motion

It's like my head just doesn't understand how to do this and make them look like humans

>>1483169
>>1483170

Thanks a lot guys (I pressume).

I'll listen and watch Vilppu then, as it seems he will point out the things I've been wondering. He will most likely cover more than enough for a beginner like me.

Thanks, I'll go back to study, maybe more posts in a week or so.

>>1483063
>>1483107
>>1483108
>>1483130
>>1483151
>>1483174
pls guys...anything.

>>1483197
get thinner pens
draw thinner people

>>1483200
My bad for deleting. OK I have thinner pens at my disposal, but what do you mean draw thinner people?

>>1483200
>>1483174
OK I tried again. I never shaded this seriously before but I wanted to make it my best attempt.

>>1483267
Im not really an artist at all but i do have one tip

Less is more when shading

>>1483278
Fuck you asshole

>>1483278
>Im not really an artist

>>1483267
Take your time-- you're trying to tackle way too many things at once

You need a light source in the face.

>>1483297
I think you're right. Trying to get the form just through hatching was crazy stressful. That's why it's so messy and like the other anon said, less is more

>>1483299
But the face is not visible in >>1482296

>>1483302
In HIS style of shading his light source was lost. The face is JUST a source to start from. You can try to copy it and perfect the style from it or adapt your'e own.

>>1483316
>you're

Man, are you drunk?

>>1483318
Sorry I didn't know it was obligated to have a grammer nazi in thread. My bad.

>>1483320
You mean "in the thread."
and:
>didn't know it was obligated
>grammer

>>1483323
Anon. Are you having fun? This thread is about ART not grammer.

>>1483325
Yes. I'm in tears.

>grammer

>>1483326
>>1483325
>>1483323
>>1483320
>>1483318
>>1483316
This is hilariously embarrassing for both sides.

>>1483316
You are talking about >>1483267 correct? This is confusing

>>1483331
Correct.

>>1483333
Nice quads. Oh then I drew that, the 'grammer' nazi.

I read your previous post again, but I still don't know what you mean.

>>1483336
As an artist you develope a style. I assume for the head you used a source. The shading style is rough which my be the style you adopted. OP was saying you can't see head in source.. I simply stated sources can be used as a template so to speak to get the form. From that find the light source and shade the form to your preference.

>>1483340
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think I know what you mean. Thank you, kind foreigner!

>>1483361

>>1483362
That woman is great.

>>1483362
That chimp is kawaii.

here I go!

>>1483437
These are good, even though you should try to medicate that Parkinsons of yours.

>>1483448
I like em. The twitchiness gives a sense of life to them

>>1483455
Thanks! I am glad you like them.

>>1483437
gorsh i do this shit for my contour practice

>>1483192
Well I've been drawing for a long time (studying art in school, going to life drawing classes, etc.) so when I started studying Vilppu I wasn't completely clueless about how to draw. I just wanted to learn an easier technique to go about doing what I already had some sort of vague idea of how to do

>>1483433
>>1483437
do you live in the woods or something?
nice stuff

>>1483111
WOWW, you know how to sage, and you can correct people in the most pretentious way, you're so cool, your life must be so fulfilled if you spend it doing this. You're most definitely not in the extreme scale of neck beard basement dwellers
please please please teach me more about how to be a douche hat, please, i love to learn

>>1483547
either contribute or leave. this isn't the animu thread.

I guess the more movement/volume less form/contour is still applies on this one too.

In comparison to:
>>1483155

Will finish Vilppu lecture today and will practice more.

Damn, I love holidays.

>>1483593
>I guess the more movement/volume less form/contour is still applies on this one too.
yep, but this is still loads better than before.
i think when you are faced with muscle bound figures you get caught up in contour

pic related is how i think you should try to approach them more.
also, if you want another approach to gesture, check out Proko's new video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

he emphasizes capturing movement a lot and his technique might make it easier to see exactly what sort of lines you should be making

>>1483267

been keeping a small 4x6 sketchbook for a week or so. the original intent was to go and sketch from life, but i haven't really had the chance. most of these were done from imagination/memory before i went to bed.
1/8

>>1483721
2/8

>>1483722

>>1483724
4/8

>>1483725
5/8

>>1483728
6/8

>>1483729
7/8

cifyicl illustrates

>>1483730
8/8

>>1483733
>>1483730
>>1483729
>>1483728
>>1483725
>>1483724
>>1483722
>>1483721
They all have shiteating grins

working on my flat eye problem

>>1483735
it's not bad compare to a lot of the shit we get here tbh. I just wish s/he'd stop with the fucking chicken scratches and draw a fucking body

>>1483736
actually it is bad, and don't samefag please. revisit your fundamentals

>>1483737
In the funny little eyeball-wall exercise, how come the lines going down the middle of the eyeballs don't align? Are you just dumb or what

>>1483695
I want people to tell me I have what it takes to make good manga

Speaking of shit eating grins.... I just had to push out this turd!

>>1483759
Everything is wrong.

>>1483761
Captcha: Surgeon kenyegy

>>1483764
He's right.. literally not one thing is correct anatomically with that face. You have an extreme amount of work ahead of you.

>>1483765
B-b-but the grin!

>>1483765
What are you talking about, moron? There's the eyes, nose with nostrils, and mouth. What more could you ask for?

>>1483771
I meant proportionally.

>>1483773
Nah hes just big chinned. Go easy on the poor fellow, he probably got teased in school for that oversized downside.

Last gesture collection for today. Done after watching the first Vilppu as adviced.

Hope it's once more an improvement to:
>>1483593

Feel kinda glad, learning more in a few hours than in a few years doodling around. Thanks for the advice.

I think I earned a beer, cheers.

P.s. If spamming my gesturepractices isn't allowed in this thread please tell me, I'll stop then.

>>1483742
I like how from the entire page, you just focused on the little bad "i lost hope so i leave it" exercise i did

this really shows how much effort you put to give this worth and good construtive feedback and not just posting useless comments which add nothing to no one and nothing in this world

i was not expecting on getting any good feedback, but im just curious why would anyone post a comment of "ah you are bad at drawing, that it"

so yeah im pissed at you, at least give some advice or useful feedback on the rest of the drawing you faggot

>>1483780
"there's nothing more pathetic than a talentless hack pretending that he wants constructive criticism"

>>1483785
i post my stuff so people could tell me of mistakes or give some tips
not so some asshole would insult me

and there is nothing wrong in wanting someone to give you feedback

>>1483788
l o l

>>1483785
damn, thats harsh even by my standards. And I have some issues

>>1483785
Can we use skill instead of talent

>>1483741
not even same fag though, at least his face isnt cartoonish as fuck
see
>>1483267
>>1483174
>>1483151
>>1483108
>>1482503

>>1483797
I'm w-working on it

>>1483797
But these
>>1482503
>>1483730
are the same in terms of quality. I'd say they're the same artist, too.

>>1482296
>>Remember to resize images larger than 1500x1500

You can also upload your images to another site such as Flickr, a Facebook page, or your own website and provide a like here.

Various face constructions.
Upwards tilt is
a bitch

>>1483808
lol

>>1483832
A link you mean? Most people won't want to follow links to an image on an imageboard

keep going, also, check your proportions, the eyes are on the middle of the face. The middle. The eyes youve drawn are too high. Also, I'd recommend doing more still lives of basic shapes. Right now that will help you out a lot.

>>1483484
I went to the country side for practice. Mainly Sergiyev Posad and Abramtsevo.
Could've been much much more, but I blame my laziness.

>>1483835
They all look awkward.
Mot of them are just fucked up anatomically, especially the bottom left one.
First learn how to construct the head from basic 3d shapes, then learn how to draw the details and then the lighting.

You can't just draw a bad base and expect that "shading" fixes everything.

Also you should read loomis' books.

>>1484247
Thanks.
Ive read 3 Loomis‘ books.
I think I know how to construct from basic shapes. So that leaves anatomy...
Heres my process for construction.
Some things are bound to look shitty because Ive been studying for 2 months. But i see improvement every week or so.

>>1484272
I suggest you learn to how draw different mouths, eyes, noses, ears and so on.
Then do some/A LOT reference studies and go from there.
Good tip is always to measure, check proportions and never ever rush.

>>1484278
Thanks again.
>Never ever rush.
Yeah thing is when I'm burnt out I rush like a maniac, buy I'll try and get around that.
But yeah as far as ref sudies go I do them from time to time and found them to be greatly useful.
Started out on a video tut by Dave Finch on "Drawing the head". Basically its related to Gnomon workshop stuff.

dude, way less reading and way more drawing. you can read all you want, but reading doesnt make you any better at drawing.

>>1483789
Fucking skeletons, they are everywhere!

A quick look at pandas and why they look the way they do

>>1484765
Could be better, man.

What do hands even do even!?! Fuck hands. I hate hands....

its happening

Have you ever had a feeling of discomfort when you come to a new place?
I went to cafe, because buisness lunch is cheap and I was tired of fastfood. My pants were all covered in oily paint blops, spaghetti were falling from my fork all the time, soup's too hot,music is too loud. It's like everything hated on me.

>>1485079
I like this.
I would put this up on a wall.

>>1484787
I should really visit the zoo as soon as I can. It's been a long time since I've drawn animals from life.

>>1485081
"Неуверенные линии".

>>1485275
>>1485081
What's the best way to learn russian, guys?

Think these were about 15 minutes each..

>>1485288
Tits, forgot to resize, apologies.

>>1485284
I can't really tell, actually. Try combining conventional ways with watching movies with subtitles, listening to songs, immersing yourself with the culture.

>>1485293
The majority uses the extension now, which has "fit on screen" option for expanding images.

>>1485288
i like how you used the water colours and such, bit schielesque

>>1485295
Thanks anon, I actually made this crappy one lined scribble thing a few minuets ago, I think schiele influences are working their way into my stuff.

ttt

How about some fantasy!

Improvement or worse? I feel like I'm still making some major mistakes though...

>>1483779

Trying to get the point where I can draw undetailed, but generally accurate bodies.

>>1486539
are these from mind?

anyways, good job.

>>1486551
photo references

>>1483695
I really like this for some reason.Not even an art/draw fag

>>1486803

I don't have a sketch book

Is this good for a High school sophomore?

>>1486805
neeto

>>1486824
I feel it seems well oriented. Which, in my opinion, is what you want to work on as you're just getting started. In other words, I have no clue what that is supposed to be, but it's definitely eye catching and apears well balanced. I'm not really one to give advice though. As I know next to nothing about theory and the such.

>>1486827
To simplify, I'd recomend doing as you're doing some more. Just doodling various shapes and whatnot before you begin concentrating on actually drawing anything that's actually a thing. Tends to be loads more fun that way anyway

sanic

Did I get anything (noticeably) wrong?

ttt

Drapery yo

45 min life drawing class. Am happy with the composition but can see many flaws. Would appreciate crit - thankee

I've been trying

>>1487387
you should be able to do a lot better in 45 mins. I suggest focusing on accurate rendering of the form first. The details isn't as important.
(see that draft sketch on the side of the drawing)

>>1482391
>>1482393
Really nice.
>>1482652
I like the values even if your anatomy and shading could be better.
>>1482990
Wowza!
>>1483017
>>1483063
>>1483107
>>1483108
Draw nekkid people first. At the moment your clothes have a very tenuous relationship with the people who are supposed to be wearing them. Also, why pen? You're making life difficult for yourself.
>>1483115
Fucking love this, although it looks a bit more like a mask than a human face.

>>1487509
I'm the guy that did >>1483115
glad you like it! Might it be because of the lack of attention given to the rest of the image- neck, drapery and hair? Makes the face feel flat?
I also did >>1487383 today and I'm gonna post some rougher portrait studies in a bit.

>>1483325
>implying grammar isn't art

anon, just drop it because we can do this all day

>>1487435
My god that is gorgeous.

self

>>1483115
Dude who did this here, have since done a few sketches and studies from >>1483144
the link this kind anon provided.

more crap

some quick figs

>>1487758
neat.
could use more confidence though.

Quality lines in construction. According to /ic/ it's possible to draw without lines being straight.

>>1488026
I'm confused

>>1484867
Good values, but her shoulders are super-broad!

>>1488040
Construction. You can draw all shapes and proportions this way.

>>1488047
I know what construction is, but I was wondering whether that pic was supposed to be an example of quality lines, because they sure aren't. It's certainly not an example of construction either because there isn't a shape there; hence the confusion.

>>1488064
I can't learn how to draw lines and /ic/ considers lines unimportant so it's fine. This is my style of drawing lines.

>>1488077
>/ic/ considers lines unimportant so it's fine
What?
Lines are super important.

>>1488079
This is my style of drawing.

>>1488077
ok, don't ever use your style as an excuse.

Where are you getting that lines aren't important? And why would you take any advice here with more than a grain of salt in the first place? Nothing here is law, and there are no laws in art.

But with that being said, there are certain criteria, a logical taxonomy to drawing that should be loosely followed. Drawing lines is an innate skill. It's not something you need to learn how to do; it's at the base of the drawing pyramid. So right off the bat you're hampering yourself by claiming you, "can't learn how to draw lines." You're one step off from the people that make threads about how to grip a pencil.

If you're already getting so caught up on your lines, maybe you need to take your mind off them, by either negative space drawing or painting either digitally, or with physical media like markers, paints,etc.

-

>>1488083
>i-it's my style!
Said every mediocre artist ever.

>>1488581
i lyke it m8. i lyke it alott

>>1488586
A-Arigato

>>1489203
shit, that's awesome!

I have a question, am I doing these exercises right? They're from Peter Han's workshop, the left is combining simple shapes, the right is contour. I've got this nagging feeling something is wrong.

>>1489299
They're not bad but it's not really the type of thing where you do one page and 'voila'.. You gotta do a few of these, and then start breaking down forms of real objects on your own

>>1486851
Khajiit character I am designing from the Elder Scrolls (I'm also the guy who posted the Prequel Rule 63 sketch awhile back), so this is technically not a furry. If that still bothers you, don't click the thumbnail.

My current debacle is this: Should I keep the fur tufts on his cheeks or have them the way they are in the bottom left? I like the smooth face but he'd look less Khajiit and more Egyptian cat.

Also, despite my photoshop dark magic, I can't resize the image to 50%. I apologize.

>>1487435
>>1488024
>>1487603
Damn you all, you talented guys make my heart heavy. I hope I can into Da Vinci mode someday.
>>1484787
Nice. I was going to lament on how there are no zoos in Southern Maine, but I just googled it and I had no idea there was a legitimate zoo in my area. I'll have to check it out.

>>1489363
Whoa, sorry, forgot to take out the link to the older thread.

Also, here is the reference I used for the top right pose.

>>1483115
The right eye is veering upwards a bit. Nice rendering.

I'm trying to visualize movement..

>>1482315
That left leg is HUGE

>>1483743
That sucks then, doesn't it?

>>1487435
dA? tumblr? something?

>>1489606
oh thats not even mine. It's by Colleen Barry. Shouldve stated, I thought everyone knew
http://www.colleenbarryart.com/colleenbarryart.com/DRAWINGS.html

>>1489608
Thanks.
I come here from time to time, couldn't say I'm a connoisseur

something i did the other day while it was slow at work.

>>1489363
I didn't go to a zoo for those panda sketches though.. Nearest one to me is Franklin Park about an hour away. Thanks for the compliment

I tried drawing a beach once. I really cannot do composition, or rendering, or anything really.

>>1490201
Looks like a grey mess. Try using darker blacks next time.

>>1490204
I have that problem with a lot of stuff I try to do. Usually because I only ever have access to shitty pencils whenever I get the urge to draw, so I'm trying to get into the habit of carrying around a little set of several decent ones.

>>1490214
You could just use a black brush pen for your darks, mid tones with pencil.

Quick questions: Did you guys felt unconfortable having a sketchbook at first? Because I do. I only use it when I'm on the go and want to doodle something I see. When I'm at home I prefer using regular paper.
I guess things may change as I improve.

Thinking of giving this to a family member.
Since its the only "nice" thing i've done in ages. Usually I draw terrible stuff.
What think about it IC?

>>1490646
Better looking version.
However that head makes me want to kill myself.
Can I get suggestions on shading and technique?
I tried using the side of the pencil more in this. Not sure if it paid off, and not sure if i should add more detail with the pencil normaly or it will ruin it.
hmm

>>1482296
Crit on this? Mainly technique.

>>1486805
dang, how large is this? that's some bizarre detail for just a pen

>>1490653
Painted it in PS while I wait.
As you can tell i;m bad w/ color.
Might be a little off since i'm using flux so my eyes don't die.

>>1490676
pen?
It's pencil.
Also its quite small. probs 15cmx10cm

>>1490684
oh pssh
how dark it was made me think pen, everything i do in pencil is really high key so i'm not used to seeing shades like that in graphite.
seriously impressive though for that small. how much time did you spend on it? are those patterns that you draw a lot?

>>1490685
I would not take advice from my as i'm still shit.
This is the first drawing i've done in ages.
But it took me like 20-25mins.
I don't know what you mean by those patterns, I'll post an older work and you can decide for yourself.

>>1490686
oh - just the overall structure of the piece in >>1486805 made me think it might be a conglomeration of patterns you doodle / draw a lot, i come up with a lot of my larger pieces through forms that emerge in throwaway drawings. you've got some serious talent doe, with versatility like that.

>>1490686
stop acting like some passive agressive pseudo humble faggot. that looks good, 20-25 minutes isn't a long time for a sketch like that and you know it. you people already make me jealous, no need to act like a smimey cunt too.

>>1490686
Is that pen or pencil? How big is that? Did you draw a gesture first?

>>1490713
relax, why are you trippin? Her head is huge and she's got baby shoulders, among other proportions issues.

>>1490713
I don't know why you are mad, or what at.
So...
...Fuck you.

>>1490719
Pencil
About the size of my hand. Lost it.
No idea, sorry.

>>1490722
your lines look a bit laxidasical. Take a bit more care from the planningg/construction to the rendering. You're in no rush here

>>1490722
your feet is too boxy and bloated. Baby feets man

>>1490730
Sir, its " lackadaisical ".

I'm new to drawing and have maybe 20 hours in if that

Anyways, what can I do better? The top left is all dark because I need to add hair to it

I took a shot in the dark with the shading really, and this was kind of just a first attempt

So yeah, help me out please

Any comments would be helpful.

My scanner made my drawings lighter.

>>1490905

Gonna be dumping stuff, crit at your leisure.

>>1490916

more stuff

>>1490918

some more stuff. you know what? ill number it now.

so this is 3/? i guess

>>1490920

4/?

>>1490925

5/9

>>1490927

6/9

>>1490932

7/9

>>1490934

8/9

>>1490942

9/9 have fun shitting on me

>>1482296
>Acid Free paper.
What's the difference?

>>1490949
Acid content.

>>1490949
acid free paper resists the evils of the atmosphere

>>1490947
Have more confidence, and take the time to add shading.

>>1488026
The fuck is this? Are you trying to make a reference to the technique of angling? That's the only thing I could get out of this aside from you possibly being some kind of cultist faggot who is drawing satanic symbols.

>>1490975

will do, i have a bit of confidence, its just the first time im posting here. also, yeah i want to shade, but im more interested in inking, and all of these are things i havent inked and colored/shaded. here is something i did a week ago, with some of that of which you suggested

>>1490975
>>1490947
Having more confidence is good and all but you gotta know how.
Check out Peter Han's videos on dynamic sketching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk


Now, you seem to undervalue the importance of geometrical shapes.
Boxes, spheres, cylinders, etc....
These are your building block and I noticed you completely skip construction in favor of, what is essentially, symbols.

I'd ask you to not pay much attention to "shading" or values at the moment. Use shapes to describe the form, shadows and values will come naturally as you develop your drawing.

And check Villpu's videos, specifically "Drawing Manual", he goes into depth about the importance of these shapes.

Draw from life, etc...

>>1490982

thanks, you are right, i dont put down any construction. i recently started using those boxes n shit for hands, and ive been slowly working my way up. but you're right, i need to stop with the symbols, because things from agnles make no sense when they're done. thanks for the tips

>>1490981
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/7409774/Vilppu_Studio._%28Anatomy__Drawing_Manual__Head_Anatomy_and_Constr

Torrent for Vilppu's stuff.

Also, study perspective.
Really, sometimes putting a character in perspective can change everything for the best, foreshortening, values, composition, they all make use of perspective.
And don't dick around, study hard if you really want to become a pro.
I shit you not.
If you spend 8 hours doodling silly stuff or playing video games, don't, instead use those 8 hours to learn the theory, apply it to your life drawings and then study some more.

Stylization comes later, because stylization is a process of abstraction, and abstraction can only be done correctly if you have studied a subject correctly.

Even fucking Picasso studied realism in depth before stylizing his work.

>>1490987 i agree wholeheartedly, im just a fucking idiot. also im only 17, i got time. i just need to use it. also thanks for the torrent. wow first time posting here i get great help, ill be coming back for a second helping someday, thanks guys.

>>1490993
The irony of it all.

>>1490730
A question on that, I try to make the marks kind of expressive, but they usually come out looking lazy. How can i make expressive large marks that look good?
I'm not really a fan of super detailed drawings, they usually go a little stale and the detail seems unneeded.

>>1490780
Anyone? Is there anything I can improve/work on?

Another dose of line drawing. I've trained line drawing for 2 hours before making this.

>>1491065
Try to do em in one try, rather than taking multiple attempts at a line

>>1491083 until you can conjure a real lion from the air by pure force of will, you can always improve and work on everything.
stop thinking in 2d. i suggest construction & life drawing. after that do some bargue.

>>1490812
>I'm new to drawing and The top left is all dark because I need to add hair to it and this was kind of just a first attempt.
stop making excuses, don't let the illusion of ego kill your progress. you suck because you suck. we all did.
>>1490680
try doing some color studies with just the hard round; no opacity jitter. by some i mean thousands. algen has some good examples of this on his blog. learn how color actually works. and anatomy.
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=107217
>>1489572
have you read muybridge or walt stanchfield's stuff? if not, do.
>>1489299
do way more of them. maybe try taking some complex objects around you and reduce them to primitives. do 123 renders and basic shadow casting too.
gj errybody

>>1491098
It might be daily dose until /ic/ will teach me how to draw straight lines.

>>1491243
Yeah how old are you?

May as well post some of my stuff.
3 1/2 x 5 1/2 sketch book. The most recent was the bottom right. I'll take any advice you have.

>>1491318
67

people don't look past page 0

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>>1487092
what is this from

>>1491243
This is excellent. The way you mimicked lined paper to give the piece a more 'grungy schoolkid' look is just superb. Is this oils or acrylics? colored pencils?

ttt

Straight lines.
Everyday until someone will teach me how to draw real straight lines.

>>1493187
You need to be straight to draw straight lines.

>>1493244
By contrast only the gays can truly master those thick, throbbing, flowing, hard lines that everyone secretly wants up their butt.

also bump

faces from life. getting over the temptation to to look away when they make eye contact with me. i just looked them right in the eye and said "sup". none seemed to care even when they new i was drawing them.

construction is shit.

>>1494329
Try not to draw anymore niggers. They might think of you as a police profiler.

>>1494330
>so edgy

>>1494329
I'm not going to even sugar coat it. A lot of the lines seem like BS to me and don't seem to do anything with positioning/proportion of the picture.

>>1494374
no need to, man.
but can you elaborate what you mean by shit, what about them isn't working?

>>1494399
He means they're random lines where you hesitated. They don't seem to be construction lines, they are just lines that distract and take away from the forms