/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Value study. Something weird is happening in the chest are, but i can't seem to notice the reason. Maybe not enough details in that particular area?

>>1435340
Wrong shape, everything is wrong

>>1435340
Stop worrying about details. I'd recommend trying again but this time just focus on getting the form right and then just block in your values, details come last.

>>1435340

You're not pushing values enough either, those shorts look almost pure black.

adjusted the comp a bit, but i think im moving on to something new now :)

How did I fuck up so badly on this? Is it the colors that is the worst? If it's the colors, how do I improve on that?

>>1435384
i think it's the random olors without any real depth. I have no idea what that is, all i know is it ha s an orange,.
Is it an old napkin?
a dirty wrapper?
you need more shading.

>>1435397
So more colors is what I need?

>>1435440
Not that anon but I think he meant more values.

dont know what to do for background

>>1435442
You already posted this turd

>>1435453
yeah but we're allowed to post it again in new threads

>>1435442
haha, this one made me laugh!

>>1435449
What you've got is fine. Not everything needs to be sharply rendered, you know. Just focus on the faces if those are your focal point.

I'm quite new to perspective, How am I doing?
And any tips for drawing windows? Like obviously I'm not expecting to be this good, but is this just pictures of buildings and then painted over? Cos the windows are crazy good http://www.deviantart.com/art/Dontnod-Adrift-conceptart-08-253683803

>>1435449
Try something like a 50s funfair, that's what I thought it was until you made me look at it.

>>1435384
everything is bad. just stick to value paintings and work on rendering, because now it look like a random collection of coloured blobs without any resemblance of a shape or form.

>>1435442
Nigga, that shit is flat as fuck.

You need to work on your fundamental, bro.

almost done with this piece

the face, gun, and colors are nice. Would work on improving the hair a bit.

>>1435498
>>1435505
Stop samefagging!

>>1435510
>A compliment on /ic/?
>MUST BE SAMEFAG

>>1435468
That artist doesnt hand paint every single inch of the painting. A lot are just textures/photos/3d etc. When you get really comfortable with digital tools and visualising you can do the same.

For this piece i think try to improve your lines, they will hurt you when try to detail later. Use thinner precise lines

Crit pwease

>>1435505
thanks, yea I should have fixed it

>>1435515
the face is the best. However the perspective of the horns is waaaaaaay off. draw a straight line through his head and see. Also if he is in flight, then you need to redo the tail and wings because they aren't telling us "flight" the human needs gesture. the body/ribs/spine all looks like lumpy guesswork.

Keeping it loose and going for textured feel

>>1435515

i remember a similar painting someone was working on, was it you? why do you keep drawing agnaktor?

>>1435512
dude there is seriously nothing good about this painting. either samefag or just really dumb anons, don't know which i'd prefer.

>>1435498
just look at that face, it's hideously misshapen and lacks any semblance of style or beauty. the rendering is patchy only serves to show a lack of understanding when it comes to painting materials, the background is awful and has that useless texture brush thrown everywhere. and that fucking signature. just wow.

>>1435536
Contain your autism, please.

You are upsetting the children.

>>1435536
not samefagging, but ok dude just calm the fuck down holy shit

>>1435536
Jimmies rustled because the "inferior" artist got one compliment while /ic/ tore you a new one?

>>1435513
Thanks for that input anon, I'll go over it again with a thinner brush, I have been using an oval brush as during my lurking here I seen that many people preferred to use this but it obviously doesn't go for everything.

How is the perspective however does it work? I've always had a problem with it. So recently I've been reading a lot of tutorials and stuff on it

>>1435468
did you watch any tutorials on how to paint in perspective? because your picture doesn't seem to follow any rules of perspective.

>>1435557
I did yeah.. I watched some youtube tutorials on it, read some devart stuff, looks at online sources and managed to get a hand out from a friend who done art in high school. =/ You couldn't possibly put a quick red line over it anon? I just don't seem to be able to get it if that's the case.

>>1435468
>I'm quite new to perspective, How am I doing?
Read 'Perspective Made Easy'. Shouldn't take longer than an afternoon.

want to build a huge city, but I have to start small.

and work on value painting.

>>1435565
ok getting it right now, thank you.

>>1435573
Probably what I should be doing 1st....

>>1435579
You need to work on your line and form before you touch value, anon.

>>1435582
oh what I meant was draw small buildings untill I know perspective better then move onto the big city I'm attempting to draw.

>>1435533
I think this is the first dragon ive posted here, and i've never seen agnaktor but crap, the nose fins look really similar haha.

>>1435526
Thanks! the face was super fun. okay fixed some stuff up, and the dragon is crawling across a hilltop. the character on top has lanky monkey arms as well.. THANKS Y'ALL

>>1435614
>Y'ALL
Is.. Is this another southerner?

>>1435624
darn tootin'

>>1435627
Hey, that's what my donkey would look like if he were made out of pure nightmare fuel.

>>1435528
not bad, but it still could use some sharper lines here and there and some darker values.

>>1435498
her mouth looks weird.

>>1435528
>textured feel
>painting smooth marble

I like it, but I don't understand why you would want texture..

>>1435633
her everything looks weird

>>1435498
anyone noticed the sig?

Why do people sign these half assed attempts?

>>1435381
Nice, I like! The composition is a bit narrow, tho... I really feel it needs some more air, perhaps more sky...

>>1435468
You're doing it wrong! Get that read up on how to construct 2-point perspective, it's easily available!

>>1435449
Nice color scheme! And i agree with the other anon, something like a "vintage" fun-fair would definitively fit!

>>1435647
Hah!

>>1435676
okay, that wasn't a very informative response from me... but yeah, you have a reference, so use it! Flip/mirror your image and the ref as you're working, it's the best way to see what needs corrections!

>>1435647
I obviously wasn't trying to copy it exactly

>>1435680
>>1435689
I was trying to make the face slightly more realistic, even if it looks shittier

>>1435645
Because. I can render with a smooth round brush in photoshop just fine, but I wanted to use more texture brushes to get a feel for them.

Simple experimentation, really.

>>1435714
Bloodsports?

>>1435716
Yup, I way to late, but I'm gonna finish it for my portfolio.

>>1435691
i fucked up aswell but just try using a reference that is not stylized.

>>1435340
its not too bad. put a darker range to your tones where the shadows are concentrated. the light is hitting only his back, put some down the legs/pants and arm. also like other people are saying don't get to involved in the details, that comes later.

>>1435734
Yes I should have done that thanks

Got bored so I did an oil painting of one of Leonardo's sketches on a small piece of plywood.

>>1435498
Re-l looks like Choji somehow.

>>1435381
This is an interesting painting, keep working on it! Love the brushwork and the clouds, some nice bold stuff--I'm assuming you watched Shaddy's tutorial and are applying some of his thoughts on clarity and brushwork?

Anyways, you can take this further, just keep things a bit more consistent, get some reference, and push certain aspects, simplify areas like the shadows, get more colour variation etc. I did a little paintover and took some notes for you/found a bit of ref hopefully this helps!

>>1435714
What's the intended appeal?

Painted this some time ago, looking to touch it up again so I can add it to my portfolio. Suggestions on what to fix?

>>1435844
The anatomy

>>1435847
Specify

>>1435331
I have so e of nut it's not very good

>>1435850
*some oc

>>1435848
specifying one thing would give the impression that other things are correct, which is not the case.

>>1435858
So everything in the painting is wrong?

>>1435850
Any critique? I know it is armature but I need advice on how to gill in smaller detailed like inside the treads.

>>1435865

I'm no expert, but guaranteed, /ic/ will tell you your lines are bad and you should feel bad. You need to work on perspective mate, but as far as getting more detail into a drawing? Either get a finer tipped pencil by sharpening it with a razor, a fine tipped pen, OR get the biggest paper you can and start drawing as big as you want. Detail is much easier to play with when your canvas/pad is 6 feet tall.

>>1435865
*fill in

>>1435868
>get the biggest paper you can and start drawing as big as you want.
This. This is what I did and it's great.
18"x24" pad of paper, plus an easel or clipboard to hold it up and you're set.

>>1435868
Il get a finer harder pencil. I don't think my art is worthy of a canvas yet.

>>1435871
Il consider this I love sketching. One of my only joys in life. I try to improve.

>>1435868

>>1435875
For sketching, like gesture work, where you're going to use up a lot of paper, get newsprint. For practice, go with a thickness you like as long as it's not like.. bristol board thickness. That tends to be problematic.

If you're working with pencils and getting a big pad, I'd recommend getting one of those graphite sticks. It's like a big pencil the size of a piece of chalk, very handy for laying down large areas with the side of the pencil end or the whole thing if you need to.
You'll need a white mars eraser if you don't have one. And probably a clicky eraser for detail work later on.

>>1435879
Il show you what I have.

>>1435877
Aware of disproportionate body.

>>1435881
You're fine, man. Just letting you know about some options you have.

>>1435861
not where anatomy is concerned

>>1435886
Well what should I fix?

>>1435885
As you can see the paints aren't even open. Too nervous to fail. I want to stick with what I know. However I have used the pastels.

>>1435888
Try this approach with your pastels next time.

>>1435890
Alright I just kind of experimented with them. I used the same techniques I use with pencil to make the hair. They are kind of fun and I would like to learn how to better use them.

>>1435893
They are very fun.
For hair, look up the ribbon method. It's going to be a post by james gurney. You'd do that before laying down your top layer of detail.

>>1435890
Is it weird that I find the 2nd and 3rd stages more aesthetically pleasing than the finished ones?

>>1435906
Thanks. Sometimes I forget how some boards are actualy helpful.

>>1435910

based this on some tattoo skulls I saw

how do I draw like in the OP picture, I like that syle.

>>1435959
It's pretty much just what linework looks like when you've got a good grasp on forms and observational drawing.
One tip I can give you is to use a grey/midtone canvas when you're working so that you only have to lay in highlights and shadows here and there. It'll help.
So, brush up on your fundamentals and keep the pic in the OP and study it if you want. If you can't draw people as they look for real, you'll want to do some exercises from Betty Edward's book. Ignore the psychobabble.

Though I really think you should aim higher than that, it's not a bad place to set your first goal.

>>1435449
no !!!!!!! why no one blame this animu shit!!
This is animu shit!!!

>>1435986
Because /ic/ doesn't really hate animu, or any style for that matter, newfag.

It's not the style's fault. If anything it is a lack of fundamentals.

>>1435803
this type of stuff is why i still visit /ic/

>>1435803
whoever you are, you're amazing

>>1435959
you learn how to draw

>>1436093
That was basically what other anon said, yeah.

>>1435965
Where would I learn to further improve drawing nonhuman things such as the above sketches.

cant sleep cant stop sketchin

>>1435772
umm.. lol?

>>1435647
damn

>>1435887
not that anon but her mouth's placement is way off, so you should work on your proportions

http://www.pixiv.net/info.php?id=1597

cant be that hard right?

I actually drew this a while ago, but I think it's good, so I need /ic/ to tell me it's not.

>>1436511
Sorry about the sideways.

>>1436512
>lined paper
stop right there.

I'd say work on proportions. but thats just me.

>>1436514
Yeah, all I had was a notebook at the time.


Sorry.

>>1436514
What's the problem with lined paper?

>>1436663
Lined paper is like drawing lots of random lines through your work at the end and it also helps to loose details or efforts put in to make it look better.

If your screen had loads of lines and shit through it you wouldn't use it to watch a film would you, same with art don't use inferior paper that will deteriorate the quality of the drawing.

Sigh. I know this is terrible, but I can't figure out why. I feel like I just get more confused as I look further into anatomy.

>>1436751
The limbs are pretty fucked up.

His calf is thicker than his whole upper leg.

>>1436751

> I feel like I just get more confused as I look further into anatomy.

You're doing something wrong then. Study more villpu.

>>1436751
The legs aren't realistic but look realy cool.

>>1435853
Fixed this up a bit.

not sure if something might be off.Still would like to get /ic/ critique on it before I move on with it...

>>1436722
Shit, never looked at it that way. Thanks, mang

>>1436784
She looks great. Where is this set?

>>1436763
>>1436760

Fuck, thanks. Looks like I have some leg studying to do.

>>1436794

I was wanting to do a sort of a wasteland thing so it's a desert type of environment.Maybe something like in Borderlands.

>>1436797
Not just leg, you need to study Al anatomy, most of it is fucked

Those feet are fucking huge, wtf are those lines beside his belt button? Nipples are in the wrong position, and there's more but I'm on my phone so I cba

>>1436814
All*

>>1436814
He was going for dat Adonis Belt, it's in the wrong place though.

This is my first stab at digital painting ever and I just don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I used a reference a little bit but kinda went my own way:
http://topwalls.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mountains-view-landscape-.jpg

>>1436814

Will do. Just curious, I found this random guy on youtube. Does anyone know if the information he gives out is correct? I'm more of a "learn by watching" kinda guy and I'm liking his way of explaining things, I just want to make sure he's not teaching the wrong information before I delve into it more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwfKKm1_9HY

>>1436807
I like it seems great continue on. Sorry for lack of useful crit

>>1436876
absolutely awful

vilppu is the best but if you find him too boring you can go for michael hampton.
both have torrents out there, look for hampton's analytical figure drawing course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4353W2Xqm0

>>1436876

Jazza is fine. /ic/ isn't going to like him though because he's not bridgeman or villpu.

>>1436751
Fuck the morons saying vilppu.
You have a fundamental flaw, you do not undertantd 3d space and your lines are shit, to put it bluntly.

You need to improve your lines, asap, and you need to practice drawing some geometrical shapes.
This will help you a lot, you'll have a better grasp at constructing complex shapes out of smaller, simpler ones and your lines won't look all chicken scratched.


You are falling into a very insidious trap, you seem to be overendering and adding unnecesary detail to compensate for your lack of fundamental undertanding, don't get carries away, take a few steps back and practice until your lines improve and you can draw simple shape in any angles.


Perspective also helps a lot, since the human figures makes heavy use of foreshortening, so yeah, geometrical shapes, line quality and perspective, get on it.

>>1436876
>>1436901
Oh, and no, fuck no, that guy is not fine.

The whole point of learning REALISM is to eventually be able to subtract from it and be capable of drawing anything in any style.

Learning FROM a style is bad, very bad.

>>1435331
Drew this just now critique?

>>1436876
http://www.youtube.com/user/moatddtutorials/videos
Watch this guys videos and work the exercises for a while. It really helped me out. Your drawings should use basic forms as a foundation. Build more complex forms on top of the simple forms.

>>1435449
I really like this.

Do you have any more samples you could show?

>>1436911

Awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for. I was in a car accident a few years back and ended up having some minor brain damage that never recovered, unfortunately my hands are a bit shaky as a result. My lines are absolutely atrocious, but once I get to a point where I'm okay with them I'll just go over them in illustrator or with the pen tool, something a bit more safe.

I just drew this, starting with an egg shape on top of a circle and went from there, trying to start with nothing but basic shapes.

I was more focused on the chest than anything else, tried to take into account some stuff some of you said earlier. Are the nipples at least in the correct place now? Did I make any improvement, as small as it may be?

I'll definitely look into Villpu as well.

>>1436933
Cool, I'll look into him.

>>1436928

>>1436751

This is my first redline and it pretty late, so I'm sorry if I'm not all too great at explaining. Also take all of this with a grain of salt, as I'm still studying myself.


First thing I saw was that your ribcage looks strange, it looks as if it's completely vertical. The ribcage tilts back at about a 110-20 degree angle to make room for organs and to help absorb shock. The pose he's in might have him tilt back even further. This makes the ribs appear shorter because of foreshortening. Also, as the ribs tilt back/the eye level lowers the collar bones cover the neck because of perspective (at least in this pose). There are muscles that lay over the ribs and hips as well(obliques), drawing them helps add a feeling a depth with the lats behind them. You would also see the underside of the pectorals because of the eye level and how his arm is posed. The elbows of the arms should end with the lowest point of the ribcage and the hands/fingertips should reach down to just under half the length of the femur. The femur should be about the length of the ribcage and the shin should be slightly longer than that. Your thighs are far too short and small in comparison to your calf muscles as well, that's something to watch in the future. You also need to establish focal points and your eye level, it can help with keeping proportions correct and having a proper field of depth/foreshortening (like his arm for example. It would become shorter as it alines with the eye because less of it is visible).

>>1437014
Very helpfull

I want to get into digital drawing, but I feel like there are always technical issues which keep me from achieving something.
Like settings in photoshop/tablet driver.
Are there any tutorials how to configure my setup to get started?

>>1436876
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwfKKm1_9HY
Did that nigger invent an imaginary back "muscle group" there? Did that actually happen?!

>>1437074
Haha, in the video he even said that if someone watching knows any actual anatomy, remember he is showing the simple approach...he has to say that cause it's a bit fucked up.

The guy has very little understanding of the muscles, nothing more than a very superficial knowledge. Those "wing shapes" are a strange combination of the entire scapular areas and the trapezius (although not all of the trapezius). Hogarth shows it similar but more accurately (which says something about the quality of this guy if Hogarth is accurate lol). And the latissimus dorsi are COMPLETELY misplaced. I didn't watch the whole video, just skipped around a bit, but the understanding of the things seemed off too like the pecs, no thought of insertions.

Whoever want to learn anatomy is best to steer clear of this guy in my opinion.

>>1435340
-The muscles need to be conveyed with more prominence, large torso and thighs make him look porky. :O)
-Left forearm is too thin, and his thighs need more detail to show his muscles off and not look fat.
-His shorts were meant to be baggy, not skin tight, so make his torso 'slightly' thinner and have the shorts perceptively curve around his hips
-That ear neeeeeeeeeeeeeeds some tender love and care.

Last but not least, don't make an attempt to match things piece for piece, but do always make sure to keep everything in proportion and the way it should be.

>>1436895

I was doing this one just now on a note pad after dinner. How do I make it more realistic? I know its crappy but I just had a sudden impulse to draw her and didn't have the tools on hand.

seriously guys, how do I back ground. i knwo my anatomy sucks and i ussually try to fix it but this for the first picture I've drawn since my pen sensitivity has been working so i was kind of "oh my god i just want to colour it" mode.

>>1437166
>how do I back ground
By practicing composition and perspective, and then applying it. You should really plan the background out along with the figures.

Do stuff from pic related. That's from ctrlpaint's library.

Still life WIP - Tear me a new one

>>1437187
Stop using soft brushes. Watch this:
http://ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-technique-blending

How to improve this?

>>1437190
>stop using soft brushes
Actually, they need to learn to use hard brushes along with soft brushes.

>>1437193
http://www.posemaniacs.com/category/gender/female

find the pose she is supposed to be in and fix your anatomy

please just help.

>>1437196
Something is off. Make it a bit wider.

>>1437196
Definitely needs to be wider.

>>1437194
>>1437190

Thanks guys, I knew something was holding me back a bit here.

>>1437198
>>1437199
this much wider?

>>1437201
Please learn to take advice with a pinch of salt..

>>1437202
damn i knew it. my thought process was
>i am tierd lets get other people to help
>wider
>they probably know best.

>>1437196
>>1437166
Also which of these do people find more appealing, the cat guy took me for ever (a good few hours) and i have been drawing this style for a long time, the upwards positioned face took me about 30 minutes, probably a bit less.

>>1437206
they are both equally unappealing.

thoughts and maybesome advice on how to cast shadows on round surfaces?

>>1437210
reasons why and such as well as advice would be nice.
i'm going to sleep now so when i don't respond it's not because i'm offened by critiques, please tell me what i am doing wrong.

>>1437211
Nice cubism.

>>1437237
Was that a lame pun or do you not know what cubism is?

This is supposed to be mirror, kind of

when will i be ready to graduate sketch phase so i could go to the next step?

>>1437336
Why is the person on the left behind the person on the right?

You're making strange tangents. Left person needs to over lap right person, and should be more to the right. Just a bit. Also more perspective on that court.

25-30 min thing

I have no idea what i'm doing. Maybe i should try something more simple

45 min sketch, might bring it to a finish

>>1437379
What are you trying to show with this?

>>1437382
my current drawing and my thoughts. It's the draw thread maybe someone helps me.

>>1437193
By not sucking

>>1437344
person on the left is not behind, it's just that lines overlap after i moved him closer and i didn't want to erase overlapping lines just to show the figures i drew.
anyway, it's a dumb design at its core, because you don't jump on people in a basketball game. i think my biggest problem is coming up with ideas. i want to draw dynamic figures in perspective, but i can't settle down on one thing (should i make a drawing about people playing basketball or them fighting ninja style?).why does every idea seem so cliche? i lose interest so quickly. i could probably finish that thing if i collected references and just spend more time on it, but there is no interest. what the hell, i'm going to try erotic poses next time.
sorry for rant.

>>1435550
you have to draw not paint the lines so why don't you try using the line tool instead. If you want to paint the lines then you should erase the excess "wrong" marks. If you have trouble with drawing digitally just get some pencil and paper and practice there.
I am not very good at perspective but from what I see is that they follow random vanishing points
What I think helped me a bit was that I made a simple grid floor and tried to fit objects on that in perspective. First one point then two etc. Then i looked at pics and tried to visualize the grids there. Start simpler it will help you learn faster.

>>1435672
>>1435467
>>1435469

Thanks. It was a vintage fair thing but I sort of doodled it without thinking about placing them in 3d and now I think I'm stuck

>>1436979
thanks but I only tried this style just now heh. I was trying out uguu's rakebrushes https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6s81uthsurx9wy/rakeset.abr

Study of a cicada exoskeleton my friend found for me.
No picture, trying to work as much from the real thing as possible.

>>1437382
mhm, thats what i get for not figuring out the pose properly before I start getting down to painting - it ended up looking bad

Feels good painting from my imagination, I get to see where I fuck up - looks like I'll be studying legs soon

any input would be appreciated

This is actually my first digital drawing.

I really don't know what I'm doing I just messed around with tools. I'm afraid to venture into color.

>>1437485
these are a bitch to draw, kudos for even trying

>>1436928
This is amazing

15 minutes in. I just can't deal with this anymore. I need to study again I suppose.

First time here, sorry about lined paper, but I only draw while at school.

>>1437522
Shit, I made it sideways :/ Sorry 'bout that!

I'll use this post to show another drawing.

>>1437525
You draw this at school.
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>1437522
If you only draw while at school the just fuck off, what are you doing here? We don't give a shit about your shitty doodles you do during class

>>1437526
Different guy but here's something I did during school like 2 years ago lol

>>1437527
damn dude maybe anon's got an abusive father who doesn't like it when he or she draws at home

just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you have to be a total asshole. if you don't like something, ignore it.

>>1437527
Dear lord, the fuck is up with the aggressive attitude? I want to get into drawing more, I think it's really fun. I'm getting a lot of free time lately and I was wondering about what I should work on.

>>1437489
Try to tone down your use of texture brushes. Using such noisy textures everywhere in the foreground, the figure and background makes the image very hard on the eye. Varying edges and textures is key to making figures pop out from the background.

You have a nice palette of realistic colors going on, but you seem to confuse the temperature of the shadows here and there. When a shadow plane faces the ground, or is very close to the ground, like those rocks in the foreground, they catch reflected light from the ground, not the sky. Reflected blue skylight would only really be in the shadow planes that face upwards, nowhere else.

>>1437538

The original version looks better broski.

>>1437533

fuck off.

>>1437538
there is yet to be a day when I see a paintover that is better than the original on /ic/

>>1437553
God, you must suck at art.

>>1437568

>mfw you just mad that someone didn't like your shit version

every single drawing itt fucking sucks. What happened to all the good artists of /ic/?

Jesus. throw your tablets/art supplies away. You all fucking suck. No. seriously. you do.

>>1437538
>>1437553
>>1437568
wow, no. i agree the first does look better. the pic is simplistic enough that there's not much going on there, so anything you can get from it is a plus. the second just ironed out part of what made it an interesting browse: the energy & vitality in the strokes. the original's harshness also worked to set a mood that fits perfectly with the subject. the second looks like just what it is: someone trying to copy an existing work they see, but unable to recreate the feeling behind each stroke because they're approaching it technically. left: alive right: flat, not as interesting

>>1437577
Read the board's name.
It doesn't say "amazing drawings, excellent artists", it says artwork and critique.
We are all here to learn or to give critique.

>>1437588
No one that posted in this particular thread could ever learn anything. They have 0 skill and will never be good. Ever.

To all of you that posted "art". Stop it. Give up and find another hobby. This isn't your thing.

>>1437577
lol
someone is upset

>>1437575
>>1437581
Not that guy but using textured brushes should be an afterthought, not part of the main rendering process.
How will he render the detail when his whole composition is saturated with textures that make no sense?
>>1437592
Skill is worth jack, son.

The problem with most people itt is that they're not dilligent enough to practice every day to get good, nor do they invest enough time in one piece to actually apply what they know.

Then again, pointing out bad habits won't correct them, it's up to them.


Yeah, sure you can spit all the stupid shit about "harshness, feels, blah blah" but the drawing is technically and compositionally flawed. Not to mention some of the shadows don't make any sense and it doesn't lead your eye anywhere

>>1437596
>Yeah, sure you can spit all the stupid shit about "harshness, feels, blah blah" but the drawing is technically and compositionally flawed. Not to mention some of the shadows don't make any sense and it doesn't lead your eye anywhere


Cocks, this was meant to be in the upper part of my post.

my series im working on

>>1437609
Interesting, what's the subject?
>>1437611
Too many soft edges, no hard edges at all.
I'd recommend you watch ctrl+paint to learn the basics of digital painting, fundamental skills still required.

>>1437382
I like this one the best bro
other one was to over worked

nice shit though love the texutre and shit.

you can draw from imagineation but doent mean you cant pose yourself or find photos of that shit and use reference to get an idea of what your trying to draw

>>1437621
hand painted bro. well pen and marker. brought into photoshop to work it.

its just halftoned (so i can make it huge and the effect of it adds to the "grit")

Its portaits of twin peaks characters. although I am not finished nor is this a final but an experimentation. to see how i end up wanting to illustrate all the shit on him.

thanks for the tips though ill look into it.

>>1437621
fuck your comments was at the other one haha my bad. thanks this is the image i was looking at for leland palmer

>failing with a pencil

>>1437526
Thinking the same thing

>>1437638

>>1437641
>last

>>1435331
Any advice for this? Did this on my comp.

lol. gesture drawing
http://sketchtoy.com/31310755
pic related

any obvious errors that my inexperienced eye cannot spot before I move on?

>>1437657
Artificial objects should not have organic lines, try using a ruler or improving your line quality.

Study how cloth and fabric works, the way it folds in your drawing makes no sense and it looks flat, yes, even cloth has weight to it.

The pose is telling me he's ready for something but his face is very inexpressive.

And it looks line you just drew the tubes and cylindrical objects without previous construction.

>>1437657
Oh, and it seems like you tried to hide anatomical detail by making the pants and shirt very baggy, don't do that, try to get out of your comfort zone and if you deem yourself lacking study more.

>>1437670
>>1437672
so
>linework
>construction
>anatomy
thanks, I'll check the sticky for books and get studying

>>1437538
Your paintover just made his original look blurry.
>Good job

Just made this in the last 45 mins. I haven't worked with my tablet for months but the art in this thread inspired me! Watched Oblivion a week ago and loved it so I did this value study. Negative painting.

>>1437688

wow thats shit learn some villpu

Geez now I remember why I abandoned this board for months. The number of spastic screeching retards in here is reaching critical mass.

Just some figure drawing practice. I'd like to start working on a comic book soon, and I really think that the practice it provides will help out a ton.

I'm aware of the severely fucked-up feet, I just haven't pulled out my tablet to fix it yet.

>>1437688
you need to block in your forms properly. Go check out videos on ctrlpaint that deal with form and basic rendering. Also use a bigger brush.

>>1437538
this is lifechanging advice

>>1435908
nop

>>1436980

This guy again. Decided to do a 30 minute study tonight to break up the monotony of pixelovely. I see right of the bat the right arm is horrendous and the left shoulder is slouching a bit, but I don't know - it's improvement I guess.

>>1437734
dat my sassy girl

>>1437734

Chin is a bit masculine mate.

>>1437734
you are detailing too soon. Pretend you are sculpting her with paint. Go vague main shape then refine, this way you will have to redo less work and will make less mistakes,I get the impression that you are looking at parts of the ref but not it as a whole (see the hip in relation to torso for example).

Colors are ok but your brush strokes look kinda dirty. You can try sketching out the pose till you are roughly sure of it then painting over it because adjusting as you are painting will take way more effort you will bre reluctant to do redo parts that are wrong (at least that's what I do)

WIP for digital painting class. Pretty happy with how it’s coming along.

>>1437767
Wow I love it

>>1437808
Thank you very much. I'll post some more updates as time goes on.

>>1437767
Clouds need work. They're too opaque and the same shape and such.
Values needs quite a bit of work .Specifically the amount of blacks you have in the mid and background Make a new layer, use low opacity soft brush and push all that stuff back into space.

>>1437688
also use color. there is literally no white in that photo

>>1437688
simplify and block in what you see not from your head. If you break it apart into abstract shapes you can use it to check how accurately you've interpreted the source.

anything weird?

>>1436784
I feel like the lower torso doesn't scale properly with the upper at that camera angle.

>>1437205

Yeah, the problem is you are not constructing the head properly in 3D space.

While the image itself is too wide, the cranium also needs to be thinner and should be just thinner than the cheeks (where the jaw ends). Also the jaw is curving in a very natural way giving it a block chin thing.

Really my only advice would be to just read some loomis (Yes reading educational books isn't exactly exciting, but it's actually not as daunting as you might think) to get a good grasp on the basic form of a head and how to build it at any angle.

>>1437531

I lol'ed.

>>1437557

I see it all the time. Granted this is not one of those times, but /ic/ sometimes knows how to do a good paint over.

>>1437734
You look like you're trying, but you're not really seeing the shapes or the relations to the limbs to one another. Her spine is disjointed and her hips very off.

To me, it seems like you've just jumped in without really laying any foundation down. Get her ribcage, and the spine in the right place and everything should sort of build from that.

>>1437538

I like the paintover.
I can't really see how /ic/ prefers the original, it's noisy, doesn't describe forms very well and there's no contrasts in the edges. When all the edges are as hard as in the original it tends to look weird.

Remember that textures rearly occurs in shadows, as we see tons of in the original. Wher's the paintover kept the textured areas besides the core shadows and in the light. Which goves a much more realistic and more pleasurable view. At leas I think so.

I'm pretty sure the paintover artist was just trying to get the point across instead of spending countless hours actuyally rendering it into a finished piece.

Some practice after watching the "Practical Light and Color" Gnomon workshop.

WIP, I'm kind of stuck on the clouds.

I'll probably have to give up and use a reference.

>>1437698
her face is kinda big. eyes should be at around midpoint and she has puffy hair on top of that.

>>1437592
ok, I'll stop because some mad faggot on /ic/ told me too ;(

Did this today, i don't really like my shading

>>1437994
You're kind of stuck on everything

>>1437734
Legs are fucked up too

>>1435442
Looked promising in the thumbnail... :/

>>1435469
>19th century clothes
>'50s FUNFAIR LOLOL

wat?

>>1435844
A suggestion? Don't add it to your portfolio.

The facial anatomy is FUBAR. Eyes too high, philtrum too long, chin too small and flat. Were you using reference?

>>1437999
nah, I can finish the rest relatively easily, just want to figure out the clouds first.

>>1435850
Nice concept. Use a ruler for straight lines, box-out your forms first so the angles are correct (like the circular ends of gun barrels), and use real-world reference for details like the treads.

Also, neaten up your linework, use a sharper pencil, or consider sketching it out first then going over with a fineliner or other ink pen.

>>1435877
I have literally no idea what is meant to be happening in this picture.

>>1437538
thank you for doing this it's really helpfull! Not making everything uniform is a weakness of mine - just seeing the piece with actual edge variation makes me glad

and the thing with bounced light is something I forgot! Painting from imagination is tricky like that

>>1437961
Yeah I need to stop texturing the shadows, it's often more appealing with just showing texture in the light but I keep forgetting this. People pointing it out to me help me a lot

I'll try and sketch it somewhat differently now that I've collected refference, it should look better - thanks for the input you guys

>>1437187
Man up and grow a pear.

Seriously though, the shading is off. The two pears look like they're melded together - you need to show clearly which is in front/behind or give a feeling of space between them.

>>1438004
Yeah, I was using a reference

>>1437206
I find the furry shit less appealing. That stuff is an artistic cul-de-sac as it excuses incorrect anatomy and ropey form.

>>1437346
Happy little clouds.

>>1437734
A couple of skewed/misshapen areas there buddy.

>>1437883
Not sure about the nose size/angle.

Pretty sexy though.

>>1437998
>i don't really like my shading

That's because it's not very good. Keep practising. Well done for not outlining too much and for trying to suggest boundaries with value, but the values are very mismatched and inconsistent - I doubt the teeth were really darker than the inside of the orbits, for example.

>>1436860
castle looks like a penis.also no depth.

>>1438014
Post reference so we can see the difference and give more specific crit.

>>1438030
Here ya go

>>1438034
Oh yikes. That's not a very "friendly" subject, even if you draw her fairly accurately it'd still look "off". You might want to get a more conventional-looking reference for portfolio work.

Anyway, you've really compacted her jaw/chin, and lost quite a lot of the nice juicy contours of her lips. You've raised her nose, stretched the philtrum and flattened her head. You also changed the profile of her cheek, turning her from "quirky" to "haggard, witch-like".

It's not the worst effort in the world but you need to sketch out the proportions more faithfully first, especially if the subject has unconventional proportions anyway.

>>1438051
Yeah, i guess i didn't refer to the picture as much as i should have. Thanks for the crit!

are the colours okay?

>>1438059
How about faget

>>1438059
Colors look ok to me but why doesn't this part inside follow the perspective lines?

>>1437883
Face is way too large for the head. The effect looks like what happens when you reference a photo where the camera was too close to the face and the incorrect focal length. The eyes are too high, the mouth too low, and the nose too long. The nose is also pointing in a different direction compared to the rest of the skull.

It's easier to draw if you use a more meticulous construction. Decide on the horizon, and how far away the viewer is from the girl. Using that you can draw the box containing the head, and from that you can draw all the features to the right size and orientation.

>>1437883
>>1438084
I wanted to practice paintover so I tried addressing some of your construction problems.

You guys think it needs to be pushed more?

>>1438093
I did want to say otherwise I do like the headdress design.

>>1437532
"if you don't like something, ignore it."
This board is called "artwork/critique", asshole

>>1436751
hi, i'm by no means an expert or even good at anatomy but i tried out a redline for you just to point out some things i noticed immediately :) my biggest piece of advice for you is that you really need to study your anatomy much more closely because it appears you don't know the major muscle groups and are rather just putting the overall shape of the body down on the page. right now it looks like you draw the outline first and then slap something that looks like muscle contours down on top of it. that's not how it works. the muscles make the silhouette, not the other way around. good job stretching out the lats on the right side, but make sure when you stretch one side of the body that the opposing side of the body contracts to account for that stretching.

>>1438104
also anyone please feel free to redline my redline because i'm still trying to learn

>>1438098
It's not called assholes/cynics either

>>1438104
>shoulders and hips always oppose

This is a dangerous rule to try to make, the contrapposto is all about balance yes but it's not a mechanical law by any means. The hips could remain neutral while one side of the shoulder is raised. both hips and shoulder could be raised to one side depending on the pose as well and how the weight is distributed.

>>1437336
>graduate
>phase
>next step
kids, this is what /ic/ teaches you.
good job /ic/, good job.

>>1438093
It's a little better in some respects, but a few new problems arose. The far eye is now too close to the nose, and there are some planar and lighting inconsistencies when you look at the contour of the face and the values used respectively. The eyesocket/cheekbone contour doesn't fully match the orientation of the face. The chin is too long and the mouth a bit too low.

Problems like this typically occur when a construction problem is addressed while trying to salvage as much of the original as possible. Elements like the headdress could probably be salvaged down the line, but the skull and individual features of the face need to be redrawn from scratch with the eye level and distance to girl in mind.

>>1438098
>If you only draw while at school the just fuck off, what are you doing here? We don't give a shit about your shitty doodles you do during class
yes this is such a valid and helpful critique.
facepalm at someone who cares.

>>1435877
>>1435850
>>1435853

Perspective drawing nigger, start learning that shit right this second

Also learn how the shapes of the mech interact in 3D space, everything looks very flat. Think of it as an actual object you could pick up and rotate at any angle. Practice practice practice until your fingers fall right off

Then practice some more

>>>/conceptart/

>>1435536
This is not how you critique stuff, people.

>>1435803
Thanks a lot man! makes me want to refine it more :D ill get back to it when im done with other stuff, really solid info you gave me there :). and yeah i have been looking at shaddys stuff, trying to simplify my shapes to their essence, and generally trying to create beautiful shapes in my stuff hehe :D

The form and proportion is completely off.....
just a quick sketch for fun...........
next time , I should spend more time on the draft.....

>>1437998
no offense, but skull is too difficult for you , start with simple objects like a cup.
Think of the form and value before shading

>>1438155
who is that shady you're talking about?

>>1438178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NygkJEc3yu4

>>1438162
reminds me of slardar from dota 2

Drew this today. Don't know how to finish it... I'm just like this always... I do the lines, start coloring, start the background, then I'm stuck and don't know what to do next, or how.

>>1438213
Fuck, I wanted to post a smaller version, sorry.

Just doing a study of this lovely lady that has been going around /ic/ for a few weeks now.

How did I do? I'm pretty new to drawing 3/4 months-ish.

>>1438230
How long you've been drawing won't make them go any easier on you.
It's also apparent from your brushwork. Try ctrl+paint's blending exercises.

>>1438234
Yeah I'm aware of this fact, but it's so people can have a rough idea at what they're working with when giving tips and critique and such, I'm not expecting a red carpet and some lemonade or anything.

I have watched Ctrl paint videos. And I have done the blending tutorials, I'm just finding that a bit tougher to get used to than anatomy and such.

It's bloody ridiculous how difficult I'm finding, something that would seem so simple to do... Blend! I downloaded 'skin' brushes but I figured that it was cheating to do that. So I've been trying to figure it out using only one brush. Which one anon nicely posted to me on another thread I had a few days ago.

>>1438230
that lady seems to be poorly lit in the photo, but you should still go for some lighter values.

>>1438234
How are you meant to watch the ctrl-paint viedos?
I've been attempting to watch them from the site but every time I do I just get frustrated because he'll say what's happening in the next video, yet when i click onto the next video its got fuck all to do with what he said he would be talking about!!!

and when i went back to older ones one of the videos with a few parts went version 1, 1.5,2 etc even though I was going backwards which means I should have seen 2 first then 1,5 then 1 in the menu!

wtf?!

>>1437767
More progress.

>>1438262
Too much of everything. I'd like it more without that spiky ruin thing.

butts

Photo study

>>1438354
ref

How do I do western style eyes without the bear looking like it's going to murder someone? When the pupils are that small it always looks so weird.

>>1438422
Take from Smokey the Bear.

>>1437644
Finished it any criticism?

>>1438375
>>1438354
Looks great

>>1438449
I don't think you properly captured the essence of the dolphin...

>>1438354
very nice. have you tried putting something in the background? I think that pure white is too harsh.

>>1438262
A bit crowded. Would look better if surrounded by more like things that compliment it.

>>1438451
*tries to hold back tears*
Any advice on what to do for background?

>>1438479
>>1438456
Wrong comment

>>1435331
The neck is driving me nuts. Lately I seem to ruin a lot of drawings with the shadowing of the neck area and the part above your collar bone (it's too dark imo.) Does anyone have any hints on properly adding highlights and shadows to the neck if the head were in this position? I always seem to make it too dark.

>>1438449
Don't know if I reund it?

>>1438494
Forgot to include image

>>1438495
Keep practicing, I guess.
It's rendered, but it still looks flat because some values are in the wrong places and there's not enough contrast.

you should just improve your linework for the moment, then practice with b&w.

decided to go over an old doodle and refine it some.
from Dark-N-Edgy period
>inb4 dark-n-edgy

>>1438516
How very dark and edgy.
Some blood just came out of my ass because of your edginess.

>>1438482

well for once you're making the collar bone and the neck way too defined for a female.Or for a male for that matter.To apply lighting and shading properly you MUST look at refferences.I can't stress that enough.If you want to have adequate renderring you must study from real life.Look up some Vilppu and begin doing anatomy studies at the parts you seem to have issue with.On another note the eyes are too big for my taste so they can be toned down a notch too.The problem i see is that you've been watching what generic anime artists do and you just do a repeated shape on the neck below and it just flattens the face and it makes it look like a 2D surface alltogether.In short, less anime, more real life.

>>1438525
Thanks man will do!

trying to get better at painting

doin some work for a company

>>1438262
Little bit of color thrown in. Kinda muddy right now.

>>1438632
dont know... add more depth!
looking nice.

finally got time to work more on this sketch. thoughts?

first study of may

Having some trouble with the anatomy and perspective here. Started this as a base idea, so the whole thing will be redone from scratch anyway. I would really appreciate a redline.

>>1438670

...Oh, thanks.

>>1438509
Thanks I tried to create more contrast with this

>>1438674
Think I went to far with this

>>1438632
Not convinced by those light beams. If the sun was that close to the horizon wouldn't it be illuminating everything? I've only seen that spotlight-effect happen when the sun is higher in the sky.

>>1438625
The left and right hands are different sizes? Cute character concept though.

>>1438635
Since there's no way for you to change anything, is there even any point in us giving you crits on the WIP?

>>1438827
some advice... dont know. its just a sketch

>>1436998
>>1436928
how do you induce such beautiful jpeg compression.

>>1437201
>>1437201
Im not an expert on this "tilt", but from looking at it now, wider seems a little better, but now the neck is way too fat, especially for a girl who looks relatively thin, also, if look up and feel your neck you can feel it thin as it elongates. the shading of the neck should also contour more inwards the further down it gets. thin out that adams apple. adjust your ears, they look more tilted to suit a straight on look right now. Also raise the eye brows, and open those eyes more. try pulling the shading of the cheeks more towards the outside. as it is right now the cheeks look more like shaded abs. Thats all I can say for now.

>>1437533
People here can be real pretentious, but at the same time this board is more oriented towards the people who study body contouring, shading, line crispness. The people who sit down and work hard on art, and not the people who just doodle in class. If you want my opinion on how to get started, stop doodling, buy a tablet, and practice line drawing seriously.

>>1437596
Perfect post.

>>1438449
I though the first version fit the color more. More of a navy greyish, where as this has more light grey diminishing depth. It could go for a lot more blending, darker shade in areas like under the fin, and the fin on the other side. the eye could use some internal shading instead of simply adding those highlights. Those edges especially on the bottom are very jagged. Great attempt though.

>>1439275
Thank you I will work on it more.