/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

YOU HAVE BEEN VISITED BY THE DUMBASS GREMLIN WHO FORGOT TO PUT A CASE ON HIS IPAD PRO (despite the obvious superior aesthetic feel of no case) AND TOOK IT ON VACATION TO THE BEACH !!! (literally broke it in the airport back fugging hell mane)

ANYWAYS go put a case on that bitch. Thank god xmas is in like 5 days...

PASTE 'f' to pay respects, this guy made it like two years without a case....

>>6940747
>Why call someone an artist if they make art?

*should be

>Why call someone an artist if they DON'T make art?

>>6940745

I ultimately couldn’t shake the foundational memories of me as a child I had of lying awake at night and staring at the ceiling, wondering, scared even:

>“When you die, it’s just nothingness forever. You end. There is no coming back, not for you or anyone else that has left the land of the living (Sorry Jesus). Your time is limited and you better make it count.”
Or as Eminem put it:

“You better lose yourself in the music, the moment, you own it, you better never let it go, You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow, This opportunity comes in a lifetime”

That’s my philosophy in a nutshell. Go big, don’t worry so much you forget to live, but ultimately, I AM GOING TO BE THE GREATEST ARTIST EVER BECAUSE ONE DAY ALL THAT WILL REMAIN ARE MY WORKS.
You can’t exactly call yourself, or anyone an artist who doesn’t end up with a large body of works left behind when they die? Why call someone an artist if they make art?

Enough death talk.
Nowadays, I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist. I have a moral code that I subscribe to and ultimately do not believe in god BUT I’m not %100 sure.
>“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
>―Marcus Aurelius

(I hope this isnt derailing the thread, but I swear all this background is neccasary to answer the question OP asked, plus I guess I just feel like writing)

I. RELIGION and UPBRINGING

I was raised atheist and forbidden from going to church. Both my parents are STEM orientated, one being a scientist, the other a computer programmer. I ended up “rebeling” by pretty much doing the opposite of what most people do when they forced to go to church and believe in god, only later to denounce it all and become an atheist.

Atheism ultimately means you do not have faith or pledge your allegiance to anything outside of your brain. In buddhist philosophy: “Every living thing has a Buddha nature, including you. Do not trust any head above your own.” I like this because I think it ultimately describes my main problem with God, Spirituality and religion. Try as I might to believe in the divine, (down to the point of taking a Christian philosophy class, taking psychedelics, going to church)

0.INTRODUCTION

I was for lack of a better word, talented (I don’t really think so but I can’t tell you how many times people called me that) as a young artist despite not drawing and painting at a more “professional” level later in high school AP art.
I started drawing as soon as I was cognitive enough to pick up a pencil and draw. In middle school, I drew comics, “Probe 11” and “Shadow Alley”. I was heavily inspired by “Captain Underpants” and the “Treehouse Comix” featured in the books. I personally loved the storytelling aspect of having the two fictional main characters have their own comics that they drew and photocopied to sell at their school. I did the same. Each page, was more or less a single issue. Far from manga one shots, each “issue” continued the story along. I sold each photocopied page for 25 cents. I would later use the money to buy Sonic The hedgehog comics at my local comic store. My friends mainly bought them. Looking back, it wasn’t for the gripping (try more cringey) story I was illustrating about space or half demon (thanks Inuyasha) vampire pirates, but I like to think it was just because they wanted to support their artist friend and perhaps own a comic by them.

Fast forward, at 18, I win a scholarship in high school for some contest, $2000, got a 5 on my AP art portfolio, and just geared up to attend art school. My russian parents had other plans. Instead of fighting for my dream and gaining liberty through self sustainable means,( like I would later found a friend of my on discord did) I instead to chose to take the safe route and just do what my parents said, because they made it perfectly clear they were not going to pay for art school. They wanted me to go to college to be a doctor, and I eventually just gave up. Fine, how bad could suppressing your passion be?

>Artwork with themes of solitude and isolation
Pic related, Christ in the Desert by Ivan Kramskoy

>How many of you gave up all social and family obligations to focus on your artistic goals? How did it affect you mental health and your artistic ability?

Oh boy. I could write a novel about this, as someone who has actually done this. I'll dedicate some posts because I feel this a pair of complex questions that I think I personally have been through the grit of this shit dealing with addiction and alienating, pretty much everyone. Family included.


0.INTRODUCTION

I. RELIGION and UPBRINGING (Why you ultimately don't need God in your corner, but in trying times, There's no such thing as a atheist in a foxhole)

II. FOCUSING ON ART as a NEET (Why it is ultimately a challenge, as opposed to drawing in your free time amidst a 9-5 job)

III. MENTAL HEALTH and ARTISTIC ABILITY (Why talent as a youth is truly overrated and why prodigies do not always make for successful creative adults)

IV. CONCLUSION (On the Hero's Journey or Why you can always count on your friends; assuming you already can count on yourself)

I have 0 and I written out and will post the rest of the essay when I finish. For now, I guess I can just post the first two "chapters" just to see what you guys think so far.

FINAL Level 5: "Exchange of sensitive information" amongst parties

I will illustrate a scenario for Level 5.

Level 5 means one person, who they claim to be online, is giving another party sensitive information, of their own free will.

That does not mean the other person has to be who they say they are, for example, in a negative scenario, sometimes the other person is claiming to be another person, so they are actually on level 4, but claim to be level 5 (Yeah of course, I'm luigi, Ill send you some nudes (of luigi, which means said nudes may be stolen from luigi) and you send me yours! Lucinda sends her nudes of her own free will, but does not know luigi is not who he says he is, but instead is a hacker who has acquired nudes of luigi with the presumed intention of acquiring Lucindas nudes which (the fake luigi) may or may not use for blackmail or revenge porn crimes. Anything that follows, legal action is to be handled by the proper authorities. Lucinda is operating at 5 while Luigi is pretending to be 5 but is actually 4.

Thats all folks, From anonymously exchaning pleasantries on an imageboard, to giving out your nudes to someone who says they are the person they are, I'm Boxman, or at least I claim to be.

Back to your regularly scheduled (OP) thread already in progress.

I have subconsciously shifted this into >>6937919
ONLINE SOCIAL MASK LEVELS™PENDING LEVELS 1-5

LEVEL 1 is to be assumed as "Both parties are anonymous but ultimately just exchanging pleasantries without any disclosure of personal information"
==
LEVEL 3 OR LOWER / ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD / 4CHAN TRIPFAGGOTRY ENDS HERE
===
Level 4: Facebook level
The person you are communicating with MAY OR MAY NOT BE the person attached to the online info provided which may or may not include, real name, picture of person (assuming legally) attached to real name

You never know if the person you care talking to on facebook is the actual person, we just trust they are based on how they talk, but remember, fake accounts do exist and may operate under the guise of said person.

At this point the subject at hand has no bearing, you are assuming you are talking to an actual person attached to said real name and vice versa.
you can talk about the weather, or art, or whatever you please, but the scenarios are thus:

LEVEL 4 PERSON A IS TALKING TO LEVEL 4 PERSON B AND NOBODY IS MASQUERADING UNDER FALSE PREMISES , FALSE NAMES, JOKE NAMES.

A(Lucinda Mcgulicuty): hows the weather Luigi?
B(Luigi Sandusky) : Its cloudy Lucinda!

For arguments sake, Both luigi and Lucinda are the actual person the claim online to be in this scenario.

Level 3: I have disclosed my identity and or incriminating info while my (lets say opposing party but we are not at odds necessarily we are simply discussing should things stay civil) has not.

I am currently at level 3 of openness, because 4chan is no longer purged of threads like it used to be in the good ol' 2016 days. If you post with a name, with some searching, you can find my old threads and posts through ic databases with some searching.

>>6937889
>>6937882
and
>>6937886

have all chosen to remain anonymous, while expressing their opinions without any disclosure to their identies, at least at the non dark web level. I'm sure the 4chan administrators and mods and perhaps janitors if im not mistaken can find the IP should the law neccesitate it, but they do so at their own discretion because what makes 4chan GREAT, and not /pol/ MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN mentality is thus, you are ANONYMOUS. and thus operating at level 2. I am currently at 3.

>>6937914

SOCIAL MASK LEVELS™PENDING LEVELS 1-5

Level 1: Hows the weather? How are you? Social American English or My native tongue of Russian, but more or less exchanging pleasantries. The level most people operate when meeting a new person or not disclosing any vital incriminating
info.
Level 2: Some information is revealed, but ultimately still anonymous, Me and >>6937889
are currently on this level. Anon has expressed anon "All literally me depending on my energy levels and proximity to other people." which opens up the conversation further, prompting this post: >>6937914
Ultimately, because 4chan focuses on social interest/hobbies/ ARTWORK/CRITIQUE /ic/ to name one, the thread at hand has a clear (intended) focus, we are discussing THE OP SUBJECT >>6937734 OF MBTI and "Which letters will make you good at art and which letters will make you suck at art"

or "WHAT MEYERS BRIGGS OR MBTI PERSONALITY TYPES PREVAIL AT /ic/'s (COLLECTIVE BUT NOT UNIANIMOUSLY AGREED UPON DEFINITION OF GOOD ART)

Levels 3-5 will be expanded on the next post.

>>6937889

Thats a fair assessment, I'm similar to you honestly. It depends also on what social masks and social level of openness I am with the person I'm talking to, (you) and I are on level 2, and I'll explain those levels in my next post.

The point of the test is more so which are you more inclined to lean on a regular basis.

Though I am both extroverted and introverted and yes depending on what people are present, what social mask I am wearing, I tend to lean towards Introversion to recharge my energy levels by staying home instead of going out, (I need a lot of time alone.) Intuition is terms of how I decide to act on problems,(When making decisions, I mostly let myself be guided by my intuition.) Feeling and respecting other feelings in priority to acting on Thinking, (I tend to concentrate more on the positive sides of a person and do not find weaknesses to be so bad.) and Perceiving (I have no idea what will be going on next weekend - but something will certainly turn up.
I have a terrible habit of putting things off - especially unpleasant things.)

>>6937882
>>6937884

>What exactly is pseudoscientific about putting people who attest to introversion in an introvert group and people who attest to extroversion into an extrovert group?

I think we are on the same side, there is nothing psuedoscientific about it, psychoogy is rooted in science. Astrology is not.

>so mine is Dreamy Idealist or INFP

The answer on the site says it best:
>To a certain degree in the end all of us are “mixtures” of the 16 personality types – for instance, hardly anyone is a pure “Dreamy Idealist” or “Analytical Thinker”. Therefore, don’t overrate the test results – on the other hand they can indeed point to certain propensities and can be helpful in a variety of ways.

>>6937873
https://www.ipersonic.com/test.html


I'm not a shill for this company but its a free test that you can optionally go further and pay for (i dont know why anyone would but hey)
this is the fastest 4 question test for meyers btw briggs btw but they use some weird name instead of INTP or shit so some quick googling will elucidate the briggs eqivalent.

https://www.ipersonic.com/personality-types.html

Our free personality test is extrapolated from a typology which was originally developed by the psychoanalyst Carl Gustaf Jung and later differentiated by Isabel Meyers and Katherine Briggs. This typology is based on different temperaments and attitudes respectively that are widely held to be hereditary. They take influence on our perceptions, thought process, feelings and behavior. This typology is based on four opposite pairs of personality dimensions. These are:

The Energy Dimension: Extraversion versus Introversion
The Information Dimension: Sensing versus Intuition
The Decision Dimension: Thinking versus Feeling
The Action Dimension: Perceiving versus Judging

The Idealists
The Dreamy Idealist
The Spontaneous Idealist
The Harmony-seeking Idealist
The Engaged Idealist
The Thinkers
The Analytical Thinker
The Independent Thinker
The Dynamic Thinker
The Groundbreaking Thinker
The Realists
The Reliable Realist
The Good-natured Realist
The Determined Realist
The Social Realist
The Doers
The Sensitive Doer
The Laid-back Doer
The Energetic Doer
The Individualistic Doer

Of course, these are relatively basic categories which - just like all attempts to categorize – in the end of the day cannot reflect us human beings in our great individuality. These dimensions merely capture preferences, i.e. the manner in which we mostly prefer to deal with the world. In certain situations, however, it is entirely possible that we behave totally contradictorily.

>>6937800
>basically horoscope tier shit for autistic niggas
ignore it and move on

You're wrong.
>The MBTI was constructed by two Americans: Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter Isabel Briggs Myers, who were inspired by the book Psychological Types by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung.[8] Isabel Myers was particularly fascinated by the concept of introversion and she typed herself as an "INFP". However, she felt the book was too complex for the general public, and therefore she tried to organize the Jungian cognitive functions to make it more accessible

Meyers briggs is based on Jungian concepts which are based on tarot, which are based on hebrew letter mysticism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Arcana
Horoscopes are based on astrology, a far more pseudopscience than actual psychology.

Pic unrelated but could make a good study or something.

I think what everyone is referring to is that you have used a model, created by someone else, as the foundation of your artwork.

You are new, so I'll give you a pass this once and explain how /ic/ is supposed to work circa 2023ish.

>ON GENERALS
Most people tend to post in generals, this isn't mandatory but it's kind of the Kool Kids Klub way of doing things around here. You want to survive /ic/ ? Imagine your typical middle school lunchroom food fight, only worse, and instead of chucking eggs and other atrocities we all realized that boxman himself had autism had severe ptsd from a lunchroom food fight he had witnessed in middle school was now the platform and perhaps last line of defense of the chaotic clusterfuck that was COMMONLY SHARED OVER REALITY or CSOR.Now, I realize I witnessed a chaotic awesomeness I can now insta-replay in my head. Anytime I want. What was once a metaphorical, terrifying, grifiting, vertitable shard of glass in my brain, is now polished to a gem.

That is where you are, or rather where Only instead of throwing food, people throw insults. At your art. I stand back and watch it all happen.

Why that memory was chaotic for me was that in my middle school, LOCATED in P*******, California, every day, the kids who were autistic enough to stay after and wash the lunch tables, got to skip the line for paying for lunch. Clearly we had pissed some washed away rodent with our goody two-shoes-child labor, so they decided to have a food fight thinking we would clean it up because we had every other day? Thats kid Logic. (We didn't by the way). The kids who coordinated and started it and brought eggs were found through security cameras. At the end of the day, my autistic ass is glad it was a a food fight and not a school shooting.
Anyways, have a nice day!
Try to post in the generals next time instead of making your own thread when generally asking for advice around here, otherwise I gotta show up and do this whole thing. bye!

Bruh.
First, OC redraw uses a redraw of my OC for the OP >>6932272
and now the lewd OC thread has my art as the OP????
Truly grateful.
I won't let you guys down:
TEMPORARILY UNAMED
DRAGON GIANTESS GODDESS
Backstory: Guards the grave and tomb of the only mortal to defeat her in battle, who spared her life should she promise to guard the holy dagger with his body after he perishes. Many years have passed and people have long since forgotten about the hero, but any foolish thief bold enough to go the ruined outskirts of the old capital city bear warning; Her entire body is composed of the Wuxing elements:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy)
Head: Fire 火
Right arm: Wood木
Right Leg: Water水
Left leg: Metal 金
Left Arm: Earth土

So yeah. This should be fun lol.

>>6930610

>Excerpt from saveloomis.org, the website link on your pic related:
>Due to a cease-and-desist letter from the current COPYRIGHT HOLDERS of the loomis books, I have been forced to take down all copies of his work from my site.

Are you trolling? Where on the site is this? I knew people shitting up /ic/ but wow.

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Fun%20WIth%20a%20Pencil.pdf

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Drawing%20the%20Head%20and%20Hands.pdf

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Successful%20Drawing.pdf

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Creative.Illustration.pdf

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Eye%20Of%20The%20Painter.pdf

>>6930394
>Just because someone publishes pirated copyrighted material online doesn’t magically make it public domain

No shit. It's why I said it's ESSENTIALLY public domain, you double braindead double nigger.
Are you 5 or in your early twenties or something? It's the first result on the most used search engine in the west, with a link to every book by western author Andrew Loomis. NOBODY (i guess except you) gives a fuck how things work in the online real world™ but on the online real world™ the very website you now browse is the only chan remaining post eight chan purge. Why? I wonder. Utilizing Oocam's Razor, in which the simplest explanation to an unknowable situation is more than likely the correct answer, then unless everybody unanimously participated in the "Keep 4chan alive!" donation pool, the US government wouldn't just keep anything liable to domestic and international terrorism (far more than futaba channel because that only works in Japan, and thanks mainly to /pol/) for no reason. It's a honeypot for the most loser scum who shoot up civilians but then are retarded to announce it here first. They let users like you and I get away because they know deep down if they kill this site, not only do they lose all of the OTHER sites archiving this goldmine, but It'll just be replaced by something worse/the same.

>>6930314
>That’s legit copyright infringement

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

ALL of loomis on the first google result. It's essentially public domain now becuase the site hasn't been taken down. Nobody cares.

>>6930280
I have nothing against using AI to modernize Loomis, AS LONG AS IT LATER DRAWN OVER AND CORRECTED BY AN ARTIST WHO KNOWS WHAT THE F*** they are doing and not just trying to cash in on some korean get rich quick scheme which is what it seems like.
If you can contact them (OP), shit I'll even provide hi res poses based on the poses in Loomis.
I posted a lot of nude reference back in 2015 but they're low quality and I have a far better 14MP camera now.

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/2306366/#2306366
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/2307374/#2307374
https://www.deviantart.com/boxmancharles

>>6930280
>>6930287
Vilppu taught me the mouth is 1/3 down and the bottom of the lip is 1/2 down from the bottom of the nose.
Is it objectively true or just subjectively true because it coincidentally falls that way on my face (pic related) because I have bigger lips?

>>6930272
>Find some of the most beautiful artwork I've seen in a zip file for some secret santa thing
>turns out he went full schizoid shortly after the event now believes he's Jesus and fictional characters he likes.

...

Thats not me is it? I don't recall doing a secret santa but everyone on here calls me schizo and thinks im obsessed with Jesus for some reason.

>>6927685

I feel like there are generated coordinated threads made by either bored faggots on discord servers or russians.

Having been born in russia I can tell you the two most cynical bases are cynical incel NEEts and Russians. I imagine russian incel NEEts to be the parardigm psychopath. I myself am more sociopathic, in that I feel guilty when i break the law but ultimately when shit hits the fan i break the law to save myself. I'm a follower of the law up to the point that I wait at a red light at 1am when theres no one there anyways, but if there sas a fucking hurricane fuck that sheep mentality ??
I would never actively fuck people over for my own gain though and that people are exponentially meaner on /ic/ than other boards is multiplied by the fact people post their lifeblood creations, more or less their figurative children and have their ego and self esteem torn to shreds instead of building up fellow anons when times are hard. we aren't on 4chan because we want to be, were here because irl we cant find anyone else to hash out these disruptive thoughts which i why i therapeutically keep coming back, that and to gatekeep more or less.

I just found out myself and Illustrat are archived on the first page of https://4chanarchives.com/board/ic/

weird that was 2016 and i was actively posting here. fugg. 7 years ago? I was 24. fugg.

so yeah see thread title.