/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6642363
Stupid fucking robots fucking suck making shit all sideways

>>6457560
> But, as a child, he would have received no education in art beyond a class per week (or every other week, alternating with music).
You realize that most famous artists were born rich and had private training in their childhood right? Like Van Gogh had a more comprehensive art education as a child than an average child today but that was because his upper middle class parents paid for it.
For everyone else there was no “art classes every other week in public school” because there often wasn’t even such a thing as a public school.
> He would not have had the possibility of joining a guild or workshop,
Millions of groups you can join today that aren’t pederastic sex cults. Also basically nobody back then got into a guild or workshop. Also you’re not Bernini. You’d have been rejected then just like you are now.
> and could not have devoted more than a few hours on weekends to drawing on lined notebook paper and cheap sketchbooks from birthday gifts,
Literally wot lol. Paper and medium have never been cheaper. People had to make their own paint and canvasses back then. Paper to doodle on was a luxury.
> because he needed to go to school and learn skills that will allow him to make money as an adult.
As opposed to being a child laborer hundreds of years ago lol.
> If he is lucky, the birthday gifts also include a book of art history, but for the most part, his visual diet consists of cartoons and photographs. Only a few of these images are even attempting to be “high art”.
This is such a “dipshit kid projecting his bullshit at a foreign society they know nothing about” take lol. Muh birthday gifts is not something the average kid ever concerned themselves with.

You probably would have died of diarrhea as a toddler in Bernini’s time tbphwyf

>>3769871
>Colors are washed out and ugly. Heavily desaturated like you incorporate too much white or black without thinking of alternative colors to get the desired results.
this guy gets it. this guy fucks.

Year 1 was misusing black paint, mixing it with skin tones and trying to water it down and use that to darken tones. Year 2 has been misusing white paint, gesso, retarder, matte gel, etc.
>Because of this, your paintings appear flat. Hair and clothes are flat as well.
yepyepyep
>Don't develope bad habits.
Oh I mean this whole meme is about developing a novel aesthetic by intentionally focusing on trying to learn how to do things "wrong" and make it work.
> I think you should familiarize yourself with your medium and best ways to mix colors.
yeah the theory is that you can do this by forcing yourself to learn the dumbest ways to mix colors. Learn about the mans by which certain things dont work from first hand experience.
>There's a reason your art is unpleasant to the eyes.
Yeah it's kind of being sought out. For a lot of them, production was halted precisely because of how frustrating they looked.
>You're making the same mistakes over and over again.
They're subtly different. It all builds on itself.
>You're not even trying to get into the tooth of the canvas.
idk what exactly you mean by this tbphwyf. What are we looking at that makes you think this? Like part of the process for year 2 has been focused on priming and gessoing and underpainting everything and building out on top of it. By the time I'm really detailing I'm like 3 layers away from the tooth of the canvas.
>Do you have at least one serious painting?
Not really? Some are more complete than others I guess. Some haven't been actively sabatoged as much either. I guess pict related is one that uppity types have said was one of the better juans.
>>3769848
como?

>>3724609
>Have you ever tried painting without a grid
yeah like 40 of them so far were hand drawn to canvas. And most of the first 150 of them were graphite transfers of printed out images.
>and if not, would you ever consider learning?
Yeah I've been drawing a lot more in the past 2 months. Working towards doing a bunch of pen and watercolor paintings next year. Like how I've kind of scheduled this is that I spent the first year tracing, second year gridding, third year hand drawing and then projecting, forth year projecting and giant blow up gridding and 3d, etc.

>>3720836
>lmao my guy. you're sad. here, have one of him working in real watercolor you gigantic, unskilled faggot.
Well the joke wasn't just that you posted someone working with a computer and a tablet, the fact that it's watercolor also speaks to your lack of any frame of reference when it comes to painting at all. There's a huge difference between watercolor and acrylic. The entire process is entirely different. Acrylic layering is a process of stacking lighter values on top of darker ones. One of the first steps in acrylic painting is to essentially cover up everything with gesso and primer colors.

Like the idea that you see a watercolor sketch on like a 5x3 card stock as the same thing as 12x16 or 24x20 acrylic painting speaks to the reality that you have no meaningful frame of reference with any of this shit.
>>3720842
and then here we got the same video and then a guy painting on charcoal. Are you saying that everyone that makes paintings has do do a charcoal underdrawing?

Like it's every thread with this shit. I've made like 320 paintings in 2 years. I've done around 40 paintings that were hand drawn to canvas. That's around 40 more paintings than (you). Pict related is a 20x24 hand drawn meme. Do I need to spam all the other paintings that were drawn to canvas or free painted?

>>3702283
> Some of the best work I've seen from you has been of subjects I don't recognize
I agree probably. Like when I'm working on something I'm care about I often either try and play it safe and fuck it up or get anxious after doing any effort and stall with working on it anymore. But when it's just some random reaction of someone I don't really even care about I tend to try more weird shit and a lot of the hangups go away.
>I feel like your potential is limited based on the reproducibility of the reference you are using, which is a shame
Yeah as I'm shifting out of the "peasant painting period" where I've been primarily focused on memes and reaction images solicited on 4chan, I have started to focus on ideas that don't involve proportional copies of images I don't own.
>I know you use grids, which is cool, but do you have any work where you haven't used grids
Well I mean 90% of year one was fucking graphite transfers. But 30-40 of them were hand drawn without gridding.

>>3678562
>And guess what? He got back feedback, telling him to re-examine the basics.
yeah and I appreciate it, but it's just a thing I've thought and talked about a lot and the process of going from graphite transfers to grids to projection and stuff is scheduled into the whole thing. Year one was tracing, year 2 is grids, year 3 will be about getting into projection and hand drawing more, etc. And there's still like 30-40 sprinkled in that were hand drawn to canvas without "cheating." Pic related is a 20x24 example.
>At some point, you're going to have to ask yourself, "who is your audience? What is your goal?" These questions are important!
Yeah exactly! I'm painting memes. A large chunk of muh 300+ paintings are exact proportional "copies" of reaction images and memes that I solicited from anons on /tv/. I don't own the rights to use any of these images, and for many of them I don't "own" the ideas related to them as memes. I'm just painting them. I'm stealing the exact image, transferring it onto a canvas, and fucking it up with paint.

As for who the audience is, it'd be internet-addicted meme consumers and bars and people that need art for their bathrooms and stuff probably. People that can't really tell the difference and don't really give a shit how the image got onto canvas as long as it's funny or interesting or aesthetic to them.

>If you're an electrician, and you ask a plumber how to improve your craft, they'll give you an honest answer, as best they can.
That's fair. I don't mean to come off as confrontational or defensive really it's just a major underlying theme that I've spent years thinking about. And I kind of like to preach about encouraging people to branch out past the fundamentals as a way to better understand the point of them and stuff. It's one thing to think that gridding is cheating or lazy, but the reality is that most of you have no experience with it. Which is basically kneecapping yourselves.

well this fucking ate up the day

>>3642827
nah uh u r

>>3640712
>Do any serious/professional artists that use a more realistic approach actually use acrylic paint?
I do but I'm a joke
>I can't, for the love of God, get used to this horrible shit
I'd say you should think of the process more along the lines of printmaking and layering but that's MY aesthetic bozo

>>3605995
>Why are the worst posters on this board always traditional painters (Illustrat, Chumbum, Brian, Jimmy, etc)?
The only people willing to eat shit from a bunch of malignant retards tend to also be malignant retards
>You would think the anime or furry posters would be the worst but it's actually the complete opposite.
Yeah they're generally pretty chill.
>Is it because they believe using traditional painting mediums makes them "superior" to every other artist on this board
I mean there's something to be said about actually mixing paint and doing a physical medium. I don't really have a problem with digimon artists EXCEPT for when they start trying to say that digital is "harder" or refuse to do anything other than digital etc
> so they don't think they need to bother learning fundamentals?
I mean all 4 of the ninja turtle tradfags that you called out generally understand "the fundamentals." You act like fucking loomis and basic color theory is some deep unexplored meme, when it often comes off as kids that literally only know "the fundamentals" and just reeeee about them when they don't know what else to say.
>I know that the best digital artists on the "Draw" and even "Porn" threads could create better paintings then them
A lot of them probably can't or would get super discouraged and go back to digimon. You can't edit+undo on canvas. I know Brian used to do digimon. I used to do digimon. It's WAY easier and faster and more efficient, and there's no consequences for fucking up. Loomis doesn't help you mix paint.

I would STRONGLY recommend you get some paints and cheap canvasses and expand your horizons. Traditional is not anywhere near as easy as you guys think it is.
>because they have better knowledge of fundies.
Everyone understands the fucking fundies. Very few of you are willing to appreciate subversion or anything in art educationor theory that comes AFTER you learn the fundamentals, which is why a lot of you struggle with the tradfags.

>>3604832
no

>>3601340
>any time somebody gives a critique you just brush it off and say something retarded
meant that for first greentext

>>3594842
>This is really quite rich coming from the most cancerous person on this board. You've managed to make yourself more hated from an asshat who ran a literal pedo discord.
Eh I'm mostly "hated" by assblasted do-nothing kids and shitposters. Not to mention that for most of the last month when I was doing the autoresponse "bot" goof, it was the same like 3 anons, one of which was apparently Brian. I have a stalker that's repeatedly threatened to find where I live and shoot me and my animals to death. They get banned, come back, and act like pathetic fucking retards feeding me (you)s and getting triggered that there's no rule against posting reaction art on the art board.
>You are an incredibly unpleasant person and I hope you dont act like this in real life.
Of course I don't act like this in real life. I do it here mostly as an outlet for actual anxiety. I don't care about your feelings. I don't know who you are. Having a gaggle of butthurt kids that interact with me regardless of what I'm doing is actually not too shabby. So many times anons who wanted to "dox" me would spam all my social media and basically market for me out of spite.
>The truth is this: People dont like confrontational persons like you.
No shit. People would much rather just circlejerk in their safe space as they radicalize against boogiemen and only interact with people that reinforce what they want to hear. Nobody likes being reminded that they're the reason they're unhappy.

>>3586967
>... really makes my alarms go off. if you have no pleasure in the finished piece, you are not in it and that will show in the piece itself.
I mean I have a whole lot of "pleasure in the finished piece" as a concept I'd reckon? idk if there REALLY necessarily is such a thing as a "finished piece." There's always more that you can do. That's always what the balance is about with painting and creative production to me. Knowing when it's good enough and knowing when more effort will fuck it up or whatever. Like pic related to me is one where I overworked on something that looked better before and it's all fucky now.

>>3585791
The irony is that I don't want to "destroy threads." Things were fine and I had already made muh jokes and then like clockwork the same dipshit as always showed up with the thread derailing ad hominem memes.

I'm not going to stop participating and posting light hearted goofs in threads. And I'm not going to stop doing the berserker bit when malignant assholes start doing their routine.

(you) choose your own adventure. I'd prefer being able to just post a few jokes and move on without having to deal with the same cancerous buttblasted muddy water retards making personal attacks against a robotsman.