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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=IhX0fOUYd8Q [Open]

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Minimum 30-60fps gaming. The stronger 3400G sells for $150. (R3K APUs OCs better than R2K)
>R5 2600 - 60fps+ gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU
>R7 1700X - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM
>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in P/N) recommended
>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
>B-die is EOL, stock is limited

GPUs based on current pricing
1080p
>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
>(GTX 1660TI @ ~$230/Vega56 @ ~$270) - higher fps / more demanding games
>RX 5700 - higher FPS
1440p
>RX 5700 - standard, 75-100FPS+
>RX 5700XT - higher fps
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing scales better into 4K than Navi does. OR upscale from lower resolution with RIS
>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 non-XT blower is alright, due to low power.

General
>Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important for gaming
>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
>Don't use Speccy
>Don't trust sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores (eg userbenchmark, passmark, cpuboss)
>AM4 VRMs + Monitors + SSD Guide under "more"

more: https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
>>72149034 #

>> No.72162482

Asking again.
Either my Mobo or CPU (4690k) died. I also have a MSI 970.
I don't play video games right now, mainly use the computer for web development, music and movies.
I thought about upgrading instead of buying an used mobo/cpu.
What could I get that's future proof? I'll eventually get into back end and use multiple VM as well.

>> No.72162492

How did I do?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Rsn3b
Hdd,sad and gpu are irreplaceable

>> No.72162503

>>72162482
Get a new one, it will 100% last longer

>> No.72162527

>>72162482
r5 1600 will last better than your 4690k did.
but if you really want "future proof" it's the 3700x or 3900x.

>>72162492
Why the fuck would you spend $101 on a 1TB HDD when you can get a good 1TB SSD for $80-$105?
Also get rid of the shitty A400
>$150 PSU
I assumed $680 was including GPU but his is actually really bad.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFRFFt
subtract GPU from this, add case, and it's the same price for much better.

>> No.72162537

>>72162527
The GPU,SSD,PSU and HDD are already in my possession, just wondering if the Mobo and CPU choice is good for those parts or not

>> No.72162752

>>72162527
Well, 4690k is not confirmed dead yet and it was pretty good.
I was thinking about the 2600-2600x.

>> No.72162786
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72162786

Will a normal b450 tomahawk handle a 3600 and 5700xt just fine, or should I wait for max boards to come out? I dont have any other cpus to flash the bios with, hell i dont even what it means to do that since it's my first build, and sadly all my freinds are running Intel so I cant ask them for assistance.

>> No.72162806

I bought used HP 8300 with i5 3470 thinking I can just replace psu to put in a gpu. Turns out the motherboard uses proprietary connections. Is there any way to save this worth time and money?

>> No.72162814

>>72162419
>have OC cpu and ram
>used it for half a year with no stabilities issues
>got vega
>find what I think are stable settings
>played 6 hours in a row yesterday with no crashes or anything
>turn on pc today
>browsing the web causes crashes
>opening images causes crashes
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?! NOTHING CHANGED, the temps are fine, everything is the same!

>> No.72162829

>game comes out
>nvidia drivers work, AMD drivers don't
tell me, why do people still say AMD is a no-brainer when it comes to buying a card?

>> No.72162841

>>72162752
I mean that 4c/4t is a stuttery unusable mess for a lot of people.
Though others think stuttering is just normal.

>>72162814
It's clearly not 100% stable at those settings.

>>72162829
?

>> No.72162845

>>72162829
What game is amd not working on?

>> No.72162849

>>72162841
Beyond Two Souls

>> No.72162855

>>72162814
Have you undervolted the vega or done anything to it?

>> No.72162864

>>72162841
>It's clearly not 100% stable at those settings.
Man, the RAM and CPU were used with those exact same settings for over 6 months.With a shit ton of stability and error tests.
The vega also was tested for stability for 6 hours straight.
you don't go from "no errors and crashes here"
to fucking browsers and opening an image on desktop to crashing your PC, to the point where the CMOS has to be cleared because it doesn't boot otherwise.

>>72162855
Undervolted vega, yes. But again it ran for many hours under heavy load.
Also I dont understand how a GPU could effect the system so bad that you need to clear CMOS just to boot into bios.

>> No.72162869

>>72162829
You realize this is not a video games board right?

>> No.72162874
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72162874

>vega is a housefire!
Uhhhh guys...

>> No.72162934

Logical Increments is saying an aftermarket cooler should be bought for every cpu better than the 1600. Do you guys agree with that? I don't intend to overclock and I live in a place with strong air conditioning. Would the stock wraith do fine for me?

>> No.72162965

>>72162934
Yes.
In fact, if a CPU got fried using the provided fan I would probably ask for a full refund.

>> No.72163023
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72163023

I made a post a few threads ago about how untrustworthy user reviews and accounts were, for various reasons. especially when it comes to things like motherboards and graphics cards.

people only usually have experience with one or two products at most in the class, people fuck stuff up on their own through gross user error, there are tons of completely uninformed people and also actual children, there are people parroting views or stories that they "reckon" are accurate, then there are shipping errors, merchant errors, people doing ridiculously negligent things like tripling the voltage to try and overclock or using a wood 10+ certified psu they found in the garbage, etc etc etc

anyways, here's all of the negative user reviews for an x570 board

>> No.72163031

>>72162934
Just get a cheap aftermarket air cool. They make a massive difference.

>> No.72163055
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>>72162934
>Logical Increments is saying

>> No.72163058

>>72162874
>70%
lol

>> No.72163073

>>72162869
You do realize that half the people who say they use their PCs for professional tasks are bullshitting because they basically mean they occasionally publish a video on YouTube or something right? 95% of people here use their PC for two purposes: browsing the internet and playing vidya.

>> No.72163080

>>72162934
logical increments is illogical garbage. fucking summerfags.

>>72162864
Chips degrade over time. That's part of why stock settings are so heavily conservative.
You don't notice it on Nvidia GPUs because they take that control away from you. Even if you manually go in and change the dozens of voltage and frequency states on Nvidia, it will flat out ignore your settings at times.
AMD lets you do it, but it might not be stable.

Also a driver update could be your stability problems. You're not using the new "optional" driver, are you?

>>72163023
That last one
>can only run 2 GPUs in x8 (pcie 4.0)
seems like a paid review to trash competitors.
Don't know how someone can be so stupid to think that, out of 40 lanes, 32 would be dedicated to GPUs.

>> No.72163081

>>72163073
incredibly high iq post

>> No.72163093

>>72163058
It seems to have capped itself at 200 fps and won't go higher

>> No.72163095

>>72163073
"I need it for deep learning" = "I run some python code once every 20 days for my classes"

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>>72163058
>vega is a housefir-

>> No.72163163

>>72163080
>logical increments is illogical garbage. fucking summerfags.
I find your hostility amusing considering that their part lists right now seem to be mostly in agreement with the OP. What makes them garbage? Are they paid shills?

>> No.72163166

>>72163141
-e

>> No.72163175

>>72163163
Popular = bad.

>> No.72163226
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72163226

considering 5700xt vs 2070s
radeon offers a far more competitive price but their drivers seems to be dogshit and i really don't want to wait 6 months after my purchase to finally be able to use it
2070s at least doesn't have driver issues and is good to play emulator like cemu, but the price point is unacceptable and i don't want to cash out more $$$ on a gsync monitors
also i don't like their policy of gimping of their drivers

>> No.72163239
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72163239

I am still running a desktop with a i5 3570k and a GTX970. With the release of Ice Lake imminenant is now the time to update?

Should I go for Ice Lake in the new desktop when they are released or are those for laptops only? I don't keep up with pc tech unless I am in the process of building and am just now starting to get back into it.

>> No.72163250

>>72163226
good fucking luck finding a 2070 super

>> No.72163264

>>72163239
ice lake is absolute garbage

>> No.72163271

>>72163250
wut, i see plenty on amazon

>> No.72163281

I can't help but feel that AMD shot themselves in the foot with having Navi AIBs come out so late. A decent 2060s is at least 20% more expensive than ther reference 5700 where I live, but I'm still considering it just because the wait for cards of uncertain price and quality isn't great.

>>72163239
Icelake is probably only for laptops for the foreseeable future

>> No.72163289

>>72163281
navi aib come next week

>> No.72163299

>>72163281
>>72163264

Should I go i7 9700k? I don't do video editing or anything super intensive. Just gaming and streaming.

>> No.72163310

>>72163299
>Just gaming and streaming.
9900k or 8700k at least
or go for 3700x
but don't buy non hyper-threaded cpu

>> No.72163312

>>72163166
>180w on a badly optimized ubisoft game maxed out
>housefire

>> No.72163313

>>72163289
>navi aib come next week
I know, but you always have to wait a bit more to see which ones are worth buying or not. Hopefully reviewers got them in good time, but even then small annoying things like coil whine can get glossed over in the rush to review.

>> No.72163322

>>72163313
>but you always have to wait a bit more to see which ones are worth buying or no
buy sapphire
every single radeon release sapphire has produced quality aib

>> No.72163334

>>72163313
>>72163322
Sapphire has been good with radeon for well over a decade. Can't go wrong.

>> No.72163352

>>72163310
>8700k
Pardon the ignorance but what is your reasoning for perfering the 8700k over the 9700k?

Also, are these CPU's going to be future proof? I have been usin gthis 3570K for 7 years and hope to get similar results out of this CPU unless there is some major breakthrough in tech.

>> No.72163366

What's a good cheap gaymin keyboard? Is mechanical really worth it?

>> No.72163380

>>72163366
get a used keyboard if you want both good and cheap, buypigs love to cycle through keyboards

>> No.72163381
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72163381

So should I just wait for b550 for a reasonably priced 3000 mobo? b450 seems to have all kinds of issues according to people. I don't wanna pay $200+ for x570.

>> No.72163389

>>72163281
>Navi AIBs come out so late
Right in time for Christmas shopping given the roll out of drivers

>> No.72163402

>>72163163
>logicalincrements copied nuch of our OP so that makes them good
It's the specific brands they shill because they are PAID TO, don't account for sales, and generally have some stupid choices that don't account for use cases.

>>72163239
lmfao
get a 1600 dude it's like $200 for cpu+board+RAM.

>>72163299
>I stream
>on a 3570k and 970
what? Like a really fuzzy stream full of artifacts?
Anyway, 3700X is better for streaming than the 9900k. Or 3900X, for that matter, is even better still.

>>72163381
I'd wait for b550 if you don't need the PCIe lanes since it's significantly lower power.

>>72163281
It's a good thing, since drivers should be a lot better by the time custom cards come out.

>> No.72163407

>>72163352
>Pardon the ignorance but what is your reasoning for perfering the 8700k over the 9700k?
8700k is 8core 16 threads
9700k is 8cores 8 threads
>Also, are these CPU's going to be future proof?
yes

>> No.72163415

>>72163380
I don't want to buy a use keyboard, especially a gaymin one, as some faggot has definitely cummed on it

>> No.72163416

>>72163407
>8700k is 8core 16 threads
No it's not
>Also, are these CPU's going to be future proof?
8700k got superceded by a $200 CPU a year and a half later. That's not very futureproof.

>> No.72163420

>>72163352
The 8700k has hyperthreading, the 9700k doesn't. If you're streaming then you probably want more threads, but consider the 3700x if you don't want to compromise on either physical cores or thread counts.

>future proof
Don't count on it, the 2500k and the other earlier intel processors have only lived so long because there was no real competition for a while and intel themselves weren't improving that much each generation. Now that AMD have pulled themselves back up, both intel and AMD will probably be trying harder to outdo the other

>> No.72163425

>>72162934
Stock fans aren't shit, but lower temps increase CPU life, and stock coolers don't necessarily keeps temps low under sustained load.

>> No.72163447

>>72162419
Whats the best alternative to Speccy?

>> No.72163451

>>72163420
haven't you seen the intel leaks, it's not that intel chose not to compete it's that their production has legitimately stalled out and failed due to probably corporate mismanagement, it will be quite some time before they can catch up

>> No.72163452

>>72163416
yeah my bad
6 cores 12 threads vs 8c/8t
>8700k got superceded by a $200 CPU a year and a half later. That's not very futureproof.
define superseded
if you think that any cpu you buy wont be outperformed by the next gen of cpu then no, nothing is future proof
if you think that 8700k isn't a solid cpu for modern and future scenario uses, you're wrong

>> No.72163454

>>72163366
i bought a $40 mechanical keyboard off amazon and while it is definitely lower quality than i had hoped it is also better than the $10 walmart keyboard i was using previously.

but it also made me realize that a lot of people who wax poetic about them are probably blowing smoke out of their ass because they spent a looot of money on something that wasn't what they expected because they got pressured into buying cherry reds by groupthink

>> No.72163457

>>72163447
CPU-Z

>> No.72163465

>>72163420
I am not having any serious issues with the gaming rig which I am currently on. Should I just wait a year or so longer to see what comes out of this new spark in competition?

>> No.72163467

>>72163454
>but it also made me realize that a lot of people who wax poetic about them are probably blowing smoke out of their ass because they spent a looot of money on something that wasn't what they expected because they got pressured into buying
100% of the audiophile community

>> No.72163479

>tfw feel like upgrading to a nicer monitor and gpu but i dont play video games and just browse 4chan, and the off game i do play my 970 can handle it alright

what do

>> No.72163481

How likely am I to find a decent video card (RX 570 equivalent or better) on eBay for less than $75USD?

>> No.72163487
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>>72163452
>define superseded
The two are near enough that it makes no difference, while the 3600 uses almost half the electricity/heat.

>>72163481
Just get a new one for $110 and have warranty and shit. Losing warranty isn't worth $35.

>> No.72163492

>>72163451
I don't think we'll be seeing the 5+ years of longevity with the current round of CPUs like we have seen in the past, I don't think Intel will take that long to fix their problems now that AMD have caught up.

>> No.72163493

>>72163479
Buy the Roth-IRA its been out for a while but its the best bang for your buck.

>> No.72163495

>>72163454
>Buys shit mechanical keys and doesn't understand why they're subpar.

I don't care if you don't like it, but at least try a decent keyboard before you decide that mechanical keyboards are some giant scam. 100 dollars is absolutely nothing for something I use 8 hours a day, I'd pay five times that if there was an appreciable improvement.

>> No.72163509

>>72163454
My cherry red keyboard was like 50 dollars.

>> No.72163510

>>72163425
stock coolers work and can even sustain some overclocks but they aren't very good in comparison to cheap heat pipe coolers and you can get the gammax 400, which was easier to install than the stock cooler, for like $18. i'm talking a 10-15 degree difference in temperatures, and you can even double up or upgrade fans for better cooling on top of that

>> No.72163536

>>72163510
Yeah, it will absolutely keep your CPU cool _enough_, which is what it's designed to do. It won't keep it as cool as you want though, and coolers are so cheap that it's worth having lower sustained temps, especially under load.

>> No.72163556

What exactly is it I'm looking for in an SSD that means it won't slow down after a couple of GB of writes? Older SSDs never used to do that, most of mine hold 500mb/s+ forever whereas my 970 evo does 3.5gb/s for like 2 seconds before writing at ~300mb/s.

>> No.72163574

>>72163495
i didn't even say that i didn't like it or that you couldn't buy a nicer one than the absolute cheapest brown switch keyboard on amazon but that the typing experience isn't magical or life changing and people turn into defensive goblins about their keyboards like audiophiles do in the hopes of getting other people to reaffirm their decisions

>> No.72163625

>>72163574
It makes typing better, I type a lot. If you don't understand, fine, but say that after you've tried a real mechanical keyboard. It's not like it's a 5,000 dollar cable, it's 1-2 hundred at most. You can get a switch test kit online for 20 bucks or something, try that if you're interested. Right now, you don't know anything about mechanical keys.

>I tried Jack Daniels, all whiskey is bad, lmao everyone who buys scotch C O P E

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Are the Nvidia RTX cards worth it or should I just get a 1060 TI?

>> No.72163633

Trying to put together a "budget" gaming build for a friend, what do you guys think? Mobo is a placeholder until Tomahawk Max comes out. He has a 1080p 144hz monitor and he already has the case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sT7CsZ

>> No.72163635

>>72163630
get a gtx
the meme tracing tax isn't worth it

>> No.72163642

>>72163633
>until Tomahawk Max comes out
https://www.amazon.fr/MSI-B450-Tomahawk-Prise-S-ATA/dp/B07VB2BG3X/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
https://www.amazon.de/MSI-B450-Tomahawk-MAX-Sockel/dp/B07VB2BG3X/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

>> No.72163645

>>72163633
The best build for that price range currently. I have the same one.

>> No.72163650

>>72162814
we should really do a collage of all the Vega victims. Return that shit if you still can and get a Navi card or even better a Nvidia Super card.

>> No.72163680

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dCfn3b
R8

looking to see if there's a better itx x570 board

>> No.72163683

>>72162814
>>72162864
>>72163650
Vega cards are awesome.

>> No.72163684
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72163684

I have desktop speakers which I have used for literally 15 years. I want to upgrade to something more 'sleek' with as few cables as possible.

Suggestions for anything decent audio-wise for a desktop?

>> No.72163696

>>72163683
yeah except for the noise (with blowers) thermals and general performance. And for the weekly tech support we need to do because somebody fried his motherboard with a Vega or caused general instability.

>> No.72163698

>>72163556
you want a larger cache which usually comes in larger drives. the initial higher write speed is "fake" and is due to writing to both cache and permanent storage.

>> No.72163715

What would you recommend for a silent, low power consumption ITX build?
I don't play video games, I want a decent CPU for coding and running VM, and a GPU (integrated is fine) capable of running two 1080p monitors at 60Hz.

>> No.72163735

>>72163696
I posted pics here of doom 2016 and assassins creed Odyssey maxed out running on a sapphire vega 56. Quiet as a mouse and cool as the arctic.
>>72162874
>>72163141

>> No.72163740

>>72163698
Aren't there still SSDs that are made up of just fast flash? I don't see why I managed to buy a 850evo that keeps going at 500mb/s whereas the newer 970evo drops below that after only 3 seconds or so.

>> No.72163780

>>72163625
stop projecting

>> No.72163798
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>>72163630
Get a 5700. 1660ti if you can find it for around $230.

>>72163715
3600 and RX 5700 undervolted. You can run that at like <150W total.
But if you dont mind turning down settings, 3400G/2400G.

>>72163740
970 evo was created to secretly compile a list of what sub-80 IQ people are going to be sterilized.

>>72163680
>gigabyte board
>$773 for 8GB of VRAM
really fucking bad. Just OC a 5700 XT for half the cost and 90% the same performance at less power consumption.

>> No.72163805

>>72163642
It doesn't seem to be out in Burgerland, forgot to mention that.

>> No.72163811

>>72162786
If you buy it from a hardware store I think you can ask them to flash it, as opposed to ordering it online.

>> No.72163814

is the Asus PRIME X570-P good for a r5 3600? did a build using a b450 with a friend and i dont want to go through that mess again.

>> No.72163841

>>72162814
Why are you assuming it's a gpu issue?

>> No.72163853

>>72163798
>gigabyte board

Don't be a illiterate fag a a board then literally asked are there any better ITX x570 boards

>$773 for 8GB of VRAM
really fucking bad. Just OC a 5700 XT for half the cost and 90% the same performance at less power consumption.

Would the 5700 XT get me 144HZ at 1440p if so provide source

>> No.72163889

>>72163381
B550 boards won't come this year, according to Buildzoid.

>> No.72163898

>>72163684
>sleek and few cables
>Suggestions for anything decent audio-wise for a desktop?
3400G in an InWin chopin case, with an m.2 SSD.

>>72163814
idk ASUS has really bad UEFI issues at the moment. They'll get sorted but from what I've seen it's bad now.

>>72163853
>Would the 5700 XT get me 144HZ at 1440p
A 2080Ti won't give you 144hz in every game at 360p
> if so provide source
You're retarded and beyond help.

>> No.72163925

Is a prebuild with a 3600, 2070S, 1TB SSD, 16GB DDR4 RAM for 1490$ good value?

>> No.72163950

>>72163684
I find most bluetooth solutions for PC audio really bad. Any chance your pc has an optical out? Because then you could run that to a proper amp and then speakers and at least to your amp it would only be one cable.
Whats wrong with using a good headset like everybody else though?

>> No.72163958

>>72163299
>streaming
>>72163402
>what? Like a really fuzzy stream full of artifacts?
>Anyway, 3700X is better for streaming than the 9900k. Or 3900X, for that matter, is even better still.
is there even a point in using x264 for software encoding in live streaming anymore? isnt nvidia nvenc with a turing card superior and way faster? even if running x264 medium. some sites say so, some others not. conflicting thoughts

>> No.72163981

>>72163798
>2400G

Looks fucking good for the price.
Also
>GPU + CPU
How does that even work?

>> No.72163982

>>72163898
>doesn't a provide an alternative itx board

>>A 2080Ti won't give you 144hz in every game at 360p
>doesn't even read what asked


No one should be taking recommendations form this guy stay away

>> No.72164058

asus vs gigabyte for motherboards? which is better overall for support and in general?

>> No.72164065

>>72163950

I do use headphones the majority of the time but if I am just watching youtube and browsing around id rather it just play through the speakers.

>> No.72164071

>>72163982
anybody who massreplies can be disregarded, this is true in all cases

>> No.72164113

>>72164065
Then just get a 2.1 Setup that's in your budget. Haman Kardon and Edifier come to mind. Or do you want studio monitor speakers?

>> No.72164133

Anything I can change, like CPU, RAM or MOBO?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDpzbX
The GPU, SSD, HDD and PSU I already have so ignore those

>> No.72164190

>>72164133
3700x is the best

>> No.72164193

>>72163925
no

>> No.72164219

>>72163925
>asking about prebuild
>on /pcbg/

>> No.72164223

>>72164113
I have 2.1 right now but they have a fuckload of wires. That could be because they are older however.

>> No.72164253

What are some good cheap headphones?

>> No.72164261

>>72164223
Ok, then get something like a Denon reciever and connect it whichever way yo want to your pc and then from there on (you don't need to have it on on near your desk) power somwhere between 2 and 6 speakers of your choice with it.

>> No.72164275

>>72164253
50 cents earplug from ali express

>> No.72164310

>>72162419
Fresh system here, ryzen 37000x.
Anyone have any links to drivers I need or bios info please. I installed ryzen master and HWiNFO,. Do I need to install extra stuff?
WIn 10 enterprise 1903, no ryzen balance option in my power options.

>> No.72164312

>>72163925
Absolutely not.
Overcharged by 300 dollars.

>> No.72164321

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfM4RJ

what does /g/ think?

I probably wont be overclocking for a ling time with this. I have had my current computer for about 8 years now so I kind of went pricey knowing I probably wont upgrade this new build for 3-5 years.

If I was to get a good speaker system what would I get?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y2vRsY/klipsch-speakers-promedia21
Above is what I currently own, I can rattle the windows on the other side of the house if I want, is there a good way to add onto these easily?

>> No.72164330

>>72164275
I mean proper headphones, not plugs.

>> No.72164358

>>72164321
>intel
just lol

>> No.72164374

>>72163981
>How does that even work?
It has the GPU on the same chip as the CPU. It's a little worse than a 750Ti or r7 265 in games, but more power efficient and has modern features like being able to output to 4x [email protected] screens if board has the outputs for it.

>>72163925
lol no

>>72163925
>Is a prebuild with a 3600, 2070S, 1TB SSD, 16GB DDR4 RAM for 1490$ good value?
Not even close. With a 2TB SSD is cheaper. >https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tt6NXP

>>72164321
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfM4RJ
>$2500 for a build that's at best 10% better than a $1100 build

incredibly bad

>> No.72164380

>>72164321
Looks good but do you really need a case this big?

>> No.72164390

>>72164321
>>72164374
I didn't notice the monitor, but that's not a great monitor chocies. Better ones coming out for $430-$500.
So more like $1700 for equivalent build with monitor and case

>> No.72164400

>>72164358
wait...

People buy AMD?

>> No.72164411

>>72164400
lol

>> No.72164442

>>72164400
have you been asleep or did you miss how much amd is crushing intel this release, a single amd processor model outsold intel's entire lineup

or are you baiting because if so why even bother baiting a general like pcb

>> No.72164494

>>72164374
>It's a little worse than a 750Ti or r7 265 in games, but more power efficient and has modern features like being able to output to 4x [email protected] screens if board has the outputs for it.

More than enough for me.
I was doing fine with a 560Ti not so long ago.

Thanks.

>> No.72164497

>>72164390
thing is there is always something better coming out.
I can buy once and cry once, or I can spend a little now for a lesser part and wait for the new hottness to come down in price and buy that, which will work out to about the same cost as if I had just bought the better one now.
so I decided to do the latter.

>>72164380
sure why not, I like having space and its not like I am transporting it anywhere

>>72164358
I honestly just don't like the amd brand, I guess you could say its brand loyalty, but I have owned both in the past and had much better luck with intel.

>> No.72164508

>>72164497
>I honestly just don't like the amd brand, I guess you could say its brand loyalty, but I have owned both in the past and had much better luck with intel.
lol

>> No.72164531

>>72164497
Don't worry, the 9900k is still the #1 gaming CPU on the market. The 2080 is a bit outdated though, get the new 2080 super instead if you can I'd say.

>> No.72164621

My ASRock H61M is starting to fail. My original plan was to buy a better motherboard and later on a new CPU (I currently have an Intel Core i5 2310, Socket 1155 LGA), but I've changed my mind and now want to buy a Intel Core i7, too. The problem is that my power supply is an Unitec U.S.A ATX-750. Is it powerful enough for what i have in mind? Also, I can't buy online so I have to make do with what I can find.

>> No.72164639

>>72164531
that might be one of the things I do upgrade in the future one day, right now this should run anything I throw at it...I'll wait like 3 years then get 2 of something cheaper and sli them, which I realize is hypocritical of what I said earlier.

>> No.72164664
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>>72164639
>SLI
lmao what are you thinking. It's already dead, no way is this even an option in 3 years.

>> No.72164687

>>72164664
good god you are retarded.

>> No.72164708

>>72164687
>thank god for your help, you are totally right
fixed that for you

>> No.72164710

>>72164621
Probably gonna be fine as long as you have all the connections you need.to make the new stuff work. You might want to see how many amps each connection requires and make sure you really are capable of supplying enough power to the board and cpu.

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>>72164400
>this much deflection
>hoping so hard that no one realizes that it's Intel that no one with a brain buys anymore

>>72164497
Or you can use a platform which makes upgrading easy if that bothers you?
>spend a little less
But you're sepnding MORE. You $2500 build is equivalent to a $1700 build. Actually worse, as you only had 1TB of storage when many games are 60-150GB+ now days.
>I've had better luck with Intel heating up my room and getting my data stolen with security vulns in the past so I'm sticking with it
lol

>>72164531
>#1 gaming CPU
yeah with a 2080Ti at 1080p which virtually no one does because that's retarded. Games meant to run at high framerates run at high framerates fine on a much cheaper GPU and CPU. Games that don't still only run at under 100fps with a 2080Ti and 9900k so it's just a waste.

>> No.72164721

>$567 for an open box ausus OC 2080 from microcenter
Good deal or bad?

>> No.72164723

>>72164497
>I guess you could say its brand loyalty,

Oof my dude, blind loyalty is a really bad thing.

>> No.72164737

I've been with a 500GB Sandisk SSD (~3 years old) and a 1TB WD black HDD (~7 years old) for a while and I need to get more storage space
I'm considering adding a 4TB drive, but I can't decide between a WD blue and a Seagate barracuda

>> No.72164739

>>72164721
There has to be something wrong with it

>> No.72164758
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>>72164717
You seriously think that just because it is purchased more in one Europoor country matters?

Leave it to the Rapefugee lovers to buy AMD.

>> No.72164761

>>72164739
I have a 30 day warranty included also it was returned in under 30 days
I can only assume someone couldn't afford it due to this store being in a poor area.

>> No.72164777

>>72164737
Never Seagate
That's like putting your 6 year old daughter in a room with Joe Biden

>> No.72164794

>>72164777
>implying he would remember what to do with her

>> No.72164806

>>72162786
hehe eat cactus

>> No.72164807
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>>72164794
>his face when

>> No.72164834

>>72164687
SLI is shit mate

>> No.72164843

>>72164777
>seagate
that's like putting your hdd in a room with hillary and a hammer

>> No.72164845

>>72164721
You can get the same performance new for $400, so that's bad.
The 2080 is the 960 of this generation.

>>72164758
Purchased the most in the USA, too. Check Amazon top sellers in CPUs.

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>>72162419

>> No.72164890

good 1tb ssd for max 100€?

>> No.72164902

>>72164845
What runs like the 2080 at 400?

>> No.72164913

>>72164664
>>72164834
Why the hate on SLI? Do you guys think single card performance is going to surpass what is viable with dual card? Or is it going to be some infinity fabric style thing?

>> No.72164914

does anyone gave x570 gigabyte aorus xtreme?
how are the chipset temps with passive cooling?
are temps comparable with other boards that have fans?

i havent found much revieews about it

>> No.72164936

>>72164913
>Why the hate on SLI?
because its an ancient meme for people who only have money to burn

>> No.72164944

>>72164914
nobody has both that board and other boards to compare on the same build. there are no good reviews that show comparisons. the best you can get is people speculating based on features and price.

>> No.72164959

Why is the Sapphire Radeon 580 8GB cheaper than the 4GB version?

>> No.72164980

>>72164890
Also, why doesn't samsung make 120gb ssd's?
I just need a comfy but fast ssd for the OS

>> No.72164991

>>72164902
RX5700XT overclocks to the same performance and power consumption. I don't have the graphs handy, but you can look it up.

>>72164913
SLI literally defunct, you retard. It's not even on the 2000 series cards product pages, brainlet.

>>72164959
Because they're clearing inventory for the RX 5600 and RX 5500 series launches. One of the two is launching within a month and a half or so.

>> No.72165004

>>72164991
It does not I reviewed it.
It would destroy my SFF build
A 2070 super is in stock so I'm going to get that instead

>> No.72165013

Are PowerColor Red Devil cards any good?
Im trying to sift through and decide white AIB card im going to buy.

>> No.72165022

>>72164980
intel used to make small optane drives but stopped because gamers kept complaining

>> No.72165028

>>72165013
nope
rec sapphire

>> No.72165039

>>72162482
Either a r5 2600 or a 3600 should be fine for you, they're very good budget CPUs and both have 12 threads so they'll work fine with VMs.

>> No.72165040

>>72165022
fucking gaymers

>> No.72165043

>>72165004
2070Super is slower. You suck at "reviewing" things. https://www.igorslab.media/ungefesselt-radeon-rx-5700-xt-auf-ueber-22-ghz-uebertaktet-break-the-limits-mit-den-neuen-softpowerplaytables-fuer-die-rx-5700-und-rx-5700-xt/3/

>> No.72165079

>>72165040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggIjr5Z0N10

this video enraged me at the time. all I want is a comfy ~100g boot drive that's incredibly fast. gamers were up in arms because "it's too small!"

>> No.72165080

Recommend me a HDD fast enough for torrenting at ~50mb/s because my HDD can barely keep up. Currently using a 7200rpm seagate 1.5tb drive.

>> No.72165096

>>72165043
>run the shit at a hotter and unstable temp
This is not practical for SSF with all the extra shit you need to do. Also if I overclock my 2070 super it'll still do better.
Even the custom cards will have the same issue unless water cooled

>> No.72165097

>>72165080
Just buy a 1tb SSD, they arent even expensive anymore.

>> No.72165109

>>72165079
I need to run programs on the OS drive too, so small but fast & endurable would be perfect.
All the smaller drives are shit and have no cache.
Fuck gaymers and their faggorty.

>> No.72165117

Someone recommend me a fully modular 500W ish PSU

>> No.72165122

>>72165117
Seasonic

>> No.72165161

>>72165117
anything seasonic or super flower

>> No.72165169

>>72165079
>>72165109
>>72165040
>>72165022

Are you people retarded

>> No.72165193

>>72165169
>gaymer mad

>> No.72165238
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330 for powercolor rx5700

or

248 sapphire rx vega 56

or

gigabyte vega 64 for 300
----

which one is the strongest/will last longer for gaymin/streamin

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>>72165096
Wtf are you talking about? Navi is more efficient than the RTX cards even when you OC them.
2070S has further lowered efficiency. It's so bad that Nvidia wouldn't allow reviewers to compare power consumption of the Super cards against the 5700/XT if they were given a review sample so you can only find them compared side by side with small youtubers.
215 watts is the same or less than a 2080 uses. You're beyond help if you can't understand these basic things.

>> No.72165252

Ice Lake

>> No.72165255

>>72165238
Wait for 5700 partner cards

>> No.72165272

>>72165255
so from your reply an rx5700 (partner) will last me the longest?

>> No.72165274

>>72165244
>Heating issues
>less performance needs mods that make it unstable without crazy custom work
>less fps

>> No.72165281

>>72165244
not him but do you know if you get a 2080 and underclock it to a 2070 performance level, would it be more power efficient than a 2070 and run cooler?

>> No.72165291

>>72165097
Is there a 'cheap' one you can recommend or just go with mx500?

>> No.72165294

>>72165281
He's showing you performance that needs a crazy mod job. The 5700xt is loud as fuck and can never match a 2070 in performance.

>> No.72165301

>>72165272
It will have better cooling and maybe better performance too.
VEGA is already obsolete

>> No.72165304

>>72165294
Super of course

>> No.72165310

Should I just instabuy the saphire 5700xt AIB when it comes out?

I don't want it to run out of stock whilst I'm looking at reviews

>> No.72165321

>>72165294
>The 5700xt is loud as fuck and can never match a 2070 in performance
Not him but why are you straight up lying? The 5700XT is faster than the 2070 and only about 2% slower than the 2070Super. ANd noise/temps won't be an issue once the partner cards get released.

>> No.72165346

>>72165291
The MX500 is the one to get.

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>Buy nVidia to hold me over
>Keep if custom is trash
>return if not

>> No.72165354

>>72165294
sorry I guess I'm asking an unrelated question. I'm just interested in if you take a high end card like a 2080 and then run it at a lower performance level, is it more inefficient than the card that runs at full power to get that performance level or is it more efficient?

>> No.72165394

>>72165354
You have to find that out but it is probably going to be more efficient but why would anyone do that?
You usually undervolt+overclock to get to a higher tier from a lower tier, not the opposite.

>> No.72165423

>>72165394
I'm an extreme autist to a maybe unbelievable degree and want to make a silent build that gets good performance

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>>72165238
dont get the gigabyte one.
Sapphire vega 56, a lot of people get coil whine on. Get the Red Dragon if you want less chance of coil whine (will also depend on your PSU).
But really, just get the 5700 unless you're getting Vega 56 REALLY cheap, like <$275. It's a new better architecture and much more efficient.
Really you can get RX 5700 for $250 at microcenter, so even $275 for vega 56 is a hard sell, even if it's not like you have Microcenter in the area.

>>72165272
It's a new architecture, like GCN was. I wouldn't be surprised if the 5700 XT lasts like the 7870 or 7950 did.

>>72165281
Yes? But the person supposedly wanted 2080S performance and thought it would get him [email protected] in every game. The anon has no clue.
>>72165294
Big BIG delusion.

>>72165310
Often can't go wrong with Sapphire... except their Vega cards sometimes had coil whine. I'd go Powercolor if i had to instabuy blind without reviews.

>>72165394
>why would anyone do that
Because you want 1070Ti performance at only 90W for a SFF build? >>72163798

>> No.72165438

How do resolutions and refresh rates work with multi monitor setups?
>currently have 3 identical 1080/60 monitors running HDMI

Will be buying 5700xt and a 1440p144hz monitor.
Can I run the gaming monitor at 1440 or 144 if I have two 1080/60 monitors running at the same time?
What sort of outputs should I be looking for, all DP?

>> No.72165458

>>72165424
>2080
>SFF
what

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>>72163735
>I posted pics here of doom 2016 and assassins creed Odyssey maxed out running on a sapphire vega 56. Quiet as a mouse and cool as the arctic.
why mislead people like that? why don't you mention the gimped performance you impose to achieve that?

>>72163696
pic related, I really hope it didn't fry my motherboard or something.
Maybe it's my PSU going into protection mode because of the massive spikes it thinks there is a short circuit somewhere or something.

>>72163080
I undervolted the day I got it, and it never went over 230W based on hardware info.

>>72163841
Well I didn't say it with certainty, its just I had the system with the ram and cpu and other components work stable for over 6 months, and I get this very unstable behaivor when I got a new GPU wouldn't it be logical to ask what changed and assume that it might be the cause?

>> No.72165487

Fucking NIGGERS still haven't shipped my B450 Tomahawk MAX. Why are MSI sending like 10 of these per store to Germany?

>> No.72165495

so last year i was going to build a system but you guys told me to wait for the new AMD chips, so here we are
I'm replacing a xeon x5470 OC'd system that's on its last legs
I dont need storage, video card or accessories, but I may need a new PSU and cooler

my main needs are longevity (current system has lasted me 10+ years with some upgrades/replacements), plenty of storage options (hence 8 sata ports), and connectivity (usb3 or better preferred). not for gaymen, but mainly for 4k video playback, and lots of open tabs and windows, and compiling on linux

any suggestions or additions? or what would you guys recommend for psu/cooler if anything?
i currently have a 750watt PSU bought last year after my last psu died, i had to run to best buy and get one

i've put together this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mc4Zgw

that case fits my storage/connectivity requirements, but if you can find something comparable i'll consider it

>> No.72165517

>>72165495
forgot, budget is 1000, preferably under 800 USD
already have a monitor too

>> No.72165528

>>72165424
>Really you can get RX 5700 for $250 at microcenter

Where do you live
I went to microcenter yesterday and they are selling them for $350. They give you a discount if you also buy a processor and motherboard combo but it’s still not that cheap

>> No.72165549

>>72165495
>>72165517
same with an asrock x570 phantom gaming mobo instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R7pQ8Y
probably better mobo no?

>> No.72165568

>>72165495
>not for gaymen, but mainly for 4k video playback, and lots of open tabs and windows, and compiling on linux

A 2600 is fine for those needs, but I assume you want to overspend on some overkill setup. In that case you should wait for the new threadrippers to come out

>> No.72165588

>>72165568
not so much overspend, i'm looking more for longevity, so that i dont have to worry about upgrading in the next 5 years
like before, when i got that system, i started out with the q6600 quad core because it was top of the line at the time, and upgraded to the x5470 after it died (7 or 8 years later)

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>>72165484
>check HWInfo64
>my VRM temperature sensors are showing 0 now and not working
AHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK!!?
Is my vega literally dying?!

>> No.72165606

>>72165588
3950x?

>> No.72165607

>>72165495
Do you really need a new tower? You could save that 130$ and go witha 3900X, specially for compiling.
>PSU
Seasonic

>> No.72165615

>>72165354
>take a high end card like a 2080
>>72164531
>The 2080 is a bit outdated though,

ffs /g/ make up your mind

>> No.72165627

>>72165588
Go 3900x or wait another month for the 3950x
They are the real deal and exactly what you are looking for. Itll give you more longevity for, in the long un, not much more money up front than the 3700x

>> No.72165648

>>72165458
idk he's the retardanon who said he wanted a 2080 in SFF. He won't listen to reason when told that Navi is more efficient.

>>72165438
With AMD, yes you can do with. With Nvidia, no check their forums and you'll find there is a driver/architecture issue that Nvidia blames Microsoft for (even though it's not a problem on AMD so obviously not Microsoft's fault).

>>72165528
All Microcenters across the US.
You get $50 off plus another $50 off buying it with a Zen2 CPU. https://www.microcenter.com/product/608896/radeon-rx-5700-single-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card
You can also get another $50 off buying a board, yes.

>>72165602
did you update HWinfo or something? idk. a sensor dying is certainly possible and I'd RMA it.

>>72165615
Anyone recommending a 2080/S and/or 9900k is retarded. Just disregard.

>> No.72165649

>>72165606
>>72165627
>3950x
I'm sure this thing is going to be impossible to buy anywhere given how hard it is to get your hands on a 3900x

>> No.72165650
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72165650

I bought a new RX 580 for my build and I will sometimes see weird graphical artifacts when I'm browsing Firefox. Random letters will turn green and "bleed" outwards a bit but if I refresh the page it goes away. I haven't seen any of these artifacts while gaming though, only in Firefox. Is Firefox to blame or did I get a bad GPU?

>> No.72165659

>>72165607
>Do you really need a new tower?
yes i do, sadly, and i would much prefer it to have more storage than my current
>>72165627
i'm kinda done waiting though, there's always something coming in the next month(s) but i need to stick to a certain budget
3900x is $160 more, what's the 3950x going to be, like $550?

>> No.72165670

>>72165659
>what's the 3950x going to be, like $550?

...750, so its pretty much out of your price range.

>> No.72165675

>>72165670
yeah definitely

>> No.72165742

>>72165495
>>72165588
3700X will last as well as the q660/x5470 did. I'd say you held onto those too long and probably have low needs. Older hardware does run a lot better on Linux, anyway.

But really just for decoding and watching video, and compiling, the 2400G/3400G is roughly 2x the performance of the Q6600. Maybe you should save money going for that, and put more money toward SSD storage? For the cost of a 3900X, you could get a 4TB SSD.
The 3400G is Zen+ and not the "new" CPUs you were told to wait for, but for your needs I don't see why you need Zen2. Granted, Zen2 does shit on compiling.

>>72165484
I heard you, but undervolted chips still degrade.
I had my 7970 running at 970mv at stock clocks, down from 1170mv stock, and it still degraded after 5 years. I had to run it stock since then.
Granted, I did set some top 5 OC records prior to that, but it was still running with the heavy undervolt yet at stock clocks for 5 years and degraded on those clocks and voltage.

>> No.72165743

>>72165495
>I dont need storage
>>72165659
>have more storage than my current
What is it? How many 3.5 drives can you fit it
You may be cheaper by just buying some mounts for ssd/hdd, technically you don't even need to mount ssds

>> No.72165757

>>72165650
If its not happening under load, its not a big deal. Its a driver/firefox issue, not a hardware one.

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>>72165742
>But really just for decoding and watching video, and compiling, the 2400G/3400G is roughly 2x the performance of the Q6600. Maybe you should save money going for that, and put more money toward SSD storage? For the cost of a 3900X, you could get a 4TB SSD.
>not recommending the 3900X for compiling
thats like the best he can buy right now for that specific use case if he doesn't want to go full theradripper

>> No.72165802

>>72165778
Jesus, I didnt realize how close Ryzen 2 is getting to the TR for multi core shit.

>> No.72165812

>>72165742
>I'd say you held onto those too long and probably have low needs.
yeah, i squeeze as much as i can out of a machine before letting it go, that's why i try to find pieces that will last vs flavor of the month
>put more money toward SSD storage?
I have plenty of that, like i said i have tons of storage (get it for free @work)
>>72165743
see above, on my current i have 2x 3.5 and 3x5 slots, the 3x5 being used with 2 ssd's each (along with an add-on card for more sata ports). i've had to use external mounts for all the rest of my drives and i'd rather not do taht anymore

>> No.72165813

>>72165424

>in every game
>>implying implications

All I asked if the 5700 xt can push 1440p at 144hz
And if it could provide source
Y'all out here brining all sorts of faggotry

I'd grab the 5700 xt if it could

>> No.72165824

>>72165802
Its actually beating the lower end TR's.
I want to see what TR3 can do. Ryzen 3 (btw, or "Zen2") is good a tthis workload because of the amount of cache.

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>>72165650
I would get a replacement. That is graphical artifacts whether it's under load or not.
It means it's stable on high low, high voltage, but not stable at near-idle power stats and clocks.

>>72165778
It is, but even a 2400G will do compiling twice as fast as Anon's CPU.
Does anon really need a 7-8x faster CPU? It's probably overkill if anon was able to use a Harpertown CPU for this long.

>>72165813
? you are the one that implied.
The 5700 XT probably does do 144fps in nearly every single game that the 2080S also does 144.
Really I can't think of many games that just barely do [email protected] on either card. It's usually either that they do 300fps, or they do 100. Not even the 2080Ti does 144fps in most games that a 5700XT also doesn't.
You have no clue what you're even asking because you haven't done any research.

>> No.72165902

>>72165850
>Does anon really need a 7-8x faster CPU? It's probably overkill if anon was able to use a Harpertown CPU for this long.
He was specifically asking for longevity, so yes.
>>72165812
Well, then you have too.

>> No.72165934

>>72165902
don't worry this fag doesn't read shit really don't trust anything what this guy says

>> No.72165936

>>72165495
>>72165549
any comments on the motherboards?
asrock x570 phantom gaming
vs
MSI X470 GAMING PRO CARBON

or something else? i'm leaning toward teh asrock since it's (slightly) cheaper and more modern

>> No.72165954

>>72165936
nobody really knows enough about motherboards to compare them, you have to just decide based on features

>> No.72165959
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>this makes the Meshify C shills seethe

>> No.72165961

When does NVMe actually offer an advantage?

>> No.72165982

>>72165961
basically always

>> No.72165988

>>72165648
>did you update HWinfo or something?
no
>a sensor dying is certainly possible and I'd RMA it.
why the fuck, how why is the card shiting itself

>>72165742
>I heard you, but undervolted chips still degrade.
I got it no more than 2 months ago man, how the hell does a undervolted vega degrade so much that everything crashes?

>> No.72165997

>>72165959
h500m dunks on meshify

>> No.72166020

My Z87 board decided to kick the bucket today. Now I found a refurb/return Z97-WS for about 180 bucks, but I'm not sure if it'd be worth pouring that much money into a platform that old anymore (still on a 4690K).

>> No.72166038

>>72165936
Go with MSI or Gigabyte for low end x570 boards.

>> No.72166064

>>72166020
I feel you.
I'm on a 4690k and my mobo died yesterday, not sure if it had to do with my OC, shit has been running like that for over 6 months.
Take a look on eBay, I found used mobos in the 60-100 bucks range depending on your needs.
I pretty much need it to have 4 ram slots and that's it.

>> No.72166084

>>72166020
I only paid like 95$ for my z87 board 5 years ago.

>> No.72166106

>>72165238
>any gpu from niggabyte
don't

>> No.72166123

>>72165802
Yeah, the 12 core 3900X often beating the 16 core 2950X which already demolished Intel's HEDT lineup is really insane.

>>72165959
>SMART CASE
wow even cases are botnets now

>>72166020
Not worth it. You can get an r5 1600+ram+board for $200 new.

>>72165988
I didn't see whether you answered about driver version changing or not.

>> No.72166132

>>72165484
>why mislead people like that? why don't you mention the gimped performance you impose to achieve that?
Anon, I have overclocked the memory and the coreclock. My performance is higher than out of the box settings and the card is cooler and quieter.

>> No.72166139

>>72166084
Paid 113 for mine back in the day. Never really gave me issues either.

>> No.72166142

>>72166064
>>72166020
Funny, I just upgraded from a 4690K to a 3900x.
No failures, just decided it had been long enough to get something new.

Im having trouble deciding if I need to keep the 4690k around, or to sell it for scraps.

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>>72166132
Also uses 40-50w less.

>> No.72166220

>>72166132
>>72166181
>if I overclock,undervolt the performance is higher, so what if the Framerate is capped and the GPU isn't being fully utilized
>it could run at 1 fps for all I care, as long as I overclocked it means I am getting a high performance

Listen here you misleading faggot. Taking a power hungry arch thats mediocre for games, then capping it so hard that it stays at low utilization and then claiming
>wow it's not even using a lot of power, don't know what the house fire guys are all about
is misleading as fuck.

>> No.72166231

>>72164310
Go download and install chipset drivers directly from amd.com

>> No.72166264

>>72166220
The frames are not capped in the images I posted. There's also 99% utilisation in AC:O.

>> No.72166295

>>72166181
>27C
>1200rpm
dude just turn off the fan

>> No.72166301

>>72166295
I don't know man, seems pretty warm to me.

>> No.72166323

>>72166301
what? you can run them at 50C without cooling no problem
also
>26mhz clock
wtf are you doing

>> No.72166327

Fuck pcpartpicker canada, fuck canada prices in general. A 5700xt is a 100 leafbuck step up from the already 450 syrup dollar 5700 normal.

>> No.72166350

Why the FUCK do I need to jump up to 200 bucks to get a motherboard with a fucking POST code readout

>> No.72166430

>>72166327
Wages in canada are double that of USA.

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>> No.72166461

Is anyone going nVidia just to spite AMD for its retarded fucking business practices with its GPUs?

>> No.72166463

>>72160432

asking again, MSI 570 8GB or PowerColor 590 8GB
price difference of $50
is it worth it?

>> No.72166475

>>72166463
yes

>> No.72166476

>>72166463
What's the total price of the 590?

>> No.72166495

>>72166123
>I didn't see whether you answered about driver version changing or not.
Didn't change driver version or anything. Again the system ran perfectly stable before and I had a 6~ hour gaming session yesterday that pushed it hard, no problems.
Today it's fucking crashing when trying to open the radeon settings.
I also confirmed its the GPU, by putting in another GPU and the system was stable.

>> No.72166528

>>72166442
is there a date release for aib release ?

>> No.72166535

What's an acceptable level of RPG lighting?

>> No.72166544
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>>72166535
role playing game lighting

>> No.72166546

>>72166528
Nope
This is a fucking train wreck of a release

>> No.72166556

>>72166528
16th of august for ASUS I think

>> No.72166573

>>72166556
I'll aim for the saphyr since its the one recommended here, guess wlil have to wait

>> No.72166575

>>72166461
No, I'm going Nvidia because it's better in every aspect.

>> No.72166593

>>72166461
Nope, I went full AMD Radeon to spite Intel and Nvidia for their years and YEARS of horse shit that I dont approve of.
Pushing AIB cards out a month to sell reference cards isnt ideal, but its not that big of a deal.

>> No.72166611

Best way to apply thiccc thermal paste

>> No.72166631

>>72166575
How so?

>> No.72166653

From what I seen RDNA is still starved for memory bandwidth so overlocking the memory modules instead of boosting clock could be the way to go.

>> No.72166670

>>72166535
None.

>> No.72166716

>>72166535
>What's an acceptable level of RPG lighting?
>acceptable level of RPG lighting
>RPG lighting
>RPG
leave zoomer

>> No.72166737

>>72166295
I used to have it on automatic, but I did some messing around and found out that keeping the fans on at 30% at all times drastically lower temps and uses less power.
>>72166301
This is not me.
>>72166323
I was browsing the internet, had a torrent client open, and using paint.

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this triggers incel users

>> No.72166800

>>72166535
A mouse, keyboard, and cpu/gpu fan. That's it.

>> No.72166849

>>72166611
Smiley Face

>> No.72166915

>>72166181
How is this running so cool?

>> No.72166931

so whats the best ram for ryzen 3900x ?

>> No.72166941

>>72166743
Does it?

>> No.72166953

>>72166743
nice, only 1 ghz away from my 8700k

>> No.72166968

Thinking of spending up to a £1000 on my first pc soon, will I notice a difference playing games compared to ps4? How much do I need to spend to match ps4 in performance?

>> No.72166970

>>72162419
Going to upgrade from an i5 3550 to a R5 3600. In my situation is there any need to pay a little extra to get the B450 Tomahawk instead of the B450M Mortar? 110,36€ vs 129,00€.

>> No.72166985

thoughts on asrock steel legend x570?

>> No.72166986

>>72166953
>still gets beaten
GHZ are the synthol of PC dick measurements.

>> No.72167002

>>72166968
>will I notice a difference playing games compared to ps4?
You will notice even a major difference if you just spend 400$.
>How much do I need to spend to match ps4 in performance?
Depends on what hardware you already have, not much.

>> No.72167016

>>72166953
>1ghz less
>performs better
Yeah AMD is baste

>> No.72167032

>>72167016
less heat too

>> No.72167052

>>72167016
And the fact that you need to delid that pozzed housefire piece of crap to achieve normal temps @ 5GHz.

>> No.72167066

>>72166953
>>72166986
>>72167016
>>72167032
>>72167052
And it costs 60% of the price and uses less power.

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>>72167066
Intel still leads in vulnerabilities heh

>> No.72167132

r5 4600 when?

>> No.72167138

>>72167002
I have 0 hardware. $400? seriously? that's like £350, just a hundred pound more than the ps4, with way more to offer.

>> No.72167143

>>72167119
Why do you have the need to post Satanichia ?

>> No.72167181

>>72166968
For that much you can build a beast of a pc that would slaughter a ps4.

>> No.72167215

gpu died.

2060s £420
5700xt £320 no aib yet

what do?

prefer super but nvidia gouges far too much

>> No.72167221

>>72167215
Buy Nvidia AMD is AMD

>> No.72167224

>>72167181
is building yourself better/cheaper than buying pre-built?

>> No.72167228

Hey /g/uys, need to build a new workstation and thinking of this configuration
>Mobo: Asus Prime B450M-A
>CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X
>RAM: HyperX DDR4 8GB 2400MHz x 4 (32GB)
>Drive: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB NVMe
>Case: Corsair Carbide 88R
>Power: Corsair VS650
>GPU (last cause i'm not sure): RTX 2070 Super (hoping the price will come down), RTX 2060 Super or used GTX 1080TI

total cost (plus a few things off the list like screen, other drives ecc) around 1500eur

comments? main use will be under Blender, a lot of it (hoping that RTX support will become a thing) and a lot of After Effects too, that's why i want good CPU/GPU/RAM.
Also i'd like it to last for 5 years or so, currently using an FX6350/GTX760/16GB, built it 6 years ago and it still does the job but it's bottlenecking my workflow

>> No.72167231

>>72167215
If you prefer paying £100 more on a weaker card you should kys.

>> No.72167235

>>72167215
How does one kill a gpu? I had an r9 290x for almost 6 years and completely hammered it, but it still works.

>> No.72167243

AHHHHHHHH IM TIRED OF VEGA I JUST WANT TO PLAY VIDYA NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF TROUBLESHOOTING I NEED TO DO TODAY

>> No.72167250

>>72167228
Buy 5700xt, it's the same price as the 2060s and it's a lot better.

>> No.72167251

>>72167224
Yes, significantly cheaper. You'll get a much better pc for 1000 quid building it yourself.

>> No.72167259

>>72167228
Asus > no
Hyperx on ryzen > no
Overpriced samsung meme > no
Corsair PSU > no

>> No.72167271

>>72167251
Cool, guess I'll go down that road.

>> No.72167275

>>72162419
>Don't use Speccy
>wtf why not, it works great for me..
>switch to amd cpu
>shows 130°C while idling

I think I understand now...

>> No.72167284

>>72167259
very useful thank you sir
>>72167250
been there, done that, had an ATI card at first on my current PC and OpenCL kinda works on Blender but it's not that stable and it has a lot of problems if you make a project on another PC using the CPU or CUDA like black shaders in rendering. i'm not that happy with price to performance but i'm stuck with nvidia for safety since Cuda is still the standard for everything

>> No.72167288

>>72167138
>£350, just a hundred pound more than the ps4
What fucking ps4 is 250 pounds? Do you mean some used piece of shit that will break in 1 year?

>> No.72167297

>>72162419
Is it worth buying AMD Zen now?

>> No.72167310

>>72166653
A little bit, yeah.
Makes me wonder what configuration big navi is going to have. Might wind up being 4 stacks of HBM2 to have enough bandwidth. Otherwise it'd need a really wide bus like the 2080Ti. 256 like the 5700 or 2080 won't cut it with 64 CUs. But, hell even 352bit might not be wide enough.

>>72166953
oh no... >>72163487
Do you have buyers remorse, or are you just embarrassing yourself for no reason?

>>72167138
Why do you expect customized hardware to cost less than the same mass produced cheap set-top box?

>>72167215
5700XT and replace/mod the cooler yourself.
Why are you comparing the 2060S and 5700XT anyway? The 5700 is 2060S performance for cheaper. And uses so little power that even the blower keeps it cool and quiet. So if you're too brainlet to mod the 5700XT cooling solution yourself, get the 5700 now.

>>72167235
A lot of companies, like Gigabyte, put shitty coolers on cards which are designed to have components like mosfets overheat and fail at around the 2.5-3.5 year mark.

>>72167228
pretty bad build with so many substandard components
Get 2x16GB of faster RAM.
Get a better board.
Get better storage.
Get a better PSU.
Get a 5700.
How are these shitty components you chose so expensive? This is better for less
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/CGCZgw

>> No.72167311

>>72167297
Depends what you're on right now. Imo you have to be a braindead retard to upgrade your cpu more often than 6-7 years. Let's be real if you bought 2600k at release you're still fine with like 99% of gaming.

>> No.72167326

>>72167228
>>72167310
wrong link. Had too much RAM there.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/H2dGsZ

>> No.72167344

>>72167288
what? they've been under £250 new for ages now.

>> No.72167355

If it comes down to it which is a better panel, VA or TN.

I'll have to save to get my desired specs on an IPS

>> No.72167363

>>72167310
Kek, my 290x is a gigabite windforce OC version.

>> No.72167382

>>72167310
>>72167326
Thanks, could you explain how the mobo/psu are better? also what you'd get from nvidia, as i said i can't really get an ATI, too much hassle from opencl compared to cuda

>> No.72167386

>>72167311
That assumes you didn't buy a threadlet CPU 5 years ago.
People with a 4690k often get awful stutters and have the need to upgrade just after 2 years, let alone 4 years since. Not to mention people with FX CPUs as well.
Meanwhile people who got a 3930k are generally pretty fine after 8 years.
But really, anything less than a 5775C tends to suffer in some newer games.

>>72167344
If you're talking about regular PS4, not the Pro, the 2400G iGPU heavily outperforms it and you can do a ~$250 build with it.

>>72167363
yeah Gigabyte used to be better. They've been dogshit since 2017 models.

>> No.72167390

I have a problem with my GPU (Evga 1660 ti) temperature hitting 80°C while playing Destiny 2 in max 1080p.
Will adding one frontal fan help lower the temperature? I only have one at the back of the case

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>>72167390
>inb4 learn cable management nigger

>> No.72167415

What cpu and gpu would I need for budget cad stuff? 3700x and vega 56 enough?

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>>72167405

>> No.72167427

>>72167344
The cheapest ps4 pro I found is like 330 pounds and they've been going up the price instead of getting cheaper.

>> No.72167434

>>72167390
>>72167405
>>72167420
yes, a fan would definitely help

>> No.72167435

>>72167386
so console gaining is a huge rip-off then?

>> No.72167440

>>72167427
Because of Drumpfs tarrifs.

>> No.72167443

where are the rx5000s huh? it's august come on

>> No.72167458

>>72167390
That's what you get for buying shitty evga.

>> No.72167479

>>72167435
I think so. Especially when you consider the price of games. With pc you can torrent all the singleplayer games instead of shelling out 60 quid on a game you will play once.

>> No.72167481

i want to install an arcitc accellero 4 but it doesnt fit since 1st slot is occupied by the cpu heatsink.
is there a good potent cpu cooler that doesnt overlap with the 1st pcie slot?

i could plug the card in my other slot but then there wont be anymore than 0.5cm to the bottom. Is this an issue or do the fans not care about this?

>> No.72167488

>>72167440
god bless murrica

>> No.72167508

>>72167435
Depends on how you see it. If you're looking at it convenience-only, it's not really a scam at all if it has some standout titles you can't get anywhere else. If you want a console that's a real scam, look at the Xbox One, with no exclusives outside of Rare Replay and no other benefits from using a PC instead outside of costs.

>> No.72167549

>>72167435
It always was. Imagine concept of consoles in any other industry.
>Oh you want to watch this movie but you have a samsung tv tough shit it's sony exclusive now go and pay for another tv.

>> No.72167550

>vega 56 idling at 26 celsius with stock cooler
Absolutely based.

>> No.72167577

>>72167382
Budget corsair PSUs just tend to be shit and you're better off just getting any cheap highly rated model.
The board you picked doesn't even have VRM heatsinks, does it?
Either way, that build is better than what you picked out and comes in under your budget even if you replace the 5700 with a 2060S.
Are you sure OpenCL causes problems? I haven't heard of much issues with it the past 2 years.

>>72167390
Yes, add case fans. Jesus. This is the exact reason AMD does this reference blower shit.
You can get a 6 pack of arctic fans for under $30.

>>72167435
Xbox One X is a pretty good deal. You can't make a custom PC with that performance that cheap.
But the original consoles are actually super overpriced at this point and should be like $150.

>>72167415
Yes but the 5700 might be worth the extra money. Look at benchmarks for your program. Navi is strangely insanely performant in a lot of productivity workloads despite the relatively low TFLOPs. Otherwise, can't beat the raw compute for the money of Vega.

>> No.72167583

>>72167550
Not everyone lives in alaska

>> No.72167614

>>72167435
you cant improve hardware, or use it for anything other than the games,

and each game has $10-20 tax ontop of pc to go to the hardware manufacturers

and hardware has limited input, which restricts which game types you can play (no skill or strategy based games)

>> No.72167629

>>72167577
How much would it cost (around) in theory to match a pc with the xbox one x in performance?

>> No.72167630

>>72167405
wtf is that lol

>> No.72167643

>>72167614
that's what mean, sounds like you get way more for your money with a custom built pc.

>> No.72167661

What is your favorite tool for benchmarking your PC?

>> No.72167680

>>72167661
witcher 3 in 4k with unlocked fps. Never failed me.

>> No.72167689

>>72167661
fornite wins p/h

>> No.72167692

>>72167680
Something with less download size?...

>> No.72167702

>>72167630
The result of buying a case that said that supports micro-atx but barely fits in

>> No.72167750

>>72167702
You mean the results of you not reading about product you buy

>> No.72167772

>>72167405
looks like my old case. Had the same issue in summer and only taking off the side panel helped.

>> No.72167818

>>72167772
I'm at winter right now and I my bedroom doesn't even face the sun, but I might give it a try

>> No.72167834

>>72167243
SOMEBODY HELP!

>> No.72167855

>>72166142
Make it into a keyring, that's what I did with my 2500k instead of selling it for chump change

>> No.72167868

>>72166953
nice, only 13% less IPC than his 3600

>> No.72167902

>>72167583
I live in Bongistan, 23 celsius right now.

>> No.72167909

>>72167138
M8 an apu can beat PS4 these days. Doesn't take much to run games at 1080/30 on medium or even lower like 900p. PS4 is equivalent to an shit fx CPU at 2ghz paired with a 750ti.

>> No.72167910

>>72167834
You expect help, by not even stating your problem? What are you a fuckin idiot?

>> No.72167918

>>72166953
Literal FX9590-tier argument

>> No.72167921

>>72167834
980mv, 1550mhz, 950mhz memory
Here you go.

>> No.72167943

>>72167629
Well you could make a much better one for $500.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QM9kFt
$540 but you have a 500GB SSD and 16GB of RAM.
It would be possible to get it under $500 but it's not worth what you lose. This is very good value.

>>72167661
Superposition is great at showing artifacts early before most else would.
Witcher 3 as the other mentioned is incredibly demanding and prone to crashing at the first sign of instability.

>>72167868
>>72167918
That anon is really getting bullied, but he deserves it.

>> No.72167951

>>72167772
Its looking much better (around 69°C), thanks

>> No.72167988

>>72167921
>950mhz memory
Too high for hynix chips.

>> No.72168013

>>72167988
oh sorry you got cucked, I'm a samsung chad

>> No.72168041

>>72167951
No worries, fans might help but not much. The issue is that case is just too cramped and there's not gonna be any airflow if there's no space for air. Only way to fix is either bigger case or opening the case to artificially increase it's size. Problem is that you're going to accumulate shitton of dust this way.

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>>72162419
>Motherboard VGA light turns on
>try the hdmi solution
>doesnt work
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.72168085

ok honestly what mobo do i pick to pair with a 3600? b450s dont boot and x570 is a waste of money.

>> No.72168086

new thread

>>72168067
>>72168067
>>72168067

>> No.72168175

>>72168057
reinstall bios and chipset
kys
thank me later

>> No.72168188

>>72167661
Crysis.

>> No.72168564

>>72167910
The problem was stated multiple times.
But sure:
>have a vega 56 card, its running real unstable, crashing the entire PC in most cases, like benchmark or gaming, just blackscreen with no recovery, have to restart the PC and clear CMOS.
The rest of the PC ran fine for over 6 months.
The vega itself didn't have these issues for the while I was using it, but now it's literally unusable as the smallest shit causes a complete system crash.
Yes it's the GPU, I tested with an nvidia card and it ran with no issues.
I changed nothing from yesterday to today, no drivers no nothing.
So why the fuck is the GPU behaving lie it's dying tier? and how do I fix it.


>>72167921
I didn't ask for an undervolt guide.

The vega card is completly bonkers today and I have no idea why since it ran completely fine yesterday.

P.S I got samsung.

>> No.72168575
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72168575

Anything wrong with this shit before I buy it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r6k2zY

>> No.72168686

>>72165961
basically never

>> No.72168706

>>72168564
Am I supposed to smell what posts are yours? In case you haven't figured it out yet, everyone posts with Anonymous. If you don't link your initial post, or repost your text, no one knows what the fuck you mean.

You already identified the problem. If you haven't put your clock speeds back to normal, you're going to want to send in your card. Since it's likely a hardware problem.

>> No.72168819

>>72167921
>but it's not worth what you lose
what do you mean by this?

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