/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7144898
You consult it to help decipher wtf is going on when drawing long poses or as a supplement for references to clear up your understanding of muscles and major forms.
Anatomy books like that are made for consulting as you draw, they're probably the kind that's most useful as an actual physical book since they're easier to flip through in that form.

>>7144846
Yes, let's all just reinvent the wheel, 7 billion times over.

>>7144905
Oh, that makes sense. As far as I've seen, the book has a lot of photos and little text, kinda straightforward. I'm a dirty beg anyways, still don't know shit about anatomy but I'll give that book a shot in the future. OP book seems worth trying too

>>7144812
>Yeah. Totally! But do all the exercises twice to maximize the result, even if it’s going to take you years to finish it it’s totally worth it!

>>7144967
I'm not sure what you mean. my point is unavoidable: you cannot have knowledge of the efficacy of instructional content without *properly* going through it yourself. with everything you find talked about on here, there are people who say positive things about it and those who say negative things; those who say positive things but say something(s) else are better. you can even have people who've gone through some book or course and are quite good but don't understand how much their success is due to said book or course: in no case is hearsay an actual way to understand a resource's quality.

blow your brains out nigger faggot

>>7144771
add boobs. will improve your character design

also consider picking up a pencil

>>7144771
improve shape language

>>7144771
Add more descriptors to your prompt.

Is it possible to become the kind of person who draws for 8 hours every day or am I stuck like this forever?

>>7145562
If you are an absolut beg, you start small first, maybe half hour a day, or a full hour. And eventually with time you will reach the 8 hours a day.

I don’t know if it’s possible, the amount I could do comfortably and consistently was 2-3 hours a day and just keep that up indefinitely, I feel like 8 is usually an arbitrary number

Sometimes i can't tell the time.

>>7144749
I draw 20 minutes a day because I force myself to.
still not good

>>7144700
https://twitter.com/mgspf3844/status/1772563748114596105

>>7146377
zoophilia is ilegal on twitter, mass report furries

>>7146172
Busy tomorrow, let's try to finish the lines during the weekend.

>>7145455
i have no idea how Mastodon work. I have baarag account though

>>7146600
we love you second second goat

>>7145334
the rabbithole goes probably deeper. I warn you to report if you see something weird, then stop staring.

The only people that play this Gacha whatever game(?) are children and people who want to groom those children.
>>7145354
>they are also all trannies
That fits then.

There’s a playlist made by them too: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ2wKmanIyz4ODtQrYD-jm63kxILeR5Eq&si=wtiTMFj3U-lQe08U

>>7145912
>>7144668 also bump cuz it’s weird as fuck

>>7145912
THE PLAYLIST IS JUST PEOPLES HAIR GETTING BLOWN IN THE WIND

IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE FUCKING WIND

I don't want to be friends with any of you.

>>7145197
>I don't need friends they dissapoint me

>>7145102
All three of these were made by a underage groomer

someone post good servers that dont have elitist walls

>>7145102
All three were made by an underage groomer

>>7145227
Both have tight deadlines and work a shitton overtime, but for different reasons. Capeshitters do it because otherwise they get fired by big corpo, mangakas do it because, while it is fine to take breaks and skip publications (not being on jump or w/e for a few weeks is allowed, or even months like HxH), the problem is that, if your manga isn't in this week's issue, they will grab some rando's series to take its place, and if it does well in popularity polls it'll get a permanent slot (the way they work essentially is ~80% of slots are reserved for the popular mainstays, while the other 20% is cycling aspiring artists and one shots). So mangakas slave themselves willingly so their popularity doesn't tank and they get dropped from a magazine.

>>7145234
>ever seen a serious artist who’s fat?
Yeah actually I've had several co-workers who were fat.

>serious question
stopped there sage and hide bait threads

You can
>compare japanese video games with western video games
>compare japanese cinema with western cinema
>compare japanese literature with western literature
>compare japanese vehicles with western vehicles
but as soon as you do anime or manga with their western equivalents, people try to change the discussion to literature and cinema mostly because western comics and cartoons(outside of possibly french ones) are light years behind anime. Anime from the 70s have no cartoons equivalents since they were doing HB crap in the 70s. Same with capeshit making for more than 80% of all american comics while battle shonen is 20% if not even less of all manga.

>>7144481
Start producing weekly works, stop colouring it and, most importantly, start taking more risks on IP.
The constant weekly stream of manga keeps you invested because their work never really leaves your mind. If I picked up an issue of superman, read it and enjoyed it I'll more then likely not pick up the next issue, not because I didn't like it but simply because the mild enjoyment I got wasn't enough to tide me over for a whole month. If it was weekly it would be a lot more foreword in my mind. Rare cases like Berserk or HxH can afford to take month long hiatuses because they are just that popular. Colouring work is a waste of time. It may look nicer (that's not even a given thing though) but the time wasted colouring is time the comic isn't in my hands and time it isn't in my hands is time I spend losing interest. Mangaka's are slowly killing themselves to pump out chapter every 1 or 2 weeks. Why? because they want to and pressure from their editors. There are obviously those who do it as a job but even then you have to have a level of interest in making manga to even consider the insane deadlines of the industry. I would have to be paid an insane amount of money for me to consider pumping out Capeshit reset #514673518164578 once a month because it's not something that interests me but if I would gladly take an offer to be payed a pittance, with the theoretical 20~ pages a week deadline so that I could have my idea put into some kind of publication and get a shot at making it big.

>>7145458
What I meant was a version of him for the kind of art this board makes for example, not landscape oil paintings.

>>7145475
>Ehh, the whole point of his style was that it could be easy for anyone to do
I'm genuinely curious to see people who have never painted before (for real, not fake videos) trying. Most beginners landscapes look shitty because there's no depth because they don't get their values right for example

>>7145503
> kind of art this board makes
Man, you're better off with simple landscape than most of what is produced in here.

>>7144473
does the common man really need to paint, even in roosevelt-land?

>>7144473
The Bob Ross fad died down real good, huh? I remember the Twitch streams reaching 30k - 50k views daily.

>>7145536
They still do reruns on YouTube to like, 500 viewers on weekends. Chat is mostly dead beyond a few regulars and one mexican who always monologues about their autism and how much their life sucks.

>>7144608
>you are wrong because my schizophrenia says you are
>no one gave a shit about women artists works because they just didn't ok?
>hehe ur redarted n stoopid
i google female artists of old and get 20 billion results


>no one gave a shit about their art
>BECAUSE THEY WERE LE WOMEH
All your art knowledge is what normies regurgitate so it doesn't surprise me you reason like an effeminate seeking validation in the victimhood of a whole gender to feel better about yourself. That's your whole argument.
No one was ever stopping women from pursuing anything and being in an """atelier""" didn't make the master.

You might as well simply projecting your own failure as an artificial cunt on the memed history of women in the arts.
>b-b--bbut if no one care about their work they can't be considered a master
Money is and was always the game, faggot.
Is the mona lisa a masterpiece? It's a fucking doodle but it's memed as one because it attracts and generates money.
Da Vinci was considered a fucking faggot and a beg his whole life. Van Gogh was considered a schizo retard his whole life.
Artists were always considered """"MASTERS"""" after their deaths because it would sell shit.

Post your work and shill your blog already, faggot.

>>7144808
me too

>>7144461
damn op
you’re spot on, for me.

>>7144508
didn't even look at what you said chart was too hawt

>>7144526
>Berserk
>shonen

Really? I thought it was the opposite. When you take a look at the beginner level, there many more women than men.

>>7145388
does this storyboarding class's prof have a name starting with s?

>>7145853

yeahhh. I heard she’s kind of a huge hardass but that she’s actually really helpful and redlines student work. do you have experience with her? I’ve gotten such mixed reviews so I’m nervous lol

>>7146001
no experience because im taking her class next semester too ...
Actually crazy, idk if you wanna tell me this either but what day are you taking the class...?

>mfw ive failed the same art history class twice and have to take it a third time

>>7146220
dude you're kidding hahaha. I'm taking it monday/wednesday evenings. technically still waitlisted for it but I'll most likely be in the class bc I'm 2nd and she told me to just show up

From my experience sculpting is the easiest, then painting is the next at medium-easy which is more difficult than sculpting but not by that much, and then drawing is quite much more difficult than painting like twice or three times as difficult than painting.

I’m thinking about switching to 3D animation even though my true love is 2D animation.

>>7144400
>Is sculpture just objectively the easier artform to master, while painting has a harder learning curve?
Haven't thought of it. I think that it's probably not a fully binary thing, but indeed, I would theoretically be inclined to think that sculpting is overall easier.

The reasoning would be that a painter must do at least everything a sculptor should do (how to pose someone, anatomy, facial expressions and so forth) and more (general composition, color, mood, lighting, perspective).

Another argument, to complement what you said regarding the Greeks and al, would be that advanced painting techniques only happened in the West, after a while. All other civilizations had good sculptures, including Africa, China, India, probably even South Americans, but none of them developed painting as far as the West: we could argue that if it was this easy, it would have been developed easily elsewhere.

Then, things like sculpting in precious, semi-precious stones or gigantic marble blocks, or sensitive stones will require solid technical skills, even more so as the forms grows in delicacy and intricacy (remember that marble net), and will for sure be more difficult than a Bob Ross painting.

But there may be approaches to sculpting thatI'm not aware off that might throw this out of balance.

>>7144623
how is painting easier than drawing? Painting IS drawing, but with light and color added.

Sculpture, on the other hand, is a lesser form of drawing, because all you need to know are forms + proportions, without thinking about how to express those forms on a 2d surface

>>7146053
Not him but when people make the distinction between drawing and painting, they generally imply that drawing is not approached in a loose and broad manner, as is typical with painting.

This looser approach is very efficient, but this efficiency often cost in precision. If you're well trained, that cost is practically not so important. And getting those bits of extra precision is costly (80/20 rule).

Also, the drawing material is less malleable than (oil) paint. For example, if you want a large smooth covering with graphite, it's painful. Charcoal makes it easier in some ways, but painful in others.

>>7146053
>how is painting easier than drawing? Painting IS drawing, but with light and color added.

nta, but that's true in some sense. However there's generally been a divide between painting and drawing in practice, and that's because there's a 'type' of painter/student that is purely imitative and lacks fundamental knowledge.

They can look at a landscape and wrangle together the effect of depth and detail without understanding how things are put together, and so have these huge gaps in their skill set. Bob Ross was once such painter. If given a pencil and told to rotate an environment in perspective, or consistently redraw a person or animal from different angles, he couldn't do it, because he lacked the knowledge of drawing fundamentals. He didn't have the understanding / internalization of 3D space to grasp geometric form beyond a rudimentary surface level. This is why he stuck almost exclusively to organic environments, avoided animals, people, and produced awkward looking houses and cottages that lacked a sense of genuine dimensionality.

It's easier to create simulacra of the fundamentals in painting than it is in drawing. Drawing requires far more exacting and complex modes of thought, measurement and calculation. The drawer needs to internalize a mathematical logic that compares vanishing points and creates a genuine simulation of 3D space on the page that they can then enter and manipulate. Almost anyone can easily learn to paint a natural landscape from a photo or reference, only a trained drawer can construct complex buildings, machines, animals, etc and develop a deep understanding of how things actually function.

At a certain point it is ultimately semantics. You can absolutely draw and paint at the same time, and at that point there really is no distinction. It's just that the tendency for painters to not learn the fundamentals has led to the divide.

You'll have to explain more. The two window thing? That I'm not sure about. Never tried it.

I tried this a while ago and couldn't get it to work. You can get the black and white mode by using a color profile, but I could not get two windows with two different color profiles.

Its been a while since I tried it so there may be a solution now.

>>7144395
You can duplicate the canvas and have one be big if you want window>canvas>new window. There is however no way to make one greyscale and the other not if that's what you are after

>>7144395
https://ko-fi.com/post/ValueGreyscale-Check-in-ClipStudioPaint-like-in-U7U452ANR

>>7144420
Thanks!! I was already looking for another alternative cause i was reading on csp forum that there wasn't an option yet .
Thanks everyone

>>7146135
I'm asking for shit that's not KtD, but apparently that's too much for you dumbasses

make a new damn thread already pawell

>haven't tried to do anything artistic in 10 years
>get gifted a tablet
>try doing some fanart for a vtuber i like
>worthlesly spent the last 6 hours on this, when i have work and finals to study for
There it is, that feeling of worthlessness that caused me to stop. I get its been a decade with no practice, and its digital which i've done tried all of 5 times so I shouldn't be upset, but man its like every feeling just rushed back and its somehow fucking worse
>have no confidence in my lines so i chicken scratch everything
>even with reference next to the image, still cant get the proportions right
>I do not understand digital media so the attempts at coloring are even more pathetic
at least mischief is cool, I always hated zooming in and being met with pixels.

>>7146553
You're just expecting way too much of yourself up front. You need to strike a balance and have fun with drawing, be more loose, let yourself fail more. I can tell that you hone in extremely hard and obsess with perfection in mind. I recommend aiming for more sketches rather than focusing on one for hour, you won't get as much mileage tweaking pixel even though it can be addicting. Of course you'll get frustrated if your expectations exceed your skill. Even minor practice benefits you immensely and you already know what work needs to be done just take it one at a time. boob too high but that can be fixed in 2 seconds flat with digital, I like it.

Forget about colors and focus on values - almost all of the problems you'll encounter with colors are actually abut values

>>7144537
While values are critical, once you have them set up, colors then play a consequent role to communicate different emotions and moods

>>7144544
Yes but it's not as important. Your art can look tasteless or convey the wrong emotions if you put the wrong colors. This is easy to change. However if your values are wrong, your art will just look bad. With or without colors.

>>7144384
Learning about your warms and cools is a good place to start.
Using only burnt sienna and ultramarine blue (and mixes of the two) is a great way to better understand color, if you get those and the values correct then you'll have a better chance at succeeding when you start to branch off into a wider palette. A common mistake many beginners will make is trying to use way too many colors at once. Also you need to be unafraid of pushing your values more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=0efhbRGgubs&ab_channel=EverettsWatercolors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgAvJ0X2nT8&ab_channel=JamesGurney

>>7144384
>Learning color from zero
I've been dedicating 2024 to answering that exact question, email me if you wanna discuss in more detail but what has helped me the most was realzing what the difference was between my perception of the 'correct' color in hindsight (after putting it down) and my inability to perceive the 'correct' color in foresight (before applying a single color).

Trick seems to be related to food, and maybe pussies,idk.

>>7145438

>>7145439
exp sheet

not sure who the original artist was

Disney Renaissance concept art... they eventually jettisoned the pumpkin hat

unironically, try testing out a screenless tablet + laptop setup. Sit at a desk, with a nice chair, and you're good. You can keep your arm on the table, and your eyes looking forwards, at the screen.

>>7144342
I'm not sure about light weight setups but try to focus on stretching and posture for your neck.

Maybe try one of these stands? "Tabletop Easel"

>>7144231
Learn from pilotredsun and acbu. You gotta have a good creative mind and a vision though. Learn how to make your shitty drawings genuinely appealing without really improving that much. Its possible

>>7144231
You need to have an obscure and schizoid fetish first

>>7144231
Then you've got to learn from the best.

>>7145357
Damn, forgot image.

>>7144304
Jim Lee studied Bridgman sensei a lot, as stated in several interviews

>>7144057
What happened to this guy? I heard he was cool in the 90's. He created Jar Jar Binks and Darth Maul.

>>7145087
He also created General Grevious, the coolest star wars character

He created none of that, he did this.

>>7145104

>>7144024
Bet you coom to futas and have a crusty ass

>>7144024
read a book next time, kid.

You sound like squidward in that episode of spongebob where he goes to art school

>>7143991
I have the answer but for most of the plebeians it sounds like "gibberish" and "schizoposting."
It's not they're just too blind by "what they already know" to see all the things that I know
they don't know.

Help me anon: how do show someone that all art has ever amounted to so far really is "show and don't tell." People can't seem to tell
what there is
NOT to tell.
That's why they learn to draw realism and love AI. "They like it." We live in the haunting age where people need to show "EVERYTHING" just to feel the quiet whisper of a "yay me likely"

but idk. thats just my take. what do you think?

>>7146133
Particularly, I'm going through a lot of change in life and won't be able to dedicate much time to the pursuit of art for the next few months, but your goal and mentality are similar to mine. I've been doing digital since forever and it's just not cutting anymore, it always feels like I'm fighting against the machine to get things, so some months ago I took charcoal and am planning on going for gouache and later oils to transition to traditional.

One thing in which we differ, however, is that I'm religious. And not only am I religious, I'm of the mentality that AI will never compare to humans since we share a root in creation with God, and even if only He can create we can rearrange creation and harness its power, as we do with science, engineering, bending nature and at times even reality to our will, which AI can't do. AI is an statistical analysis based on human reorganization of God's creation, it carries no human intent, and unlike we it shares no part with divinity, it's a mathematician's toy.

As for your perception on paganism and some other nuances: touch grass, the internet is not indicative of reality. I stumbled upon this thread looking for resources on gouache, it's been forever that I haven't been to this site, and to agree with >>7146235 I will add if you want to achieve anything of significance in life you'll have to go counter-"culture", and there's nothing more contrarian than the internet. No matter trying to justify this as a tool, go out and teach the youth, your ideas and efforts will outlive your existence whereas here you're just another datapoint in the statistical pool of insignificance. And in disagreeing with the anon also: is realism purely what meets the eye? What are symbols? What is metaphysics? Does it not require physical displays to be related to the immaterial? What is Logos? Isn't beauty godly? Food for thought

>>7146347
While we're discussing religion, I have to bring up the subject of death, as it's necessary to explain why I'm sympathetic to religious belief while not being religious myself:
In the Netherlands, the doctors are giving poison pills to physically healthy patients with depression. There was a news article about an unfortunate woman, only in her 20s, who struggled with bad mental health, and she went to the doctors saying she wanted to destroy herself- so her physicians very happily and very legally killed her.

They could have helped her get better, they could have led her to recovery and wellness, they could have shown her she had other options, because her physical health was good she was young, and the mental health could have improved - but no. They fucking killed her! And don't tell me "but she consented! She chose that fate" she consented to being murdered?! What?! Do you think people can consent to being murdered, what about that German cannibal who ate a consenting victim? Is that fine as well. Are we that divorced from respecting human life? Human dignity? The idea that that woman's life was worthy of saving?

So because my stance on that and other social and cultural issues is so strong, I stand with the Christians, the Buddhists, the Jews, the Hindus and every other variety of faith that respects humanity enough that we can all agree "murder is very fucking wrong"

I sincerely hope things turn around. For society and for art.

>>7146408
I agree that almost every life is worth saving. But we have to ask ourselves, where is the line between respecting the sovereign will of others and forcing them to do what is best for themselves?

>>7146414
If she wants to die, she can do it herself, the problem is when the state gets unlimited powers to give the death penalty to the mentally ill instead of giving them proper care to feel better. Basically, physicians must respect the Do No Harm idea.

Did you know the Nazis' first batch of victims were consenting volunteers? https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Nazi-Genocide-Euthanasia-Solution/dp/0807846759