/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7178251
dude i really feel that, grinding 5 years and all, that's why im too scared to try anything new desu, because im afraid that i will sink 5 more years without improving much.

I posted this already in the last thread right before it ended sowwy

I drew this without a reference pose for the first time and only looking at the character photo for the clothing, is this GMI level or just pure beg tier? Am i going in the right direction?

>>7180361
Oh my fucking god not again im actually retarded

Theres something off with her lips, can any anon help me?

>>7178491
Thanks bruv.

dithering is based

>>7177755
not a booru, and i know cos i have the same exact gripes as OP despite having my own tumblr for online art backups (just in case somehow my pc's ssd and networked storage system shit out on me)

>>7177421
I use Wikimedia. You can search for all kinds of art by movement, century, artist, genre, or any combination of the tags. It has a lot of great fine art, works from the old masters, etc. I was able to make a dedicated folder of my favorite Flemish Baroque painters just from browsing the site.

Artvee is an option for public domain.
There is the occasional attempt at a fine art booru like https://farb.booru.org/ , they don't seem to take off.

>>7177421
There probably is,bit it's discreet community made a vow to never reveal it to hobbiests.

>>7177421
Booru's only serve as AI training databases now.

>>7177404
>try to finish a new illustration
>struggle with xxx
>copy a bunch of photos and/or learn from books and youtube tutorials about drawing it
>finish my illustration
>rinse and repeat
It's not that complex really. Alternatively I go through a course I like and just do the recommended exercises - that's studying as well.

>>7177437
This is basically what I'm doing. Draw something, analyze what sucks, do studies on that for a week or two. On the side, I go through courses that interest me to either reinforce shit I already know, or learn new things.

>>7177404
>study
I just stay bad my man.

I have an anxiety atack, then I draw for like 6 hours straight, then I don't draw for like 2 weeks, repeat

>>7177349
>24:00
your days are 24 minutes long, no wonder you have no time!

>>7177349
>finish four hour goon sesh
remove

>wake up, breakfast, get dressed etc.
grab 30min here

there, 4h30 per week day. 10h to 12h saturday and sunday.

>>7177349
Go to jail.
Seriously.
Your life will quickly come to depend on drawing funnies or lewds.

>>7177349
draw while sleeping bro

waking up and collecting the energy to make breakfast and groom yourself (which is several steps on its own that each need focus and energy) takes much more than one hour. It takes me 20 minutes to make breakfast and then I have to spend 20 minutes or more to eat it or else it wasn't worth the time I invested making it. (like eating something in 5 minutes that took you an hour to cook, your brain will question why you spend so long cooking) so if I wake up at 6:30 then I can finally "begin" my day at 9:00.

Then I have to start charging energy while updating myself on world news and my different finances/emails/adult things. Then I have to respond to these things which will drain the energy I just charged. At this point, drawing is impossible because I just saw some bad news or my situation got worse which destroys my mental. I sit and watch youtube videos or some other random crap for an hour or two to charge energy.

at 12:00 I eat lunch, it takes at least 20 minutes to make it and I eat it over an hour because if I finish eating it then I'm back in the pit of despair, so I enjoy the food for as long as possible. I watch a couple of 2 minute videos which take ten minutes each to watch somehow, and its 3:00pm. I'm ready to draw now but I need ideas to draw, so I start thinking about what to draw. An hour later if I get an idea, I start drawing. If not, then I fap for a little bit (2 hours) while hyper focused on finding the perfect material. Edging as long as possible to enjoy the moment before I have to go back to reality. Suddenly its 7pm and I might draw now and force out some shitty drawing after an hour. At this point I'm wiped because I had a full day of bullshit so I can't draw any more, and I'm still recovering from that long session I spent drawing which gave 0 dopamine.

Gabe wtf.

>>7177244
How do you expect to receive an evaluation if you won't even post your work?
Everything about your post screams "I'm never gonna make it".

>>7177244
>How many hours per day should you study fundamentals and other artists if you want to get social media level good in 2 years max?


It's really best to stop trying to calculate these stats like this because even if you do get a number, odds are it might not apply to you. Everyone learns at different rates. "Social Media level good" is highly vague because people have blown up on Social Media over low level doodles

>>7177244
if youre starting from nothing you wont be able to get very good in two years

fuck off gabe

>>7177142
This has been out long before nightshade was even released, not that anyone uses nightshade anyway

>>7177352
I'm sure a good number of people do use it, but nobody is going to advertise the fact they're using it; that would only paint a target on their back. You are right that there could be far more people using it, what really needs to be done is a quick in browser version. I've heard some try it out and say that it took anywhere from an hour to five hours to get your protected image - that's just simply too inconvenient. It's somewhat telling that Adobe and co. haven't implemented some sort of protection into their image outputs for those who wish for it, the dickheads.

Anyway, it should also be noted that the nightshade people have stated that they have not seen any evidence of their obfuscation/poisoning techniques being by-passed, but just claims that they have.

>>7177362
>they have not seen any evidence of their obfuscation/poisoning techniques being by-passed
the fact that the "antidote" came out before nightshade was even released didn't clue you in?

OP... do you notice that the repository says (Deprecated)?

Also, https://x.com/ravenben/status/1717293733765349391

>>7177369
Did you not notice that I wasn't just referring to just that particular 'antidote'?

>>7177211
Those are some insane nipples.

>>7178765
Can you post an example of minimum level of "good" necessary?

>>7178834
>Tough luck. Then I can't help you, "pal".
please get off reddit

>>7177136
If popularity is what you want just hop on tiktok, post consistently and use trending sounds hell even the app recommends what music to use. You don’t even need to make proper reels pics have become really really popular. if you want to make money then use youtube and tiktok (tiktok monetization isn't available in all regions)

>>7177232
Great analytic questions and details. Sav'd

>>7180324
>>7180322
Basado. Shrieking about learning methods when you're too narrow-minded to understand how people differ is silly. I've seen this phenomenon on /fit/, where an anon insisted that someone who hasn't worked out before should immediately get into an intense 5-day split program. I've seen it on /int/ and /jp/, where they constantly demotivate one another as part of the culture and follow and promote ludicrous practices, such as cramming an online Japanese grammar course and then immediately jumping into immersion without a single word in their vocabulary. Most people fail when they jump into the deep end, and that failure makes them quit. If what you need to do to progress as a beginner is draw a thousand basic shapes, then do it and work towards the next level. It's that simple.

You may want to get Brent Eviston's "The Art and Science of Drawing" course from the /ic/ mega torrent instead of DAB. He covers the fundamentals way better and still preaches practice as warmups.
https://www.archiveofsins.com/t/thread/1069595

>>7179968
No nigga, when you already and used to using a tablet display why the fuck should you be bothered to go strict to the rule crap like these course? Ctrl+Paint is a better more all-round than this beg-trap alongside their cultist whiteknights.

I have no problem with drawing hundreds of boxes/spheres but you need to be basing them on actual objects.

You need to develop an intuition for what ratios of front to side plane look natural or your volumes will look janky even if they converge.

>>7180319
>thats the problem that made you/me a NEET to begin with. failure to plan is a plan to fail.
I used to be a NEET for years and I wasted all that time watching anime and jerking off.
I wish I learned in-demand skills and started an online business instead like I did years later.
My CV is full of large gaps but I don't need a boss to make money and honestly I'd rather never work for someone else again.

>>7177038
Start turning your reference upside down. This is a good exercise to stop your brain from seeing "eyes, ears, nose, mouth" and to start just seeing shapes instead.

>>7177038
learn to actually look at your reference/model

>>7177148
Actually helped me, but for how long should I do this anyway?

>>7177090
i mean are you trying to perfectly replicate a trollface? cuz I can already tell what its supposed to be

>>7178110
Yeah, it was an observation practice. I plan to do the same with other 3d objects though

>>7177325
>you can't just control Z
Digital art only gives you the option to do it, it doesn't force you to do anything.

>>7176960
IMO it's best to do both. I prefer trad though. Even with a screen tablet I don't feel like I have as much control as I do with a real pencil/pen.

>>7176960
Trad will force you to try getting your lines right in the first attempt, since erasing with a rubber requires more work than ctrl-z. Overtime this will become second nature and you will get most of your lines right in the first attempt. After getting a decent understanding of the fundamentals, move over to digital to make your life easier.

>>7177344
let's be honest most people will use CTRL-Z, selection, transformation and move tools to fix errors because it's easy.
>your drew the head to big? just use the transformation tool to shrink it.
>you drew something a bit off? Use the selection tool to cut out and the use the move tool to place it in the right place.
Drawing trad kinda force you to learn to get most things right in the first try. Since correction will be much more effort than digitally.

>>7177430
>let's be honest most people will use CTRL-Z, selection, transformation and move tools to fix errors because it's easy
For actual drawings yes, but if you're just practicing there's no point in doing that.
Also there are programs that force you to use traditional techniques on a digital canvas, like the Pixiv Sketch one. Drawings made on that website all look very distinct because it's so rudimental.

>>7177186
Fuk u

>>7178156
get a sense of humor, dickwad. 4chan is not for puritans like you

>>7176918
Heh, Gottem

>>7177186
Lmao got'em

i did my OC getting grabbed!

>>7176876
if the choice is those 2, then the left.

>>7176896
I disagree, the right has more of the "about to" quality

test

>>7176876
right, but please find some ref. ice skaters or something...

>>7176851
>the fact that he started Usogui in his 30s
I read that it's at 28, still past 25 but not in 30s.

>>7176851
you'd have to be a brain dead retard if you manage to still not improve despite drawing every single day, a chapter every week, with characters in all sorts of situations, angles, poses, etc etc. You'd genuinely have to try to not improve.

>>7176851
As much as I love Toshio (Usogui is one of my favorites), in my opinion his art has really dropped in recent years
Don’t get me wrong, his understanding of anatomy and dynamic action scenes are still top-tier, but something about his expressions has really fallen off. Case in point, peak Usogui (around chapter 300 or so) to the oneshot spin-off (the last picture in your collage)
He cannot draw Usogui like he used to, sad but true

>>7176851
please kill yourself if you think this is remotely good art. go back to your containment board on a or jp or one of the gay boards.

>>7177556
PYW

>>7180996
Falseflaggers. Just ignore.

>>7180996
lovers quarrel, pay it no attention

>>7181073

>pack bag
>not get dressed first

This father has his priorities straight.

>>7181073
is this the loli cobson

>>7176948
See, it's a silly little Osaka

>>7176760
independent english teacher next

I thought it's a man with a big ass smile and blocky jaw

>>7179545
15 years progress just to make a lineart girl floating in the void. I am in hell.

>>7178606
It's impossible to convince some people here to be themselves because they have no stable sense of identity or self worth. This is one of the reasons why the talent/genes/hard work debate here is so toxic (and possibly the most toxic of all art debates ever, bringing out insane crabs and entitlement and narcissism.) Though this thread has managed to avoid the usual shitstorm.

The crab doesn't want to be themselves, they're uncomfortable in their own skin and their personalities are malformed. In order to feel worthy, they need to graft themselves onto (what they believe to be) an OBJECTIVE measure of artistic worth to justify hard work. They have a rigid and mechanical way of seeing the world as an input/output system with no room for the irrationalities of existence that define human experience.

They elevate guys like KJG and think "if I work hard, I can be like KJG!" When they fail, they become bitter and spend the rest of their lives raging against the "unfairness" of the world that barred them from achieving their ideal.

They then take it out on everyone who suggests that hard work is valuable at all because it makes them feel inferior.

Hard work does matter, talent is real, no amount of hard work will make you KJG, but you should work hard anyway because you (supposedly) LOVE TO DRAW and hard work deepens that love.

What I don't think teachers 'get' about crabs is that crabs are retarded and need everything spelled out to them. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The teacher says "yes, hard work is everything!" because they're assuming the student is smart enough to understand that life is unfair and are just trying t hype them up for THEIR individual journey. The crab is mentally ill, and is drawing for bad pretenses (wanna be the best to prove I matter in society!) rather than sustainable ones (wanna draw because it feels good!)

>>7176730
>I do believe that talent in art exists, which can perhaps best be predicted by an IQ test
Look ma! I posted it again!!

>>7176730

>>7176730
>all this faggy rambling instead of just doing the do
define "making it" btw. such a dumb fucking meme. art is what their creators make of it. not being pretentious or whatever, that's simply what it should be. some guy drawing hentai making mega bucks is not my version of "making it". something modern art tard blowing up on social media for duct taping a fork to a banana isn't either. creating things that mean something to you is more than enough, and that does not require some kind of gatekeeping requirement level. as long as it isn't AI slop, a drawing of a stick figure is still something. why care about all kinds of other irrelevant abstract nonsense

>>7179446
>define "making it" btw. such a dumb fucking meme. art is what their creators make of it. not being pretentious or whatever, that's simply what it should be. some guy drawing hentai making mega bucks is not my version of "making it". something modern art tard blowing up on social media for duct taping a fork to a banana isn't either. creating things that mean something to you is more than enough, and that does not require some kind of gatekeeping requirement level
to be clear, I'm not talking about finding external success or anything, simply gaininig a high enough level of conventional fundamentals to realistically (and I don't necessarily mean photo realism) represent any object of interest in an art form. similarly to how I did with one or more anons earlier, if you don't like the phrase "making it" we can throw it out the window. the idea I'm talking about is just as I've described it. I don't say this as a ngmi doomer, but staistically speaking I do not believe everyone who will try to gain said conventional fundamentals to a high degree will do so.
>why care about all kinds of other irrelevant abstract nonsense
I mentioned "making it," laid out as I just did, to add a rightful amount of nuance to the discussion. ngmi doomers are right in saying that not everyone will reach their goals, and so I was anticipating that. also, if hypothetically they are right in certain instances in that some people need to have a certain talent in order to reach a certain goal that they have, but they do not have that talent, it would be useful to know. depending on your goal and interests you can find some meaning in working your way to a goal, but if you cannot reach your ultimate goal, you might prefer to simply focus your time somewhere else.

bump

I like drawing bodybuilders.

>>7177052
>>7177072
>>7177203

Why even post here, are you that insecure? This is like a normal person pretending to be retarded so they can win the special Olympics. Or maybe more like a rich educated person taking a vacation to hang around underemployed 90 IQ losers. Just comes off as pathetic.

>>7180041
lol retard

>>7180041
Why do begs freak out when they step outside of their containment general and realize artists post here? It's so weird. This is an art board, people post their art here and always have.

>>7176704
procreate is the standard for apple as you can import brushes

you can also get clip studio for apple if you pay monthly, but its not too much

ibis paint is a free option that you can import brushes from but you have to watch an ad to unlock the brush for that day

dunno if they have it on apple, but autodesk sketchbook is free and has good brushes

No

Better

>>7176701
pyw

I did better portraits in my second semester of painting class.

>>7176613
Maybe

>>7176497
why do you give a shit

>>7176497
Insecure incel ngmi crab faggot diss literal kid's drawing to feel better. You know the chance of those kids still drawing in highschool and sharing their work like that has more than a thousand time of making it than you, right?
Overall just kys

>>7176696
My phone's camera is just shite sorry, and I'm not taking another photo of it because let's just say, I ripped that shit up and throw it in the bin

>>7176708

Because well, if this really what they're doing with there free time when jesus Christ what other stuff are they going to do when they get older, get into gender politics, become a discord or Reddit mod, or even worse just a general nonce looking to get into Japan as soon as possible

>>7176794

Finally the school I work for and where the photo was taken is a high school, like I would actually be somewhat impressed maybe if it was a primary school, but as it is indeed a high school I'm just more concerned than anything

>>7176799
Pyw you waste of skin

>>7176815