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>Create a parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing
>NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"


CPUs based on current prices
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming
>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade
>R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use
>9700k - Wait for new patched benchmarks
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper - HEDT

>BE AWARE that Microsoft, Apple, and others recommend disabling hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with HT.

RAM
>NEVER use only a single stick
>8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly
>16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
1080p
>RX 570/580 - value.
>1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+;
> 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 - higher framerates
1440p (WQHD)
>1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed
>2070 Overclocked or Radeon VII - Worth considering
>2080Ti - higher framerates
2160p (4k)
>Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti
>RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.

Other
>Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
>Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models
>PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamics

https://rentry.co/pcbg-more

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>> No.70988627

Looking for a good 1440p 144hz monitor mostly for gaming on a 450 € budget.
Dont care for gsync/freesync, care more about good colors.
What are some good options /pcbg/ ?
Pairing it with a 2060.

>> No.70988673

>>70988627
Nixeus Edg V2.
Not too sure because EU selection tends to be worse.

>> No.70988730

>>70988673
Not available in Europe unfortunately. I could bump the budget to 500€. If theres something really nice.

>> No.70988834
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70988834

Found a kid online selling a 1700x for $120 and an ASRock B450 pro4 for $60. Both are new in box. If I could talk him down to taking $160 for both should I jump on it? Any recommendations on what GPU to pair with these? Haven't built since 2014 so I'm a little out of the loop.

>> No.70988855

>>70988834
If you're making a gaming build, the 2600 is better than the 1800X. And the 2600 is basically $120 after you sell the games it comes with from some retailers.
Pro4 board new in box for $60 shipped is okay.

>> No.70988914
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>I've got a 1060 3gb

There is this seller selling 12 gpus that are a year old that were apparently used for over a year for mining at 60%(supposedly of course)
Hes selling a 1070ti for only $260

Is it worth it to upgrade? I could probably ell my 1060 3gb for $150 if i think about it.

The ads been up since the 15th of april so i'm sure anyone that wants to bitch would have bitched by now.
The ads on a reputable forum created just for trading pc parts and the guys been a member since 2010
Should i pull the trigger?

>> No.70988939

>>70988914
I bought a used 1070 not long ago for £220 so that sounds like a good price, as long as it's not fucked from mining.

>> No.70988997

Quick question: I currently have 2x4GB of DDR4 in my Ryzen 2600 rig, built around a year ago when RAM prices were through the roof. I intended to purchase another kit later.
Now that I can buy it, a 2x8GB kit is cheaper than a 2x4 kit, so I guess I'll be getting 24GB of RAM.
How should I arrange the sticks ? Should I go 16-16-8-8, or 16-8-16-8 ? Does it makes any differences ?

>> No.70989009

>new meme flaw exists since 2010
>no one has ever been affected by it since then
>suddenly it's a big deal
So this is the power of the amd shill

>> No.70989099

>heard ryzen is shit for emulation
Should I still wait for the 3000 series? Is there any chance of it being better?

>> No.70989101

>>70988914
My Vega 64 was used for mining and it's fine. So long as they took care of the cards and kept them clean there's not a huge issue since most miners run them at maximum efficiency vs. maximum output like you would in gaming or OC applications.

So long as he looks on the up and up I'd be fine with buying.

>> No.70989114

>>70989009
>NSA exclusive backdoors hidden since 2010
>suddenly publicly available to everyone
>absolutely no problem

>> No.70989122
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70989122

What's the verdict on the i9 9900K?
Is it worth the extra money compared to the best i7 (forgot the model)?
The most cpu intensive thing I'm planning in the near future is potentially emulating PS3 and even then getting the best of the best is more about future-proofing™ and "fuck it, it's a new computer, I'll spoil myself a bit"

>> No.70989137

>>70989122
Basically 9900k = 9700k, Intelfags got scammed hard.

>> No.70989161
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70989161

Had to RMA my GPU, how long does newegg usually take once they get it? Its already going to take a week to get there and a week to get back.

>> No.70989222

>>70989122
If you only gaem then 9700k
If you want to gaem and do other multithreaded stuff then 9900k

>> No.70989262

>>70989137
nice meme

>> No.70989278

>>70989262
9900k without HT is a 9700k you dumb nigger

>> No.70989324

>>70988537
is intel 660p a good ssd drive?or should i just go with samsung

>> No.70989332
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>>70989278
>9900k without HT

>> No.70989360

>>70988537

vega 56
290$
gtx 1080 performance

this makes nvtords M A D

>> No.70989449
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70989449

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-ridl-vulnerability-hits-intel-advises-disabling-hyper-threading-below-8th9th-gen-cpus.html

>To be able to exploit the vulnerability, no more is needed than hiding a few lines of malicious code on for example a website. A visitor that opens this site open, it will leak information.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.70989466
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>>70989332
>Didn't enable full MDS mitigation
>Still uses hyperthreading
LMAO

>> No.70989475

>>70989449
Shit. Time to buy some 4chan ads.

>> No.70989501

>>70989449
>literally opening your web browser can compromise you
THAT STATE OF INTEL

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70989820

Look what just arrived, lads.
Rest should be arriving soon.

Ordered everything on Amazon but for some reason it's been split into 4 different deliveries.

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>>70989820
>he fell for the AMD meme
looks like you guys found YET another victim.

>> No.70989857

>>70988914
That image seems hot but professional female cyclist completely destroy their vaginas from being in the saddle too much.
I'm not making this up.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6850943/amp/Team-GB-cyclist-reveals-needed-VULVA-surgery-years-saddle.html

>> No.70989863

>>70989820
>sleve cables
>shitty ram
wow such prorities

>> No.70989864

>>70989840
you mean I didn't fall for the Intel shilling

>> No.70989873

>>70989863
How is that ram shit?

>> No.70989910

>>70988537

So do these OPs just flip flop between AMD shills and Nvidia/intel shills?

I hope nobody honestly gets tricked into buying a radeon VII.

>> No.70989912

>>70989910
radeon VII is better buy than competition in whole Europe

>> No.70989954

>>70989912
false actually

>> No.70989963

>>70989873
It's not, you'd have to try really hard to find "shit ram".

>> No.70989976

>>70989873
>gets a ryzen
>doesn't know enough about RAM to even know what is good or shit RAM for your needs
>buys sleeve cables instead

>> No.70990004

>>70989954
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-amd/all

>> No.70990030

>>70989910
Imagine buying a 2080. Fucking yikes.

>> No.70990061
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>>70983620
>>70983644

>> No.70990073
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>>70989863
That's nothing mate
look what just arrived

>> No.70990095

can anyone link any good pc videos? can be about building, describing how thing work, etc. im too brainlet

>> No.70990101

>>70990095
about what specifically? jut about building computers?

>> No.70990111
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>>70990004
Thank you for that link. As expected, the prices don't look that good for me, especially once I add international shipping but they have a nice GPU buying guide section that helped me with my decision.

>> No.70990121

>>70990101
yeah. anything that explains the details of every component. for example i cant choose a cpu because idk how exactly to compare them

>> No.70990130

>>70990095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRap7uw9iWI&list=PL8_tNcIbugdwubkoq2wuyl9gLBCZtnS8c&index=2&t=0s

>> No.70990142

>>70990111
ok /reddit

>> No.70990148

Kinda newbie pc building question here...Does power consumption and/or TDP matter in kinda mid range(or maybe low) GPU like 1660ti or rx 590?

>> No.70990159
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>>70990073
AAAand it's fucking broken

Did wonder why the delivery guy literally ran away

JUST

>> No.70990163

>>70990148
yes. get a 650W+ gold rated PSU

>> No.70990168

>>70989360
I don't want to shit on the Vega 56 but it is hot and power hungry. Even with the powerlimit removed and on water my 1080 never went over 280 W even at 2126 [email protected] If you like tuning fan curves and powertables and it's cheaper go for it, but out of the box the 1080 will probably be better.

>> No.70990169

>>70990159
Sic semper tempered glassus

>> No.70990174
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>>70990159

>> No.70990190

>>70990159
He did you a favor. Now get a normal case made out of metal like a normal person.

>> No.70990202

>>70989820
>>70989873
Most Vengeance LPX kits are AFR, I think I have that same kit. If it was over $100 USD return it for some B-die, and use the DRAM calculator on techpowerup.

>> No.70990209
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>>70990159
He fell for the TG meme

>> No.70990228

>>70990168
>70c is hot
>200w is power hungry

>> No.70990245

God I can't wait for Navi to fucking flop
Still snagging a Zen 2 CPU though

>> No.70990255

>>70990228
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3382-rtx-2070-versus-power-modded-vega-56

It's comparable to SLI setups in powerdraw after OC.

>> No.70990301
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>>70990255
>242% power mod = OC

>> No.70990311

>>70990301
Look at the performance charts, you wanted parity with the 1080.

>> No.70990341

>>70990311
God Vegadrones truly are pathetic, the lowest of the low

>> No.70990349

>>70990311
FYI overclocking hbm2 to 930+ will give stock vega 64 performance, 64 is basically 1080

>> No.70990395

>>70990349
That might put it on par with a 1080 at stock, but both out of the box and after extensive tuning, the 1080 wins out. As I said before just buy the cheapest of the two cards, and only if you're willing to powermod it.

>> No.70990417

>>70990349
why not overclock the Vega 64?

>> No.70990429

>>70990417
cause it's already close to maxed out and worse value

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70990443

About to start buying parts for a mid ranged build. Are there any unnecessary parts here, and can anything be downgraded or upgraded for better effect? And no, I'm not actually buying winblows, I just put it there to finish the list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3j8KzY

>> No.70990507

>>70990417
It's the same die and after you've removed the powerlimits performs virtually identical. At that point it's a difference in silicon quality so you may as well buy the cheaper one or buy a card that performs better at stock.

>> No.70990530
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70990530

>>70990443
>Intel

>> No.70990542
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>>70990530
>he's an amdcel

>> No.70990544

>>70990443
>shitel

>> No.70990556

>>70990443
>8700k
Why? That shit is basically a 8600k now, you can thank Intel for that.

>> No.70990564

Can my r5 2600 and 1070 handle 1440p gaymen?

>> No.70990567

If I put a 4-prong outlet into an 8-prong hole, would it work?

>> No.70990569

>>70990443
9700k

remember, intel is already recommending you don't use hyper threading, the 9700k doesn't have hyper threading and has 2 extra REAL cores instead.

It was already better than the 8700k with hyper threading, now that intel wants you to disable hyper threading, the 9700k is the CLEAR choice.

>> No.70990575

>>70990030

>2080 is shit
>Now I'll just buy a hotter, louder 2080 for the same price that gets worse performance in most games

inb4 muh non-gaming applications
also inb4 muh WWZ or other single cherry picked benchmark.

>> No.70990578

>>70988537
you realize the link at the bottom of the OP is dead, right?

>> No.70990579

>>70990443
Some truly terrible ideas in there like a castrated chipset for a K-series CPU. I made it a bit better, also don't bother with 1TB hard drives. Get 3TB or more.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZxGpG

>> No.70990580

>>70990564
You're mostly GPU bound here

>> No.70990594

Graphics card needs two 8prong shits to connect to my motherboard, I only have 1
Any way I can solve this without buying a new cable?

>> No.70990611

>>70990594
Need molec adapter or new power supply

>> No.70990619

>>70990594
how about you use the proper fucking words to describe what you're talking about.

Everything on your motherboard is fucking labeled, it's not an "8 prong shits", most LIKELY you're talking about an 8-pin EPS 12v, but who the fuck knows if you wont actually post specifications or accurately describe it.

>> No.70990621

>>70990159
>buying meme fucking trash
deserved retard

>> No.70990626

>>70990443
>mid ranged build
>$2100 USD
JUST

>> No.70990628

>>70990594
new power supply (the cables aren't supposed to go to the motherboard from the gpu though?)

>> No.70990629

>>70989820
>b450m mortar

I thought MSI discontinued that line? When I was ready to pull the trigger on that motherboard I didn't see it in stock anywhere at all.

>> No.70990640

>>70990626
I mean, it's not wrong. exactly

It's on the higher end of mid-range, but it's not super high end or anything like that either.

>> No.70990656

>>70988537
>BE AWARE that Microsoft, Apple, and others recommend disabling hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with HT.
Can someone dumb it down for me? Im sorry, im not tech-savy.
Also, how viable is using tv as monitor? Ive been using 19 inch 720p samsung ever since i got rid of crt a long time ago and im thinking about replacing it with 30 inch tv that I dont use. I play LoL and gta v, will latency ruin it?

>> No.70990660

>>70988537
Why recommend the 1070ti, V56 and 2070 but not the 2060? Why Radeon VII but not the more powerful 2080?

>> No.70990663
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I'll repost..

WTF both my WD 2tb drives aren't showing up anywhere not even on bios
Tried unplugging sata and power, changing cables , changing sata port etc.

What are the odds they both failed at the exact same time? They were 100% healthy when i left a week ago (I left the pc unplugged also)

What could it be?

>> No.70990668

>>70990580
Yeah but will it game?

>> No.70990680

>>70989222
>If you want to gaem and do other multithreaded stuff then 9900k
9900k has the same threads as 9700k now.

>>70989324
>Intel and Samsung are the only options
imagine being this dumb

>>70989820
>MX-4
lmao?

>>70990564
GPU will be a bit weak for it, so not maxed out in everything.

>>70990443
>About to start buying parts for a mid ranged build. Are there any unnecessary parts here, and can anything be downgraded or upgraded for better effect? And no, I'm not actually buying winblows, I just put it there to finish the list.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3j8KzY
It's incredible, how bad this is. Literally every single component choice is bad except the memory. You fucked up 12 out of 13 times.

>> No.70990712

>>70990663
Do you hear them spinning up and accessing data when you turn on the PC?

>> No.70990739

>>70990663
it clearly a mbo problem

>> No.70990753

>>70990712
>Do you hear them spinning up and accessing data when you turn on the PC?
no they are literally in a coma/dead from what i see
the only thing i can think of is a power issue but then again the saem cable powers the SSD which is working flawlessly

>>70990739
>it clearly a mbo problem

excuse me?

>> No.70990766

>>70990656
GTA driving and mouse aiming will feel more sluggish on a TV panel.

Also the OP just means Intel's hyper threading has security issues and it's recommended you disable it if you're concerned about your security. Intel tried to bribe researchers into not revealing this security issue so that intel could sell off remaining CPU inventory without the public knowing about the security flaws present in those CPUs at a hardware level.

>> No.70990777

>>70990579
thank you anon
>>70990680
>You fucked up 12 out of 13 times.
yes, am dumb

>> No.70990785

>>70990680
>9900k has the same threads as 9700k now.
For your average home user, meh not really.

These are side-channel attacks, generally meaning you need physical access to the system in question.

You shouldn't be concerned about some random yahoo being able to suddenly access your computer from anywhere in the world just because you have hyper threading enabled.

>> No.70990789

>>70990777
at least you admit to being dumb now buy amd

>> No.70990792

>>70990656
Hyperthreading is a feature on Core i7 processors and leaving it enabled leaves you open to an exploit that could steal your personal data. There's an update to fix it but it reduces processor performance as a result.

Also most TVs are for watching movies/show, not playing games. Playing fast paced esports games on TVs suffer due to input lag and big resolutions making UI elements look small.

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>>70990789
>now buy amd

>> No.70990797

>>70990789
no, amd is gaymd

>> No.70990804

>>70990785
>These are side-channel attacks, generally meaning you need physical access to the system in question.
No they don't.
You're making shit up. I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest as you're clearly just trying to gaslight.

>> No.70990815

>>70990663
this is how I fixed a hard drive not showing up for me years ago (im not kidding)
Open the Start Menu and type in mdsched.exe, then press enter. Say Yes to Restart your PC to test RAM.
For some reason, when you do this, it forced windows to re-reccognize all your hardware and any drives that weren't showing up, will now show up when the test is done.
After the test, go To Run > Disk Management and then the drives should show up as Unallocated Space, when you can Right click them and "New Volume".

It is literally a Windows bug.

>> No.70990825

>>70990766
>>70990792
>GTA driving and mouse aiming will feel more sluggish on a TV panel.
> Playing fast paced esports games on TVs suffer due to input lag and big resolutions making UI elements look small.
will it be similar to playing gta v and pes on ps3 or worse?
ill upgrade pc soon, if i stay away from i7 and get i5 i dont have to bother about security issues?

>> No.70990848

>>70990825
i7 and i5 don't even come with hyper threading anymore so you don't need to worry. If you want your pc purley for gaming it would be dumb not to go with intel.

>> No.70990873

AMDrones out in full force today.

>> No.70990879

>>70990825
It just won't feel as responsive on a TV compared to a monitor. Especially if you play at high framerates.

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>>70989449
>mfw intel is unironically dying

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>>70990804
lmao, imagine being a brainlet.


Show me a SINGLE exploit that has been shown to be used on a computer over the internet (hint, there isn't one)

https://mdsattacks.com/


This is about someone getting access to a virtual server and being able to read data from OTHER virtual servers running on the same hardware despite supposedly running in their own encrypted user-space.

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>>70989449
>mfw i went with AMD Ryzen™

>> No.70990925

>>70990884
so just like with spectre and meltdown, your average home user has no reason to care.
Sick

>> No.70990931

>>70990575
>>Now I'll just buy a hotter, louder 2080 for the same price that gets worse performance in most games
Meanwhile Nvidia keeps picking the 3 games that their card actually supports to show off the performance advantage of a 2080.

>> No.70990940

>>70990884
Thanks for confirming what I said.
You're either too stupid to understand what that paragraph says, or you know what it says and you're knowingly lying to people you hope are too stupid to understand it. That says nothing about having to have physical access. It says the opposite, that you can run it through fucking javascript.

>> No.70990942

>>70990931
>all this AMDrone cope
AMD GPUs aren't worth shit, except maybe space heating
Still getting Zen 2 though

>> No.70990946

>>70990629
why would they discountinue it?
it's barely more than a year old and it's their best matx board

>> No.70990947

>>70990940
If you're running some random ass java applet you found online you're already a fucking moron and deserve whatever you get.

>> No.70990956

>>70990940
That doesn't confirm what you said anon, if you're allowing someone else to execute code on your machine, you've already lost the battle.

>> No.70990962

>BE AWARE that Microsoft, Apple, and others recommend disabling hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with HT.
Gotta love the fear mongering. "Oh noes! Muh data is getting stolen XDD Shouldn't have downloaded that sketchy program or visited that one malware site without any blockers."
Maybe for people who actually use their PC for work or have financial data on it I can understand it, but there's 0 reason to disable HT on your persona computer that you use for browsing/desktop use/games and nothing else.

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>>70990815
>this is how I fixed a hard drive not showing up for me years ago (im not kidding)
wow, that worked somehow
Thank you very much

They actually show up in disk management and explorer fine, not unallocated, too

>> No.70990975

>>70990962
Pretty much, it sucks for the industry that has invested heavily in intel infrastructure for hosting, but for the home users? You could disable every single patch, sepctre, meltdown, MDS, wouldn't do a god damn thing since NONE of these attacks target individual home users.

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>>70990967
windows is just shit anon. im glad it worked.

>> No.70990984

>>70990159
it's me
i've cleaned up the glass

what m-atx case should i buy?

>> No.70990991

>MDS / Zombieload Mitigations Come At A Real Cost, Even If Keeping Hyper Threading On

https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MDS-Zombieload-Initial-Impact

>> No.70991040

>>70990991
lmao EVERYTHING is slower. Some like over 20%. And that's while still vulnerable with HT enabled.

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>>70990940
>you can run it through fucking javascript

>> No.70991067

What's the longest video card so far? I'm shopping for a small micro atx case.

>> No.70991071

>>70991053
>he doesn't block java script from running by default

lmao, what a fucking cuck, what is it 2009?

>> No.70991072

>>70990962
COPE
O
P
E

>> No.70991075

>>70991067
>wasting money on meme builds

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>>70990991
>>70991040

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>>70990984
pic related

>> No.70991101

>>70991092
what meme trash case is this

>> No.70991121

>>70988537
I can't believe the most difficult part about building my first pc is deciding which case I should fucking get. Argh this is driving me crazy.

>> No.70991136

>>70991121
>logicalincrements case
>or meme case $150
take your pick

>> No.70991138

>>70991121
don't fall for the tempered glass meme. it increases GPU temperatures which results in lower boost clock speeds. not to mention that it's a fingerprint/dust magnet.

>> No.70991190

>>70990825
Only 7th generation and older are hit by this ht exploit. Don't buy AMD if you want consistently high fps in games.

>> No.70991236

>>70991190
Lol incels going full force with the gaslighting lies this thread.
Funny, they were quiet the first day. I guess they were comparing notes and deciding on a strategy.

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>>70991236
>stating relevant facts is now gaslighting

>> No.70991271

>>70991101
>what meme trash case is this
i don't even know, but it looks pretty and i remember it being cheap

>> No.70991295

>>70991236
well 9th gen i7 doesn't have hyper threading at all... so it's not wrong.

>> No.70991299

Any suggestions for a high quality 1080p IPS panel, somewhere in the 23''-27'' range?
I want as little ghosting as possible, I have gone through quite a few IPS displays that looked fine but had ghosting issues

>> No.70991306

>>70990825
only i9 has hyper threading now, so any 9th or 10th gen i7 should still be fine.

>> No.70991308

>>70991295
He didn't say i7.
And 8th and 9th gen without hyperthreading are still affected.

>> No.70991330

>>70991236
>everyone who disagrees with me is an incel

>> No.70991331

>>70991299
There are no 1080p 24" IPS panels because no one will pay IPS prices for that size. If you want something better than a 1080p 24" TN panel just get a 27" 1440p IPS panel.

>> No.70991354

>>70991256
You're a lying retarded faggot shill

8th and 9th gen are affected

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/corporate-information/SA00233-microcode-update-guidance_05132019.pdf

>> No.70991358

>>70991308
Yeah I know, and it still will NEVER effect a home user and I have no reason to care about any sort of patches.

Just like with meltdown and spectre, I'll let you retards freak out and continue getting better performance than you.

Enjoy the fear mongering, but in reality, there is no difference for me.

Maybe if you run a VM hosting service you're pretty pissed, but for your gaming machine at home? Who gives a fuck.

>> No.70991360

>>70990946
where did you buy it? haven't seen that or the titanium in stock anywhere (murrican)

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>>70988914

>> No.70991374

>>70990443
>mid-range build
>$379 CPU
>$480 GPU
>$650 Monitor
Nigga you dumb

>> No.70991375

>>70991354
He was pretty obviously talking about the 9700k i7 not having hyper threading, and thus isn't AS effected as the CPUs WITH hyper threading.

He should've been more specific, but in context it's not exactly hard to understand what he meant to say.

>> No.70991376

>>70991358
>who cares about security
Cope.

>> No.70991396

Intel is the nigger of CPUs, running fast at the cost of being filled with AIDS.

>> No.70991399

>>70991376
found the pedo

>> No.70991410

>>70991299
>>HP 22cwa
Not 24' but has IPS and is cheap af.

>> No.70991414

>>70991331
I'm fine with 27'' as well but 1440p would screw over my performance in games so i'd like to stick with 1080p if possible

>> No.70991415

>>70991376
lmao, are you hosting VMs for customers on your home computer with sensitive financial, technical/engineering, or intellectual property?

If no, then why the fuck are you PRETENDING to care?

>THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!

Sorry, but it's pure fear mongering, this has nothing to do with security for the average home user since these types of attacks would have NO reason to target a specific individual.

The MAIN concern is with VM users on large hosted platforms that can leak sensitive information to 3rd parties. If you can figure out where your specific target is hosting, you can potentially target them specifically and attempt to leak information that specifically pertains to THAT company, but it's far from an effective attack vector for a home user that isn't going to have ANY sort of useful information for you to get.


At the end of the day, this has ZERO bearing for the average person, there is no more security risk than before for them.

>> No.70991424

>>70991414
What gpu?

>> No.70991427
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I'm thinking of building a new computer and I'm not too well informed in terms of cooling.
I'm thinking that if I build a new PC to replace my old teenage years one I might as well spoil myself with some of the nicer shit, so naturally I'm looking at the best processors the market has to offer without selling my kidney.
That being said, how much do I need to invest in cooling something like, say, an i9? (not that i'd necessarily get an i9, just something that runs as hot as that for the sake of the discussion)
I don't THINK I'll do an awful lot of overclocking but I WOULD like my PC to be able to handle it if I so desired.
Is water-cooling a meme or is it noticeably better? generally speaking when looking at a fan what do I need to check to make sure it can handle what I throw at it?
If it at all matters it gets pretty hot where I live, easily above 30C in summer.

I'm also that I might as well aim for relatively low temperatures, I know it would technically 'work' but I can't say I want my CPU to go above 80C when under load

pic unrelated

>> No.70991432

>>70991415
>coping intensifies

>> No.70991434

>>70991396
When 90% of the people here are just web browsing, watching anime, movies, and TV, or playing video games... it literally doesn't matter for them.

Security IS important in CPUs, but you're out of your mind if you think your shitposting box needs to be secure to that extent.

>> No.70991440

>>70991432
Lmao, imagine being SO cucked by AMD that you have to make up reasons to hate intel further.

Kek, living rent free in your mind for years is comfy af desu.

>> No.70991447

>>70991375
It's not a matter of being not specific enough.
He was saying they are unaffected without hyperthreading, and that 8th and 9th gen are unaffected.
Both are lies.
Why are you covering for his blatant lying and trolling?
>>70991415
>the same reddit spacing faggot from before spreading misinformation and gaslighting

>>70991414
1440p on medium-high settings tends to perform similar to 1080p maxed. Consider that instead.

>>70991427
>That being said, how much do I need to invest in cooling something like, say, an i9?
Same as a 9700k since it was downgraded to a 9700k.

>>70991434
A good deal of people have crypto wallets on their shitposting box. They also don't want their accounts stolen.

>> No.70991462

>>70991440
I have no reason to hate them, everyone on the planet is buying more Zen than Intel garbage anyway, and with Zen2 they're pretty much buried.

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>>70991414
>I'm fine with 27'' as well but 1440p would screw over my performance in games
imagine gaming @ 1080p on a tiny 24" monitor in the literal current year

>> No.70991469

>>70991447
>A good deal of people have crypto wallets on their shitposting box. They also don't want their accounts stolen.
lmao, a good deal of people? That "good deal of people" would be MAYBE a few dozen thousand people world wide, that's a TINY minority of computer users.

FURTHER, you'd still have to be fucking retarded enough to run some random unknown code on your machine, and if you're doing that on the machine that has your crypto wallet, you're a fucking retard and deserve to be robbed.

>> No.70991472

>>70991427
A large scythe, noctua, or bequiet! cooler will do just fine. If you want a smaller case you're probably better off with a 240 mm AIO. They don't leak, I've used them for over 7 years now.

>> No.70991475

>>70991361
God, I wonder if she's aware of people fantasizing fucking her.

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>>70991469
okay rajeesh

I guess intel is run by mongs since they had to cripple their line so much for such a innocuous risk

>> No.70991513

>>70991447
for fuck's sake nigger I'm asking about cooling I didn't ask for the 8 millionth "hurr durr it's a 9700K now" post in this board
pretend I said threadripper instead.
>>70991472
What would you consider "large"? like one of those fans that have heat pipes?
a quick look online and it looks like 9cm seems to be the bigger size, is that what I'm aiming for?
Would you also say watercooling is more of a limited space option?

>> No.70991523

>>70991486
It's NOT an innocuous risk for their primary users, IE, data centers and large hosting platforms.

For the average person on /g/ though? Come the fuck on, stop lying and pretending everyone here is dealing with multi-million dollar IP, or similar.

MOST people just need a fast computer for gaming and occasional encoding or similar slightly more professional tasks.


Again, if I'm a hosting platform running mainly intel hardware, I'm PISSED, and I am taking a HUGE performance (or security) hit from this issue.

BUT AGAIN, for a home user? You're out of your mind if you think it's a big deal.

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>>70991513
>a quick look online and it looks like 9cm seems to be the bigger size
oh fuck, I'm retarded, there's 10mm in a cm, so it's actually one of the smaller ones.
So do I just go for bigger?

>> No.70991550

>>70991523
>reddit spacing

>> No.70991560

>>70991550
yes, and as I've said in this thread, literally dozens of times over the last 5 or 6 years, i've been "reddit" spacing ON 4chan since before reddit existed as a website.

Get over it.

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>>70991513
>pretend I said threadripper instead.
2950X uses less power than the 9900k despite having twice as many cores, though.

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>>70991561
we get it, you're a shill. You can stop now.

>> No.70991583

all this spectre/meltdown/vulnerability stuff is just jews trying to scare consumers into upgrading. it's y2k all over again, better upgrade your computer or toaster before the cpu gains control.

>> No.70991597

>>70991560
suuuuuuuure reddit fag

>> No.70991601
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>>70991561
I hope you're at least getting paid for this, and not just physically incapable of not bringing up drama to an unrelated discussion.

>> No.70991606

>>70991121
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/feels-like-i'm-wearing-nothing-at-all-nothing-at-all-nothing-at-all/32986675726.html

>> No.70991639

>>70990564
Yep, this is what I use. Certain modern titles you will be looking at 50 fps or lower, so you just need to turn down a few meme settings. Res2 runs max at 60fps for example.

>> No.70991663

how 2 determine if cpu will bottleneck gpu

>> No.70991666

>>70991597
imagine getting BTFO so hard your only viable comeback is to bring up the reddit formatting.
Wow, you sure showed him.

>> No.70991674

>>70991606
Anon, give me this shit tomorrow when I'm hungover and actually need to throw up to feel better.

>> No.70991677

>>70991666
both of you go back to jacking each other off in your reddit circle jerk

>> No.70991695

Ok so this is kind of an abstract question but I'm not sure what I want to do here and I need some general advice:

I currently have two monitors on a dual monitor mount - one 25" Dell Ultrasharp (1440) and a cheap 24" Acer that I use to play PS4 and as a second monitor for my PC, but its kinda shitty.

I want to upgrade them, but I'm not sure what to upgrade to. For my main monitor I would like to play more than 60hz on PC but also I need an IPS with good color management because I do design and video editing so the Ultrasharp was the best for that in my budget, but I sacrifice more frames when gaming. For the other monitor getting something with HDR would be nice for my PS4 but also if I got something with 144hz I could use it for gaming but I'd have to have my neck turned constantly because it's not the main monitor. There's also the issue of the PS4 only supporting 1080 or 4K, so my secondary monitor can't be 1440. also my main monitor is only 25", so it would look weird if my secondary monitor was larger than my main one at 27".

I don't really know where this question is going, but does anyone have tips on having a good work / gaming balance for monitors? Idk what to do.

>> No.70991724

>>70991695
>I'd have to have my neck turned constantly because it's not the main monitor

Get a chair that swivels.

>> No.70991777

>>70991550
>conveniently sidesteps the argument to latch on to a disproven meme
sasuga

>> No.70991793

>>70991677
>still ignoring the argument because muh "reddit spacing"
Tens of screencaps from over a decade ago disprove your retarded meme, and you still haven't formed an argument. Pathetic.

>> No.70991808

>>70991674
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/tell-me-I'm-pretty-anon/32894228603.html

>> No.70991828
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>>70988537
Posting one more time before I start buying all the parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FQKBXP
This will be my first time building anything on my own, is there anything else I need to get that I might be missing? Also, between these two cards, which is better and why?

>> No.70991838

>>70991828
obviously the red dragon one what the fuck
The MSI one is a blower card.
Your build is fine. There's nothing I'd really change.

>> No.70991844

>>70991828
powercolor. Don't buy blower chips (unless you want your PC to sound like a get engine, of course. Then go for it.)
Sapphire pulse also gud

>> No.70991857

>>70991838
>>70991844
That's why I asked why, I wanted to understand the issues so I don't have to ask next time
Thanks guys, hopefully I don't have to phone post anymore after this

>> No.70991859

>>70991828
Power color one sucks a bit less than the blower card. Your cooler choice sucks and the case will roast the shit out of your components. I'd change those things.

>> No.70991860

>>70991513
>>70991546
Anything with a 140 mm fan is large. Double check the clearance your pc case has listed. If you want something slim or worried about ram clearance do to the giant heatsinks they use now, maybe fork over a little extra for a 240 mm aio.

>> No.70991870

>>70991844
>>70991838
what is "blower card"

>> No.70991872

>>70991695
To anyone asking for a new monitor, this is the only answer.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011278

>> No.70991874

>>70991828
>>70991857
Would mention that you should buy CPU and GPU from somewhere which gives the game codes if you want to bother selling them

>> No.70991886

>>70991859
I thought the x52 was decent, what are some other options? Also I actually got a bigger case just because I was concerned that the smaller one I was going to get before would be roasting everything inside, what other alternatives are there, just getting a full tower?

>> No.70991898
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>>70991870
card with blower fan

>> No.70991914

>>70991886
The case isn't too small, it simply doesn't allow enough air in. Fractal and Corsair have better cases at that price point. Inwin and Silverstone might be an option too.
The cooler choice sucks because water cooling is only worth it with a massive radiator and custom waterblocks etc. for siginificant overclocking. Get a big air cooler instead.

>> No.70991918

>>70991828
The Kraken is a fair bit more expensive than other brands. They all use the same pumps and radiators. The only real difference is the stock fans and rgb controllers.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#W=10240&sort=price&page=1

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>>70991870
Top is not a blower, bottom is a blower.

>> No.70991939

>>70991924
>>70991898
but how is the one that's not a blower not a blower

>> No.70991944

>>70991939
It doesn't use a blower fan.

>> No.70991947

>>70991914
>Get a big air cooler instead.
How big are we talking?

>> No.70991960

>>70991947
Scythe Ninja5 is a good one.
The fans on it aren't great, but you can replace them. It's a big ass heatsink that works well.

>> No.70991967

>>70991947
50$ big

>> No.70991971

>>70991939
It's not blowing the air through the card and out the back.

>> No.70991999

>>70991918
>>70991828
Personally I would get the absolute cheapest 240 AIO and buy 2 high SP fans separately.

>> No.70992004
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>>70991960
I'll be getting that then, I guess I'll have to add thermal paste to the cart as well
Is this case better for airflow or nah

>> No.70992012

>>70991724
It does swivel, but then I gotta move my mouse and keyboard every time which can be kinda annoying too. No real ergonomic way to do it

>>70991872
>IPS
>144hz

Wow, that actually looks really good for a really fair price. Gonna look into that. Thank you

>> No.70992045

>>70992004
coolers include paste

>> No.70992056

>>70992004
That case is a decent mix of quiet and airflow.
I'm really not a fan of cutout windows myself, but up to you.

>> No.70992103

>>70992012
Just remember for HDR content you need a cable that supports the higher bitrate. Make sure the cable is certified for a data rate of 17.6 Gbit/s or HBR3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Refresh_frequency_limits_for_HDR10_video
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Main_specifications

>> No.70992108

>>70991663
run intensive game and compare cpu+gpu usage. cpu is 100% but gpu is below that = cpu bottleneck, the opposite = gpu bottleneck. if they're identical then it's an ideal pairing.

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>>70992103
>yfw 8k 240hz HDR is over 270Gb/s of bandwidth

>> No.70992171

>>70992004
have that exact case, do recommend

>> No.70992292

Coolermaster MWE Gold or Corsair TXM Gold?

>> No.70992320

Well, I've gone and ordered everything
Except windows
Do I just buy a key off somewhere and call it a day?

>> No.70992372

>>70992292
fully modular vs semi modular, up to you

>> No.70992384

>>70992320
buy a cheap key from ebay or a kms redistributor

>> No.70992417

finally joined the 1440p 144hz club, but jesus christ I hate the fact that is curved what a dumb meme

>> No.70992455

>>70992417
You get over it really quick, I hardly even notice the curve at all now, and I have it sitting next to a flat panel.

>> No.70992661
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>bought Vega 56 after debating over it vs. RTX 2060 for weeks
>someone here told me if i kept debating over it i'd miss the $299 sale
>mfw it arrived today and now it's back up to $440+ at most retailers

feels good bros

>> No.70992777

>>70992661
>then navi comes out in a month and btfo what you bought for cheaper

>> No.70992804

>>70992777
>in a month
haha right

>> No.70992851

>>70992777
>Anon fell on his sword to get AMD to drop the next generation and drive down the current generation of cards
Extremely based desu.

>> No.70992890

How much would you goys be willing to pay for two of these monitors on a gas sprung arm unit?

https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/accessories/pc-monitors/1404147/aoc-q2778vqe-review

One has a single dead pixel but apart from that both are in about as new condition, I was thinking of posting at around £200 and haggling with the buyer from there?

I'm on that back to basics bullshit train, sold my main computer and now want rid of the monitors since I never use them now

>> No.70992931

>>70988537
want a new gaming pc soon-ish, what should I do get intel i5 9400f or wait for ryzen 3000's?

9400f seems pretty good value

(will go with a 1660)

>> No.70992965

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mLTBXP
Thoughts for a first time build? Note: case isn't displayed because I'm just gonna buy a cheap $20 one off of a Newegg sale.

>> No.70993159

I need some 144Hz monitor recommendations please.
I've tried looking into https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011278 as I've seen it recommended here often but I can't find it anywhere in my shit third world country and import taxes would make it way too expensive

>> No.70993200

>>70991663
>how 2 determine if cpu will bottleneck gpu
With much dick!!
There is a pc bottleneck website. Google ot

>> No.70993220

Hey /g/ I was looking to buy a premade from Cyberpower or maybe somewhere else and I was wondering when would be the best time to purchase a rig. Specifically what season/holiday event. This laptop has lasted me 7 years and i'd like to get something VR ready and top tier since I play on holding onto this newer rig for about 7 to 9 years after.

>> No.70993279
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70993279

why are intel boards better quality than amd’s boards? especially at smaller form factors. i literally see amdrones shilling the same 3 boards.

>> No.70993320

Should I get a X470 or a B450 mobo for my 2700X? I don't plan on overclocking it.

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>>70993279
such a low effort shilling. Define better quality.
Flagship motherboards are on par, up to including using the same fucking components intel chipsets do. Trash tier are also equivalent, and there's a lot fo trash on the intel's side -- even more than on amd. Intel just has more variability, and thus, you need to research more, because motherboard partners are also jews and it's easier to fool intelturds.

>> No.70993425

>>70993320
i asked the same thing the other day and i was told B450. if you dont really care about price im sure the X470 isnt a bad option regardless.

>> No.70993437

>>70993279
and that's a good shilling technique to bring up by now. Since msi and asus look like they will introduce their ultra high end lines for the x570 chipset, the godlike and asus has been teasing a new rog above the crosshair. Gigabyte still unsuferable goyim sucking itnel's cock. They probably lag begind the other 2.

>> No.70993466

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102525

Thinking about getting this. Thoughts?

>> No.70993469

>>70993320
nah, go for the x470. It'll make your stock xfr work better die to better power delivery. Also, you will probably have a long life cycle for that, since you're not oc'ing and the components quality are better overall.

>> No.70993480

>>70990663
sorry m8
check your sata cables. once i had a problem where one hdd just wouldn't appear even on bios. after fucking around with everything i could think of, replacing the fucking sata cable actually did the trick, 1st and only time i've ever had a sata cable fail on me but who knows, give it a try

>> No.70993485

>>70989009
That's what I've been wondering. If it's such a problem that exists on so much hardware for nearly a decade now, why has it never shown up?

>> No.70993509

>>70993469
Higher end msi B450s are better than cheapo X470s like the gigabyte aurus and asus tuf shit.

>> No.70993519
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70993519

>>70989009
>>70993485
no one can be this stupid. c'mon now.

>> No.70993535

>>70993519
It's only a vulnerability if people have physical access to the system?

>> No.70993543

>>70993509
>tuf shit
that still hurts.
why the fuck did they abandon the one thing that mede the og TUF boards godtier and went for overheating pieces of plastic all over it?

>> No.70993556

>>70993535
>code runs in user space.

>> No.70993572

>>70993509
Which ones would you recommend?

>> No.70993586

>>70993401
>>70993437
>point out what everyone agrees with
>still a shill
name me one (1) good matx am4 board. there’s one good itx board and it’s $150+

now here’s when say just buy atx xD. why should I?

>> No.70993614

>>70990111
How the fuck is this even a legit comparison?
They give the 2070 and 2080 both 10/10 ratings, then say the 2080 is worse because of price?
Thats saying both are equal in performance but the 2080 is more expensive.

This is why I fucking hate modern computers. Shit for brains release out bullshit like that and then cock suckers believe it.

>> No.70993648

>>70993572
B450M Mortar or B450 Gaming Pro Carbon.

>> No.70993706

>>70993485
New hacking methods are being discovered for old hardware.

A university just recently (within the last year i believe) figured out how to hack a computer to use a physical harddrive as a microphone and listen to conversations.
Physical HDDs have been around a long time.

>> No.70993707

>>70993648
the mortar was discontinued

>> No.70993735

>>70993586
fuck off you lying piece of shit. You said overall, As if "implying" that the gaming 7 for the intel chipset would be better than the gaming 7 for the am4 chipset. they're the fucking same, apart from the chipset.

I brought up variability and I'm butthurt as fuck that they never had a premium matx. Which must've reminded that it this was a good strat to twist your first argument. i'll give you another, the ultra high-end also has no analogue for the amd chipsets -- gaming 9, extreme, godlike, or maximus -- all of them stopped at the 2nd highest tier. But still the overall quality is the fucking same because even if intel was quite literally every single motherboard maker on the planet they'd still wouldn't be bothered to change suppliers for the equivalent sku's. The quality is exactly the same, the components are exactly the same. The variability though.

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>>70992661
The problem is, there's no real good choices
>Ray tracing was such a flop--and nVidia knew it, that they came out with the 1660Ti
>Radeon vii was a flop, and AMD is still relying on RX 5 series sales
>GPU prices are still relatively jacked to where you're still paying $800 for a flagship card months after their release
Nvidia's price tiering is so fucked up that you're logically jumping from the 2060 to the 2080 as far as for their value leaders (lol)
>Can't even expect to find deals for 2060 cards since manufacturers slapped low-end coolers on mid-range cards

>> No.70993787

>>70993735
>especially at smaller form factors
there are two good x atx boards and the tomahawk, those are the most shilled.

the mortar is the only decent matx and the taichi and the b450i gayming plus are the two good mitx. intel may have as many good ones but they have decent ones. amd is literally sink or swim.

>> No.70993806

>>70993765
don't forget AMD releases a re-re-re-re-brand of a GPU yet again
They really want to copy intel huh.

>> No.70993814

>>70993648
Thanks

>> No.70993822

Asked in the last thread
Currently have an i5 4460, looking to get an i7 4790k, motherboard is Z97P-D3 so CPU selection is limited
Worth paying for? I really only need it for a few modern-ish games to help with stuttering and not fps gains.

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>>70993586
The thing I will never get about mATX is that you're giving up too much for the relative amount of space you're saving
>Usually a full PCIe lane
>An extra 2-4 Sata ports (for whatever reason)
>An extra m.2 slot
>Less phases, smaller heatsinks

>> No.70993843

>>70993706
Sounds goofy, and I imagine the audio quality must be shit.

>> No.70993867

Someone on craigslist selling a used i7 7700k, hes the second owner of it but says it’s been watercooled since he bought it.

What should I offer for it? Or should I not buy at all off a second owner since it probably has a lot of miles on it

>> No.70993871

>>70988627
Still here? Don't get anything without adaptive sync. Otherwise your requirements are pretty vague.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=11955_IPS~11955_VA~11992_Adaptive+Sync%2FAMD+FreeSync~14591_25601440~14702_144Hz&sort=t&hloc=de&v=e
Pick something from this list and then check prad and/or tftcentral reviews on it

>> No.70993921

>>70993834
atx cases are a nightmare to work with. really poor space efficiency. my matx board has two pci-e slots.

>> No.70994001

I'm thinking of picking up a rx 570 on the cheap for a project. Is there a particular brand I should go for/avoid? Is there a reason not to grab the single fan sapphire one if I've got the room for a larger one?

>> No.70994083

>>70993921
I'm not arguing about aspace efficiency, but the flipside is space efficient ATX cases can get pretty damn small.

In my opinion--go ITX, or just find and be comfortable with a a space efficient ATX case. Hell, even ITX cases are getting on the large size. I'm progressively turning my sights towards NUC and other mini-PC's for my portable server needs.

>> No.70994111

>>70993867
No more than $200 USD.

>> No.70994120

>>70994083
>two ram slots
>one pci-e
N-No thanks

>> No.70994342

Right now sitting on a z97-pro mobo, i5-4690k, and gtx 970. Been noticing frame drops when I play certain games and my cpu is consistently maxing at 100%. Is it worth to just upgrade my cpu to something like an i7-4790? Or should I think about upgrading my mobo and getting a newer gen cpu?

>> No.70994369
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>$700 R7 Gold Edition
>Sold games for $60
>Sold shirt for $50
>$590 R7 Gold Edition

>> No.70994444

>>70994369
>things that didn't happen

>> No.70994449

>>70988537
I like how you guys talk shit how normies spend cash on narcotics, booze and bitches, and then you go and spend cash on technology, cables, and fake vagenes.

>> No.70994459

>>70994444
>wasting quads on being a salty bitch
What a shame.

>> No.70994473

>>70994449
You can get a decade out of good pc build. You spend more on booze in 3 months.

>> No.70994487

>>70994449
That is correct, Anon.
4chan is one monolithic entity.

>> No.70994491

>>70994473
I have a pc from 2012, and I still run my fake vagene on ultra settings, senpai. I know what I'm talking about.

>> No.70994535

>>70994459
>salty that you bought a lawnmower
what did he mean by this

>> No.70994670

>>70990073
you call that programing socks?

>> No.70994743

>>70994535
>at least i have a lawnmower

>> No.70994883

Should I sell my PS4 and VR to buy a 1440p 144hz G-Sync meme screen? I

>> No.70994996

>>70994883
G-Sync is dead, adaptive sync is all you need now.

>> No.70995156

>Budget & currency
£1750 English Bongbucks (GBP)
>Use
I want to play FFXIV at 1440p max settings, I also play games in the anno series and would like to play on max, but mostly FF
>You have left over budget
I was thinking of buying a comfy chair, but thats not necessary, just me being silly

>> No.70995169
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70995169

>>70995156
Oh shit I forgot my build

>> No.70995208
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70995208

>>70990443
> 8700k
> Mid ranged

>> No.70995445
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70995445

After a full week of doing research as a complete pc-brainlet my build is finally perfect.

>> No.70995519

>>70991583
>all this spectre/meltdown/vulnerability stuff is just jews trying to scare consumers into upgrading
i'm gonna upgrade soon anyway, been 4 years. are there any vulnerability proof intel CPUs out?

>> No.70995561

>>70995445
A 1660 costs $10 more and is 20% better

>> No.70995577

>>70991583
All the Spectre/Meltdown stuff are basically NSA/CIA/Mossad backdoors that are only getting discovered now and AMDrones are capitalizing on every bit of negative PR.

All the giant corporations don't care as long as none of them gets publicly hacked.

>> No.70995623

>>70995169
I'm kinda new to this but are you sure 8gb RAM is enough?

>> No.70995837

>>70995561
Not where I live, unfortunately. I considered it, but they're about ~€35 more expensive here for a non-bottom-of-the-barrel one. I also wouldn't really need it anyway, I'm not about those present day AAA games.

>> No.70995956

>>70989099
Wait and see.

>> No.70996481

Making a gaming PC with a 4th generation Intel processor from 2015.
Should I pirate win 7 or win 10?

>> No.70996486

>>70996481
W10 has WDDM 2.0+, so if you have a modern GPU and want to play modern games, W10.

>> No.70996736

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/sys/d/norwell-custom-gaming-pc-setup/6891309278.html

What do you guys think of this build.

>> No.70996804

>>70996736
lmao 2200G is shit-tier APU
GTX 1060 is shit-tier GPU

If there is a dedicated GPU, he should've gone with the R5-1600 or something similar. No reason to get an APU with an iGPU when you've already bought a dGPU to run your games on that is more powerful.


tldr; you could probably build one better.


HOWEVER, because of the price and if it includes all those accessories, like the 144hz monitor, then it is certainly worth the price in total.

Just kinda a shitty build for that performance level.

>> No.70996841

>>70988537
Sirs, why is the 1660 Ti being recommended? Spending just 20 more lardassniggerdollars can get you a Vega 56 with vastly better performance. Good on you for not recommending the 2060 like every other (((website))) in existence, though.

>> No.70996856

>>70995208
indeed. a 6C/6T cpu is what AMD calls bargain bin entry level, since their soon to be entry level stuff will be 6c/12t at the least.

I commed you for doing the needful and bring this subject to our attention.

>> No.70996869

>>70996856
inb4
>buh it's not 6T

it is now ;)

>> No.70996870
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70996870

>He bought 2060/2070

>> No.70996899

just spent 900 bucks on an AMD rig bros

fuck waiting

>> No.70996910

>>70996899
You are impatient, sir. Just should have wait Q1 2020 for Radeon Navi series, I promise it good.

>> No.70996918

>>70996804
Yeah, the peripherals really drew me in, but I’m sketched out by the rest. I think I’ll pass on this one.
Thank you.

>> No.70996942

can anyone link me a good looking silver or white hard sli bridge?
I have white graphics cards and im going for a white/silver/black deal.

>> No.70997128

>>70996870
>Now sfm's can have ray tracing!

>> No.70997208

>>70997128
But seriously though, some people should not be allowed to own computers.

>> No.70997464

>>70996942
Sli's gay

>> No.70997494
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>>70997208
Would you rather computers actually be used, but for degeneracy, or turned into scrap.

>> No.70997514

>>70997494
Used by only people who know what they are doing

>> No.70997565

>>70988537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuFj1bkW6t8

Why does this build come off as super fucking cringey?

>> No.70997573

>>70991121

Can relate. Been watching GamersNexus for a fucking month now.

>> No.70997613

>>70996899
NOOO THINK OF THE POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE YOUR MISSING

>> No.70997740

>>70997464
You're GAY. Don't be mean on the internet.

>> No.70997766

Which is better the MSI MPG Z390 GAMING EDGE AC or the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero?

>> No.70997827
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70997827

What does /g/ think

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xZdbbX

>> No.70997859

>>70996870
I think I should buy 2080ti for my 4k!

>> No.70997878

I need a GPU upgrade from my 970. I only plat at 1080p and I only want a reliable 60 fps at the best price:performance, mainly to play Yakuza Kiwami 2 and maybe Witcher 3.
I've noticed that used 980 Ti's and 1070's are about $180-200 at the moment, but is there anything else I should be looking at, like the 1660 Ti or Vega?

>> No.70998566

>>70997878
Used 1070 for sure, don't get the 980 Ti. If you're looking for something new and better performing, then the Vega 56 is literally the best card you could buy.

>> No.70998622

>>70997827
Assrock mobos are for budget poor folk, get a better one like the MSI B450 Tomahawk or Pro Carbon. You could add some cheap HDDs for storage if you need to, or another SSD. That keyboard is a shitty membrane one; you're paying $45 too much. The RGB also make you look like a homosexual that enjoys taking big fat cocks up the ass. Either go for that $5 keyboard or get a mechanical keyboard. Might want to get an actual CPU cooler instead of sticking to your stock one.

>> No.70998680

>all the parts for my PC came in today and yeserday
>except for one which i have to wait until monday to get here

fuck, i should have just paid for faster shipping. now i gotta wait the whole weekend.

>> No.70998685

>>70997878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxL27pmYpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bCt9592y-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2hYEJNDmB0

watch more videos

>> No.70998802

>>70998685
>Nvidia unboxed
>Greentwocents
>Jensens Nexus

>> No.70998820

>>70998802
Happy weekend to you too.

>> No.70998835

>all the parts for my build will arrive by Sunday
>EXCEPT for the case
Whoever told me to get a mini c up there I'll be cursing you til the day it arrives

>> No.70998899

>>70998835
FD almost always takes a day longer to get cases to you because they ship from their own distribution centers. It's worth the wait. My mini c is awesome and dead fucking quiet.

>> No.70999009

>q300l arrives
>take it out of the box
>one the screens that goes on the outside of the case was folded in half when it was packaged and now has a permanent giant crease through the middle

what do

>> No.70999148

How are Silicon Power NVMes? Does anyone here own any Silicon Power drives?

>> No.70999217

NEW THREAD
>>70999212
>>70999212
>>70999212

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