/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1609394
I'll try to answers this one.
Why? I am the worst beginner on /ic/, lack discipline and have no experience with drawing that I can remember from my past.

So two weeks ago, after lurking this board for years, I decided that I'd have to start somewhere after having spent so much time on this board, remaining at square one.
In a crit thread it came to me why the sticky exists: you have to start somewhere.
And when I looked at amazon's list of books for beginners, I still do feel swamped by positive reviews of books, which satisfied the people who bought them:
"since I just wanted to draw comics/manga/webcomics, this books is excellent".

Of course, these people are happy with whatever book they just bought, because their interest in art is currently a dead end, they want to learn a neat trick to impress and endear them to others.
The sticky explained to me, that I don't see properly, can't see yet to be able to draw, showed me, that I see things as symbols, as discreet entities instead of being part of a whole, so I picked up the two books mentioned there, in the sticky, for absolute beginners like me.

>you ever will
What are you? Some kind of depressed person?
Go sharpen your pencils with a knife and get a beard.

>>1608858
So, it is an exercise in decadence, not one in skill.
Great.

>>1609112
Nobody cares either way.

>>1609093
Creating something spherical is wasteful in terms of resources, so it translates whatever is spherical to "oh, they find this easy because they don't have to care for raw materials and resources"; the "eyes" are there because a random person has to see that this flying thing is capable of perceiving things.
A light splotch can easily be understood as an eye, simplifying ears or other sensory organs is rather tricky (remember the squid robots from Matrix and how one of them had to be portrayed using something close to a radar dish so the audience could go "ah, it heard that sound"?).

It all boils down to the semiotics of shapes and functions applied to these shapes.

>>1608850
Sure thing.

It's not that David Hellman's artistic choices under Jonathan Blow's direction are distinct in terms of art, but they are distinct in terms of computer games, a field which is notorious for aping "the one true design" which is also known as "dude, I think this game sold millions because of the way it looks".

And since artists influence other artists, I can imagine how the person having done OP's drawing wnet about it:
we are about to create a very distinct and unusual game in terms of the current computer game market; Braid came out of left field and was distinct in looks and plot; we'd like to be kind of like Braid; so here's a reminder which could possibly put us close to Braid in terms of gamer expectations.

I do, the beginner that I am.

Don't.

If you wish to draw unattractive or downright ugly people, by all means, do so, but keep in mind that you, as the artist, control every single stroke and shading, that everything you do is deliberate; having said that, people (or "people") expect aesthetically pleasing choices in your drawings and paintings, unless you are drawing abominations and monstrosities which can be easily identified as such.

tl;dr the uncanny valley

>>1608725
Because
A. a gimmick is always there for the people who don't draw so they feel impressed and
B. without coffee, this would be "just" a drawing/painting.

What the artist refuses to accept is that the media used should complement the piece rather than overshadow it.

Reminds me of the style of the game Braid.

>>1608622
There was a time when some people on /ic/ compiled a folder filled with books on art, gathering whatever has been recently shared on filesharing platforms.
They, of course, used a democratic voting system which was inclusive, so whichever anon voted yes on a book, then that book went into that folder.

This same folder is still being shared as a torrentable system on many torrent trackers, with a few variations between the content, because someone went and improved the content.

Incidentally, this folder is the reason why most d/ic/ks have the same ching chong bing bang how did this get here?

tl;dr this folder exists, as a torrent. Just ask /ic/ to show off their art folder.

>>1608395
That is sad. He's a broken man who should go see a doctor instead of continually harming himself by doing these weird comics.

>>1608378
It is fairly fun, isn't it?
Let it play and do something else while it plays.

/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1608362
http://youtu.be/eregVsiVhH8

>>1608339
Thanks, OP.

>>1608190
I am with this fine savage as well.
Without the information who the two characters are supposed to be, OP's drawing doesn't make me go "hey, it's such and such".

OP can say who they are but I don't see it.

It seems you don't understand how colours work.
No, you can't do that with any one or many light sources.

>>1607552
How much is he paying you for doing this commission?

>>1607523
A few people on /ic/ take offense at someone using manga as reference for their beginning interest in creating art themselves because manga, just as comics, are using strongly simplified human characters, simplified to the point where they are borderline recognizable as humans and so almost dropping back into the area of symbolic drawing; so, they don't take these people seriously at all, because these "amateurs" as you put it, do not or rarely do use a an actual model or a human as reference (life drawing, for instance) and then apply a stylization to this foundation grounded in reality but instead apply stylization to an already stylized character (if your mind responds in any way to the words "distinct deviant Art look", you know what I mean), ignoring that the original manga artist has her foundations set straight and is fully capable of drawing anatomically, say, faces correctly.

Of course, there are exceptions. There are good manga amateurs and there are bad manga professionals, always allow for deviations.

Other people (maybe not here, maybe somewhere else) compare comics to manga in such a way that they consider comic characters to be somewhat closer to reality than manga characters, but this kind of depends on someone's personal preferences in what makes a drawing "real" or "more real": are stylized woman's faces okay to be near bland? How large do the muscles of my character have to be in proportion to its head? Compare the 1990's version of the comic character Glory to its latest incarnation.
Which one do you prefer? Why?

If you compare Akira to, say, Dragon Ball, which one do you prefer here?
Why?

Seemingly, some of these arguments (there are far more than I can grasp or cover) and opinions are more of a question of how far should something like manga/comic stray away from realistic depictions of humans or how far they can stray.

tl;dr Simplification: comic characters have fucked up bodies, manga characters have fucked up faces

>>1607484
A few months ago I have come to enjoy the weirdest movies by ignoring both imdb and the individual movie's plot and simply sitting or standing there, awed and brain-addled by recognizing a part of how much thought went into the visualizations of ideas.

Come to think of it, I think I'll watch the new version of The Thing again. :)

>>1607483
Because people like you and me don't see others like they see themselves.
Add intellectual, cultural and personal insecurities and what a person sees in other people tells you more about that person than it does about other people.

If you see some satanistic archetype in other people then it just might be you not yet having expanded beyond what you hold true by virtue of having read and understood it.

>>1607476
Battle: Los Angeles and its army of monsters recently struck me as progressive if only because their design fakes a humanoid body.

http://conceptartworld.com/?p=6586

>>1607395
I have heard that doing the Famous Artists Course and completing it is a quick fix for the people whose internal tyrant tells them to draw oddly specific things which are still out of reach.
http://www.amazon.com/Famous-Artists-Course-Lessons-24/dp/B000BPIO5M

I think all photo manipulations suffer from the individual elements not sharing the same temperature of white light and not having the same light source(s).